Atlanta Hawks: Another Way With J.J.
While breaking down the Hawks’ options concerning J.J. and free agency, I mentioned in passing that the Hawks could gain a trade exception and perhaps a draft pick in a sign-and-trade with a team under the salary cap. Aaron, a moderator at Hawksquawk.net, emailed to say he thinks the exception (acquired in what’s known as a “non-simultaneous trade”) could be more beneficial than initially meets the eye:
“The traded player exception (TPE) the Hawks would get by trading him to a team under the cap would be extremely useful in future trades. It’s very possible that the Hawks could move Joe to somewhere like Chicago for a TPE and then turn around and use the TPE to acquire a replacement wing. Just off the top of my head, someone like Corey Maggette would definitely fit the mold of an available scoring wing. (Not sure how he’d feel about Crawford, but it’s just a thought). Joe wouldn’t mind because it wouldn’t affect his bottom line in a negative way, and the team receiving him would definitely be interested because it lowers his initial salary, thereby increasing the salary space they have to pursue complimentary players.”
(What he means by the lower initial salary is that because of the larger future raises available to a Bird Rules free agent, J.J.’s first-year salary would be lower in a sign-and-trade than in a straightforward signing.)
Good point by Aaron, and one that’s actually illustrated by the example I used in the post: Seattle’s sign-and-trade of Rashard Lewis to Orlando in 2008 for a $9 million trade exception and a second-round pick. In a non-simultaneous, a team can acquire up to 100 percent of the salary sent out plus $100,00 with any difference built up as a sort of credit known as a trade exception. Since draft picks have $0 value in trades until the player signs a rookie contract, the Hawks could get a pick and also get the full value of J.J.’s new contract as an exception and acquire a player(s) in a future trade (the limit is a year) without the requirement of matching salaries.
Typically, teams willing to trade a player without receiving a player in return tend to be teams looking to trim payroll and/or get out from under a contract (Maggette, to use Aaron’s example, has 3 years and $30.8 million left on his deal). And that’s pretty much what happened to the Sonics: they used the $9 million exception to acquire Kurt Thomas from the Suns, who were looking to shed payroll and gained an $8 million trade exception.
But the Sonics also got two first-round draft picks in that deal and later dealt Thomas to the Spurs for another first-round pick and a couple of expiring contracts. (That sequence of deals is one of the many examples of why Michael Gearon Jr.’s disdain for “bad contracts” can be a tad overstated: in the NBA, there’s almost always a way to move players for something of value even if it requires some short-term pain.)
So Aaron is right that a trade exception could be no small thing. The Hawks likely wouldn’t be able to get a comparable player to J.J., or might have to take on an burdensome contract do so, but it would provide more possibilities than simply using the mid-level, bi-annual and minimum-salary exceptions to plug the hole.
– The latest on the Hawks coaching search: Dwane Casey is set for another interview, Avery Johnson’s desire for personnel power has been overstated, Larry Drew is being considered and Mark Jackson appears to be a long shot. Rick Sund apparently hasn’t even narrowed down his initial list of candidates to a leading group.
MC
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Rufus1
May 25th, 2010
11:36 pm
” Out of Town Stupid”
That is what Dan Berstein a Sports talk host in Chicago called people who think Deng or Hinrich are worth trading for…He said they are average at best.(Dan Patrick Show)
Deng..Can’t shoot the 3, unathletic and always hurt
Hinrich…Average shooter and a defensive liability at the SG.
Deng and Hinrich both make more the Marvin..
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9193
Loul Deng is the 2nd scoring option on a below average team…Marvin was the 6th on a good team…I will take Marvin over Deng for 5mil a year less.
An Adult
May 25th, 2010
11:36 pm
Gilley… what restraint… writing a few words before you claim first. You are not like the others who do this. Clearly, you must be at least a high school graduate. Congrats man, that’s just too much. It’s like winning a gold medal in the Olympics or maybe a Nobel Prize… wow. Your life is complete.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 26th, 2010
12:02 am
Some good stuff here.
JeJe
May 26th, 2010
12:53 am
Nash and Amare played 30 and 31 minutes.
And this is precisely why Woodson is a bad coach
LOL
Gentry >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Woody
Shawshank
May 26th, 2010
1:00 am
I want us to sign and trade JJ for DWade.
I know that sounds crazy but hear me out. JJ and MIami will not be thrilled but if neither lebron or bosh go to miami, I think ATL can offer wade the best supporting cast. Miami gets probably the best player they can get for wade if he makes up his mind that he wants to leave and JJ gets his max contract which based on how he played in the playoffs is no guarantee.
So what do you guys think? Does this even have a snowballs chance in hell of happening or am i just hawks homer dreaming in the offseason.
drmaryb
May 26th, 2010
1:04 am
NorthCyde
Co-Sign that 2:10 @.PM Post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We need a: Mahorn, Lambieer, Oakley Proto-Type in that paint! Problem is? The Commish – Stern has out-lawed the East-Coast defense from the ’80’s.
Them Pistons with Isaiah had – Bricks & Cain-Saws & Pepper – Spray & Tasers buried underneath that paint! If you come in the lane? They would peel it back & bash your brains in!
Stern out-lawed them tactics and put “Pink – Skirts” on the 4’s & 5’s! Now, that would be a Flagrant – 3!
& a 2 Game Suspension. Stern made the NBA like a NFL quarterback in a red-shirt @ training camp. (You Can’t Touch This! Ala: MC – Hammer!)
That used to be the DIFFERENCE between East Coast & West Coast! Not to mention the silly Hand-Check calls on the perimeter. Uuuggghhh! Pansy- Ball in full effect!
Playing tough is now an Art – Form!
The way it is now, you can only play TUFF in the play-offs. And even then it’s predicated upon who the REFS are & how many more TV Games they need to make money.
(I.E. revenue from commercials & ticket sales req’rd.) To promote the NBA propaganda.
Now, it takes a Super-Star to get to the FT – Lines! Gimmick calls – basically. That’s why I would never wager on a sports game! (See Donoghue – in prison)
Tell me that there is no corruption in sports & I got swamp land for sale in the dessert.
I MUS WRITE
May 26th, 2010
1:30 am
Kdogg-Its obvious you have’nt watched many hawks games this year. I dont understand your man crush on Marvin. He had maybe 6 good games out of 82 and this is your guy? Wow……… So basicly 13.5% of the games Marvin was respectable. Sorry but that doesnt cut it my friend.
After watching the game tonight I was wondering how Jared Dudley a second round pick is already more productive than Marvin.
Dragic is a player -had no idea he had game like that.
drmaryb
May 26th, 2010
1:42 am
Shawsahank?
D-Wade for Joe Johnson?
R U EFFIN’ me?
If U smoke crack? U are wack! If u don’t believe me? Ask Bobby & Whitney.
Pat Riley is in that front office & last time I checked, he’s drug-free. How is ot that. A 15 year old get’ s to have access to a computer without parental supervision?
This BLOG needs law enforcement to “Protect & Serve” the blog citizens.
We pay our taxes and we deserve better.
This BLOG is rated XXX. This is a Grown Folks conversation & Kids are not welcome.
My depends undergarment is full of pee & crap, I need a fresh diaper.
Please go away & post on My – Space!
sam'l
May 26th, 2010
2:51 am
Yes….It’s good to let us in on the nuts and bolts. Thanks MC.
But Deep Diver does a disservice to Sekou Smith. Sekou’s writing was always interesting and right to the point, written to the fan’s point of view…..and timely. There may have been technically better writers, Boston and LA come to mind, but their stuff is always highly slanted to feed the ego of their constituents. Sekou didn’t do that. He may have been the best sports writer in the country.
The Hawks are difficult to cover. This recent Woodson thing is an example. How could a writer look at the team, see glaring inconsistencies without writing about it…..game after game after game…..hear the same excuses game after game…without finally boring in on the central question……how come you’re not doing anything about it? Then, after broaching the question to the team or the coach, how could you expect to remain on good terms for any tidbits they might care to throw out?
Thanks to MC.. I think I get it…total disarray….discontent…..ineptitude….exactly the picture no one wanted…..but necessary to move on.
Sund better find a way to keep Joe….he better find a strategic genius to run this club…..his friends won’t cut it. Avery Johnson won’t cut it. When you lose hundreds of millions of dollars in a few years, paying a coach good money to right the ship more than makes up for itself.
MC…..you’re reporting on history (at least NBA history)…..perhaps the Death of a Franchise…….
sam'l
May 26th, 2010
2:58 am
Also, because I have nothing better to do…..I was going to mention the total irony of having the Hawks go 4-0 against Boston, Orlando go 4-0 against the Hawks and Boston go 4-0 against Orlando….but van Gundy (the vile toad) broke that pattern at the last minute.
After watching Dwight Howard throw a few more elbows and get away with it, I am convinced that I really wouldn’t want to win games that way……wouldn’t take that brand of play even if Hawks became the champs.
more irony……Ilgauskas took the easy (and squirrely) way out……and he got what he deserved…failure and the opportunity to be with a truly horrible team once Lebron cashes in.
Joe ain’t gonna be around unless Sund picks a real winner…….
vava74
May 26th, 2010
3:24 am
drmaryb,
the kid may be on crack for posting such an outrageously stupid possibility but you must be on good old fashioned amphetamines ’cause you are blazzing!!!
drmaryb
May 26th, 2010
5:46 am
VaVa
I need some amphetamines to read this stuff!
If you can purse your lips & say – “Sign & Trade Joe for D-Wade?”
First of all the Hawks can’t do “ISH” about Mr. Johnson – He is an UFA!
But, if you wanna DREAM? Then DREAM big & say, “Sign & Trade Joe for The Black Mamba!
Why risk jail time & rob a bank for $50 bills when you can rob it for $100 bills?
Either way – your azz is going to jail!
These idiots need to understand one thing – Joe Johnson is NOT the property of the Hawks right now.
The only thing the Hawks can do is – “Tell him how is azz taste!”
We can only S & T players that are under contracts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
guesswhosthis
May 26th, 2010
5:50 am
trade josh smith to golden state for their draft pick and draft al-farouq aminu. this guy is a freak athlete like josh smith but is quicker and plays the smallforward position. he also plays more aggressive and hustles more. put him in the starting lineup and bench marvin. that will make jeff teague more comfortable since they both played at wake forest. then trade jj for a legit center so that al horford can move to power forward. also use our own draft pick on elliot williams who can start at shooting guard. he can become the next dwyane wade. we need to find a way to get those two players from the draft. al-farouq aminu and elliot williams can make this team even more exciting than it already is. if you don’t know who thay are go check them out on youtube.
drmaryb
May 26th, 2010
6:01 am
Guesswhothisis?
This is Yo Mamma!
Now, take out the trash, clean your room, clean the gutters, rake the yard, walk the damned dog, wipe your azz real good when you s h I t & take your azz to bed without supper!
This is a blog for the Grown & Sexy! No kids under 18 allowed! Damned it!
drmaryb
May 26th, 2010
6:04 am
Yawn – Roll Over & going back to sleep.
Grandad
May 26th, 2010
6:21 am
drmaryb & vava74 – Good mornin’ !
vava: I mentioned earlier that you would enjoy this article.
drmaryb – You too!
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/magazine/15Battier-t.html
terrell
May 26th, 2010
7:12 am
Wont be long before those old legs in Boston get tired and start giving Orlando’s shooters open looks. They should’ve took em out in 4 when they had the chance. Magic in 7.
terrell
May 26th, 2010
7:19 am
Imus, I mentioned Dragic a while back. I said Dragic, Dudley, and Lopez for Smoove, Bibby and our 1st and 2nd rd picks this year.
Dragic/JJ/Dudley/Horford/Lopez
Teague/Crawford/Marvin/Zaza/FA
O'Brien
May 26th, 2010
7:21 am
Najeh,
Early in his rookie season, Dragic looked lost out there. But his coach stuck with him, told him to be confident, and still found PT for him (even in the fourth). Plus he got to learn from Nash. If he was a free agent, he could start for the Hawks next season.
If Dragic was drafted by the Hawks, he would have been brought along slowly and not thrown to the wolves. And would not look like the player he is right now. (Or he might have been traded for a vet PG).
Another opening might be closing soon. According to Marc Stein, “The New Orleans Hornets made a formal offer Tuesday to Boston Celtics assistant coach Tom Thibodeau to fill their coaching vacancy, according to sources with knowledge of the talks.”
I wonder how soon before Sund names our new HC.
terrell
May 26th, 2010
7:22 am
Nash/Richardson/Hill/Smoove/Amare
Bibby/Barbosa / / /
Big Ray
May 26th, 2010
7:44 am
Sund won’t be rushed.
For the record (not that anybody really cares to keep one, lol), I’m “okay” with Casey, if he ends up being the guy.
I like the post by Sam’l , where he refers to Ilgauskus, who spurned us for the Cavs, who had released him. Poetic justice…
dap01
May 26th, 2010
7:53 am
Urban Meyer: Go to your therapy session. Go to another blog and “break down”
Navigator
May 26th, 2010
8:13 am
Hey folks, please don’t defend any draft capability the Hawks have. They passed on CP3 and drafted Paul Gasol only to trade him away in a multi-player swap, and he never played a minute. Now for all of you deep thinkers think about those two being on the Hawks.
Big Ray
May 26th, 2010
8:16 am
“Marvin was going to be the next KG”
Yeah. The fact that he was coming off the bench at UNC was definitely an indicator that this was a certainty. The fact that we have struggled at both the pg position and the 3 spot is due to the failures of the 2005 and 2006 drafts. I’d love to “put this to bed”, but that’s just it….this the bed that was made, and now we’re sleeping in it….STILL.
Victory lap
May 26th, 2010
8:18 am
terrell
May 26th, 2010
7:22 am
I think that team has a lot of dynamics and is capable of competing effectively for a while. Its one of the best fantasy teams Ive seen on this blog sight. Way to shed some light.
Sund wont be rushed because he hasn’t got a clue and is just groping in the dark with no clear direction or understanding. Hes hoping for something to bail his stupid azzzz out.
Does favors the college kid rate higher than Horford,(if you play defense that should not be hard to do).
Does he compare to Howard? Can the man play defense block/alter shots in the NBA and control the flow of traffic in the paint? If he can do that then it will allow an offense to be much more versatile,
No matter who Sund chooses it a moot point. It definitely wont be an upgrade from where we are at now. The only thing that can upgrade the hawks is an Improved roster starting with a significant improvement in the middle,
A new GM wont hurt either.
“changing labels doesnt affect the contents of the package” – Who’d have thought.
Good point
May 26th, 2010
8:20 am
A Howard and Horford comparison
There names begin with “H’, they are males.
End of comparison
Good point
May 26th, 2010
8:25 am
refers to Ilgauskus, who spurned us for the Cavs, who had released him. Poetic justice……Blah,blah blah;
We did not really pursue Ilgauskus, It was just a token offer to appease the fans who knew we would not go far with out a center. Ilgauskus knew it and did not want to waste his time. If he had it to do over he would.
Good point
May 26th, 2010
8:37 am
*Their names begin with”H”
Samuel
May 26th, 2010
8:46 am
All of the blame for the Hawks being dismantled by the Orlando Magic was placed on Woodson. Yes, they looked horrible. Sure, many times people wondered why certain moves weren’t made, or why the Hawks seemed to be so slow to make changes, to adapt to the Magic’s attack, but that doesn’t change what Woodson accomplished as a head coach.
In six seasons as the Hawks head coach the team improved every single season. From a low of 12 wins in 2004-05 to 53 wins in 2009-10, some of that credit has to be given to Woodson – the players didn’t do it on their own.
Could he have done some things differently? Sure, in retrospect that’s easy to say. He also isn’t going to say if he told his players what they were doing wrong against the Magic and they simply didn’t do it. The fact of the matter is this Hawks team went exactly as far as anyone expected them to. Everyone can agree they were a top-four team in the East, but a top-two? Outside of Atlanta you would be hard-pressed to find anyone who thought that.
The thing is, players know when they are outmatched. Woodson gets the blame for how the Hawks lost that series (and almost lost the previous one with the Bucks), but to suggest Woodson missed – as the head coach – the things media and fans pointed out as the reasons they lost is simply unfair. He knew what the Hawks’ shortcomings were, but knowing that and being able to do something about it are totally different things. The Hawks lost because they had simply gone as far as the roster could take them. And Woodson takes the fall for that, not the people who assembled the team.
Or, NBA gods forbid, management face reality and accept the fact the team went as far as it could and choose instead to get better, rather than blaming someone.
Ramon
May 26th, 2010
9:08 am
Big Ray, I understand what you’re saying about the 2005 and 2006 drafts. But with all due respect you can’t just say add Paul/Williams and Roy/Rondo to THIS team. Because if the Hawks would’ve drafted one of those four players in stead of Marvin/Sheldon, the Hawks probably would’ve at least one more game. Remember in 2007 if the Hawks grabbed the 4th pick instead of the 3rd pick, they would’ve walked away with NO picks. So Horford wouldn’t have been here, and this would’ve lead to the Hawks having to overpay some journeyman big to play down low. Or worse, it would’ve lead to Zaza starting.
Everyone states that BK messed up on those two drafts. But even if you include the mistakes that BK made, he still put together the framework for a team that has been to three straight playoff appearances, and two straight 2nd round appearances. From the time Sund has taken over to when BK was here the starting line up has not change. And I would venture to say Bibby mainly became a liability on the court THIS past season. He’s never had good defense, but the trade for Bibby was a good trade. And once again, would you guys have trusted Woody with Chris Paul or even Rondo? In Woody’s eyes Rondo was just another Ivey, except with a lottery pick. Think about how many teams are wishing they would’ve gotten Josh Smith. Or how badly the Blazers are wishing they would’ve received the #3 pick in 2007 and we would’ve received the #1 pick, so we would have injured Oden and they could have All Star Al. But regardless of the mistake at the end of the day the job was done.
Fundamentals
May 26th, 2010
9:12 am
Samuel,
I’ll buy into some of your love of Woodson. I supported him till the end, but you can’t argue the guy coached for home court advantage, he coached for the regular season record, he didn’t prepare his players for the playoffs. When used correctly I think we had great personnel, something went wrong early in terms of player development, which in the end led to a demise in team chemistry. They gave up, plain and simple.
Cleveland gave up.
Orlando gave up.
Boston ran out of gas, but should conquer.
Suns finally believe in their pieces. It’s a series.
Playoffs are fickle. A great deal depends on the most vital ingredient – chemistry & believing in your system. Our team chose to be selfish and ultimately got embarassed for it.
Woodson always tried to stand up and cover for his team, they rarely did that for him. He paid the price, now we have to wait to see how the kids respond.
Good luck Mike. Thank you for some great years of Hawks Basketball.
Fundamentals
May 26th, 2010
9:23 am
Ramon,
No one will forgive and forget on the drafts of years past. What’s new, we’ve never had tremendous draft luck. The BK years actually netted us players that we still use, that’s a plus. Not something I remember happening much in the 15-20 years prior?
We need to discuss how we move forward? Getting a coach to define philosophy is step one.
Next Joe can decide what he wants to do, hopefully early.
After that we fill our holes with the best available talent. We still need:
Strong defensive SG/SF who can shoot the 3.
Strong defender/rebounder who can spell Al.
What are our best prospects?
Ramon
May 26th, 2010
9:34 am
Fundamentals, I’m still a strong believer that Haywood and Ronnie Brewer will fit both of those needs. And if there was a way that we could shred salary of Bibby or someone else’s I’d be for it also. I still would initiate a call to San Antonio to see what’s the price for Parker. If they hang up the phone, who cares.
O'Brien
May 26th, 2010
9:37 am
Samuel,
I agree with you partially. I was never a woody fan, but his players quit on him. And they are to be blamed for that. As professionals, to lay down like they did was unacceptable.
But woody could have done many things differently. He could have played bibby Less, and played teague more.
He could have come up with an offensive game plan that Did not rely so much on ISOs. He could have come up with other defensive options when the switching was not working.
He could have utilized his bench better. He could have not played favorites. He could have made adjustments sooner.
Again, players should take some of the blame, and i hope rick sund tweaks our roster accordingly. but as the HC, he should have had them better prepared. And there were lots of things he could have done differently.
Fundamentals
May 26th, 2010
10:00 am
Brewer might be a candidate to investigate. Haywood doesn’t excite me as much, but I will grant he’s a big body that is available and might be best available.
I don’t see Parker going anywhere, but who knows. Seems to be a number of quality point guards around of late. I still say Teague has a chance to prove he’s special. I’ll see what the new coach thinks and maybe make a move a the All-Star break for support if needed. He looked so good all last summer, but never got a shot the rest of the year.
Fundamentals
May 26th, 2010
10:02 am
Who would like to see Morris get a better shot in a new coaching system? I thought he showed he was worth what we paid him, potentially more given the right fit.
I MUS WRITE
May 26th, 2010
10:29 am
Terrell- That trade would kill 3 birds with one stone- we get a respectable SF sending marvin to his rightful place -the bench,we get the Center we desperately need, and an upgrade at PG……. After last night Phoenix would have to be absolute idiots to make that trade.
Grandad-Good Read I have always liked Shane Battier,mostly because of his goofy personality and brilliant mind,but he really is a good player that gets ignored by the masses-im glad he’s getting some shine.
Drmaryb- Your 1:42 am post left me scratching my head-crack smoking??? dirty diapers??? Maybe the guy is new here and doesnt understand how trades and Free Agency Works. Y do we need police protection on the blog again? FYI we have a policeman that roams this blog quite often -his name is Big Ray…..Do u feel safer now?
O’brien- Sund seems to be taking his time and i hope its because he is looking for the right fit for our talent,but the options are dry’n up -I am gonna be so pissed if Avery johnson is our guy. He has a bad track record with players -I want no part of a guy who makes a future HOF’er (jason kidd) look shakey and out of place on the court when he has been playing at a high level for years.
Also Devin Harris had problems with him too,but the following year he goes to NJ and becomes an All Star………….
Mike is Back
May 26th, 2010
10:52 am
Fundamentals and Samuel, Woodson did okay…he was a man of integrity…that was his greatest strength. Sund said it write…he was rewarded for his loyalty,…he was given every opportunity to retain his job.
No need to feel sorry for him, like he got a raw deal…or sumin. AT LEASE NOW…he has position himself as a viable option for another organization. I read where Woody had generated some interest from some teams…I think he will end up with LBrown in some capacity.
As a fan, I’m grateful for his service…and looking forward to a change of philosophy in our approach to the game. With or without JJ…this team has enough talent to make to the playoff next season. I supported Woody too…That is why I don’t feel sorry for him…he was given a fair chance.
That darn Mark Bradley all but convinced me Casey is the best fit for the Hawks with his latest blog on Casey…I wonder if Sund got some salt in game. lol
I would still prefer AJ, if we could get him…but I would not be disappointed if its Casey…which we know is likelihood. I still have to wonder why other teams are not making a hard push at Casey…if he is such a hot commodity.
Rod from College Park
May 26th, 2010
11:03 am
doc,
Trust me I am right there with you on Josh. All of his problems stem between his ears, and I don’t know if that can be corrected. He lost me when he took that three pointer in the Milwaukee series. That’s when I finally came to the realization that he might not ever become the player I thought he could be. But for northcyde to say he is soft, and Marvin is not, makes him lose all credibility with me. That’s all I was saying.
I MUS WRITE
May 26th, 2010
11:04 am
For the love of god man stop it………..
Samuel- I know that in your eyes Woodson is in the same league as Phil Jackson and Red Aurbach, but its over man he’s gone forever. The team did improve every year,but so did the talent/ aquiring -JJ,Horford,Crwford,Bibby along with a developing Josh Smith gave us the ability to compete night in night out.
Its like working in an office building and the supervisor is below average but the team is performing at a high level. The workers bust their humps and really make the department shine,but at the award ceremony the supervisor gets a plaque for his competency and leadership.
Just because Woodson was the coach it doesnt mean he was the reason we improved every year.
Its time for a breath of fresh air- No More:
Switch everything D- Zaza guarding B Jennings or Bibby guarding D Howard
Ridiculing Players and Confidence Snatching
“We just were’nt ready to play tonight” Y the hell not?
Folded Arms with that puzzled look on his face
Rookies super glued to the bench
I wish him the best but his number was up………………….
Mike is Back
May 26th, 2010
11:19 am
I MUS WRITE, very funny…but on point. lol
Sautee
May 26th, 2010
11:20 am
Truth-serum said:
“With all the tweaking woodson did to give horford more offensive touches he still only improved about 1 basket a game and his rebounds were about the same.”
LOL at “all the tweaking that Woodson did” Like he actually DID give a sh!t about offense.
Here’s the TRUTH: Horfords FGA’s were up a whopping 1.6 per game. Big tweak, eh?
And still because he raised his shooting % from .525% to .551% he scored 14.2 points. In other words with a raise in attempts of 18.1% he raised his scoring 23.4%.
Imagine what he’ll do with a coach who knows how to use him.
ryan
May 26th, 2010
11:22 am
I want somebody from Russia to buy the Hawks !
Fundamentals
May 26th, 2010
11:31 am
Definitely looking forward to the change of pace a new coach will bring. We need something new to motivate this team. New leadership will mean a new coach to impress. Hopefully he’ll demand the best and play the best. No more babying folks who aren’t producing.
Casey seems to be Sund & some AJC’s choice. He has the demeanor the owners like.
Lil General has his ups and his downs? What do the players think? Do they respect him enough to hear his chatter or will they tune out? Same applies for Sam and Byron – too loud for ownership and some players? Would the players respond to that?
I still like the idea of Tyrone Corbin getting a look.
Any insight on exactly what Drew proposed for his new look/leadership of the team? He has some player support?
My wife won’t rest until I recommend Steve Smith – great mind, great personality, great demeanor, hawks experience…but no coaching experience. Neither did Doc, but you see what happened?
Has Sund called Doc to see if he’d like to come home? Like the other blogger said about Parker, all they can do is say no?
Sautee
May 26th, 2010
11:37 am
Samuel,
You said this: “The thing is, players know when they are outmatched.”
LOL, Sam, did the BUCKS know they were outmatched?
They sure didn’t play like it.
Woody’s showing against Skiles was his undoing. Can you even imagine what WE would have looked like in the playoffs without JJ and Horford? That’s the Bucks, who took us to seven games without Redd and Bogut. Seriously Sam, can you even imagine us winning road playoff games without JJ and Horford?
Woody was NOT a bad coach. He was a decent coach who was too stubborn to make timely adjustments. But he was totally unmasked in the MIL series.
I MUS WRITE
May 26th, 2010
11:38 am
Fundamentals-Your wife may be on to something-I think we should atleast interview Smitty and Corbin. Im sure corbin has learned alot under Sloan,can u imagine our players playing in that Utah system…..We would be alot better IMO
Ramon
May 26th, 2010
11:42 am
Fundamentals, I would offer Doc Rivers upto $6 mil a season on a 5 year contract to come and coach the Hawks if I was ASG. True Boston are winning now. But he has to look at that roster and know realistically this is about the last year in their window to compete. And the Hawks window is barely opening. If he could turn Perkins and Rondo into very good players, imagine what he could do with Josh, Al, and Teague (all three are better athletes then any one on the Celtics team). One thing about Rivers is that I think he is made up of the PATIENCE that it would take to actually teach this team and build something.
Fundamentals
May 26th, 2010
11:54 am
Doc may not want to come after the snub we gave him when he was available. I wanted him when he went to the Magic and the Celtics. He was our leader, our general, our captain and we just passed.
He did the dirtiest think any Hawks fans could think of. He made pals with Ainge in Boston and has taught us a lesson about coaching since.
Doc would be the coach to really ignite the fan base here, old and new. Could he hire Tree as one of his defensive specialists? How bout Smitty for a shooting coach?
K-Dogg
May 26th, 2010
12:21 pm
On the cool their are not many good coaches out their so we may have to take one of these Assistant coaches thats never coached before and give them a try or go with Byron Scott or Avery at least they both have won rings as players and could maybe get into the heads of our guys of what it takes to get their.
K-Dogg
May 26th, 2010
12:24 pm
Yeah i like Doc too but Mark Price as the shooting coach has worked!! As long as a coach can bring in guys to match up with the 3 teams that have owned us the past 3 years since we have beceom a legit team im cool!!! If the L stayed the same next year i could go to vegas and make alot of money off of these Hawks b/c i know who they can and cant beat!!