Magic at Atlanta Hawks Game 4: Personnel, Philosophy and Payroll

Expanding my print edition story . . .

Personnel

If the Hawks are interested in moving forward instead of standing pat, that means they are chasing the Magic. The disparity in talent (basketball, not physical), depth and single-minded execution in this series has been apparent. In addition to Dwight Howard, Jameer Nelson, Vince Carter and Rashard Lewis, the Magic can send out at least seven additional players who effectively fill major roles.

To get to that level, the Hawks need more and better perimeter players, starting with a point guard. That’s true whether they re-sign J.J. or not, which I’ll get into more under the “Philosophy” heading. The Hawks need to see what they have with Teague, and sending him to summer league is a good start, but they also need a veteran other than Bibby who can possibly start or play big minutes.

The Hawks need more depth. Look at the bottom of the roster right now: Joe Smith, Jason Collins, Randolph Morris and Mario West. The Hawks need better players to fill those roles (backup center, power forward, and defensive wing) and either Woody or the next coach has to make it a point to work them into the rotation.

Philosophy

When the Hawks, including co-owner Michael Gearon Jr., say they are a better team when the ball is moving, what they mean is they are better when J.J. isn’t dribbling out the ball on one side of the floor while his teammates stand around. So before the Hawks even begin to ponder how much they think J.J. is worth, they first must decide if he can play a different style. If the Hawks re-sign J.J. and add a point guard who can get to the rim and create open shots, can J.J. thrive as a spot-up shooter and cutter? Or does he need to play his deliberate, slashing style? If the Hawks keep Woody, would he be able to get J.J. to change for the sake of the team? Can any coach do it at this point?

At first I defended the merits of Iso-Joe, which included the Hawks’ excellent efficiency numbers during the regular season. Slowly I came to realize the psychological toll it has on this team, which has several guys who need to be involved to stay sharp. And now we see that in the playoffs good defensive teams, which most of them tend to be, can neutralize Iso-Joe or Iso-Anybody. Actually, we saw that before the playoffs, when the Hawks kept losing those road leads with low-scoring second halves.

The Hawks’ need for a point guard ties into the defensive philosophy, too. Since two of the Hawks’ four primary perimeter players are weak defenders, Woody has had to use switches on screens (Woody is a big fan of Bibby but I think he’d use him as a reserve if he had a clearly better option.) If Woody stays and the Hawks acquire a couple more strong perimeter defenders, would he then scrap the switches? (I think he would.)

The chemistry issues also tie into philosophy. Perhaps if the Hawks ran an offense with more player and ball movement they wouldn’t suffer so many of those demoralizing scoring droughts. Surely a defense that keeps Al and Josh near the basket would help with the negative rebounding margins, fatigue and frustrations that can occur when big men are forced to defend on the perimeter.

Payroll

It’s easy to say ASG simply needs to go for it and start spending serious money. The Magic has three guys (Dwight, Rashard and Vince) making more than J.J., and those three guys have taken it to the Hawks. Still, none of the rest of the Magic are particularly high-priced, but there are lots of them. The Magic picked the right guys behind the stars and a coach who’s gotten them to buy into a defense-first approach.

So it’s not only about payroll. But the Hawks didn’t use either of their salary-cap exceptions this season, and that’s a major way to acquire solid, veteran players who can fill a major role. It’s what teams with real championship aspirations do even if they don’t go out and sign max guys. The Hawks’ $66 million payroll is well below that of the serious contending teams. They’ve gotten next to nothing from the minimum-salaries guys at the end of the bench.

But the reality is, there are only a few superstars ASG could acquire who would provide a reasonable chance at a return on their investment in this market. The list starts with LeBron, Wade, and Kobe and doesn’t go on much longer, if it all. Without getting into the many reasons offered for why people haven’t turned out for Hawks games, the attendance and revenues haven’t kept pace with the victories. The Hawks had to sell deeply discounted tickets (or in some cases give them away) for playoffs games. This is not an environment that would inspire any owner to take on payroll unless they can get a guy on that short list of box-office draws.

I saw that effect in Miami. The Heat traded for Shaq and suddenly they were the hot thing in Miami. Three years of sellouts and dramatically increased revenues followed. Then things went south, teh crowds and revenues started drying up again and Shaq was on his way to Phoenix. That’s how it tends to go unless a franchise is located in a rabid basketball town with deep ties to the local team.

You can offer an argument that the city would rally behind (and spend money on) a low-key, superstarless team that plays fundamentally sound offense and rugged defense. But, really, is that realistic? The Hawks sent out an exciting, athletic team that won 37 games at Philips Arena while scoring a lot of points and still had trouble drawing. Would it really make a big difference if the newly-constructed team ran less isos and fought through screens?

As it stands now, the Hawks’ payroll is projected at roughly $45 million next season. The salary cap is expected to be at about $56 million. That means if the Hawks let J.J. walk without a sign-and-trade, they can could possibly sign a free agent whose salary starts at $10-$11 million $9-$10 million (edit: reader Robert Dinterman emailed to note that this would require the Hawks to renounce several cap holds–see here for details). If they end up at the cap limit, they then could add a player using the mid-level (salary starting at about $5.5 million), bi-annual ($2.1 million) exceptions and/or minimum-salary exceptions.

Perhaps that plan might work in the short term if the Hawks got the Personnel part right and found good value for a starting point guard, defensive wing, center and whatever else they decide they need. Maybe losing an All-NBA talent like J.J. is offset somewhat by the change in Philosophy that presumably would happen with him gone and a point guard added. It’s doubtful it would be a team that can break through to the East finals but maybe it’s a small step back before something bigger down the line.

MC

372 comments Add your comment

Horford Rox

May 10th, 2010
7:34 pm

GT Alum,
Maybe I was wrong for rushing to judgement on ole Mr. Rich. I may have misinterpreted his comments.

Go Hawx…Beat ‘em up if you have to!!!

Not only have I broken a broomstick today, but I ain’t fond of records either.

GO HAWX!! SHOCK THE WORLD!!!

GT Alum

May 10th, 2010
7:36 pm

Oh, and most of those guys seemed just as frustrated with the performance of the team as a whole as Hawks’ fans were and seemed to understand the booing. I’d really love to know what the atmosphere is like in the Hawks locker room before this game.

niremetal

May 10th, 2010
7:38 pm

The Hawks quit- just like I quit women when I found that juicy Big Ray!

brody

May 10th, 2010
7:42 pm

Why are bucks fans on here? Didn’t we beat you guys and you were up a game? If it were you all playing the Magic you would be beaten by 50 a game.

GT Alum

May 10th, 2010
7:45 pm

I guess they’re still upset about Josh’s comment that there’s nothing to do in Milwaukee. Especially after Yi didn’t want to be anywhere near there either.

oconomowoc hawk

May 10th, 2010
7:47 pm

the woodson/sund shotgun marriage needs to be dissolved.milwaukee won 49 games with a good center, a rookie point guard, and 10 role players.why?because g.m. hammond had skiles back 100% the players knew if they didnt give max effort,they would sit, and running up to the g.m.’s office to gripe would do them no good.they were held ACCOUNTABLE for their effort.

Don!

May 10th, 2010
7:47 pm

Horford Rox,

You don’t know me. Ask Ray and a couple of the old folks on the board, they’ll recognize my posts. I was here when this team had Pistol Pete. I spent the formative years of my basketball fandom cheering Doc Rivers when he played for us. I was here when this team won 13 games a few years ago. I’ve done pretty darn well in understanding this team and its’ potential for as long as I can remember.

This team, as currently constructed, has no heart.

Blame it on JJ’s contract push, or maybe Woody’s being left in limbo. Maybe it really is just the disjointed ownership. But any way you slice it, this team is the Tin Man of the NBA playoffs. No Heart.

I appreciate your enthusiasm, but the use of ALL CAPS and likely a rose-colored sense of view won’t help this team tonight, next year, or for the foreseeable future. This season is/was the limit of what can be achieved with this group — and this series is a harsh look in the mirror. It hurts, but sometimes you just have to tell Mama the baby is ugly. And as a team, the lack of preparation, the lack of effort — in short the lack of heart, is telling.

I love my awks. But this team has no H.

Later,

Don!

Bolten

May 10th, 2010
7:56 pm

oconomowoc, the Bucks actually won 46 games, not 49.

Hawk n the Ham

May 10th, 2010
7:59 pm

On the coaching question….How many teams with vacant coaching spots will go after Calipari?

lewis

May 10th, 2010
7:59 pm

Magic Johnson is disappointed in his friend Woodson for being so emotionless.
Jon “I hate the Atlanta Hawks” Barry refuses to address it as a series.
Wilbon says they could make up some lie as to why the Hawks havn’t shown up, but it’d be pointless.

Hawks lose by 18.

lewis

May 10th, 2010
8:00 pm

Woody turned soft because the Hawks have the emotional capacity of 4 year olds, now its biting him in the arse.

VinceVanGo

May 10th, 2010
8:02 pm

We need a coach, a fast & furious point guard, and an athletic center. Marvin Williams and Mike Bibby need to come off the bench or be traded. We also need a couple of good outside shooters. Let Horford be the go to guy with Josh Smith as the second option, then hit the shooters when they pack in or double team. They have most of the pieces, they just need a coach that has offensive and defensive schemes and knows how to get the most out of his players and how to control them when they drag their butts.

lewis

May 10th, 2010
8:03 pm

Al Horford looks pissed.

STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)

May 10th, 2010
8:04 pm

Let the beatdown commence

oconomowoc hawk

May 10th, 2010
8:04 pm

Bolten- 46 plus 3 playoff=49

Ramon

May 10th, 2010
8:05 pm

Najeh, I’ve NEVER said Sean Williams was a better defender than Horford. I’ve never even spoken of Sean Williams. I always said the Hawks should’ve acquired Camby for the longest to come off of the bench.

STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)

May 10th, 2010
8:05 pm

Man Nash was bleeding and he didn’t act he he was shot. Suck it up Josh.

Horford Rox

May 10th, 2010
8:05 pm

Don!
You’re right. I don’t know you and I don’t care to. To be honest, I only use ALL CAPS b/c I don’t know how to accentuate certain phrases in bold. Your rebuttal to me is the only thing decent you’ve posted tonight. Maybe my original thoughts were a little too harsh on you. But, I will always support and defend my H-A-W-X!! I don’t care to read any more “fan credentials” about your life as an “Awks” fan. I simply don’t care. You come across as lacking heart yourself, because you lack faith in the face of adversity. Instead of supporting this team, you’re blasting them. This ain’t the time for naysayers. Down 0-3, this is when the REAL FANS should step up and stand behind this team 100%. What’s happened so far is history. Now, it’s time to flip the script and…

SHOCK THE WORLD!!
Let’s (Caps off for Don!) Go Hawx!!!

Have a nice day,
Horford Rox

lewis

May 10th, 2010
8:06 pm

if he scratched his actual eye there’s really nothing he can do about it.

you can’t even keep it open at that point

STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)

May 10th, 2010
8:06 pm

Damn JJosh has embarassed himself this post season

O'Brien

May 10th, 2010
8:06 pm

Wody forced to take a timeout already. Orlando looks good

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

May 10th, 2010
8:06 pm

nice to see woodson call the early time out to rally the troops and make adjustments…… <<<<BS

STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)

May 10th, 2010
8:06 pm

LOL theres nobody in the upper bowls of the arena

Blast

May 10th, 2010
8:07 pm

Only good thing about TNT, ESPN, and NBATV dominating the 2nd round is that mercifully, Nique and Bob have been spared the humiliation of calling this debacle of a series.

lewis

May 10th, 2010
8:07 pm

arena is empty

STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)

May 10th, 2010
8:08 pm

Why doesn’t woodys dumbazz play teague.

sleepy

May 10th, 2010
8:08 pm

This starting unit is done and has been for awhile. Bring back Al get what you can for the rest

Melvin

May 10th, 2010
8:09 pm

Wow, the crowd is booing Joe….

STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)

May 10th, 2010
8:09 pm

Look at Josh asking for the ball while standing behind the 3pt line lol. Seriously.

lewis

May 10th, 2010
8:09 pm

Yeah i’m starting to think Nique is a bad guy to have in the office.

Bibby is incredibly winded after 4 minutes.

STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)

May 10th, 2010
8:11 pm

LOL Bibby thinks he’s reggie miller

lewis

May 10th, 2010
8:12 pm

bibby has 12 points this series.

STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)

May 10th, 2010
8:12 pm

Bibby has a total of 12 pts in the 1st 3 games LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)

May 10th, 2010
8:13 pm

Why is there a whistling sound?

lewis

May 10th, 2010
8:14 pm

loved the lineup without Josh’s decision making as a liability

O'Brien

May 10th, 2010
8:14 pm

Talented or not, why can’t we pass the ball the way Orlando does?

Najeh Davenpoop

May 10th, 2010
8:15 pm

“they think J.J. is worth, they first must decide if he can play a different style. If the Hawks re-sign J.J. and add a point guard who can get to the rim and create open shots, can J.J. thrive as a spot-up shooter and cutter?”

He already has, in Phoenix. He’s always been known as one of the more unselfish “superstars” out there, and I think he can adapt to a more ball movement oriented style.

“If the Hawks keep Woody, would he be able to get J.J. to change for the sake of the team?”

After these playoffs, I can’t see “Woody” and “change” in the same sentence. I have zero confidence in Woody’s ability to make adjustments of any kind. This team needs a coaching change.

“The Hawks’ $66 million payroll is well below that of the serious contending teams. They’ve gotten next to nothing from the minimum-salaries guys at the end of the bench.”

The difference in salary between the Hawks, at #22 in the league, and Denver, at #8 in the league, is $9 million… in other words, roughly one Marvin Williams. The Hawks are spending $19 million a year on Bibby, Marvin, and Zaza. Spending money wisely is a lot more important than just spending more money.

sleepy

May 10th, 2010
8:16 pm

The starters unit is done you can see how there is no chemistry. We cant even run basic offensive or defensive sets after 3 years . Weve been basically getting along on the outstanding individual talents of the player but as a unit they they just dont mesh.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 10th, 2010
8:17 pm

“Najeh, I’ve NEVER said Sean Williams was a better defender than Horford.”

That post was addressed at Clyde, not you.

Wabe

May 10th, 2010
8:18 pm

“We cant even run basic offensive or defensive sets after 3 years…”

Sleepy,

We can’t? Or we won’t?

Luke Cage

May 10th, 2010
8:18 pm

Our 1st drive to the basket

STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)

May 10th, 2010
8:19 pm

seriously does Zaza do anything positive?

lewis

May 10th, 2010
8:20 pm

one of the things I’ve wanted to say all year but sort of held it in (not being a perfect, physical specimen myself) is that the Hawks are not one of the well conditioned teams in this league. They’re young and athletic so one can easily be fooled, but they look much more winded than other teams in the playoffs. Again, another thing Woodson has failed to recognize. Doesn’t help that he overplayed starters in the reg season.

cp

May 10th, 2010
8:20 pm

Its amazing to me that Woodrow is still playing Bibby. What more does he have to do to show that he is just big of a liablity defensively to be on the court. He has scored only what 2 points more than Teauge this series. Pathetic.

O'Brien

May 10th, 2010
8:20 pm

Najeh,

I think JJ is a byproduct of Woody’s lack of a system.

bigdave

May 10th, 2010
8:21 pm

how much does it cost to get in the lane?

jump shot.. jump shot.. jump shot..

Luke Cage

May 10th, 2010
8:21 pm

I know the Magic are the better team, but no way they are this much better than us, 1st of all we are afraid to drive to the basket and challenge him, if we continue to shoot jumpers this will be a 25+ blowout again

Melvin

May 10th, 2010
8:23 pm

These guys look like they are ready to go Fishing…

Luke Cage

May 10th, 2010
8:23 pm

Hawks aren’t makin Dwight play any Defense, his man is not a threat to score and we are just shooting long jumpshots, not to mention we don’t have a real PG running any kind of offense

STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)

May 10th, 2010
8:23 pm

I think Bibby has some photos of Woody doing something illegal. Thats the only thing I can think of. There is no way he should be starting or getting more mins than teague.