
Hawks pick Drew to be next coach.
The Hawks have decided to hire Larry Drew as their next head coach, people with knowledge of the decision said today.
Drew was Atlanta’s lead assistant for six years under Mike Woodson, who was let go last month. Drew and the team are working out the details of a contract this evening and the official announcement of his hiring is expected on Saturday.
Drew, 52, emerged from a group of finalists that also included Avery Johnson, Dwane Casey and Mark Jackson. Once Johnson agreed to coach the Nets early in the week, that left Atlanta’s ownership group and GM Rick Sund to choose from among the other three candidates.
This will be Drew’s first head-coaching job after he’s been an NBA assistant for the the last 14 seasons. He worked for the Lakers, Wizards, Pistons and Nets before joining Woodson’s staff for the 2004-05 season. Drew played 714 games over 10 NBA seasons from 1980-91.
“He’s very experienced, just being around the game,” Hawks guard Jamal Crawford said. “He’s very knowledgeable. I think he is prepared for a lot of different situations.”
When Sund decided not to retain Woodson, he said the team needed “another voice” after the team lost in the second round of the playoffs the last two years. The Hawks apparently decided Drew will have a leadership style distinct from Woodson while also having the advantage of established relationships with players and familiarity with the team’s issues.
“He knows the faults of our teams,” Crawford said. “It’s not like we are a bad team. Now we can continue to build; we don’t have to start over.”
Drew inherits a team that won 53 games next season and, among its core players, has all but Joe Johnson under contract for next season. But he will face some challenges as the Hawks look to break through after getting swept in the second round of the playoffs in consecutive years.
Drew is popular among players but now his role changes from sometimes-confidant to the person in charge of their playing time and involvement in the offense. He also will have to reprimand players for their mistakes while trying to maintain relationships and team chemistry.
“Everything is going to be a first for him,” Crawford said. “But I think it will be a little bit easier transition because he knows our team. He doesn’t have to come in and learn the different personalities, what makes people tick and how to motivate them.”
When the Hawks let Woodson go, among the concerns expressed by players and management was what they considered Woodson’s differing levels of accountability. They said Woodson didn’t rebuke certain players as often as he did others, leading to some resentment in the locker room.
The Hawks also want to move away from an isolation-heavy offensive approach that was influenced by guard Joe Johnson’s playing style. Johnson is eligible to become a free agent next month, and the Hawks still want to re-sign him.
A person with knowledge of Johnson’s plans said he’s still open to returning. But the person said the new coach would have to sell Johnson on relying more on his teammates in the offense and ensure him that locker-room chemistry would improve.
MC
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KevinM
June 11th, 2010
6:45 pm
A lot of guys predicted that here and I wouldn’t have believed it. That doesn’t seem right to me that the best choice available is already on the payroll.
I gotta admit it is consistent with the organization to not make any major changes. We saw that last year resigning Bibby, Marvin and Zaza.
Wow, I am surprised but I shouldn’t be.
N-Trigue
June 11th, 2010
6:45 pm
1st
Jody
June 11th, 2010
6:47 pm
Though I don’t quite understand this, congratulations to Mr. Drew.
My Man Woody
June 11th, 2010
6:48 pm
Worst possible hire, I will be shocked if he has the job in 2 years.
N-Trigue
June 11th, 2010
6:48 pm
Out of the three remaining I’m glad Drew was selected! He definately is an upgrade over Mike Woodson!
freshd
June 11th, 2010
6:49 pm
Enter your comments here
lewis
June 11th, 2010
6:50 pm
I can’t believe that was Sund’s decision.
We’re screwed.
Jim
June 11th, 2010
6:50 pm
Wow! I thought they were waiting on Doc. I hope Mr. Drew will use his bench.
lewis
June 11th, 2010
6:51 pm
on the other hand, hopefully we actually run an offense
Paul
June 11th, 2010
6:52 pm
Atlanta Hawks at there Best.
KevinM
June 11th, 2010
6:52 pm
Looks like Doc will get a chance in a couple of years if he is ready to return after leaving Boston. The luck of the Hawks is that he continues to coach. Oh well, coulda shoulda woulda….
The cheapest way to get this decision done. Congrats and good luck to Coach Drew. I hope his son stays in school for awhile though.
KevinM
June 11th, 2010
6:54 pm
Speaking of a bench, can we put Bibby and Marvin there to strengthen it?
lewis
June 11th, 2010
6:54 pm
larry drew and mo evans
congrats sund
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
June 11th, 2010
6:55 pm
Good luck. I hope he can become the next Phil Jax.
FYI Phil Jax was the asst to Doug Collins. And ya’ll know the rest.
Lets just cross our fingers that he isn’t anythhing like Woody’s sorry butt.
KevinM
June 11th, 2010
6:57 pm
Well, a lot of said anyone but Woody, so we get what we wished for…I guess the ASG read a bunch of the blogs over the past 3 years!
How much $$ did the ASG waste bringing in these other guys when they knew they couldn’t make a huge decision to ignite this fan base?
freshd
June 11th, 2010
6:57 pm
I think it was a good choice, because they should have named him the head coach when Billy Knight wanted to fire WOODY. I hope he brings that uptempo style of play like the KINGS and LAKERS of the west coast. It was DREW who always coached the HAWKS summer league teams, and I hope Randolph Morris resigns with the hawks because I believe Drew will give him a chance to play.
Clint
June 11th, 2010
6:58 pm
Should have just kept Woody. Isn’t the point of changing coaches to get a better one? Terrible hire. God why can’t the Hawks get a good owner?
lewis
June 11th, 2010
6:59 pm
i know nothing about larry drew
really thought it was going to be casey
can anyone tell me something good about him?
N.D.T.K.A
June 11th, 2010
6:59 pm
Are you kidding? No words to describe the feeling! Simply speechless! Is this the twilight zone? I am still a Hawks fan but this seems crazy, hope Drew does a better job than Woody. Now that I think about it, how could he not do a better job than Woody?
The Truth
June 11th, 2010
7:00 pm
Considering the options, not bad, not bad at all. You can actually call this the safer option. Now we can finally move on.
KevinM
June 11th, 2010
7:01 pm
Lewis, Drew played for the Kings back in the day, the same team Woody spent the bulk of his years. Neither guy fits the mold in that neither had any championship game experience as a player.
Oh yeah, Drew has a PG for the future in place: his son at UNC, Drew II.
Bob Weiss
June 11th, 2010
7:02 pm
Of course it’s Larry Drew.
Way to go…again.
Same goal as the last 30 years: 2nd round of playoffs.
awc
June 11th, 2010
7:03 pm
Larry Drew was the supposed “offensive guru” under Mike Woodson and our offense consisted of 90% isolation plays. Can’t wait for next years mediocrity.
Bob Weiss
June 11th, 2010
7:04 pm
I should say I wasn’t a fan of Mark Jackson anyway, though.
Judging by his playoff announcing, he would try to sign Nate Robinson to a long-term deal and make him his common-law wife (or husband…depending).
JASon
June 11th, 2010
7:04 pm
This is the equivalent of John McCain choosing Sarah Palin as his running mate.
lewis
June 11th, 2010
7:05 pm
Next, we all wonder how ASG manages to hire Larry Drew and give JJ max.
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
June 11th, 2010
7:06 pm
According to Sekou Smith. Woody didn’t listen to Drew. So take that how u will. Ya’ll know how stubborn woody was.
RealSquawk
June 11th, 2010
7:06 pm
not mad at the decision. form what I heard through the reports here is that he has a very different philosophy and we won’t have to worry about a coach coming in and not knowing player personalities. Now the first thing he needs to do is to establish an authority system, which would have been easier with a high profiled coach, but as long as they are backing him he should be fine.
The Colonel
June 11th, 2010
7:06 pm
This guy was definitely not my top choice, but maybe this will turn into an Alvin Gentry-type situation.
LEA
June 11th, 2010
7:08 pm
I don’t like this at all, and there is nothing they can do to change my mind. They should have just kept Woody instead
JeJe
June 11th, 2010
7:08 pm
LET’S SEE SOME CHANGES
LET’S SEE TEAGUE GET MINUTES AND DEADWEIGHTS DUCK AND BIB GET BENCHED
jgsbrids
June 11th, 2010
7:09 pm
wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this is the best possible guy we could come up with? i hope i’m terribly wrong–but this is a joke! i will admit to saying “anyone but woody.” i sure hope i’m wrong! go hawks–this team better respond now!
Matt
June 11th, 2010
7:10 pm
ASG- “Putting the “EPIC” in Epic Fail since 2005″.
Now I can’t wait to see what kind of crappy coach the pick for the Thrashers. Wow, just WOW.
JMar
June 11th, 2010
7:10 pm
Way to make a splash, Atlanta Spirit. You signed the Mo Evans of potential coaches.
Athenzdawg
June 11th, 2010
7:10 pm
another year of crappy basketball here we come
freshd
June 11th, 2010
7:10 pm
Larry Drew also played and coached for the LAKERS and he was a 1st round draft pick as a point guard. I will take him over Rev. MARK JACKSON. I cant stand another hand down, man down comment, or mama there go that man.
John
June 11th, 2010
7:10 pm
Ok….they fire Woodson who did an ok job, then they bring in his assistant as a head coach?? That makes NO sence, slap in the face to Woodson. Geee you have Phil Jackson, Byran Scott, Jeff Van Gundy…terrible ownership decision…Just sayin!
DawgNDallas
June 11th, 2010
7:11 pm
Marion Campbell, anyone?
Over It
June 11th, 2010
7:11 pm
No disrespect to Mr. Drew, but do they really expect to “get to the next level” with a first time head coach? No they do not. This group obviously is satisfed with with just making the playoffs. Kinda like UGA. As long as they win 10 games and beat Tech they’re happy.
I’m OVER IT!
Stotts Era
June 11th, 2010
7:11 pm
anyone notice this came out on a Friday night so everyone will forget about it by Monday.
This franchise is a damn joke, Micheal Gearon is a joke, I’d rather just have steve belkin take over.
No offense to Larry Drew though, he used to come into my restaurant and get blitzed, pretty ok guy.
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
June 11th, 2010
7:12 pm
Woody did not do a GOOD job. He was awful. They wouldn’t hire Drew if he was more of the same.
Section 303
June 11th, 2010
7:14 pm
I like it. Glad this is over with.
Still do not understand the people on here who hate the hire already. You don’t know, yet, how this will work out. So, stop acting like you do. Because you don’t.
I am most interested to see how the offense looks. One thing Sekou said about Coach Drew is that his offense is way more sophisticated than Mike Woodson’s. Looking forward to seeing that.
kerpal
June 11th, 2010
7:14 pm
dang I wanted Avery but I wasn’t suprised with this choice. I hope Larry Drew does good job and be more assertive. Plus I hope he uses the bench more and improve teague and williams
Mike Woodson
June 11th, 2010
7:15 pm
Hey Larry, old buddy……Need an assistant coach? I’ll teach the switching D!
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
June 11th, 2010
7:15 pm
@ Section 303
EXACTLY. Woody did not listen to Drew.
O'Brien
June 11th, 2010
7:17 pm
Congrats to coach Drew. I hope he has a plan for with JJ, and without JJ. And I hope he doesn’t bring back ty hill and Bob Bender.
Would he hire woody to be his defensive assistant? J/k.
I hope rick sund will make some moves, because the team needs some tweaking.
Ironically, if BK and woody had allowed drew to leave when he wanted to, he probably Would not have been selected as HC.
No wonder they say everything happens for a reason.
TROTTINGHOME
June 11th, 2010
7:19 pm
Well…looks like Casey struck out…dang, another 3 years of heart ache.
NOTSO FAST
June 11th, 2010
7:20 pm
JUST PROVES THAT THE HAWKS NEED NEW OWNERSHIP. MONEY HAD TO BE THE DETERMINING FACTOR.
aubrey
June 11th, 2010
7:22 pm
If Drew is the new coach what changes. It seems that he has been part of the problem as a long time staff member. That being the case how can he be the solution. If he doesn’t have a strong enough personality to get Woody to change how can he control a roster of 12-15 professional athletes. This does not look like a good hire and definitely not the best of available choices, some of whom did not even get a look see. Was 53 wins a peak and do we see regression next year? Remember tho old Hawks, about 50 wins every year, early exit from playoffs, the blowing up the roster as players started getting older. How long till a repeat?
hawkville
June 11th, 2010
7:22 pm
Wow
Charlie
June 11th, 2010
7:23 pm
PATHETIC!! Apparently none of the other “interviewees” had the least desire to work under these owners who don’t know squat about basketball! They could have hired him months ago since they knew he was their guy from the beginning.
Feudfinder
June 11th, 2010
7:23 pm
congratulations Mr. Larry Drew! You really deserve a shot at coaching. I wish you best luck, and more importantly, I hope you prove these doubting Thomas’ wrong with your hard work. May the Lord almighty guide you through. Once again, congratulations! Keep it coming brother
Jerome
June 11th, 2010
7:24 pm
People, DON’T BUY TICKETS, let the ASG go to the games.
And 1
June 11th, 2010
7:29 pm
Congratulations Larry Drew !!!! You REALLY deserve this shot as HEAD COACH. We wish you the best of luck, and more importantly, WE hope you GET US TO THE NEXT LEVEL with your hard work AND your ability to WORK THEM HARD. Once again, congratulations! Keep it coming MY brother.
Feudfinder
June 11th, 2010
7:33 pm
Not to worry tickets will be sold. Tickets were sold when Terry Stotts was the coach.
hawks fan
June 11th, 2010
7:33 pm
As long as he can establish a half-court offense an the players respect an listen to him we should be good.
Mary Jackson
June 11th, 2010
7:34 pm
Are you serious…………already on payroll, Dominique Wilkins is already on payroll as well and Atlanta love Nique, will you guys ever give him a chance………after all he’s done for the Hawks………..No hawks games for me the upcoming season.
Michael
June 11th, 2010
7:35 pm
“Great” coaches have great players.
Robert
June 11th, 2010
7:36 pm
this was a bad decision but the Hawks do this alot.so we all should expect this by now.they will be lucky to win 50 games next year!!!Bad hire anyway you look at it.
Dr. Dave
June 11th, 2010
7:36 pm
Despite working with and for Woody, Larry Drew is his own man and will make his own decisions. Unlike Woody, he has the respect of the Hawks players. He will have to prove that he is different.
Hawks fan no more
June 11th, 2010
7:38 pm
This ownership group and gm are all jokes! I can no longer support a team that refuses to contend for a championship. Good bye Hawks! You’ve just lost a fan of 28yrs.
lexluther
June 11th, 2010
7:39 pm
The move might make sense if Drew decides to push his offense philosphy on the team and make the decisions Woody couldn’t or wouldn’t. Sit down with Josh Smith and tell him that he’s not going to stand for that childish disrespect he often showed to Woody. Make Marvin realize that he has the skills and potential to be a hellava small forward if he stop being so damn scared and play hard night in and night out. Force ASG and Sund to go get a true center and move Al to power forward. Give the team to Teague and insist that JOE and BIBBY guide the youngster like Garnett, Pierece and Ray Ray did Rondo. And by all means, run, run, run. Be the only Eastern Confrence Team that has a West Coast mentality and by the seasons end, have teams dreading to face the Atlanta Hawks. Dammit Man…do it.
BTW….I told Woody that if he didn’t play Teague and get that kid into the flow before the playoffs that he would be sleeping with the fishes. Can anyone say Tony Soprano…..forgetaboutit!!!!!
DHunt
June 11th, 2010
7:39 pm
Dang, give the man a chance. The last six years don’t say anything about his coaching style, because he wasn’t the one calling the plays or deciding substitutions and in-game strategy. Hell, Woody never got thrown out of a game for coaching too hard, so we didn’t even get to see a glimpse of this guy even nominally in charge.
As a matter of fact, the only thing we KNOW about Coach Drew is that he knows this team and the players. He has had the opportunity to evaluate them all in great detail. He was a stand out point guard (a lot of them seem to be having much success as coaches). And he must have said something to convince the GM and ownership that he was going in a different direction.
For all the early naysayers, I will give you this little bit of rope to play with. If the team stays substantially the same then Coach Drew doesn’t get more than one year to prove he’s an upgrade over Woodson. He can’t claim that he had to come in and start from the ground up. He can start getting his program in place right now, just got to move his stuff down the hall to the big office. IF the Hawks make a significant player personnel change, give him at least two years to let the pieces gel.
Some of you act like you expected Phil Jackson to show up to coach the Hawks. Calm down.
Go Hawks!
mountain_jim
June 11th, 2010
7:41 pm
I have an open mind about it myself. If we were not going to be able to get Doc, know one here knows for certain whether we could have done better or not. Congrats and good luck to you Drew!
I for one am just glad they had the sense to finally get rid of Woody, whose offense and lack of flexibility I was sick of.
i_am_soulstar
June 11th, 2010
7:42 pm
Holy crap. I guess I would’ve lost that bet. Congrats Drew!
mountain_jim
June 11th, 2010
7:43 pm
I hope he can work the refs better, like you see Doc doing the whole game.
Billy Knight
June 11th, 2010
7:44 pm
i tried to tell them
northcyde
June 11th, 2010
7:44 pm
@ Section 303
They hate it for the same reasons why people may hate our upcoming 1st round draft pick. If fans feel that there are better players than the one we picked, then they’re going to be mad.
Same with the coach.
Our coaching candidates were Avery, Casey, Drew, and Jackson. In other words . . . a coach who has been to the NBA Finals, 2 assistant coaches, and a TV commentator who used to be an ex-PG.
Meanwhile, you look up in Cleveland, and you see ex-championship or NBA Finals caliber coaches being mentioned for that job.
That’s why they’re mad. They feel we hired the least common denominator.
mountain_jim
June 11th, 2010
7:45 pm
No Billy you hired Woody, you were stuck with him.
Feudfinder
June 11th, 2010
7:46 pm
Just like empty barrels make most noise, you television viewers do the most complaining. You guys need to go to South Africa and watch the world’s most popular sport, SOOOOOOOOOCER.
geno
June 11th, 2010
7:46 pm
Hawks settle for Drew. Really, considering the afore mentioned candidates “Drew”s” not that bad a choice. Question is, why can’t the Hawks attract any high profile Coaching talent. Too cheap, I guess!!!
drmaryb
June 11th, 2010
7:48 pm
HoopsHype
For all you Avery Johnson LOVERS, goto hoopshype.com, scroll half-way down the page and read all the dirt on Avery! They didn’t call him little general for nothing! I knew there was something about him that I didn’t like, but wow! I didn’t know he was a narcissistic – sociopath too!
Thank God we dodged that bullet! If that is who yall wanted here? You have no RIGHT to complain about
Larry Drew!
And, for all the jack-azzes on here that said anybody is better than Woodson? STHU! You got your wish.
For all of us who supports whoever the coach is & blame the GM for at least not building a complete team:
1 to 5 & a stacked bench (the real culprit), let’s wait and see what happens before the complaining starts!
CLYDE
I dare you to say – one damned word! You got what YOU lobbied for to ad – nauseam-sp!!!!!
2 FOR JOHN DREW
June 11th, 2010
7:50 pm
I’D BE AWFULLY INTERESTED IN SEKOU SMITH’S INSIGHT ON THIS HIRE.
I WAS ALWAYS A HUGE JOHN DREW FAN ….. AND WHEN ANOTHER DREW SURFACED IN THE LEAGUE, I PAID ATTENTION TO HIS GAME ….. AND OMG, I WAS KINDA SURPRISED ….. HE HAD GAME ! LET’S HOPE HE HAS A ” COACHING ” GAME TOO. I’D ALSO LOVE TO SEE MARK PRICE ON HIS STAFF ….. HE HELPED RONDO !!!!!!!!
GO ATLANTA teams and DAWGS!!!
June 11th, 2010
7:51 pm
Let’s not jump the gun, I remember a team called the Falcons hired a coach 3 years ago named mike smith and everyone was saying this is bad and who is this, but now they look like genuises not saying Drew will be as successful but give the man time and then will see.
DunwoodyHeel
June 11th, 2010
7:52 pm
Drew’s teams ran, ran, ran during the summer leagues. I bet he starts Teague and puts in a “seven seconds or less” offense. That’s wear down the old Celtics, and that’s also the way to beat the Magic — get a good shot up while Dwight Howard still hasn’t crossed half court.
This does raise the question whether Johnson is gone. Running a “seven seconds or less” offense spreads the shots around evenly, and means no more “iso Joe.”
Harry Hawk
June 11th, 2010
7:53 pm
Well, if you don’t want to pay the coach much, this is a good move. The fact of the matter is that this roster has likely reached its ceiling. That isn’t attractive to most guys on the market. Add the “Joe Johnson is a goner” factor and, well, Larry Drew is the coach we get.
JeJe
June 11th, 2010
7:53 pm
FIRE DREW
tyger
June 11th, 2010
7:53 pm
Doesn’t bode well for Sund – Casey was his boy!
Feudfinder
June 11th, 2010
7:53 pm
DHUNT, I must admit that you have senses, and you use them very very very well. Keep it coming man!
cheese
June 11th, 2010
7:54 pm
not the sexy pick, but a safe pick of new head coach.
JeJe
June 11th, 2010
7:54 pm
JK
FIRE SUND
WE NEED MONEY TO GET FREE AGENTS. IF DREW WAS INDEED A PG, LET’S SEE IF HE BENCHES DEADWEIGHTS DUCK AND BIB
MrHughes
June 11th, 2010
7:55 pm
We’re screwed.. bye atlanta hawks basketball.
Halsey
June 11th, 2010
7:58 pm
This won’t be a popular hire with many fans because they want “an experienced head coach with experience and success in the playoffs!!”. That’s the cookie cutter reply that many fans give when a new coach is being searched for. Those fans think the same coaches should be recycled over and over, because if teams only hire guys that fit that description, there’d never be any new coaches hired…
Robert
June 11th, 2010
7:58 pm
Dhunt get a clue this is a bad hire.he will be no better than Terry Stots and some of the other bad choices over the years.
Big Baby Davis
June 11th, 2010
8:03 pm
The Hawks took the cheap route–is the Spririt Group that broke. I predict the Hawks wont win 42 games next season.
Ron Swanson
June 11th, 2010
8:04 pm
Dwayne Casey looked like a perfect fit! What happened?
Pete
June 11th, 2010
8:07 pm
Hawks are a freaking joke. Why would you hire the top assistant to the guy you just fired?
drmaryb
June 11th, 2010
8:08 pm
UFA
Tyson Chandler to opt out of contract for 2010 @ $12.6 Milly? mmmmhh…….
Who?
June 11th, 2010
8:09 pm
Are you serious? An assistant on that staff? More dumb decisions by the morons who run the hawks. I’m not renewing my season tickets.
heap o' cheap
June 11th, 2010
8:09 pm
Cheap way out, cheap way out, cheap way out, cheap way out, cheap way out, cheap way out !
Mitun
June 11th, 2010
8:12 pm
people! why are you guys judging that guy when the season hasn’t started?
Bangkapi Ajarn
June 11th, 2010
8:15 pm
My opinion of the Atlanta Spirit group is once again vindicated!!!
Any guess on how this will affect ticket sales? A spike upwards, no change, a spike downwards??
ballhawker
June 11th, 2010
8:20 pm
We are doomed, I knew they would hire the cheaper guy. Why fire Woody and keep his brains. This doesn’t pass the common sense test. I am definietly not re-newing my season tickets.
Chris
June 11th, 2010
8:22 pm
I don’t think any of the “final three” were worth REAL consideration. Only a LBJ or Wade-like signing could save this franchise.
I’d like to thank the Hawks for making my decision. I won’t be renewing my season tickets.
Byron Scott(lol)
June 11th, 2010
8:24 pm
Well, we know what happened to Avery Johnson but how come you guys didn’t give ME a call or even Jeff Van Gundy for that matter? I know the coaching pool is small this season. So congrats to Larry Drew anyway. There are some assistants in the NBA that, when given a chance, can thrive and excel. It’s just not the greatest group of available coaches out there. Even the Cavs had to go to college.
drmaryb
June 11th, 2010
8:24 pm
Les Miserables!
Some people are miserable – no matter what? They have no facts, stats or dirt on Drew, but, yet andstill complain?
They complain for the sake of complaining.
They whine for the sake of whining.
They cry for the sake of crying.
That’s what natural born haters do!
They hate for the sake of hating.
Some hate because he’s black
Some hate because they don’t know him
Some hate because they are haters
Ignore them, get your Scroll-On!
The glass is full now, let’s celebrate that and move on. We need to shift the focus back to the roster:
1. Re-sign our best player, Mr. Johnson
2. Draft the best big available @ #24
3. Give Teague the damned ball
Again, congratulations Mr. Drew, you have earned an opportunity of a lifetime, to be the HC of a NBA roster!
screw balls
June 11th, 2010
8:28 pm
The Hawks players are happy with this guy because they can run over him. The Hawks needed a new voice in the locker room and huddle. This move does absolutely nothing to change this.The Hawks are a undisciplined team and will regress this season under Drew’s leadership or lack there of.
vava74
June 11th, 2010
8:30 pm
First of all, congratulations are in order for Drew.
Best wishes. His eventual success will be OUR joy.
Let’s hope that it will materialize.
Second, it’s unfair to disqualify someone just because he was a member of a staff. He tried to go away a while ago to pursue his own career SEPARATELY FROM WOODY, but was not allowed to walk.
This tells us two things: he was seen as valuable and knowledgeable by Woody, but drew himself was already fed up with Woody’s lack of acceptance of his input and was not there “just for the pay check”.
Third, it was widely reported by Sekeu that Drew disagreed strongly of Woody’s work and did not get him to accept any of his input.
That alone proves – IMO – that he knew what most of us knew already: Woody’s Hawks were a house of cards.
Fourth, yes, it is a low profile choice and a choice which does not bring the fresh air which sometimes is necessary but:
Avery has not proven to be successful in the post season with two crash and burn situations and a bad rep as a guy who gets into everyone’s nerves.
Casey has been reported by Wolves’ bloggers cited by some one over here as a Woody mark 2.0.
Mark Jackson’s signing would certainly be a “sexy” move by the ASG but why is he deserving of more trust than a guy who has been in the league for 30 years as a player and assistant coach?
Finally, if this was not Sund’s choice, which seems pretty obvious, how does he fell now?
CONFEDERATE DAWG
June 11th, 2010
8:31 pm
THANK GOOD LORD WE DIDNT GET MARK JACKSON!
Ken Strickland
June 11th, 2010
8:38 pm
I’d like to know how many of you cry babies were part of the interview process, especially when Larry Drew interviewed. Can anyone give us a clue how well Mark Jackson acquitted himself in displaying his knowledge of the Hawks, and what it actually takes to be a HC, especially an NBA HC?
I think LDrew will be a better HC with JJ than Casey or Jackson would be without him. Larry Drew definitely gives the Hawks a better chance of resigning JJ and correcting what ailed the team under Woodson. His NBA experience as a quality PG that played good DEF, and used speed, quickness and penetrating ability to be successful, will certain help Teague.
And before some of you cry babies say anything, there’s no way he could have helped Teague all that much as an assistant if Woodson refused to play him and take advantage of what he learned. It’s amazing how some of you can be so jaded and out of touch with reality. Those who wanted Avery Johnson, or someone other than LDrew, conveniently forget that he was an assistant under Don Nelson, who, like Woodson, had lost the ear of his players.
Nelson was fired during the season and replaced by his top assistant, Avery Johnson. The subsequent results speak for itself. We have far too many KNOW IT ALL fans, who actually know very little. Rather than make an A$$ of myself by prejudging the man without knowing a damned thing about his situation, his interview, knowledge or ability, I’ll give him my support and see what he does, just like I did with Woodson.
CONGRADULATIONS HC LARRY DREW, AND GOOD LUCK!!!!!!
drmaryb
June 11th, 2010
8:38 pm
Season Tickets?
4 bloggers (whom we never heard of before), in a row not gonna renew their season tickets?
Yeah Right! You NEVER had any season tickets to begin with !!!
Somebody hired Doc Rivers in Orlando, he was never an assistant for 14 years & he’s the same guy you covet now? This is less risky than that hire. Obviously, Drew was the players choice and the owners have had six years to evaluate Drew. They know who he is! The fans know very little in that regard, so where are all the opinions coming from? I mean really?
This is not mall, where you judge quality by fabric content or brand named labels!
This is a man – and how do you judge the HEART of a man?
The Lakers and Phil Jackson couldn’t do it last night when “Shrek & Donkey” came of the bench and balled on the starters!
Little Nate said it best, “You can’t SCOUT energy!”
jp
June 11th, 2010
8:38 pm
they obviously took the cheap route. They could’ve had Avery Johnson or Mark Jackson if they paid a little more. What kind of garbage are they gonna use to sell us this move.
Gearon Jr. you have proven to be a joke and a terrible owner
gcs
June 11th, 2010
8:38 pm
FIRST…round loss in 2011.
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Feudfinder
June 11th, 2010
8:42 pm
Tell those su$$res DRMARYB
Mike is back
June 11th, 2010
8:43 pm
I guess the ASG new they would look like a Jack Assssss going with Casey at point in the game, so they decided to go with Drew.
Well, anyway CONGRATULATION TO LDrew…he is a class guy. We said the same about Woody…I hope we are not here again, in two years…something smells fishy.
I always liked Drew…this will be interesting.
Tyrone Shoelaces
June 11th, 2010
8:43 pm
Give the guy a chance. Mr. Sund needs to bring back Chill, draft the best possible need fitting potential contributor and sign a free agent big. I would’nt mind seeing Joe Smith back. Larry might actually get him some minutes. Larry’s #1 goal is coach up the rook….um, oops, the soph.
Feudfinder
June 11th, 2010
8:43 pm
Tell those su$$ers DRMARYB.
Tyrone Shoelaces
June 11th, 2010
8:45 pm
great post drmaryb!
ryan
June 11th, 2010
8:46 pm
How much longer can the Spirit own the Hawks and Thrashers ! FLAT BROKE!
tnfalcon
June 11th, 2010
8:46 pm
THEY STRUNG US ALONG SO THEY COULD END UP WITH THE GUY THEY WANTED ALL ALONG. BEING A HAWKS FAN IS AN EXERCISE IN FUTILITY. I DIDN’T KNOW DONALD STERLING OWNED THE HAWKS TOO. LOVE THIS TEAM, HATE THIS FRANCHISE…
N.D.T.K.A.
June 11th, 2010
8:47 pm
First, Mr. Drew I hope you do a nice job. “Rumors” have it that J.J. and Josh Smith really like and respect you. “Rumors” have it that you are going to run a more up-tempo style and we can all “see” that the Hawks are more effective when they run (RE:Hawsk vs. Boston Series this past season). Why are people still talking about Avery Johnson? He coaches the Nets. Those of us who wanted Avery realize the Hawks were too slow and cheap for such a gift. Is HoopsHype the New York Times? People quote “rumor” on here like it is fact. I watched Avery coach. The product and the record was undeniable. Why would owners leave a young playoff team in the hand of an assistant (chance) instead of a known entity (playoff caliber coach – I won’t mention his name again since I am over it.) I will answer that question as someone on this board said earlier least common denominator and of course cheap. No offense to Larry Drew. Most fans wish Larry Drew the very best and I am one of them. I don’t understand why all the hate for Rick Sund. A GM needs time to build a winner, Rome wasn’t built in a day. I don’t think Rick Sund has been in Atlanta long enough to judge him as a bad GM. Hawks, I hope you improve your record and make a push for the finals in the East!!!
bigdaddyj
June 11th, 2010
8:48 pm
Will the Spirit please sell the Hawks and Thrashers to someone who cares and can actually afford to be in the business. This hire is plain awful. What a joke.
chefbtl
June 11th, 2010
8:51 pm
All thisn talk about a coach.If u don’t have at least 2 max players you will not make it to the finals.Pay Attention ! Championship Teams spend money on Coaches and Allstar Players.So if the Hawks really want to win,you have to spend so money .Even if that means pay Luxury Tax.Woody did a great job with the cards he was dealt.You have to sign big free agents,when u dont draft well.Lets make up for all of this lost time.If you spend the money ,all home games will be sold out !
Josh 3pt Smith
June 11th, 2010
8:55 pm
Larry has been helping me work on my 3’s , I can’t wait to make it rain / LMAO !!
Hawks have just lost the season ticket holders and alot of fans on this cheap a$$ move !
dub366
June 11th, 2010
8:55 pm
Best coach for the job .GO SUND CONGRADULATIONS LARRY DREW I SAID ALL YEAR LONG THAT YOU WOULD BE THE BEST FIT.
POOH-POOH
June 11th, 2010
8:55 pm
JUST LIKE THE HAWKS DONT WANT TO SPEND ANY MONEY ON A REAL COACH. MOREOF THE SAME!
Ken Strickland
June 11th, 2010
8:56 pm
MIKE IS BACK-what makes you think we wouldn’t be back here in 2yrs if we had hired Casey or Jackson?
GCS-Why not use you delusional psychic ability and predict we won’t even make the playoffs?
WOODY LOVERS at their worst. It was Woodson who insisted we resign JSmith, MWilliams, MBibby and ZPachulia, yet you blame GM RSund for doing exactly what your beloved Woody wanted. FOREST FOR THE TREES, FOREST FOR THE TREES.
Native Son
June 11th, 2010
8:56 pm
All things considered, Larry Drew was the best choice. J.J. & Smoove made that call. I just thank Yah. that it ain’t Mark Jackson.
drmaryb
June 11th, 2010
8:58 pm
42 wins next season?
Apparently, it doesn’t matter how many games you win in the regular season.
If that were so, Mr. Woodson would still be our HC.
Seethethreebethethree
June 11th, 2010
8:59 pm
Seems like we got the runt of the litter.It is NEVER a good idea for a organization to promote within to a top position. The players will undermine his authority, again and again.New blood is the best aproach. The Hawks needed a coach that will put a foot up Josh Smith’ ass. Drew will not be able to handle this selfish player and will spread like cancer to the rest of the team.
Jesse
June 11th, 2010
9:00 pm
The plan is to let him fail for two years and then hire Doc Rivers after he takes a couple of years off…..
UNC B-Ball
June 11th, 2010
9:01 pm
I hope he signs his son, Larry Drew II, so we can get him out of Chapel Hill & start winning again.
Joe
June 11th, 2010
9:01 pm
Drew does a great job in summer league games and the Hawks are always on top of the standings. Lets just see what becomes of this decision in the regular season and playoffs. I hope he is not Mike Woodson all over again.
lgwest
June 11th, 2010
9:02 pm
Finally!
Good luck coach Drew. Find a true center or two and we will be OK. Its your turn now, lets do it.
Good thing is you don’t have to start completely anew.
I would love to see you get plenty fines getting after the officials and trying to even out the manor the games are called.
LSUTiger
June 11th, 2010
9:02 pm
One of the worst hires Atlanta could make. If they want to make it to the playoffs and win, they need to hire a “big name” experienced coach. Atlanta does not have time to train another head coach.
Feudfinder
June 11th, 2010
9:03 pm
Some people are mind readers. Can anyone tell me what the power ball numbers will be for Saturday?
AtlFlavor
June 11th, 2010
9:04 pm
Congrats Coach Drew!!!!… MR Sund got pimped slapped by the ASG..LOL. Damn. He had but all given the job to Casey, then the ASG pull the chair on his azz. The whole search was BS anyway. Sund never liked Woody and Woody never liked Sund. This way things stay close to the same, even though they said ” A New Voice is needed”.
ChiefKNOCKaHOMER
June 11th, 2010
9:06 pm
@N.D.T.K.A
But Rome was built!
Show me state
June 11th, 2010
9:07 pm
I believe he can get it done…..casey and jackson….could’ve made this a “rebuilding project” so why not hire the guy that is already familiar with the situation…..alot of people are bashing him for being under woody…..he won’t be the same coach as woody was….publish dat…..u never know until you have given a guy a chance….and when he proves da nay sayers wrong then his bandwagon will become at max capacity….congrats coach drew
JeJe
June 11th, 2010
9:10 pm
“and ensure him that locker-room chemistry would improve.”
Can we please get a story about this? This is kind of a big deal. Also I want to see if Drew will rebuke players, since Woody obviously didn’t. I’m sure it’ll cost nothing to make Drew HC
ChiefKNOCKaHOMER
June 11th, 2010
9:11 pm
We got a coach, now we just need a few GOOD men on the floor that will not quit like JJ and Josh did against Orlando.
JeJe
June 11th, 2010
9:12 pm
i’M READY TO SEE SOME FRONT OFFICE/PLAYER COMMENTS ABOUT WOODY.
JAMAL WAS VERY CAREFUL IN WHAT HE SAID. I WANT TO SEE SOME INSINUATIONS ON HOW MUCH WOODY SUCKED
puff
June 11th, 2010
9:13 pm
This is a predictable move from an organization with no imagination. The results are equally predictable.
ballhawker
June 11th, 2010
9:13 pm
We need to trade Josh Smith and Marvin Williams.
Rod
June 11th, 2010
9:15 pm
Cheap Bass terds…Can the NBA make broke owners of the hawks sell the team. They can’t afford to own a team.
Stuart Scott
June 11th, 2010
9:15 pm
This move equates to no more than 32 wins in 2010-11. I’m just saying.
Should have hired my boy (Byron Scott) a true winner.
UncleDunkyah
June 11th, 2010
9:16 pm
CHEAP AZZ HAWKS!! ALWAYS LOOKING FOR BARGAINS….. WE HAD A SHOT AT AVERY BUT WANTED THE K-MART BLUE LIGHT SPECIAL
“Good Grief” Charlie Brown
JeJe
June 11th, 2010
9:20 pm
A FRIEND FROM WORK TOLD ME THAT HIS BROTHER MET MARK PRICE AND PRICE SAID THAT RONDO WORKS OUT WITH HIM IN THE SUMMER. RONDO PAYS FOR PLANE TICKETS, HOTELS, EVERYTHING.
PRICE THEN SAID THAT WHEN HE CALLS UP SMOOVE EVERY OTHER DAY TO WORK ON FREE THROWS, SMOOVE DOESN’T WANT TO DRIVE FROM MARIETTA TO SUWANEE
Bill Walton
June 11th, 2010
9:21 pm
Jamaal Crawford is kissing Drew’s azz to get a starting position. The Magic also made Crawford ’s game disappear in the playoffs.Luke would turn this team into an instant winner. The Hawks have no team leader at the coach’s or player’s position. You cannot win in the NBA without filling that void.
JeJe
June 11th, 2010
9:23 pm
IN AN ARTICLE WE HEARD ABOUT THE MODEL DREW PRESENTED AND HOW ASTONISHING IT WAS. DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT HE SAID?
JeJe
June 11th, 2010
9:23 pm
FIRE SUND
JeJe
June 11th, 2010
9:25 pm
tHE BIGGEST QUESTION IS WHO WILL HIS ASSISTANTS BE? CAN WE HAVE SOME SPECIALISTS RATHER THAN THESE CRAPPY SCRUBS LIKE JIM TODD?
Dick Vitale
June 11th, 2010
9:25 pm
This is unbelievable, BABY! What a debarcle.
truthspitter
June 11th, 2010
9:26 pm
Glad I don’t think about suicide much anymore
drmaryb
June 11th, 2010
9:28 pm
NDTKA
The hoopshype news feeds on the crap Avery pulled in Dallas are true, I actually recalled ESPN reporting the crazy stuff he pulled. One incident was at a press conference, so its on tape.
He is more arrogant than my evil step-father was growing up.
An oppressor is the worst thing you can be when you are supposed to be a leader of men and children.
He ran a slave ship in Dallas and was ran out of there in a NY minute. I done with him and have gladly moved on. But, most of the Drew haters do so because they think we missed out on something better!
Don’t worry fans, we will be just fine! We need some players more so than anything else right now!
A proven PG to help JT0 – we got Bibby to help him see the floor and with the intangibles of being a great PG.
We need a big – wide – load down on the blocks. We don’t need “Jenny – on – the Block”.
And, oh yeah! Some gunners on the bench. Zsa Zsa should be fine, if used right! He’s only 24 years old and I like his NASTY side! He fouls real hard and flagrant! We need our own Udonis Haslem too!
A Charles Oakley or Rick Mahorn or enforcer off the bench! We need players 1 to 15 and play everybody, esp. In the play offs!
LMAO!!!
June 11th, 2010
9:28 pm
POETIC JUSTICE!!
WHATZ UP BUBBA CREW?
LMAO. SUND HASNT GOT A CLUE.
THAT IS FUNNY AS SHYYT.
IM STILL LAUGHING……
Grandad
June 11th, 2010
9:28 pm
Congratulations to Mr. Larry Drew.
For you I wish nothing but the best.
Now however, I turn to my neagative side.
I do not feel it was Mr. Sund’s choice.
We will never know.
I feel very strongly about the coaching profession.
A coach must be a teacher, & a mentor.
In this situation – my opinion only – this was a bad hire.
It was most assuredly the wrong hire, even if it turns out okay.
(1st) The owners seemingly over-ruled RS.
(2nd) The players, I think, lobbied, for Mr. Drew.
(3rd) he is the *Cheapest* option.
* I always taught my children – don’t settle. (aim for the best)
Up until now I have tried to support the ASG. ‘No More’.
I will remain a Hawks fan however, for the time being, I’m going
to curtail my daily hobby of visiting the blog.
I’ll check in from time to time & eventually return full force.
But this hire has been so egregious to me that I need to re-focus
my free [hobby] time somewhere else for a while.
Once again this is not an indictment of Larry Drew.
It’s like someone said earlier, they will probably screw up the
draft also.
Following a team for me is a full time activity.
It’s more than watching the games.
So the draft is an event just as important as any other.
This has [for me] been a kick in the butt.
like I said I’ll be in & out.
Evenin’ everyone – Go Celtics.
Pitiful Franchise
June 11th, 2010
9:28 pm
PATHETIC!!! This group of “owners” have to be THE worst in all of professional sports! Fire a coach (though I thought he should have been fired last year) with a winning record the last two seasons, and replace him with one of his assistants AFTER interviewing other candidates first. So how in the world does this guy improve this team??? He won’t…and they will be lucky to make the playoff next year with this crappy coaching move and embarrassing ownership at the helm. Please seel this team to someone that gives a damn!
LMAO!!!
June 11th, 2010
9:30 pm
IM STILL LAUGHING. WHAT UP BIG RAY? HAHAHAHAHAHA!
LMAO!!!
June 11th, 2010
9:31 pm
I CANT STOP LAUGHING! WHAT UP SAUTEE? GRANDAD? HAHAHAHAHJAHJ
LMAO!!!
June 11th, 2010
9:31 pm
I TOLD YOU SUND WAS STUPID!
claude
June 11th, 2010
9:32 pm
well talent wins. i know nba coach is a notch above mlb manager in importance, but i wanted a guy who could draw up a decent play when the team needed a basket. that wasn’t woody & this guy was standing next to woody the whole time. maybe they got tired of woody’s voice, but how different could his be….forget mark jackson, mark price would have seemed a better option!! i’m depressed…not even sure why. maybe i’m wrong, i don’t know how good larry drew could be, but i knew dwayne casey wasn’t bad…heck he was even ok…and that was enough for me. coaching matters more when u lack a supreme talent ie wade, kobe, lbj . hope your the guy when can make this team the 2004 pistons, larry. GOOD LUCK!! you’ll need it.
p.s. the pistons played hard.
p.p.s. larry drew was there all this time when they weren’t playing hard. i’m sad…
LMAO!!!
June 11th, 2010
9:32 pm
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
ballhawg333
June 11th, 2010
9:32 pm
Is Lary Drew willing to move his azz to Atlanta from Woodland Hills, California and start paying Ga taxes? If he doesn;t move to atlanta, it shows he not TOTALLY committed to the organization.
eiht
June 11th, 2010
9:34 pm
If the Hawks wanted to go with Drew, why waste money, time, and effort in interviewing the other canidates. If you wanted Drew, should’ve just hired him a week after firing Woodson. Then we as fans could know our coaching style by now and rally behind this team leading up to the draft and free agency period.
brad
June 11th, 2010
9:34 pm
You are kidding right?
Hawks Fan
June 11th, 2010
9:36 pm
What a damn JOkE. The same BS will continue till Atlanta Spirits sell th team. Stupid a@@’s running the show. I don’t blame Drew for wanting the job but the Spirits suck big time. HAWK Fan ? will have to see, it better be good.
Clyde
June 11th, 2010
9:37 pm
Typical Atlanta Hawk decision.
Didn’t Larry Drew want to leave a few years go and Billy wouldn’t let him?
ballhawg333
June 11th, 2010
9:38 pm
What are they paying Drew to coach?
ballhawg333
June 11th, 2010
9:39 pm
Correction, how much are they paying Drew to sit on the bench?
Clyde
June 11th, 2010
9:42 pm
I don’t have nothing against Larry Drew but we needed new leadership. We needed a fresh mind and a fresh vision.
4 Jacks
June 11th, 2010
9:43 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Way to go ASG. This is just to laughable. The ASG is just PATHETIC, I mean really. Anyone buying tickets to hawk or Thrasher games are just plain out SUCKERS…sorry, I really am…sorry that Atlanta fans are stuck with one of the WORST if not the WORST ownerships in all sports. The fans here deserve so much better. This ownership if a effing disgrace…Gearon and the others are just morons on the cheap and that is the best that can be said about them. What a complete waste of time these two teams are.
GetwhatUpayfor
June 11th, 2010
9:43 pm
How cheap can you get? The Atlanta Spirits knew this all the time…and had the fans hopes all build up. I’ll just stay home.
Clyde
June 11th, 2010
9:45 pm
I don’t think Sund wanted Larry Drew. I think he wanted Casey. This was all the Spirit Group. They wanted to get the cheapest option available.
Derek
June 11th, 2010
9:47 pm
The Hawks will continue in mediocrity. I really thought the desire was to totally change the direction that this team was headed and hire someone with a proven track record. When will the ASG let go of the purse strings and spend the money to build a quality organization. As the old saying goes” you get what you pay for”. This just seems like a cost savings move to hire someone that has never held a head coaching job in the NBA. I will be rooting for the Hawks but I will not be expecting very much. I do wish Coach Drew the best and hope that he sincerely will do things different from Coach Woodson. I suggest bringing in some quality assistants. A very strong offensive mind and a very, very strong defensive mind.
Melvin
June 11th, 2010
9:47 pm
Whoop dee damn Drew….
DavidDecatur
June 11th, 2010
9:48 pm
Most of you that complain is not even a Hawks fan yall just like to complain. Byron Scott has done nothing….Avery Johnson had all the talent money can buy did he win a title nope. Who was Phil Jackson until he started to win. Wait and see before you complain dont be a Atlanta Hawks Unlce Ruckus lets see what happens.
drmaryb
June 11th, 2010
9:48 pm
Grand-Daddy
I feel your pain! When you feel better post me up! If you need a shoulder or a hug – I’m here.
I will not be able to blog as much either, but for different reasons! I got to go pay some bills at my offices,
but these owners have worn me out too, with all the unnecessary, childish drama that they perpetrate in this city.
Too many irons in the fire for my taste. Let’s all go get some sleep and remember:
“This too shall pass”
HawksFanFromWayBack
June 11th, 2010
9:52 pm
Larry, hmmm, should have picked John Drew?
Mike is back
June 11th, 2010
9:53 pm
Ken Strick, don’t cap out me like that dawg…u killing my moniker. lol
I said I hope we are not back in two years. As I stated previously…I always liked LDrew…I wish him the best. I’m eager to hear his take on the team. It will be interesting to see how this all unfolds.
JSS
June 11th, 2010
9:55 pm
I just want to know what time Tyrone Hill is fired? 2. What time do we renounce signing rights to Collins, Morris, and West?
cdog
June 11th, 2010
10:00 pm
great hire by rick sund.now lets see can we go out and add the neccessary pieces we need to get to the next level.first, they need to resign joe johnson then go after that neccesary big man(s)no nba team ever won the title without a good big man.lets get it done drew.you’re the man now.hopefully we will get an identity.hope its up tempo and pressure on defense.thats the kind of players we have.marvin and josh would definitely excel in an up tempo style.
Atlanta Spirit Group
June 11th, 2010
10:04 pm
We are idiots and cheap and have no vision on what it takes to win a Championship and we just proved it by hiring one of our assistants.
newkid
June 11th, 2010
10:04 pm
Any reaction yet from Childress?
B&Butthead
June 11th, 2010
10:06 pm
Uhhhhhhh….Uhhhhhhhh…..THIS SUCKS!
Drew’s the man, but what’s the plan? | Atlanta Hawks: Fan Nest
June 11th, 2010
10:06 pm
[...] Well, here we are. As reported by Hawks beat writer Michael Cunningham, Larry Drew has been named head coach. [...]
OK
June 11th, 2010
10:08 pm
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OK
June 11th, 2010
10:10 pm
In al seriousness though, I saw Drew coach at a Clinic and he was very good. He’s def more intellegent than Mike Woodson but……
OK
June 11th, 2010
10:12 pm
This is almost as bad as Ronaldo, Ronaldhinio, and Roberto Carlos being held off the Brazilan National team for the 2010 World cup ugggghhhh!!!
Joe
June 11th, 2010
10:14 pm
We are so screwed. Ascending program to descending. We are so screwed.
DawgDad
June 11th, 2010
10:16 pm
I was a big fan of Larry Drew in his college days at Missouri. Wish him the best. Larry Drew, though, isn’t by himself likely to significantly improve this team. The roster needs to be fixed, and under the circumstances that isn’t going to be easy. All things being equal, say JJ comes back. Does anyone see the Hawks as a 53 win team next year? I certainly don’t.
Melvin
June 11th, 2010
10:21 pm
I find it very hard to believe that Sund two coaching hiring’s been to resign the current coach and then hired the top assistant on the coaching staff that he chose not to resign the aforementioned coach.
Ralph Coleman
June 11th, 2010
10:21 pm
If you didn’t like Mike Woodson, why would you hire his lead assistant?????? That’s probably just more of Mike Woodson. I don’t get it. I’m just saying …..
Clyde
June 11th, 2010
10:23 pm
The Hawks are going in circles
chefbtl
June 11th, 2010
10:25 pm
1st thing let childress go with his 10.8 mil cap hold.Can we please have a championship team fror once .I beleive all 50 Hawks owners dont want a championship team.Calling Mr.Blank please buy the Hawks ! We need a owner who doesnt mind spending money.
Big Ray
June 11th, 2010
10:27 pm
It’s amazing how all of us fans just know precisely what happened behind closed doors.
Larry Drew won’t be popular until he and the team win. That’s a fact, and it’s because he used to work for Woodson. Rest assured, for good or for ill….he will show that he is not the same person as Mike Woodson. Again, whether that turns out to be good or bad is a tale not yet told.
For those who are taking this personally….don’t know what to tell ya. I hope you feel better in the morning.
For those who think this is all Rick Sund’s doing (whether you like the decision or not), there are a few guys who have the option of either accepting or rejecting anything Sund does. They are called the OWNERS.
Good luck to Larry Drew. Four Hawks that every fan will be watching under Drew’s regime:
1) Jeff Teague
2) Josh Smith
3) Al Horford
4) Marvin Williams
I’d add Joe, but we still don’t know if he’s staying or going…
Congrats to Drew, assuming he gets the contract details worked out this evening. After that, the hard part begins.
chefbtl
June 11th, 2010
10:28 pm
fire Rick Sund ! You might as well have kept Woody .What free agents are going to want to come here now ? Same old franchise that traded Mr.D.Wilkins. DAMN ,DAMN,DAMN !
Wabe
June 11th, 2010
10:29 pm
Ok.
So Larry Drew.
I’m not thrilled about it, a little surprised, but I really shouldn’t be. All things considered, this move really made the most sense (notice the words *all things considered*). Sund did his due dillegence interviewing a couple of other candidates, and he and the ASG ultimately came back to Drew.
I’m willing to wait and see what Drew can do with this bunch…
Woody’s gone, but will his ways remain? I’ve heard Drew isn’t anything like Woody, but now we’ll see first-hand whether or not this is true.
darrell starks
June 11th, 2010
10:29 pm
You have 2 be kidding this is some B. S.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
kewlCat
June 11th, 2010
10:30 pm
Everybody knows that Hawks fans are fair-weather by nature! Y’all can’t wait until YellowJacket or Dawgz football season starts. Hell, you support the lackluster Falcons more than the Hawks!! So stop all the pomp and nonsense about your new coach…half of y’all won’t even show up at a game & support your team! Signed..Carolina Katz
Clay
June 11th, 2010
10:30 pm
I wish the hawks could have singed avery johnson but i do like the choice of drew over dwayne casey and ESPECIALLY mark jackson.
darrell starks
June 11th, 2010
10:31 pm
I was going parting tonight untill some one gave me the bad news wow.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
chefbtl
June 11th, 2010
10:31 pm
Trade Josh Smith ,Marvin Williams.We can get more for that 20mil.
N.D.T.K.A.
June 11th, 2010
10:33 pm
Can Drew get rid of Mike Bibby? I see in his bio. that Drew played for the Sacramento Kings, does Drew have a soft spot for Bibby or will he bench or trade Bibby since Bibby can’t run or play defense?
darrell starks
June 11th, 2010
10:33 pm
In what way is this some improvement this the same B. S. AND THE SAME SYSTEM A. S. G. SHOULD SELL THE TEAM NOW.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
Melvin
June 11th, 2010
10:41 pm
ha,ha… now we know who place the knife in Woody’s back….lol
The Truth
June 11th, 2010
10:42 pm
This is not the time to be a bear or a bull but a well-wisher if you are a “true” Hawk Fan; having said that, congratulation to Coach Drew on his new promotion. I wish you all the best. The negativity on this blog has ventured into the comic relief zone on a Friday Night. This stuff is better then the Movies
Dr. Warren
June 11th, 2010
10:42 pm
These boards sounded the same when the Falcons hired Mike Smith. No one is complaining now about him. Give this guy a shot. I’m betting JJ will be back now.
Paul Hewitt
June 11th, 2010
10:44 pm
I would have been a better choice! Jackets remain the best basketball option in Atlanta!!
darrell starks
June 11th, 2010
10:45 pm
People was starting 2 come back and support the hawks like back in the days when nique was on the team and ASG blew the the whistle like this, if the hawks don’t sign joe back and add a star player 2 the team there will be no more than 3,000 fan at the games i guarantee.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
chefbtl
June 11th, 2010
10:46 pm
Are u kidding JJ come back why ? When u have a chance of playing with Lebron,everywhere but here.
chefbtl
June 11th, 2010
10:49 pm
Wont get my season tickets until i see us make some moves on the roster.make me feel like I should spend my hard earned money,unlike some people in this organization.
darrell starks
June 11th, 2010
10:50 pm
For any one who like this sign in what way this improve the hawks you basically have the same coaching staff with the same voice, look we have think big but i forgot THIS IS LOSERVILLE.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
now, let's say bye to JJ
June 11th, 2010
10:51 pm
Folks in L.A. and Chicago said the same things when Pat Riley and Phil Jackson were hired….assistant coaches who had not been head guys before. I’m not saying Drew will be as succeesful as they are, I’m just saying that every great head coach was an assistant at one time or another. Can’t believe they were even considering Jackson. The man has NO coaching experience at any level.
Fundamentals
June 11th, 2010
10:52 pm
Now we must 100% support Drew! He’s our coach people, move forward, not backwards!
MC – Questions?
I would like to hear Drews philosophy moving forward. What does he see as our system, our challenges during the summer and how he plans to move forward. What is his vision for our team.
Any ideas on who his staff will include?
Props to Jamal for actually stepping up for the interview. Just like in the playoffs it takes professionalism and character to be available for comment in tough situations. Thank you for your leadership Jamal.
What are thoughts from the individual players? What are they planning to work on now that they know who they’ll be playing for.
Who were the players “supporting Drew” that we heard about the day Woodson was fired?
What pieces does Drew feel are most vital to fill before camp opens?
Once we know the philosophy we can set priorities for the summer, camp and preseason.
I wish him the best. I pray the team embraces his leadership. We need to grow, we needed a new voice & direction. Good luck to coach Drew. He’ll need the help of his coaches, players, owners, and most importantly the fans of his team to be successful. Step up people or get off the train now. No room for turncoats and foul mouths!
mike bibby's bro
June 11th, 2010
10:54 pm
this is a dumb hiring we should have gotton avery johnson while we had the chance. Oh well if this guy is smart he will get joe johnson to sign and trade him for sombody to add depth to the bench and get a high draft pick and get cole aldrich and then sign josh childress back and start him and keep jamal has the six man. starting line up . 1. Mike Bibby
2. Josh Childress
3. Josh Smith 6th man. Jamal Crawford
4. Al Hoford
5. Cole Aldrich
oh and i almost forgot marvin on the bench so it adds depth to the bench.
Rick Sund
June 11th, 2010
10:57 pm
LMAO
JDM
June 11th, 2010
11:02 pm
As always, seems like the Hawks are going the cheapest route again.
Samuel
June 11th, 2010
11:03 pm
WOW
Rufus1
June 11th, 2010
11:03 pm
Congrats!!!!!!
If Teague is the starting PG next season, he will have my vote. This is a great move if JJ comes back, but if he doesn’t….it sucks.
I bet he told SUND he could turn Marvin into a 15-18pts scorer….
Hoops
June 11th, 2010
11:15 pm
Congratulations Larry Drew for being named the Head Coach of the Atlanta Hawks!!!
Let’s go people. Give the man a chance. Remember when you got your first real chance to show your leadership abilities. You desired the support of those around.
Hawks fans, support get behind your coach and support him! You may be surprised!!! He knows the players better than anyone. He knows the locker room better than anyone.
It’s time to work on the draft picks!
j
June 11th, 2010
11:18 pm
Look, this isn’t so terrible. This ownership group has always liked Drew, and why isn’t he as good or better than casey or jackson or whoever else hasn’t already had success as a head coach. He’ll be fine, if what they say about the players respecting him and different styles on both offense or defense. We were all just hoping for something surprising, but this hire isn’t necessarily a bad thing
terrell
June 11th, 2010
11:19 pm
LMAO!
terrell
June 11th, 2010
11:21 pm
Sund didn’t make this choice, the ASG did. Wish him luck, but I’m not too thrilled right now.
jordan
June 11th, 2010
11:24 pm
More of the same. What a weak horrible selection. Terrible for the team terrible for Drew’s career. No freakin wonder. They got the only coach that they could control and pay asst coach’s pay. F you ownership. You sit back and watch your sick joke of a professional franchise. I want to say I can’t believe it but I so can believe it. I’m white as casper but a bunch of dumb white guys making major basketball decisions. What a freaking joke. That’s the dumbest decision I have ever heard of. And it has nothing to do with Larry Drew. It has to do with not going in a new direction. What a FUNNY decision. A bunch of pukes hiring a guy in Woodson’s corner when we finally got rid of Woodson. OMG.
terrell
June 11th, 2010
11:24 pm
If Marvin is moved to the bench, Drew might be our man. If he starts, same ole, same ole. Just have to wait and see.
terrell
June 11th, 2010
11:25 pm
Wonder hoew Drew feels about Teague? And Bibby for that matter.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 11th, 2010
11:27 pm
I have no idea whether Drew is a future Hall of Famer or a bust, but like the rest of y’all, I hope this works out for the best… just like I did with Woody.
JeJe
June 11th, 2010
11:30 pm
Can we please get an article on what Drew’s philosophies are? Is he gonna develop Teague? Does he know offense?
We know nothing about this guy, except that the players like him. If that’s the case, why don’t we just make Dominique the GM and coach?
GTFan
June 11th, 2010
11:35 pm
Terrible hire. I’m officially done with this team. Until there is new ownership, down with the hawks and thrashers!
bake
June 11th, 2010
11:36 pm
i like STEEL’s optimism…but last i checked we don’t have a michael jordan or a scottie pippen on the roster. SORRY!!! bad comparison!
terrell
June 11th, 2010
11:37 pm
People, in order to run run, run, like Phoenix you must have shooters. If JJ leaves, who do we have?
Rufus1
June 11th, 2010
11:46 pm
Players
Maybe we can bring over Sergi Galdyr, he is a 6′5″ shooter…Also can we finally get a 7ft player on the team
Flo-Ri-Duh!
June 11th, 2010
11:46 pm
I called it… Hawks fired their coach because he wanted a raise and they can get this guy for less. This is not really an improvement but he should fit right in with the culture in Atlanta.
Section 303
June 11th, 2010
11:46 pm
terrell, I’m still willing to take my chances without Joe Johnson. Assuming it will take a max deal to keep him, he would cripple the franchise. I don’t care how high the other teams rate him, he’s on the back end of his career. Plus, he proved himself to be an a$$hole with his fan comments.
Here’s hoping that Sund can pull off a sign-and-trade.
Section 303
June 11th, 2010
11:49 pm
Rufus1, why do I have the feeling that Gladyr will become a mythical character, just like Anderson? Must have been 3 or 4 years hearing about how Anderson was developing, but he never came over here and played on the Hawks.
Can’t wait to hear my first update on Gladyr’s progress. This organization loves to creates legends out of myths.
J. Dawg
June 11th, 2010
11:55 pm
I hope this was a good choice, Good luck Larry Drew.
J. Dawg
June 11th, 2010
11:58 pm
@Rufus1 That will never happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jeff D.
June 11th, 2010
11:58 pm
I’ll give Drew a fair shot to get some work done here. I was hoping for a bigger name to get the job but this is how things get done with this ownership. Settle on a coach by conference call. All I hope for is an UP TEMPO offense that can cut and slash, make sharp passes and utilize the youth of this team. I’ve seen way too much of the bus stop offense under Woodson and I’m confident Drew can blow it up. The man has put in his time and he’s getting his shot. I can’t feel bad about that at all.
J. Dawg
June 11th, 2010
11:59 pm
@Rufus1 That’s to much like right!!!!!!!!!!!
terrell
June 12th, 2010
12:01 am
Maybe this was a move to keep JJ and bring Chills back?
tidog
June 12th, 2010
12:03 am
Howdy boys, there’s a new sheriff in town, welcome sheriff drew. but seriously, head coaches were usually assistant coaches before the lead position becomes theirs. drew may blow everyone away at his press conference and put the atlanta hawk fans at ease. i hope he does so that the vibe of the blog will change.
Jeff D.
June 12th, 2010
12:04 am
I guess the only way to say this is to borrow the line about Manny Ramirez and how he rolls. This is just the Spirit being the Spirit.
MsDee
June 12th, 2010
12:11 am
Great Coach Drew!! Now ask Mark Jackson if he would like to be your top assistant for the Hawks..JJ and the rest of the team would continue to praise you for your decisions so far. They will continue to respect your choices for the new season..Fans, give him a chance to earn your respect, dont cut him down before he gets the chance to climb!!
MaxxHawk
June 12th, 2010
12:12 am
I always liked Larry Drew, but I would have liked to see us interview Ty Corbin
ok cool
June 12th, 2010
12:20 am
Not a bad decision at all, Woody jus straight up would ignore this guy on the sidelines, he is already familiar with our problems and knows what makes our players tick, his son plays for unc so he obviously coached him into being a good player, so imo great hire
Atl Resident
June 12th, 2010
12:27 am
Nothing against Drew, but this another cheap move, by another Atlanta sports team, which is nothing new. It’s been this way for years. Hell I don’t blame players and coaches for exploring the market instead of being content for playing in Atlanta when contracts are up.
Dean
June 12th, 2010
12:39 am
So, so, so disappointed. Same old crap from the same old crap owners. Is this progress? Really hard to cheer for this organization.
Bill
June 12th, 2010
12:39 am
Another Paul Hewitt..BS!
Just no winners in Atlanta.
Jeff D.
June 12th, 2010
12:47 am
MsDee, Amen
ALEXANDER
June 12th, 2010
12:47 am
GREAT HIRE AND THIS IS WHY THIS TEAM WAS PUT TOGETHER TO RUN RUN AND GUN AND COACH DREW LOVE TO RUN PLUS WHAT WAS WE GOING TO DO WITH NO CAP SPACE WE NEED TO STOCK OUR BENCH SIGN JJ AND TRADE HIS ASS BRING CHILL BACK SIGN NAT DOG.IF WE RUN WE CAN GET BYE WITH OUT WHAT YOU WOULD CALL A TRUE CENTER I THINK WE CAN WIN ABOUT 50 GAME NEXT YEAR..LET GIVE COACH DREW A CHANCE PLUS WE NEED TO GIVE MARK PRICE A FULL TIME JOB..LET THE GAME BEGAIN
Xs & 0s
June 12th, 2010
12:53 am
GREAT HIRE!!! ALL YOU HATERS – TOO BAD YOU WILL CONVENIENTLY FORGET YOUR DISGUST WHEN WE ADVANCE IN THE PLAYOFFS AND WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP. BUT WE FORGIVE YOU – IN ADVANCE. WE WILL MAKE ROOM FOR YOU (AGAIN) ON THE DREW BANDWAGON. GO HAWKS!!!
George Bush
June 12th, 2010
1:13 am
buullllsshhiiiitttttttt
lexluther
June 12th, 2010
1:34 am
Again I think Coach Drew will be an upgrade from Woody. The league has switch again were point guards are a hot item. Being a former point himself, I think he will make sure that Teague gets the summer work he needs to run this ball team. Albet I think Bibby is out of his league, his experience and leadership will be valuable for Teague as he make that transistion. Now, getting Josh to stay in his lane, Marvin to play with some balls, Al to continue to be the beast, a true center, no more Iso Joe, and a strong deep bench will be another issue for the Coach to deal with. It starts with Teague. Can the kid really be as good as they predict him to be? He can make the new Coach look good or like Woody in a heartbeat. I really believe that Coach Drew will take this point guard to the side and give him the business. He has the skills, speed and ability to be great. Let’s hope he can deliver. I want to believe that Joe will resign but than again, I want to believe in the HAWKS.
bruck
June 12th, 2010
1:36 am
lets give dis guy a chance if he doesnt fare well than we fire him but every coach has 2 start from somewhere right
Hawks Fan In Orleans
June 12th, 2010
1:47 am
Wow. kinda of anti-climactic been that BK attempted to make this very move 2 years ago but was stopped by non other than the ASG. This is not the sexy pick but who cares as long as we develope a decent offensive scheme to go with all this talent. Plus Jamal Crawford’s rationale was as good as any: Drew knows the ends and outs of this team, the flaws and the tweaks that need to be made to make us a better squad. Good Luck to Drew.
Hawks Fan In Orleans
June 12th, 2010
1:49 am
BTW – Sund wanted Casey IMO – ASG chose Drew – idiots should have gave the green light back in 08 we may have won a game in Boston
DJrock
June 12th, 2010
2:17 am
This is not good at all. We(the fans) can’t never get what we want from any of our atlanta teams. He needs to win the press conference and say fans I understand your concerns. I didn’t know what Mike Woodson was doing as a coach either. Lord Help Us!!!!!!!!!
tale of woe
June 12th, 2010
5:21 am
We waited all this time for this? Ugh!
Brad
June 12th, 2010
5:58 am
One reason $$, they could get Drew on the cheap. The ASG group is happy with crap BB.
OK
June 12th, 2010
6:07 am
mike bibby’s bro,
Bibby aint starting next season kid.
OK
June 12th, 2010
6:19 am
Hopefully we will trade him before his value completely evaporates into thin air….
Douglas
June 12th, 2010
6:38 am
And people wonder why Atlanta is picked as a lousy sports town! It’s poor decisions like this that keep us this way. So glad I prefer college sports because the pro sports in this town is cheap and pathetic.
jsmith
June 12th, 2010
7:05 am
bfd who cares about the hawks
Jack Tucker
June 12th, 2010
7:21 am
No surprise here. It only figures that the Hawk’s owners would go the CHEAPEST way possible in hiring a new head coach. Nonetheless, best of luck to you Mr. Drew.
sam'l
June 12th, 2010
7:27 am
Sure,we’d all like Drew to make it…..but we’d also like the Hawks to make it.
This team needed a talent…not a would be second banana to a fifth rate monkey brain.
.
Crawford’s cool, but totally off the mark here.
Steve
June 12th, 2010
7:29 am
I wish Larry Drew the best but with the ASG group we will be back in the lottery in a few years
The Real Hawk
June 12th, 2010
7:30 am
Does a team with 53 wins hire a coach that “could” work out? And why should any fan settle for that?
This is about money. The owners picked the person they could get for cheap. 3 years? No one with head coaching experience would take a 3 year deal. It’s about the Benjamins!
Big Ray
June 12th, 2010
7:36 am
When Woodson was hired, I supported him until he earned my criticism. It will be the same for Larry Drew.
For those who absolutely detest this move and haven’t been anything but haters all this time (you know who you are), I hope this finally drives you away from here, so you don’t plague us true Hawks fans anymore. That may be wishful thinking, of course…
I still think it’s funny that some folks automatically feel that this move has doomed the franchise. Wow, is your vision narrow. The problem has never been, and never will be limited to the coach.
For those who can’t get with this, I hope you feel better later on. In the meantime, saying nothing at all beats being nothing but negative.
Big Ray
June 12th, 2010
7:47 am
“This is about money. The owners picked the person they could get for cheap. 3 years? No one with head coaching experience would take a 3 year deal. It’s about the Benjamins!.”
I have news for you.
Three year deals are more normal than you think. Most coaches have signed them, it’s how things work in this League.
Oklahoma City Thunder head coach Scott Brooks won Coach of the Year last year. He just signed a 2 year extension, so there’s more evidence.
Three year deals are more normal than you think. Most coaches have signed them, it’s how things work in this League. Tom Thibodeau just signed a 3 year deal to be the new head coach of the Bulls.
Monty Williams, new head coach for the Hornets? 3 year contract.
I can keep this up all day…
cp
June 12th, 2010
7:48 am
I felt that it would be Drew who got the job. I have no problem with Drew at all. Drew wanted to leave a few years back and I’m guessing its because of issues with Woodrow. Woodson said many times that he didn’t listen to input from his assistants so you cant blame the offensive problems on Drew. Drew is said to want an up tempo type of offensive system. That doesn’t sound anything like what Woodson ran now does it. That alone tells you he is a different coach. If any of you had watched how he coached the summer leagues you would understand. They constantly pushed the ball and shared it. It was nothing like what Woodson was doing. Woodson allowed the locker room split by not holding everyone accountable so hopefully that’s one of the first things Drew does. Sekou reported that it was Drew that the players went to when they had issues with Woodson. He knows the problems of the team and I think he will fix them. I also hope he lets guys compete for jobs instead of playing favorites like ol Woodrow. You have to give Drew a chance just like you gave Woodson a chance…… Its just crazy that he would have been the head coach if the ASG had allowed BK to do his job.
Big Ray
June 12th, 2010
7:51 am
I think I just repeated myself in that last post.
I think I just repeated myself in that last post.
Bob LeBlah
June 12th, 2010
7:53 am
Wow the Hawks went the cheap route.. Wow Im shocked.
Matt
June 12th, 2010
7:54 am
This was a true “no brainer”. In a bad way. This is the NBA, not High School Basketball. The Hawks have made yet another horrible decision. The fan support will start to vanish and soon the Hawks and Thrashers will be leaving for another city. But, maybe that’s what the Spirit Group wants. Their decisions seem to only put money in their pockets and not fans in the seats. I hope I’m wrong but I’m usually not.
Big Ray
June 12th, 2010
7:54 am
cp
Exactly. While I’m trying to avoid heaping coals on the dearly departed, you have no idea how much Drew was endorsed in the past. There was a reason Billy Knight wouldn’t let him go when he was trying to leave.
Hit me up on the fan blog. You can post the same post there if you want to. Got somethin’ for ya.
doc
June 12th, 2010
7:55 am
is it irony or my cynicism, didnt billy knight essentially get a vote of no confidence just two and half years ago for wanting this move made? u;timately he left the hawks because the big dogs wouldnt listen to him. not saying it wont work but you gotta ask is this organization credible?
on the bright side i would assume if they were smart this is a locker room hire that makes sense. if the locker room essentially says the asame things as drew did and approve of him then there is an a ready made accountability system. it also might mean it is “easier” to keep jj on the roster if he approved the hire. i would assume there would have been some discussion with the players about the hires and the preferences at least in style if not in name.
good luck larry drew, got your back for now. just a true fan.
Atlanta Spirit
June 12th, 2010
7:59 am
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!. $7.25/hour.
Big Ray
June 12th, 2010
8:09 am
Doc ,
That’s the point. We have to be able to separate the “why” from the “what.” It should bother us how the decision came, we do have credibility issues where ownership is concerned. On the other hand, where Drew is concerned, the thing that matters is what he does in this job. If it works out, people will very quickly forget the so-called debacle surrounding his hire.
And what will the other coaches we “coulda had” look like in 3 years? Will Thibodeau wear out his welcome in Chicago in 3 years, the way Scott Skiles did? Remember when Byron Scott was all the rage? He got fired from two teams. How does that make him a great coach? What happens when Avery Johnson meets up with the Nets and their cast of young, unproven players? Last I knew, he was dealing with veterans. What if Rod Thorn decides he has had enough?
In the end, the grass always seems greener on the other side. Until you get there, that is.
El Cheapo
June 12th, 2010
8:26 am
The hawks are broke—had to go cheap and find someone, anyone who would work for peanuts. They got their man!!!
MannyT
June 12th, 2010
8:33 am
I’m not mad,
I’m not glad,
An interesting time
by all to be had.
Just get me a staff
and some players too
Let’s play some games
before we judge Larry Drew.
GT
June 12th, 2010
8:43 am
How does a coach insure locker room chemistry? I think the Hawks have the exact underachieving problems Georgia Tech has. Both had and I think have a player’s coach. Someone needs to follow Doc Rivers around and see what he is doing different. He is an ex players with a lot more primos than the Hawks, though grant it not as immature, he is part of the brotherhood yet he obviously has the respect of his players. The same coaches win in basketball so there must be something to the theory that that is where it begins not in the locker room chemistry. Look as far back as you want in the NCAA champions no surprises, great coaches, do the same with NBA though a little more murky. The difference in the NBA is every once in a while some of the spoil brats wake up on the wrong side of the bed and play for the team instead of themselves and the talent is enough that the attitude makes the difference.
Native Son
June 12th, 2010
8:46 am
All right y’all!!! Had a little sleep, some oatmeal & coffee this morning, so I feel good(da-da-dada=da-da-da) I realize why some people are disappointed with the ASG & Larry Drew. It’s like your best friend is getting married, and he chose someone else to be the best man. Well, when you look at it from a different perspective, the ASG made the correct call, I don’t think money was the main issue, though it may have played a part in it. They wanted Avery Johnson, and I believe they were willing to pay whatever, but his stipulations were way over the fence. And when he went to New Jersey, Drew became the logical choice. I sir, have to concur with that decision. I opine that Avery Johnson didn’t so much want full control of the team, as it was that he didn’t want to be dealing with the structure of the organization itself. tried to cancel out the owners. On the surface it does seems arrogant, and that he is “The Little General”, but I say, “give the man credit for a shrewd move”. Since, everyone here believes the ASG shot down Rick Sund’s wanting to hire D. Casey,here’s this scenario. the hiring of Casey would have given Sund another voice, strenghtening his position. Shrewd move for the ASG. Mark Jackson……no confidence vote. That left L. D.- the L is for “logical” And if you look at his resume, you have to agree that he does indeed have some head coaching experience. He coached the rooks, the 2cd, and 3rd year players in the summer sessions. Come on y’all !! Get behind this guy, what’s there to lose. Support can work the same way for a coach, as it can for a player…………………………………….Peace from the most Native
Shout to Big Ray!!! where the heck is your blog man?
ctrim
June 12th, 2010
8:52 am
I wish Woody the best – at times he exceeded my expectations during his tenure but he wasn’t going to take this team any further. Larry has earned this chance and I look forward to giving him my support. Biggest concern for the Hawks is what happens with JJ and the further development of our young players.
Im still laughing@Sund and the bubba crew
June 12th, 2010
8:52 am
He who laugh last laugh best!!!
LMAO!
Big Ray
June 12th, 2010
8:58 am
Native Son ,
I’m still around. My blog is listed below MC’s blog. No longer called the Hawks Hack, it’s called the Hawks Fan Nest blog.
Truth Serum (Im still laughing@Sund and the bubba crew) ,
Laughter is good.
Im still laughing@Sund and the bubba crew
June 12th, 2010
8:58 am
We could have had Bob Weiss for less….Helll we did get the black bob weiss. Poetic justice baby. woodson has got to love this!
Yeah the hawk will be world class contenders now…..LMAO again!
This definitely sends a statement to the NBA.
On a more serious note I guess that means lebron wont be coming here.
Im still laughing@Sund and the bubba crew
June 12th, 2010
9:02 am
There is a reason they only gave barney one bullet….somebody check Sund’s pistol…
RICK SUND
June 12th, 2010
9:10 am
To the rear… M-A-R-C-H!!
lewis
June 12th, 2010
9:11 am
lol @ 1.2 Million for 2 years guaranteed, 3rd year option
4 Jacks
June 12th, 2010
9:11 am
It definitely sends a statement to the Atlanta fans. The ASG is making the statement that we are cheap, we are stupid and we are LOSERS. Nothing against Drew, but Gearon and the rest of the morons that own this team are not going to make a real committment to bring a top notch contender to Atlanta, and if this does not prove it then your head is buried in the sand…sorry, nothing personal…but the ownership flat out sucks and is just pathetic.
RICK SUND
June 12th, 2010
9:12 am
ACTUALLY PREFERRED DICK CHENEY OVER BUSH.
RICK SUND
June 12th, 2010
9:13 am
DOUBLE TO THE REA..R M-A-R-C-H!
JeJe
June 12th, 2010
9:13 am
So we wasted 3 weeks interviewing outside candidates then all of a sudden the ASG is like “let’s just interview Larry Drew who was there the whole time?” LOL what a joke. I’d probably take Drew over Casey, but he’s in a tough spot this year because if he doesn’t break 53 wins, geniuses like Woody or Gearon will claim he failed since “REGULAR SEASON SUCCESS IS ALL THAT MATTERS”
ken
June 12th, 2010
9:14 am
the Spirit does it again—-let’s see how little money we can spend—-this is the Thrashers experience all over again—-hire the cheapest guy we can find——looks like we will get the winning traditions his years at New Jersey and Washington and under Woodson have resulted in
Brain Fart!!
June 12th, 2010
9:15 am
how you like me now?
JeJe
June 12th, 2010
9:16 am
“Hey, it was a tough decision any way you go. If it doesn’t turn out, it’s the wrong decision. If it turns out, maybe it was the right decision, I don’t know.”
STRONG WORDS, RICK!
I feel like Joe and LBJ are the same in that ATL and CLE fans are terrified to say anything that will disturb them one bit and that they’d ditch the town if anyone perturbed them.
Native Son
June 12th, 2010
9:23 am
Big Ray: Going twenty – twenty with the hind sight. Is it any way possible, that Marvin was Woody’s pick? I had support for him early, and still do. However, I just haven’t seen anything from Marvin to justify him starting. It’s what pissed J. Chill’s off. I’m probably over the top on this, but #1 it was BK’s pick, or it’s the evidence of Woody’s favoritism.
Rufus1
June 12th, 2010
9:27 am
A CHANCE!!!!!
We have to give Drew atleast the draft and free agency, before we begin to pass judgement….
J.DAWG & Section 303
Woodson didn’t want anyone to challenge his favorite offensive players…Why else wood Mario have a roster spot and why our bench was never developed. If we had a legit 7ft player, Al or Josh would have to come off the bench…Who would Woodson have benched?
Drew would go along way to convincing me he is the right guy, with his player acquisition. Sergi maybe as good a shooter as Bibby or Crawford, but may cost 1mil or less. A 7ft shot blocker and rebounder would put Al, Josh and Marvin on notice.
Big Ray
June 12th, 2010
9:31 am
Native Son ,
Marvin was both Woody and Billy’s pick. Back when they were agreeing on things, that is. CP3 was considered too small, Deron too slow, and Rondo without a jumpshot. Marvin had the most potential of any draft pick at the time, but potential is all there was. He was a good player off the bench at UNC, but since when do you pick a guy off of a team’s bench in the top 3 of the lottery?
I’m not sure how 11 points and 7 rebounds off the bench screamed “future superstar.” I would have understood if the guy was averaging 18-20 ppg as a freshman or destroying college records the way Kevin Durant and Michael Beasley were. Marvin wasn’t anything close to that.
As it was, Woody played him ahead of the more cerebral and effective Josh Childress, who not only had a higher field goal percentage (despite his fugly looking jumper), but just about matched Marvin’s output while coming off the bench. Furthermore, Childress could bring the ball up the court and function (and defend) the 1, 2, and 3 spots.
It was a mistake, and we’re still paying for it. Literally. I hope Childress comes back now. We could really use him.
Big Ray
June 12th, 2010
9:33 am
MC ,
One of these days, I’ll learn to log off before coming over to hang out at your blog. My bad…
Big Ray
June 12th, 2010
9:34 am
Rufus ,
I hope they let Sergei come over and play in the summer league this year. Word is that the kid can really shoot. Why not let him see if he can earn a spot?
Truth-Serum
June 12th, 2010
9:36 am
Ray I appreciate the shout out. It just goes to show that truth is stranger than fiction. It does challenge all logic that you would fire a 50+ wins coach who has shown steady improvement with the teams growth and hire his assistant who he was grooming… The only way I could justify this would be to say a) coach’s dont win games players do so I really dont want to exhaust my capital on a coach but rather the players.b) attract a big name player who says that the reason for there coming here was because Sund hired Woodson’s assistant coach and I believe there is now a clear path to competing for a championship. .
But then reality sets in and I realize that this is a ‘BRAIN FART” OF GASTRIC PORPORTIONS!’
Truth-Serum
June 12th, 2010
9:38 am
Well, he certainly still has YOU watching, doesn’t he?
YOU MEAN LAUGHING!
Ricky
June 12th, 2010
9:39 am
@Jody
June 11th, 2010
6:47 pm
Though I don’t quite understand this, congratulations to Mr. Drew.
****************************************************************************
My sentiments exactly.
Good Luck Larry, just remember, the higher we soar the smaller we appear to those that cannot fly!!
Native Son
June 12th, 2010
9:43 am
Rufus1: Man I never could figure that Mario move. Like he was Woodson’s illegitemate son. He was the exact same way as Charles Barkley pronounces ” terrible’. I can see how he split the locker room with the stuff he did. A few more examp’s – Pachulia – Mike (no legs) Bibby – Collins. Woodson spent all last summer moaning about getting some bigs. And then he does’t play any of them. And the only thing he ever developed was a fat bank account.
RT
June 12th, 2010
9:43 am
I bet that will sell alot of tickets.Should have hired Bobby Cox!
Truth-Serum
June 12th, 2010
9:44 am
THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION IS , HOW DOES THIS MAKE THE HAWKS A BETTER TEAM AND GETS THEM CLOSER TO THE CHAMPIONSHIP RING.
THE ANSWER IS IT DOESNT, IN FACT ITS A STEP BACKWARD. UNLESS THERE ARE MAJOR CHANGES WE WONT WIN 50+ NOR GET PAST THE FIRST ROUND. 1 AND DONE.
WHERES THE LOGIC?
Rick Sund
June 12th, 2010
9:45 am
To the rea..r M-A-R-C-H!!
lingering oder from Sund's brain fart...
June 12th, 2010
9:49 am
, just remember, the higher we soar the smaller our chances of winning a championship
Ramon
June 12th, 2010
9:50 am
Now that the hiring has been made, I have no reason not to fully support Drew. I think he will do great in the new role.
Melvin
June 12th, 2010
9:56 am
We believe the ASG made the right coaching hire and we are not saying money was a factor either…:)
Gary Washburn: Nba source: drews deal with ATL between 1.2 and 1.5 mil per yr. Amongst leagues lowest paid coaches — boston globe
Ric Bucher: Doesn’t seem right that Izzo could make $6mil a yr while Thibodeau is at $2mill per in Chi + Larry Drew will make $1.5mill per in Atl.
Sam Amick: A source close to Atlanta’s coaching search says Larry Drew’s contract will be for two guaranteed years between $1.2 and $1.3 million.
lingering oder from Sund's brain fart...
June 12th, 2010
9:56 am
I feel you ramon, its not about trying to win championships. It about marshmallows, tulips and a kinder gentler approach. Who cares if we done win championship what counts is that we had a chance to play. Thats what important. Some one has to be a door matt so why not our hawks.
Native Son
June 12th, 2010
9:57 am
Big Ray: I second that emotion. especially the ugly, but sometimes lethal & timely 3 pointer.
An aside here…….anyone else notice that Marvin has the mannerisms of one Chris Washburn? Hmmm?
lingering oder from Sund's brain fart...
June 12th, 2010
9:58 am
HOW DOES THIS MAKE THE HAWKS A BETTER TEAM AND GETS THEM CLOSER TO THE CHAMPIONSHIP RING.
michael
June 12th, 2010
10:01 am
Why, why, why didn’t the Hawks sign Paul Hewitt??? My Tech team was counting on this!
Dashizz357
June 12th, 2010
10:04 am
Hawks don’t want to win, just look at what Cleveland’s offered Coach Izzo. The Hawks want to play with the Cleveland’s and Boston’s but have yet to make a quality move.Hawks just don’t want to invest in quality coaches or players but they want us the fan to invest our hard earned money into a subpar team & unheard coaching staff with NO head coaching experience………Wow, nothing against coach Drew I wish him the best, but he’s not the answer. Let me guess the next more, lose Joe Johnson & bring back Childress, I wonder how much the owners will SAVE with that move…………I’m done!
Mikefalcon63
June 12th, 2010
10:11 am
Typical of ASG… Let’s find the cheapest option to put in place. Way to thank what fans you have ASG. Bunch of losers who only care about $. Hawks will never be a contender.
Iceman
June 12th, 2010
10:12 am
Rot in heck, Atlanta Spirit.
Darrin "The Vent King"
June 12th, 2010
10:15 am
The Atlanta Hawks should hang a banner outside Phillips Arena that says:
“The more things change, the more they stay the same…”
Bill Stanfill
June 12th, 2010
10:17 am
Like some of the others, my main concern is can Drew be tough enough? Can he be firm with players when he needs to be? Will he put Josh Smith on the bench when he’s pouting and loafing?
Can he be a strong leader? Drew knows the game. We’ll see if he can step up and be a head coach.
Big A Hawks Fan
June 12th, 2010
10:28 am
Been a Hawks, Falcons and Braves season ticket holder for a long time and this is the most interesting decision I have seen! Leave it to the ASG to leave me saying “Wow!” Once again it shows that not everyone with money is smart! Does the “Silver Spoon” theory apply here?
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
June 12th, 2010
10:29 am
Melvin
June 11th, 2010
10:41 pm
ha,ha… now we know who place the knife in Woody’s back….lol
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Bill
June 12th, 2010
10:35 am
Why change coaches? The material is on hand to challenge for the NBA championship. Now, the Hawks will delay their progress by selecting someone with no head coaching. Someone who is going to take a year or two to adjust and adapt to learn how to lead from the bench! It’s also a bad sign if the players like him!
Grhone
June 12th, 2010
10:36 am
What’s so hard about giving this guy a chance? At least he knows the team.
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
June 12th, 2010
10:37 am
Sources: “Drew sold soul to acquire HC Job in Atlanta.”
big b
June 12th, 2010
10:48 am
make sure we keep Mark Price as an asst coach
freshd
June 12th, 2010
10:52 am
I like the choice and I think DREW will be a great coach. He also has a son around the age of some of the hawks young guys so I think he will be able to relate to them and be firm when he has to. By the way, his son could start for the HAWKS at PG. Lets hope he brings in some new assistant coaches to bring a new look to the team.
Sautee
June 12th, 2010
10:54 am
Irrespective of which of the three were chosen, my reaction would be the same:
Wait until you actually SEE the team play.
Those who are wallowing in negativity are foolishly wasting their energy. It’s a lot like young children not getting their way.
But for those who seem to need hope, I’ll offer this thought:
Pat Riley and Phil Jackson were both assistant coaches who were promoted from within. Combined they have 14 rings.
O'Brien
June 12th, 2010
10:56 am
Did TS say woody was “grooming Larry drew”? That’s funny. Is your boss at work grooming you?
Big ray,
Didn’t Avery Johnson sign a 3 year deal too?
As for drew’s 2 year deal, bulls also gave vinny a 2 year, so it does happen. I do think drew should get a 3 year deal though
lewis
June 12th, 2010
10:58 am
I thought the hawks shoulda interviewed Vinny
Melvin
June 12th, 2010
11:07 am
Marc Stein makes some good points….
http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-freeagency-100612/coaching-carousel
i_am_soulstar
June 12th, 2010
11:09 am
I read that they gave him a 3 year contract on Yahoo Sports, although they’ve proved to be error-prone on occasion. I just wannna see the press conference. I’m pretty sure the journalists will have some of the same questions we have and I’d like to see what Drew’s ideas are and what was so impressive about his interview.
Dashizz357
June 12th, 2010
11:12 am
Josh Smith is gonna eat this guy for lunch……LOL……I want to see if Drew has the BALLS to sit Bibby & start Teague.
Floze
June 12th, 2010
11:22 am
I feel as though I traded in my Camry for an Accord.
doc
June 12th, 2010
11:30 am
sautee, what does the other side of the coin look like? you know, the one that measures how many flops there were as assistant coaches who took over from their predecessors? not saying drew cant geterdun, just saying, this smells of cash deficiency, once again.
cant wait to hear the behind the scenes reaction from the hawks players.
still more to come in the summer of 2010. drama, love it nba style.
ILL-logical
June 12th, 2010
11:41 am
Congratulations Coach Drew. You are embarking on a challenging journey that offers a great risk-reward ratio. The next couple of years will be a trying time for you and your family as you make the adjustments to your new status and its attendant responsibilities and demands.However, the success that every Hawks fan desires is within reach as well. Best wishes and good luck!
lewis
June 12th, 2010
11:41 am
Who runs Phoenix offense better?
Amare, Lopez, Richardson, Nash, Hill
Smith, Horford, Williams or Childress, Teague, JJ or replacement?
Keep in mind they can actually go to their bench.
Big Ray
June 12th, 2010
12:00 pm
Truth Serum ,
I don’t know for sure if this was even Sund’s decision. I know Avery was talked to about the job three times (reportedly). I know that all of the candidates were put in front of the owners by Sund. This likely came down to what the owners wanted, not what Sund ultimately wanted, but it’s Sund’s job to take the heat.
I can’t say that Drew will fail or succeed, I can only watch. What I do like is that he knows this team, and a stranger wouldn’t have that advantage. As for Sund, he has his work cut out for him this summer, ESPECIALLY if Joe Johnson does not stick around.
I don’t think promoting Drew was necessarily a step backwards, but time will prove that to be wrong or right. We shall see. However, whether or not Joe re-signs, and what Sund does to offset that if he doesn’t, will have a huge impact on whether this team goes backwards or forwards. Not to say that Drew won’t impact this as well, but you just can’t replace on court production.
drmaryb
June 12th, 2010
12:11 pm
Blue – Ray
(Sharper Image)
736 & 747 AM POSTS: Get ‘Em! That’s what a real blogger do!
Lock on them ears and bite ‘em! Spankin’ the kids is – Rich.
Negative emotions and hating is unfortunately a big part of our society. The blog simply gives us a population sample of the larger group. Most people in general are losers and they expect to lose before the game even begins.
I call them Natural Born Losers or Born to Lose. It”s NOT an attitude – no, it’s a personality disorder. What do I mean?
Thoughts create Words
Words create Actions
Actions create Character
Your character determines your Destiny.
And, that’s for real! drmaryb is gonna always – Keep it Real!
My fellow bloggers, really THINK before you speak! You quality of LIFE depends on it! You can choose to be happy or miserable. Keeping it in perspective – it’s just Basketball & is for Entertainment. Purposes only!
No one is dead on account of ASG? If hiring Larry Drew makes you mad? You have more serious issues to deal with …. $90 per hour & a firm couch might be a good place to start.
I’m just sayin’.
Big Ray
June 12th, 2010
12:12 pm
O’brien ,
A 3 year deal is the norm, the median, the average. You don’t see 4 and 5 year deals happen all that often. Not even with the bigger guns, sometimes. The deal for Larry Drew is two years guaranteed, with an option for the third year.
Is he getting paid a few bucks less than the other guys (Thibodeau, Izzo if he signs, and some others)? Yeah. Should that be the focus? No. I’ll say it again: Scott Brooks won Coach of the Year. It got him a 2 year extension and probably not a top 10 paycheck. This is the nature of the business. While a coach’s salary doesn’t count against the cap, it still counts against the budget of the ownership.
The day I start complaining about a coach’s salary is the day we lose a good coach because we don’t pay him enough. Until then…I’m more concerned how much we spend for a good player. If you ask me, there wasn’t a single coach out there that was available, that was worth big money. That includes Avery Johnson, who IMHO owes part of his winning record to inheriting a very talented team with a superstar already on it….
O'Brien
June 12th, 2010
12:20 pm
I think another positive for drew is he has a better idea about JJ’s likes and dislikes. A new Guy Would not know.
MC’s article talks about some of these issues (chemistry, lack of accountability, favoritism, too many ISO joes ).
Drew knows first hand, so that gives him a head start
Ramon
June 12th, 2010
12:30 pm
Big Ray, if the budget for coaching staff is $10 mil, I’d rather have the HC take up as least as possible, so the assistant staff can be as good and deep as possible. Maybe now the Hawks can afford that advance scout that they haven’t had.
ASG is cheap!
June 12th, 2010
12:48 pm
F*** ASG, I will never spend my hard earned money on a mediocre product like the Hawks. I’m not surprised though, outside of the Falcons, Atlanta sports has the worst owners in all of sports. We needed a new voice, but decided on a voice that has been here all along. We needed a new identity, but it was an epic fail. I hope all Hawks fans see what ASG is about and continues to leave Phillips Arena empty. After 23 years of rooting for the Hawks, I’m finished. Thanks ASG, take your a$$es back to Boston.
JeJe
June 12th, 2010
1:07 pm
“Marvin was both Woody and Billy’s pick. Back when they were agreeing on things, that is. CP3 was considered too small, Deron too slow, and Rondo without a jumpshot”
Rondo wasn’t in that draft.
Every coach needs to look at what Doc Rivers is doing. His BENCH was playing well so the STARTERS requested for the BENCH to stay in. When was the last time Joe or Josh did something like that?
I really want to see an article about Drew’s philosophies and what he plans to do. he is not making any money as a coach (1.3 is garbage money for a coach) so I hope he still works hard
wuffe
June 12th, 2010
1:08 pm
I eat and breath NBA basketball. As a fan.. I want to welcome Larry Drew to the Hawks. Please do not listen to the fans as they throw coach Woodson under the bus. Coach Woodson , an Honorable man gave his all to the Hawks in the last 5 years and left a 53 game winner. Perhaps Coach Drew will leave the defensive aspect of the team in place as this was Woodys strong suit and you will add your Offense which you are known for. Sadly, the previous coach did not have the tools to work with as you will soon learn , a true center and a point guard. The GM drafted poorly. I assure you Teague will answer the call at PG and Rick Sund will not jeapordize his new choice of coach and will find you a Center. Dont worry if Joe Johnson leaves as we need a player with more fire. We need to use our max on a Rudy Gay. Teague and Rudy Gay back court . Now thats fire.
Section 303
June 12th, 2010
1:09 pm
Melvin, that was a good link. Great read.
I’m firmly in the group that does not care if Joe Johnson resigns or not. If the organization has to “sell him” on Coach Drew, then he can just leave. And, if he does come back, he owes season ticket holders an apology. I won’t get past the comments that retard made until I hear “I’m sorry” come out of his mouth.
Truth Serum
June 12th, 2010
1:09 pm
*almost aways win.
Section 303
June 12th, 2010
1:10 pm
wuffe, good post. Don’t know if I agree on Rudy Gay, but don’t know if I disagree, either.
drmaryb
June 12th, 2010
1:12 pm
Truth Serum
Dang! Is it Sunday? Because T-Serum is spitting the –
“Truth, the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth – so, help me God!”
Amen! …….. From the congregation.
Grandad
June 12th, 2010
1:14 pm
drmaryb: I saw you on board & I needed to ask;
Have you read “The Shack” yet?
Let me know when you finish…Love, G-dad.
I also need to clarify my remarks from yesterday:
I wish LD all the success in the world.
Just as I did Woody [when he began].
My disappointment was not from the hiring of
Larry Drew but the entangled way that it came about.
The poor guy could not even get his 1st job, being promoted
by the home team with trumpets sounding. Only bickering
followed by crickets chirping just before the collective – Huh?.
I truly want the man to succeed.
But I’m puzzled:
owners – He’s our Alvin Gentry ???.
Alvin Gentry had the opportunity to fail [HC] , learn, fail again,
learn again under D’Antoni before he was given a 3rd chance in PHX.
LD learning what [?] under the master [ahem] Woodson.
Big Ray & Sautee I want you to know that I am pullin’ for ‘Larry’.
2 yrs. guaranteed @ 1.2 easily bought out if Doc is available after
a 1 yr hiatus. Or even as a 1.2 mil. asst. to Doc in his [LD's]
(yr.2) pre-arranged ??? something to chew on.
*Hatter* – you perked me up, my friend !
“But then reality sets in and I realize that this is a ‘BRAIN FART” OF GASTRIC PORPORTIONS!” * that was funny *
ballhawker
June 12th, 2010
1:23 pm
@ Daviddecatur
Byron Scott led the New Jersey Nets to the NBA Finals twice without a superstar on the roster.He also took the Hornets deep into the playoffs. Scott can flat out coach, on the flip side he is a no- nonsense coach. It appears that some players and organizations has BLACK_BALLED him.It is odd that out of the four in need of a coach, no one interviewed him.Go figure.
Ken Strickland
June 12th, 2010
1:29 pm
The Hawks won 53 gms last yr, finished 3rd in the East and swept the Celtics. The Celtics won 50 gms, finished 4th in the East and was swept by the Hawks.
I want all of you delusional WOODY LOVERS to be honest with yourselves and answer honestly.
(1) Would you rather settle for what the Hawks accomplished during the regular season compared to the Celtics, or
(2) Would you rather settle for what the Celtics are currently accomplished during the playoffs?
I don’t see how you can configure your mouths to say you want the Hawks to be an elite and/or championship caliber team, and at the same time say we should have rehired HC MWoodson, after 2yrs of seeing his gross incompetence as a playoff caliber HC.
Woodson is gone, and LDrew is our new HC, so get use to it. Woodson will eventually get another job with a team that wants to rebuild, and he’ll take them as far as he can. Hopefully, he’ll learn from his mistakes and become a better HC, I certainly hope so.
Under LDrew, the Hawks will be committed to running the ball. They will also be committed to developing and playing young, quick, fast and athletic PG’s, and won’t make stupid, bone headed excuses for not doing so. You will see us use more than a 6-7 man rotation, and probably more pick and rolls, rather than ISO’s. We’ll certainly be a better DEF team, and there will be more imagination and options to our half court OFF.
Now, some of you are probably asking yourselves, how in the hell does he know all of this. Well, common sense tells me that Sund and the ASG discussed this with Drew. And since these were some of the Hawks primary problems, a solution to these problems had to be mandated before any decision was made on who they hired.
Everyone but Woodson and his WOODY LOVERS knew the Hawks were at their offensive best when they ran, and were at their defensive worst with Bibby at PG. Making Teague the primary PG, getting Marvin back on track, upgrading our half court OFF, and developing and utilizing our bench more effectively, will automatically make us a much much better team overall.
When we get JJ resigned, we’ll be the team to beat in the East. And all of you negative minded haters, who want the team to fail just because the ASG didn’t hire the HC you wanted, I hope you suffer throughout the entire season. Larry Drew might not be an entirely different voice, but he’ll present an entirely different mindset and way of getting things done. He’ll also bring with him the positive things the team had become accustomed. I think the players had a lot to do with why LDrew was hired.
Grandad
June 12th, 2010
1:32 pm
*Hatter*
I only intended to post once today.
(exception being a response to Mary Ellen)
But I must say that was your most;
lucid, well thought out, and presented posting
since you and I have become friends.
I will not parse points with you today my friend.
‘TS’ – I would like to encourage you to read:
“The Shack”
by ‘William P. Young’
It’s not a basketball book about nor the autobiography of:
Shaquille O’Neal
In all seriousness – if you get a chance.
Sincerely, G-dad.
Hawks???
June 12th, 2010
1:33 pm
Congratulations! I wish him the very best of luck… cuz he’s gonna need it.
ceejay
June 12th, 2010
1:35 pm
It goes to show The Atlanta Spirit never intended to spend money on a proven coach anyway! It was a dog and pony show parading Avery, Casey, and Scott. Truth is the spirit don’t have the finances for any of the top candidates. This isn’t a Sund hiring but rather a move by the ownership. You know Sund wanted Avery or Casey because they were interviewed several times by Sund. Drew came at the end as a quick fix to an embarassing saga for the spirit yet again! We might as well have kept Woody if we were going to get someone from his camp. What this team needs is someone who won’t cater to Joe! Someone who can make Marvin be the talent he should be as a former number 2 pick. Someone who will push Josh to all star status!! Maybe mr. Drew will surprise me because making the playoffs and exiting early every season isn’t progress just a regressing of an organization so close but so far away!!!
O'Brien
June 12th, 2010
1:36 pm
Truth serum,
When you are grooming somebody, you give them more responsibility, like what doc did with thibodeau in boston. Not only was thibodeau responsible for the defense, he also shared some of the coaching duties.
When you are grooming somebody, you give them more input, use some of their suggestions.
It is widely reported how stubborn Woody was. And Woody himself sad he ignores his assistants advice.
Does that sound like grooming to you?
Now, some of you are probably asking yourselves,
June 12th, 2010
1:37 pm
Is this woody hater a fool or an idiot…My friends I say both!
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1:37 pm
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Truth-Serum
June 12th, 2010
1:43 pm
O’brien perhaps you care to circulate some of the widely reported literature you refer to.
drmaryb Thanks for the shout out. Amen back at cha!
Grandad Its going to be a very interesting season for basketball. Im still searching for the rationale for this hire. Doesnt matter much. This is it. What you see is what you get. My question on the table is “are the Hawks better now than the culmination of the past few season’s . If you make a directional change it has to be upward.
Rick Sund
June 12th, 2010
1:44 pm
count cadence, count ….triple to the rea…rr M A R C H!!
drmaryb
June 12th, 2010
1:45 pm
Grand-Daddy
I ve been up all morning trolling the blog hallways, roof tops and bunkers looking for you.
Glad to see you’re still kicking.
Perk up Grand-Daddy! Don’t sound so weary … Don’t let the ASG make you feel like you ate MSG.
They have of way of wearing on us fans – just too many bitchy owners. Can you imagine
One guy being married to 8 women. I don’t know how the Mormons do it?
I mean really: “8 is more than enough”. Forget about the who the Coach is – we’re not there yet!
(Are we there yet?). Hell no, we’re not even close!
Once we get the players we have playing their “RIGHT” positions, then we can focus on our BIGS.
Yes we need 2 centers on this team, one to start and one to spell the other (a tag team).
From there, stack the bench with a solid player at 1 through 5.
Then the Coach can play his instrument and pluck all the notes in their right keys!
I.E. (In a perfect world!). RSund has a lot of work to do & all eyes are on him now (as it should be).
We can forget about the Clampetts’ in the owner’s circle! that is what it are! (Yes I said – Are).
Please Smile for your Grand-Baby? ; 0
The Truth
June 12th, 2010
1:47 pm
This reportis perhaps the most damaging indictment against JJ to date as we enter into the FA season. I knew his stock would fall some from the sub par playoff performance but the suggestion here is that he should now be replace from the upper-echelon FA class. Forget about Lebron and Wade, according to this report, JJ name should not even be in the same conversation with players like Chris Bosh or A’mare Stoudemire. It is one thing when the FA player takes a popularity nose dive from unsubstantiated things but JJ shortcomings are well documented. The world has witness him laying eggs in the playoff on too many occasions. The word seems to out and his agent can’t spin this thing as a bad fit. The Hawk’s offense was tailor-made for JJ and he “stanked” it up. If this is truly the perception around the league about JJ, then he should check is ego at the door and rethink the Hawks last offer. That is if the want to offer the same amount of money. Maybe it’s time for Sund to play hardball or shall I say “Low-ball” here.
JeJe
June 12th, 2010
1:47 pm
HOW DO U INTERVIEW 3 OUTSIDE COACHES YET THEN U DECIDE TO INTERVIEW DREW. MORONS
For those who missed it Woodys' gone fishing.
June 12th, 2010
1:50 pm
Now, some of you are probably asking yourselves, how in the hell does this woody hater continue to put his foot in his mouth and talk at the same time. Sir, Do you mind taking your foot out of your mouth while you are talking. You are scaring the kids.
Ken Strickland
June 12th, 2010
1:52 pm
TRUTH SERUM-are you telling everyone that:
(1) replacing MBibby as the starting PG, reducing his mins and not allowing his poor DEF to be a burden on the entire starting team isn’t an improvement.
(2) starting Teague, who can penetrate, create easier scoring opportunities for other, play DEF, maintain an uptempo OFF and beat pressure DEF’s and start the OFF below the 3pt line, isn’t an improvement.
(3) actually making an effort to improve Marvin’s overall production won’t be an improvement.
(4) improving the overall DEF, by having a PG that actually plays DEF and his man, rather than having our C’s and PF’s playing PG’s or SG’s, won’t be an improvement.
(5) adding options and improvements to our half court OFF, consistently playing uptempo and maintaining more consistent ball movement won’t be an improvement.
If your answer to any of these questions is NO, then I have to ask you if YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BASKETBALL, other than your undying affection for a former NBA HC named Mike Woodson?
Rufus1
June 12th, 2010
1:56 pm
Great Post Ken..1:29pm
If the only change Larry Drew makes is at the PG, then it was worth firing Woodson.
JeJe
June 12th, 2010
1:57 pm
We all know Woody picked favorites but which young players did he yell at the most besides Teague? It sounded like there were multiple young players this year but Teague should be the only one. Or maybe it was referring to past years too (Acie and Salim)?
Rondo
June 12th, 2010
1:58 pm
The hiring of Drew lets me c that i need to change how i look at my job.U know what, im going to start kissing more butt and dry snitching on my fellow employees then i can b the man one day.Now i see that its ok to have a little brown on ur nose as long as you r getting ahead.Thank u Sund and ASG for my new motivations!!
Truth-serum
June 12th, 2010
1:59 pm
Woodson did an excellent job of training the 7th point guard drafted last year. Im sure he will be better this year.
What will make the hawks better instantly is having an aggressive physical presence in the 5 spot not named Horford who can defend the basket regarless of whether an itty bitty guard or another center is in the paint.
What a Shame
June 12th, 2010
2:00 pm
This is crazy. If you wanted the same results, why not just keep Woody? Drew learned under Woody and their coaching styles (and end results) will be the same.
drmaryb
June 12th, 2010
2:00 pm
Ceejay
No one can make Marvin be something he clearly is not! It’s been six years for him to step up his game.
Making the playoffs every yerar and exiting? Ha! We have been in the playoffs for 3 consecutive years out of the past 13 years! If you didn’t appreciate what the last coach accomplished then? You my friend will certainly appreciate it now!
For some reason, we fans have tasted a little bit of success & overnight we become filled with the
arrogance of a storied franchise! Where does that come from?
Apparently, we needed to move on with a new HC – “a different voice, they say”, OK I concede that is
true – but, more importantly, we also need some different PLAYERS!
Re-sign Joe, get us a center or two, stack the bench and let’s go!
Atlanta for Life
June 12th, 2010
2:02 pm
I now hate this management. Born and bred, I gotta find a team with management that knows how to hire winners. Go Spurs, Lakers, Celtics, etc.
A True Hawks Fan
June 12th, 2010
2:04 pm
I’m not angry about this hire but I am uncomfortable with it. You always have to wait and see with situations like this. Advantage is he’s not new to the team and don’t have to give time to develop relationships with the players. Also know the his offense is not ISO heavy. I just don’t approve of experimenting with a first time head coach with a conference finals caliber team! Being a head coach is a different ball game then being the assistant. The teams play reflects the head coach personality!
brown ooze in the seat of your shorts
June 12th, 2010
2:04 pm
I agree, we should not show Kobe or Lebron Wade Bosh or JJ any more favor than we show the guy just signed from the D league.
If fact scew lebron lets build around sammy sausage head. Lets give Sammy lebrons chair.
NO team ever plays favorites.
♥Mz. Hawkdafied♥
June 12th, 2010
2:09 pm
Bottom line Hawks fans will never be satisfied until the Hawks are world champs. We are a small nation that will never agree on what route the organization needs to take to become world champs. Period.
Some fans wanted Avery Johnson, some fans didn’t.
Some fans wanted Mark Jackson, some fans didn’t.
Some fans wanted Dwane Casey, some fans didn’t.
Some fans wanted Larry Drew, some fans didn’t.
Some fans wanted Mike Woodson, some fans didn’t.
Some fans wanted ____________, some fans didn’t.
It’ s clear that whatever coaching decision the ASG/Rick Sund made some fans were not gonna agree because the choice could only be one and not all of the above and whoever else the fans wanted.
One thing most everyone involved with the Hawks could agree on is the team needed a coaching change. Guess what? The change happened in the form of Larry Drew.
Now that the team has a coach, it’s time to move on to getting the most out of the draft and free agency.
Go Hawks! Go Head Coach Larry Drew! ♥
Rondo
June 12th, 2010
2:10 pm
Atlanta for life-Didn’t the Spurs get swept in the first round by the Suns.The Spurs organization is on the decline the hawks r on the rise.
Rondo
June 12th, 2010
2:13 pm
Drmaryb-Isn’t the bench already stacked with players that Woody didn’t know how to use.
drmaryb
June 12th, 2010
2:16 pm
Rondo
Not really. We could replace: Collins, Morris, West, Smith … Crawford, Teague & Zsa are good!
lewis
June 12th, 2010
2:17 pm
Assuming Drew manages to keep JJ and JChildress,
Starting 5
PG- J. Teague
SG – J. Johnson
SF – J. Childress
PF – J. Smith
C – A. Horford
Bench:
PG – Mike Bibby
SG – Mo Evans
SF – Marvin Williams
PF – Please trade Jamal for a legitimate 25 mpg backup big.
C – Zaza Pachulia
does this look like a championship roster?
Rondo
June 12th, 2010
2:20 pm
The greatest 6 man in the nba crawford is tradeable come on Good Doctor.
jj
June 12th, 2010
2:22 pm
hey
Rondo
June 12th, 2010
2:23 pm
Hey Parker Lewis how is Jamal going to play power forward!!Your Fired!!
♥Mz. Hawkdafied♥
June 12th, 2010
2:23 pm
Oh yeah, the draft and free agency yet another thing for everyone not to agree on.
Someone’s not gonna be happy about the choices made then too. :-/
Nookah
June 12th, 2010
2:26 pm
Ken Strick,
Great post. I endorse all you said. I can’t imagine why the majority of us would have a problem with Drew when we have not even seen him coach a game. Can’t say I am surprised as history is replete with examples of “fair-weather” ATL fans in all sports. Just look at 2 years ago with the Falcons and what are we saying now about Mike Smith and the Falcons? I guess the expectations have risen to the ceiling there.
I wish Drew and the Hawks nothing but the best for the future and you can bet I’ll be cheering and supporting them for all 82 next year and into the post season. We have a relatively young and athletic core of players and we have not used our strongest feature to our advantage because of the philosophy of our previous coach. Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate what Woody did for us but he was clearly unable to take us to the next level and we had to move on.
I also challenge anyone who is going to judge Drew because he worked under Woody. I certainly hope for their sake that if they are up for a promotion in their own jobs, that they will not be evaluated based on their previous supervisor and or manager’s performance.
I honestly think it will be a new approach by Drew and after 14 years of learning in the “catbird” seat, he can bring a lot to the HC’ing position for the Hawks. I am also sure he will utilize his assets in a much better way.
I am looking forward to the new season and hope we can get a good centre and one more dead-eye shooter.
Go Hawks!!!!
Rondo
June 12th, 2010
2:28 pm
Mz. Hawk this is a blogg get use 2 it! Your Fired!!
CAN.THE.SEASON.START.FIRST
June 12th, 2010
2:30 pm
HIGH PROFILE! HIGH PROFILE! Thas all everybody keeps saying. How do you think they became HIGH PROFILE!. You just dont wake up one morning & become HIGH PROFILE! I guess all the HIGH PROFILE coaches are going to split the trophy this year. Just because you have a HIGH PROFILE coach does not mean you are going to win the trophy. Give the man a shot..I went to 36 out of 42 home games last year & it sure look like Woody was calling all of the stupid calls in the heat of the moment. He decided to keep running ISO Joe not Drew. Now to the 26 year Hawks fan that is a fan no more because of the coach that has not coached a game yet!… you must of lost your job or something & can’t afford to go to the games anymore & need a good excuse to tell your friends why you dont go to the games anymore. I think you guys want a HIGH PROFILE! coach more then you want to win.
drmaryb
June 12th, 2010
2:34 pm
Rondo
No way, I NEVER EVER said trade anybody, much less crawford!
You asked wasn’t the bench already stacked. I said No it is not! Go back and read,
I said Crawford, Teague & Zsa are good, because they were on the bench last season!
Geez! We need to know if JJ re-signs first and foremost. Get a center & then worry about a damn bench – in that order!
Rondo
June 12th, 2010
2:36 pm
Sorry Good Doctor don’t sic the old man on me.
Grandad
June 12th, 2010
2:37 pm
drmaryb:
Tryin to leave for a spell & you keep drawin’ me back in.
Don’t forget to read that book.
It will bless the both of us for you to do so.
I’m not sad – I’m happy for Larry.
Wishin’ him all the good fortune he’s willin’ to work for.
The ball is lit’rally in his court.
Mary Ellen – one pearl for you today:
if he falls to us @ 24;
Luke Babbitt, 6-9 [3] sm. forward (white boy)
played his freshman yr. for Mark Fox @ Nevada
Offensive stud /defense – [JJ Redick] (only 6-9)
to use a Bill Simmons term – he’ a *50, 40, 90 player.
*fg, 3 pt. fg, ft, percentages.
Don’t forget – let me know about “The Shack”.
Rondo – Your makin’ a lot of sense today.
♥Mz. Hawkdafied♥ – Haven’t heard from you in awhile. Great Post.
lewis
June 12th, 2010
2:38 pm
Jamal inconsistently scores 18 points a night in an ISO offense that caters to him.
Jamal consistently plays questionable defense.
Give me Tony Allen’s defensive stoppage over Jamal Crawford’s instant offense any time, any day.
Rondo
June 12th, 2010
2:40 pm
I apologize for the other day G-Pops and C-Dog
O'Brien
June 12th, 2010
2:40 pm
Ken Strickland,
Co-sign 1:29 post.
Truth serum,
How did the aggressive post presence of Dwight Howard work against the Celtics? The same Celtics who were who were swept by the hawks.
As for the JJ article, it will be interesting to see what his price demands are. I hope he is not holding out for a 6 year contract from the hawks.
Rondo
June 12th, 2010
2:43 pm
Parker Lewis – Tony Allen can not even create his own shot.He is a great defender but no scoring threat.Why trade a garbage man for a true scorer.
The Truth
June 12th, 2010
2:47 pm
This statement by JJ is also interesting (to say the least); in light of his preceived falling stock price:
A person with knowledge of Johnson’s plans said he’s open to returning, but the new coach would have to sell him on trusting his teammates more on offense and ensure him that the team’s chemistry would improve.
Joey
June 12th, 2010
2:52 pm
Good luck Larry Drew!!! Tweak this team, get the bosses to get some help here and there, and let’s keep moving forward!
drmaryb
June 12th, 2010
2:56 pm
Grand-Daddy
I forgot the central question! I bought The Shack this Tuesday, but got food poisoning later that night.
Uuggh! Went to Publix & bought a rotisserie chicken and a fresh pineapple, oh yeah!
I returned it three days later after I felt better. However, I will read it tomorrow, probably in one sitting!
Thanks for asking again & I will let you know how it helped me out! -smile-
I can’t believe you said, ” Mary Ellen & Pearl” in the same sentence. People who know me, know that wearing
Pearls? Well that’s my trade mark! That’s what I am FAMOUS for…ever since 2 years old when I sneaked
Into my Mom’s (RIP) jewelry box and put on the earrings, necklace and cameo broaches to sleep in!
(Feels like you’ve known me all my life). … OK, I’ll stop from tearing! -smile-
Ok: Luke Babbit 6′9″ of Nevada under Mike Fox… I will google him! The Hawks could use a guy like that!
Looks like the consensus is not very high on Joe Johnson looking for Max Money.
In this fleeting economy, he may never see 4 years @ $60 Milly again….(Somerhing about looking a gift horse in the mouth?). That arrogance may come back and bite ole boy on the azz! Heh!
bigdave
June 12th, 2010
2:57 pm
Hornets to Make Collison Available?
Posted: 6/12/2010 9:01:00 AM
Source: Marc Stein of ESPN.com
Rival executives will continue to try to convince the Hornets to make Chris Paul available in trades, pointing to the fact that Williams can simply slide the promising Darren Collison and his modest $1.4 million salary into that spot. When those teams get shot down, look for the Hornets — based on the hints we’ve received from more than one exec — to make Collison available as long as the interested party is willing to take back the cap-clogging contract of Emeka Okafor, James Posey or Peja Stojakovic with Paul’s backup.
Williams legitimately does rank as one of the league’s better bench prospects. He got his start in under Gregg Popovich in San Antonio’s 2004-05 championship season and quickly progressed to the point where he was doing a fair bit of the in-game coaching for Nate McMillan in Portland this season after an Achilles tear cost McMillan much of his mobility
Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/HeadlineStories.asp?lc=NBA&c=1&TEAM_ID=&PLAYER_ID=&hd=20100612#STORY_26577#ixzz0qfOorEvc
The Truth
June 12th, 2010
3:00 pm
JJ says the new coach needs to sell him on trusting his team mates more on offense; and this guy was the Hawks team leader. This is how you spell “Hog Ball” If JJ is resigned; Coach Drew job just got harder.
lewis
June 12th, 2010
3:00 pm
Crawford, like JJ, also perpetuates the lack of ball movement on offense.
There are benches like PHX that can do it all, score, come back from deficits, and defend to be successful.
Then there are benches like the Lakers, who can score somewhat, but are most comfortable keeping leads or keeping deficits close. They don’t put up insane numbers, they just win games.
Then there are benches like the Hawks, in which scoring consists of Jamal Crawford and which defending consists of Zaza Pachulia. Jamal’s weakness as a defender does not off set his inconsistent offense.
drmaryb
June 12th, 2010
3:11 pm
Rondo
Every team needs a Tony Allen to lock down a Black-Mamba on the perimeter!
1 ball 10 hands – Everybody can’t be shooting! Tony is the biggest reason Celtics win game 4!
Are you sure your name is Rondo? Or an impersonator?
The Lakers got Ron Artest for the same role!
dub366
June 12th, 2010
3:17 pm
all of you see in the future ahead need to stop all the bull sh_t and give the man a chance. Drew is a better coach than what we had when Billy Knight tried to fire Woody.Just give the man a chance at least you’ll see a offense.
wcj
June 12th, 2010
3:22 pm
IF management allow Larry Drew to trade and draft the players he will need to win a NBA champtionship, he will be a success, however if management continues to try win cheaply it will be a short Head Coaching career.
Grandad
June 12th, 2010
3:26 pm
Rondo – no need for self-reproach.
Everything is cool.
bigdave:
Taking on Okafor’s egregious contract could be
countermanded somewhat if they took back Bibby’s
contract which would give them back-up @ the [1].
win > < win
Understanding there would be other logistics within the trade.
ksiujgth
June 12th, 2010
3:29 pm
THE ASG COULD SAVE EVEN MORE MONEY AND HAVE DREW ALSO COACH THE HOCKEY
light bulb came on
June 12th, 2010
3:30 pm
O’Brien
June 12th, 2010
2:40 pm
Ken Strickland,
Co-sign 1:29 post.
Truth serum,
How did the aggressive post presence of Dwight Howard work against the Celtics? The same Celtics who were who were swept by the hawks.
We aint the celtics and this aint about the celtic or how to help orlando get pass the celtic. Its about the Hawks weakness not orlando’s
We lost because we could not respond to anything in the paint we also struggled against an average team in the post (milwaukee)
To use how Boston was able to match and cancel out orlando’s strenght with better personnel does not make atlanta any more competitive and puts us no closer to the championship round. The question is not why did orlando lose to the celtics the question is why did the Hawks struggle inside against Milwaukee and get dominated in the post against orlando. At the least be relevant.
I think you have your cities mixed up.
light bulb came on
June 12th, 2010
3:34 pm
Starting 5
PG- J. Teague
SG – J. Johnson
SF – J. Childress
PF – J. Smith
C – A. Horford
Bench:
PG – Mike Bibby
SG – Mo Evans
SF – Marvin Williams
PF – Please trade Jamal for a legitimate 25 mpg backup big.
C – Zaza Pachulia
does this look like a championship roster?
NO but It should at the least make the playoffs as a 7th or 8th seed.
northcyde
June 12th, 2010
3:34 pm
All I’ll say, is that I tried to tell ya’ll what was up, when I posted this a month ago . . .
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northcyde
May 17th, 2010
2:37 pm
Question: IS THIS A CHAMPIONSHIP LEVEL FAN BASE?
I think we all know the question to that.
For all of the people that just expect this ownership group to go out and spend money, that’s the question that Hawk fans need to ask ourselves. Are we a championship level fan base?
HAWKS ATTENDANCE NUMBERS:
Home wins: 34
Home wins the last 2 seasons: 65 . . ( tied for best 2-year mark in franchise history )
Avg home attendance 2010: 16,545 . . ( 18th in the league )
Avg home attendance 2009: 16,748 . . ( 20th in the league )
Avg home capacity % 2010: 88.3% . . ( 19th in the league )
Ave home capacity % 2009: 89.4% . . ( 20th in the league )
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There have been those on this board who have said . . . “win, and they will come”. Well . . they/we came a little LESS this year, despite us having a better product on the floor. So a harsh reality is going to have to be realized by this fan base. Especially the hard core fans in the fan base.
You CAN’T expect management to go ALL OUT to build a championship product, if the fans don’t make more of a commitment to go to the games. 12 of the top 13 teams in home capacity % made the playoffs. And they all had capacity percentages above 95%. This means that the revenue was flowing on a nightly basis. And most of those teams had higher ticket prices than we do.
This year, our capacity % was on the level of the New Orleans Hornets, whose season was decimated with the loss of Chris Paul. Last year, our capacity % was 20th, while the Hornets capacity level was 8th ( at 98.7% ) . . when they were a playoff level team that won 49 games.
If fans are waiting on the Hawks to have a championship caliber team, before they really throw their support behind them, then we might be waiting forever. Without tremendous fan support at home, we really can’t expect management to go to that next level to put the type of team on the floor that we all want.
That’s the reality of the situation.
****************
I tried to tell ya’ll.
Congrats to Larry Drew. He will have my full support. And if the players are still messing up, like they did under Woody, I’ll defend Drew the same way I did Woody.
The history of this league shows that merely doing a coaching change is not enough. Personnel has to change as well, in order for the new coach to be successful.
drmaryb
June 12th, 2010
3:41 pm
The Truth!
Wow! Thanks for that awesome link from the bleacher report on Joe Johnson!
Like I said earlier last week, in this economy? Joe may Never see 4 & 60 Milly ever again in his career.
(See maurice Williams logic to opt in!) At 2.5 Milly.)
Also from that same link re: dirk nowitski? He has led Dallas to 10 straight years of 50 wins & playoffs!
That is relevant because he did it with a Carousel of different coaches (in spite of the arrogant lil’ general)
That proves that this is a Players League & that I NEVER HEARD anyone say, “I’m gonna buy a ticket to see AVERY JOHNSON coach!
northcyde
June 12th, 2010
3:47 pm
drmaryb
June 12th, 2010
2:00 pm
Ceejay
No one can make Marvin be something he clearly is not! It’s been six years for him to step up his game.
Making the playoffs every yerar and exiting? Ha! We have been in the playoffs for 3 consecutive years out of the past 13 years! If you didn’t appreciate what the last coach accomplished then? You my friend will certainly appreciate it now!
For some reason, we fans have tasted a little bit of success & overnight we become filled with the
arrogance of a storied franchise! Where does that come from?
Apparently, we needed to move on with a new HC – “a different voice, they say”, OK I concede that is
true – but, more importantly, we also need some different PLAYERS!
Re-sign Joe, get us a center or two, stack the bench and let’s go!
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Listen to this woman people.
LOL . . and I don’t know where the arrogance comes from either. Like there is some long history of winning around here to the point that even small steps of success is not enough.
Almost every team in the history of the NBA has had to go through what we’re going through right now, before we got to a championship level.
But Dr. Mary is right. We have to upgrade this roster, especially the bench. That bench, for as much as people want to blame Woody for not playing them, was absolutely horrible for most of the year ( outside of Jamal ). LOL . . that’s the reason why they didn’t play.
After Sund resolves the JJ issue ( for better or for worse ), he MUST upgrade the rest of the team. We need some people who are either going to make Mo and Zaza play harder in order to stay in the rotation . . or be better than Mo and Zaza to keep them off the floor.
Schultz in Mianus (CT)
June 12th, 2010
3:49 pm
Hawks are cheapskates.
The Truth
June 12th, 2010
3:51 pm
drmaryb
That was on point!!
That proves that this is a Players League & that I NEVER HEARD anyone say, “I’m gonna buy a ticket to see AVERY JOHNSON coach!
drmaryb
June 12th, 2010
3:59 pm
BigDave
Thank for that link up there! That was an awesome read. I appreciate all the RESEARCHERS on this here blog – big time !!!!!!!!!!
A special Mmmmmwah! For bigdave!
Big Ray
June 12th, 2010
3:59 pm
Truth Serum ,
You know where I stand and what I have to say. What you say I’m saying is NOT what I’m saying, so I’m not going for the bait. I don’t have to defend Sund. He has a job still, that speaks for itself.
If it’s all about the players (a center and a pg), then it should not matter who is coaching, right? Uh-huh….
There’s no point in me “defending” Horford. 32 NBA coaches did it for me when they named him an all-star.
JeJe
June 12th, 2010
4:04 pm
I HOPE DREW WILL CHANGE UP THE STARTING LINEUP, RATHER THAN WOODY WHO KEPT THE SAME DAMN STARTING LINEUP REGARDLESS OF WHETHER BIBBY AND MARVIN WERE PRODUCING (THEY WEREN’T)
Big Ray
June 12th, 2010
4:05 pm
For those who are still yapping about the coaching change not being the only, or even most necessary move this franchise needs to make:
This is the only dang change that could possibly be made this time of year.
Free agency doesn’t start until July 1st.
The Draft isn’t here until late June.
The roster isn’t set for next season.
Just stop, okay? Just STOP. The cart has NEVER gone in front of the horse…
Big Ray
June 12th, 2010
4:07 pm
Northcyde ,
Almost every team in the history of the NBA has had to go through what we’re going through right now, before we got to a championship level.
You mean like making a coaching change, as well as roster changes? Agreed.
Big Ray
June 12th, 2010
4:11 pm
JeJe ,
I don’t see how he can’t . But before Drew can decide who is best used in the starting lineup, and who is best used by coming off the bench, Rick Sund has to get this roster set. Nobody will know anything for sure until Joe makes his decision, and other issues are dealt with thereafter.
drmaryb
June 12th, 2010
4:14 pm
Rondo
BTW I love your name on here! That’s the only way we fans will ever have our very own Rondo.
We also have our very own “Doc”. He’s been a blog favorite for years!
Rondo, I love you and your wonderful posts! You bring: logic, fire, passion and insight to this blog!
And you are appreciated! No apologies ever needed … Keep it coming!
My Grand-Daddy loves you too. We may not be the starters on this blog – but we make one hell of a bench! LOL!
terrell
June 12th, 2010
4:15 pm
Fratello out, Weiss in. All over again.
Cheap
June 12th, 2010
4:17 pm
The hawks will make the playoffs and go out in round 1 or 2, as usual. More of the same mediocrity with their great new exciting coach!!!!!!!!!!
JeJe
June 12th, 2010
4:19 pm
GREAT COACHING ARTICLE ON THE HAWKS PAGE. FUNNY HOW WOODY COACHED FROM 2003-2010, EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS STOTTS COACHED IN 2003 TOO
FIRE LARRY KNAPP
A true Hawks fan
June 12th, 2010
4:21 pm
Drew is a snake, he got in bed with Sund, and all this talk about teh players did not get along with his player go back and read what the players said about Woody it was good. I think Drew sold his sole to the devil to get this job. Be careful Drew
cp
June 12th, 2010
4:40 pm
A true Hawks fan wtf are you talking about. Did you not read the blog a few weeks ago where the players pretty said they were glad Woodson was gone?. They didn’t like how he didnt hold everyone accountable, they didn’t like that he played favorites, they didn’t like the offense. Seriously where have you been hiding? I don’t know what it is about the summer time on this blog but it brings some of the silliest posters here to post pure nonsense.
smart shopper
June 12th, 2010
4:44 pm
we need name brand players because we all like to get name brand everything. Only thing you see in the a is big time players including paul rat face pierce. You see the braves sell heyward. so cheap team. when you go buy cereal you want fruit loops not fruity o’s.
light bulb came on
June 12th, 2010
4:48 pm
Thats a very fair statement true hawks fan. Im sure there are others around the NBA and In the Hawks locker room who feel the same way. Thats a fair statement
Bob Wiess
June 12th, 2010
4:50 pm
pretty much.
drmaryb
June 12th, 2010
4:50 pm
NorthCyde
Thanks for the holla-back!
Spankin’ the kids is – well, Rich.
Looks like JJ will re-sign, I thought he would – historically, most UFAs do. He may never see that old offer again tho. “A HAWK in the hand is – better than 2 in the Bush!” I guess he skipped math class that day?
The Truth
And nothing but The Truth! Thanks for handing me the relay baton.
The Truth? Most people can’t handle the TRUTH. Why? Because, then action is required on the part of the hearer. It’s a lot easier to complain than to change. Change, requires effort, courage, heart, discipline and most importantly – CHARACTER.
When someone says, “Don’t lie to me!”. They really want you to lie your azz off.
Keep on spittin’ that good ole TRUTH – man.
Blue-Ray
(3D – HDMI)
Get – ‘EM! Like Hawaii 5-0? You ALWAYS get your man! Keep blog-street safe & lock that azz up with a No Bond warrant. Half of ‘Em on probation anyways and shouldn’t even be dippin’ in grown folks conversations.
You always got my back-up, so – feel free to run for cover at any time!
The Ayatollah
June 12th, 2010
4:54 pm
The phrase is that if you build it, they will come. No one says if you come, they will build it.
If fan attendance is what drives an organization to attempt to be a championship contender, then someone should kindly explain why the Bulls, Knicks, Pistons, Warriors, Thunder, Raptors, and Heat were all worse off than the Hawks. All of those teams had better attendance numbers than the Hawks did, so why were they worse teams? It sounds as though the fans were being their responsible little selves and attending like good little fans should do. However they did not get their due. So if fans attend more games, then owners will spend more money and make smarter decisions? How preposterous of an idea. Tell it to the Knicks fans who are routinely top five in attendance but have been continually subjected to a bottom five product for years.
The day a fan’s dollar determines the lucidity of decision making by an owner is the day public opinion controls how the government works. Monkeys will fly and pigs will sing.
a fake hawks fan
June 12th, 2010
4:56 pm
I like to use many different names to antagonize people without them knowing it is me. Who am I? Two guess and you wont need but one.
Bob Wiess
June 12th, 2010
4:57 pm
Al “I cant block a shot” horford? Is that the guy that was added after shaq said he would not play? the guy that could not make this year all NBA team On any string? The same Hoeford that could not make the NBA All defensive team? The same al that gets blown off the block and frequently dunk on by itty bitty players? that al? Isnt he the guy most opposing coaches try and Isolate under the basket?
The Hawks will never win a championship with tradebaitAl as your center
a fake hawks fan
June 12th, 2010
4:58 pm
hawks players used to talk to drew because woody would not talk to them. hey where is woody working now? Nowhere? LMAO! If he lucky he can get a job as an assistant again but he cant hold the marker board and the magic marker anymore. he no good at X and O stuff.
Truth-Serum
June 12th, 2010
5:00 pm
drmaryb abosolutely!! Go Doc!
Hawks Fan
June 12th, 2010
5:00 pm
The city of Atlanta and the fans in this city always are reminded that they don’t support the pro teams in Atlanta, hell why should we?
Truth-Serum
June 12th, 2010
5:00 pm
*absolutely the Dr’s on fire!
a fake hawks fan
June 12th, 2010
5:05 pm
al? is that the guy who made the all star team? the guy doc rivers said the celtics hated to play against because he was so tough? that guy? He still on the team, woody aint LMAO!!!!!
Tardcyde
June 12th, 2010
5:10 pm
Atlanta fans are evil! They do not deserve a winning team because they do not attend all home games, putting aside all other things in life! Evil I say, evil!
drmaryb
June 12th, 2010
5:27 pm
Truth Serum
Thank you baby! I’m just glad the drama of: Who will the coach be? Is over. Man, we need to fix this azz – backwards roster. So many players out of position and outside of that? No seems to know their roles on this team! That was probably my biggest pet-peeve with Mr. Woodson. I could not tell for myself, who was supposed to do what and who was the specialist at any role on this team?
There was no systematic offense IMO! Everybody was just free-lancing, like a Don Nelson team or a Hot – sauce team at an And-1 tournament. The first 13 games of the year, we looked sharp! The ball was swinging like a tire on an old oak tree! I was excited – but, after that, I never saw it again this past season!
I mean, everybody was touching that rock and opponents were in disarray on defense!
We need a highly structured system on offense. An IDENTITY of who we are!
I hope Larry Drew can bring that! We need a ball slapping defense, to where – when that ball hits the floor? Itks mine, take it, deflect it, jump-ball it – I don’t care!
The last time I saw defense like that? Was when Lenny Wilkens was here.
MJ & Scottie Pippen saw it too! Pippen was qouted one night, “The Hawks led by Mookie, was swarming the ball for 48 minutes, we could not dribble the ball at all tonight!”. After a loss in the Omni.
That’s what we need. Players who are committed to doing those things & a HC who will bench the player that does not get on board. You don’t have to yell, scream nor currse (ala Lenny) – just stick that azz on the
END of the bench! That would the #15th folding seat.
That’s old school and that’s real!
Aaron
June 12th, 2010
5:29 pm
Same old stupid hawks. Why fire Woodson to give the job to his #1 assistant? We needed CHANGE to get over the 2nd round hump, without a dominant star player, isolation offenses don’t work! Why do I know this, yet a NBA GM can’t figure it out?
Man, I need a new favorite team…
Hawks73
June 12th, 2010
5:30 pm
I don’t have a problem with Larry Drew, the problem is with the perceived notion that the owners played us (fans) like fools. They did the whole song and dance and gave us the thought that they were serious about taking this team to the next level (with a PROVEN head coach), and instead they sold us a bunch of b.s. They went out and interviewed a PROVEN commodity, only to deliberate for show, and then sign the easiest/cheapest option.
It’s the whole bait & switch at it’s finest. How do you expect to fire a coach who had won 53 games, taken this team to a 3rd seed, with an UNPROVEN coach who has never been a held that position. Would any of us believe that this ownership group would actually be astute enough to push this ball club to the next level…PLEASE!!!!
In the end Drew maybe a fine candidate as head coach, but perception with this ownership group doesn’t bode well for his success…Oh well, guess we can start looking forward to football season.
jfreak13713
June 12th, 2010
5:56 pm
I know nothing about Drew so I won’t attempt to kill the man just yet. However, I would like to have seen the Hawks attempt to make a big splash with another coach but Drew has been around a long time and we should allow him a chance to prove himself.
Sautee
June 12th, 2010
5:57 pm
Truth-serum is attempting to lie about Horford again. Here’s what he said (as Bob Weiss):
“Al “I cant block a shot” horford? Is that the guy that was added after shaq said he would not play?”
And here is the story (and the link) from the Cleveland Plain Dealer:
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/01/cleveland_cavaliers_mo_william_5.html
Cleveland Cavaliers’ Mo Williams, Shaquille O’Neal left off All-Star team
“Neither Mo Williams or Shaquille O’Neal were among the seven reserves selected by opposing head coaches to represent the Eastern Conference at the event in Dallas, the NBA announced Thursday.”
“The decision does not come as much of a shock, neither were considered favorites. Point guards Derrick Rose of the Chicago Bulls and Rajon Rondo of the Boston Celtics were voted in ahead of Williams. Chris Bosh of the Toronto Raptors and Al Horford of the Atlanta Hawks were voted in as big men ahead of O’Neal. Wings Gerald Wallace of the Charlotte Bobcats, Paul Pierce of the Celtics and Joe Johnson of the Hawks were also named as reserves.”
Notice, if you will, the phrase “Chris Bosh of the Toronto Raptors and Al Horford of the Atlanta Hawks were VOTED IN as big men ahead of O’Neal.”
Voted in ahead of O’Neal. Not some B.S. about Shaq stating he didn’t WANT to play.
Here’s what Shaq said in the same article:
“It’s always been a bureaucratic process,” O’Neal said. “I’ve been fortunate to go 15 times, so from this point on in my career, I won’t complain if I don’t make it. It’s all about the vote and who the fans want to see get in. Sometimes it disappoints me to see guys campaigning for it. I don’t like that. I don’t like to see guys campaign. Whoever gets in I wish them well.”
OK, so where is the mention of him saying he would not play?
Truth-serum is LYING AGAIN to try to belittle our All-Star Center.
But some of us know better.
A true Hawks fan
June 12th, 2010
5:57 pm
CP and all you other people who said that the players did not like Woody. I have cut and pasted comments from an article this season straight out the mouth of the players READ:
Article:
But ask the Hawk players and they, at least the five players I spoke to, agree that Woodson should get another extension. They are in unified agreement that Woodson is a big part of why they where they are. Some say it should have happened already.
Marvin Willians: Absolutely. He’s been a great coach for us young guys. I mean …if he’s not here….who knows what position we’d be in.
Will everyone say that?
Absolutely. I think you’re gonna get that answer from anybody around the room. We have a lot of faith in coach Woodson. You know, he really brought us along the way. We were 19 year old kids. We’re 24-25 now. We’re definitely playing some pretty good basketball. So, he’s a big credit to that.
Bibby:Yes. He should have got one a while ago.
Even Josh Smith, who has had his differences with Woodson over the years…
Yeah….I mean, he’s proven himself. And…he’s a good coach. He’s a good coach. He’s a players’ coach. You know, he works hard just like we work hard. And anybody who’s bettered their record every year that he’s been a coach deserves a contract.
Joe Johnson, who is opting for free agency, and is unsure about where he will want to play next season, was asked if signing Woodson might affect his decision…
Uhhhhhm….maybe. You know, I don’t really know….honestly, at this point, what’s in store.
Even newly acquired veteran Joe Smith had some surprisingly good things to say about Mike Woodson and endorsed a new contract…
I’ve enjoyed playing under Coach Woodson since I’ve been here and he puts us in good situations to go out there and be successful as individuals and as a group. So, if they can get something done, I’m all for it.
Joe went on to reveal a hitherto unrevealed dimension of the Hawks head coach and agreed that that the feeling for re-upping Woodson was pretty much universal in the locker room…
Oh yeah. Yeah. I think so. Everybody likes and enjoys playing for him….He makes the game a lot of fun, even in practice. Pre game, before we take the floor, he kind of relaxes us a little bit.
Can you give an example of that?
Umm. He just jokes around with us a lot. I mean, you know, he kind of notices when we’re tense…and when things are tight in the locker room. So he kind of jokes or says a few jokes or will do something to certain individuals, or say something to certain individuals, where… it could lighten the mood a little bit.
But you can’t share any of those?
Naw….(laughing)
Go figure. Exuding an innate dignity, always respectful, Woody is going all Chris Rock on you, when he wants to. Who knew?
But Joe Smith’s been around long enough to see the harsh business side of this league to know nothing is certain and business decisions are different that basketball decisions sometimes….
When I look at it, this thing is….more of a business than anything. And it kind of takes the sport out of it a little bit….because you’re thinking so much with a business mind. Hopefully they’ll get something done. Because, like you said, there’s not too many coaches that have taken a team from when they first got here, 13-14 wins, to now, last year 47 wins. Now try to take it up another level.
Mike Bibby returned to this team with a big pay cut. A favorite player to boo in Boston, it is clear Bibby is a key player on the Hawks roster, bringing mental toughness, and is a team leader. It is also clear Mike Woodson is a big reason Bibby returned and explains why…
love him and I’ve had a lot of coaches in my time. For some coaches I say I like, and got along with, and some coaches I didn’t. You know, I mean I love Coach Woodson. He’s relaxed. He has fun. I think that’s what you got to do.
I love coming to work here and…I can talk to him. I can give him my input on the team and stuff like that and not a lot of coaches let you do that.
I don’t think, right now, I could be in a better situation and actually that’s another reason why I came here, came back here.
Just how… being comfortable with the coaching staff and my teammates.
How do you rate him with all the other coaches you played for?
Definitely one of the top. I’ve had a couple…I’ve had Lionel Hollins, umm….Rick Adelman and Coach Woodson’s right up there with those two, too.
Adelman? That’s rich company.
I mean… you get a lot of different type of attitudes and personalities with coaches. You know, some coaches are “this is my way” and ‘this is how we’re going to do it’ and you have coaches like Woodson, I mean just…I tell the guys….we got it good (here).
A lot of coaches that you (the Hawks players) probably wouldn’t like playing for. I mean, we have got a good situation with coach Woodson. He definitely deserves an extension.
Perhaps such a statement was wafted in Josh Smith’s direction, the player with the unlimited potential but previously ongoing differences with Woodson.
Regarding those differences, I asked Josh point blank – Are they as bad as some have written or over blown?
Josh…
Overblown.
J-Smoove’s recommendation for a Woodson extension would back that up that statement.
(Back To Mike Bibby)… So then you’re kind of good for Woodson in the locker room. Kind of an extension….
Yeah, like I mean…when I’m out there and I see something on the court, I’ll give my input, and he lets me go with it. He lets me go out in there in the game…for him to have that much confidence in me…for him to let me do that, that gives people confidence to play.
High praise, indeed. In truth, after friction with Ron Artest with a going-nowhere Sacramento team, Bibby’s career has been resurrected in Atlanta.
Welcome to the ultra competitive NBA, an Atlanta team known for it’s frugality, an ownership group that has its own issues, a weak residual economy, an yet-to-determined new Collective Bargaining Agreement in the early stages of negotiations and it helps explain the situation. Are those the reasons why Woodson is coaching this crucial season without a net?
Is there any truth to Woodson not being a good tactician?
Joe Smith…
So far this year, (it’s) been so good. Every night different teams are going to present us something different. I think he does a good job of watching enough film, him and his staff do a good job of watching that film and trying to put us in the best situation to be successful out there
This what I’m talking about I did not say it the players did
drmaryb
June 12th, 2010
6:06 pm
ALL EYES ON ME!
Aaron
Go get you one! And, leave us alone.
Your little ramble rant is contradicting, if the team can’t get over the hump?
That’s a personnel issue, that we didn’t have your super-star, et.al. Without that? It doesn’t matter who the coach is. Woodson did the best he could with what he had. I doubt is Drew or anyone else could have done better!
The change was about a different voice per Mr. Sund. He failed to mention his culpability in that equation as well. But, he knows it now, because ALL eyes ore off Woodson and placed squarely on him now.
Now, he will fell the heat, Woodson felt. And, he really can’t blame Drew either, because he hired the rookie himself – ultimately his azz is sticking out that window! The owners as usual will roll and hide behind their desks – should it all blow up!
Gamer
June 12th, 2010
6:15 pm
In a season of uncertainty, go with familiarity. It’s the choice of 50/50, not playing with all the chips, not playing to lose, while not playing to win.
We will see..
Actually, I think the hiring of a coach should have waited after Boston/Lakers championship series..
Just me…but who am I? what do I know?
TheAntiMe
June 12th, 2010
6:21 pm
I would like to say it surprises me but, really, this is just par for the ASG’s course to go out and hire Woody Effin Jr..
northcyde
June 12th, 2010
6:21 pm
Like the good Dr. says . . . the truth hurts.
Ayatollah . . . you know that the characteristic that all of those cities you named possesses? They are ALL loyal to their respective sports teams . . especially when they’re winning.
EXTREMELY LOYAL.
You may not see it in all of those cities when they have sorry teams. But when those teams show signs of life, their fan bases come out in droves to support the hometown team.
Have you ever heard this from a fan, whenever a player starts complaining about or hinting that he wants more money . . .
“WE pay your salary. If it wasn’t for US, you couldn’t make the money you do right now.”
Most fans believe that. They believe that the money they spend on tickets, concessions, jerseys, hats, etc, help contribute to the salaries of players.
So if fans believe that, what happens when the fans don’t come out? Does management opt not to pay people?
It’s the lack of loyalty by a sizeable group of Atlanta fans ( not all, but a sizeable amount ), that causes people from the outside to ridicule the fan base as a whole. This is what is seen from the outside:
- Michael Vick isn’t playing anymore, so I’m not supporting the Falcons
- Traffic is just too bad, so I’m not going to the game
- The Falcons are playing the Lions? That’s a horrible team, so I’m not going.
- The Braves ALWAYS LOSE in the playoffs anyway, so why should I even bother showing up?
- The Hawks hired Larry Drew? Oh . . I’m DONE with this team.
There’s just a lack of loyalty and commitment ( on both sides .. fans and management ), that lingers over that city as a sports town like smoke from a forest fire. And everybody on the outside can see it, except the people under the smoke.
wuffe
June 12th, 2010
6:39 pm
Its probably to good to be true Hornets are willing to give up Darren Collison in a trade if we take Omeka Okefor and Posey and a Steponivich off their hands cause they are cap eaters- but for the Hawks they are Just what we need a VERY good point guard and a DECENT center excellent shooter.. How about Moe Evans and Teague and Zsa Zsa in return in the trade. Emeka Okafor center, Horford Pf, Josh Smith sf, Josh Childress SG, Darren Collison PointGuard Seeya jj , See ya Marvin, Crawford bench Posey bench Steponivich bench
northcyde
June 12th, 2010
6:40 pm
All I know, is that if we lose JJ and get moderate talent back in return, the Hawks are going to need fan support MORE THAN EVER. No way should people prematurely bail on this team, without seeing what they can do first.
How we play on our home court may be the only thing that keeps us at playoff level. So the fans will be needed to step up more than ever.
At that point, there will only be one question to ask:
How loyal are you to your favorite team.
O'Brien
June 12th, 2010
6:55 pm
A true hawk fan,
What do you expect the players to say when they are asked if woody deserves an extension? Do u want them to say “no” on the record?
Plus how you can tell somebody’s true feelings, is what do they do when their backs are against the wall? These guys quit on woody in the playoffs.
Its disappointing that professionals would quit like the hawks did, an its not woody’s fault. But the players stopped listening to him, so a change was needed.
Northcyde,
Larry drew will also need the fans support, especially if JJ leaves.
darrell starks
June 12th, 2010
6:59 pm
Northcyde poor comment, fans always first if only you new that just like BURGER KING, WENDYS, or any bussiness on the market if no one buys then bussiness fold, but if you have good product and your consistent then the consumer will support you and your franchise will grow but looking at all the sport team in the ATL HAWKS, BRAVES, FALCONS, 1 CHAMPIONSHIP in 40years of sports thats loserville all the way, and remember this no one remember second place thats still a failure because the next season is not promising.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
Thomas
June 12th, 2010
6:59 pm
Let Joe go and get us a real center with part of the money you’re going to pay him. I know you can find another shooter that won’t stymie the offense the way he did this past year. Heck I watched that Salmon guy just have our lunch in Milwaukee and those guys in Charlotte and they did not disappear in important games either.
Anyway, congratulations to you, Mr. Drew and make us proud.
OK
June 12th, 2010
7:08 pm
With Drew being the HC this just confirms that we need to draft a PG like Sherron Collins. A PG who won’t be JJ’s lil Bytch and just pass the ball to him and get out of the way.
drmaryb
June 12th, 2010
7:08 pm
Truth Serum
@1250 PM your fantsatic editorial to Blue – Ray? It got me fired up today.
Your points were eloquent, passionate and full of life! That ish was tugging on my heart strings (I.e. Perkinje fibers of the bicuspid and tricuspid valves). -wink-
What I loved most was that you addressed Blue-Ray by the name that I gave him.
His Mamma named him Big-Ray – but I call him Blue-Ray.
I told him like Eddie Murphy told Eddie Murphy in the barber shop in “Coming to America”
Re: Cascous Clay -vs- Muhammad Ali … (Back – Drop) to say.
I Love Blue – Ray and like every baller, he needed a catchy handle.
You are the only blogger besides me, that has ever called him by his handle!
That really made my day! Thanks! I Love you too! But, you already have a potent name:
Truth Serum! I like it and I will support it! -wink, wink- ;0
-mary ellen-
Birdman
June 12th, 2010
7:48 pm
Real reason for hire… Hawks are cheap I’m sure they got a bargain in Drew.. They aren’t willing to put out the money to get a Doc Rivers, Phil Jackson, or Stan Van Gundy… Predictable and I am afraid the results will be predictable also, much the same as this year…. Looks like the Hawks will continue to wallow in mediocrity….
jhan
June 12th, 2010
7:51 pm
Truth – how many titles did Jordan, Kobe & Shaq win BEFORE Phil Jackson was their coach? I understand you need the players but coaching is a huge part of winning. If not why doesn’t every owner in the league put their little brother as coach & pay them $100K per year?
Birdman
June 12th, 2010
7:54 pm
Real reason for hire Hawks are cheap!! I am sure they got a bargain basement deal for Drew… The hawks owners aren’t willing to put out the cash to snag a coach like Doc Rivers, Sam Van Gundy or Phil Jackson…. Very predictable and i’m afraid the results will be predictable also much the same as this year was!! Looks like the Hawks are willing to continue wallowing in mediocrity…. Never the less good luck Drew and Hawks….
Simpdawg
June 12th, 2010
7:54 pm
I read this on RealGM.com
The Hornets are back in luxury tax territory heading into the 2010-11 season and Marc Stein of ESPN.com writes that they will likely be active on the trade market.
Rival teams will try to convince New Orleans to trade Chris Paul, but it’s much more likely that they’ll part with promising backup point guard Darren Collison.
Stein writes that the Hornets will likely ask any team interested in Collison to also take one of their cap-clogging contracts — Emeka Okafor, James Posey or Peja Stojakovic.
Birdman
June 12th, 2010
7:55 pm
sorry about the duplicate post I didn’t think the 1st one took…
Rondo
June 12th, 2010
8:02 pm
Birdmess-Who is Sam Van Gundy
ILL-logical
June 12th, 2010
8:03 pm
Interesting POV:http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-hawks/larry-drews-path-to-547783.html
Ken Strickland
June 12th, 2010
8:07 pm
This is a comment from an article by Mark Stein of ESPN on the Hawks coach Larry Drew:
“Those who know Drew best say he’ll inject the built-for-speed Hawks with some needed offensively creativity and get them playing faster than the stubborn Woodson ever did. They also say he’ll reach Josh Smith and Marvin Williams like Woodson never could, and that knowing all their personnel so well gives him a head start no one else would enjoy.”
With our without JJ, getting more production from Marvin and JSmith, improving our overall DEF, especially at PG, along with making adjustments and utilizing strategy, will make us a better overall team in the long run. While everyone is so willing to believe the team will collapse without JJ, I beg to differ.
As a starter, Crawford can replace just about everything JJ provided except DEF. His DEF could be improved by having him play more SG, which will keep him from having to defend so many quicker, faster PG’s. All LDrew has to do is get more production from his bench to compensate for the loss of Crawford’s bench production.
With only Zaza, Evans, Bibby and Crawford under contract, we’ll have to retool our bench. We’ll need another backup C, PF, and preferably another PG. It’ll be interesting to see if Sund elects to go after a starter to replace JJ, if he leaves, or a backup to replace Crawford off the bench if he starts.
THIS YRS VERSION OF THE ATLANTA HAWKS, UNDER NEW HC LARRY DREW, WILL BE A MUCH MORE EXCITING TEAM TO WATCH, AT LEAST FOR ACTUAL FANS OF THE TEAM.
jroc
June 12th, 2010
8:13 pm
Good point Ken…That what the young hawks were missing exitement and production from their bench.With or without JJ the hawks will be stable.
OK
June 12th, 2010
8:28 pm
Here is Sekous Article on in Drew case you haven’t seen it:
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/06/11/hawks.drew/
P.S Watch the vid, it explains drew’s interview process….impressive
jroc
June 12th, 2010
8:30 pm
Why do some of you fans feel that success of a team only mean winning championships.The Knicks haven’t won a title since the 70’s and they are still a top ten team in revenue and fan attendance.Something got to change hawks for the past few years management has put a good product out there for you fans to go see.Stop complaining fans and acting like a sidity woman that thinks she is all that.This how some of you sound “you gotta do this for me, you got do that for me Ooooo I want to see Lebron, I want to see Kobe,if you don’t do this you can’t get none”.Just Stop It Fanatics!
jroc
June 12th, 2010
8:39 pm
Drew’s interview process was very very impressive the guy showed management that the same offense will not be ran this year and demonstrated it for them.Thats Amazing! I can’t wait to see next seasons hawks. Gooooooooooooooooo Haaaawwwwkks!!!
drmaryb
June 12th, 2010
8:42 pm
HARD TIMES
You know it’s SO easy to spend other people money. For all the CHEAP accusers on the blog here,
HOW much mula dop you have. If you have $100.OO in your checking account? You are past broke and will more than likely be warming the couch on a Friday night. If, you are fortunate enough to own a couch.
Does that make you cheap or just broke? As a business owner, and many of you who support families can attest to this: it ain’t easy being resposible for all the bills!
Please be careful with all the personal attacks and name calling. Maybe ASG is really struggling to pay all the bills – yet we still have a very excitoing and competitive team. We should be thankful for that.
The Truth
June 12th, 2010
8:56 pm
Ken Strickland
There is one piece of unfinished business I have on my plate that I must address now. That is to wish and pray for your speedy and full recovery as well. As I learned about your medical challenge while on vacation monitoring the blog, I was not able to respond in a timely fashion. The recent drama from all the coach selection talks caused me to lose sight until now. I know you will approach this medical challenge just like you attack your blog subject matter, WITH FULL FORCE!!
Again, may God shine a special blessing you,
Sincerely
The Truth (a PK)
bigdave
June 12th, 2010
9:05 pm
since the sports culture of Atlanta and fan base is soo horrible and flawed, why do you “out-of-towners” “support”, cheer, route for the team that represents it?
folks love to hate and critique Atlanta, and usually know nothing about it.
bigdave
June 12th, 2010
9:22 pm
*”root” /support..
bigdave
June 12th, 2010
9:23 pm
follow..
drmaryb
June 12th, 2010
9:33 pm
Ken S.
Ditto that post from The Truth & IT will set you free! From fear and worries.
I for one have really enjoyed your source of insight and encouragement and more importantly -
Positive thoughts and words in regards to the new HC.
I personally, am NOT a negative person and have scrolling like a maniac to get past all the garbage and fake named bloggers to get to the reasonable and readable stuff. Always looking to see and hear what Ken S.
Has to say.
So, thank you for participating even when you have more important things to do and take care of.
Most of all take care of yourself and your Mind – Body & Spirit.
I wish I could cook you some stewed peeled tomatoes with corn and okra over steamed white rice to eat.
Oh and my famous corn bread and fire grilled salmon. That’s what you need, especially the cooked tomatoes which are excellent for fighting prostate cancer cells. I hope you have found the cook-book
for prostate health. I will google that and send you the link.
I Love you and keep fighting and praying for a speedy recovery.
-mary ellen-
Grandad
June 12th, 2010
9:55 pm
drmaryb:
Bein’ a tad bit on the jealous side,
I don’t know if I can tolerate other
bloggers callin’ you Mary Ellen.
We may have to reserve that one for
yore kin. Respectfully, G-Dad.
*[especially not ol' Hatter]
drmaryb
June 12th, 2010
10:32 pm
Grand-Daddy
Only for us! I’m your mary ellen and no one else’s!
I feel so LUCKY top have met you on here!
Mmmmmwah! On the cheek. ; 0
jroc
June 12th, 2010
10:40 pm
One thing i don’t like about Atl is it’s transplants from other cities they are always hating on Atl Sports and their attitudes are rubbing off on some of Atl true fans.Cities like Detroit or Clevelad have the right to complain because some of their teams stink.I just can’t understand WHY most of you fanatics complain about teams that are pretty successful and make the playoffs.
ant banks
June 12th, 2010
10:45 pm
DRMARYB,
i conquer wit’ yo’ 8;24 post. further more, when we are winnin’ more road games, (since that is where our problems were) everyone will be talkin’ about how they were for larry drew.
DRMARYB,
please help me remember all of these names who were rippin’ the larry drew hire. when we are 12-4 in december.
Truth-Serum
June 12th, 2010
10:50 pm
Its said when you can put the truth in people’s face and they look the other way…Sautee, Im only going to show you this one more time. Then I will respond to the sane people Shaq was the number 2 Center behind Howard and announced that he would not play because of a thumb injury that he wanted to let heal. That opened up a spot to which Horford was selected. Hoford was next in line by voting but was better than a half million behind shaq and more closer to the middle of the pack among center during the voting. Here is the final voting. you can argue allnight long. The first two players in each category are usually a shoe-in to the allstar. But being third is not a lock. Especially since there wasnt much difference between the 3 place voting and 7th place (less than a hundred thousand. )
Now I know you have AL Horford curtain towel and drawls, but the reality is Hes was on the team because the coaches had to name a center to back up Howard and Shaq was next but thumbed out.
Centers: Dwight Howard (Orl) 2,360,096; Shaquille O’Neal (Cle) 856,056; Al Horford (Atl) 270,532; Andrea Bargnani (Tor) 265,024; Brook Lopez (NJ) 223,246; Andrew Bogut (Mil) 202,072; Jermaine O’Neal (Mia) 159,327; Rasheed Wallace (Bos) 131,084; Brad Miller (Chi) 102,994; Kendrick Perkins (Bos) 90,278.
Read more: http://www.insidehoops.com/all-star-voting-results.shtml#ixzz0qhGaXxax
N.D.T.K.A.
June 12th, 2010
10:52 pm
It is strange that some do not seem to understand the dynamics of Atlanta when it comes to sports as opposed to a Chicago Bulls, LA Laker, Boston Celtics, New York Knicks. Have many of the fans on this board ever tried to buy season ticket packages for the Hawks? If you are not early bird but still have a reasonable amount to spend on those tickets you will be sitting in the upper corners, behind the back board or about midway up in the middle, which from a viewers standpoint ain’t great seats(your watching the game on the lovely screen in Phillips instead of looking down on the floor with binoculars). Atlanta is a corporate city. A ton of the ticket packages are bought by corporate entities. These groups buy a ton of the ticket packages a pay less at a group rate. Like Arthur Blank talks about the luxury suites. Of course Phillips has the luxury boxes also but many of these companies buy the best lower level seats also. I know I have worked for 3 of said companies and regularly got the tickets the big shots didn’t want until playoff time or when the top teams play. This is why the attendance at times looks skewed. So when you see an announced sellout and not that many people are in the building, usually it is because the corporate buyers just didn’t attend. In those other cities corporate buys aren’t as large because people have been buying tickets for years and are third and fourth generation fans and will go to the games no matter what, so the seats are full. Corporate people don’t really have the ties to the team because a large percentage of them are not from Atlanta. I think with a consistent winner in Atlanta many would want to come with their kids and start a cycle similiar to what you see in the Chicago, Boston, and Philadelphia basketball fan base.
Also the Hawks are a much better team when they run L. Drew will make them a better team if this is his philosophy.
Doc Rivers, when you hear him miked up in these finals, tells his players repeatedly to move and share the basketball. Doc tells them to defend and reminds them about not getting technicals in the fourth quarter. Of course this is a players league where the best play. Doc is talking to Garnett, Pierce, R. Allen, and Rondo. Three hall of famers and a future hall of famer in Rondo. But these guys had to put aside any differences they had about being the man and playing team ball. Doc commands their respect. The issue about a coach was to get someone the team would listen to. Coaches remind players of the intended game plan on the floor and keeps their head in the game. Talent does win games but in the NBA playoffs there is a decided difference when most of the talent is about equal. Players have to respect the coach and listen to get to the next level. In the playoffs it is more about team than just talent. According to one of the links just posted, Marc Stein said Lebron stated to Gilbert that he would prefer a coach who had played the game. So in essence the coach does have a lot to do with the success of the team. It is a fact plenty of teams with talent achieve a lot less if they refuse to play together. Respect for the coach is the key to getting guys to listen. I’ve seen many a night of Mavericks basketball where Dirk, JT and formerly Shawn Marion have lit it up and still lose. Kobe lights it up on many a night and still loses. The coach matters and has to be respected period. Let’s hope the Hawks respect Larry Drew!!!
Truth-Serum
June 12th, 2010
10:55 pm
? I understand you need the players but coaching is a huge part of winning. If not why doesn’t every owner in the league put their little brother as coach & pay them $100K per year?
They should!
Truth-Serum
June 12th, 2010
11:00 pm
Theres only 2 people well 2 and 1/2 if you count bibby on the Hawks who can shoot. JJ and Crawford. The rest of them have to be set up at a certain spot to get a shot off. Changing coaches to me is like changing the labels on a can and thinking the contents are different. You must really have bumped your head if you think these hawks can be better than they were this year. There just aint enough talent. Their best player JJ was only a 3rd string All NBA player and no one else made the list. WTF?
Truth-Serum
June 12th, 2010
11:06 pm
jhan
June 12th, 2010
7:51 pm
Truth – how many titles did Jordan, Kobe & Shaq win BEFORE Phil Jackson was their coach? I understand you need the players but coaching is a huge part of winning. If not why doesn’t every owner in the league put their little brother as coach & pay them $100K per year?
You still did not answer the question. What was Phil’s record with out kobe and Michael?
Touche'
June 12th, 2010
11:08 pm
If not why doesn’t every owner in the league put their little brother as coach & pay them $100K per year?
Sund Just Did!
jroc
June 12th, 2010
11:29 pm
n.d.t.k.a
Chicago,LA,Boston and New York are corprate cities also.All sports franchises are corporate.Why do you think all these arenas in basketball are named after some corporate sponsor.The problem in Atl is that you guys don’t want to see the hawks play against teams without a superstar.Atl is a new city compared to Chicago,LA,Boston, or New York.Atl has 4 or 5 different downtown skylines and has one of the largest metro areas in the country.With a city with almost 5 million people in metro atl it is a shame that every game isn’t sold out.Who cares if you have to sit in nose bleed seats all nba ticket prices are high especially if you want good seats.You should just enjoy the nba experience.Stop making excuses and show up to your games.The hawks for the past few years have had better seasons then the knicks and bulls but those teams still outdraw you guys.Just show up and enjoy the games where ever you sit.
drmaryb
June 12th, 2010
11:33 pm
Ant Banks
(Ants on the Ground) -Larry Platt-
Yeah Ant man! (I will remember their names). Like muscle butt Leroy on “Fame”. LOL!
Teams always Rally behind a new coach.
We may hit the ground 15 – 0 especially if Joe is retained & we get a nice big @ #24.
If God blesses us all to be here still. IDK this old world is swirling around the toilet bowl right now!
I drive an old ‘99 LS400 it runs like a 747 on the highway & I am very frugal with my money. A really tight spender and collector of antiques, so, I really appreciate wise spenders.
I don’t like people that call others cheap … You may be talking about the millionaire next door who appears to not have a dime. I will drive my old car until the wheels fall off. To me, it seems like the world economy’s wheels are falling off – to me anyways.
That’s why, I keep saying Joe should have taken that 4 & $60 Million. Especially after his poor playoffs performance this season. He may NEVER see those numbers again. I mean what if he broke his leg or ruptured his achilles tendon? I’m just sayin’ look at the Center for Milwaukee – Ant B., he may NEVER be the same player physically nor mentally? (His name escapes me now – is it Bogut?)
That dude, had a career ending type injury. These UFA’s are all opting out to secure more years in the future, I.e. Tyson Chandler foregoing 12.6 Million next year to extend those checks. Boozer doing the same.
Their agents are advising them to do it because this money may seriously NOT be there in 2012.
There are so many UFA’s now that Joe and others may feel the same financial pain that you, me and the real world is feeling.
These guys literally live on Fantasy Island – like “TATOO” (pun intended) saying to Carlos Monteban, “The Plane!”, as their private planes land at private air strips to play a silly game in every city!
You know we are living in the last days now – hell, we got a Black President so, you now it’s close! ROF. LOL!
JeJe
June 12th, 2010
11:45 pm
WE NEED A NEW STARTING 5 (ADJUSTMENTS) AND BETTER ASSISTANT COACHES. TYRONE HILL AND JIM TODD ARE USELESS. LET’S NOT FORGET BOB BENDER (ALL THE GUY DOES IS CHEW GUM AND WATCH KISS CAM. SERIOUSLY I HAVE NEVER SEEN HIM DO ANYTHING PRODUCTIVE OUT THERE).
CAN WE GET A LEGIT BIG MAN TO WORK WITH HORF AND SMOOVE? NO MORE OF THIS TYRONE HILL OR THAT SCRUB WHO SHAWN KEMP DUNKED ON
JeJe
June 12th, 2010
11:46 pm
alton LISTER
jhan
June 12th, 2010
11:51 pm
Truth – 102-62.
Michael & Kobe still never won without Phil.
What’s your point?
N.D.T.K.A.
June 12th, 2010
11:58 pm
Jroc,
I do go to many of the Hawks games and now since I no longer work in a corporate environment, I do it at my own expense. I also take my two sons who love Josh and Al. I will again look into buying season tickets if the Hawks put a competitive team on the floor. I have sat in nose bleed seats and also attended the first game ever played in Phillips with the Hawks vs. the Bucks. On the other hand I have sat on the floor, in the corner on the floor, and even in the suites. I am just stating the obvious. It takes fans time to get to where a Chicago, Boston or New York is. Most of the people here seem to diversify their time doing other things or else why don’t they attend the games? I have been to games where the company I worked for had hundreds of tickets, the whole section was empty. The company which is huge had less that twenty people at the game. Explain that Jroc, how often do you go and enjoy the experience of Phillips Arena and there is a decided difference in sitting on the floor and sitting in the nose bleed seats. I love going to the Braves games because you can always get great seats and see the game clearly from many different areas. It is not about the cost it is about the views in Phillips and the availability of the quality seats.
drmaryb
June 13th, 2010
12:01 am
DO DO BIRDS
The Bible describes an Ostrich as the dumbest bird that ever lived – along the beaches.
This bird cam out run a team of thorough bred horses, and when it gets to where it’s going – what does it do?
That’s right! It buries it’s head in the sand!
That’s what a running team looks like to me on a fast break, when it gets to the basket and turns the ball over or make a bad pass!
Careless ball handling is negated when you have a great PG! That is how important it is to have great guard play! The Hawks haven’t had that in 11 years, since Mookie left! Speaking of Mookie – he’s probably sitting home fat as hell. from smoking blundts and eating the munchies. LOL! I would love to hear what he’s up to?
I remember him getting arrested on a return flight from Toronto, Canada with an ounce of weed!
Man, those were the good ole’ days of Deke, Smitty, Grant Long, Mookie and Hindu and Lenny!
We haven’t balled like that since we had a PG & a Center!
N.D.T.K.A.
June 13th, 2010
12:06 am
Also Jroc, Think about this. Why don’t the Hawks just black out the games like the NFL does with the Falcons, if attendance is so low? Many times you here announced sellouts and Phillips is still empty?? Explain that.
Grandad
June 13th, 2010
12:39 am
Mary Ellen:
Call Dr Pigeon in Douglasville. (@ his business)
[chiropractor]
I don’t live there but he’s a friend.
You said you were a chiropractor – as is he.
Leave your business card/address/phone/E-mail;
not all just one or the other.
Don’t say for whom as anyone could pick it up.
He will know it’s for me as I’m his friend.
I would like to share my story.
I’ll be in touch, G-dad.
drmaryb
June 13th, 2010
12:53 am
Grand-Daddy,
This is cool! I will do that on Monday. -smiles-
The Ayatollah
June 13th, 2010
7:13 am
MARC STEIN, ESPN
“But hanging on to Johnson is not Atlanta’s sole goal. The Hawks know they’ll have trouble spots to address even if Johnson stays this summer, judging by their embarrassing surrender in the second round against Orlando, when they absorbed a four-game sweep by a combined 101 points.
Pessimism reigns leaguewide about the Hawks’ ability to hang onto their All-Star swingman this summer, but I’ve been repeatedly told that there are folks in the organization that matter who would not be crushed if Johnson moved on, taking the fresh-start vibe to another level.”
The future could still be bright down the road without Mr. Johnson around. It seems that some in the Hawks organization believes so as well.
The Ayatollah
June 13th, 2010
7:23 am
bigdave
June 12th, 2010
9:05 pm
since the sports culture of Atlanta and fan base is soo horrible and flawed, why do you “out-of-towners” “support”, cheer, route for the team that represents it?
folks love to hate and critique Atlanta, and usually know nothing about it.
In other words, this NORTHCYDE character needs to shut his trap. Nicely done, nicely done.
The Ayatollah
June 13th, 2010
7:25 am
FORK TONGUE REVIEW BOARD
June 13th, 2010
4:55 am
There are times when arguments are clearly lies being spewed forth from the serpent like tongue of an emotionally charged blogger who owns a draw full of Horford Panties…
This almost certainly is referencing and describing the “TRUTH SERUM” person, who has yet to speak one bit of truth since I have been reading these blog posts. Never have I seen such an ill fitted name. This person would be better off naming themselves “LIE JUICE.”
Sam'l
June 13th, 2010
8:04 am
The only conceivable reasons to sign Drew would be:
1. If Joe Johnson had okayed this as a precursor to remaining on the team.
2. If he really did drop some amazing conceptual plans on his interviewers for the job.
Personally, I like what Cleveland did when they announced Lebron James would not have a hand in picking their coach. Anybody gonna ask Sund or that egomaniacal Gearon capitalist? Didn’t think so.
One other blogger wanted to know what Drew said that was so cool. So do I.
I think the Hawks blew this one. I also think that if Drew either didn’t not perform well as an assistant (based on the total lack of brains exhibited by the coaching staff) or if he was ignored by Woodson (another theory bandied about), he maybe should have taken some initiative and gone elsewhere rather continue in a losing role.
New coach in March……
Sam'l
June 13th, 2010
8:12 am
For goodness sakes Ayatollah……Atlanta’s media has always been small town. especially for its population. The announcers have always sucked…..look at Skip Caray and Steve Holman…….the Hawks could’ve been beaten by college teams in the past. Try to turn in an Olympic bomber and they accuse you of being the bomber….child killers….The friggin Housewives……violent senseless crime after violent senseless crime…the guards posted outside a multitude of city buildings…….mIchael dog killer vick……CNN…..i would be tempted to name Coca Cola a success story but is that stuff really healthy for you?
drmaryb
June 13th, 2010
9:17 am
SamL
Very very interesting editorial re: Atlanta Media. Idealistic, Intellectual, Mind – Mugging, insightful and
most of all – Accurate! The Coca-Cola perspective is down – right ORGANIC!
I Like It …I Like IT! (In the vernacular of Tyler Perry’s Mr. Brown)
Great Job!
Sautee
June 13th, 2010
9:38 am
Truth-serum,
Since you don’t seem able to understand, I’ll try again. The “voting” that I referred to (and that the article in Shaq’s team’s town – Cleveland referred to) was the COACHES vote. Even most casual fans realize that ONLY THE STARTERS are voted in by the fans. You keep posting the FAN vote like that matters. If you put so much stock in THAT vote then you obviously think Allen Iverson was the best PG in the East this year.
But the COACHES are the ones who vote ALL the reserves on the All-Star team.
And the COACHES voted Al ahead of Shaq.
How about a link to this “thumb injury” story. Odd that his hometown newspaper NEVER MENTIONED a “thumb injury” in the story about Shaq being left off the team. You’d THINK that would be prominent in their story, since….according to you…. that’s the reason for Shaq not playing.
I gave YOU a link to back up my post. Now how about a link to this “story” about a thumb injury keeping him from playing in the ASG. Show me and I’ll hush about it. Otherwise I’ll assume that it’s another lie from you.
Sautee
June 13th, 2010
9:46 am
And BTW, Truth-serum, if you are talking about Shaq’s thumb injury that Glen Davis caused, well…. it happened TWO WEEKS AFTER the All-Star game.
So maybe he had TWO thumb injuries?
I guess I’ll know when you send that link.
Big Ray
June 13th, 2010
10:05 am
Sautee ,
Yep. The NBA coaches vote the reserves in. Al Horford was voted in by the NBA coaches, who respect his game big time. But I thought everybody knew that…You don’t get to the NBA all-star game by being horrible on defense while playing out of position. I thought everybody knew that as well…
lewis
June 13th, 2010
10:06 am
rofl @ cavs consideration of Mike Woodson
Big Ray
June 13th, 2010
10:07 am
All this noise about the fans. Are we here to blog about the fans or the team? Tried following some parts of this conversation and just couldn’t…
sam'l
June 13th, 2010
10:09 am
Childress 12 on NBA.com’s list of potential free agents…..
“Childress has until July 15 to opt out of his contract with Olympiakos Pireus in Greece. All indications are that he’s ready to come back home to the NBA after two seasons abroad. Atlanta still has right of first refusal on any NBA deal. A return to the Hawks would seem to make the most sense, adding another piece to the puzzle for a team trying to build a Finals contender. Childress is a long, aggressive wing defender with a nose for the ball and a knack for getting to the basket for his shot or to clean up the glass. If Atlanta doesn’t want to pay the price, there are plenty who will.”
Big Ray
June 13th, 2010
10:10 am
lewis ,
Why not? Tom Izzo won’t make up his mind (not that I blame him, a lot of risk involved) and the two hottest names in the assistant ranks are already gone. On the flip side, if the Cavs are worried about better ball and personnel movement…
lewis
June 13th, 2010
10:14 am
He just seems a lesser version of Mike Brown.
Neither proved to be solid playoff tacticians.
vava74
June 13th, 2010
10:18 am
Sam’l,
Our fellow blogger OK just showed above what Drew made which was incredible in his interview:
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/06/11/hawks.drew/
Just punch play on the video.
I am sold. A guy that goes the distance knowing that he is the underdog and uses all his resources like this is a guy hungry for the job and a guy who has the players behind him in the right way.
For the lazy guys around here:
Drew’s interview process was simple: he took 5 guys, including Tyrone Hill and Teague and showed in diagrams AND ON COURT his OWN offense and how it contrasted ISO-heavy Woody.
Big Ray
June 13th, 2010
10:18 am
Can’t argue with that. I’m just saying that the Cavs have to consider anybody looking for a job. Theirs is the most unstable of situations, not knowing whether Lebron will stay or not.
Big Ray
June 13th, 2010
10:34 am
Lewis ,
On second thought, is Woody really a lesser coach than Mike Brown? Woody never had Lebron. Or a frontcourt featuring three serviceable seven footers. Or a fairly deep backcourt.
lewis
June 13th, 2010
10:35 am
Well, they were both considered to be defensive minded coaches.
Neither teams played great defense.
Cavs had the Hawks beat though.
drmaryb
June 13th, 2010
10:36 am
Vava
Yes, I’m the lazy one, so thanks. I tried to view that video from my blacberry and it wouldn’t upload anything.
So, again … Thanks! Now, I am really impressed that he showed a live demonstration, to me that shows creativity _ something severly lacking as of late with our offense in general.
Reminds me of how Rookie prospect: Jim Mora, JR (I know he’s not literally a jr), wowed – then GM Rich MaCay for the Falcons HC job, when he rolled up like a trial lawter with volumes of reference books and inspirational qoutes from historical great coaches to get that Job.
Unfortunately, he chose to coddle Mike Vick & well, we know the rest!
But, my point is creativity in an interview was probably what put him over the top of Casey, regardless of the fact he came in with a low salary demand. To me that was prudent for the hawks to hire him in a WIN – WIN scenario for both sides:
Impressive & Affordable hire!
I like it – a lot!
Let’s Go!
lewis
June 13th, 2010
10:36 am
I’m excited about Drew’s plans for the offense.
But what about his defense?
drmaryb
June 13th, 2010
10:46 am
Lewis
The major complaint all year long was Offense – hello?
The defense was gimmicky! Why not just man up, like the rest of the NBA. Defense is only played when motivated and comitted to… That’s a HEART & MOTOR issue! That is a given!
Offense is more strategy, schemes, coaching, game plan adjustments and intensity level!
That’s on the PLAYERS! If they don’t defend? Glue their azzes to the bench & that will get their attention moreso than anything else.
In your question – that should be put to the Players moreso than coaching! At what point are the Players responsible and accountable for anything? After all – isn’t this a players league?
That should actually be learned in college – what exactly is college sports for? Certainly not a formal education.
drmaryb
June 13th, 2010
10:51 am
Lewis
Aaahh ….. The Cavs had the Hawks beat on Offense, Not necessarily on Defense.
But, then like Blue-Ray said, they have the best player allegedly in the world and All Star PG and 2 7 footers.mmGeez, man! Pull your head out of your anal spinchter. I thought you were better than this?
terrell
June 13th, 2010
10:53 am
Bench Bibby and find a replacement for Marvin as the starting sf, and I’ll be the biggest Drew fan in Atlanta. Everybody and their Mama knows that those two bums shouldn’t be starters. D-League maybe. But in the NBA? Please!
terrell
June 13th, 2010
11:02 am
Did you guys see how Larry Drew was looking at Woody in that pic? Looked like he was saying, “what in the hell are you talking about? Fool! lol!
terrell
June 13th, 2010
11:03 am
Thanks Vava, I got a laugh out of that photo.
terrell
June 13th, 2010
11:08 am
Hopefully we’ll stop swithing on defense all the time too.
drmaryb
June 13th, 2010
11:08 am
Bibby
I have never seen Bibby sucking sour grapes for being benched. That’s a Coaches decision! And, part of Woodsons dagger, but in all fairness … Mike did set the Tempo with his Shooting to start games.
Given, that Teague has no Jumper? That probably had more to do with the SMOY relieving Bibby moreso than anything else. Give Woodson credit for using smoke & mirrors. He was forced to do that ever since he came here. You can’t cook a steak if all you got is ground beef!
Moving on, JT0 will get his crack at it next season.
tree rollins
June 13th, 2010
11:14 am
Drew seems like a nice guy. So did Lon Kruger and Bobby Weiss back in the day when we got them. I’m glad the Hawks owners are spending money on a nice guy – the players are too! It’s the old “I searched the world over for my next wife and found her in my own upstairs bedroom”. It may sound corny to you but that’s your Atlanta Hawks folks! This team needs to create a local buzz like nobody’s business. Instead, they hired the janitor and chief bottle washer. Good luck Hawks – you’ll need it. But remember – at least you saved a few bucks and we’ll all be able to get cheap seats this year when the Lakers come in.
bigdave
June 13th, 2010
11:19 am
Report: Wade talks with Bosh, Johnson
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Miami Heat guard Dwyane Wade has spent some time talking to fellow free agents about the future, the South Florida Sun-Sentinel reported on Saturday.
Wade, who made an appearance at a charity event in Plantation, Fla., said he talked with Toronto Raptors forward Chris Bosh and Atlanta Hawks guard Joe Johnson in Los Angeles this week.
Wade told the newspaper he had dinner with Bosh and saw Johnson at a Brand Jordan event.
Wade has made it clear he would like to return to Miami and bring another big-name free agent with him. But he insisted to the newspaper: “I haven’t started recruiting yet.”
“My friends are the guys that are in the league,” Wade told the Sun-Sentinel. “Some of my closest friends in the NBA happen to be certain guys that are up in this free-agent market. Yeah, it’s going to be like that. Like I said, I don’t worry about it. I smile and I keep on going with my day.
“Me and Chris have been friends since we came into the NBA. We signed with the same agent. So we can’t eat together? It’s all good. We understand what’s going to come about from anything that goes on. But, no worries, it’s just friends eating dinner.”
The free agency period begins July 1. Wade, Bosh, Johnson, LeBron James and Amare Stoudemire are among players who could be changing teams.
Ken Strickland
June 13th, 2010
11:29 am
THE TRUTH/DRMARYB-Thanks for the support. While I’m not a religious person, I’m very spiritual and I definitely believe in something greater than myself and all that we know. I feel it would be an insult to all of the fans in the Hawks nation that have wished me well not to give it all that I have to overcome it.
TRUTH SERUM-I see why you’re so attached to MWoodson. You seem to possess the same limited way of thinking, stubbornness, and inability to see anything beyond your preconceived bias’, opinions and notions. As a result, you can’t seem to change, adjust or process anything new or different, just like your beloved Woodson. Like him, you are too stubborn, biased and/or stupid too see that Bibby was a complete DEF liability, and had rapidly become an OFF liability. You can’t seem to see how anything or anyone but your beloved Woodson can possibly do more to improve the Hawks.
If we do more of what we do best, and that’s RUN, improve ball and player movement, improve defensively, bench Bibby, add the speed, quickness, penetrating ability and DEF of JTeague, improve Marvins production, get better and more consistent bench production, HOW IN THE HELL CAN YOU NOT SEE HOW THIS TEAM CAN IMPROVE?
ALSO, WHAT IS IT ABOUT WOODSON THAT BLINDS YOU TO THE FACT THAT HE WOULDN’T/COULDN’T/DIDN’T DO ANY OF THESE THINGS?
1-EDampier
2-ABargnani
3-JAnthony
4-JOneal
5-HThabeet
6-JMcGhee
7-RHibbert
8-GOden
9-SDelembert
10-TRatliff
11-BWallace
12-RTuriaf
This is a partial list of NBA centers that averaged more Blocks Per Gm than AHorford. Out of all the centers on this list, not a single one of them had more ASSISTS, REBOUNDS, STEALS or DOUBLE DOUBLES, and only ABarngnani outscored him. I’D LIKE TO KNOW WHO ON THIS LIST WOULD YOU TAKE OVER HORFORD?
Among all NBA PG’s, MBibby’s 9.1PPG ranked 35th, his 3.9APG ranked 35th and his .84SPG ranked 36th. He is the only starting PG, besides DFisher, that didn’t record a single double double. ARE YOU TELLING ME THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING YOU CAN THINK OF THAT NEW HC LARRY DREW CAN DO, ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT YOUR BELOVED WOODY DID, TO IMPROVE UPON THAT PITIFUL PG PRODUCTION?
The Hawks ranked 12th(tied)in PPG(101.7), 9th(tied)in PPG allowed(97.0), 17th in RPG(41 total, OFF-11.8, DEF-29.9) and 11th(tied)in APG (21.8). ARE YOU TOO BLINDED BY YOUR OWN BIAS AND OBSESSION WITH WOODSON TOO SEE ANYWAY NEW HC LARRY DREW CAN IMPROVE UPON THESE NUMBERS? You’re saying you can’t for the life of you figure out how our DEF will improve if new HC Larry Drew replaced the teams biggest DEF liability? Or, how the team can possibly add speed, quickness, the ability to penetrate and maintain an uptempo OFF, by replacing the NBA’s slowest, least athletic and least productive starting PG with one of the NBA’s quickest, fastest and most athletic?
Please don’t tell everyone you’re too blinded by your stubborn bias’, and unnatural attachment to Woodson, to see how our new HC Larry Drew can improve our DEF even further, by allowing our C’s and PF’s to play other C’s and PF’s, which would allow them to remain near the lane and protect the basket. How can anyone with an actual IQ think Woodson’s idea of forcing them out on the perimeter to defend PG’s and SG’s is a better idea?
IT APPEARS THAT FROM AN PSYCHOLOGICAL PERSPECTIVE, YOU AND YOUR BELOVED WOODSON ARE JOINED AT THE HIP, EXCEPT HE GOT FIRED BECAUSE OF HIS PSYCHOLOGICAL FLAWS.
terrell
June 13th, 2010
11:31 am
Mary B, when I said bench Bibby, I was talking about next year, not this past season. If Bibby and Marvin are still starters, I’m going to be pissed. That’s all I’m saying. Drew better not be as blind as Woody was.
lewis
June 13th, 2010
11:35 am
dmb,
“Defense is only played when motivated and comitted to… That’s a HEART & MOTOR issue! That is a given!”
Isn’t that the same garbage that ol stubborn man Woody was preaching when his switching defense got brutally torn apart and tossed into a dumpster vs. Mil and Orl? The same line he recited over and over while refusing to make adjustments?
I understand that defense is really on the players, but it doesn’t change the fact that a new defensive system needs to be put in place by the new HC. While it will help a lot, starting Teague isn’t going automatically fix the Hawks defensive issues.
I don’t know if the Hawks have enough shooters to run a west coast offense. I can’t imagine them in a similar situation Phx was in against LA, opting to attempt to out-score, rather than out-defend the lakers.
terrell
June 13th, 2010
11:36 am
Ken, I agree with everything you said except “improve Marvin’s production”. Larry Drew is a Coach, not a miracle worker. lol!
terrell
June 13th, 2010
11:38 am
I agree Lewis. Gotta have shooters to do that.
J. Lawyer
June 13th, 2010
12:23 pm
I’m not sure if this was the right move, Joe Johnson will not return next year and we will fall out of the top 4 in the east. I hope ASG can sell the team, because they refuse to pay to win. How much can Drew ask for. Terrible move.
jhan
June 13th, 2010
12:25 pm
Drew needs to implement a real offense for next season. It was very easy to defend Iso-Joe in the playoffs. I want to believe that Drew will be a fan of ball movement. Can’t imagine an old PG being happy with watching one guy dribble for 20 seconds then throw up a prayer or pass to our PF in the corner for a 23′ jump shot.
terrell
June 13th, 2010
12:32 pm
Drew comes cheap. Might help out in FA. Just a thought.
terrell
June 13th, 2010
12:34 pm
Lowest paid coach in the league.
drmaryb
June 13th, 2010
12:41 pm
Lewis
I agree the switching defense was not something to do as a staple. I believe my exact words were:
Woodson’s defense was gimmicky & that we should man up severe intensity!
Of course that part was edited out for the sake of argument. However, I love your assessments of what the teams need to do & we pretty much are on the same page – you & I.
I woke up looking to see if you had posted anything. -smiles-
Grandad
June 13th, 2010
12:49 pm
‘Hatter’
I’m tryin’ to stay away for awile but you keep draggin’ me back in.
As a favor just TRY to see Al as one if not our best young player.
Our cornerstone & foundation, for reasons of intangible nature,
moreso than his skill set which are outstanding in themselves.
It’s okay if you feel we need a [5], I do as well. It’s just that
I see a player coming in as a sidekick or in rotation with J&A.
Heck our 6th man could even be a center. OR we could have two
6th men. Just open your mind to the possibilities.
No need to respond as I’m leavin’ for awile so as not to get drawn
back in to the discussions. G’day all.
terrell
June 13th, 2010
12:50 pm
Truth, how in the world can you bring up the center position, without mentioning one single word about our horrendous pg play? Defensively, and dang near offensively. Wow! If you think the Hawks success starts with a new center, your’re delusional. And did I mention the sf position? Listen, until we trade Josh Smith, Horford’s the center. It’s that simple.
terrell
June 13th, 2010
12:53 pm
LMAO at Dr. Mary B waking up to check the blog. lol!
Tmruth-Seru
June 13th, 2010
1:13 pm
Grandad, good moring… well afternoon. Yes, I can agree that horford is a good player and a draft pick that is productive. Yes, I think his was left of the All NBA defensive team, for a good reason. DEFENSE!
Yes I think that the beginning of taking the hawks to the next level begins with acquiring a starting center…. and yes, Horford is a good power forward… just not as good as josh.
do I think we are weak at the point guard position also? Terrell, Yes, However Turnover teague had good exposure last year and plenty of time to study some great guard play from JJ and crawford and bibby who has a excellent turnover rate. He may be ready next year… after all he was draft as a sophomore from wake. Point Guards are more common than centers.
Now, terrell I hope you did not receive my blogr in the same nastiness that you sent mine. I dont believe weve spoken before.
Now have a nice day!
Tmruth-Serum
June 13th, 2010
1:13 pm
*he was left
Tmruth-Serum
June 13th, 2010
1:16 pm
yes Al would be an excellent 6th man backing up josh and the new center
Will the Thrill
June 13th, 2010
1:32 pm
Ken Strickland… You make no sense, bro! Though we were beat back to back years in the second round, Mike Woodson was a proven commodity. And if not Mike, Avery Johnson would have been an OK choice. But, a newby? come on, man. I hope that LD can take the team to the finals because if not, I give up on the Hawks. The Hawks are like a soap opera and not for the dramatics. Soap operas build you up for years, as if they are coming to an end and then… it keeps going but the writting gets worse. Why aren’t the Hawks committed to success? What they are committed to is our money. They are totally invested in taking our money and giving us a shabby product. Woodson actually gave us a better product and he was fired. You don’t fire a good coach for a greenhorn because he goes to the playoffs three years in a row! unless they are sure that LD is the truth. SO, with that said… I GIVE LD 1 YEAR to go to the finals. That’s my expectation. If not, I will waste no more money on the Hawks.
lewis
June 13th, 2010
1:35 pm
Al is “solid” at center. I just think that teams who win championships do so, for the most part, with traditional PF’s and C’s. Not undersized help defenders. That said, Horford is our center unless Josh leaves.
some big men duo’s on championship teams since 1990 (very bored at work):
1989-1990 Chicago Bulls – Bill Cartwright C 7-1 245. Horace Grant F-C 6-10 215
1993-1994 Houston Rockets – Hakeem Olajuwon C 6-11 250 Otis Thorpe PF 6-10 248
Robert Horry F – 6-10 230
1995-1996 Chicago Bulls – Luc Longley C 7-2 Bill Wennington C 7-0 245
Dennis Rodman F 6-7 210 (16 rebounds a game that year)
1998-1999 San Antonion Spurs – Tim Duncan PF 7-0 260 David Robinson C 7-1 250
1999-2000 LA Lakers – Shaq C 7-1 325 A.C. Green F-C 6-9 220 Glen Rice F 6-7 215
lewis
June 13th, 2010
1:37 pm
and until Josh proves he’s mentally capable of winning a championship, i’m going to stick with Al Horford as the guy to build around.
Cage
June 13th, 2010
1:41 pm
TYPICAL HAWKS FANS RESPONSES……….EVEN IF THE ASG HIRED PHIL JACKSON PEOPLE WOULD STILL COMPLAIN ABOUT SOMETHING, “HE’S TOO OLD”, “HE DOESN’T HAVE THE TOP MARQUEE PLAYER”, ETC, JUST GIVE THE MAN A CHANCE TO EARN AN OPINION AFTER A COUPLE OF YEARS
Cage
June 13th, 2010
1:42 pm
FOOD FOR THOUGHT, WHAT ABOUT JOSH COMING IF THE BENCH IF WE CAN LAND A DECENT BIG
Big Ray
June 13th, 2010
1:48 pm
1-EDampier
2-ABargnani
3-JAnthony
4-JOneal
5-HThabeet
6-JMcGhee
7-RHibbert
8-GOden
9-SDelembert
10-TRatliff
11-BWallace
12-RTuriaf
Yep, definitely a list of guys who average more blocks per game than Al Horford.
Guess what else the list represents? A bunch of guys who didn’t make the all star team or have better season averages than this: 14 points, 9.9 rebounds, 2.3 assists, and 55% shooting from the field.
Big Ray
June 13th, 2010
1:51 pm
Al Horford as a sixth man on an NBA team. Damn, I haven’t laughed this hard all weekend..
lewis
June 13th, 2010
2:06 pm
I think Josh’s main problem is his jump shooting and his lack of size.
If he could hit 5-8 foot jumpers in the post, he’d be much more difficult to defend.
If he could hit a 3 pointer, he’d stretch the defense and open up shooting lanes.
He doesn’t have the post moves to score at will in the paint.
He doesn’t have the handles to play ISO.
He doesn’t have the size to shoot over people.
His biggest threats are on the break, blocking shots, getting steals, and making good passes. He’s an impact player who should be coming off the bench for big minutes but I don’t think his ego will ever allow it.
Basically, we need a proven Lamar Odom / Rasheed Wallace type who can come off the bench and provide quality minutes, doing the things that Josh and Al struggle to do with their size and limited range.
Big Ray
June 13th, 2010
2:09 pm
Nah, you can’t build around Josh. He’s not that type of player. Neither was Shawn Marion or Andrei Kirilenko, the kinds of guys who are closest to him in skill set/capabilities.
Big Ray
June 13th, 2010
2:12 pm
lewis ,
It’s a nice thought in a perfect world, but unfortunately we can’t just up and pick ourselves out a traditional center to put next to Al Horford. If we could, Josh might be okay coming off the bench for 30+ mpg, I don’t know. But as you said, we would still need him to have a better jumper (I’m thinking out to 15-17 feet, like Al has) and a better handle.
lewis
June 13th, 2010
2:23 pm
Yeah, i was talking hypothetically.
I’m fully prepared for Josh and Al to remain where they are. I just feel at this point, 6 years into it, Josh is still developing the things Al can already do. Now, if Josh improves his handles and post game / getting fouled, as well as his free throws, he’s going to be average 19/7/2/2 and a force to be reckoned with inside.
Truth-Serum
June 13th, 2010
3:17 pm
Big Ray
June 13th, 2010
1:51 pm
Al Horford as a sixth man on an NBA team. Damn, I haven’t laughed this hard all weekend..
YOU MUST HAVE MISSED THE DREW AS HEAD COACH ANNOUNCEMENT! IM STILL LMAO!
terrell
June 13th, 2010
3:23 pm
Josh wouldn’t mind coming off the bench? I totally disagree. He’d pout for months. And the Asg aint paying 20+ million for a 6th(Josh) and 7th(Jamal) man. And one more thing, what above avg center can we get for the mid-level? Especially one that’s good enough to put Josh Smith on the bench.
Truth-Serum
June 13th, 2010
3:24 pm
JOSH IS THE TEAM POWER FORWARD ANDTHE DEFENSELESS ONE IS THE CENTER
THE NBA AGREES. BY THE WAY TO BE CORRECT THE NBA LIST DUNCAN AS A CENTER AND HORFORD AS A POOT BUTT.
Player, Team 1st 2nd Points
Center Dwight Howard, Orlando 28 1 57
Guard Rajon Rondo, Boston 23 4 50
Forward LeBron James, Cleveland 20 5 45
Guard Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 13 8 34
Forward Gerald Wallace, Charlotte 11 8 30
Second Team
Position Player, Team 1st 2nd Points
Center Tim Duncan, San Antonio 8 5 21
Guard Dwyane Wade, Miami 8 4 20
Forward Josh Smith, Atlanta 6 8 20
Forward Anderson Varejao, Cleveland 2 11 15
Guard Thabo Sefolosha, Oklahoma City 3 8 14
Truth-Serum
June 13th, 2010
3:42 pm
Big Ray
June 13th, 2010
10:05 am
Sautee , / azzohola
Yep. The NBA coaches vote the reserves in. Al Horford was voted in by the NBA coaches, who respect his game big time. But I thought everybody knew that…You don’t get to the NBA all-star game by being horrible on defense while playing out of position. I thought everybody knew that as well…
Sautee
June 13th, 2010
9:38 am
Truth-serum,
Since you don’t seem able to understand, I’ll try again. The “voting” that I referred to (and that the article in Shaq’s team’s town – Cleveland referred to) was the COACHES vote. by the fans. You keep posting the FAN vote like that matters. The COACHES are the ones who vote ALL the reserves on the All-Star team.
Sautee you have been talking out the side of your neck so long there is slobber on your shoulders. You and ray say al must be good defensively regardless of the numbers because the NBA coaches pick him as a reserve all star. … Those same NBA coaches refused to put him on the All nba defensive team because he is so sorry defensively, in fact he only received 1 lousy vote from all the coaches and guess who vote that was…..The dearly departed Woodson. Every other coach saw no reason to vote for his sorry assse.
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Orlando’s Howard, Boston’s Rondo lead All-Defensive Team
By Official release
Posted May 5 2010 2:24PM
Orlando Magic center Dwight Howard, winner of the 2009-10 Defensive Player of the Year Award presented by Kia Motors, and guard Rajon Rondo of the Boston Celtics headline the NBA All-Defensive First Team, the NBA announced Wednesday. By totaling 57 points overall, including 28 First Team votes, Howard edged Rondo (50 points overall and 23 First Team votes) as the leading vote-getter.
Also selected to the All-Defensive First Team are forward LeBron James of the Cleveland Cavaliers (45 points), Los Angeles Lakers guard Kobe Bryant (34 points) and Charlotte Bobcats forward Gerald Wallace (30 points).
Howard became the first player to lead the league in rebounding and blocks (1973-74 was the first season blocks were kept as an official statistic) in consecutive seasons, averaging 13.2 rebounds and 2.78 blocks. He also became only the fifth player in NBA history to lead the league in rebounding for at least three consecutive seasons. With Howard anchoring the defense, the Magic allowed 95.3 points a game, which ranked fourth in the NBA, and held the opposition to a league-low .438 shooting, including 24 games in which opponents shot under .400. Orlando held the opposition to fewer than 100 points 57 times and to fewer than 90 points 24 times.
The NBA All-Defensive Second Team consists of center Tim Duncan of the San Antonio Spurs, guards Dwyane Wade of the Miami Heat and Thabo Sefolosha of the Oklahoma City Thunder, and forwards Josh Smith of the Atlanta Hawks and Anderson Varejao of the Cleveland Cavaliers. Duncan has been selected to the NBA All-Defensive team 13 consecutive seasons.
The voting panel consisted of the NBA’s 30 head coaches, who were asked to select NBA All-Defensive First and Second Teams by position. Coaches were not permitted to vote for players from their own team. Two points were awarded for a First Team vote and one point was awarded for a Second Team vote.
2009-10 NBA All-Defensive Team
First Team
Position Player, Team 1st 2nd Points
Center Dwight Howard, Orlando 28 1 57
Guard Rajon Rondo, Boston 23 4 50
Forward LeBron James, Cleveland 20 5 45
Guard Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 13 8 34
Forward Gerald Wallace, Charlotte 11 8 30
Second Team
Position Player, Team 1st 2nd Points
Center Tim Duncan, San Antonio 8 5 21
Guard Dwyane Wade, Miami 8 4 20
Forward Josh Smith, Atlanta 6 8 20
Forward Anderson Varejao, Cleveland 2 11 15
Guard Thabo Sefolosha, Oklahoma City 3 8 14
Other players receiving votes, with point totals (First Team votes in parentheses):
Jason Kidd, Dallas, 12 (4); Marcus Camby, Portland, 12 (1); Ron Artest, 11 (3); Deron Williams, Utah, 10, (2); Kirk Hinrich, Chicago, 9 (1); Andrew Bogut, Milwaukee, 8; Luc Mbah a Moute, Milwaukee, 8 (1); Arron Afflalo, Denver, 6 (1); Kenyon Martin, Denver, 5 (1); Kevin Garnett, Boston, 5 (1); Grant Hill, Phoenix, 4 (2); Joakim Noah, Chicago, 4; Kendrick Perkins, Boston, 4 (1); Shane Battier, Houston, 4 (1); Andrei Kirilenko, Utah, 3 (1); Russell Westbrook, Oklahoma City, 3; Trevor Ariza, Houston, 3 (1); Andre Iguodala, Philadelphia, 2; George Hill, San Antonio, 2 (1); Jermaine ONeal, Miami, 2 (1); Joe Johnson, Atlanta, 2 (1); Lamar Odom, L.A. Lakers, 2 (1); Luis Scola, Houston, 2; Manu Ginobili, San Antonio, 2 (1); Nicolas Batum, Portland, 2; Caron Butler, Dallas, 1; Chauncey Billups, Denver, 1; Jared Dudley, Phoenix, 1; Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City, 1; Raymond Felton, Charlotte, 1; Marc Gasol, Memphis, 1; Pau Gasol, L.A. Lakers, 1; Chuck Hayes, Houston, 1; Brendan Haywood, Dallas, 1; Al Horford, Atlanta, 1; Serge Ibaka, Oklahoma City, 1; Ersan Ilyasova, Milwaukee, 1; Stephen Jackson, Charlotte, 1; Nene, Denver, 1; Chris Paul, New Orleans, 1; Tayshaun Prince, Detroit, 1; Earl Watson, Indiana, 1.
Truth-Serum
June 13th, 2010
3:45 pm
Big Ray
June 13th, 2010
10:05 am
Sautee , / azzohola
Yep. The NBA coaches vote the reserves in. Al Horford was voted in by the NBA coaches, who respect his game big time. But I thought everybody knew that…You don’t get to the NBA all-star game by being horrible on defense while playing out of position. I thought everybody knew that as well…
Sautee /azzohola
June 13th, 2010
9:38 am
Truth-serum,
Since you don’t seem able to understand, I’ll try again. The “voting” that I referred to (and that the article in Shaq’s team’s town – Cleveland referred to) was the COACHES vote. by the fans. You keep posting the FAN vote like that matters. The COACHES are the ones who vote ALL the reserves on the All-Star team.
Sautee you have been talking out the side of your neck so long there is slobber on your shoulders. You and ray say al must be good defensively regardless of the numbers because the NBA coaches pick him as a reserve all star. … Those same NBA coaches refused to put him on the All nba defensive team because he is so sorry defensively, in fact he only received 1 lousy vote from all the coaches and guess who vote that was…..The dearly departed Woodson. Every other coach saw no reason to vote for his sorry asse.
The voting panel consisted of the NBA’s 30 head coaches, who were asked to select NBA All-Defensive First and Second Teams by position. Coaches were not permitted to vote for players from their own team. Two points were awarded for a First Team vote and one point was awarded for a Second Team vote.
2009-10 NBA All-Defensive Team
First Team
Position Player, Team 1st 2nd Points
Center Dwight Howard, Orlando 28 1 57
Guard Rajon Rondo, Boston 23 4 50
Forward LeBron James, Cleveland 20 5 45
Guard Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 13 8 34
Forward Gerald Wallace, Charlotte 11 8 30
Second Team
Position Player, Team 1st 2nd Points
Center Tim Duncan, San Antonio 8 5 21
Guard Dwyane Wade, Miami 8 4 20
Forward Josh Smith, Atlanta 6 8 20
Forward Anderson Varejao, Cleveland 2 11 15
Guard Thabo Sefolosha, Oklahoma City 3 8 14
Other players receiving votes, with point totals (First Team votes in parentheses):
Jason Kidd, Dallas, 12 (4); Marcus Camby, Portland, 12 (1); Ron Artest, 11 (3); Deron Williams, Utah, 10, (2); Kirk Hinrich, Chicago, 9 (1); Andrew Bogut, Milwaukee, 8; Luc Mbah a Moute, Milwaukee, 8 (1); Arron Afflalo, Denver, 6 (1); Kenyon Martin, Denver, 5 (1); Kevin Garnett, Boston, 5 (1); Grant Hill, Phoenix, 4 (2); Joakim Noah, Chicago, 4; Kendrick Perkins, Boston, 4 (1); Shane Battier, Houston, 4 (1); Andrei Kirilenko, Utah, 3 (1); Russell Westbrook, Oklahoma City, 3; Trevor Ariza, Houston, 3 (1); Andre Iguodala, Philadelphia, 2; George Hill, San Antonio, 2 (1); Jermaine ONeal, Miami, 2 (1); Joe Johnson, Atlanta, 2 (1); Lamar Odom, L.A. Lakers, 2 (1); Luis Scola, Houston, 2; Manu Ginobili, San Antonio, 2 (1); Nicolas Batum, Portland, 2; Caron Butler, Dallas, 1; Chauncey Billups, Denver, 1; Jared Dudley, Phoenix, 1; Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City, 1; Raymond Felton, Charlotte, 1; Marc Gasol, Memphis, 1; Pau Gasol, L.A. Lakers, 1; Chuck Hayes, Houston, 1; Brendan Haywood, Dallas, 1; Al Horford, Atlanta, 1; Serge Ibaka, Oklahoma City, 1; Ersan Ilyasova, Milwaukee, 1; Stephen Jackson, Charlotte, 1; Nene, Denver, 1; Chris Paul, New Orleans, 1; Tayshaun Prince, Detroit, 1; Earl Watson, Indiana, 1.
Joe Mama
June 13th, 2010
4:28 pm
AL college numbers-senior year
2006-2007 FLA 27.8 13.2 9.5 2.2 1.8 1.21 .7 1.8 2.5 .608 .644 .000 1.64
Best year
2009-10ATL8135:06 5.810.55 5.1 0.00.0100.0 2.63.378.9 2.97.09.9 2.31.50.71.12.8 14.2
Career 229
33:17 4.99.252.7 0.00.014.3 2.33.075.3 2.86.99.6 2.11.60.81.13.0 12.0
His best year was 14 pts his college best was 13.2 pts and his career average is ….12.0
What growth?
compare
June 13th, 2010
4:43 pm
Josh Smith #5 PF
2009-10 STATS
PPG RPG BPG
15.7 8.7 2.1
Al Horford #15 C
2009-10 STATS
PPG RPG BPG
14.2 9.9 1.1
Smoove is better
Ken Strickland
June 13th, 2010
9:53 pm
TRUTH SERUM-you should have been a tap dancer or a magician, because you tapped around everything I said, every question I asked, aS well as the obvious meaning of everything I said, and you seem to disappear when faced with obvious facts. I also noticed how you completely ignored SAUTEE when he called you out for blatantly lying about the entire All Star selection process of Horford over Shaq, which, for you, is par for the course.
Your refusal to name a single player on my list of centers that averaged more blocked shots per gm than Horford, means you realize that none of them measured up overall to Horford. My point was to show how blocked shots can be a grossly misleading stat when it comes to evaluating the overall ability and value of a center.
It’s also revealing how you once again made a reference about the Hawks needing to replace AHorford, an All Star, and one of the NBA’s most consistently productive centers. Yet, you conveniently ignored all comments about replacing MBibby, the teams biggest DEF liability, one of the NBA’s least productive PG’s, and definitely the NBA’s worst starting PG’s.
In your delusional backward though process, you feel the only way for the Hawks to improve is to replace a consistently productive All Star center, while continuing to start and give major mins to the NBA’s slowest, least athletic, least productive, and most inconsistent PG, who is also a proven DEF liability, WOW!
jason
June 14th, 2010
12:41 am
i think that it is a good decision by rick sund give the guy his props men he had to make a hard decision because their first option was Avery who already signed with the nets he did what was best
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This is predictable. Drew will have no more success than Woodson. The Hawks went the cheap route. Clearly, this franchise is not dedicated to building success.
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