Atlanta Hawks: J.J. Flirts With Miami Heat
Michael Wallace of the Miami Herald reports that J.J. says the Heat is a “great situation” and that he’s willing to switch from shooting guard to small forward to play alongside Dwyane Wade. The interest between J.J. and the Heat is mutual, according to Wallace.
It’s hard to get a read on Johnson regarding free agency. Depending on which day you asked him, he was liable to stick to his “keeping all my options open, we’ll see what happens” line, go with the “I’d love to stay in Atlanta” stance or occasionally let slip the flirtatious signals he sent to the Heat via Wallace. Is Johnson just being a good businessman or does he really want to leave the Hawks? He insisted that the way the season ended, with fans booing him off the court in what could be his final game, didn’t sour him on staying.
J.J. has said before that he doesn’t care about being The Man. Of course, like all players, he would like to be paid like The Man. And if the Heat strikes out on LeBron and decide J.J. is their guy, they’ll have to make the same determination as the Hawks: Can J.J. abandon the deliberate, ball-dominating offensive style he slid into with the Hawks? As bad it was at times with the Hawks, imagine how well Iso-Joe would play when D-Wade is option No. 1.
My feeling is the Hawks haven’t ruled out the possibility that J.J. can change his style if surrounded by the proper personnel and with some strong urging from the coach. He wasn’t Iso-Joe in Phoenix, after all. But neither was he The Man there, so it’s no certainty that he can modify his game.
MC
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terrell
May 13th, 2010
12:34 am
Or sign and trade JJ to New Orleans for Collison and Marcus Thornton.
We get a pg and a sg for a sg.
jusdatfly
May 13th, 2010
12:41 am
There is alot of speculation going on but non of these people have any hard proof to prove their point so I would give my opinon that JJ stay with the Hawks. While everyone is trying to blame him for the team losing remember that it is called a team for a reason meaning when they win as a team they lose as one to so there is no one person to blame the problems on.An as for what JJ said about the fans I understand were he was coming from no excuses for it but the fans are supposed to be behind their team no matter rwhat even if he/she is not playing up to his ability especially if you are a die-hard fan. On another note about J Smoove he is not immature he just let he fustration get to him sometimes and just cause he plays basketball you see that as reason to point out that flaw but if it was just a person you knew that would not be a factor also people get mad sometimes and they can’t control it especially when a ref is calling stupid fouls that are not necessary,
Big Ray
May 13th, 2010
12:53 am
Bryce ,
Throughout the season, Teague’s playing time was up and down, but mostly between the DNP and 4-10 minute range. There are actually two sample sets to use. Both including significant minutes, and both include consistent minutes. Again, I’m not saying that either is “proof” of anything, just a basis for opinion, or an indication of what might be.
In the preseason, Teague played decently, despite his jumper not falling all the time. Through 7 preseason games, Teague averaged 26.8 minutes per game. He averaged 12.1 points, 4.3 assists, and shot 33.8%. Okay, we have all agreed that the shooting percentage sucks. Yet the points and assists are there (along with 1 steal per game). Also, while preseason is no guaranteed indication of what a guy will do, it’s certainly not summer league.
But here is where the rubber meets the road a bit more:
There was only one point in the season where Teague had consistent and significant minutes. That was in a 5 game stretch in December. During this time (December 9-December 18). In those five games, Teague averaged 21 minutes per game, he shot 17 of 35 from the field (48.5%), gathered 26 assists (5.2 per game) and had 42 points total (8.4 per game).
Again, just a small sample size, but the only time during the season that the minutes were consistent and significant .
Now, would you say that was merely an anomaly, or would that make you think maybe the kid could contribute more if he were played more (say, 15 mpg)?
Right after that 5 game stretch, his minutes went down and became inconsistent once again. He would play 2-4 minutes one night, 8 the next, 3, then maybe 20, whatever.
He didn’t get many opportunities to play above 10 minutes per game after that, and really didn’t do much until the season finale, wherein he torched the Cavs reserves for 24 points and 15 assists, shooting 11 of 19 from the floor.
Big Ray
May 13th, 2010
1:14 am
And just like before, this post will probably get ignored or dismissed outright. Cest la Vie…
northcyde
May 13th, 2010
1:27 am
Big Ray, I’m at Wal-Mart right now. But when I get home, I’m going to try to put a significant dent in your Teague counterpoint. And it’s a point that I’ve made all year about the kid.
Grandad
May 13th, 2010
1:41 am
Rufus1″
“Nike has already paid Lebron” – [You said it]
Yessir, That’s why they own him.
You reckon ‘ ‘N I K E’ ‘ would rather have him in NY or LA?
I’m bettin’ I’ve got more Ga. & Atl. ties than you.
So don’t act as if I have some bias toward those:
* northern oppressors
or
* Los Angeleans either.
Navigator
May 13th, 2010
1:46 am
First, you’ll never get a decent post from a writer that can’t even use a name, Joe Johnson. I get really tired of these so call sports people that want to be buddy buddy with the players. I think going to Miami would really be good for the Hawks, can you imagine being second banana to a real star like Dwayne Wade. I can see the sulking now that J.J. isn’t getting enough attention for being one of the 3-4 best players in the league. Let him take his act their, and use the money to bring in a team player to mesh with the already good talent on this team.
The Truth
May 13th, 2010
1:50 am
It songs like Sund is setting up to remain status quo. If his only evaluating criterion is the regular season success of 53 wins which the tea leaves suggests, then accordingly, Woody keeps his job and JJ gets a new deal. That also suggests he will likely take the tweak approach. Add a few pieces here and there and call it a day. We shall see.
Grandad
May 13th, 2010
1:51 am
***JOE GETS TO PICK WHERE HE WANT TO GO -(NOT the HAWKS)***
***PEOPLE PLEASE OUIT THINKING WE GET TO ORCHESTRATE A S & T***
***JOE IS AN UNRESTRICTED FA UNRESTRICTED MEANS NO RESTRICTIONS***
Grandad
May 13th, 2010
1:57 am
My worst post ever.
Thats what I get for yelling.
Totally incoherent.
Not up to my standards.
Please accept my apologies.
Evening, all.
Big Ray
May 13th, 2010
2:15 am
Northcyde ,
Do your worst. If your point is that Teague doesn’t shoot well, I’ve already conceded that. My point was that over one small stretch of consistency, he did well. That alone might have prompted me to think that perhaps playing him a bit more might not be a bad idea.
On the other hand, 53 wins justifies Woody’s decision to play him exactly as he did. Except, those wins meant nothing in the playoffs, where we had no options at the point guard position aside from Bibby (outmanned in both series) and Jamal (the guy you gleefully roast at every opportunity, and the stats back you up quite well).
Could playing Teague a bit more and trying to develop him into an option at backup pg have hurt the Hawks in the standings? Possibly, but I’m inclined to think not. Could it have helped? Again, possibly, and I’m inclined to think so. Can I back this up with stats? Not really, it’s an opinion, and that’s all it is.
We disagree on whether or not we think Teague can be a player in this league. Something tells me whatever point you wish to make is no more likely to convince me that your opinion is right and mine is wrong, than MY opinion is going to convince you of vice versa.
And I can’t believe you are following along with this on your I-Phone…at Wal-Mart. I had to laugh, sorry, it was funny. Not funny in the way of deriding you, just funny that you mentioned it.
But I look forward to the argument I’m liable to disagree with. Discussion is good…
Big Ray
May 13th, 2010
2:23 am
Oh, and I remember I’m taking on the “King of Research”, so don’t think I didn’t do my homework, although I wasn’t thinking about you when I did it. This is an old argument, the names have changed, that’s about it. Always attack the logic, not the person. As I said, I look forward to this, I expect to learn something.
Big Ray
May 13th, 2010
2:25 am
Grandad ,
You aren’t the only one who has been shouting that. Joe and his agent are what this is all about. The Hawks can offer everything in the world, but if Joe wants to be gone, he’s gone. That’s not hate, that’s staying married to reality.
Some people say “be careful what you wish for.” Why? Somebody call me back when the wishes of fans become the determining factor in all basketball operations of a sports franchise….
Big Ray
May 13th, 2010
2:28 am
Northcyde ,
You do realize that you’ll never make it out of Wal-Mart on time, don’t you? It never happens. You go there for ONE thing. ONE thing. You leave with TEN (if you’re lucky, and didn’t bring the wife, but she’s good at sending text messages).
You go there for TEN, and you leave with THIRTY-FIVE things. By the time you get a well-researched (sorry, but after naming yourself king of that segment, I am compelled to pick at you for at least 4 months about it), MC will have posted a new blog.
And it will all be because of……WAL-MART!!!!!!
Big Ray
May 13th, 2010
2:29 am
Should have read: “By the time you get a well-researched post cranked out.”
The Truth
May 13th, 2010
2:55 am
Because JJ gets a new deal as speculated doesn’t mean he takes it, it just means Sund is willing to up the ante and make him a new offer. This is all part of typical negotiation. Sund is sending out the message that he wants to meet and show some love. This will open up options to both parties. Since JJ is under the control of his agent, all sorts of leaks and rumors will be heard to sweeten the cake. We should believe nor of what we hear and only half of what we see at this point regarding JJ and the Hawks.
TheHawksAreDoomed
May 13th, 2010
3:10 am
“If Johnson signs with another team, Sund said the Hawks wouldn’t have the flexibility to sign a comparable free agent. They would be limited to using their salary-cap exceptions to sign mid- and minimum-salaried free agents”
Najeh Davenpoop
May 13th, 2010
3:10 am
All of you are missing the point about Teague. There’s no point trying to extrapolate Teague’s possible production from the limited stats that are available of him. The main argument for playing him is not that he’s that great; it’s that Bibby is THAT BAD. The one thing Bibby can supposedly do is shoot, and he sucked at even that for a good solid 4 months of the regular season. Teague, by default, is already as good as or better than Bibby at every aspect of the point guard position other than limiting turnovers (for which you can’t give Bibby too much credit anyway, since more often than not he’s just giving and receiving handoffs to and from Joe Johnson) and shooting. Yes, the Hawks were best in the NBA at limiting turnovers, but they were middle of the pack in defensive efficiency despite having good defensive players at every position. Chances are the improved on-ball defense from having Teague on the floor (especially if he played with the backup big men who can’t switch onto guards as well as Horford) would have more than made up for the increased number of turnovers that would result from playing a rookie point guard.
Who knows, maybe Teague will end up being a bust. The point is that WE WILL HAVE NO IDEA UNTIL HE GETS A CHANCE TO PROVE HIMSELF. What we do know already is that Bibby sucks; no amount of convincing is going to get me to believe that if you decreased Bibby’s unproductive 27 minutes per game to 20 and gave those extra 7 minutes to Teague that the Hawks’ record would have been any worse. Chances are, their regular season record would have stayed the same and Teague would have been much better prepared to come in as a defensive replacement to guard Jennings and Nelson for key stretches in the playoffs.
If there was a league-average starting point guard on the Hawks, playing Teague spot minutes and DNP-ing him more than half of the time would be perfectly justified. When your starting point guard is far below league average at all but one aspect of the game, there’s no excuse not to play Teague, no matter how raw he might be and no matter how bad he may suck. Give me the sucky rookie who might get better over the sucky veteran who is only going to get worse every day of the week.
Big Ray
May 13th, 2010
3:15 am
Najeh ,
Is that your way of saying “Ray STFU!”….?
Big Ray
May 13th, 2010
3:18 am
Najeh ,
By the way, I agree with much of your post, but if you’re arguing with people who ask for stats, you have to use stats. Otherwise, I’ll just co-sign what you said, particularly this part -
“Who knows, maybe Teague will end up being a bust. The point is that WE WILL HAVE NO IDEA UNTIL HE GETS A CHANCE TO PROVE HIMSELF.”
Which has been my point all along. I’m just trying to speak the language of those I argue with. Maybe I shouldn’t, but what the hell, I exercise my right to an opinion. And I’ve been done with yapping about the deficiencies of Mike Bibby. Got tired of doing that last year.
Big Ray
May 13th, 2010
3:19 am
“If there was a league-average starting point guard on the Hawks, playing Teague spot minutes and DNP-ing him more than half of the time would be perfectly justified. When your starting point guard is far below league average at all but one aspect of the game, there’s no excuse not to play Teague, no matter how raw he might be and no matter how bad he may suck. Give me the sucky rookie who might get better over the sucky veteran who is only going to get worse every day of the week.”
Preach it, preach it, preach it…
Simpdawg
May 13th, 2010
4:20 am
I would love to trade Mike Bibby and our 2010 1st round pick for Devin Harris, but this would only work if the Nets win the draft lottery.
drmaryb
May 13th, 2010
6:03 am
Preach it ….. Preach it?
Ok, but do we win 53 games? The best we could have done with the way it played out, or, do we still end up @ 3 seed?
Just wondering? I personally, want whoever gives us the best chance to win every game possible, regardless of who plays. IMO, that is a better way to assess our team needs – moving forward. We still don’t know what Teague can do yet. If, he can turn into a Rondo with a jump shot, then we should focus on the Center, then a veteran PG to bring him along (that still may be BIBBY as his back-up) and let J-Quick spelll JJ at the two. Or, can Crawford play the 3- Spot (defensively & size-wise)?
Is so, then Marvin comes off the bench at three & we build our bench from there, leaving The Boss at the 5.
We def need a bigger center who can defend & rebound primarily, to move Al to his natural 4.
Geez, I don’t envy Sund at all.
Rick Sund
May 13th, 2010
6:09 am
What is with all the HATE on this team?
We IMPROVED our regular season record EVERY year for the last 5 or so years. Isn’t this ENOUGH for you people?
We were swept by an Orlando team HIGHER RANKED than us. We WERE NOT expected to win this series. So why are people upset?
Let me remind you all that a team’s success is based SOLELY on regular season wins. We beat every team in the NBA besides Oklahoma City this year at least once in the regular season.
*MORE IMPORTANTLY:* We SWEPT the Boston Celtics in the season series! This is the same team that is likely going to defeat the Cavs in the 2nd round. This means we are better than Cleveland. Let’s not forget that Boston has potentially 4 Hall of Famers on its roster and won the Title 2 years ago.
Seriously, you are all way above your heads.
Bibby is still an athletic point guard, with tremendous defensive capabilities as you saw against Orlando.
Joe is an ALL-STAR and showed up when we needed him this year.
Also to be commended are Marvin, who went to UNC (and won a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP there).
We will either retain Woodson as a head coach, as he already has a ring so that gives him instant credibility. Another option is promoting Larry Drew to head coach — this guy’s SON played on a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP team!
Compliments are also due for Tyrone Hill. Besides being a Hall Of Fame Forward during his time as a player, he has worked tirelessly with Al Horford to make him an ALL STAR.
As our brilliant owner Michael Gearon Jr. claimed, J.Smoove is the closest thing to LBJ in this league. Smoove is an EXCELLENT free throw shooter with TREMENDOUS passing abilities and a SUPERB jumpshot.
It is my philosophy that if something is working, keep adding onto it.
Therefore, we WILL NOT pursue any trades this summer and plan to retain ever player currently on the roster.
We believe Marvin is capable of scoring 25 ppg in this league and that Mo Evans is a Bruce Bowen-type player.
ZaZa is GREAT at drawing contact AND converting the layups.
Jeff Teague was DEVELOPED TREMENDOUSLY by our head coach this year– he is very confident he can average a double double next year.
Cheers,
Rick
Jay
May 13th, 2010
6:11 am
If JJ walks, then can we sign Childress, go over the cap, and then sign another max FA? Can’t we sign Childress and go over the cap so we can have flexibility to get others?
drmaryb
May 13th, 2010
6:24 am
The Hawks are who we thought they were!
A pretty scrappy team with GLARING holes @ PG & Center & SF. After we all come back to reality? This team took us as far as the talent it had. I have no desire to become – “The Orator of the Obvious”. We all know better than Sund what this team lacks as it relates to the product they rolled out there.
We have some very very nice pieces to improve upon. And, no coach was going to win a title with our team – not even Red Aurbach could have done that? Having said that, our Coach could done a better job as well, the Hawks stopped playing when to a man? They didn’t BELIEVE in their hearts that they could win!
Who do you blame for – “Lack of Heart” on defense?
Hell, if I can’t score? Neither can the Magic or what-ever team is on the other sideline.
Steve Nash has Heart! That little guy is a force to be reckoned with. He is David & the Lakers are Golliath, it will be a battle of wills!
We have a player like that! Josh Smith plays with his heart, he just has to play smarter.
Al Horford has Heart. Maybe Teague does too – we see flashes of it.
How, do you measure a man’s Heart to Play?
O'Brien
May 13th, 2010
7:07 am
Ray,
I could be wrong, but I am guessing that northcyde will come back and talk about how when Teague gets in the game for his 5-10 minutes here and there, he does not make enough of an impact to justify more consistent PT, or more than the 10 minutes he was getting.
What he won’t talk about, is that when Bibby is in the game, his impact is mostly negative. And a lot of our fourth quarter metldowns happened with no PG in the game (because Bibby went bad quick), so we were dependent on 2 SGs to initiate our offense.
On Monday, Woody becomes a free agent. I remember during the year, some bloggers said even if the Hawks want him back, he should explore other options because Sund did not offer him an extension during the offseason.
I think he will have no choice but to explore other options. Although the players seemed to quit on him, he also got outcoached in the playoffs. It will be interesting to see which teams interview Woody.
I’m thinking Philly and the Clippers will give him a call.
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Big Ray
May 13th, 2010
8:00 am
O’brien ,
I think Northcyde (if that was really him) never made it home from Wal-Mart. He’s still in line, even as his wife sends him a text on the i phone, telling him something else she wants him to pick up. We’ve all been there….
No seriously, you probably have it pegged. I do remember him saying almost those exact words: have an impact when in the game.
You know, there’s a guy who came into the league several years ago. He still plays, and his team contends each year. But when he first came into the league, they thought he might be a SG in a PG’s body, or just a combo guard. Problem was, his assist to turnover ratio wasn’t great, and he couldn’t shoot 40% from the field to save his life. In fact, his assist/turnover ratio stayed below 2-to-1, and his FG% stayed below 40% for his first three years in the league.
Isn’t that the same thing people bang on Teague for? Does that sound like an impact player? Guess what the difference was? This guy averaged 11.2 points per game. Do you know why? Because he averaged 28.4 mpg, roughly, for those first 3 years. The lowest he ever averaged per game in a season was 23.5 mpg.
Now if you think Teague did poorly in 10 mpg, what would you think of a guy who did just as poorly (only he scored more points because he played more) despite getting nearly three times as much playing time? Hell, this guy even got shipped from one team to another in his first year, then to another a year after that. Then to another . It wasn’t until year 4 that he finally shot a tad above 40% from the field, and his assist to turnover ration improved to about 2.4-to-1.
So who was this loser?
Chauncey Billups. You know the rest. Championship ring. All-star. One of the best pgs in the game for several years.
Don’t judge the book to closely in the first year when you haven’t gotten past page 1. Don’t underestimate what playing time will do or show. Don’t dismiss the influence of good coaching and the right situation.
We still don’t know for sure what Teague is about.
And it’s a little hard to “make an impact” on the game when your job is to get across half court, pass the ball to whoever is playing SG in the game, and get the hell out of the way. And don’t tell me Woody told that kid to go in there and run things. We didn’t see much out of Bibby, who was getting nearly three times as much playing time as Teague was (9.1 ppg, 3.9 apg, 41.6% shooting from the field). If he wasn’t doing much, then what the “F” were we expecting out of “ROOK”, who was playing just over a third of the time Bibby was, and would have gotten mean-mugged if he took Joe, Josh, or Jamal’s shots?
darrell starks
May 13th, 2010
8:03 am
Me i used 2 defend josh thru out his career but now josh is proving me wrong, the more i watch josh play the angry i get because of his childish act on the court.
1.Crying 2 refs all the time.
2.Being lazy on some plays walking around like he lost.
3.Taking jumpshots noing his game is inside and if master his inside game no one can stop him.
4.Not listen 2 coach.
5.When will josh wake up or will he continue 2 be same player and never improve.
6.The hawks this summer will have 2 make a big decision on josh, and if they decide 2 trade him i want scream bloody murder like i did in the past because we as fans want nba title not second riddles and if trading him 2 make us a contender i will co. sign it all day.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
MC
May 13th, 2010
8:15 am
if joe leaves we should consider ray allen i kknow he is not nearly as good or young but i feel we would still be a playoff team with him
Big Ray
May 13th, 2010
8:20 am
darrell starks ,
Can’t argue with this mantra: “If trading Josh Smith makes the team better, than do it.”
Big Ray
May 13th, 2010
8:21 am
Get Ray Allen? We have to learn how to set screens first. It’s one reason Joe dribbled so much. No screens.
Daniel
May 13th, 2010
8:51 am
Ray and darrell-
I agree wholeheartedly with “If trading Josh Smith makes the team better, than do it.” In fact, I say that one of the MUST moves this off-season is to at least shop Josh. He needs his caged rattled after his embarrassing display during the playoffs (and, I like the guy too darrell).
Clearly, the coaching situation has to be the first order of business so that person can be involved in the personell moves to come. I say let JJ shop himself for awhile, he is not going to get a “knock ‘em out of the park” kind of offer, but he may be able to facillitate a sign and trade or a return to the Hawks under a new direction.
I know Bosh is a very interesting option, but I kinda like moving Josh and say Bibby to San Antonio for Tony Parker (he is under contract for one year). Thoughts?
Daniel
May 13th, 2010
8:55 am
drMaryb.- Josh has heart as demonstrated by his off the court endeavors (I mean the good stuff) like taking care of that family from Marietta who lost their son. That can not be argued with.
But, he DOES NOT have heart on the court. He is too unreliable, too inconsistent with his effort, he is too self involved. The youth and immaturity excuse is long gone.
C'mon Hawks
May 13th, 2010
9:01 am
What about this:
PG: T.J. Ford/Will Bynum/ D. Collison
SG: Crawford/Mo Evans/Bynum
SF: Josh Smith/M. Williams/Mo Evans
PF:Al Horford/Josh Smith/ZaZa
C: Brendan Haywood/ZaZa/Horford/Brad MIller
plus woever we pick up in the draft
Najeh Davenpoop
May 13th, 2010
9:22 am
“if trading him 2 make us a contender i will co. sign it all day.”
So will I, but the best player I have seen proposed that the Hawks would receive for him is Bosh, who has never been a contender in his life.
Assuming Joe is getting the max from someone, the only two players on the Hawks who would be producing up to their contracts if he leaves are Josh and Al. I really don’t think you are going to get full value for him in a trade, especially if you have to pay a non-franchise player like Bosh the max in order to do so.
Dap01
May 13th, 2010
9:36 am
Why is our team the only team that does not have a clue how to set or run screens? Our screens are always the sloppiest in the league.
C. Moore
May 13th, 2010
9:54 am
I am reminded about a coaching change about 20 years ago. Doug Collins was coaching MJ before “The Zen Master” Chicago was a decent team at that time but lacked the coaching to take them over the hump. Looking at the Atlanta Hawks…Coach Woodson has done a fantastic job with what was given to him. He was brought the team from 13 wins to 53 wins. However, the last two years in the playoffs justify why Mike Woodson should move on. Last season a Miami Heat team took us 7 games,then swept by the Cavs, this year the Bucks take us 7,and then swept by the Magic. Grant it in 2008-09 season the Hawks dealt with injuries, but apart of coaching is to have players waiting in the wings. I look at the Jazz who had Mehmet Okur and AK-47 out but they still put up a valient effort against the Hawks. Mike Woodson lacks aggression which is what this team needs. There is no way ZaZa should be riding the bench as much as he does, Jeff Teague should have played more(especially against that Brandon Jennings guy), and there are 3 big men that could have been used a little more during the Magic series(Joe Smith, Randolph Morris, and Jason Collins). Coach Woodson has done a great job in Atlanta and will be a coach again someday but the Hawks need a stronger voice and a coach who will change their mindset.
C. Moore
May 13th, 2010
9:54 am
I meant against the Lakers not the Hawks I look at the Jazz who had Mehmet Okur and AK-47 out but they still put up a valient effort against the Hawks
bdawg0709
May 13th, 2010
10:04 am
KISS MY ISO, JOE !!!!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
May 13th, 2010
10:07 am
Daniel i like that trade 2 with josh and bibby for parker, but i like devin because of the situation with the nets drafting john wall with the first pick, and more than likely devin harris will be on the trading block after JULY 1.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
Section 303
May 13th, 2010
10:11 am
One thing I will hate most about this offseason is all the waiting. Sund works at a turtle’s pace (not saying that is a bad thing), but I want this all decided quick.
I do not even want to know how many on here would react if Woodson were brought back. I don’t think I want him back, either. But, I would not hate it, like many on here would.
Rick Sund may bring Coach Woodson back just to see the meltdown on here.
C. Moore
May 13th, 2010
10:12 am
I dont know if you guys know this or not….but the Nets are not a lock for the Number 1 pick…thats why its called a draft keyword right here…LOTTERY!!!!! Right now Devin Harris is wishful thinking. Insert good idea here….LETS WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE LOTTERY FOR TRADE PROPOSALS AND VARIOUS OTHER IDEAS…
O'Brien
May 13th, 2010
10:12 am
Ray,
Exactly. How many rookies have impacts on a game when their minutes are inconsistent, their coach is quick to pull them with each rookie mistake, and they play in an offense which dictates giving the ball to the SG and get out of the way (heck, even Bibby does it).
I’m not saying Teague deserves to start, and I am not saying he will lead us to the promised land. All I am saying, is the sooner we give him minutes, the sooner we will find out if he is a keeper or not. If he plays well, good for us. If he doesn’t, then bench him or trade him.
I think JJ will get the max offer from multiple teams (not including the Hawks). The problem is, I dont think teams like the Bulls and Knicks will be interested in a S&T when they can sign him outright.
JJ might be interested in a S&T because that gives him more money, but if he is willing to take a paycut to play on a better team, that gives him a better chance of winning a title, which is what he says he wants to do, and he wants to play on a team that has pieces around him.
A sign and trade would weaken the Bulls and the Knicks, so is JJ willing to sacrifice potential teamates just for the extra year and the extra $20 mil? All that would do is put more pressure on him.
I think our best bet is to either resign him, or find a S&T with a team that is over the cap.
bigdave
May 13th, 2010
10:13 am
when reading Sund’s comments i wouldnt be surprised if they re-uped Woodson.. SMH
C. Moore
May 13th, 2010
10:15 am
Must I remind you guys as well when the Hawks won 13 games and the Hawks picked…..2ND!!!!! The freaking Bucks won the first pick!!!
C. Moore
May 13th, 2010
10:18 am
bigdave- Sund has to be politically correct. He cant come out and say we are going to fire him and interview coaches now
darrell starks
May 13th, 2010
10:21 am
Daniel as i posted on the last blog on how make this team a contender.
1.Trade MARVIN and TEAGUE for DEVIN HARRIS
2.Trade JOSH, ZAZA, MOE, for BOSH
3.Resign JOE for about 13mill a year
4.With DEVIN, JOE, HORFORD, BOSH, you can build something special
5.DEVIN is 27, JOE is 28, HORFORD is 23, BOSH is 26.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
Ramon
May 13th, 2010
10:22 am
Some of you are idiots (IMHO). You’re saying Josh doesn’t have heart because he argues with calls? Josh argues with calls for his teammates just as much as he argue for the calls where he is in play, and he doesn’t have heart? Just because Josh doesn’t turn his head and run down the court every single play he doesn’t have heart? Aside from Bibby, Josh is the only Hawks player who actually tries to speak to the ref about bad calls. Dwight Howard, Kobe Bryant, Stoudamire, Carmelo Anthony, and Kaman (among others) have more technical fouls than Josh. Josh is the SOLE player on the Hawks who will hustle down court to attempt to stop a break away fast break for the other team, and he doesn’t have heart? The biggest cheerleader on the team for other teammates clearly is Josh. When he’s on the bench, he celebrates for routine plays made by his teammates. Josh didn’t get back on one play because he was arguing with the referees, Kobe and Lebron have done that on many occasions! How many games in his time being here has he been the only one in the starting lineup who even appeared to be hustling? In Game 1 against Orlando it was his ‘heart’ and hustling that kept the Hawks close in the first quarter until he picked up his 2nd foul because the back court couldn’t keep their man in front of them. He doesn’t do like JJ, Marvin, and Al by running down the court and rarely saying anything to the referees. Is that not a clue that he WANTS to win? Does he whine too much? Yes just as a lot of players do, and some players don’t whine enough (JJ). But many times the Hawks are on the wrong end of the referees whistle when they shouldn’t be. Horford and Josh ARE the leaders of this team! And everyone knew they’re the leader of this team except JJ. Have you guys not noticed how many times when going to a time out, JJ walks off the court telling Smoove what is wrong with the other team or what went wrong in the backcourt. For the next 6 years, Horford and Smoove can continue to get better and give the Hawks great years in the meantime. So why let foolish emotions of fans (who are fair weathered fans to begin with) take the organization away from a great path that they’re heading down. Smoove, Horford, and JJ just won 53 games in their third year together. Why not think that it will get better with a few pieces, a new point guard, and a new coach? We’re closer to 60 games and ECF with these 3, a new PG, and new coach than we are with coming back next season without two of the three easily. And the things that Josh do bring at his position are the things that you can’t just go out and trade for. Hubie Brown has said many time that he LOVES Josh’s game and his ability. The game where Josh didn’t run down court just happen to be the game that the female was doing the color commentary and she decided to continue talking about that same play over and over and over. But from the tip off it was clear she was rooting for Orlando and had a biased view of the game.