
If J.J. walks, the Hawks won't be able to replace him with a comparable free agent. (Curtis Compton/ccompton@ajc.com)
Hawks GM Rick Sund said the team will do whatever it takes to re-sign Joe Johnson but he’s not writing the checks. One guy who is, ASG’s Michael Gearon Jr., said the Hawks would “react” once Johnson hits the free-agent market on July 1.
Gearon didn’t want to talk about J.J. this week but on the day after the Hawks’ season ended he offered some insight into his view on max contracts:
“The biggest problem most teams make is they sign a contract and it ends up being a bad contract. You look at the Miami Heat, Jermaine O’Neal makes $23 million a year. Is he a player that is worth $23 million a year? I would say probably not. If you look at our team, we’ve assembled a team where we try to stay away from bad contracts.
“That said, there isn’t a move we haven’t made. We thought it made sense to get Jamal Crawford here and increase the payroll, so we did that. With the salary cap, the only way go above that is trade players you have or you re-sign players you have where the payroll goes up. Since we bought the team the payroll has increased [by] $24 million What we haven’t done is make a mistake with a bad contract. Well, I shouldn’t say that, Speedy’s contract wasn’t very good, but we turned it into something [in the Crawford trade].”
The obvious counter to Gearon’s argument is getting players like O’Neal often requires signing (or trading for) deals that carry some risk on the back end. But clearly that’s not ASG’s philosophy and, as I’ve said before, it’s hard to blame them since there are only a few max-salary players who would excite fans to the point of offering a reasonable chance of a return on investment in this market. Gearon again:
“If somebody came to us tomorrow and said you can have LeBron for max money and it puts you in the luxury tax, I’d do it in a a heartbeat. But am I going to do that for Ilgauskas? Am I going to do it for Jermaine O’Neal? I don’t think so. . . .
“We have piled tens of millions of dollars into this product to make it good. But it’s also up to fans to show up and see your team and support your team. I think we’ve given them a product as exciting as any in the league. You want people to be there, you want them to support your team and be proud of it. I think we have a team that deserves that.”
No one knows for sure what J.J. can get on the market and/or at what point Sund’s “whatever it takes” is trumped by ASG’s fiscal restraint. But chances are if the Hawks are going to sign a major free agent this summer, it’s going to be J.J. Otherwise, due to salary-cap rules they don’t have many options for signing a comparable replacement.
You can either trust me on that, slog through the following detailed explanation (which could possibly make your head hurt and your eyeballs bleed) or skip down the paragraph that starts with “All of those moves technically would leave the Hawks with $8.1 million in cap room”. . . .
I’ve checked all of the following against info posted by cap expert Larry Coon. I also exchanged e-mails with Coon, who after years of providing friendly help for helpless hacks like me now is writing a blog at the New York Times Web site, among other places. I also corresponded with blog reader Robert Dinterman, who says he’s just a fan with a lot of CBA knowledge. I can tell you this is true, so Ps and thanks to Robert.
I’ve included the appropriate links if you are interested in how I came up with the numbers or are some kind of masochist (I don’t judge). I’m pretty confident it’s all accurate but I don’t claim to be a cap expert or any better than competent at simple arithmetic. If you think there are any errors in math or cap interpretation, please send me an email–mcunningham at ajc.com–and I will check it out and update where necessary.
As it stands, the Hawks have roughly $47.6 million committed to eight players next season when including Mo Evans’ $2.5 million. Let’s say Evans opts out and then J.J. and Josh Childress and all their other free agents signs elsewhere and/or the Hawks renounce all their free agents.
If all of that happens, then the following would come off the Hawks’ books for their total offseason salary of approximately $78.9 million, which includes committed salaries and cap holds for their free agents and the No. 24 draft pick (assuming they keep it):
Joe Johnson’s $15.8 million cap hold
As a Bird Free Agent, Johnson’s offseason salary figure is based on 150 % of previous salary, which is about $22.5 million, but the figure can’t exceed the maximum salary for a nine-year player, which hasn’t been determined yet but that Coon estimates will be about $15.8 million.
Josh Childress’ $10.9 million cap hold
Childress is a Bird Free Agent coming off the fourth year of his rookie-scale contract. According to the 2004-05 rookie scale, Childress’ fourth-year salary as the No. 6 pick was 26.8 percent more than his third-year salary of $2.86 million, or $3.6 million. (The higher salary is because Childress made about 120 percent more than the scale, which is allowable.) The $3.6 million is less than the league-defined average salary of $4.9 million in 2004-05. Therefore, Childress’ cap hold is 300 percent more than $3.6 million, or roughly $10.9 million.
Mo Evans’ $2.5 million salary
If Mo opts out, his salary is wiped out.
Mario West’s $1.06 million cap hold
As a three-year veteran who has been previously waived, West is a non-bird, restricted free agent. As such, his team salary is calculated as the greater of 120 percent of his previous salary ($572,344) or his qualifying offer. For West, the qualifying offer is the greater of 125 percent of his previous salary ($596,191) or the three-year vet minimum ($885,120) plus $175,000, which is $1.06 million.
Joe Smith’s $854,389 cap hold
Smith is a 12-year veteran with a minimum 2010-11 salary of $1.352 million, but since he’s played more than seasons any salary in excess of the two-year veteran minimum salary in 2010-11 ($854,389) is reimbursed by the league and not counted as part of team salary.
Jason Collins’ $854,389 cap hold
Collins is a nine-year veteran with a minimum 2010-11 salary of $1.229 million, but since he’s played more than three seasons any salary in excess of the two-year veteran minimum salary in 2010-11 ($854,389) is reimbursed by the league and not counted as part of team salary.
Randolph Morris $854,389 cap hold
Morris is a four-year veteran with a minimum 2010-11 salary of $992,680, but since he’s played more than three seasons any salary in excess of the two-year veteran minimum salary in 2010-11 ($854,389) is reimbursed by the league and not counted as part of the team salary.
Subtracting Evans’ option plus the free-agent holds would leave the Hawks’ salaries at about $46.1 million (committed salaries for seven players at $45.1 million plus the rookie scale amount of $964,000 for the 24th pick).
But other salary charges apply since the Hawks then would be under the salary cap (estimated by the league will be $56.1 million in 2010-11) and have only eight players when counting the players under contract plus the first-round pick. The roster charge for the four empty spots below 12 are based on the 2010-11 rookie minimum salary of $473,604, for a total of $1.89 million. That would increase the Hawks’ salary total to about $48 million ($46.1 million plus $1.9 million).
All of those moves technically would leave the Hawks with roughly $8.1 million in cap room, but they would be subject to holds for the mid-level and bi-annual exceptions. Those holds apply if adding them would put the Hawks over the cap. It’s hard to say if that will happen now because while the amount for the 2010-11 bi-annual exception is known ($2.08 million) the mid-level amount hasn’t yet been set (Coon is estimating it will be $5.73 million this season). Also, all these salary numbers are estimates while the league calculates them down to dollars and cents. No, really.
If the Hawks are subject to cap holds for the mid-level and bi-annual exceptions, they could renounce those exceptions to gain cap room. Either way, they would be looking at adding players by using either the mid-level and bi-annual exceptions or roughly $8 million in cap room plus minimum-salaried players. So even if Evans opts out, Johnson walks, Childress returns to Greece and/or the Hawks renounce those two and all of their other free agents, there’s still not much flexibility for the Hawks.
As for the Hawks using Johnson in a sign-and-trade to get more value in return, the best way for that to happen is trading him to a team that is over the salary cap. Teams with enough cap room can just sign Johnson straight up and, as everyone knows, there are lots of those teams this summer. Already the Heat are reported to have interest in Johnson, who has said he likes them, too.
If Johnson wants a maximum deal under the Bird rules and his new team agrees, he could go back to the Hawks and ask for a sign-and-trade (he can get six years instead of five and up to about $30 million more that way). But the Hawks wouldn’t have much leverage in that situation, especially if Johnson’s new team is offering him the non-bird max and the Hawks don’t want to go that high. In that case if the Hawks say no to a sign-and-trade, then J.J. could just sign with the new team for the non-bird max.
If the Hawks agreed to a sign-and-trade with Johnson’s new team, they could expect to get back something similar to what Seattle acquired in similar circumstances when Rashard Lewis bolted as a free agent for Orlando in 2007: a conditional second-rick pick and a trade exception.
All of this is a long, painful, mind-numbing way of saying Johnson’s value to the Hawks is enhanced not only because he’s their best player, but also because should he leave they won’t have the flexibility to sign a comparable player. The Hawks could try to get better through trades, but then the problem becomes their reluctance to break up their core group (and possibly weaken the roster in other areas) and the difficulty with trading bad contracts for better players. That’s not to mention ASG’s aversion to taking on large, long-term deals and paying the luxury tax (expected to be about $70 million in 2010-11).
So after three straight years in the playoffs and consecutive trips to the East semis, the Hawks would be hard-pressed to be as good or better next season if J.J. leaves. There could potentially be more flexibility the next season, with Jamal off the books and Bibby’s contract more tradeable, but who the heck knows what will happen between now and then.
Now excuse me while I go place bandages over my bleeding eyeballs.
MC
475 comments Add your comment
Ramon
May 21st, 2010
4:03 pm
Jojo the answer to your question—-NO! lol.
Cousin may turn out to be a great player. But something about him to me screams Derrick Coleman.
Ramon
May 21st, 2010
4:05 pm
Newkid, I wish Sund could turn Bibby, Marvin, and the 1st round pick into Arenas. I’d take that deal all day long.
CajunStorm
May 21st, 2010
4:07 pm
Jamal Crawford, Marvin Williams and a pick in a sign and trade for LeBron!!!! If he leaves! I’m gonna keep saying it until my Jedi Mind Trick powers kick in!!!
CajunStorm
May 21st, 2010
4:09 pm
Re-sign JJ and get Avery and after the above sign and trade we have a championship caliber team better than ANY other scenario LBJ has….including staying in Cleveland.
JoJo the Godfather
May 21st, 2010
4:10 pm
Ramon,
So you just have a feeling that Cousins will not play D, will have attitude & motivation problems his whole career, and will gain a bunch of weight and be out of the league in less than 10 yrs???
Also, I have to question your opinion now that you say you would give up players, a pick, and take on additional salary all for Arenas. That’s just crazy.
newkid
May 21st, 2010
4:11 pm
Big Ray,
Cuban’s loaded and always looking to ‘buy’ talent rather than develop it. With Dampier’s expiring and change, he might just go for a pitch that puts Zero in the backcourt with Kidd, along with a front line of Bulter, Haywood (re-signed), and Dirk. Just imagine the ‘wild west’ marketing opportunities that would await Zero in the rough and tumble land of Dallas cowboys and Texas rangers. Zero would be a legend upon arrival.
newkid
May 21st, 2010
4:14 pm
Ramon, you’re kidding right?
Grandad
May 21st, 2010
4:21 pm
O’Brien:
James Anderson / has been talked about alot on ESPNU
@ draft combine. Wierd how they sit and talk…You see
very little drills, lots of John Wall hype & interview.
NBAdraft.net had a funny line – Interesting 3 minutes;
watching Solomon Alabi drink blue gator-aide.
Read some good stuff on my guy ‘Xavier Henry’ on:
NBAdraft.net [his shooting] + measured he well 6-6.5 (shoes)
Probably have to trade up to 10 – 15 range to get him.
He worked out with SG’s. (lefty)
I think if we could trade up he would be a steal @ 8 or below !
Think Michael Redd.
One service has us looking @ Mikhail Torrance.
Grandad
May 21st, 2010
4:22 pm
*he measured well
not
*measured he well
JoJo the Godfather
May 21st, 2010
4:27 pm
Grandad, I like Mikhail Torrance or Dominique Jones at 24. Combo guards that can help with depth immediately. Jones plays good D and is not afraid to drive the lane and draw a foul. 3rd in NCAA in drawing fouls I believe. Torrance is a little more skilled offensively.
Diary of a 7th place finish
May 21st, 2010
4:27 pm
Teague / Bibby / #24 Pick
Johnson / Crawford
Williams / Childress
Horford / Jianlian
maybe 8th place
Pachulia / Cousins / Petro
Now you know, the rest of the story
May 21st, 2010
4:32 pm
And any sign and trade for a big star would mean the immediate trade of Al Horford and at least one other high salary player.
Grandad
May 21st, 2010
4:33 pm
Ramon just when I think I’ve got you straightened out,
You go & say the most illogical thing I can think of.
You say something bright:
”Cousins”
then you go all barmy:
”Arenas”
whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Ramon
May 21st, 2010
4:34 pm
Jojo, you’re not adding that much salary on when when Bibby and Marvin’s combine salary is $14 mil, and that’s not including the season where Marvin will be making over $8 mil. Arenas is scheduled to make $17 mil next season. so you’re adding $3 mil to your salary total next season, and changing two of the weakest positions on your squad into an all star who still managed to average over 20 ppg and 6 apg coming off injury. So yea I would consider it and I would probably take a chance if JJ resigned.
I rest my case
May 21st, 2010
4:37 pm
“You go & say the most illogical thing I can think of”
jay dubu
May 21st, 2010
4:37 pm
The NBA’s CBA makes it impossible to improve your team, other than through the draft. What they should do is fix the loophole that allowed Big Z (although, it didn’t seem to matter) to go back to the Cavs after the trade. And how is it that the Lakers were able to get Gasol from Memphis, for pratically nothing?
newkid
May 21st, 2010
4:37 pm
Gotta have the proper mix of buying (if you can afford it) and growing your own Blast; it’s about balance, unless you’re the Boss, Cuban, or a few of the other fat cats. If you exclusively buy (generally at exceeding high prices), you have no a priori assurance the on-court chemistry will work. You sometimes get just a collection of talented and expensive individual pieces with no Phil Jackson to make it all work. If you exclusively grow your own, you get the Clippers. Put me down for balance.
Ramon
May 21st, 2010
4:39 pm
Grandad, when it comes to trading Josh, a player who is constantly working on his game on his own, for Cousins who many consider to be 3 or 4 years away from being able to contribute consistently, then yea I would dismiss that. And rather JJ is here or not, Arenas is the type of personality (if remains healthy) that the culture of Atlanta would come out to see.
now you know...the rest of the story
May 21st, 2010
4:40 pm
hey cunningham…if sund said he would sign lebron and go over kuxury tax..why no sign DWade..he wanted to leave miami. and the hawks w/o joe are better than the heat.so Wade would love toplay here…
We could have had Amare!@ he was on the blocks too!
now you know...the rest of the story
May 21st, 2010
4:42 pm
jay dubu
May 21st, 2010
4:37 pm
The NBA’s CBA makes it impossible to improve your team, other than through the draft. What they should do is fix the loophole that allowed Big Z (although, it didn’t seem to matter) to go back to the Cavs after the trade. And how is it that the Lakers were able to get Gasol from Memphis, for pratically nothing?
Good GM’s and owners figure out a way…weve got Sund-of-a-bytch! aint shyyt happening!
Ramon
May 21st, 2010
4:42 pm
Grandad, I don’t know why but with Arenas, I see Moss and New England. Sometimes you have to take a gamble.
Grandad
May 21st, 2010
4:47 pm
Jerome Jordan’s stock will be going up.
7′+ / 7-5.5 w-span / destroyed Whiteside in drills.
per – tweet/twitter/twit/whatever that sheet is called.
drmaryb
May 21st, 2010
4:49 pm
Ramon
Thank You for squashing that JoJo – ISH! School is out for the summer, so all the 15 year old kids will be surfing the sports blogs now – Lord – please have mercy on us grown folks!
Josh for Yi? Gee Wiz!
As far as Arenas? I have always liked his game! I know he pulled a silly prank in Washington, DC. That was poor judgement on his part – especially after what that football player from the Giants did (aawwhh whays his name?) The Super Bowl wide reciever? Plexico Burress? Anyway, Arenas is a good guy who did a dumb thing!
I would like him here (Sorry Blue-Ray), but, we need some THUG on our soft azz team!
I wouldn’t trade Josh for Nobody though!
newkid
May 21st, 2010
4:53 pm
Really strong team culture and player leadership, really strong ownership, really strong coaching in New England. Much more likely that Patriots could fairly safely absorb a Moss, than it is that a rudderless Hawks could absorb a Zero. Horford and Crawford could handle, a few would ignore (so no chemistry whatsoever), and others would be influenced to their and the team’s detriment.
For a similar reason, Avery Johnson is likely not a good fit here. Avery’s personality is too strong for ownership (both individually and as a group), GM, AND players. Don’t think we’re ready yet for that sort of strength. If they’re smart, the ASG won’t start a brush fire they and the organization aren’t prepared to contain. Avery won’t stand for mediocrity, and our recent past is all about mediocrity.
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
May 21st, 2010
4:58 pm
I think we need to draft Mikhail Torrance
you bet
May 21st, 2010
5:02 pm
Avery is mediocrity
you bet
May 21st, 2010
5:04 pm
There were only 17 centers who defended the rim better than Horford!
drmaryb
May 21st, 2010
5:04 pm
NewKid
Great & Insightful post at 453 PM today. Very nice read on your perspective. Mmmmmh.
Ramon
May 21st, 2010
5:06 pm
Newkid, I understand what you’re saying. But keep in mind, Caron’s flame out in Dallas, and Jamison’s disappearing act in Cleveland shows you that it was really ARENAS who took the Wizards from the mess that Collins and MJ left them in, and turned them into a playoff team 3-4 seasons in a row.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 21st, 2010
5:10 pm
“Am I the only one who thinks Channing Frye will be overrated and overpaid this summer when he’s a free agent? I truly hope its not Atlanta who overpays for him.”
You’re not the only one. Anyone in Phoenix’s system is at least somewhat overrated. In fact, the only player I can think of who left Phoenix and continued to play at a level as high or higher than he did there is Joe Johnson. Marion, Q. Richardson, Diaw, Raja Bell… the list goes on, and will only lengthen when someone signs Amare to a max deal this offseason and finds out that his offensive abilities were inflated by Nash and his defense is subpar.
Grandad
May 21st, 2010
5:14 pm
Ramon – I’m gonna work with you…okay.
1st I don’t know what you’re talkin’about with Josh?
I don’t want to trade *Josh.
*editorial – G-dads T.o.t.D. sometimes does not reflect
Grandad’s real way o’ doin’ things.
They’re ideas to promote thought & exchange ideas.
Now back to Ramon:
Cousins – I’m with you…he’s a ”nut”.
Arenas – he’s a ”nut” also.
So if you don’t want Cousins, logic demands,
you don’t want Arenas !
Either one will destroy your locker room
and I don’t mean – they will paint graffiti
on the walls. Well they might do that too.
I hope you get my point.
Team = chemistry = good teammates = not shooting one another =
trust = not wanting to let your teammates down = cooperation =
sacrifice for a common goal = putting teammates first = TEAM =
newkid
May 21st, 2010
5:14 pm
Thanks drmaryb.
News from the combine. ‘The Beat’ (Paul George) continues to make an impression.
“Of the small forwards, Paul George stood out the most. He can play either wing position and he has great size and strength. He has a solid jumper and is very athletic.”
Make it happen Sund.
O'Brien
May 21st, 2010
5:15 pm
If none of the class A free agents end up in new York, I think Knicks trade for arenas (using Eddie curry’s expiring contract and filler). That way, they could resign David Lee and sign one other class B free agent.
Grandad
May 21st, 2010
5:18 pm
newkid:
Paul George – measured @ nearly 6-9.
His stock will soar.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 21st, 2010
5:24 pm
“Grandad, I don’t know why but with Arenas, I see Moss and New England. Sometimes you have to take a gamble.”
Moss at his best is the greatest receiver in NFL history. Arenas at his best is still a ball hogging, shoot first point guard who has never advanced past the first round. Besides, basketball is unique in that adding a super talented player can actually hurt you if he hogs the ball and takes bad shots, which is why players like Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis, and Arenas never had any meaningful playoff success. In football, adding a super talented player like Moss may not necessarily help you, depending on the circumstance, but it definitely won’t make you worse.
terrell
May 21st, 2010
5:24 pm
Bosh narrows his preferrred teams down to Miami, LA, NY, and Chicago. I’m sure most FA’s would narrow it down to those 4 teams. They have the most $. And the Lakers are the Lakers. lol!
northcyde
May 21st, 2010
5:27 pm
And Gilbert Arenas hasn’t done any more in his career than Joe Johnson. That cat will flat out shoot you out of a game with his ill-advised shots.
Gilbert, like Crawford, is a volume shooter. When he’s hot, he’s virtually unstoppable. When he’s cold, he doesn’t have sense enough to go into playmaker mode, so he continues to shoot . . . and shoot the team right out of the game.
And people talk about JJ’s leadership abilities. What leadership abilities does Gilbert possess? He and Eddie Jordan couldn’t see eye to eye, because while Eddie wanted more ball movement, Gilbert only trusted himself . . and his streaky jumper.
That’s a dude that will NEVER win anything, unless he’s forced to play off the ball and take a secondary role in an offense.
Ramon
May 21st, 2010
5:29 pm
Grandad, Arenas made a stupid mistake. He’s not a bad person with a history of negative situations. Before this happened, there were no rumors of Arenas being a bad teammate or being bad in the locker room. I really believe Arenas did that out of a joke. And if anyone’s trying to label him as a thug, then they don’t know much about a thug. This incident is GREAT evidence that he’s not a thug or a violent type. Because a ‘thug’ (I have many thugs as friends and family) would know to NEVER pull out your weapon if you’re not going to use it, and to never threaten someone if you’re not shooting 5 seconds after. Arenas made one of those Barkley’s idiotic moves. But he’s still a great teammate from all the reports that have come out over the last 12 years.
Also, the difference between Cousins and Arenas is Arenas is an All Star who has been on an All NBA squad. So its hard for me not to consider adding him when it would only mean the subtraction of Marvin and Bibby.
Grandad
May 21st, 2010
5:30 pm
drmaryb:
I agree we need a Bad *Ass.
drmaryb (please pardon my language)
*I do not consider ass a cuss word.
But we need a knock down, drag out:
Charles Oakley clone.
So that when LbJ or Vince or D.wade, et al,
come traipsing down the middle of ”OUR” lane
then…they should be snot-knocked on their
collective heinies.
Just not one that would disrupt the ”Team Attitude”
within the locker room.
Ramon
May 21st, 2010
5:32 pm
Northcyde, are you telling me a backcourt featuring JJ and Arenas wouldn’t be deadly for opposing teams? And that wouldn’t leave even more mismatches for Smoove and Horford on the low blocks with a coach who knows how to run offensive sets? Arenas isn’t NEEDED, but he wouldn’t be a step in the wrong direction either. I’d still take Tony Parker over him. But if he was available I would take him.
Ramon
May 21st, 2010
5:38 pm
Grandad, Sekou said that about 2-3 seasons ago that the Hawks needed a ‘Goon’. He was lobbying for Antonio Davis at the time.
Grandad
May 21st, 2010
5:45 pm
Ramon:
He HAD a ”GUN” / ”WEAPON” in the locker room. PERIOD.
AGAINST the ”LAW”. Joke or not.
Ramon, you just cannot take that chance !
C’mon now, use reason.
I’m sure you like the guy.
Hey, I like Artest, but I would not bring him in here.
Rodman worked because, 1st Isiah, then Jordan,
both strong leaders kept him in line.
It’s kinda like wagering:
I never gamble, period.
Occasionally, I accept a bet or wager.
Notice I said I never ever gamble.
Now, do you think I must wager with my heart or my head?
I only accept … if I -KNOW- I will win.
Surprisingly, some folks still challenge.
I don’t know everything, hardly anything, as a matter of fact.
But, rarely do I wager. Yet I always win.
Use reason my young lad.
Grandad
May 21st, 2010
5:47 pm
Ramon – He lobbied for Artest as well.
northcyde
May 21st, 2010
5:49 pm
As for Cousins . . . if Hawk fans wouldn’t trade Smoove ( or Al ) for Cousins, then we’re not serious in balancing out the team. Cousins is a MONSTER, and his measurements at the combines show that if he measures out well athletically, that he could be an instant success in the NBA.
Cousins would immediately balance out the Hawks, and give us a big body who could go up against Dwight on both the offensive and defensive end. That exactly the kind of player that is needed on the Hawks, and possibly the kind of player that would allow a guy like Horford to take his game to the next level.
Jersey in the end, is actually going to be thankful that they didn’t get the #1 pick. Not because Wall won’t be a star, because he will. But Jersey didn’t need a PG . . . they needed a PF. The Lopez – Cousins frontline will be a load to handle. And if they can woo just one good free agent, that team is going to become respectable real fast. Faster than they would become, had they been able to get Wall.
Having said all of that, I still think Evan Turner is the best player in this draft. That dude can do it all. He’s going to be a lethal scorer.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 21st, 2010
5:56 pm
“As for Cousins . . . if Hawk fans wouldn’t trade Smoove ( or Al ) for Cousins, then we’re not serious in balancing out the team. Cousins is a MONSTER, and his measurements at the combines show that if he measures out well athletically, that he could be an instant success in the NBA.”
All this assumes that he actually pans out. There have been several reports of him being a head case in his own right, and he is not as athletically gifted as either of the Hawks’ big men. Is it worth trading one of two established borderline All-Stars, neither one of whom has reached their own potential yet, for a guy who could be the next Kwame Brown or Tractor Traylor as easily as he could be a baby Shaq?
I am all for trading either Smoove or Al for a center of equal talent who is sure to give the Hawks that level of production. I am all for trading one of them for Wall, who appears to be a sure thing. Cousins has a lot of potential, but he is by no means a sure thing.
you bet
May 21st, 2010
6:01 pm
Thank you. Al is a nice person and a florida favorite. But we need a center who can play center not a power forward playing center.
northcyde
May 21st, 2010
6:03 pm
Ramon . . Gilbert has always been about himself, not the team. In Jamison and Butler, he was playing with guys who could easily get you 20 points at any time. And he couldn’t get it done with them.
Yeah, an Arenas – JJ backcourt looks great on paper. But I don’t trust Arenas at all to make good decisions, other than letting him shoot if he’s red hot.
I would love to see what Arenas’ career high in assist is. I know with JJ, it’s 17 . . . in a game where he struggled from the field, but went into playmaker mode and dished out 17 assists. I believe he had 9 pts – 9 rebs – 17 assists. For Arenas, I’d be shocked if he got over 15 in a game.
you bet
May 21st, 2010
6:05 pm
JJ’s not going to resign here. So think again!
Clyde
May 21st, 2010
6:06 pm
I’ve been on this blog for years and the same ole thing happens each summer. People get to talking bout who we should get and what needs to be done to fix the Hawks. Year after year it happens and at the end of the summer the Hawks end up signing nobody and we mess up the draft.
Clyde
May 21st, 2010
6:06 pm
Well Bosh it out