Atlanta Hawks: Roster Report
A version of this will appear in print but I had to cut down for space. I can’t be held back here. Based on reporting, educated guesses, observation and a big analytical assist from the Synergy Sports Machine.
Joe Johnson, 6-7, G
Contract: Unrestricted free agent
Look back: Media voted Johnson to the All-NBA third team, his first such honor. He also made the All-Star game for the fourth consecutive season. Johnson’s size, knack for creating his own shot, shooting ability, ball handling skills and ability to defend guards and forwards makes him one of the more versatile players in the league. His fine season was marred by a poor performance in the playoffs and his flip response to fans who booed him.
Look ahead: Hawks GM Rick Sund said he wants to re-sign Johnson, one of the top shooting guards in the league, but there are risks to giving him a an expensive, long-term deal. Johnson will be 29 this summer and production for shooting guards tends to decline around that age. His deliberate, one-on-one style was effective when he made baskets but tended to damage team dynamics at times. Johnson said he hasn’t ruled out a return to the Hawks but will test the market. If he signs elsewhere, the Hawks won’t have the flexibility to sign another high-priced free agent.
Al Horford, 6-10, C
Contract: $5.4 million in 2010-11, eligible for restricted free agency following the season
Look back: Named to the All-Star team in just his third pro season, Horford developed a reliable mid-range jump shot to go along with a pretty good post game. He’s one of the top post defenders in the league despite being undersized for his position. Emerged as a leader late in the season, publicly calling out teammates for poor effort in the Orlando series.
Look ahead: Horford said he plans to continue to develop his jump shot and also a counter-move in the post. Horford has one more season left on his rookie-scale contract and the Hawks can secure the right to match any offer he receives as a restricted free agent. Since he’s one of the best bargains in the league, he wouldn’t seem to be a trade candidate.
Josh Smith, 6-9, F
Contract: $11.6 million in 2010-11, with two years and $25.6 million after that
Look back: In many ways it was a breakout season for Smith, who was the runner up to Dwight Howard for Defensive Player of the Year and second-team All Defense. Smith was often the energy guy, starting runs by blocking shots, getting steals, and running the floor. He became a very good passer for a power forward and was particularly effective with setting up teammates for open jump shots. But he had a high turnover rate for his position, continued to shoot long jump shots despite a very poor percentage and was lax on running out to shooters. Smith also sometimes lost focus when he got frustrated.
Look ahead: Smith made the decision to stop shooting 3-pointers after watching video of his games last summer. He said he will go to the video again this summer so perhaps he will figure out those long jump shots are not an effective option and also see how his sulking affects his effort. Still, Smith had a very good season overall. He probably would have good trade value due to his production, age, and relatively palatable contract.
Jamal Crawford, 6-5, G
Contract: $10.1 million in 2010-11
Look back: Sund’s trade for Crawford turned out to be one of the best deals in the league. Crawford was the Hawks’ second-leading scorer and provided punch off the bench while earning the Sixth Man of the Year award. He’s an excellent scorer, adept at getting his points in isolation, as a spot-up shooter, or coming off screens, and he was the best on the team at attacking on pick-and-rolls. He’s not a good defender overall, especially in isolation, but he was adequate on pick-and-rolls and closing out on shooters.
Look ahead: Crawford likely will draw a lot of trade interest due to his expiring contract and scoring prowess, but those are the same things that make him valuable to the Hawks.
Marvin Williams, 6-9, F
Contract: $6.7 million in 2010-11, with two years and $15.8 million and a $7.5 million player option in 2013-14 after that
Look back: The Hawks re-signed Williams last summer and he had a disappointing season. He was inconsistent offensively, especially in his primary role as a spot-up shooter. Defensively, opponents had success isolating Williams and bulling past him to the basket and also taking advantage of his weak closeouts. Williams had long stretches with little production.
Look ahead: Williams is an unselfish player, but he was too passive in a perimeter-oriented offense where he’s no better than the fourth scoring option. The Hawks hope getting Williams more involved in offensive sets can help him reach his considerable potential. He’ll be only 24-years old next season, so if he can make a major improvement he’ll be an asset to the Hawks either as a quality small forward or a trade chip.
Mike Bibby, 6-2, G
Contract: $5.6 million in 2010-11, $6.2 million in 2011-12
Look back: Bibby wasn’t really a traditional point guard for the Hawks, instead leaving most of the ball handing duties to Johnson. Bibby excelled both as a spot-up shooter and with catch-and-shoots off screens and is a floor leader. But he was a defensive liability, especially against pick-and-rolls, forcing the Hawks to switch on screens. Bibby’s defensive positioning and awareness remain high but his quickness has declined.
Look ahead: The Hawks appear ready to give Jeff Teague a chance to supplant Bibby as the starter. That would make Bibby an expensive backup, but his contract might make it difficult to trade him next season.
Zaza Pachulia, 6-11, C
Contract: $4.25 million in 2010-11, two years and $13 million after that
Look back: Pachulia was the primary backup center and, other than a mid-season lull, was mostly adequate in that role. His post defense was so-so but he was good at challenging opponents when they stepped out to shoot. Pachulia’s offensive production on pick-and-rolls was surprisingly high and he was good at drawing fouls.
Look ahead: Pachulia finished the season strong. Still, his relatively modest salary for an effective backup center and the Hawks’ potential desire for a starting-caliber center means he could be a trade candidate.
Mo Evans, 6-5, G/F
Contract: $2.5 million player option for 2010-11
Look back: The first wing player off the bench occasionally grumbled about playing time but eventually found a consistent role as the first wing off the bench. Touted for his defense, Evans was good in isolation but struggled to defend guards on pick-and-rolls and forwards on post-ups. He had good production when getting shots as a cutter but made just 30 percent of his spot-up jump shots.
Look ahead: Evans said he likes it with the Hawks but hasn’t decided if he will exercise his option.
Jeff Teague, 6-2, G
Contract: $1.47 million in 2010-11, with two additional team option years
Look back: The No. 19 overall draft pick never found consistent minutes in Mike Woodson’s rotation. Teague proved to be a very good defender in isolation due to his quickness but struggled at times with team defensive concepts. He was an excellent scorer in transition but the rest of his game is a work in progress.
Look ahead: Teague will play for the team’s summer league entry in Las Vegas with the hope he can be ready to be the starter in 2010-11.
Joe Smith, 6-10, F
Contract: Unrestricted free agent
Look back: Smith was brought in for his size and playoffs experience but he was an afterthought by the time the postseason arrived. He wasn’t consistent when he did get minutes.
Look ahead: Smith, who played in his 1000th game this season, said his body feels good and he’d like to play a couple more seasons. He said he would welcome a return to the Hawks.
Jason Collins, 7-0, C
Contract: Unrestricted free agent
Look back: Acquired to deal with either Shaquille O’Neal and Dwight Howard in the playoffs, Collins drew Howard in the Eastern Conference semifinals. The results weren’t impressive.
Look ahead: He’ll be 32-years old next season and has declining mobility so it’s not certain the Hawks will want him back
Randolph Morris, 6-11, C
Contract: Unrestricted free agent
Look back: Morris, a Landmark Christian product, spent the most time on the inactive list for the Hawks.
Look ahead: Still only 24-years old but with just 74 games and 437 minutes over four seasons he’ll likely be searching for a job.
Mario West, 6-5, G
Contract: Restricted free agent
Look back: Released during training camp, then signed to consecutive 10-day contracts in January before sticking for the rest of the season. Played spot minutes as a perimeter defender.
Look ahead: The Hawks must extend a qualifying offer to retain right of first refusal.
Others:
Josh Childress, 6-8, F
Contract: Restricted free agent; he has a contract option with Greek team Olympiakos for 2010-11
Look back: Childress played four seasons for the Hawks but in 2008 decided to accept a three-year, $20 million contract with Olympiakos of the Euroleague. He was the team’s second-leading scorer this season.
Look ahead: Childress has until July 15 to decide if he will play for Olympiakos next season or return to the NBA. The Hawks plan to extend a one-year, $4.8 million qualifying offer to Childress. They would then maintain his NBA rights and also have the right to match any free-agent offer sheets he signs. The Hawks could also use Childress in a sign-and-trade transaction.
MC
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154 comments Add your comment
nick s
May 13th, 2010
10:59 pm
perkins wishes he could guard Al on the block he get ate alive everytime.
Jody
May 13th, 2010
10:59 pm
By the way, the matchup between Jamison and Garnett in the post is one of the main reasons the Cavs are going home.
Jody
May 13th, 2010
11:00 pm
Regular season yes. Playoffs are a different story.
Mel
May 13th, 2010
11:06 pm
Mel
May 13th, 2010
11:07 pm
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hawkfan
May 13th, 2010
11:08 pm
wow this Cavs team is almost like the Hawks this post season, look good during the regular season then come playoff time a totally different team, both teams running isos, Lebron and Joe Johnson both free agents this summer, both quitting at the end, both franchise’s fans want their head coach fired, both haven’t won a NBA championship in their respective cities of now, only thing going for us is that Joe Johnson did not have as much pressure as Lebron and ppl in Atlanta still would move on without him
nick s
May 13th, 2010
11:09 pm
The hawks front line can handle theirs for the most part with some exceptions, but the problem lies in our defensive scheme. When they have to constantly help out because the opposing team’s PG is running through the paint butt naked how can you expect them to play “BIG”. If they are chasing the PG around being “BIG” is not ideal. When the PG comes to them they take advantage with the block or altered shot. We need a center and and some perimeter defenders.
What happened to Marvin this year? He was at least an above average defender last year but this year he was slow footed and show little catch up speed and technique. after looking at this years playoffs how much would Tony Allen cost. We need a perimeter defender with some grit.
Mel
May 13th, 2010
11:10 pm
im a New yorker, I pray he comes to the Knicks LeBron not Joe… I want Joe in ATL..
northcyde
May 13th, 2010
11:10 pm
So the Cavs will hire Woody, and try to coax JJ to join him in Cleveland . . .
northcyde
May 13th, 2010
11:16 pm
I typed part of this on Hawksquawk the other day, when Hubie Brown was talking about analyzing what your players have done vs the Top 6 teams in the league, in order to come up with an offensive gameplan for the playoffs.
Here is what our top 4 players did against those top 6 teams ( CLE, ORL, LAL, DAL, DEN, PHX )
Joe Johnson
CLE . . 21 pts – 6 rebs – 3.5 asst – 46% FG
ORL . . 16 pts – 6 rebs – 5 asst – 38% FG
LAL . . 26 pts – 6 rebs – 6 asst – 50% FG
DAL . . 29 pts – 6 rebs – 6.5 asst – 53% FG
DEN . . 19 pts – 6 rebs – 7 asst – 45% FG
PHX . . 19 pts- 7.5 rebs – 4 asst – 42% FG
((( Orlando definitely had JJ’s number, I think, because the presence of Howard takes away his favorite shot . . . the floater )))
Josh Smith
CLE . .15 pts – 7 rebs – 4 asst – 50% FG
ORL . . 14 pts – 8 rebs – 3 asst – 40% FG
LAL . . 9.5 pts – 7 rebs – 6.5 asst – 41% FG
DAL . . 15 pts – 8.5 rebs – 5 asst – 46% FG
DEN . . 19.5 pts – 9 rebs – 4.5 asst – 62% FG
PHX . . 20 pts – 10 rebs – 2 asst – 50% FG
(((( the extremely low shooting % against Orlando and the Lakers doesn’t surprise me one bit. Big and athletic frontlines always give him trouble )))
Al Horford
CLE . .11 pts – 8 rebs – 3 asst – 43% FG
ORL . . 8 pts – 7 rebs – 1 asst – 53% FG
LAL . . 8 pts – 7 rebs – 1 asst – 50% FG
DAL . . 12 pts – 7 rebs – 2.5 asst – 35% FG
DEN . . 14.5 pts – 11.5 rebs – 3 asst – 79% FG
PHX . . 17 pts – 9 rebs – 0.5 asst – 61% FG
(((( As with Josh Smith, no surprise that his numbers are way down against the teams with big centers – Shaq, Howard, Bynum )))
Jamal Crawford
CLE . . 18 pts – 4 rebs – 2 asst – 40% FG
ORL . . 12.5 pts – 2.5 rebs – 2 asst – 31% FG
LAL . . 15.5 pts – 2.5 rebs – 1.5 asst – 39% FG
DAL . . 12 pts – 2.5 rebs – 2.5 asst – 29% FG
DEN . . 24.5 pts – 3.5 rebs – 3 asst – 57% FG
PHX . . 16 pts – 1.5 rebs – 2.5 asst – 38% FG
((( For all of you who are Jamal Crawford supporters . . look at his FG% against those top teams. If we lose JJ, this is a huge RED FLAG for all of those who think he can step up in the absence of JJ
*************
So when people talk about we need to get bigger, I think this is kind of what they’re talking about. It’s pretty much a known fact that both Horford and Smoove tend to struggle against the bigger frontlines.
N-Trigue
May 13th, 2010
11:26 pm
To trade Josh would just be stupid!!! Please wake up that will not happen under a new coach Josh will be just fine!if josh was gone are defense would be in serious trouble!!! Look for hawks to try and ship either Marvin, Childress or Maurice and draft picks to get better. Joe will be back unless he decides to sign elsewhere and Josh is to valuable with homegrown roots for a star lacked organization to trade away after they messed up and traded Nique away and are still paying for that dumb move!
pinoy hawk
May 13th, 2010
11:36 pm
Mr. northcyde: on the other hand, if JJ goes this means more scoring opportunities for JC, JT, Smoove and Al. Even bibby and marvin can benefit if they step up their game.
I’m more worried on the defensive side. Who’ll guard the other team’s best pg/sg or even sf? Bibby and JC cannot guard ANYONE. Evans and Marvin are inconsistent and JT has limited mins.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 13th, 2010
11:40 pm
Whether Joe stays or goes and whether the Hawks keep or trade Smoove, this team is not going to get better offensively against good teams without more ball movement, and that means either putting the ball in the hands of Jeff Teague or bringing in a point guard via trade that will get the ball moving. All of those field goal percentages against top teams, bottom teams, and whoever else will only go up with more ball movement in this offense.
ant banks
May 13th, 2010
11:41 pm
NEXT YEAR could really be the hawks year. orlando, cleveland, boston are so over the cap that they are goin’ to have to drop some people.
sund needs to be creative and get some good pieces in here. we may get to ecf next year., dependin’ on what is done durin’ the summa
A Sate of FLUX!!
May 13th, 2010
11:45 pm
Atleast Lebron shook hands this time although he took that jersey off fast as hell. Man the NBA is going to look strange next year.Guys are gonna be moving all over the Place. There is NO REASON the HAWKS cant come out this summer with a serious TEAM that could go all the way. I LOVE Doc Rivers as a player even more so as a Coach. That the kinda coach you need. A true PG and a TRUE Center Sharpshooter and we are good.
Plenty of chips to make it happen Captain.. Marvin Josh Bibby Zsa Zsa draft pick. Sund goes on the hot seat if he cant build in this STATE OF FLUX!!!
TRADE HORFORD
May 13th, 2010
11:54 pm
TRADE HORFORD NOW!
TRADE HORFORD
May 13th, 2010
11:55 pm
GET A REAL CENTER AND GET RID OF THIS DEFENSELESS BUM
Section 303
May 13th, 2010
11:56 pm
I just have a bad feeling going into this offseason. The Hawks might really suck next year.
I hate reading that they have no flexibility to sign a big free agent (not that one would ever come here) if Joe Johnson does not resign. Can someone explain that to me? Just thinking that if Joe leaves, wouldn’t that clear out a ton of room to sign someone else? Guess the best to hope for is a sign-and-trade involving Joe and a team stupid enough to take him.
I don’t really care if Mo Evans leaves. In fact, I kind of hope he does. That guy just got worse as the year went on. Looks like anyone else of relevence is under contract.
Trade Josh? I think that might be a good move. Trade Jamal? I don’t think so. He comes off the books next year, anyways. Plus, we will need his scoring.
How about Ray Allen? How about Chuck Hayes? Two tough vets…one helps with shooting, the other with physical play.
Section 303
May 13th, 2010
11:58 pm
TRADE HORFORD, I’m just going to assume that you are tyring to be funny and failing miserably. Why don’t you go to bed and let the adults talk?
Big Ray
May 14th, 2010
12:08 am
How come everyone isn’t crucifying LeBron for lackluster play but love to crap all over Joe Johnson……things that make you say hmmmm!!!!!
Probably because Joe plays (played..) for the Hawks, and Lebron plays for the Cavs, meaning that Hawks fans have better things to do than watch everything Lebron does.
Having said that, this is why I have not, and never will consider Lebron to be better than Kobe Bryant until Kobe either…
A) Finally begins to truly slow down
or
B) Lebron finally becomes that true assassin.
Kobe is that guy. STILL. Lebron still ain’t that guy.
And Mike Brown might be in more trouble than Mike Woodson. You lose with that roster?
Grandad
May 14th, 2010
12:09 am
Najeh:
*[This was an excerpt from my post on the previous blog]
There was a blurb later in the post where I stated
‘Deng’ could be flipped in a trade as well.
Plus I never mentioned other pos. [FA] signings or trades
which would balance the team & stengthen bench.
*e,g., Kyle Lowry/pg to compete @ the pos.+ add heart/toughness
We send:
*Josh (valuable / I don’t care what you say!)
*Marv (more valuable than you think)
*Teaguer (Wdsn diminished value)
*Zaza (a Big is a Big)
We get from Chicago:
*Joakim Noah [5]
*kirk Hinrich [1] with exp.
*Luol Deng [cushion if Joe leaves]”
**However, I did say bash away!
Great.
nc surely you were’t suggesting M.Gasol is = to or
as valuable as Big Al.
Big Ray
May 14th, 2010
12:10 am
I’m a Josh Smith fan, but if the Bulls were willing to take Josh for him, I’d give Rick Sund a personal police escort there, myself.
Section 303 ,
That’s our old buddy Truth Serum, most likely. Nobody hates Horford more than he does. Not even Clyde (Mr. “Fire Woody”).
Big Ray
May 14th, 2010
12:13 am
Grandad ,
I’d go for that trade.
As for the Marc Gasol/ Al Horford thing…..their stats make them alot alike. If one were determined to get a taller and heavier guy at center, come hell or high water, that’s the deal to make. Both are young, both are good rebounders. Northcyde pretty much covered their differences/similarities.
I would not do this as a straight up trade. It would have to be something like Horford/Marvin for Gasol/Gay. Even then, it would leave a bad taste in my mouth. And we’d still have to be thinking about Smith.
If we lose Joe, I see a massive or at least very significant trade coming from Sund.
darrell starks
May 14th, 2010
12:16 am
GRANDAD what a horrible trade you make that trade hawks win 25 games at best, HOW DO JOAKIM, KIRK, LUO, MAKE YOU BETTER ?
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
May 14th, 2010
12:22 am
If you trade josh you better get a star caliber player otherwise josh stay, josh has 2 much value right now to get just okay players.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
Big Ray
May 14th, 2010
12:24 am
Oh brother….
darrell starks
May 14th, 2010
12:26 am
Dam i wish arthur blanks was the owner pick up lebron right now in a jet and wine him down the next day he’s in a hawks uniform.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!
Grandad
May 14th, 2010
12:46 am
darrell starks: *[this was my entire post]
Trade Proposal: [from last blog]
[works on NBA trade machine]
We send:
*Josh (valuable / I don’t care what you say!)
*Marv (more valuable than you think)
*Teaguer (Wdsn diminished value)
*Zaza (a Big is a Big)
We get from Chicago:
*Joakim Noah [5]
*kirk Hinrich [1] with exp.
*Luol Deng [cushion if Joe leaves]
This trade is NO more ignorant than others I’ve seen
on this board in the last couple of days.
We get a [1] and a [5] needed plus a *[3]:
*that can be flipped in a trade.
Chi. gets a *Big, + Josh + Marv / age & palatable contract.
**imagine Josh & Rose on the break!***
Plus a young back-up for Rose or trade option.[Teague]
Also shed Hinrich’s contract.
****Contingent on Chicago being in play for LbJ.
or (maybe not)
*****RUMORS*****swirling
**[from most recent post]**
Plus I never mentioned other pos. [FA] signings or trades
which would balance the team & stengthen bench.
*e,g., Kyle Lowry/pg to compete @ the pos.+ add heart/toughness
***Draft – Brian Zoubek (1st round)***
reasons listed – many moons ago!
You asked / Now I will try to answer / logically.
Here goes:
****(one)premis Joe stays:
(1) Hinrich/Lowry
(2) Jamal
(3) Joe
(4) Al
(5) J.Noah
(6)man mid level ex. [FA]
+ Deng = trade chip
+ Childress/either plays or is traded
+ Zoubek
+ Joe Smith
*****Joe leaves:
(1) same
(2) same
(3) Deng or Childress or mid level ex.[FA]
(4) same
(5) same
(6) man = lower lev. ex. [FA] or trade
rest of bench same.
darrell starks
May 14th, 2010
12:53 am
Big brother ray i have always like rudy gay, that trade RUDY, GASOL, for HORFORD, and MARVIN would be a steal for the hawks.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
May 14th, 2010
1:05 am
GRANDAD HINRICH AND JAMAL starting at the 1 and 2 and JOE at the three is not good, hinrich is not the point guard that will make this team better, and jamal starting 82games at the 2 is not good, he would get kill by bigger guards at the 2 and joe is better suited at the 2 than the 3.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
Grandad
May 14th, 2010
1:11 am
A couple of comments.
Joakim Noah:
11 pts.
11 rebs.
1.5 blks.
2 assts.
runs like a dear.
plays hard & smart.
not afraid of LbJ.
plays with passion
great former teammate with Al/chemistry = champions
whats not to like?
The Celts proved tonite a few things about:
STAR v TEAM with:
exp.
passion
will
heart
desire
focus
goals
team
together
leadership
pride
singlemindedness
purpose
Five of the same beats one ace.
(had to bend that last ‘un a little dab)
darrell starks
May 14th, 2010
1:20 am
GRANDAD i like the trade scenario that big brother ray suggested.
HORFORD, MARVIN, for RUDY AND GASOL BUT I WOULD PERFER JOSH over HORFORD but that trade your working with something.
and you sign and trade chill and teague and may be the 24# for devin harris and resign joe.
STARTER DEVIN, JOE, RUDY, JOSH, MARC GASOL.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
Najeh Davenpoop
May 14th, 2010
1:22 am
I’d rather have Noah at $10-11 million per year (which is more or less what he will get once his rookie contract is up) than Bosh at a max contract. No question.
Grandad
May 14th, 2010
1:28 am
darrell starks:
You’re probably right.
Mine did have logic.
The point pos. Lowry would compete / in my world.
Mine got us a center. Mine had more logic than 95%
of the proposals I’ve seen on here lately.
Mine was not perfect but neither were this yrs. Hawks.
KH – could swing between [1] & [2].
Noah & Lowry both play their ass off.
*ass ain’t a cuss word.
Al + or minus anybody for Gasol & Gay.
No…no…no…no…no…no…no…no…!
Did we ‘ ‘NOT’ ‘ learn tonite. [Celtics]
Basketball: “is about people”
All those qualities I listed above.
You don’t trade those:
Those qualities = Al Horford!
MsDee
May 14th, 2010
1:32 am
HANDS DOWN,,,AL HORFORD is a keeper!!He is the 1 the Hawks should build around and I sure hope our next coach will realize that!!
MsDee
May 14th, 2010
1:33 am
As a PF of course..we NEED a true center in here plus a great PG in someone like Devin Harris with Teague our back-up for real this time!!
Grandad
May 14th, 2010
1:43 am
In my humble opinion, Marc Gasol is a nice piece
on a team that has other winning parts. However,
he is not a championship [5]. He is not his brother.
He would not be an up-grade over Al @ the[5] pos.
You could possibly sacrifice Josh for a difference maker.
MG is not a dif. maker.
I would not trade Josh for MG.
I would not trade Josh & Marv for MG & Rudy.
One has to see more than the stats.
Josh has some intangiles that have been overshadowed
by a nat. televised poor display.
Four games should not overcome the good will
he built up over the entirety of this ‘whole’ season.
You do not trade Al unless you get DH.
you do not trade Josh unless as stated above;
you get a dif. maker + a need.
Also Rudy is not the vast up-grade over Marv
which everyone seems to think.
Once again Wdsn has de-valued the product.
I’m tired.
Grandad
May 14th, 2010
1:45 am
*intangibles*
Grandad
May 14th, 2010
1:49 am
I read today:
Noah [around the league] is more highly
thought of / or ranked / than Lopez [NJ].
As a franchise center.
That surprised me.
darrell starks
May 14th, 2010
1:57 am
GRANDAD you wouldn’t trade sorry marvin who now is worth only a bag of peanut and horford for and 23 year up and coming star in rudy and 7′1 marc gasol who is a true center wow!!!!!!!!
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
Woodys No Goody
May 14th, 2010
2:01 am
Wow! That was not the LeBron I saw play against the Hawks this year. Might wanna check his bank account next month because something seems really fishy how “bad” he played. Good luck with that Knicks.
FIRE WOODY!!
bigdave
May 14th, 2010
2:08 am
“Perkins is 6′10″, the same height as Horford. ”
thats being a bit generous.. he’s closer to Josh than Perk…
———-
the queen played like someone had money on his head or someone close to him… 9 turns. his performance this whole series left a lot to be desired..
Najeh Davenpoop
May 14th, 2010
2:20 am
Blog ate my post, but here’s a trade possibility I thought of… may be a little far-fetched, but I’ll let y’all decide how possible and how beneficial it may be. ESPN’s trade machine doesn’t allow players with expiring deals next year to be traded right now for some reason, but I don’t think that’s a limitation in July when trading season begins; either way, I can’t check on the trade machine whether this works, but just by adding salaries in my head I think it does. I’m not going to go into the details I wrote in the eaten post, but you can see the respective teams’ salary outlays here and .
Hawks get: Darren Collison, Emeka Okafor, Peja Stojakovic
Hornets get: Jamal Crawford, Marvin Williams, Mike Bibby, Zaza Pachulia
Grandad
May 14th, 2010
2:55 am
darrell starks:
Sorry my good friend, but I could not in good
conscience make that trade.
The key is I would not include Al or Josh
for either Rudy or Gasol straight up.
That kills the trade right there for me.
Plus RG can be had as a [FA].
we can get a Big w/o giving up Al.
Maybe Josh but not Al.
Must be a Dif. Maker.
just because someone is 7 ft.
doesn’t make him necessarily valuable.
A. Bargnani would be a better fit if you
just wanted a 7 ftr. He can stretch the floor.
About Marv…just because you percieve him to be
awful don’t let that cause you to lessen your
return in expected trade value for Al.
Kinda like you trade 1+4=5 so we will take back 2+3=5.
You end up with the same total:
but you gave up the better player.
Grandad
May 14th, 2010
2:56 am
*perceive – dadgummit !
Grandad
May 14th, 2010
2:59 am
bigdave – Al & Perkins both 6-10, dif. is Perk goes 280+.
RicoCarty
May 14th, 2010
7:53 am
where is ereybody.
O'Brien
May 14th, 2010
7:59 am
Najeh,
I dont like Okafor’s contract (about 4 years, $42 mil).
ESPN is too close to the NBA to have their analysts slamming LeBron. I think if he was on TNT it would have been a different story.
Dude had 9 TOs, and except for the two 3s he made in the fourth, he did not stand out to me (although its hard to stand out when nobody besides Mo Williams stepped up). Shaq was brought in with the intention of being able to match up one on one vs Howard. Unfortunately for the Cavs, they didn’t make it to Orlando.
From what I’ve been reading and watching, I’m thinking Chicago goes after LeBron, offering Deng and filler in a S&T. And then LeBron would recruit JJ or Bosh to join him. Or the Bulls could sign LeBron outright, and try a S&T for JJ or Bosh.
Bulls are tempting because very good young PG in Rose, good young center in Noah, and with a coaching vacanacy, LeBron could help pick the coach he wants. And if he goes to Chicago, why wouldnt JJ or Bosh want to join him (they can form their own big 3).
One more thing on the Teague discussion: Rondo averaged 4.5 points, 3.0 rebounds, 2.9 assists, and 1.3 steals in 18 minutes during 53 games off the bench. I can’t imagine him making an impact with those kind of numbers.
But once he became a starter, Rondo averaged 10.6 points, 5.4 rebounds, 5.8 assists, and 2.4 steals in 36 minutes over 25 games. So before we criticize Teague and his numbers as not being ready, lets give him some time first.
Dap01
May 14th, 2010
8:04 am
I am tired of having to listen to how Lebron lost. The Cavs lost. It is a team sport. Where is the sportsmanship? It’s all about what a team can do for an individual and not what a player can do for a team.
I like Lebron, who doesn’t. But even his interviews have become a chance for Lebron to talk about Lebron and what kind of man he is.
Boring.
Grandad
May 14th, 2010
8:19 am
O’B – I’m hearing Calipari to Chicago with LbJ.
Maybe that’s reason enough for Noah to leave.
I don’t think they care much for one another.