Magic at Atlanta Hawks Game 4: Personnel, Philosophy and Payroll

Expanding my print edition story . . .

Personnel

If the Hawks are interested in moving forward instead of standing pat, that means they are chasing the Magic. The disparity in talent (basketball, not physical), depth and single-minded execution in this series has been apparent. In addition to Dwight Howard, Jameer Nelson, Vince Carter and Rashard Lewis, the Magic can send out at least seven additional players who effectively fill major roles.

To get to that level, the Hawks need more and better perimeter players, starting with a point guard. That’s true whether they re-sign J.J. or not, which I’ll get into more under the “Philosophy” heading. The Hawks need to see what they have with Teague, and sending him to summer league is a good start, but they also need a veteran other than Bibby who can possibly start or play big minutes.

The Hawks need more depth. Look at the bottom of the roster right now: Joe Smith, Jason Collins, Randolph Morris and Mario West. The Hawks need better players to fill those roles (backup center, power forward, and defensive wing) and either Woody or the next coach has to make it a point to work them into the rotation.

Philosophy

When the Hawks, including co-owner Michael Gearon Jr., say they are a better team when the ball is moving, what they mean is they are better when J.J. isn’t dribbling out the ball on one side of the floor while his teammates stand around. So before the Hawks even begin to ponder how much they think J.J. is worth, they first must decide if he can play a different style. If the Hawks re-sign J.J. and add a point guard who can get to the rim and create open shots, can J.J. thrive as a spot-up shooter and cutter? Or does he need to play his deliberate, slashing style? If the Hawks keep Woody, would he be able to get J.J. to change for the sake of the team? Can any coach do it at this point?

At first I defended the merits of Iso-Joe, which included the Hawks’ excellent efficiency numbers during the regular season. Slowly I came to realize the psychological toll it has on this team, which has several guys who need to be involved to stay sharp. And now we see that in the playoffs good defensive teams, which most of them tend to be, can neutralize Iso-Joe or Iso-Anybody. Actually, we saw that before the playoffs, when the Hawks kept losing those road leads with low-scoring second halves.

The Hawks’ need for a point guard ties into the defensive philosophy, too. Since two of the Hawks’ four primary perimeter players are weak defenders, Woody has had to use switches on screens (Woody is a big fan of Bibby but I think he’d use him as a reserve if he had a clearly better option.) If Woody stays and the Hawks acquire a couple more strong perimeter defenders, would he then scrap the switches? (I think he would.)

The chemistry issues also tie into philosophy. Perhaps if the Hawks ran an offense with more player and ball movement they wouldn’t suffer so many of those demoralizing scoring droughts. Surely a defense that keeps Al and Josh near the basket would help with the negative rebounding margins, fatigue and frustrations that can occur when big men are forced to defend on the perimeter.

Payroll

It’s easy to say ASG simply needs to go for it and start spending serious money. The Magic has three guys (Dwight, Rashard and Vince) making more than J.J., and those three guys have taken it to the Hawks. Still, none of the rest of the Magic are particularly high-priced, but there are lots of them. The Magic picked the right guys behind the stars and a coach who’s gotten them to buy into a defense-first approach.

So it’s not only about payroll. But the Hawks didn’t use either of their salary-cap exceptions this season, and that’s a major way to acquire solid, veteran players who can fill a major role. It’s what teams with real championship aspirations do even if they don’t go out and sign max guys. The Hawks’ $66 million payroll is well below that of the serious contending teams. They’ve gotten next to nothing from the minimum-salaries guys at the end of the bench.

But the reality is, there are only a few superstars ASG could acquire who would provide a reasonable chance at a return on their investment in this market. The list starts with LeBron, Wade, and Kobe and doesn’t go on much longer, if it all. Without getting into the many reasons offered for why people haven’t turned out for Hawks games, the attendance and revenues haven’t kept pace with the victories. The Hawks had to sell deeply discounted tickets (or in some cases give them away) for playoffs games. This is not an environment that would inspire any owner to take on payroll unless they can get a guy on that short list of box-office draws.

I saw that effect in Miami. The Heat traded for Shaq and suddenly they were the hot thing in Miami. Three years of sellouts and dramatically increased revenues followed. Then things went south, teh crowds and revenues started drying up again and Shaq was on his way to Phoenix. That’s how it tends to go unless a franchise is located in a rabid basketball town with deep ties to the local team.

You can offer an argument that the city would rally behind (and spend money on) a low-key, superstarless team that plays fundamentally sound offense and rugged defense. But, really, is that realistic? The Hawks sent out an exciting, athletic team that won 37 games at Philips Arena while scoring a lot of points and still had trouble drawing. Would it really make a big difference if the newly-constructed team ran less isos and fought through screens?

As it stands now, the Hawks’ payroll is projected at roughly $45 million next season. The salary cap is expected to be at about $56 million. That means if the Hawks let J.J. walk without a sign-and-trade, they can could possibly sign a free agent whose salary starts at $10-$11 million $9-$10 million (edit: reader Robert Dinterman emailed to note that this would require the Hawks to renounce several cap holds–see here for details). If they end up at the cap limit, they then could add a player using the mid-level (salary starting at about $5.5 million), bi-annual ($2.1 million) exceptions and/or minimum-salary exceptions.

Perhaps that plan might work in the short term if the Hawks got the Personnel part right and found good value for a starting point guard, defensive wing, center and whatever else they decide they need. Maybe losing an All-NBA talent like J.J. is offset somewhat by the change in Philosophy that presumably would happen with him gone and a point guard added. It’s doubtful it would be a team that can break through to the East finals but maybe it’s a small step back before something bigger down the line.

MC

372 comments Add your comment

Luke Cage

May 10th, 2010
9:54 pm

Don’t understand Big Ray, there isn’t, but we have to go at him, i still say a PG is what this team needs

Big Ray

May 10th, 2010
9:56 pm

You don’t replace Joe Johnson.

You replace the concept of “Joe and those other guys” with a true team concept. You build with solidifying the two most important positions in mind (center and pg), and you get a better coach in here.

Try replacing Joe Johnson, and you’ll get the same damn thing that you got with Joe: Decent regular seasons followed by struggles in the first round, followed by hasty 2nd round exits.

Or are you worried about replacing sub-40% shooting in the playoffs and a scoring average in the teens?

Blast

May 10th, 2010
9:57 pm

At least Jamal is aggressive, attacking, getting to the line and making free throws. Joe is doing nothing.

Luke Cage

May 10th, 2010
9:57 pm

Ed, i like Crawford off the bench with that spark, rather have a real PG, look at what Rondo, Nelson, Nash & Deron Williams are doing, with this team a quick PG would get these long fast athletic team running more which is more of their strength

Luke Cage

May 10th, 2010
9:58 pm

with you Big Ray

Big Ray

May 10th, 2010
9:59 pm

Luke Cage ,

Agreed. We must have a good, steady pg. We have a decent understudy in Teague, I believe. But Bibby is well past being the floor general we need. Which means we have no starting pg right now, pure and simple.

Now ask me if things could have been different under a coach who understands that even the best players can’t be ridden to anything but limited success, much less the ones who are a step or half step below them.

They all needed help. But the soon-to-be past is…well, the soon-to-be past.

I’d think much harder about keeping Joe if I knew Woody wouldn’t be here.

O'Brien

May 10th, 2010
10:01 pm

I hope we resign jj, because despite a good 3rd quarter, I don’t want to see Crawford as our starting SG.

As a matter of fact, if we resign jj, I think we should trade Crawford.

Lets finished strong hawks. Win or lose, play with effort. And no offensive stagnation

GT Alum

May 10th, 2010
10:02 pm

At least the Braves have a 7-0 lead tonight.

Jody

May 10th, 2010
10:02 pm

Thinking of the fact that this team still needs a point guard makes my stomach hurt.

Luke Cage

May 10th, 2010
10:02 pm

LOL man Woody is toast, rather see Avery Johnson or an Assistant with a offensive concept that can make in game adjustments

Rod from College Park

May 10th, 2010
10:03 pm

Woody said we have to force them to make jumpshots (LOL). That’s what they do.

Blast

May 10th, 2010
10:03 pm

2 straight fouls to start the 4th. 3 Magic possesions and a Lewis 3.

SamOleMess

May 10th, 2010
10:03 pm

No Defense…..

STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)

May 10th, 2010
10:04 pm

Woody just doesn’t get it. I hope he gets booed after this game.

Jody

May 10th, 2010
10:04 pm

Time to start looking at what changes need to be made as this series is over.

Big Ray

May 10th, 2010
10:04 pm

The only problem being I don’t know, as MC has said, if Joe could play a different style of ball. But if I was willing to chance it, I’d kick Woody to the curb, get somebody in here that would implement a “share the ball” style of offense and made adjustments on both sides of the ball when necessary (and got rid of that asinine switch defense as our base defense, use it as a switch-up if necessary, but not the main staple).

Luke Cage

May 10th, 2010
10:05 pm

Still I want to congradulate the Hawks for a fun season, this will be an intresting and pivital offseason, last time we were in this situation it took us about a decade to get back to the playoffs

Blast

May 10th, 2010
10:05 pm

O’Brien,

Trade Crawford? Come on, man. Aside for AL, no one has more heart than Jamal.

Sautee

May 10th, 2010
10:05 pm

Blast

May 10th, 2010
10:07 pm

And how many games did Jamal help us win this year? After getting over his playoff jitters, he’s played very well, though not shooting so well, but he’s getting to the line.

Trade the 6th man of the year? U serious??????

Jody

May 10th, 2010
10:07 pm

Big Ray,

I think Joe can play a different style because he did it in Phoenix and they won 60 plus games. Under Mike Woodson, Joe gets all the shots (even bad ones) he wants and virtually no offensive player will say no to that.

Luke Cage

May 10th, 2010
10:07 pm

Honestly if we had any of the PG’s that i named earlier Woody woulda had them riding the bench instead of coaching him

SamOleMess

May 10th, 2010
10:09 pm

Whats REALLLY crazzyy is that JJ WOODY anddd Jamal could ALL WALK and nothing in RETURN. Who wants to come here and PLAY??? WHO?

Luke Cage

May 10th, 2010
10:09 pm

Lets just face it, they have better players and most importantly they have a much better coaching staff

Big Ray

May 10th, 2010
10:09 pm

What’s funny is that Sekou, who used to be here as the beat writer, always said Larry Drew was a totally different kind of coach than Woody is. If the ASG wants to go cheap while Sund re-tools this thing (which will happen if Joe doesn’t come back), just promote the guy. He’ll eithe prove himself or prove to be a stop-gap until the Hawks can get a more credible person.

It works for both parties. The Hawks players get a different, yet familiar voice. Drew gets to add to his resume.

That’s the ultimate el-cheapo option, if ownership and management want to go that way.

Avery Johnson would bring some much-needed discipline. Tell you what, Josh would either be playing where he’s needed on the court, or he’d be headed elsewhere. And Avery would ensure that either we had a good pg at the helm, or he’d help mold Teague into one. I’m sure of it. Avery was a hell of a pg himself.

Thing is, we may not have a shot at him. He’s already interviewed for the Hornets and somebody else…

Blast

May 10th, 2010
10:10 pm

Love Hawks and all, they gave us a thrilling season, but right now I can only sing:

Nananana…..Heeeey, hey, goodbye….

See ya next season!

SamOleMess

May 10th, 2010
10:11 pm

People leaving…. Booing as they leave

Luke Cage

May 10th, 2010
10:11 pm

As of tomorrow Avery can interview for the Hawks job

SWAT Native

May 10th, 2010
10:11 pm

@Nahjeeen, I’m only reacting to the Al Horford championship pedigree comment earlier. I’m just saying he’s not the only one on the Hawks that has won an NCAA champtionship.

Luke Cage

May 10th, 2010
10:11 pm

Well gotta watch Kenny get that Fishing Boat started up next

Blast

May 10th, 2010
10:12 pm

Everytime Hawks seems to be getting some momentum, refs call us for a vague foul.

Jody

May 10th, 2010
10:12 pm

As bad as this sounds, I’m ready to see who Kenny has on the fishin’ boat.

Big Ray

May 10th, 2010
10:13 pm

Jody ,

I would quickly agree to that, and brought up the Phoenix style of play before. Two things bother me about that reference, though:

1) Joe was in a near perfect situation in Phoenix if you want to talk about winning and championship contention. However, he wanted out in the worst way. Why? Was it about the contract? He was a starter and got plenty of shots. You don’t get 17+ ppg by being ignored on offense.

2) Joe has gotten precisely what you said he got here (all the shots he wants). For FIVE YEARS. One might have to work a bit hard to convince him otherwise at this point.

sleepy

May 10th, 2010
10:13 pm

Will people stop saying Phoenix that was over 5 years ago. If you think Joe is gonna be willing to sacrifice touches or shots you are crazy.

Horford Rox

May 10th, 2010
10:13 pm

I recommend that we trade all boos for booze. Ha.

Luke Cage

May 10th, 2010
10:15 pm

I believe and hope Joe returns, with better coaching and Teague starting we will be more fun, exciting and hungrier. If Woodrow goes to Philly, Igudala will become JJ of the south lol

Snowman

May 10th, 2010
10:16 pm

Mike, very well done!!! By the way, what’s up with Jeff Schultz? Why does he and the GM work against Woody and Joe in the paper the way they do? Is he a fraud? I know you are a colleague and must support your teammate (I get it…well at least publicly)) but that guy is a jerk and has had an agenda for years…I hope he gets fired!!! Not because he is dishonest and a fraud, which he is, but because he provides cover for Sund and it is so obvious. The fact is he is not very good at all!!!…We’ll talk further later over a nice beverage after the season is over. Again, very good work the way you framed the discussion!!!

Luke Cage

May 10th, 2010
10:17 pm

Jim Kelly in “Enter The Dragon” looking at Woody, “Man you come straight out of a comic book”

Wabe

May 10th, 2010
10:18 pm

I think it’s safe to say that this is offically a wrap.

Looking forward to the offseason.

*On another note, I don’t think there’s a team in the league that’ll beat Orlando 4 out of 7, including the Lakers. The Lakers have the size, and they have guys like Odom who can stay on Rashard on the perimeter, but they still have nobody to stay in front of Jameer Nelson. The Lakers struggle to stop opposing PG’s, just as the Hawks do. Judging based on what Westbrook was able to do to them, I’d say Jameer will have his way against the Lakers in the NBA FINALS.

Big Ray

May 10th, 2010
10:18 pm

Luke ,

LOL. Woody would not know what to do with that Philly squad. Nobody up there knows how to shoot.

2 FOR JOHN DREW

May 10th, 2010
10:18 pm

THAT COMMERCIAL ….. THE NBA, WHERE CARING HAPPENS
IS FORCED COMMUNITY SERVICE FOR THE NBA PLAYERS … B/C YOU KNOW
IF HALF (maybe more) THOSE PLAYERS HAD THEIR DRUTHERS …. THEY COULD GIVE A FLYING FLIP ABOUT SITTING W/ SOME SCHOOL KIDS READING BOOKS AND SMILING FOR THE CAMERAS (i mean smiling for david stern)

Rod from College Park

May 10th, 2010
10:18 pm

I guess making them shoot jump shots was not such a good idea Woody.

Jody

May 10th, 2010
10:19 pm

Big Ray,

If my memory serves me correctly, I think Joe’s departure from Phoenix had to do with them giving an extension to Q Richardson over him. However, I see your point. At this point, Joe should be smart enough to realize that the iso heavy offense won’t get him a title. I also feel that this is the time when missed draft picks (Williams and Williams) comes back to bite you, HARD. You get your franchise in a position where you make the playoffs, but don’t have the players to lead you to a deep run.

STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)

May 10th, 2010
10:19 pm

Woody still wont play Teague. He hates him. Damn

sleepy

May 10th, 2010
10:19 pm

There is no special coaching for complacency.

The starting unit has been together 3 straight years and they basically struggled as a unit all year .Theyve gotten better individually but as a unit there is no chemistry.

The goal should be to move Al to PF and trade the the rest of the starting unit for someone to surround him with .

ghost

May 10th, 2010
10:19 pm

Ha. Snowman defending Woody. Send him some foodstamps when he gets fired you dork.

bigdave

May 10th, 2010
10:20 pm

its about making shots my a$s…

GOOOOOOODDDDDBYYYYYYEEEEEE WOODSON.

Luke Cage

May 10th, 2010
10:20 pm

Hey Spitter, i feel a Josh Smith hard foul on someone before he hits the bench

Big Ray

May 10th, 2010
10:21 pm

Jody ,

Yeah, you would hope so. I don’t know with Joe. Seems like he’s ready to leave as it is, but we’ll see. He may stay for the money and extra year, depending on what we offer him.

As for the draft, don’t get me started. We missed badly in two straight drafts and I still get clowned when I bring it up, getting told to let go of the past.

I have let go of the past. But the past won’t let go of the Hawks. What’s a guy gonna do?

Luke Cage

May 10th, 2010
10:22 pm

Since we are saddle with Marvin, put him on the bench and make him the 8th man, a guy like Rudy Gay would be a sweet 3 for us….Make AL a 4 and watch this guy grow and flourish