Atlanta Hawks: Another Way With J.J.
While breaking down the Hawks’ options concerning J.J. and free agency, I mentioned in passing that the Hawks could gain a trade exception and perhaps a draft pick in a sign-and-trade with a team under the salary cap. Aaron, a moderator at Hawksquawk.net, emailed to say he thinks the exception (acquired in what’s known as a “non-simultaneous trade”) could be more beneficial than initially meets the eye:
“The traded player exception (TPE) the Hawks would get by trading him to a team under the cap would be extremely useful in future trades. It’s very possible that the Hawks could move Joe to somewhere like Chicago for a TPE and then turn around and use the TPE to acquire a replacement wing. Just off the top of my head, someone like Corey Maggette would definitely fit the mold of an available scoring wing. (Not sure how he’d feel about Crawford, but it’s just a thought). Joe wouldn’t mind because it wouldn’t affect his bottom line in a negative way, and the team receiving him would definitely be interested because it lowers his initial salary, thereby increasing the salary space they have to pursue complimentary players.”
(What he means by the lower initial salary is that because of the larger future raises available to a Bird Rules free agent, J.J.’s first-year salary would be lower in a sign-and-trade than in a straightforward signing.)
Good point by Aaron, and one that’s actually illustrated by the example I used in the post: Seattle’s sign-and-trade of Rashard Lewis to Orlando in 2008 for a $9 million trade exception and a second-round pick. In a non-simultaneous, a team can acquire up to 100 percent of the salary sent out plus $100,00 with any difference built up as a sort of credit known as a trade exception. Since draft picks have $0 value in trades until the player signs a rookie contract, the Hawks could get a pick and also get the full value of J.J.’s new contract as an exception and acquire a player(s) in a future trade (the limit is a year) without the requirement of matching salaries.
Typically, teams willing to trade a player without receiving a player in return tend to be teams looking to trim payroll and/or get out from under a contract (Maggette, to use Aaron’s example, has 3 years and $30.8 million left on his deal). And that’s pretty much what happened to the Sonics: they used the $9 million exception to acquire Kurt Thomas from the Suns, who were looking to shed payroll and gained an $8 million trade exception.
But the Sonics also got two first-round draft picks in that deal and later dealt Thomas to the Spurs for another first-round pick and a couple of expiring contracts. (That sequence of deals is one of the many examples of why Michael Gearon Jr.’s disdain for “bad contracts” can be a tad overstated: in the NBA, there’s almost always a way to move players for something of value even if it requires some short-term pain.)
So Aaron is right that a trade exception could be no small thing. The Hawks likely wouldn’t be able to get a comparable player to J.J., or might have to take on an burdensome contract do so, but it would provide more possibilities than simply using the mid-level, bi-annual and minimum-salary exceptions to plug the hole.
– The latest on the Hawks coaching search: Dwane Casey is set for another interview, Avery Johnson’s desire for personnel power has been overstated, Larry Drew is being considered and Mark Jackson appears to be a long shot. Rick Sund apparently hasn’t even narrowed down his initial list of candidates to a leading group.
MC
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Grandad
May 24th, 2010
6:40 pm
Okay, fodder for the Marvanthropists;
Grandad’s Trade of the Day:
* Houston gets Marv. Young talent, palatable contract,
coaches him up, (probably play the [5] for Adelman]
* We get Shane Battier. Vet, leader, def.stopper, exp. contract.
Grandad gets his favorite player. (can play [3] or stretch[4])
Trade works on NBA trade machine.
i_am_soulstar
May 24th, 2010
7:06 pm
Is it rebuilding time??? Pardon me, I’m feeling a bit negative today.
The Horford-Smith tandem in the front court was one of the best of the league. I’m not quite sure they’ve lived up to their potential. Both players are likely years away from their peak, it’d be crazy to trade either of them.
If Joe leaves, then maybe it’s time to keep Horford-Smith, kick the rest out, and rebuild around these two.
I hate to say it, but without Joe, it’s not likely we will be a contender next year, regardless of who’s drawing plays on the sideline.
There are just too many things that have to go right.
On a more positive note, if Joe stays, and Teague starts, I think the Hawks could be alot better defensively.
I’d love for us to be in the top 10 defensively in the league. When’s the last time that happened?
i_am_soulstar
May 24th, 2010
7:13 pm
Grandad, your trade proposals are usually the bane of my existence, but I really, really, really like that one.
The Truth
May 24th, 2010
7:19 pm
Big Ray
The question of “being more specific” is a good one and as you know is where the rubber usually meets the road. For example, if you look at “Big Baby Davis” for the Celtics, he’s no 7-footer either; he’s 6′-9″, but he weighs 289 lbs. He is an underrated skill baseline player. When he’s matched up against D Howard, he holds his own. Our problem has more to do bulk, weight and strength then just height. As good as Al and Josh are at their respective position, when it comes to the playoff, they will continue to be exploited. In the regular season, we can continue to operate just fine with them playing as they are. Why, because with 82-plus games played, we win the law of average. That will get us a playoff ticket but that’s about it. Beyond that, we are chasing “Fools Gold”. As for the question of naming specific players; as with all related solutions, hopefully that will be the job for the new coach. There will be a ton of FA on the market to make this task easier.
jroc
May 24th, 2010
7:21 pm
how about a sign and trade to send jj to the bucks for Salmons and Redd
JeJe
May 24th, 2010
7:32 pm
Big Ray, good post.
But I feel like most Hawks fans WANT A CENTER LIKE HAYWOOD and to KEEP Smoove, moving him to the 3 or insanely to the bench. That’s what pisses me off. If we can get Al Jefferson (not a great defender) or Bynum + trash for Smoove, why not?
Ramon
May 24th, 2010
7:32 pm
Grandad, I have been proposing that trade for the last 3 season, Marvin for Battier, or even Childress for Battier. I guess the deal makes too much sense for the Hawks to do it. But I must admit, its been a long time since the Hawks made a trade that they got the bad end of. Bibby was a good trade. Crawford was a good trade. No matter what they say JJ was a good trade (think about if Belkin was still the owner, he probably would’ve moved the Hawks by now).
JeJe
May 24th, 2010
7:32 pm
Big Ray, good post.
But I feel like most Hawks fans WANT A CENTER LIKE HAYWOOD and to KEEP Smoove, moving him to the 3 or insanely to the bench. That’s what pisses me off. If we can get Al Jefferson (not a great defender) or Bynum + trash for Smoove, why not??
JeJe
May 24th, 2010
7:34 pm
The problem with this team is we don’t have a 5th starter who is a specialty guy. An article in the NYTimes yesterday complimented Perkins and Barnes for being that solid 5th starter who does something well. We have Bibby who sucks and Marvin who is OK at everything, but not great.
And if bibby does not lose 15 pounds this summer (I proposed this LAST summer), just bench his ass. He’s useless. Sekou told me that Bibby looked a bit thick before TC lats year and that our athletic trainers would work him out. WTF did Bibby do last summer?
titanhawk
May 24th, 2010
7:38 pm
trade jamal and bibby for gilbert arenas. trade machine says it works. start teague,jj,gilbert,smooth and al. Draft another point guard, chill,marvin, joe, zaza for 2nd unit.
jroc
May 24th, 2010
7:40 pm
The only way a true big man would come to the Hawks is if they had a legite point gaurd to get him the ball Hopefully sund can bring in a coach that could run and gun These hawks are too young to play slow tempo b-ball.Run and gun and play solid defense on the other end thats what i think the hawks will have to do to make a longer run in the playoffs Open up the offense and stop running isos for jj makes rest of team uninterested Run and gun style offense and get everyone involved.
jroc
May 24th, 2010
7:58 pm
JJ would actually be crazy to leave Atl If he follows D-Wade or Le Boo Boo he turns to the role player he was in Phoenix aka Marvin Williams.Don’t be a follower jj stay in Atl and be a soft atl king
cp
May 24th, 2010
7:59 pm
Yea terrell I really don’t know what more people need to see from Marvin to realize he just aint got it. When he started with the second unit the last game of the season and looked like a guy who should have been coming off the bench himself, I told myself then that he just aint got the drive to get it done. Well I had already felt that way but that game just pushed that point forward even more. I wouldn’t be shocked if we could draft a guy at 24 who would give us the same production as Marvin if not better and would be cheaper. A guy I would like to see on the bench next season is Von Wafer. Dude attacks the rim and is a nice defender. I remember reading 2 years how nice he was looking while working out at the Hawks facility yet they didn’t offer him a contract. Stackhouse did the same last year. He is a better than Mo Evans defensively and offensively. He looked good coming off the bench in Houston 2 years ago . He played over seas last year and wants back in the NBA. He is an improvement over Mario and Mo in my opinion.
Tony
May 24th, 2010
8:08 pm
How do you fix the hawks? To tell you the truth i have no idea. But this is what i do know:
Center: Al Horford, what is wrong with Al playing center? I don’t get why we want to upgrade or trade him. How many centers in this league would I take over Al? Maybe Dwight or Yao (if he can stay healthy).
Power Foward: I’ve said time and time again this team goes as Josh goes. Sorry Joe. If he can continue to mature and develop watch out! That’s why I love Josh because he can dominate on both ends and NO ONE else on this team can do that!!!!
Small Forward: Marvin where are you!!!??? I am still hoping you blossom into that player Jay Bilas said you would be!!! (Jay don’t know crap!!)
Shooting Guard: I could care less if Joe stays. Screw YYYYOOOOOUUUU!!!
Point Guard: Jeff Teague. Nuff Said
Bench:
Jamaal Magloire, Zaza, J-Chill, Mo Evans, J-Craw, Bibby, and James Anderson (Draft Pick-Okst.)
No matter what I would not trade Josh, Al, or Teague
Big Ray
May 24th, 2010
8:14 pm
The Truth ,
For what it’s worth, I’ve just about always found your comments to be well thought out. I don’t have the answers either, I was just a bit starved for palatable conversation when it comes to tweaking the front line. Not that others don’t have good comments, but there is so much screaming of “GET A CENTER” with no preceeding cognitive process whatsoever that it gets old and makes me want to pull my hair out…with tweezers…I go with a very short cut…
JeJe ,
I hear ya, bro’. I’d rather trade Smoove than bench him or put him at the 3. But like you said, a trade needs to bring us a useful wide body like Jefferson or Bynum. Not sure we can get a guy like that so easily unless the other team has other good options at center.
Here’s an extremely wild thought: what if we could get somebody like Jason Thompson or maybe even Spencer Hawes from Sacramento? Of course, to make it work, they’d have to throw in more than just the one guy. Both guys have started around 59 games each (out of 72 total games each) last season, shooting similar percentages. Both averaged double figures in points, one is 7′0″, the other is 6′11″. Hawes got fewer rebounds (6.1) than Thompson (8.5), both averaged close to a block-and-a-half per game. Hawes is a better passer (2.2 apg).
Maybe get them to throw in Dominic McGuire, Donta Greene, or somebody like that and cash?
Jody
May 24th, 2010
8:30 pm
I might be wrong, but I thought it was Billy Knight who drafted Marvin Williams and not Mike Woodson.
http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/johnson/category/atlanta-hawks/
“Mike Woodson has done a great job all year with the Hawks and now it’s paying dividends. Maybe now management will back off and realize Woodson is one of the best young coaches in the league. Word has it that Woodson wanted the Hawks to draft Chris Paul or Deron Williams instead of Marvin Williams. I hate to imagine how good they would be if management listened to that plea.”
Jody
May 24th, 2010
8:31 pm
One more:
http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/shaun_powell/10/23/marvin.williams/index.html
“Billy Knight, the Hawks’ general manager at the time, obviously reached. Even though the Hawks were stocked at forward, and thin at guard, Knight thought Paul was too small. Whoops.”
Jody
May 24th, 2010
8:32 pm
And one more:
http://www.nbadimensions.net/forums/nba-forum/50414-espn-nba-draft-blog-decades-10-worst-draft-picks-best-worst-decade.html
See 5a.
O'Brien
May 24th, 2010
8:37 pm
Can someone tell me why would Houston trade Battier for Marvin? That makes no sense for Houston.
And for everyone talking about how the Hawks need size (and I agree they do), but please post a suggestion as to how the Hawks might acquire this size.
I wonder what kind of value ZaZa has around the league? Could we trade him? Although I like Haywood, I think his asking price will be too high.
Sund has a slow and deliberate way of doing things, but its not like being slow and deliberate has led to consistent successful results…
Jody
May 24th, 2010
8:46 pm
I don’t think the Hawks have to make a trade just to add size to the roster. I think there will be be some guys in free agency that they could look at. In order to win in the playoffs, your big people need to be good role players. It doesn’t matter if they score 20 pts. and grab 10 rebounds. If they can’t adequately defend their position without needing help, protect the paint and the defensive glass, you’re going to lose. If the Hawks do make a trade, I think they could strengthen other areas of the team. For example, look at the Celtics. How many of their big people are 20 and 10 guys? None, but yet they very well could win the title this year.
Jody
May 24th, 2010
8:50 pm
The Truth,
Co-sign all the way.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 24th, 2010
9:11 pm
I think the Rockets would part with Yao before they parted with Battier. Search for the NYT article about him by Michael Lewis and you’ll see why.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 24th, 2010
9:18 pm
Jody at 8:46 pm, great post.
Y’all can scream size size size all you want, but if you want to trade either of the Hawks’ All-Star caliber big men, you better make sure you’re getting an All-Star caliber center in return.
Al Jefferson is a very nice player whose game I’ve always liked, but he is roughly the same size as Horford — he may be a little heavier, but he is certainly no taller, and his reach is significantly shorter. Also, he’s coming off a season where his numbers all dipped significantly in the first year of a new contract, he has already suffered a serious knee injury in his career, and his rep has always been that he is a poor defender and a PF playing out of position at center. Trade Smoove or Horford for him at your own risk, and realize that in doing so, you’re probably not upgrading the Hawks’ ability to guard Howard at all.
Jody
May 24th, 2010
9:32 pm
Najeh Davenpoop,
That’s the thing. I don’t think you have to trade for an All-Star caliber big man. However, that doesn’t mean I would be against trading Al or Smoove if the deal was right and it stengthened the team. My main concern with the Hawks size is that, in the playoffs, they constantly need help inside. As I look at the Celtics big men in these playoffs, I think to myself, Al and Josh are arguably better players. But, when it comes defending the paint and having the size to do it consistently without help, I think all the Celtics bigs are better. I think people get so infatuated with the 20 and 10 statline that they don’t realize what really wins come playoff time. Charles Barkley once said that the game is won and lost in the paint and I truly believe that. When you consistently struggle to control the interior, you’re in trouble.
i_am_soulstar
May 24th, 2010
10:09 pm
Horford trade rumors don’t make any sense. There isn’t an attainable center in the league that is better than Horford, considering productivity and health. The guy made the all-star team for Christ’s sake, and he’s the Hawks most consistent player and highest percentage shooter in his 3rd year in the league. Why on Earth would you want to send this guy packing? If anything, he should be untouchable.
And then assuming that the Hawks grab a starter at the 5 (let’s say ummmmmm Shaq) and Horford moves to the 4, and Sund would rather trade Josh than have him come off the bench and play the 3. Josh is a pretty tough guy to replace, and is likely still improving. You get a big and trade Josh, you’re trading away a player that kills in steals, blocks, points, assists, and rebounds. And you trade this guy away when he hasn’t even peaked. I don’t know about you but I’d rather not be on the wrong side of a dirty deal that haunts this franchise for years to come.
Josh Smith 15.7 PPG 8.7 RPG 4.2 Assists 2.1 Blocks 1.6 Steals
Who else (besides Lebron) has a stat line like this and dominates both ends of the floor?
And he’s only 24.
O'Brien
May 24th, 2010
10:15 pm
Jody,
I agree with your post about size. Another problem for the hawks though, is we don’t play good team defense.
The defense from Jamal and Bibby allow easy penetration and easy looks inside. And then you add our switching, which leaves guys out of position if they don’t rotate quickly.
I look forward to seeing what our defense is like when we apply ball pressure, and reduce our switching.
Grandad
May 24th, 2010
10:31 pm
O’Brien – As I said above Battier 32 Marv 24.[age]
you people, no disrespect intended, have Marv
so undervalued because of your dislike for him
that your reasoning is clouded. Marv has better
stats than S.B. / Look it up. Oh now I suppose
your gonna use my arguments against me.[intangibles]
W/O intangibles Marv grades out better. Plus Marv
doesn’t have bad intangibles. So, why wouldn’t Houston
make that trade?
JeJe
May 24th, 2010
10:41 pm
Big Ray,
I’m a fan of all those guys (LOVE Thompson), but we need a lot more than that if we are to trade Smoove. After trading K-Mart, Sacramento’s talent level is depleted.
Really need this new coach to develop Teague more than anything. The guy plays defense, is athletic as hell, and has gotten bigger. He just needs to use his body on drives like Deron does, and get a jumpshot, and he’ll be very very solid
Jody
May 24th, 2010
10:42 pm
O’Brien,
Oh I agree. The team defense was bad and the switching philosophy was terribly flawed. However, it all starts with the interior. Your perimeter players can be really good defensively, but if opposing teams guards see midgets laying back in the paint, they’re going to drive the ball all day everyday. The Hawks bigs simply don’t scare anybody. Doc Rivers made an interesting comparison the other day. He said that Kendrick Perkins, in some ways, reminded him of Tree Rollins. Not in terms of the shot blocking ability, but because of his prescense and awareness defensively. Doc said that Tree made him a great defensive player because it allowed him to be more agressive defensively. He also deterred guards from wanting to drive the ball which gave the guards greater leverage defensively. That’s what Perkins does for the Celtics. The Hawks have no one who brings that to the table.
O'Brien
May 24th, 2010
10:44 pm
Grandad,
The main reason why Houston wont make that trade is because battier only has 1 year left on his deal. Marvin has 4 years left on his. Why tie yourself down to Marvin?
Not to mention the good defense battier plays. He even guards Kobe.
Grandad
May 24th, 2010
10:46 pm
Just to be clear!
I have never advocated trading Al.
When I suggest a trade for a Big,
usually I’m wanting a 3rd player
in a two position rotation.
J & A are fine but if we have a 3rd
man to add to that mix (starter quality)
plus a true [5] defensively / someone who
can defend the rim, then that’s what
I would push for.
A big that would in essence be another 6th man
(such as Jamal)only a frontcourt player.
Quality depth @ one of the two bigs!
_______________________________________________
Grandad’s Trade’s o’the Day notwithstanding.
Those are to stimulate conversation, reasoning
logic, and make people ”think” other than
dreaming up fantasy basketball trades.
Huh?
May 24th, 2010
11:03 pm
Smh! Even the knicks feel sorry for us lol.
http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/15/can-we-call-marvin-williams-a-bust-yet/
Concerned Fan
May 24th, 2010
11:07 pm
As I said before……
If you have to get rid of JOE Johnson, my suggestion is to try to sign and trade for a DANNY GRANGER. The guy is a legit star playing for a subpar team. They are the same size. He can play forward and shooting guard!!!! He is more athletic and can get to the basket whenever he wants. He doesn’t command a maximum contract like a Joe Johnson, he wont destroy your cap position, he is two years younger, and if you put him around the right group of people I believe that the 24ppg he averaged last season would do some major damage for you. Not to mention…… those numbers went down from previous years as he decided to play more team ball….. Now I’m no General Manager…. but i just felt I had to say this. The guy is waiting to blow up. If you can’t get him for Joe Johnson then something is wrong….. And WHO ELSE out there is even close to worth it if we can’t get a max contract player?!?! JUST A THOUGHT………
Najeh Davenpoop
May 24th, 2010
11:07 pm
Grandad, read this.
I don’t think the Rockets would trade Battier for Joe Johnson, to be honest with you. And other new-school execs who rely on adjusted plus/minus and what not, like OKC’s Sam Presti, probably would value Battier higher than any Hawks player too.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 24th, 2010
11:09 pm
And also, the issue with Marvin is not how good or bad he is. It is that he gets paid at least double what he is worth. As far as trade value is concerned, his biggest crime is not being a bust or a disappointment, it’s being overpaid. If he was getting paid the $4 million a year that he is worth, you could probably find several teams willing to take a flier on him. But nobody is going to trade for him at his current salary unless they are sending back equally terrible contracts.
Huh?
May 24th, 2010
11:16 pm
1st rd draft picks are going for about 3mill a pop. I hear Minnesota and some other teams want to sell. We need to get a couple. Draft Sherron Collins, a wing (or two), and maybe a center (or just court Brandan Heywood.)
Huh?
May 24th, 2010
11:17 pm
Mos Def. Trade Mike Bibby, Mo Evans, and Maybe Zaza if we can get someone better than him.
The Truth
May 24th, 2010
11:38 pm
Concerned Fan
Interesting point, financial though, what’s in it for the Pacer? Why would Indy take on a Max contract of a JJ for a modest contract in Granger for basically the same production? Also, what’s in it for JJ? OK perhaps he gets his max deal but if he gets this same deal on a more competitive team, then maybe he’s not so willing to do it.
Wabe
May 25th, 2010
12:01 am
You guys hear Mike Wilbon just now on the post-game show?
“The C’s played dumb down the stretch. They didn’t run anything…”
“They didn’t attack the defense, they sort of stopped and ran these ISO plays like they’re the ATL HAWKS…”
drmaryb
May 25th, 2010
12:04 am
Who DAT is?
That’s just my Grand-Daddy.
Who DAT is?
That’s just my Grand-Daddy.
Who DAT is?
That’s just my Grand-Daddy!
Girl shut -up! That ain’t yo Grand-Daddy …. That ain’t nobody but T-Bone!
Who is T-Bone? Gurl that’s just my Baby-Daddy!
G-Nite Grand-Daddy! Sleep – Tite!
niremetal
May 25th, 2010
12:05 am
I’m needy!
drmaryb
May 25th, 2010
12:09 am
SNAKES ON A PLANE
The Celtics flying back to Orlando on Tuesday……mmmmh. Cancel my ticket please, ill take another flight.
smh
May 25th, 2010
12:16 am
I’m sorry but those links proved nothing. One was Eddie Johnsons opinion and anybody who has read his stuff knows he doesn’t know what he is talking about half the time. The other is correct but guess what BK wanted Deron. I really don’t know how people still don’t know this info by now. Bk wanted Deron because he liked his size but Woodson thought he was poorly conditioned and wondered if he would be able to stay in shape. He also thought Paul was too small and couldn’t shoot because he came out and said it. I remember this like it was yesterday. Bk wanted Deron, others in the orginization wanted Paul, and Woodson wanted a vet pg. I think there was even a story about this about how everyone was divided about that pick Thats all Woodrow would talk about a vet pg to run his team. You really need to go back in the archives and read some of Woodrows quotes about what kind of guys he wanted. BK should have went with the pick he wanted. Woodpecker wanted no parts of CP3 or Deron. You can go back to the year they took Sheldon. All Woodson would talk about is they need size because they were giving up way too many points in the paint and needed a big.Woodrow hollered about wanting a vet pg the whole time he was here.
Grandad
May 25th, 2010
12:19 am
Najeh:
Dang all these new-age guys!
Catchin’ on to all us old schoolers.
The reason I love Battier so much,
and have since his college days, is
the old coach comin’ out in me.
He’s the kind of player I wanted on
my teams. I didn’t need a computer
to tell me though, I just watched ‘em
play. Battier is a warrior, leader,
a glue guy, a great teammate but 1st
and foremost he is a winner.
*Hondo
*Rodman
*Ron Harper
*Derek Fisher
*Kyle Lowry
*Chuck Hayes
*Eduardo Najera
*chauncey Billups
*Joakim Noah
*Bob Sura
Didn’t need a spreadsheet to tell me
these guys are winners either.
Bottom line you & O’B are right.
If you’re playin’ GM you gotta ‘try’ & snooker the other fella.
drmaryb
May 25th, 2010
12:22 am
Truth
JJ doesn’t speak often. Didn’t you see the presser with him & Smoove in RD 1?
Smoove got 99% of the questions & barked, ” JJ is the All-Star – ask him a question!”
JJ was slumped forward & I thought his head would hit the table. He looked like a sleepy hound.
Here’s my point: When asked about his trade situation toward seasons end?
JJ spoke! He clearly stated he would NOT play for a rebuilding team. Period.
(He is a man of action – Not words!
So people, please stop proposing DUMB trades of him going to a loser.
He likes this team that he has helped built. He wants a Coach who can get these guys on the same page offensively & defensively & with a better bench & to find its missing parts!
Silly Steve
May 25th, 2010
12:32 am
Big Ray,
Why would you want anyone from the kings… they suck! (aside from tyreke
)
Joeee Johnson
May 25th, 2010
12:35 am
Alright, listen this is the LAST time. I am a UFA UNRESTRICETED key word. All these sign and trades PIPE dreams are just that. The Hawks will do what I say when I say it. Not the other way around. Aint nobody goona trade Jack unless I approve it. Ya Digg??? Now the Hawks can either give me what I want OR I go where I WANT TO GO. Period!! So if they wont give me a max deal, Ill tell thier azzes to kick rocks and take a few million less to goto a REAL contender. There will be a championship team built this summer and if the HAWKS dont ante up thats my destination. Who’s ur Daddy? Whats my name whats my name whats my name…..
drmaryb
May 25th, 2010
12:38 am
Concerned?
Unless you are discussing a block-buster three team trade? JJ is NOT …. NOT. …NOT going to INDY!
Geez what part about we have NO NO NO rights to trade him anywhere!
He & his agent will find a team of his choosing & the Hawks can only REACT to it or not!
Geez – Man! Go get some sleep & leave us alone! OMG!
drmaryb
May 25th, 2010
12:58 am
Joooee Johnson
Thank You….Thank You…..Thank You!!! God Knows that dr.maryb Thanks You for your Brake Job on here!
I was posting simultaneously to you! I was in the process of cancelling my blog account until next season, when your blog popped up!
I can NOT listen to any more 15 year old crack heads posting about the Hawks trading Mr. Johnson somewhere. Thanks to you I may stick around a little. I was on my way to the Falcons “Bird Cage” Blog.
We have NO rights to Mr. Johnson peopke. We can only talk about trading the remaining players that ARE under contract!!!!!
That’s All Folks! Looney Tunes, Inc.
Ken Strickland
May 25th, 2010
1:01 am
Now that we’ve finally gotten rid of our biggest liability, HC MWoodson, everyone seems to be obsessed with getting rid of our assets. We don’t have to trade anyone, other than JJ if he refuses to resign, to become a much better team. We have to:
(1) Get a HC that actually gives a damn about the OFF and knows how to put one in place that can and will include everyone.
(2) Bring in a SG/SF combo player like CMaggette if JJ isn’t resigned, or,
(3) Resign JJ and get him to buy into the new OFF concept and not disrupt ball movement, or
(4) Promote JCrawford and draft a SG.
(5) Bring in another PG that can either start, or backup JTeague. Bibby should be the #3 backup PG/SG option.
(6) Resign JoSmith and RMorris.
Where do you get this idea that trading certain Hawk players you don’t like for players from other teams you do like will automatically make us a better team? Or, moving Horford to PF and replacing him with someone that’s not as productive, but is taller and fits whatever delusional idea some of you have of what a so called true center is.
Despite what any of you think, this team, with Smoove’s issues, Marvin and Bibby’s inconsistencies and lack of production, and Horford @ C, was still talented enough to overcome inadequate coaching, an OFF/DEF @ PG, an OFF liability @SF, and a flawed and limited half court DEF, OFF and OFF philosophy, to win 53gms.