Expanding my print edition story . . .
Personnel
If the Hawks are interested in moving forward instead of standing pat, that means they are chasing the Magic. The disparity in talent (basketball, not physical), depth and single-minded execution in this series has been apparent. In addition to Dwight Howard, Jameer Nelson, Vince Carter and Rashard Lewis, the Magic can send out at least seven additional players who effectively fill major roles.
To get to that level, the Hawks need more and better perimeter players, starting with a point guard. That’s true whether they re-sign J.J. or not, which I’ll get into more under the “Philosophy” heading. The Hawks need to see what they have with Teague, and sending him to summer league is a good start, but they also need a veteran other than Bibby who can possibly start or play big minutes.
The Hawks need more depth. Look at the bottom of the roster right now: Joe Smith, Jason Collins, Randolph Morris and Mario West. The Hawks need better players to fill those roles (backup center, power forward, and defensive wing) and either Woody or the next coach has to make it a point to work them into the rotation.
Philosophy
When the Hawks, including co-owner Michael Gearon Jr., say they are a better team when the ball is moving, what they mean is they are better when J.J. isn’t dribbling out the ball on one side of the floor while his teammates stand around. So before the Hawks even begin to ponder how much they think J.J. is worth, they first must decide if he can play a different style. If the Hawks re-sign J.J. and add a point guard who can get to the rim and create open shots, can J.J. thrive as a spot-up shooter and cutter? Or does he need to play his deliberate, slashing style? If the Hawks keep Woody, would he be able to get J.J. to change for the sake of the team? Can any coach do it at this point?
At first I defended the merits of Iso-Joe, which included the Hawks’ excellent efficiency numbers during the regular season. Slowly I came to realize the psychological toll it has on this team, which has several guys who need to be involved to stay sharp. And now we see that in the playoffs good defensive teams, which most of them tend to be, can neutralize Iso-Joe or Iso-Anybody. Actually, we saw that before the playoffs, when the Hawks kept losing those road leads with low-scoring second halves.
The Hawks’ need for a point guard ties into the defensive philosophy, too. Since two of the Hawks’ four primary perimeter players are weak defenders, Woody has had to use switches on screens (Woody is a big fan of Bibby but I think he’d use him as a reserve if he had a clearly better option.) If Woody stays and the Hawks acquire a couple more strong perimeter defenders, would he then scrap the switches? (I think he would.)
The chemistry issues also tie into philosophy. Perhaps if the Hawks ran an offense with more player and ball movement they wouldn’t suffer so many of those demoralizing scoring droughts. Surely a defense that keeps Al and Josh near the basket would help with the negative rebounding margins, fatigue and frustrations that can occur when big men are forced to defend on the perimeter.
Payroll
It’s easy to say ASG simply needs to go for it and start spending serious money. The Magic has three guys (Dwight, Rashard and Vince) making more than J.J., and those three guys have taken it to the Hawks. Still, none of the rest of the Magic are particularly high-priced, but there are lots of them. The Magic picked the right guys behind the stars and a coach who’s gotten them to buy into a defense-first approach.
So it’s not only about payroll. But the Hawks didn’t use either of their salary-cap exceptions this season, and that’s a major way to acquire solid, veteran players who can fill a major role. It’s what teams with real championship aspirations do even if they don’t go out and sign max guys. The Hawks’ $66 million payroll is well below that of the serious contending teams. They’ve gotten next to nothing from the minimum-salaries guys at the end of the bench.
But the reality is, there are only a few superstars ASG could acquire who would provide a reasonable chance at a return on their investment in this market. The list starts with LeBron, Wade, and Kobe and doesn’t go on much longer, if it all. Without getting into the many reasons offered for why people haven’t turned out for Hawks games, the attendance and revenues haven’t kept pace with the victories. The Hawks had to sell deeply discounted tickets (or in some cases give them away) for playoffs games. This is not an environment that would inspire any owner to take on payroll unless they can get a guy on that short list of box-office draws.
I saw that effect in Miami. The Heat traded for Shaq and suddenly they were the hot thing in Miami. Three years of sellouts and dramatically increased revenues followed. Then things went south, teh crowds and revenues started drying up again and Shaq was on his way to Phoenix. That’s how it tends to go unless a franchise is located in a rabid basketball town with deep ties to the local team.
You can offer an argument that the city would rally behind (and spend money on) a low-key, superstarless team that plays fundamentally sound offense and rugged defense. But, really, is that realistic? The Hawks sent out an exciting, athletic team that won 37 games at Philips Arena while scoring a lot of points and still had trouble drawing. Would it really make a big difference if the newly-constructed team ran less isos and fought through screens?
As it stands now, the Hawks’ payroll is projected at roughly $45 million next season. The salary cap is expected to be at about $56 million. That means if the Hawks let J.J. walk without a sign-and-trade, they can could possibly sign a free agent whose salary starts at $10-$11 million $9-$10 million (edit: reader Robert Dinterman emailed to note that this would require the Hawks to renounce several cap holds–see here for details). If they end up at the cap limit, they then could add a player using the mid-level (salary starting at about $5.5 million), bi-annual ($2.1 million) exceptions and/or minimum-salary exceptions.
Perhaps that plan might work in the short term if the Hawks got the Personnel part right and found good value for a starting point guard, defensive wing, center and whatever else they decide they need. Maybe losing an All-NBA talent like J.J. is offset somewhat by the change in Philosophy that presumably would happen with him gone and a point guard added. It’s doubtful it would be a team that can break through to the East finals but maybe it’s a small step back before something bigger down the line.
MC
372 comments Add your comment
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
May 10th, 2010
10:22 pm
The end of Joe Johnson
Luke Cage
May 10th, 2010
10:22 pm
Dang they booin ole boy
Wabe
May 10th, 2010
10:22 pm
Damn, dueces JJ.
bigdave
May 10th, 2010
10:22 pm
Obrien,
i see where you’re going with that, he is a trade piece… i thought that since we acquired him… under a new regime do you think he’s 6th man of the year? well, if he’s not starting smh.
Big Ray
May 10th, 2010
10:22 pm
VenomSpitter ,
Woody may not have a job tomorrow. What does he care about Teague NOW? LOL, seriously…
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
May 10th, 2010
10:23 pm
I want somebody with a personality here. Joe has no personality whatsoever.
bigdave
May 10th, 2010
10:23 pm
Hawks will miss Joe.
SamOleMess
May 10th, 2010
10:23 pm
Joe is gonna give the YOURE NUmber One sign to the FAns…lol
Luke Cage
May 10th, 2010
10:23 pm
THE WOODROW ERA IS FINALLY OVA!!! YYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH BOI
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
May 10th, 2010
10:23 pm
LMAO @ Big Ray. Yea you’re right.
Luke Cage
May 10th, 2010
10:24 pm
I hope this pisses this team off and makes them stronger and better
Big Ray
May 10th, 2010
10:25 pm
I wouldn’t be so sure we’re saddled with Marvin. His contract is reasonable for any team that thinks they can get more out of him than we have.
And trust me, there are teams that will think that. They see the dsyfunction on this court with the whole team. Somebody will feel that he fits a niche somewhere.
Or….they won’t. You just never know. There are worse players in the league who have stuck around forever.
SamOleMess
May 10th, 2010
10:25 pm
<<<<<<<<<<< 16 threes
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
May 10th, 2010
10:25 pm
Thed OFFICIAL WOODY GET YOUR BALD HEADED SELF OUT Party starts at my place in about 2 mins.
Big Ray
May 10th, 2010
10:25 pm
Hawks will miss Joe’s talent and versatility.
Wabe
May 10th, 2010
10:26 pm
Big Ray,
IE…Eduardo Najara.
sleepy
May 10th, 2010
10:26 pm
talent and versatility only get you so far at some point you gotta have heart
Wabe
May 10th, 2010
10:26 pm
I know I mis-spelled the guys name…
But, you should know who I’m talkin bout.
Jody
May 10th, 2010
10:26 pm
Big Ray,
Very true. Tonight, more than ever this year, it seems to me that Joe is ready to leave. Just look at his demeanor as he left the game. As far as folks telling you to forget about the past, I really think they make those remarks out of homerism. Instead of being objective, they refuse to admit when they’re or the organization is wrong. Unfortunately, I think that stubborn attitude has crept into the Hawks organization somewhat.
bigdave
May 10th, 2010
10:27 pm
i want somebody who can ball here.. i mean, shoot, defend, reb, facilitate and stay healthy.. maybe to the tune of 21 … 4… and 5
give a damn about a personality..
Big Ray
May 10th, 2010
10:27 pm
VenomSpitter ,
What kinda drinks you want me to bring? And I’ll get all the drunk-azzes home safe. Let the cop drive. Trust me…
O'Brien
May 10th, 2010
10:27 pm
Blast,
I love what Crawford gave us this year. But I we resign jj, we can use Crawford to upgrade our team. Maybe we can trade him for a starting PG and another piece.
Plus Crawford will be an expiring contract, and there is no guarantee he will resign with the hawks as a 6th man, if he could start somewhere else.
Again, this is only if we resign jj. Plus next year, except for the closing minutes of the game, I don’t want to see Jamal and Jj on the court at the same time , without a PG
bigdave
May 10th, 2010
10:28 pm
“lets get back to… what they call the highlight factory”
well damn Ernie..
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
May 10th, 2010
10:28 pm
Big Ray bring every kind of drink. And I have a pinata with Woodys face on it hung up. Bring the bats lol.
Big Ray
May 10th, 2010
10:29 pm
Wabe,
Exactly, lol!
BigDave,
Don’t let it sting too much, man. Know at least that Joe didn’t do all of this to himself. Blame his coach.
Jody,
So true. I think we may see some changes with Sund, however. He let this be a 2 year experiment, but always trust a GM to want to remake things in his own image, at least to some extent. Trust me on this….Sund didn’t make waves for 2 years…Now he has nothing but air and opportunity between him and some changes…
sleepy
May 10th, 2010
10:30 pm
You dont resign players like him to the type of money he wants PERIOD . If you do you are saying this is acceptable and its not .
Big Ray
May 10th, 2010
10:30 pm
Venom Spitter,
How about riot batons and asp batons?
Jody
May 10th, 2010
10:30 pm
Big Ray,
Right on man. Let’s just hope they’re good changes.
SWAT Native
May 10th, 2010
10:31 pm
I hate to see them lose like this, but it was still a great year and I enjoyed the ride.
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
May 10th, 2010
10:31 pm
Woody’s Reign of Terror is over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Big Ray u might wanna bring a bazooka too
SamOleMess
May 10th, 2010
10:31 pm
<<<<< THE MOST LOPSIDED SERIES IN NBA HISTO REYYYYYYY…. DAMN
Sautee
May 10th, 2010
10:32 pm
Hey, We set an NBA record!
Oh, it was for highest losing margin in a playoff series?
Never Mind.
Jody
May 10th, 2010
10:32 pm
Hawks outscored by 101 points in four games. Just wow.
Big Ray
May 10th, 2010
10:33 pm
Well guys, it’s over.
We duplicated last year’s postseason.
Don’t know when all the changes will get started, but something’s coming.
Fun chopping it up with y’all.
Let’s start the summer canniblogging and madness tomorrow…. ; /
robdawg08
May 10th, 2010
10:33 pm
Why would Hawks congratulate Magic for smoking their ass 4 straight ? I understand sportsmanship but come on…
Cheryl Miller sounds just like Reggie Miller. Were they twins ?
Go Lakers.
northcyde
May 10th, 2010
10:33 pm
This team needs some of everything if we lose JJ. Remember, that’s our leading scorer, assist leader, and best perimeter defender we’re talking about here.
- the PG must be a floor leader and be able to play defense
- a defensive center . . A MUST ( and not a scrub )
- at least one or two sharpshooters
- could use a defensive specialist
- a player who can get his own shot ( seeing that Crawford is the only guy on the team like that, if JJ leaves )
Now if we can find a combination of these elements in a player, that’s great. Otherwise, these are the types of players we need on this team to get to the next level
Rod from College Park
May 10th, 2010
10:33 pm
Big Ray,
“Or….they won’t. You just never know. There are worse players in the league who have stuck around forever.”
No there are not.
Marvin Williams
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Jody
May 10th, 2010
10:34 pm
LET THE GAMES BEGIN!
Big Ray
May 10th, 2010
10:34 pm
It was a pretty dang good regular season.
Sautee ,
Talk about dubious infamy…
Jody ,
Same here, bro’. I hope it’s for the better.
Luke Cage
May 10th, 2010
10:34 pm
Time to go Fishin
Luke Cage
May 10th, 2010
10:35 pm
@Northcyde, u just described the Magic LOL
northcyde
May 10th, 2010
10:35 pm
JJ . . if that was your last game as a Hawk, I greatly appreciate making my NBA life relevant again. I caught all kinds of hell supporting this team for God knows how long. You helped get me back being a rabid die hard fan of this team, and I thank you for it man.
Good luck in the summer, wherever you go. If it’s back here . . let’s improve on what we did this year. If not, I wish you all the best.
robdawg08
May 10th, 2010
10:36 pm
Maybe Woody and JJ are gone ! A new coach and a new star player is on the horizon, I think.
SamOleMess
May 10th, 2010
10:36 pm
Changes start AT the TOP…….
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
May 10th, 2010
10:37 pm
Northcyde sounds like Terrel Owens when he was crying about Romo. “Thats my quarterback man” lol
Northcyde(about Joe): “Thats MJ in disguise man” *cries*
Luke Cage
May 10th, 2010
10:38 pm
Yeah Joe, thanks cause its hard here in Florida being a Hawks fan, but i’ve stuck with this franchise since i was a kid (except for a couple of days after the trade deadline in 1994) and will continue to do so, whatever your future holds i wish you the best, hopefully we can finish what we started and you decide to come back
northcyde
May 10th, 2010
10:38 pm
Woody . . if this was your last game as coach of the Hawks, I appreciate all you have done for this franchise. You took an almost impossible job and endured a lot of stuff on the court and behind the scenes. When people wanted you fired, or got down on this team, you kept your head up and kept the players focused.
So while most can’t wait to see you go, I do appreciate the 6 years of service that you gave us. Under your direction, the team became relevant again. And no one can take that away from you. Good luck in whatever you do.
Luke Cage
May 10th, 2010
10:39 pm
Spitter you a trip man, lol you keep the entertainment flowin
Luke Cage
May 10th, 2010
10:39 pm
Sorry Northcyde, woody got by on as the talent got better, he didn’t teach at all
robdawg08
May 10th, 2010
10:41 pm
Barkley & Kenny on TNT lighting Woody and the effort of the Hawks up !
Barley “I love Woody but when your tem gets beat by 40 you get mad. You got to break this team up after this.”