Atlanta Hawks: Next Day J.J.

Joe Johnson didn’t exactly take it back today. He was mad that fans booed the Hawks throughout their Game 3 loss to Orlando and afterward told reporters he “could care less if they showed up or not.”

Asked if he had any more thoughts on the topic after sleeping on it, J.J. said:

“It was tough. I don’t think we’ve heard the boos like that in the five years since I’ve been here. When I first got here, man, there were probably like 100 people out there in those seats. I won’t say everybody is a diehard, but they’ve shown us a lot of support over the years. In the heat of the battle you tend to say a lot of things. But it was tough, man. I was a little [ticked] off but I am over now.”

His comments have led to speculation that he sounds like a guy who doesn’t like it in Atlanta anymore and can’t wait to leave via free agency this summer. But Johnson said that’s taking it too far.

“Don’t read in between all of that,” he said. “I’ve enjoyed my years here. They’ve been great. We’ll see what happens Monday.”

That’s not a farewell speech, is it?

“No, not at all,” he said.

Some context on J.J.’s postgame comments. Normally he takes a while to get dressed before he faces reporters. But after Game 3 he was just out of the shower and immediately beckoned media when he made it to his stall. The question that led to the inflammatory quote was whether fans booing affected him or the team.

So does he care if fans show up for Game 4 tomorrow?

“If they come out and show us support, it would be great,” he said.

During a separate interview, Woody also touched on the fans and their expectations. The question was regarding Al Horford’s contention that the Hawks are a loose, fun-loving group that sometimes doesn’t know when it’s time to get serious (an observation I’ve made as well).

Woody agreed with that and then talked about how in the past he’s been viewed as a coach who is too demanding, how Hawks players don’t make negative headlines off the court, and then about the team’s chemistry:

“We do have a young group of good guys who do like each other. But when you face adversity, sometimes guys stray off and you start to point fingers. That ain’t always good in terms of your team. Sometimes you find out a lot about people when you do lose. We haven’t lost very many games this year, especially in this building. And people expect you to win. That’s a good thing. I think coming into the season, I made that very clear that expectations are going to be higher this year, and they should be. You should want it that way. People are going to expect much more than they’ve ever expected even though we’v4e never been an elite team, we are trying to get to that level. People sometimes expect too much, especially here in this arena where we’ve been pretty successful the last couple years. We’ve kind of spoiled our fans a little bit. Maybe that’s why they turned last night in terms of the boos and things of that nature because it was a lackluster game on our part.”

MC

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LOWNDES COUNTY DAWG

May 9th, 2010
4:26 pm

COME ON HAWKS GIVE US SOMETHING

CONFEDERATE DAWG

May 9th, 2010
4:27 pm

MAYBE LET JJ RIDE OUT AND WOODY AND TRY TO GET BOSH AND RUDY GAY?

LC

May 9th, 2010
4:32 pm

Good riddance to him and Woodson. Definite losers in life.

Grandad

May 9th, 2010
4:45 pm

Blog Monster ate my comment.
guess that tells you what I thought of Wooson’s quots.

Grandad

May 9th, 2010
4:45 pm

Grandad

May 9th, 2010
4:53 pm

Michael Cunningham:
I’m not exactly sure what I said that got me censored.
Maybe you could have the “Blog PoliceMan” shoot me an E-mail.

ATOMIC DAWG

May 9th, 2010
4:56 pm

Hawks need to get rid of JJ,Woodey,Smittey,Bibbey,and start all over again and get players that willl play as hard as HARFORD.

Gilley

May 9th, 2010
4:57 pm

Blah, Blah Blah, Just show up Monday and win a game so we can make an improvement from last season.

Astro Joe

May 9th, 2010
4:58 pm

@MC, could you please give fans (after Monday… like maybe Tuesday) a quick and dirty view of how much money the team has to spend on another team’s free agent? Hopefully, that will help the passionate fans understand the salary cap limitations as it relates to shopping for FAs this summer. As I understand it, we’re looking at something in ths single digit range (less than $10M) if Joe walks. I doubt that any elite FA takes a huge discount to play here.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 9th, 2010
4:59 pm

“People sometimes expect too much, especially here in this arena where we’ve been pretty successful the last couple years. We’ve kind of spoiled our fans a little bit. Maybe that’s why they turned last night in terms of the boos and things of that nature because it was a lackluster game on our part.” ”

LMAO

Woody, we booed because y’all DIDN’T EVEN TRY.

Go watch the tape of the Jazz-Lakers game last night. The Jazz have been just as successful of a home team (and just as mediocre of a road team) as the Hawks over the last few years. They, too, were facing a much more talented team. But they played hard, played smart, shared the ball, ran intelligent schemes, and they lost by 1 to a team with superior talent.

If your team played hard, played smart, shared the ball, ran intelligent schemes, and lost narrowly to the Magic, nobody would have booed. Instead, your team played half-azzed, played stupid, only passed when they had exhausted every possibility of scoring, ran the same idiotic schemes that led to losses against inferior teams all season, and got embarrassed on national television. Y’all deserved every boo y’all got.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 9th, 2010
5:01 pm

“Hopefully, that will help the passionate fans understand the salary cap limitations as it relates to shopping for FAs this summer. As I understand it, we’re looking at something in ths single digit range (less than $10M) if Joe walks.”

I don’t think the Hawks are going to let Joe walk without working out a sign-and-trade, particularly if a team like the Knicks still wants to throw max money at him. In the event of a sign-and-trade, the Hawks would be able to receive a max salary’s worth of players in return, irrespective of the cap number.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 9th, 2010
5:03 pm

““They deserve to be pissed off. The way we played, the fans deserve to be upset,” said Hawks forward Marvin Williams. “If your team lost by 30 in the playoffs, wouldn’t you be upset? If you get blown out like that, effort is always a factor.””

Say what you want about Marvin, but at least he has a grip on reality. Woody clearly doesn’t.

Grandad

May 9th, 2010
5:03 pm

[re-posted from last blog]

It got on there late.

*terrell – supposedly GS is going to move either;
S.Curry or Monta Ellis. Lack of chemistry in backcourt
being the reason. You may be right about Josh v Nellie.

Grandad
May 9th, 2010
2:46 pm

Co-sign Ken Strickland.

For all – Josh Childress is a restricted FA. We hold his rights.
We can re-sign or S & T. Greek economy would suggest he may look
to return to the NBA. New coach would enhance our ability to re-sign.
He is on record as being frustrated @ being locked in, thus becoming typecast as a bench player (6th man) on the Hawks [under Wdsn].
He naturally wanted to compete for a starting pos. As has been proven
over the course of time, there is no competition for positions or playing time under Wdsn. He locks in players for whatever reason and throws away the key, come hell or high water.

Now for my 1st sggestion of what I’m sure will be many:
*Mega *Blockbuster *Trade:
We Send:
*Josh Smith
*Marvin Williams
*Jeff Teague

We Get:
*Stephen Curry
*Andris Biedrins
*Corey Maggette

**Works on NBA trade machine
***We absorb Maggette’s contract
[offset by Curry's rookie contract & not having to deal with *Joe]
(*max contract)(same with CM’s age for GS)
gamble with Biedrins inj.,
we get future transcendent star [SC]to replace Joe.
Ship Bibby’s salary anywhere for a bag o’ doughnuts.

****GS is motivated by Josh Smith (age, talent, potential)
Marv (age, talent, potential) & Jeff (age, talent, potential)
All three fit GS model/system and Nelson surely realizes the
untapped potential. [once again/Wdsn]

St. Bernard

May 9th, 2010
5:05 pm

“We’ve kind of spoiled our fans a little bit.” As a long time Hawks fan, I don’t feel spoiled at all. I waited several years for this team to finally be put together, and now Woody can’t get them to play together. I don’t want to blow things up again. I remember when Bob Sura was our leading scorer. I just want a coach who can get these guys to play and maybe use rookies after we spend draft picks on them.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 9th, 2010
5:06 pm

Grandad, I think there are about 10 players in the league for whom the Warriors would trade Stephen Curry, and the Hawks don’t have any of them.

Grandad

May 9th, 2010
5:10 pm

Najeh:

Bravo, I was edited for saying some of the same things differently.

Redick, Lowry, Amir Johnson.
Three inexpensive pieces [FA's] utilized under ‘the’ right coach
could be valuable.
I guarantee Kyle Lowry has never quit in his life!

MannyT

May 9th, 2010
5:11 pm

@AJ, if Joe walks you get less than $10 mil to replace him. Have to wait for official cap # to be precise, but think in Marin’s pay range.

BWAF

Najeh Davenpoop

May 9th, 2010
5:13 pm

There is one part of Grandad’s proposed trade that I agree with — if the Hawks sign-and-trade Joe, they will almost certainly have to take back a bad contract to get the other team to agree.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 9th, 2010
5:15 pm

“Redick, Lowry, Amir Johnson.
Three inexpensive pieces [FA's] utilized under ‘the’ right coach
could be valuable.”

Don’t know about those players specifically, but I agree with the general idea that there are plenty of good young players in the NBA that could be valuable pieces on good teams if utilized correctly. But that alone is not going to solve this team’s issues.

Grandad

May 9th, 2010
5:17 pm

Najeh:

Your probably right.
I was citing a poll [some Oakland site]
which one to trade? [Ellis/Curry](chemistry issues)
Wishful dreaming perhaps?
I’m trying to figure out a way to get a young Alpa Dog
to go with Al, before said AD becomes untouchable.
Josh is @ the apex of his trade value.

Grandad

May 9th, 2010
5:19 pm

Najeh – correct. Hence the term, *pieces.

The Real Hawk

May 9th, 2010
5:24 pm

It’s all about coaching. Get the team prepared. Get them to come out with energy. Have a plan of attack. That’s not what we have have with Woody!

Najeh Davenpoop

May 9th, 2010
5:24 pm

Golden State would be much more receptive to trading Monta Ellis… problem is, I’m not sure he’s not just a better version of Jamal Crawford. In other words, he seems like a great fantasy player who can score points in bunches, but I’m skeptical as to whether that translates into wins.

Realsquawk

May 9th, 2010
5:28 pm

I know Mike woodson did not say he has spoiled us. Hey Mike we buy tickets to come see our hometown team compete and win. Expecting a competitive game on our home floor at the least is not and I repeat is not the sign of being spoiled.

You have been spoiled because the owners sided with you two years ago when they should have let Billy can two years ago.

How dare you man, you sound just like Joe Johnson. It’s funny that the younger guys Williams, Horford, and Josh are the ones who sound so much more professional these days.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 9th, 2010
5:34 pm

If the Hawks were to trade Joe, here’s an example of a realistic (in my opinion) trade possibility they might encounter that would have benefits for both sides:

Hawks trade: Joe Johnson (signed to a new max or near-max deal), Jeff Teague
Hornets trade: Darren Collison, Peja Stojakovic (contract expires next year), their lottery pick this year, and their first round pick in 2011

Hawks get a young, rising star point guard who can start immediately and push the tempo with the athletic front court, cap flexibility going forward so that they can re-sign Horford and be a player in next summer’s free agent market, and a sudden bounty of first-round picks that they can either use to trade up to aim for a guy like Evan Turner or Wesley Johnson, increase the depth on the roster as a whole, or trade for veteran role players who can fill needs immediately.

Hornets get a guy who, unlike Collison, can start with CP3 in their backcourt, take a lot of pressure off of CP3 to carry the team single-handedly, and get a much-needed infusion of talent on a team seriously lacking it outside the point guard position.

I’ll leave it to y’all to decide how realistic this is or how beneficial it may be to the Hawks (or the Hornets for that matter). I’m not pretending like this won’t be a step back next year — I think any scenario in which Joe leaves will end up being a step back, unless they send the world’s biggest blunt to Pat Riley and get him high enough to trade Dwyane Wade. I’m not even saying getting rid of Joe is the right idea, but if the Hawks look to part ways with Joe, I think they could do a lot worse than this.

Glennda Baker

May 9th, 2010
5:40 pm

I love the Hawks and I am devastated that our fans booed the team! I can understand Joe Johnson’s frustration. It sucks to go to the games and must be even harder to play with thousands of empty seats night after night. I also think it is absurd to expect winning teams when we have no support from the city or corporations headquartered here in Atlanta. Those same corporations that leave those club seats EMPTY, night after night! With that said the players and the owners need to treat the Hawks as an professional sports team and not a hobby. I will be there tomorrow, just as I was yesterday. I will cheer on the Hawks because they are my team, with or without thousands of empty seats, with or without Joe Johnson and with or without Mike Woodson!

jack johnson

May 9th, 2010
5:44 pm

josh smith just stadin’ around…that’s not like him…

jack johnson

May 9th, 2010
5:45 pm

standin’ that is

Paul Hackett

May 9th, 2010
5:49 pm

Some of us were in those 100 filled seats a few years ago. We saw a young, hungry team that competed as hard as it could every night, although they were often overmatched.

There is absolutely no excuse for a professional team to quit in the biggest game of the season. Yet, we have seen this cast of Hawks quit so many times the last 2 years that it has gotten sickening.

What used to be that tough, overmatched bunch seems to have turned into a spoiled, satisfied group of guys who are content with being losers. Josh or Joe have to go, as well as Woody. If we re-sign Joe, we need to trade Josh for a true center and make Al the center-piece of the franchise.

niremetal

May 9th, 2010
5:52 pm

Najeh,

If Sund could pull off that trade, he should get executive of the year. I said this awhile back – the reality of the situation is that JJ can’t afford to wait around while the Hawks haggle over the terms of potential S&T deals. If he waits on that, all the teams with cap room might look elsewhere and he’ll be stuck. That’s why you rarely see UFAs go to teams without the cap space to sign them outright. The odds of us getting more than a token second round pick and a big trade exception (which isn’t an asset to sneeze at, but doesn’t get us anything right away) are slim.

Grandad

May 9th, 2010
5:53 pm

Najeh:

I really like Collison alot.
But, is it within the rules (I don’t know) to send two players
in a S & T? I know you can recieve two.

Do you think Chi. would part with Noah under the same
circumstances if we took back *Hinrich?

I also think we should start planning (hopefully) for the return of
Childress to fortify roster. [@ least a S & T with him/Greek econ]
J.Chil. as with a player *(Lowry) would never quit.
Plus I’m certain he’s gained maturity living overseas.

Grandad

May 9th, 2010
5:59 pm

Niremetal:

That why you are the capologist, extraordinaire!
You have depth of knowledge on all that stuff.
No disrespect, Najeh. Myself, I’m the hack.

Jay B.

May 9th, 2010
6:07 pm

Surprisingly lost in all of the issues surrounding the Hawks this post-season has been their inability to guard a playmaking PG and/or force that playmaking PG to play defense. IMO, a new head coach, someone who can address the above scenarios and allowing Josh Smith to go somewhere that will allow him to play SF (which is what he really wants to do) are the three most important things for the Hawks to address.

Hire Houston assistant Coach Elston Turner as the new Head Coach and let him implement the offensive and defensive systems Rick Adelman has used in Sacramento and Houston, a team that overachieved without its best player and with a 6′6″ Center.

To solve problems 2 & 3, trade Josh Smith to Golden State for Monta Ellis and make both players happy.

Quick hits:
Chalk JJ’s comments up to his frustration over the team’s lack of discipline–oh, and of course you re-sign him.
Bringing Chidress back, to replace Maurice Evans, will improve the team’s unselfishness–a desperately needed commodity in team sports.
Jeff Teague and Randolph Morris should have played a lot more this year.
The Hawks have 3 7-footers on the roster, two of whom never play. They don’t necessarily need a center–they need to play the centers they have.

O'Brien

May 9th, 2010
6:13 pm

from Mark Bradley’s blog on ajc.com:

“The Hawks have ceased meshing. Both Johnson and Al Horford admitted as much after practice Sunday. Said Horford: “The chemistry is OK at times … At times it’s not so good. At times we mesh, but sometimes when things don’t go our way we crawl in our own little hole.”

I thought Chemistry and continuity was our strong point? Isnt that one of the reasons why Sund resigned Bibby, Marvin and ZaZa? This reinforces that changes have to be made.

I think Chills will opt out of his contract, and I think Mo Evans will opt out of his contract. I would love to see JJ resign with the Hawks, but I will not pay him $18 – $20 mil per year for 6 years. I would offer him 5 years, $75 or $80 mil.

If he says no, then maybe he will agree to a sign and trade. If he doesn’t, then Rick Sund gets paid to be creative and figure out a way to improve this team. Although except for the Crawford trade, his 2009 offseason has come back to haunt him (resigning Marvin, Bibby and ZaZa, who all regressed).

Najeh,

I like Collison, but I dont think N.O. would give up 2 draft picks.

Grandad,

Why would Chicago agree to a sign and trade, when they have the cap space to sign JJ outright? The sign and trade would allow JJ to make more money, but it would weaken the Bulls’ as a team.

I’m with nire. The Hawks may be looking at a trade exception. When Seattle (now OKC) traded Lewis to Orlando (sign and trade), they received a second round pick and a $9 mil trade exception. Lewis contract was for 6 years, $110 mil.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 9th, 2010
6:16 pm

For those of you watching the Cavs-Celtics game, now may be a good time to remind ourselves that Shelden Williams was picked 16 spots ahead of Rajon Rondo.

Blast

May 9th, 2010
6:26 pm

Rev up the engines! Get the line, tackle and bait! The Atlanta Hawks are going fishing on Monday!

Get the Brooms! The sweep is on!!!

For Woody to keep saying ‘I don’t know’ when asked why his team plays with no effort…..FIRE WOODY!!!!!!!

For Joe to call the fans out after another terrible playoff performance……..FIRE JOE JOHNSON!!!!!!

Patrick

May 9th, 2010
6:41 pm

Najeh–I don’t think your proposed trade makes that much sense for NO. I don’t think they are looking to add salary at this point. I think a more realistic trade is:

Al Horford
Jamal Crawford (his deal also expires in 2011)
2010 first round pick
2012 first round pick

for Chris Paul. Collison played well enough for NO that they might consider shipping Paul out. Horford is awesome obviously but the Hawks can’t have their two best players both be power forwards, it’s just not a good allocation of resources. Use the money you have under the cap (about 10 mil or so) to go after Salmons, who is probably could be had for 7-8 mil per. Do something with Childress’s rights to bring back another 2-guard to play on the bench. Then you have a starting five of Paul/Salmons/Williams/Smith/Pachulia. I know trading Horford is painful but if you could get a bona-fide franchise star back I think it’s worth it. I know I like that lineup more than the one we currently have, and unlike most trade proposals on this board, this one could actually happen.

Minor thing, you can’t trade back-to-back first round picks. So your proposed NO trade would have to involve 2010 and 2012 picks, at the minimum.

O'Brien

May 9th, 2010
6:56 pm

Patrick,

I dont think we should trade for CP3. His salary is too high considering his injury risks.

Najeh,

Rondo’s rookie year, he averaged 6, 4 and 4, while shooting 65% from the FT line, and 42% from the field. But the Celtics team was so bad, he got a chance to play through his mistakes.

If JJ resigns with the Hawks, I think we should trade Crawford. One big I would look at is Brad Miller. Although he is 34, he played in all 82 games for Chicago, averaging 9 and 5 in 24 minutes. Haywood is also available. However, I dont know what kind of money these guys are looking for.

Sautee

May 9th, 2010
6:57 pm

Yet another Truth-serum lie:

Here’s his post from last night:

basketball 101

May 8th, 2010
11:17 pm

“Ignorance has it membership.”

“Al was not “Voted” to the allstar team, He was a coach selection in a space that was available as a consolation after Shaq announced he would not play- howard 1.2 million votes shaq 800,000 vote and al was with the rest of the pack some where in the mid to low 200,000 votes.”

“Sorry bout that ..LOL”

OK, here’s the TRUTH:

OK, Here’s the TRUTH: http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/01/cleveland_cavaliers_mo_william_5.html

It’s an article from the Cleveland paper stating that Shaq was left off the team. He never “announced” that he wouldn’t play. He wasn’t voted to play.

Here’s what Shaq said: “It’s always been a bureaucratic process,” O’Neal said. “I’ve been fortunate to go 15 times, so from this point on in my career, I won’t complain if I don’t make it. It’s all about the vote and who the fans want to see get in. Sometimes it disappoints me to see guys campaigning for it. I don’t like that. I don’t like to see guys campaign. Whoever gets in I wish them well.”

Yet Truth-serum would have us believe that Shaq “announced” that he wouldn’t play, and that was a factor in the coaches decision. Wrong again.

More lies in a vain effort to diss Horford.

I guess there’s nothing he won’t stoop to.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 9th, 2010
6:59 pm

Bill Simmons just tweeted the link to this column of his that he wrote two years ago.

I’d love to see Teague get this opportunity.

thomas22

May 9th, 2010
7:05 pm

MC-

It may be a little late to recommend, but could you do us fans a favor and relay to the Hawks not to throw towels over their heads while on the bench when things are not going good- It sends a terrible non-verbal message……..

Thanks.

VenomSpitter

May 9th, 2010
7:07 pm

Many mock drafts have the Hawks picking Solomon Alabi

niremetal

May 9th, 2010
7:14 pm

Times like this make me wish I was in Big Ray’s lap!

Look at me, look at me Ray- I need, I NEED!

Harpie

May 9th, 2010
7:18 pm

Mike Woodson has been the ruination of this team! They could have been so good if they’d had a coach…

VenomSpitter

May 9th, 2010
7:23 pm

Is it me or does Bibby look creepy in the photo with him looking at Joe while Joe has a towel in his face LMAO

freshd

May 9th, 2010
7:31 pm

I dont KNOW why people are mad now with the comments from ISO IOE. He said the same thing when they played the BUCKS. Only then he said that the HAWKS dont play for the fans, they play for each OTHER. There were some bloggers on here who thought I was lying. I guess the truth hurts. JJ told you to kiss his AZZ twice, I hope you heard THIS TIME.

Grandad

May 9th, 2010
7:32 pm

O’B:

Chi. still cannot give him the Xtra yr.
Isn’t that the advantage of the ‘home team’.
S & T, he gets the Xtra yr.
Otherwise, why would he ever even consider a S & T.
Chi. wants to shed Hinrich’s contract in order to sign 2 max plyrs.

freshd

May 9th, 2010
7:48 pm

The HAWKS should name LARRY DREW SR. head coach, because he has coached all these guys in the summer leagues, and he was BILLY KNIGHTS choice to take over when wanted to fire WOODROW. TOO bad the SPIRIT ownership didnt listen.

Jat3

May 9th, 2010
7:56 pm

Here’s my 2 cents…get rid of JJ, bring in Gilbert Arenas. I think he may have learned his lesson and wants to play since being in trouble and we may not have to pay a lot for his contract. He can bring leadership on the floor and can shoot. Chris Bosh is available. Let’s get him in the middle position and have Al Horford play his true position at forward. Bibby is old. Let him go too. Starting 5: Horford, J. Smooth, Bosh, Crawford and Arenas.

Mike

May 9th, 2010
7:58 pm

How about instead of JJ not caring if fans show up tomorrow, how about the fans not caring if JJ shows up tomorrow.

YOU SUCK JOE JOHNSON!

BYE-BYE MR. POTATO HEAD. Good riddance.