Atlanta Hawks: Season’s Over
– The Magic swept the Hawks. The total losing margin of 101 points is the largest in NBA history for a four-game sweep. The Hawks were booed in their own arena.
– They hope all of that doesn’t define their season.
– “We are disappointed at the series,” Smoove said, “but we can’t let a bad series overturn all the good we did the whole entire season. Coming into the postseason we thought we could do something special but we couldn’t get it done.”
– “I told [teammates] to keep their heads up regardless what they say about us,” J.J. said. “We had a hell of a year. It wasn’t a good series, but the whole season was good.”
– “I’m proud of our basketball team and what we’ve accomplished this season,” Woody said. “We did a lot of good things this season. I’m happy in the direction the team is going. Sure we have to get better. But it’s a big jump from the first round to the second, third and Finals. We’re still learning.”
– Clearly there wouldn’t be so many sour feelings about the Hawks if they had competed in this series. There is no way taking two franchise-worst beatings in a four-game series is going to leave them on good terms with their fans. At this point, the Bobcats can claim to be closer to the Magic’s level than the Hawks.
– Of course it also didn’t help that the Hawks gave lackluster effort in two games. Josh’s antics (he was looking at the Kiss Cam during one timeout) and J.J.’s comments about fans just added to the ill feelings.
– Still, 53 wins isn’t easy and not something the Atlanta Hawks have done very often. When I see some of my blog people talking about how they should have won 60 (shoot, I’ve even seen 65) I start to wonder. The Hawks are a talented team but, as I’ve said, it’s more physical talent than basketball talent, if you know what I mean. Of course you do, because you’ve watched this team play longer than me.
– No matter what you think of him as a coach, it’s indisputable that Woody is speaking the truth when he says: ““Whatever happens, whether I am here or somewhere else, this team is in a better place than before I got here. That means a lot to me and my staff.”
– Also true is if Woody doesn’t come back because of high expectations, they are expectations he helped create . “I would like to think that,” he said. “Sometimes I don’t think we get the credit because the media is so brutal on coaches. It’s awful. But I’m not going to let that send me in a tizzy or send me the other way because I can hold my head high for what I’ve done in six years.”
– He says he still wants the job: “I would love to stay. I started this six years ago and I would like to finish it.”
– Joe was non-committal about his future, saying he hasn’t thought about the factors that will go into his decision or which teams he might consider. But he said he hasn’t ruled out a return to the Hawks. “I will take some time off, clear my head and spend some time with my family. I am sure I will sit down with my agent in the next couple weeks and see what’s out there.”
– Fans booed J.J. during the game and when he left the floor for the final time. “It don’t bother me,” Joe said. “I’ve got thick skin.”
– Why does he think he had such a bad series? “[It's] a number of things I’d rather not talk about,” J.J. said. “Like I said, no excuses.”
– Asked if he was injured, Joe said: “No.”
– Don’t forget that the Hawks played what has looked like the best team in the league for two months. The Magic are deep, talented and committed. “One thing I’m real confident in with our team is our mental preparation,” Stan Van Gundy said. “I know our energy and intensity will be there. When we get beat, it’s not been because we’ve not been ready to play. As a coach, that’s about the best thing you can say.”
– “Just watch and see their level of intensity they play with,” Al said. “That defines their team. They’re a championship-caliber team. Just take that in and play like that for next season. It takes a whole lot of effort. It’s almost to the point where you have to make yourself feel uncomfortable out there. We didn’t have that this year. With some of our guys when fatigue set in, everybody kind of shied away from it.”
– That’s the kind of thing Woody means when he says the Hawks are still learning how to win. Woody never could get the Hawks to that level this season. It’s too simple to say that’s due to his failures as a coach. The Hawks need better depth–more “bonafide pieces” as Woody says. They need more leadership in the locker room and maybe a different mix of personalities. Otherwise, if Woody doesn’t return the next coach could run into some of the same problems.
– Also remember that it’s tough for any NBA coach to succeed when players know his job security is shaky. That’s just the truth in this league. It’s easier for a player to tune out a coach if he knows he can just wait him out and eventually he could be gone.
– Despite their flaws, the Hawks won 53 games and made it to the second round. “We was playing confident all season long, and we thought we could give them a good fight,” Josh said. “But they are playing great basketball. We never did bring our ‘A’ game.”
– “It’s disappointing, but I feel like I left it all out there and gave all I had,” Al said. “I wish it could have turned out better.”
– I’m out, Hawks fans.
MC
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GeeMack
May 11th, 2010
5:16 pm
Ramon
You are correct the only coach they’ve played for is Woody, but that should be an excuse to sit back, and say nothing when you are not effective, because someone else is hogging the ball.
Ramon
May 11th, 2010
5:18 pm
Najeh, you know many people don’t realize Horford is a better option at Center than anyone who’s available, that includes Bosh and Stoudamire. And both of those play about as much defense as Moe (Larry, Curly, & Moe). I keep saying I think Haywood would be a great addition. But I don’t think he should start over Horford at the 5. People don’t remember that the Hawks won more games than they lost with Horford at the center position. The Hawks was more efficient on offense than most teams,with Horford in the middle. The Hawks lead the league in points in the paint with their undersized front court (and that’s even with Crawford, Joe, and Bibby taking countless jumpers). You have to remember we don’t play Orlando and Cleveland every night.
Grandad
May 11th, 2010
5:22 pm
Najeh:
Co-sign @ 5:11 PM
Ramon
May 11th, 2010
5:24 pm
Geemack, what can you really say? Josh and Al said something all season about the back court hogging the ball for the SECOND year in a row (remember Josh/Al getting into it with Flip? Sekou reported that). Its a delicate situation, if Josh, Al, and Marvin say more about it then it will come across as they’re breaking up the chemistry. The Hawks wore more effective on nights where those three each scored over 15 ppg. Joe had a few stretches during the season where he wasn’t scoring, but it was those three who played together and got the job done.
Ramon
May 11th, 2010
5:26 pm
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bigdave
May 11th, 2010
5:27 pm
from Jeff’s 6 point plan:
niremetal
May 11th, 2010
1:14 pm
And hey Jeff: There’s more to basketball than reading the box scores and looking at the players’ heights on their ESPN stat pages.
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Jeff Schultz
May 11th, 2010
1:17 pm
Niremetal — I understand I’ll never be as smart as you, so I greatly appreciate you imparting your wisdom. Thank God for you and ESPN stat pages or I’d really know nothing.
nire> poor Jeff
Einstein
May 11th, 2010
5:39 pm
In todays professional climate, there is no incentive…financial or discipline. So, you either need a coach who is a great motivator or players that take pride in winning. Our Atlanta Hawks have neither the coach nor most of these types of players. And, with the complicated NBA salary cap, it’s almost impossible to rebuild. Atlanta fans, prepare for another mediocre, but above average season next year.
northcyde
May 11th, 2010
5:51 pm
Section 303, let’s keep it real man.
I was at Game 3. At the beginning of the game, everyone was hyped because we wanted to will the Hawks to victory. But some in that crowd turned on JJ ALMOST IMMEADIATELY. They started to boo him after his 3rd missed shot . . . in the 1st quarter.
The negativity toward JJ happened FAR BEFORE they were even officially out of the game. JJ has gone 0 – 3 FG to start a game before, and never got that kind of reaction. EVER. But the fans on that day were all over JJ and the Hawks almost from the jump.
When JJ realy started pressing hard, driving to the hole as hard as I’ve ever seen him do, he still missed the shot and the boos got louder.
So lets keep it ream 303.
When your OWN CROWD is booing you almost from the beginning of the game, even when the game wasn’t out of reach yet, how would YOU react?
It’s OBVIOUS that JJ said something out of pure frustration . just like all of you fans who booed that team that day, were booing out of frustration. You weren’t booing because you didn’t like the Hawks. You were booing because they were playing poorly.
So when JJ turns around, and says that he doesn’t care if the fans show up or not, who do you think that comment was directed to? All the fans? Including the ones who didn’t boo? No. He was taking about the booing fans.
Now if you were booing him in Game 3, then yeah . . he was talking about you.
Once again, JJ said something idiotic that he shouldn’t have said. But if people are going to hold a permanent grudge toward JJ for these comments, it only says that they didn’t particulary like JJ in the first place.
Westurd
May 11th, 2010
5:55 pm
I liked JJ, but as of now I don’t see him as the same guy he was before he opened his trap!
O'Brien
May 11th, 2010
5:58 pm
Ramon,
I agree with Haywood as a welcome addition. And I also would not start him over Horford. When Haywood comes off the bench, Horford can get a rest, or we can play him at the PF sometimes.
As for Marvin, we disagree. You say Marvin has not been in an offense where people run plays for him, and I agree. However, thats what makes Chills a better fit (in my opinion), because he does not need you to run plays for him like Marvin does.
When Chills was here, how many key rebounds did he get for us when he was roaming the baseline? And when we have our offensive droughts, a guy like Chills is key because he is always moving without the ball, and cutting to the basket.
Plus, if you remember, when Chills was here, who did Woody have playing at the end of the game? Marvin would be on the bench, and CHills would be in the game.
I agree that Marvin is overpaid. I agree that Chills does not deserve $7 mil. I agree that Marvin is a better defender, and has better form on his shot. But I would give Chills $5 mil to come back.
Plus I think Marvin and Chills on the same team gives the HC options. If he wants a shooter, keep Marvin in. if the offense is bogging down and you want someone to score without having plays called for him, put in CHills.
Rod from College Park
May 11th, 2010
6:06 pm
Ramon,
No arguments about the other positions being more important, but you are way off on Marvin. Marvin would not start for Detroit(Prince), New York(Chandler), or Golden State (Maggette). You and Ken Strickland keep talking about plays being run for Marvin. Woodson would really be a dummy if he actually hitched his wagon to depending on Marvin to make a play. What you guys fail to realize is that Marvin will never be in a better situation to be an offensvie player, because here, he is either unguarded, or guarded by the other teams smaller weaker defender. How many wide open jumpers did he miss this year? If he was playing agianst the Hawks, we would guard him with Bibby. Even in that scenerio he still could not score.
Hate to inform you Ramon, but Chills was better than Marvin in almost every aspect of the game. Marvin was a better free throw shooter, that was about it. Chills was a better offensive player even with his ugly jumpshot, better defensively, better rebounder, more agressive, more versatile, and much higher baskeball IQ. Chills for his career averaged 52%FG to Marvin 45%, 36% 3point to Marvin 30%, and more rebounds 5.6 to 5.4 in less minutes. I can tell you this, Jennings, and Nelson would have had a much harder time getting to the rim with Chills defending them. I am pretty sure Woodson would have used him defensively, before he used Marvin.
Rufus1
May 11th, 2010
6:07 pm
Trade Josh and Chillz
Trade Josh for Monta Ellis or Bierdrins….The trade Chills rights for Brandon Bass.
Bass Makes 4mill a year and would give us everything Josh does…Without the HEADACHE. If the Magic win the Title, they may want to reduce payroll and Chillz contract is for 1 year.
“ADVERSITY REVELS CHARACTER”…Josh has shown his character over the last 6 years..Mental toughness is developed as a child, not a 24…STOP HOLDING YOUR BREATH, YOUR FACE IS TURNING BLUE.
Co-sign on everything section 303 has stated.
CoastDog
May 11th, 2010
6:12 pm
What happened to the Hocks and the Thrashees?
Simpdawg
May 11th, 2010
6:13 pm
Al Horford needs to add on about ten pounds of muscle over the summer and work on his low post skills. I don’t understand why Al, Josh and ZaZa don’t just call up Hakeem Olajuwon or Kevin McHale to help them with their low post moves. Hell even Kobe Bryant worked out with Olajuwon last summer to improve his low post game. That’s what separates the great players from the average players.
Rod from College Park
May 11th, 2010
6:20 pm
O’Brien,
Hate to inform you, but Marvin is not a shooter. A shooter knocks down open jumpshots. He shot 30% from 3 point land this year, that’s not a shooter. Marvin is not better defensively either. Chills could guard from the 1 to the 3, Marvin can’t. Chills for his career averages in steals is higher and blocks is the same. Chills was a much more versatile defender, see the Jennings and Nelson refence in my earlier post.
northcyde
May 11th, 2010
6:25 pm
And let’s keep it real again Westurd about the fans in Atlanta.
( NOTE: if the following doesn’t describe you, or anyone else, then you shouldn’t get mad . . . . if it does make you mad, then oh well )
You have everybody having their feelings hurt over JJ’s comments. But this is the same fan base that . . .
- makes excuses about not getting to 7 PM games on time. Even 7:30 PM is too late
- don’t show up to games vs Indiana because they’re not a “marquee name” team.
- sees 35% – 40% of the crowd cheering for the other team’s more popular superstar player.
- had 30% of the fans literaly walk out of the arena because JJ didn’t win a game on a final shot vs Milwaukee back in March. They walked out, even though the game was going into OVERTIME. An overtime game in which the Hawks won, but only 7,000 people saw it . . because another 1,000 walked out of the arena, thinking the Hawks couldn’t come back after quickly falling down by 5 points in OT
The fans in Atlanta, especially the casual ones that only go to Hawks games when they think it’s an important game . . or if they get cheap tickets . . or because it’s the “in thing to do” . . are the ones who give ATL fans a bad name, due to their frontrunning nature ( as was said by Chris Webber )
This fan base, and definitely the city as a whole, isn’t passionate about the Hawks at all. So why act all offended now?
The die hard fans . . the fans that have been in that arena even during the 13 win days, can be offended. But the fan that only shows up to big games, is simply “faking outrage” in my opinion.
Ramon
May 11th, 2010
6:36 pm
Enter your comments here
Grandad
May 11th, 2010
6:41 pm
Hey everybody – I seldom agree fully with nc but to some extent he’s right. If Joe stays were gonna welcome him back. Part of our anger is anticipation of him ”flying the coop’’so to speak.
nc – lighten up a little and let everyone get it off their chest.
You need not defend Joe @ every turn.
Rod from College Park – Please find another dawg to kick.
How many time & how many ways can you say:
Marv is the cause of the “Bubonic Plague”?
Perhaps as many times as I can say Wdsn………..
Simpdawg
May 11th, 2010
6:48 pm
If Joe Johnson leaves the Hawks, he’ll probably end up in Chicago with Derrick Rose and company. The Bulls may also try to hire Glen “Doc” Rivers, and if that happens, Chicago would be the perfect fit for Joe Johnson.
Ramon
May 11th, 2010
7:03 pm
O’Brien, I didn’t say Marvin hasn’t had plays run for him. I said Marvin hasn’t been on a team that run plays period! The pick and roll play where Josh get’s an alley, that wasn’t ran until Mike Bibby got here, and it was a play he showed Woody. At the MOST Woody runs 3-4 plays a game. So I say he hasn’t been an offense that run plays.
I, too, remember all the baseline offensive rebounds Childress would get. However, I also remember many times Childress would get left behind on defense. I remember the many shots he missed because he couldn’t dunk and would try to lay up the shot. I also remember him changing shoes every season and saying he wouldn’t have any feet problems that season. I would take Childress for $5 mil a year, and I think he and Marvin would work good together. But my comments were to those who were saying let JJ go and JoshC can replace him! Its almost as if the longer JoshC stays away, the more people remember him being so good. Its not like he was 2 votes away from the all star game. And majority of the time Woody chose to go with Childress over Marvin because 1) Marvin was only in his 2nd year 2) JoshC is a better ball handler and wanted to pair him with Lue and AJ (remember Chil/Marvin played more games with AJ and Lue not with Bibby) and 3) Sheldon Williams, Zaza, and others couldn’t get a rebound to save their lives.
Rod, Childress is not a better player than Marvin in a STRUCTURED offense.
Rod from College Park
May 11th, 2010
7:08 pm
Grandad,
As many times as you and Ken Strickland talk about Woodson and his coaching, as many times as Northcyde praises Joe, as many times as Nire talks about the salary cap, as many times as Jeje talks about Marvin and Bibby, see where I’m going. One thing about blogs Grandad, is you always have the ability to SCROLL. To me, save Bibby’s great demise, Marvin was the main reason that this team looked bad this year in the regular season and playoffs. If we listened to you, Marvin would be our starting power forward(lol). As long as we continue to play 5 vs. 4 or 3 this year when Bibby and Marvin were on the floor, I will continue to call his sorry a*% out. I said it 2 years ago, I said it before we resigned him, and I am still saying it. In case you don’t realize it, people who are associated with the Hawks, in all areas, read the blogs, and now they are realizing that I, along with many others was exactly correct. I look at it this way, everyone on this team earned the money that they were paid. Even with Joe’s struggles, he earned every cent of the money the Hawks paid him. The only two guys this year who did not were Bibby, and the bum you keep defending Marvin. I personally can live with Bibby and his 3 mill per, I can’t with Marv at 8 mill per.
I don’t kick dogs since the Mike Vick incident because things like that could net a black man, and I am black, time behind bars. He’s not the Bubonic Plauge, but he is a bum on the basketball court, who will be stealing money for the length of his contract. I actually will give him, and his agent a lot of credit. They really did a number on the Hawks 2 times. That’s impressive.
Rod from College Park
May 11th, 2010
7:16 pm
Ramon,
“Rod, Childress is not a better player than Marvin in a STRUCTURED offense.”
Let’s stick to the known, not the unknown. If I remember corectly, Josh Childress did go to Stanford, where they ran a structured offense, and he was the best player on the team. I would not be one to question Josh Childress’s intelligence, since he did go to Stanford, so may I ask where you are getting your information from?
Grandad
May 11th, 2010
7:28 pm
“Perhaps as many times as I can say Wdsn………”
Rod from College Park – Relax – I was just nudging you a little.
Notice my quote upstais taken from my post.
I was letting you know / it was somewhat tongue in cheek.
Marv had an awful season.
Acknowledged!
As for defending him, really, more rationalizing for him and
ragging on Wdsn. Which I still think he plays out of position.
Surely you agree he does not have perimeter skills.
Also, as for starting, no I think Wdsn should have allowed
competition for both starting pos. & playing time.
Plus the triangle off. would better have suited
[Al, Josh, & Marv] if Wdsn was to insist on starting
3 power forwards, all @ the same time.
Once again, relax, didn’t mean to push your buttons
so hard. I reckon everyone is still pissed.
Me, I’m lookin’ forward to our new direction.
Grandad
May 11th, 2010
7:34 pm
Rod from College Park – I have not read all the posts
today but if you are an advocate for J.Childress to come
in and be our starting [3] next yr. then I’m on board with you.
I’m thinking Marv is a valuable trade chip with a marketable
salary as opposed to some. However if he stays he can be a valuabe
reserve next season with a coach who knows how to coach him up.
Rod from College Park
May 11th, 2010
7:34 pm
Grandad,
Nothing personal, remember I told you I was raised tro respect my elders.
Grandad
May 11th, 2010
7:38 pm
I knew that.
Rod from College Park
May 11th, 2010
7:44 pm
Grandad,
I was an advocate for Chills over Marvin when he was here, last year before we resigned Duck, and since both have been here. I never have been fond of this ignorance Woody pulls with having better players on the bench. Make it so bad, I was not a big fan of Chills, but compared to Marv he is a huge upgrade. The only thing Marv could have done to be a better player than Chills was to hit that corner 3, which he can not do. Chills was better at every other aspect of the game except free throw shooting. Chills on the floor in these playoffs would have made a big difference in both series. Orlando would have still swept us, but all the penetrating that Nelson and Jennings were doing could have been cut down drastically. It also would have saved Joe’s legs from having to follow those two around most of the game.
O'Brien
May 11th, 2010
8:15 pm
Grandad,
I dont think Marvin is a valuable trade Chip. Who wants him for 4 years, $30 mil? I’m sure they have seen how much he has disappeared during the year and in the playoffs (except for one game). I remember the last game against Cleveland when we played all our bench players, and Marvin stil could not stand out.
As we talk about the corner 3, McHale said the corner 3 is a very high % shot in basketball. Bruce Bowen made a living on those shots, and George Hill from the Spurs knocked down some of those to help beat the Mavs, a lot of guys made that shot. But how many open corner 3s have we seen Marvin miss? Too many.
I think we are stuck with him for at least 1 more season. Hopefully our new coach will find a way to get more out of him.
First things Hawks need to do, is to announce they are not going to resign Woodson. There are a lot of open jobs, so I would hate for them to not get the guy they want because they waited too long.
AG
May 11th, 2010
8:46 pm
Also, enough of the we need a center. Are you going to go on playstation and create one? Here are the centers post season stats (I quit because it was really bad)
T.Duncan/SA 19ppg 10 reb
D. Howard/Orl 15ppg 11reb
A. Hortford/Atl 15ppg 9 reb
Shaq 11 ppg 6 reb
A. Bynum/LA 10 ppg 9 reb
K. Perkins/Bos 6ppg 7 reb
K. Fesenko/Utah 3 ppg 4 reb
N. Krstic/OkC 7 ppg 5 reb
K. Thomas/Mil 5 ppg 8 reb
J. Collins/Pho 1 ppg 2 reb
Ben Hill, Been Real
May 11th, 2010
8:50 pm
whats the chances of the hawks sending J.J to the HORNETS for one of those guards? C.P.3 maybe? or Collison and a player to be named?
Eric C.
May 11th, 2010
9:05 pm
Michael, great blog this season…if the Hawks came to play with half the preparation that you put into your work, they’d be a lot better off.
In terms of heart, give me Blaylock, S. Smith, Ehlo, Webb, Nique, Mutombo
The Truth
May 11th, 2010
9:12 pm
Rod from College Park
“Chil was better at every other aspect of the game except free throw shooting”
Did some fact checking comparing Chil 4-years as a Hawk and Marvin first 4-years (to equally compare apples-to-apples), here is the stats numbers per game:
MP FG% FT% BLK PTS
J. Childress 31.3 .522 .799 .50 11.1
M Williams 31.9 .449 .797 .50 12.5
Yes it is true from the numbers, Chil seem to have been more efficient in FG% (as we know basically in the way in which he got his shots around the basket vs. Marvin jump shooting).but Marvin and Chill had virtually the same free-throw number so Marvin was not better than Chil at the line. However, in overall points per game, Marvin numbers looks slightly better playing virtually the same number of minutes. Just to be fair, if you throw in this current bad season Marvin just had, his career PPG went down to 11.9 or roughly 12 PPG. This is still slightly better then Chil 11.1 PPG Block shots number was identical.
Eric C.
May 11th, 2010
9:16 pm
AG, your stats don’t measure the defensive side of the equation – having a good defenseive center is liking having that big nose guard in football that eats up the inside rushing attach…their stats aren’t always pretty, but they clog up the middle.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 11th, 2010
9:32 pm
Look at Iso-Bron killing the Cavs, and the Inside the NBA taking them to task for their isolation, no-ball-movement offense. One-on-five doesn’t work even if you have possibly the greatest player ever.
BubbaMumf
May 11th, 2010
9:34 pm
All and all we had a good season. There’s no doubting that. I don’t have a problem with not making out of the second round but I do have a problem with not showing up at all, which is basically what they did. Woody was there from the beginging and you have to give him some credit. Not much but some. If we keep our current roster wtih a new coach I think it would have been a better series. JJ came when no one else would. I like JJ and I won’t be upset if we keep him but I won’t be upset if we let him go via sign and trade. I think we need a true center. With that we can move al to PF and smith to sf. I know what your thinking smith a sf? you don’t have to shoot the 3 to be a good pf. Our defense would improve which helps get us out on the break more. We have a nice young pg who just needs to pt to develope. Get a center and a new coach and we will be at 50+ wins next year
Section 303
May 11th, 2010
9:34 pm
northcyde, your take on the Joe Johnson fallout is way off….
I guess I qualify as one of the people who can be mad at what Joe said. I have been a season ticket holder for the past 7 years (have my name on the wall next to Taco Mac). On average, I have attended 30-33 regular season games each of those seasons. This year, counting the playoffs, I attended 40 games (just counted on my schedule). I’m not asking for a medal here, but don’t think for a minute that I have not gone out of my way several times over the past 7 years to get to games…many times for sh#t product.
Really, all Joe had to do was say he was sorry for what he said and I would drop it. But, he didn’t. I even heard Michael on 790 The Zone Sunday afternoon say he gave Joe a chance to apologize and Joe really didn’t do it. So, F Joe Johnson. I mean that from the very bottom of my soul…F*** that guy.
I don’t want him here. I don’t even care if that is not the best alternative for the Hawks. I want Joe to end up in Chicago or NYC. Those people would chew him up and spit him out. I wish Joe nothing but the worst. The guy is a f’ing arshole.
So, that may seem harsh or not keeping it real, but I don’t care, frankly. I’m offended by what he said and even more offended that he did not have the class to apologize.
BubbaMumf
May 11th, 2010
9:35 pm
i meant to be a good sf not pf
AG
May 11th, 2010
9:36 pm
One trade I would do Noah for Josh
O'Brien
May 11th, 2010
9:42 pm
Najeh,
I’m actually rooting for the Celtics to win this series, just to see what LeBron does. Does he shake hands, or not shake hands. Does he leave Cleveland? Where does he go? Does Mike Brown get fired?
For those interested in trading Josh, how do you feel about doing a sign and trade of Josh Smith and filler for Bosh?
Or what about Josh Smith for Zach Randolph? Randolph has been a head case, but this year, he kept his head in the game and averaged 21 and 12. Also, his $17 mil contract will expire next season, so the Hawks will have more options…
SotuhSideGunner
May 11th, 2010
9:50 pm
ISO looks like a bunch of guys around a burn barrel looking to get something to eat. I want intensity and that means getting Avery Johnson, Chris Bosh and Glen Davis and moving JJ, ZaZa and Josh on to the other playgrounds. Watching Rondo on Sunday play lights out, passing like old Bob Cousey, defensing like DJ, hustling to the floor like Hondo … he should be standard for all players in the league. The Hawks should be built around Al Horford. Jamal is a great 6 man but he dooged it in the second round: he either goes to the hoop or he sits.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 11th, 2010
9:52 pm
The Cavs are on their way to losing this series SOLELY because of running an isolation offense. There is really no other reason. They are deeper and more talented than the Celtics and have home court advantage.
If it ain’t working with the best player in the league, it ain’t gonna work with Joe Johnson.
This is why I’m not clamoring for Joe to leave or dissing his game, even if he made idiotic comments and disappeared in the playoffs. Joe is a second-tier star, but he would be much harder to guard (as would the rest of the team) if an intelligent coach was designing intelligent offensive schemes to take advantage of the Hawks’ talent.
Mike Woodson and Mike Brown should both be coaching lottery teams. Maybe together.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 11th, 2010
9:58 pm
Yeah, I’d be really interested to see what happens in Cleveland if they lose this series. I think Brown would have to go at that point. The thing is, LeBron is so crucial to that franchise’s entire existence that whether or not Brown stays would be entirely dependent on what he says.
We are sitting here debating whether Joe should stay or go. If LeBron leaves the Cavs, they might as well contract that franchise. That makes it a very different situation to what we have here.
drmaryb
May 11th, 2010
9:59 pm
Mr. Gearon,
With all due respect? What were your day to day contributions – to help your franchise do better this season?
Rumor has it, the Chicago Bulls rule from the ivory towers! Heck, Sir, they memo the coach re: How many minutes Noah should/may play after returning from a plantar fascitis injury. It was so intense? The GM & Coach came to an alleged physical jousting?
So, my question is: Did you personally memo Mr. Woodson and tell him exactly what you told us up there in your commen? If not, then I’m not interested in the “Orators of the Obvious!” Nor, “The Hind-Sight Perspectives.”
Thank You Sir,
Please FIX our Team?
Warmest Regards.
SotuhSideGunner
May 11th, 2010
10:00 pm
The Cavs can’t win without the King playing ISO. He can’t be stopped and nobody can set up to help him carry that load. The Cavs have several players with bad hands and not enough IQ. They could give the Celts a game just by following the King to the basket and playing with intensity
Section 303
May 11th, 2010
10:05 pm
drmaryb, I had the same questions after reading that article. How come he is coming out and saying these things now? Where were all these comments in March or April?
Really, do we need all the drama from Rick Sund? Woodson is gone. We all know this. Why take the time to act like he is even giving it a second thought?
drmaryb
May 11th, 2010
10:12 pm
Section 303
From a Grown Folks Conversation – perspective, I would like someone to look me in the eye and define :
Accountability – ?
O'Brien
May 11th, 2010
10:21 pm
Wow. Check out MC’s article with our co-owner. He thinks teague should have played more during the season. And he thinks Joe Smith and Collins should have played more during the Orlando series.
What did woody say? Woody said bibby has gotten older and might have taken us as far as he can. Woody also said teague might have to get first crack next season to see if he can help.
Way to go woody. Now that the owner has made it clear he thinks teague should have played more, now is when woody thinks bibby is done? Now is when he thinks teague should get a crack at the job next season?
Woody is too stubborn. I look forward to rick sund’s comments when he announces woody will not be retained.
Yup!
May 11th, 2010
10:31 pm
Exit: Woodson, Bibby, Mo Evans
Enter: Avery Johnson, Travis Outlaw, Brendan Heywood, and A.J Price (gotta snatch him from Indy, next Mo Williams for sure)
Draft: Gordon Heyward or Gani Lawal
Re-Sign: Joe Johsnon
GET ER’ DONE SUND!
Lineup/depth chart (15 players)
Jeff Teague>>>>A.J Price
Joe Johnson>>>Jamal Crawford
Gordon Heyward>>>Travis Outlaw, Marvin Williams, Mario West
Josh Smith>>>>>Zaza/Travis Outlaw/Randolph Morris
Al Horford>>>>>Brendan Heywood/Jason Collins
We can win a title with this (Coupled with the right coach). Some of you are making too many changes to a 53 win squad. Half of it is nonsense/impossible moves. Be realistic please. PG was a huge problem. With Price and Teague you get twp big PG’s Teague at 6′2 and Price at 6′3 and poth play solid D and can stay in front of their man. With a new coach we wont have to worry about that stupid switching anymore. Gordon Heyward gets the start because he’s a beast pure shooter and More athletic/coordinated than Marvin. He will space the floor for us. Teague needs to dominate he ball and keep ito ut of JJ’s hands. He just moves too slow (it’s so annoying, but this might be b/c of
Woodson) he just needs to catch and finish quickly. I see Teague turning into a combination of Tony Parker and Rajon Rondo (somwhere in between).
Price is an exellent shooter who can play off the ball with the second unit since Jamal is at his best with it in his hands. Price is a good Ball handler as well. All of the Wings will be neede in the future (i’m assuming LeBron will stay in the East). We also have size up front with Heywood and others.
The Truth
May 11th, 2010
10:36 pm
It sounds like Woody is trying to pull the old bait and switch routine. Bait you with the “I’ll change “comment and then switch back to his old stubborn ways once he gets his new deal.
The Truth
May 11th, 2010
10:57 pm
If you’ve been watching the Boston-Cavs game, you’ll notice Doc cleared his bench once the win was secured. If this had been the Hawks-Orlando series, Van Gundy would have had his starters playing to the near end regardless of the secured win; this just to run the score up. Yes the Hawks deserved the “Beat-Down” but some of the victory margin was out Van Gundy’s ego.