Magic at Atlanta Hawks Game 4: Personnel, Philosophy and Payroll

Expanding my print edition story . . .

Personnel

If the Hawks are interested in moving forward instead of standing pat, that means they are chasing the Magic. The disparity in talent (basketball, not physical), depth and single-minded execution in this series has been apparent. In addition to Dwight Howard, Jameer Nelson, Vince Carter and Rashard Lewis, the Magic can send out at least seven additional players who effectively fill major roles.

To get to that level, the Hawks need more and better perimeter players, starting with a point guard. That’s true whether they re-sign J.J. or not, which I’ll get into more under the “Philosophy” heading. The Hawks need to see what they have with Teague, and sending him to summer league is a good start, but they also need a veteran other than Bibby who can possibly start or play big minutes.

The Hawks need more depth. Look at the bottom of the roster right now: Joe Smith, Jason Collins, Randolph Morris and Mario West. The Hawks need better players to fill those roles (backup center, power forward, and defensive wing) and either Woody or the next coach has to make it a point to work them into the rotation.

Philosophy

When the Hawks, including co-owner Michael Gearon Jr., say they are a better team when the ball is moving, what they mean is they are better when J.J. isn’t dribbling out the ball on one side of the floor while his teammates stand around. So before the Hawks even begin to ponder how much they think J.J. is worth, they first must decide if he can play a different style. If the Hawks re-sign J.J. and add a point guard who can get to the rim and create open shots, can J.J. thrive as a spot-up shooter and cutter? Or does he need to play his deliberate, slashing style? If the Hawks keep Woody, would he be able to get J.J. to change for the sake of the team? Can any coach do it at this point?

At first I defended the merits of Iso-Joe, which included the Hawks’ excellent efficiency numbers during the regular season. Slowly I came to realize the psychological toll it has on this team, which has several guys who need to be involved to stay sharp. And now we see that in the playoffs good defensive teams, which most of them tend to be, can neutralize Iso-Joe or Iso-Anybody. Actually, we saw that before the playoffs, when the Hawks kept losing those road leads with low-scoring second halves.

The Hawks’ need for a point guard ties into the defensive philosophy, too. Since two of the Hawks’ four primary perimeter players are weak defenders, Woody has had to use switches on screens (Woody is a big fan of Bibby but I think he’d use him as a reserve if he had a clearly better option.) If Woody stays and the Hawks acquire a couple more strong perimeter defenders, would he then scrap the switches? (I think he would.)

The chemistry issues also tie into philosophy. Perhaps if the Hawks ran an offense with more player and ball movement they wouldn’t suffer so many of those demoralizing scoring droughts. Surely a defense that keeps Al and Josh near the basket would help with the negative rebounding margins, fatigue and frustrations that can occur when big men are forced to defend on the perimeter.

Payroll

It’s easy to say ASG simply needs to go for it and start spending serious money. The Magic has three guys (Dwight, Rashard and Vince) making more than J.J., and those three guys have taken it to the Hawks. Still, none of the rest of the Magic are particularly high-priced, but there are lots of them. The Magic picked the right guys behind the stars and a coach who’s gotten them to buy into a defense-first approach.

So it’s not only about payroll. But the Hawks didn’t use either of their salary-cap exceptions this season, and that’s a major way to acquire solid, veteran players who can fill a major role. It’s what teams with real championship aspirations do even if they don’t go out and sign max guys. The Hawks’ $66 million payroll is well below that of the serious contending teams. They’ve gotten next to nothing from the minimum-salaries guys at the end of the bench.

But the reality is, there are only a few superstars ASG could acquire who would provide a reasonable chance at a return on their investment in this market. The list starts with LeBron, Wade, and Kobe and doesn’t go on much longer, if it all. Without getting into the many reasons offered for why people haven’t turned out for Hawks games, the attendance and revenues haven’t kept pace with the victories. The Hawks had to sell deeply discounted tickets (or in some cases give them away) for playoffs games. This is not an environment that would inspire any owner to take on payroll unless they can get a guy on that short list of box-office draws.

I saw that effect in Miami. The Heat traded for Shaq and suddenly they were the hot thing in Miami. Three years of sellouts and dramatically increased revenues followed. Then things went south, teh crowds and revenues started drying up again and Shaq was on his way to Phoenix. That’s how it tends to go unless a franchise is located in a rabid basketball town with deep ties to the local team.

You can offer an argument that the city would rally behind (and spend money on) a low-key, superstarless team that plays fundamentally sound offense and rugged defense. But, really, is that realistic? The Hawks sent out an exciting, athletic team that won 37 games at Philips Arena while scoring a lot of points and still had trouble drawing. Would it really make a big difference if the newly-constructed team ran less isos and fought through screens?

As it stands now, the Hawks’ payroll is projected at roughly $45 million next season. The salary cap is expected to be at about $56 million. That means if the Hawks let J.J. walk without a sign-and-trade, they can could possibly sign a free agent whose salary starts at $10-$11 million $9-$10 million (edit: reader Robert Dinterman emailed to note that this would require the Hawks to renounce several cap holds–see here for details). If they end up at the cap limit, they then could add a player using the mid-level (salary starting at about $5.5 million), bi-annual ($2.1 million) exceptions and/or minimum-salary exceptions.

Perhaps that plan might work in the short term if the Hawks got the Personnel part right and found good value for a starting point guard, defensive wing, center and whatever else they decide they need. Maybe losing an All-NBA talent like J.J. is offset somewhat by the change in Philosophy that presumably would happen with him gone and a point guard added. It’s doubtful it would be a team that can break through to the East finals but maybe it’s a small step back before something bigger down the line.

MC

372 comments Add your comment

Luke Cage

May 10th, 2010
9:00 pm

no 3 seconds call

Najeh Davenpoop

May 10th, 2010
9:02 pm

I won’t be booing them after this half; they didn’t play too smart, but they at least look like tbey are trying. That’s a big improvement from last game.

Jody

May 10th, 2010
9:04 pm

Marvin Williams is really weak.

lewis

May 10th, 2010
9:05 pm

Not at all the voice I expected to come from Matt Barnes.

northcyde

May 10th, 2010
9:05 pm

We’d be in the game if Jamal drove then dished.

Instead, he’s 1-8 FG ( and getting a pass from the fan base because he’s not JJ, Smoove, or Marvin )

O'Brien

May 10th, 2010
9:13 pm

northcyde,

Agreed. Crawford needs to drive and dish. But since he is not doing that (and he is 1-8), then why won’t Woody take him out the game?

That reinforces the point that Hawks need a PG. We are always relying on our SGs to get others involved. Thats the job of a PG.

If Teague is not good enough (and we know Bibby isn’t), then get somebody in here this offseason who can run the offense.

Hawks are trying this game, I’ll give them that…But too many jumpshots.

terrell

May 10th, 2010
9:15 pm

It’s just a mismatch. Orlando has at least 3 players that are better than the Hawks best player. They’re going to be hard to beat. Especially with a team that’s as up and down as the Hawks are. Remember they knocked Cleveland out or the Playoffs last year without Jameer. We’ve got to add some more depth and a new Coach with more than 1 play in his playbook to compete with the Orlando’s and Cleveland’s of the world. It’s that simple.

O'Brien

May 10th, 2010
9:17 pm

I think Woody is playing JJ 46 minutes because he wants him to get his numbers. He has played 23 minutes in the first half, and I wont be surprised when he gets tired in the second half.

Idiot Watch

May 10th, 2010
9:18 pm

FIRE MIKE CON THE HAM

Idiot Watch

May 10th, 2010
9:20 pm

I AGREE WITH THE EARLIER POSTER THAT MIKE CON & HAM LOOKS LIKE DIARRHEA

terrell

May 10th, 2010
9:20 pm

Obrien, Woody better be worried about his job. .uck JJ’s numbers. lol!

Idiot Watch

May 10th, 2010
9:21 pm

MIKE , CON&HAM AKA DICK BREATH

Idiot Watch

May 10th, 2010
9:23 pm

WOODSON HAS ALREADY AGREE TO GO TO A TEAM THAT IS SERIOUS ABOUT WINNING AND IS WILLING TO GO AFTER A LEGITIMATE CENTER. HE HAS NOTIFIED SUND THAT IF HE WANTS TO RETAIN HIS SERVICES HE BETTER GO AFTER A CENTER!

lewis

May 10th, 2010
9:27 pm

If you want a revolution….
the only solution…
Evolve.

Hawks have not evolved at all in 3 years, despite the increase in win total. Individually players have gotten better, but as a team, worse.

Luke Cage

May 10th, 2010
9:27 pm

Magic are going for the juglar right now

SamOleMess

May 10th, 2010
9:28 pm

3 more Jump shots on da pile!!! Goodnesssss…

lewis

May 10th, 2010
9:28 pm

I just wanted to see some basketball tonight. Guess i’ll have to watch LA Utah

Luke Cage

May 10th, 2010
9:29 pm

now they get a 3 the old fashioned way

Luke Cage

May 10th, 2010
9:30 pm

Well 53 wins, growth of Al, it was a fun season to watch

Luke Cage

May 10th, 2010
9:31 pm

Just glad that Woody has no barganing power after this series, SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE YAAAAAAAAA WOODROW

cp

May 10th, 2010
9:31 pm

Another invisible man night for Duck

SamOleMess

May 10th, 2010
9:31 pm

See thats EFFORT!!!!!! Or lack of…. Drive the lane behind the back pass for a THREEE. Better TEAM my azzz.. They straight CLOWNIN the Hawks!!

Sautee

May 10th, 2010
9:32 pm

Looks like somebody forgot those meds.

Blast

May 10th, 2010
9:33 pm

Here comes the beatdown!

Flava Fav on WWE Raw for those interested.

lewis

May 10th, 2010
9:33 pm

Jefferson on San Antonio is as good as Marvin will ever be, and he’s serviceable at best.

O'Brien

May 10th, 2010
9:34 pm

Why is bibby still in the game?

Mchale said third quarter is championship quarter because teams make adjustment at halftime.

Interesting.

SamOleMess

May 10th, 2010
9:35 pm

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

terrell

May 10th, 2010
9:35 pm

And to think, Billy Donavon turned down an opportunity to coach this team.

STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)

May 10th, 2010
9:36 pm

Josh is soooooooooooooo dumb. Instead of passing to Jamal he gets his shot blocked and cries.

Luke Cage

May 10th, 2010
9:38 pm

Sad thing is Sund won’t get anyone in the paint to challenge this guy, he will crush the hawks for many years to come

Najheeen Boompar

May 10th, 2010
9:38 pm

SWAT, yes, Marvin was on a championship team in college…he was not a starter on the team in college, which is why so many questioned Billy Knight taking him over Deron Williams or Chris Paul..and do still.

Wabe

May 10th, 2010
9:38 pm

Venom,

Is it necessary for you to take every opportunity you get to point out J.Smith’s faults?

doc

May 10th, 2010
9:40 pm

najeh that 9 mil could be chills or a point and maybe a legit big if you throw in the salaries of unused players.

look this organization lost my interest when they went looking and signed mario for the rest of the season as its player to help make a move into the playoffs. that showed me they werent willing and didnt really respect anyone form the team to the fans. it showed no committment.

MC those are some mighty words there for you to say. it sounds very familiar to others around here and those same words said for the last three years. that iso stuff has been a killer because jj isnt that kind of player not even a killer like pierce for nailing the big shots. even now i shudder to see guys hesitate to pass it to someone then dribble the ball to where the guy was standing and makes the guy standing there in position to move. that is the type of team culture that has been developed.

as far as woody changing anything? no, because for the last three years that has been his state of the hawks address at the beginning of seasons of what will be changed based on what he has learned. problem is he continues to do the same things. i really hope you dont have to experience groundhog day with us if he remains.

lewis

May 10th, 2010
9:40 pm

Wabe,

Josh Smith would be in the D-league if Woodson had any backbone at all. I’ve wanted him to be the player and person he’s capable of for several years, it’s never going to happen. He cancels out half of his positive plays simply by making poor decisions over and over.

Big Ray

May 10th, 2010
9:41 pm

This is a parody of a game. The Maigc are playing not to lose this game. That’s how bad it really is.

STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)

May 10th, 2010
9:42 pm

Yes it is neccessary. Becuz Smart people learn from their mistakes. Josh doesn’t. And my name is STEEL.

Luke Cage

May 10th, 2010
9:44 pm

You will be amazed in the difference of having a real PG play PG, thats really what this team needs, can’t have Joe & Jamal running your point

Dory Funk III

May 10th, 2010
9:44 pm

Okay, seriously, do we need a point more or a center more? I say a true center, with Al and Smoove playing 3 and 4, would net 5-10 more wins this year. I say the same starting four, with an energetic, defensive point guard that can distribute, get others involved, would net us about the same. Truly? A point might be easier to come by. There just aren’t any D Howard’s floating around out there, other than the guy out in Golden State, and he’s not available. What do the experts think? Lemme hear ya.

lewis

May 10th, 2010
9:46 pm

What kills me is that TNT is across the street yet we get NO support from any of their analysts, who all live in Atlanta.

O'Brien

May 10th, 2010
9:46 pm

I think jj looks tired

Luke Cage

May 10th, 2010
9:47 pm

Dory we need a point more, look at what Jennings & Nelson has done to us in these playoffs, if you can get dribble penetration it just opens up everything, also with a quick PG you can stay in front of other PG’s

Abdullah the Butcher

May 10th, 2010
9:48 pm

Okay, Joe’s gone. Big deal, he’s overrated anyway. Marvin has either got to go, or find a seat on the bench. Bibby is getting old, I can deal with that, it happens. Marvin was not a starter in college for a reason. Now you see that reason. Thank you Billy Knight.

Luke Cage

May 10th, 2010
9:50 pm

Who do we replace Joe with, i want serious answers, DWade aint showin up, Lebron aint even lookin this way, so who do we replace Joe with for all the “Let Joe Go” fans

lewis

May 10th, 2010
9:50 pm

It is a big deal.
Hope this series alters every one of our players careers for the better.

ed from athens

May 10th, 2010
9:50 pm

Billy brought us Al, Bibby and Smoove don’t forget. Of course he also brought us Chills, and the Williams boys, Marv and Sheldon, the latter two with flippin’ lottery picks.

ed from athens

May 10th, 2010
9:52 pm

Luke,
What about Crawford? I don’t know if he could hold up or not, but if no one else why not him? Then we could go out and find, with luck, a true center, or at least more of a true center, and let Al play 4 and Smoove 3, or even keep Smoove 4 and put Al at 3.

Big Ray

May 10th, 2010
9:52 pm

Luke Cage ,

Who out there do you see challenging Howard in the paint? Did I miss the other 10 available all-star centers that average double doubles against him on a nightly basis?

Wabe ,

There is a reason why he took the name Venom Spitter. Because he spits venom. Josh is just one of the targets. In other news, the Taliban and Al Qaeda want to destroy all American infidels….

Najeh Davenpoop

May 10th, 2010
9:53 pm

“najeh that 9 mil could be chills or a point and maybe a legit big if you throw in the salaries of unused players.”

Of course, but I think the $20 million or so in essentially dead money hurts the Hawks a lot more. I’m just trying to say the money excuse doesn’t really fly when so much of it is tied up in garbage as it is.

BIGWORM

May 10th, 2010
9:53 pm

Enter your comments here. Let’s. Fix hawks ok asuming the nets get first pick in draft and they take j wall we send bibby m wiliams for Devin Harris. That’s ouR pg sign mike miller bring back chillz. Go get C mghee out of washington and then offer joe the same as before season plus hire Byron Scott

SamOleMess

May 10th, 2010
9:54 pm

I would post up Nelson EVERYTIME down the floor…