Atlanta Hawks at Magic Game 2: J.J. is All-NBA but is he fading away?
J.J. can't find his groove.
ORLANDO–A reminder that J.J. is considered to be among the best players in the league, at least by media types: He was named to the All-NBA Third Team, the league announced today. It’s the first time for J.J. and the first time the Hawks have had a player selected since Dikembe in 97-98.
The timing is interesting since J.J. is slumping in the playoffs. He’s not the only one, of course, but he’s the lead dog. Before the playoffs opened, J.J. said he knew that as the Hawks’ veteran star he would take the heat if they don’t meet expectations or get the glory if they make a breakthrough. He said he embraced that role. Now, though, both J.J. and Woody seem to want to avoid putting the onus on him to deliver a big game when the Hawks need it most.
Looking at the other guys on the All-NBA teams, all of them except maybe Bogut would be looked at to be The Man for their team in trying times. J.J. needs help–more from fellow All-Star Horford, second-team All-Defense Smoove, Sixth Man of the Year Jamal and Woody. But if the Hawks’ All-NBA star doesn’t come through it’s hard to see them making this a series. It also could end up costing him in free agency.
– You have to be an Insider to read it, but ESPN.com’s John Hollinger makes a case that Iso-heavy offenses like the Hawks and Blazers run are good for the regular season, not so good for the playoffs.
Atlanta, as the league’s third-best offense, should at least be able to battle these defenses [Milwaukee and Orlando] to a draw. But even before Tuesday’s Game 1 implosion against Orlando, they were struggling. The Hawks can’t make shots, ranking just 14th out of 16 teams in postseason TS percentage. While they’ve still been able to generate second shots (they lead all teams in playoff Offensive Rebound Rate) and have been somewhat successful at avoiding turnovers, the net result put the Hawks 11th among the 16 playoff teams in postseason Offensive Efficiency.
So what is it? Perhaps the Hawks and Blazers have just had some bad games against some pretty good defenses. But between the two, we’ve built up a 31-game sample showing that something more nefarious might be at work.
Obviously, this has important implications for Atlanta’s Game 2 in Orlando on Thursday. Iso-Joe has had its moments; Game 4 of the 2008 Boston series, for instance, when Johnson single-handedly tore apart one of the best defensive teams in history. But in the aggregate, its failures have been far greater than its successes, and it’s notable that the most similar offensive team has faced similar troubles.
Is there something about iso-heavy offenses that makes them vulnerable in the playoffs? We can’t say it with certainty yet, but the case is building rapidly. The Hawks have three games left to show that Iso-Joe can be as effective in May as it is between November and April.
– In Game 1, the Hawks ran two isolation plays in the first quarter, one for Bibby (miss) and one for J.J. (a make, but it came just after a steal and Orlando’s defense hadn’t yet set). They ran four isos in that awful second quarter: Marvin (miss), Zaza (miss), J.J. (miss) and Jamal (miss). Of those six plays, all but two were long, challenged jump shots: Marvin got his layup blocked by Dwight Howard and Jamal missed on a runner near the end of the half.
– I covered Stan Van Gundy so this doesn’t surprise me. The guy is fanatical about not letting his team slip. And the Magic are aware of what happened against ‘Nique’s Celtics in ‘95. Still, I keep wondering what lesson there is to learn from a series they ended up winning, anyway.
– Slam Online ranks the Euroleague players and puts Childress at No. 5.
MC
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northcyde
May 6th, 2010
4:33 pm
The captain says he will be aggressive tonight. Don’t let them trap you JJ. Get that shot up.
northcyde
May 6th, 2010
4:45 pm
When you look at JJ’s hotspot data for the 2010 playoffs on nba.com ( http://nba.com/hotspots ) . . you’ll see where he’s struggling from shooting wise. He’s ice cold from 3 . . and he’s having problems getting the floater to drop.
But the so- called low percentage shot ( the 16 – 23 ft long midrange jumper ) seems to be falling for him at around a 50% FG clip. That’s why I say that he just needs to get his shots up. It’ll be nice to see him get hot from three tonight though. If he’s open, I want him shooting that ball.
JJ the faciliator in this series is not going to work, if other people aren’t making shots. Play with a chip on your shoulder tonight man. Shut these people up about you and this team in general.
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
4:48 pm
another good read MC
i_am_soulstar
May 6th, 2010
5:05 pm
nice one MC, i think JJ turns it on tonight. I just hope he doesn’t shoot us out of the game if his shot’s not flowing.
merbertmoover
May 6th, 2010
5:08 pm
cmon hawks fans! let’s get crazy tonite baby! it was just one game baby! if you a bandwagon fan, get off the donkey, you know what im sayin? cmon guys, get pumped, the magic got all the calls, we hit the wall, but hey, its a new day baby! lets get pumped up, send our fearless flappers some love, some good karma, know what im sayin? caaaaaaaaaaaw!!!!!!!!!
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
5:15 pm
exactly who plays what position..? these 3 (who need to play big) look about the same height and build..
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2010/04/flight-school/
terrell
May 6th, 2010
5:26 pm
Magic by 20+
Fire Woody!
hm
May 6th, 2010
5:26 pm
teage, mario, jj, josh, al
perfect blend of selfish/sharing
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
5:28 pm
Will we see any adjustments?
I doubt it.
Panther08
May 6th, 2010
5:30 pm
As I have told so many people, Joe Johnson is not enough to get it done. He doesn’t have what it takes to be a SUPERSTAR….Don’t get me wrong he is an ALL-STAR…but when it comes to taking over a game by himself…He can’t do it like a SUPERSTAR (Kobe, Dwayne Wade, and LeBron) would do. Personally, I would like to see the Hawks go after Dwayne Wade in Free Agency and perhaps make a trade for Amare Stoudemire or a legitimate Center ….Its time for ATL sports team to start PAYING to win a CHAMPIONSHIP!!!
JMar
May 6th, 2010
5:30 pm
This not brain surgery, definitely not to people who have been watching Hawks basketball for the last half decade. Yes JJ will fade at a pace that will far outweigh the contract the Hawks would have to give him. No iso-Joe will not work in the playoffs, against teams who a) have better defenses (which is why they’re in the playoffs), b) will play harder defense because it is the playoffs, and c) have pre-series and mid-series to make adjustments if necessary, not an off-day or two in the middle of the season. Not to mention that JJ, while great, is third team, not Kobe or Lebron or Wade or Carmelo.
Panther08
May 6th, 2010
5:31 pm
And Jeff Teague should be getting more playing time….SERIOUSLY!!!
Show me state
May 6th, 2010
5:33 pm
I still stand behind this team if they lose by 1 or 50……….dats wat true fans do…….Get game 2 ATL…Go Hawks!!!!
The Truth
May 6th, 2010
5:36 pm
This statement by John Hollinger
“The Hawks have three games left to show that Iso-Joe can be as effective in May as it is between November and April.”
Some people have suggested the Hawks keep doing what they do and make no changes because that is what they do. I say that’s asinine since the playoffs are all about making adjustments as needed to win. For example, if ISO-Joe isn’t working, then please go to a plan B and subsequently even more plans if needed.
MX: “BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY”
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
5:41 pm
Al Horford 790:
“Mike has to do a better job at getting us into something where we’re moving more..”
http://www.790thezone.com/instantreplay/Episodes.aspx?PID=1348
DHunt
May 6th, 2010
5:43 pm
hm, not a bad thought process at all. the more I look at it the more I like it. Bet you anything you never see that lineup while Woody is in charge. Mario is inactive tonight anyway.
JJ All NBA? Top 6 two guard in the league? OK. But maybe that says more about the state of the league than it does about JJ. Dude has looked unstoppable too many times to count, but he’s also looked pretty pedestrian on far too many occasions. The Hawks schizoid behavior can’t be traced directly JJ but he’s certainly a big part of it. Hawks fans need 12 more great games out of Joe. to have a chance at the NBA title Question is can we get that before we get 3 more bad ones.
Terrence
May 6th, 2010
5:48 pm
If the Hawks want to win tonight they have to do two things: 1. Rebound the basketball, offensively and defensively. 2. Foul Dwight Howard. 60% FG, 50% FT.
Ken Strickland
May 6th, 2010
5:50 pm
MICHAEL CUNNINGHAM-very nice article, and the article by ESPN’s John Hollinger was simply outstanding and totally on point. If GM RSund is sincere about judging Woodson’s ability to coach and lead the Hawks in the playoffs, he should be gone after the team is eliminated. His OFF system, philosophy and coaching ability simply aren’t sufficient for a Hawk team with serious playoff aspirations and talent.
I still can’t fathom the criticism of JJ, while giving Bibby what amounts to a free pass. JJ has to cover for Bibby’s lack of speed, quickness, athleticism, consistency, inability to penetrate, defend PG’s, or anyone else for that matter, create for others, and beat on the ball pressure, which forces him to give the ball up above the 3pt line.
How do you justify having one of the NBA’s quickest, fastest and most athletic teams in the NBA, and end up ranking 2nd in slowest OFF?
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
5:52 pm
Whatever you may say about his playoff performance (and his current struggles are Woody’s fault more than they are his own), the All-NBA teams reward regular season performance. There is no question Joe deserved his spot, between the numbers he put up, the role he played on this team, and the success of this team. Props to him.
Interesting article by Hollinger… like all things Hollinger, I’m a little skeptical of the numbers-heavy approach, but it’s an interesting idea anyway. I’m not sure I follow the logic behind teams necessarily getting better at defending the iso the more they see it though… it seems to me that am offense that simplistic wouldn’t take a whole lot of adjustment time. I think if anything it has more to do with a) playoff defenses being better than average in general, and b) the intensity level rising, resulting in a higher percentage of shots getting contested.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
5:56 pm
In other news, I watched Toy Story today (don’t ask me why, wasn’t my choice). That movie is confusing as hell — there’s a character named Woody and a Mr. Potato-Head, but somehow they are NOT the same person. Weird.
The Truth
May 6th, 2010
6:05 pm
Najeh
I know there is an analogy in your comment some where but it is more effective left unseen
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
May 6th, 2010
6:27 pm
In Game Adjustment to Mike Woodson = re-positioning his a$$ on the bench to a more comfortable sitting style.
JeJe
May 6th, 2010
6:29 pm
“If we can just be competitive here for four quarters and make it a game, win or lose,” he said. “Make it a game. And then you go home and handle your business at home, which we’ve done. Anything can happen, but it can’t just be lopsided like it was [Tuesday] night.”
-Woody
WTF is this MORON talking about?. We LOST to the Bucks at HOME, you dumb@$$. So you don’t even WANT to win tonight, but it’d be nice? Can someone please send this quote to the dumb@$$ ASG or NBA and get the moron FIRED?
FIRE WOODY
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
6:31 pm
opponents like this, we miss Josh Childress.. a slasher who’s game is suited for penetration. athletic but not finesse, at this point in his career would be getting 5-6 free throw attempts a game.
Derek
May 6th, 2010
6:37 pm
The biggest problem I see with the Hawks is the lack of a true leader. Let’s be honest Joe Johnson is not a leader. He will never be a leader. He was given the title because of his veteran status. Maybe, Mike Bibby should step up but I’m not he has the ability either. A true leader on the floor could help pull them through letdowns and lapses that they have.
Now, Woody! He is not the coach for the Hawks. I know that since he has been there the wins have increased each year but I think that’s solely because of the raw talent of the players. He does not have the ability to make adjustments after losses. You can watch a Hawks game and see them make the exact same mistakes as before. Atlanta needs a coach who is a very strong defensive coach and one who will install an offense that keeps the ball moving around the court. Way too many ISO’s. I will be rooting hard for the Hawks tonight because in spite of everything I LOVE THEM!
Hawks 4 lyfe
May 6th, 2010
6:39 pm
hawks need to be confident. they need to play smart. they have to be confident and find a way t controll dwight from getting into the point. he is going to but try to not let him get in so much. hawks have the ablity to win , i know it for sure. one game doesnt say anything. GO HAWKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Blast
May 6th, 2010
6:56 pm
For the 1st time EVER, I am almost scared to watch a Hawks basketball game. My recurring question is: Will Hawks lose by 5, 15, 25, 40 or 55 points?
JeJe
May 6th, 2010
7:08 pm
We’ll lose tonight by about 16-18 if not 28
sleepy
May 6th, 2010
7:10 pm
At this point I just want them to play and have fun . That team I saw in the first game I did not recognize and it made me sick. They need to lose the whatever is weighing them down and go out and just play basketball.
jgsbrids
May 6th, 2010
7:13 pm
funny you would say that Blast–my old nickname for this team was “hawks down by _____.” you post the number. still love them and looking for a miracle tonight!
cp
May 6th, 2010
7:13 pm
The fact that Woodrow acts like we don’t play road games and home games are the only thing that matters says a lot about him as a leader. If he had his way the Hawks would play all games at home….. He said one adjustment tonight is to let Bibby guard Nelson, enough said. Listening to the comments Duck and Woodrow made shows that neither really believe the Hawks can win… If tonights game goes as I think it will, I will be getting my free agent wish list together. Probably have to be young cheap guys seeing how they don’t have much to spend…. Honestly I would rather the Hawks lose trying something different rather than lose doing the same ol same ol. Throw some different line ups out there. Cant get any worse than it did the other night… Move JJ to the sf, Crawford at the 2 and let Teague play the one…. At the least we get a pg who can put pressure on somebody and sets up his teammates for easy shots. Crawford can guard Barnes since he isn’t much of an offensive threat, and put JJ on Vince. He cant be any worse on him than Duck.
northcyde
May 6th, 2010
7:35 pm
You guys still haven’t learned a thing about this team. When faced with the most adversity, this team has almost ALWAYS answered the challenge with a great defensive game. When people doubt this team the most, is when they rise up.
Don’t be surprised if the Hawks don’t have the lead in this game with under 5 minutes to go. And don’t be surprised if they play one of their top 5 defensive games of the year . . . or see a Hawk “supernova” by someone on offense.
That’s how this team has rolled the entire year.
niremetal
May 6th, 2010
7:36 pm
I would be pleasantly shocked if JJ steps it up offensively tonight. His repertoire of running jumpers and hesitation-dribble layups just isn’t available against D-12. So unless he has one of those rare nights where he is deadeye out to 30 feet, I don’t see how he turns it on against the Magic. Not dissimilar from the issue that Gary Payton usually had when he played against LA in Shaq’s prime.
northcyde
May 6th, 2010
7:42 pm
And Woody REEFUSES to let this team panic.
Blast
May 6th, 2010
7:44 pm
Yeah, Hawks have bounced back from adversities they probably had no business being in, in the first place, but not on the road against Orlando. Would have given them more chance if this game was at home.
All I ask is they come in and compete. Don’t play like deer in headlights.
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
7:48 pm
anyone hear coach Johnson talk about how he misses developing talent in practice, watching that talent grow, and in the game watching that talent reveal itself or something like that..
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
7:51 pm
Yea I heard it Bigdave. Man having a coach that can cultivate talent would be great.
The Truth
May 6th, 2010
7:52 pm
These are moments when the stars suppose to shine. We shall see…
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
7:59 pm
Avery Johnson
2 adjustments that need to be made:
better job defending the 3 by not helping as much on the penetration during pick and rolls.
ball movement, player movement.. ball move from weak side to strong side.
ELEMENTARY PRINCIPLES BY THE WAY.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:03 pm
I don’t know if I’m as enthusiastic about Avery Johnson as the Hawks’ next coach as some of y’all are, but he was right on the money with his pre-game analysis.
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
8:04 pm
lets get it!
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
8:05 pm
im not sold on Johnson, but @ least he has a clue..
sleepy
May 6th, 2010
8:05 pm
Hubie doing the game gives me a positive vibe about tonight
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:05 pm
I don’t know what’s going to happen tonight. Like I said before Game 1, I’m done predicting this crazy azz team. But I KNOW there is no NBA team that’s 43 points better than any other NBA team. I am hoping this is a close game.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:08 pm
Howard with a bucket in the post. DON’T PANIC. LET HIM HAVE THOSE.
WHY???
May 6th, 2010
8:08 pm
Contain the 3s
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:09 pm
1:30 into the game, and it looks over already.
WHY???
May 6th, 2010
8:09 pm
man we may need a timeout quickly
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
8:09 pm
It’s over already lol
WHY???
May 6th, 2010
8:10 pm
if bibby isn’t going to hit shots, put teague in to at least get in the way of nelson
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:10 pm
On the bright side, Hawks are actually moving the ball pretty well so far.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:11 pm
That should have been a FOUL!
WHY???
May 6th, 2010
8:11 pm
great finish, shoulda been an and 1
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
8:11 pm
AND1111111111111!
WHY???
May 6th, 2010
8:11 pm
cmon josh
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:12 pm
Defensively the Hawks look lost.
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
8:12 pm
The 3s begin lol
WHY???
May 6th, 2010
8:12 pm
just weather the 1st qtr storm
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
8:13 pm
it always seems like the other team has 2 extra players.
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
8:13 pm
Woodys Plan B is to try harder at Plan A
LOL
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
8:13 pm
Najeh its because they are lost.. its overly complicated.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:16 pm
nice pass
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:16 pm
Rashard Lewis posts up Bibby out of the timeout. Fantastic.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:16 pm
Movin screen on Dwight
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
8:17 pm
switching getting us killed again.
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
8:17 pm
LOL Bibby sucks bad
Blast
May 6th, 2010
8:17 pm
They keep leaving Lewis alone, and he continues to burn them.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:17 pm
Bibby shoulda jumped into him once he was in the air
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:17 pm
Another wide open 3 for Lewis. This is all being caused by Jameer Nelson doing whatever he wants to do. Bibby has GOT to go.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:18 pm
man these guys are n the Hawks head so much
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:18 pm
Thank you for driving and picking up the foul against the zone, Marvin.
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
8:19 pm
The hawks should just try to lose by less than 30 becuz they are not gonna win playing like this.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:19 pm
Put Teague in, its not like Bibby is scoring, he has the speed to play nelson
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:19 pm
Neither one of those drives — Marvin or Joe — was a particularly good one, but both were able to draw fouls. Good things happen when you go inside.
O'Brien
May 6th, 2010
8:19 pm
Its not all Woody’s fault. I just dont know if mentally, the players believe they can beat Orlando in Orlando (regardless of what they say)…
Hopefully they will find the intestinal fortitude to come out of Orlando with a win tonight.
Let’s go Hawks.
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
8:20 pm
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO@Bibby
sleepy
May 6th, 2010
8:20 pm
Al needs to come out right now if you are not gonna battle Dwight for that position he is gonna kill us . You cant let him post that deep in the lane FIGHT HIM !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:21 pm
Driving to the basket scared too worried about Howard, gotta go at him, make him foul you
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
8:22 pm
The hawks have a defeated look on their faces.
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
8:22 pm
every time we switch they get a wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide open shot..
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:22 pm
Joe is making a concerted effort to get inside and is actually getting half-decent looks at those floaters. He’s gotta start hitting those.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:22 pm
in Al’s defense, he just isnt big or strong enough against Dwight, hardly anyone is
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
8:22 pm
Man Zaza is just terrible
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:23 pm
Great Zsa Zsa
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:23 pm
Hubie is right. The Hawks can’t play scared of Howard like they did in Game 1. Defend him straight up like you would anyone else and tip your hat when he scores.
Nice flop Zaza.
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
8:23 pm
I was never for this before, but why not go big?
Zaza, Horford, Smith?
Maybe that’ll get Orlando to get a shooter off the floor. They’ll get Gortat into the lineup.
Sound dumb? Worth a shot…
Anythings worth a shot at this point.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:23 pm
He may be terrible, just need him to get another foul on Dwight
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
8:23 pm
all day long.
Old Hawk Fan
May 6th, 2010
8:23 pm
Za Za can’t guard my 9 mo old Grand Baby…………………..LMAO!
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:24 pm
THERE’s what I’m talking about. Josh on Rashard Lewis is a very good matchup for ATL. Lewis is not a great defender and Josh can take his azz every time. Run the offense through Josh, let him either take Lewis inside or set up a perimeter player with a pass. He’s probably the only Hawk with a good matchup in this series.
JSS
May 6th, 2010
8:24 pm
Rock the Rack J-Smoove
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:24 pm
DAMN, Marvin?
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
8:24 pm
Damn duck with an aggressive move
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
8:24 pm
THERE YOU GO MARVIN!
FLY DUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
8:24 pm
F IN RIGHT!!!!! LETS GO!
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:25 pm
As overmatched as they have looked at times, the Hawks are playing with heart. Only down 2 and taking the ball fearlessly to the hoop. Dwight looks scared to foul, and three different Hawks have taken advantage in these last few minutes.
Melvin
May 6th, 2010
8:25 pm
LOL, Marvin look like he was about to sprain his ankle on that dunk…
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
8:25 pm
At least thje hawks aren’t relying on jumpers
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:25 pm
So far so good
Old Hawk Fan
May 6th, 2010
8:25 pm
How will the Second Quarter go IS DA KEY! What will be the half time SCORE!
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
8:25 pm
they attack our deficiencies.. why not go @ theirs?
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
8:27 pm
beats sitting around shooting jumpers.. those jumpers arent going to be good looks unless you commit yourself to attacking inside. just like in football, you run the ball to set up the pass…
O'Brien
May 6th, 2010
8:27 pm
Wabe,
A better big lineup is ZaZa, Horford and Josh.
Hawks seemed to have weathered the first storm. Come on Hawks. Keep it coming…
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:27 pm
I haven’t forgotten that the Hawks were tied at 27 in the 2nd quarter yesterday, but I think they are playing a little smarter today than they did on Tuesday, at least on offense. They are definitely not playing as scared of Howard as they did in Game 1. Exploit the Josh-Lewis matchup, share the ball, drive inside, draw fouls, and don’t settle for jumpers. That’s how they have played for most of this quarter, and that’s the way they need to continue playing.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:27 pm
Man Patrick Ewing head is enormous
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:28 pm
Defense definitely has to pick up though. Even there, the Hawks are playing with heart, but they are getting burned by switching.
NUNNA!!
May 6th, 2010
8:28 pm
randmo is activated,but they deactivate mario west..
why?? this whole team needs to be dressed
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:28 pm
smart foul
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:29 pm
Bibby was lucky Pietrus didnt launch a 3, he was so far away
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:30 pm
Dang, this dude hittin FT’s
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:30 pm
Josh sets up Marvin with a wide open rhythm jumper, which Marvin bricks. Now THERE’S where you can say the Hawks just “need to knock down shots”. In that case the scheme worked fine, but the execution wasn’t there from Marvin.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:31 pm
Randmo should do a Tonya Harding on Dwight LOL
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:31 pm
With all the problems with Hack-a-Dwight, here’s the biggest one — Dwight’s making them.
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
8:31 pm
BS call
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:32 pm
Bad Call, cmon man
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:32 pm
You gotta be kidding me. The Hawks have a hard enough time hanging around without having to play 5-on-8.
JSS
May 6th, 2010
8:32 pm
Damn Cheesburger!!!
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:32 pm
Refs makin up for the bad calls he got last series
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:33 pm
Don’t disregard how on that last possession, even with it being a busted play, Josh was the willing passer making the assist for the 3-pointer by Joe.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:33 pm
CMON REF
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
8:33 pm
refs rigging
O'Brien
May 6th, 2010
8:33 pm
So far, this is the JJ we have been wating for. he will have to keep hitting those shots.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:33 pm
Give me a f-cking break. Refs as biased in this game as I’ve seen them this entire season in any Hawks game.
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
8:33 pm
3 fouls on Dwight.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:34 pm
this is BS
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
8:34 pm
good job Jason
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:34 pm
This is why i hat watchin Magic or Cavs play because Refs give them everything
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:34 pm
Howard is 6/8 from the free throw line.
sam'l
May 6th, 2010
8:35 pm
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Dwight Howard just foul Collins twice and get away with it?
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
May 6th, 2010
8:35 pm
refs ridin D12’s n#tz
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
8:35 pm
why are you even playing a guy who hasnt played in mths..?
JSS
May 6th, 2010
8:35 pm
Augh!!! REBOUND
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:35 pm
DRIVE TO THE BASKET, MAKE HIM FOUL YOU, IF HE BLOCKS IT SO BE IT, BUT TAKE IT TO HIS A$$
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
8:36 pm
I like our energy for the most part.
I’m sick already of Dwight Howard enjoying the benefit of star-struck refs. It’s disgusting.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:36 pm
Thanks for sticking up for the Hawks Hubie. I hate blaming the refs, always, but those were two offensive fouls as blatant as can be.
NUNNA!!
May 6th, 2010
8:36 pm
make dwight play defense,and go down low to randmo..out of the 3 reserves on the roster he has the best offensive talent
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:37 pm
Giving up offensive boards to Howard — understandable. Giving up offensive boards to Pietrus — inexcusable.
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
8:37 pm
Well this game is over Howard can’t be stopped
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:38 pm
Randmo just grab em, YOU WILL NOT GET A CALL LOL
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:38 pm
Wow, the Braves are getting no-hit AGAIN…
sam'l
May 6th, 2010
8:38 pm
And the tv announcers are calling him superman and talking about his fabulous quarter…….Hawks should protest any loss officially even if to call attention to the tape on this farce
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
8:39 pm
you playing a guy you havent developed all year and ask him to defend an all world center.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:39 pm
Not bad, only down by five despite Howard goin off (Thanks to Refs)
JSS
May 6th, 2010
8:39 pm
Way to REBOUND Duck!!! Could have been worse!
steven
May 6th, 2010
8:39 pm
playing Morris in this situation is about as dumb as you can get Woody. He hasn’t played all year and you expect him to guard Howard??
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
8:40 pm
ESPN crew has finally given up calling the refs on their BS, and is now just gushing over Howard.
Maybe somebody sent a script to them…probably came from Stern’s office….
“Guys, give it the f#ck up, we’re not going to call Howard for sh!t, so start calling him Superman. Come on, just go with this.”
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:40 pm
The chances that Dwight continues hitting his hook shots and free throws is pretty unlikely. Down by 5, scoring points with some level of regularity, and the Magic shooters are not really in rhythm yet — I actually like the game plan and the energy so far. Hawks big guys just need to do a better job keeping their bodies between Howard and the hoop, refs need to call a fair game, and they need to continue sharing the ball and getting it to Smoove in the post.
sleepy
May 6th, 2010
8:41 pm
We just need to keep playing because I dont think Howard can play the whole game at this pace. This is what we want the rest of the guys standing around watching Howard. We just need to gang rebound.
Aaron
May 6th, 2010
8:41 pm
The Hawks look pretty solid so far. They’re hanging tough even with the garbage officiating. Even Hubie Brown agreed that Howard should have two offensive fouls already, but what goes around comes around…
drmaryb
May 6th, 2010
8:41 pm
Hawks playing 5 on 8 – (the refs too!)
missSection120
May 6th, 2010
8:42 pm
Refs you suck! Three blind Mice! Three blind mice!
Wait but did mike just say Woodson was suprised that SVG get Dwight in the game? This is why I say FIRE WOODY! You are a dummy and too stupid to not know when to not say dumbness
News flash Woody that’s what coaches do the adjust, they are not cookie cutters you stink,
Wacka Flacka
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
8:42 pm
Woody’s not asking Morris to be successful in defending Howard. He’s trying to save fouls. Believe me, Morris’ fouls don’t cost us a thing unless Dwight hits every free throw. We have to save Zaza, Al, and even The Big Cheeseburger for the duration of the game.
sleepy
May 6th, 2010
8:42 pm
I wouldve played Joe smith over Randmo especially if you are going to double anyway . I wouldve told Joe dont let him get a shot up the old vet wouldve known what to do
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:43 pm
LOL @ WOODY
steven
May 6th, 2010
8:43 pm
2 fouls on Dwight!
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:43 pm
Horford takes it up strong and gets fouled to start the quarter. Nice move. 2 on Howard. That’s what I’m talking about — be fearless!
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:43 pm
Time to make a run
NUNNA!!
May 6th, 2010
8:44 pm
BEST MOVE BY WOODY ALL SEASON..AS MUCH AS I GET ON HIM..HE HAS RANDMO AT CENTER AND HORFORD AT THE PF..WATCH AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS..THIS WILL WORK!!
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
8:44 pm
Thing is, as much as we’re complaining about Dwight getting away with murder, this is probably why the score is as close as it is. If we concentrated on Dwight with early double teams, they would have shot us out of the gym by now. Dwight can’t and won’t do it all game, especially if we can draw fouls on him on the other end.
I’ll take the BS for now, even though it’s plain BS, as long as we can stay close and make a move at the right time.
steven
May 6th, 2010
8:44 pm
why morris in the game when dwight is out??
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:44 pm
Joe Smith doesn’t have the bulk to handle Howard. I think that’s probably Woody’s rationale. You are no better off guarding Dwight with Joe Smith than you are with Smoove.
Randolph, please save your fouls for Dwight.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:44 pm
LOL @ Randmo, poor guy
sam'l
May 6th, 2010
8:45 pm
Howard actually has four fouls to start the second quarter………
O'Brien
May 6th, 2010
8:45 pm
I wanted Woody to speak to the media before the series (like Phil Jackson does), to call attention to the fact that Howard gets away with calls.
I hope he mentions it in his post game. Who cares about the fine
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:45 pm
Big AL
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:45 pm
“Thing is, as much as we’re complaining about Dwight getting away with murder, this is probably why the score is as close as it is. If we concentrated on Dwight with early double teams, they would have shot us out of the gym by now. Dwight can’t and won’t do it all game, especially if we can draw fouls on him on the other end. ”
Exactly.
Horford with the throw down! Keep going inside!
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
8:45 pm
Al with the strong finish
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
8:45 pm
Whoooeee! Grown man move by Big Al!
northcyde
May 6th, 2010
8:45 pm
At some point, the Hawks are going to have no choice but to double Howard. At this rate, all of our Bigs will have 4 fouls between them.
Offensively, the Hawks are doing what they have to do JJ has 8, but the rest of the team is active on the boards and are at least making offensive contributions. We could use Crawford to heat up a little.
Howard on the bench. Now let’s see what we can do.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:45 pm
Al is leading by example
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
8:45 pm
Dont back down Hawks. Punk Orl bench
Old Hawk Fan
May 6th, 2010
8:46 pm
When Kennedy was The NBA Commish……………………fouls were called on the person making the foul regardless whether they were supposedly stars or not. Davis Stern became Commish and the no foul call on the STARS became LAW in the worst officated pro sports in This COUNTRY.
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
8:46 pm
“watch this quick move left.. then right back right… whhhheeeew”
gotta love Hubie
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:46 pm
Bad shot by Joe (TAKE IT INSIDE, THERE’S NO HOWARD ON THE FLOOR DAMMIT), but he gets bailed out by the late whistle. Nice to know the questionable calls go both ways.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:46 pm
Sup with the Braves
NUNNA!!
May 6th, 2010
8:46 pm
HORFORD WILL TAKE THIS CHUMP ALL DAY!!
Old Hawk Fan
May 6th, 2010
8:46 pm
Correction………………Davis Stern
Melvin
May 6th, 2010
8:46 pm
About time the Hawks get some calls..
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
8:46 pm
Joe is 3rd team NBA and getting the respect.
Old Hawk Fan
May 6th, 2010
8:47 pm
David Stern
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
8:47 pm
This is the time the Hawks have to make a run with Howard out.
sleepy
May 6th, 2010
8:47 pm
thank you im loving the energy
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:47 pm
Has a MLB team been No Hit twice in a month?
Melvin
May 6th, 2010
8:47 pm
Lets go Hawks….
steven
May 6th, 2010
8:47 pm
omg we are winning!!!
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:47 pm
Without Howard on the floor, an executing Hawks team has a clear advantage. They have to make their run now, and they are doing it.
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
8:48 pm
Oh yeah! Make Stan Van Puff-a-Lot think! Make him take that timeout and then make him panic his way into going back to Dwight. Then start the cycle all over again.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:48 pm
Damn Shame Braves LOL
Aaron
May 6th, 2010
8:48 pm
I’m a bit surprised to say this, but it looks like Randolph Morris is actually giving some quality minutes on defense.
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
8:48 pm
Najeh ,
Stan saw it coming, and he knows how these guys can be when they get on a good run. Heh!
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:49 pm
Big 3 by Crawford after Joe dribbled into heavy traffic out of the isolation. Northcyde will look at that play and say iso works because the Hawks got a 3 after Joe was doubled; I say against a good defensive team like Orlando, that will result in a turnover or a contested shot a lot more often than it results in a made 3.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:49 pm
LETS GO HAWKS
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
8:50 pm
I think Morris can give quality minutes as long as he’s not in an obvious mismatch. Offensively, I’d let him have the ball on the block or at the top of the free throw line. Dude can score.
northcyde
May 6th, 2010
8:50 pm
Staying aggressive and doing what they have to do offensively. Crawford makes his first 2 shots. JJ getting foul calls for once.
This team is focused right now. That’s what they’ve doing all year.
steven
May 6th, 2010
8:50 pm
hopefully SVG will pull a woody and keep dwight out for the rest of the half with 2 fouls
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
8:51 pm
Big 3 by Crawford after Joe dribbled into heavy traffic out of the isolation. Northcyde will look at that play and say iso works because the Hawks got a 3 after Joe was doubled; I say against a good defensive team like Orlando, that will result in a turnover or a contested shot a lot more often than it results in a made 3.
Hee, hee, hee….I’d put money on that one…
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
8:51 pm
But does he have the sense of humor to see that one…
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:52 pm
It says a lot about your GM when a 20-year-old rookie is CLEARLY your best player.
But enough about baseball.
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
8:52 pm
Build that lead Hawks
Aaron
May 6th, 2010
8:52 pm
Ron Jeremy must be nervous. He’s putting Dwight back in, already…
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:52 pm
Great run by Randmo, tip my hat to dude coming in under these circumstances
Melvin
May 6th, 2010
8:53 pm
Magic is a different team without Dwight….Now lets get that 3rd foul on him…
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
8:53 pm
Uh Oh Howard is back
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:53 pm
Crawford looks confident. Without being able to get the ball inside to Howard and play off the double team, the Magic are just a team that takes bad, contested shots with limited ball movement. Kinda like the Hawks, actually…
sleepy
May 6th, 2010
8:53 pm
They are over the limit with 8 minutes to go . Stay aggressive and ATTACK !!!!!!!!!!
Tom
May 6th, 2010
8:53 pm
ATTACK THE BASKET!!!
steven
May 6th, 2010
8:53 pm
well it was wishful thinking
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:53 pm
Amazing when Al can play the 4 how he just balls
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
8:53 pm
Ok, if we’re going to have Morris out there, either give him the ball on the block (or at the free throw line) a couple of times, as long as he’s one-on-one. He can contribute offensively from both positions.
If not, then have him setting hard screens, not that half-a$$ed stuff he’s doing out there. There is no point in playing 4-on-5.
Mel
May 6th, 2010
8:53 pm
Ron Jeremy ahaha
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:53 pm
Gotta attack Howard now. Draw the 3rd foul on him soon and you change the whole tenor of this game.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:54 pm
Dont take him out, let him play thru this
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:54 pm
David Ross singles to left… at least it’s not a no-no.
steven
May 6th, 2010
8:54 pm
whew we draw a break there
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:54 pm
Sweet
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:55 pm
Thank you ref. Still only one foul on Horford.
northcyde
May 6th, 2010
8:55 pm
And they’re making their FTs . . . that’s critical on the road.
Morris not doing much, but he’s at least buying time for us at the center spot.
JSS
May 6th, 2010
8:55 pm
OK, this generally danger time… Let’s see if the Hawks weather this and really put the peddle down!
Old Hawk Fan
May 6th, 2010
8:55 pm
Braves getting No HIT AGAIN!
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:55 pm
Sekou tweets: “Hawks in the bonus right now. I’ll know how serious they are about winning this game based on how they attack the rim from now until h’ftime”".
Truth.
Mel
May 6th, 2010
8:55 pm
i hate when Mo shoots anywhere but that corner
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:56 pm
HAWKS ATTACK THE BASKET, YOUR IN THE BONUS
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:56 pm
As hot as Crawford may have been, that is a bad shot when you are trying to maintain your momentum and draw the 3rd foul on Howard. DRIVE THE BALL INSIDE!
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
8:56 pm
Oh, I’m loving this, even if it’s a little helter-skelter.
We have the Magic scrambling, and the only thing they can count on right now is Dwight going up for rebounds.
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
8:56 pm
Why call a TO when Nelson was heart it was 5 on 4 basically. Woody is dumb.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
8:56 pm
Braves dodged another bullet
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
8:57 pm
heart=hurt
Melvin
May 6th, 2010
8:57 pm
Lets get back to driving the ball to the goal. Howard will not be aggressive with 2 fouls. If he does, than we may be able to draw the 3rd on him…
NUNNA!!
May 6th, 2010
8:57 pm
YOU GOT TO LEAVE RANDMO IN THE GAME..
he is blocking howard off and he is open under the hoop too!!
woody needs to get that 3rd foul on howard,NOW!!
GIVE IT LOW TO RANDMO
steven
May 6th, 2010
8:58 pm
i hope woody took that timeout to tell his team to drive the ball to the hoop!!
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
8:58 pm
The fact that the Hawks are outrebounding Orlando just shows that they really came to play today. Now they just have to play smart. I’m telling you, drawing that 3rd foul on Howard now will completely change the game. He will sit the rest of this half, giving the Hawks a chance to extend this lead, and he will be playing somewhat timid coming out of halftime, giving the Hawks an opportunity to put the Magic on their heels even more. Come on Hawks. You are in a favorable position; take advantage.
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
8:59 pm
I know I’m about 7 minutes of actual game play ahead, but I’m already thinking of how the Magic will try to counter what we’re doing (assuming we keep doing this and go into the half with a lead).
Will we continue to attack and move the ball (and players) around? Or will we lapse into a jump-shooting trance and start playing bad on both ends.
It will be critical to keep closing out on shooters (they really do NOT shoot well if we’re staying on top of them) and keep playing Howard tough, but one-on-one.
sam'l
May 6th, 2010
8:59 pm
Hawks actually think now they might win…..Keep that thought!
northcyde
May 6th, 2010
8:59 pm
Stat of the game: 0 turnovers for the Hawks so far
Old Hawk Fan
May 6th, 2010
9:00 pm
Braves got the bases loaded with One Out. JHey will be pinch hitting.As Nats change Pitchihers.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:00 pm
Good, strong take by Al! No foul, but that’s good — make Howard defend you right now.
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
9:00 pm
keep working Al..
go back to Al..
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
9:00 pm
Magic are average team when 3’s aint fallin
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:00 pm
Heh… Hawks getting really unlucky with these made free throws by Howard.
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
9:00 pm
Without Howard, Magic are only 7 of 18 or so from the field.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:01 pm
Horford is BALLIN’ BABY…
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
9:01 pm
Al is playin well
NUNNA!!
May 6th, 2010
9:01 pm
should have left randmo in the game..now its all on horford..nice shot but he is not attacking as fast as he was against the magic PF’S
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
9:01 pm
Al is really doing it tonight. We can’t forget about him in the second half.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:01 pm
Hawks are playing great… now pick up that 3rd foul! Come on!
steven
May 6th, 2010
9:01 pm
good job mo..cost us 5 points there
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
9:01 pm
get Bibby in..
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
9:02 pm
cmon play the 3
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
9:02 pm
we dont know what we doing offensively..
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:02 pm
Crawford got a little lucky there — it was the right call since Nelson’s feet were moving, but he did throw his arm out a little too, and refs usually call those offensive fouls. Gotta be a little more careful.
Old Hawk Fan
May 6th, 2010
9:03 pm
JC needs to take Nelson inside and hawks should clear the lane out.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:03 pm
Hawks changing up their defense, showing a little zone here…
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
9:04 pm
I hate it when people say the Magic are a great rebounding team.
WRONG.
Take Dwight out of the game, and they don’t do squat on the boards. Not even 7-footer Gortat, Ryan Anderson, or any of the others. They all feed off of Dwight.
steven
May 6th, 2010
9:04 pm
josh you are such a moron sometimes
sleepy
May 6th, 2010
9:04 pm
what is Josh doing ?
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
9:04 pm
Josh needs to stop the dribbling
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
9:04 pm
lol.
chaos. get a PG in a game!
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:04 pm
Come on Josh, forget about the bad call, keep your head in the game…
steven
May 6th, 2010
9:04 pm
braves tie it up!
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:04 pm
Jason Heyward is a f-cking MONSTER.
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
9:04 pm
Pietrus got away with that elbow punch.
Aaron
May 6th, 2010
9:04 pm
Amazing, Pietrus gets away with running over Josh, and then Mo gets called for a petty hand check?
Old Hawk Fan
May 6th, 2010
9:05 pm
Josh give the ball UP! Stupid turn over!!!!!!!!!!!!
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
9:05 pm
if you arent reaching to get Joe in the game.. why reach Mo.. do you actually think you are going to pick Nelson?
steven
May 6th, 2010
9:05 pm
we are self-destructing
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
9:05 pm
Thank God Bibby has sat for awhile
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
9:05 pm
chaos.
Old Hawk Fan
May 6th, 2010
9:05 pm
Guards gotta come back and get the damn ball.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:05 pm
Bill Simmons tweets: “”Zaza Pachulia’s head is simply awesome to see in person. That thing should have space shuttles orbiting around it.”"
LMAO
Blast
May 6th, 2010
9:05 pm
Costly turnover right there.
steven
May 6th, 2010
9:06 pm
YESS!!!
Aaron
May 6th, 2010
9:06 pm
Yes, 3 fouls on Dwight!
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
9:06 pm
THANKYOU!
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
9:06 pm
YES 3
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:06 pm
3rd foul on Dwight! GREAT help defense by our #2 DPOY!
sleepy
May 6th, 2010
9:06 pm
Josh is basically out of control out there offensively
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
9:06 pm
Josh taking them for the team.
O'Brien
May 6th, 2010
9:06 pm
Howard with the foul. Hawks need to make another run…
steven
May 6th, 2010
9:06 pm
actually that was a smart turnover by Horford
Old Hawk Fan
May 6th, 2010
9:06 pm
Howard should have five fouls on him! If the refs make the calls earlier.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
9:06 pm
SEE YA
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
9:06 pm
base line movement..
O'Brien
May 6th, 2010
9:07 pm
Heyward with a base hit and 2 RBI. Braves and Nats tied.
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
9:07 pm
please get Bibby in the game.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
9:07 pm
Man drive the ball to the basket
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:07 pm
Hawks are closing out on shooters better in this game than they have this entire postseason.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
9:08 pm
BIG AL is Ballin
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:08 pm
There are 3 minutes left in this half of no Howard. This is the time for the Hawks to make a run and make this a double digit game.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:08 pm
Marvin HAS to make that open rhythm jumper…
steven
May 6th, 2010
9:08 pm
come on MARVIN
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
9:08 pm
Go to the basket, you guys are killin me
Mel
May 6th, 2010
9:09 pm
HORFORD!!!!
JSS
May 6th, 2010
9:09 pm
Some transition defense please!
Melvin
May 6th, 2010
9:09 pm
Hawks made their run and took the lead with Bibby on the bench. Hmmmm
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:09 pm
Al Horford is playing like the team leader the Hawks need him to be. What a quarter for him. Maybe the best all-around quarter he’s played all year.
Melvin
May 6th, 2010
9:09 pm
Big AL is killing them….
JSS
May 6th, 2010
9:10 pm
Easy Josh, no cheap fouls before halftime
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
9:10 pm
Al is the true leader of this team.
He has the most composure
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:11 pm
The telling stat for me in this game is the Hawks being 13/13 from the free throw line. That is fearlessness. No Hack-a-Dwight in the middle of the first quarter today. They are playing fearless and relentless trying to take it inside and get fouled, and it’s working. This is how the Hawks win games, not by standing around on the perimeter taking contested shots.
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
9:11 pm
Al Horford, wow.
northcyde
May 6th, 2010
9:12 pm
Amazing . . . they’re making open shots . . except Marvin.
Horford looks great tonight.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:12 pm
Somewhere, Ryan Cameron has been yelling out “BOSS” all game.
Mel
May 6th, 2010
9:12 pm
AL is a leader, Joe is naturally quiet, I’ll take that 1-2 punch… Gota stay focus focus focus ( Nba commercial voice lol)
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:13 pm
3 on Gortat too. Good strong move again by the Hawks.
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
9:13 pm
Al needs to be paid more money than Joe honestly.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
9:14 pm
LT is trying to hang out with OJ
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:14 pm
Just don’t let the Magic get a 3 right now. That’s the only thing that will really swing the momentum their way before halftime.
steven
May 6th, 2010
9:14 pm
marvin with a dumb foul
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
9:15 pm
Rashard Lewis has got to be the most overpayed NBA player
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
9:15 pm
Good ball movement
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:16 pm
Hawks straight up out-worked the Magic on that possession for the 3.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
9:16 pm
Lovin AL’s play
JSS
May 6th, 2010
9:16 pm
DAGGER!!!
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:16 pm
Horford owned Bass on that possession. Anyone questioning whether the Hawks can win with him at center — watch what has happened in this game so far.
sam'l
May 6th, 2010
9:17 pm
Enter your comments here
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
9:17 pm
Horford’s proven why he’s the closest thing to a leader in this 1st half…
His play has lifted this team through this half.
4 quarters guys, please, 4 quarters.
Shock the world.
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
9:17 pm
Now the Magic might make a run to begin the 2nd half. The hawks just need to withstand that.
Melvin
May 6th, 2010
9:17 pm
Stand Ovation for the Hawks 1st half play….
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:17 pm
Let me say this too — you gotta give Woody a lot of credit for this game so far. This is a complete, 180-degree turnaround in scheme, mentality, and execution from Game 1, and that doesn’t happen without the coach getting a significant portion of the credit.
sam'l
May 6th, 2010
9:17 pm
I’m proud of these guys……
Melvin
May 6th, 2010
9:18 pm
Hawks took the lead with Bibby on the bench…..Hmmmmmm
NUNNA!!
May 6th, 2010
9:18 pm
DID U HEAR DAT??
Al said last game he didn’t have his legs..
Mel
May 6th, 2010
9:19 pm
need 4 qtrs outa these guys…….remember thanksgiving?
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
9:19 pm
great half…
let Dwight eat, clamp down on those shooters.
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
9:19 pm
Please guys, 4 quarters, and regardless of a W/L, I’ll be happy.
sam'l
May 6th, 2010
9:19 pm
Question here…..3 plays ago……Orlando is given the ball to take it out behind their basket…….The player drops the ball against the back stop and it dribbles away, He then is given the ball again, I think by his own player…and takes it out.
Shouldn’t that be hawks ball under Magic basket?
Go Hawks!!.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:20 pm
Woody needs to make sure the Hawks are not patting themselves on the back for this half. There’s a second half to be played, and as great as an 8-point halftime lead is, that takes 40 seconds to get erased against a Magic team firing on all cylinders. The Hawks have to come out with the same intensity after halftime and try to pick up foul #4 on Howard, who will no doubt be trying to avoid picking up that foul.
Like I said, that 3rd foul completely changed the game. If Howard is on the floor with 2 fouls the rest of that 2nd half, chances are the Magic create a big play or 2 and come back and tie it or take the lead; either way, chances are they would have the momentum. Right now all the momentum is on the Hawks’ side.
Sautee
May 6th, 2010
9:20 pm
Najeh,
Co-sign your 9:17
Mel
May 6th, 2010
9:21 pm
if you had who would u trade Al or Josh??
Blast
May 6th, 2010
9:21 pm
While I’ve been impressed by the Hawks tonight, but we have seen it before where they led Orlando in the half and wilted in the second. Hope they stick to what is working.
3 fouls each on Dwight and Gortat is huge, with really no major Hawks player in foul trouble.
Joe needs to play off the ball more, so he can hit wide open three’s like he got to end the half.
Love the lineup to end the half. I would stick with it to start the 2nd, and bring in Bibby later.
Can Hawks win this game after game 1’s monumental beatdown? Despite the horrendous calls by NBA refs?
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:21 pm
“Hawks took the lead with Bibby on the bench…..Hmmmmmm”
You’re not the only one to notice, dude. Without Bibby waving Nelson to the hoop like a damn 3rd base coach, a huge part of the Magic offense gets taken away. With no Howard to draw double teams and no Nelson penetrating at will, the Magic are just a jump shooting team like the Hawks on a bad day.
O'Brien
May 6th, 2010
9:21 pm
Al was surprised when Woody took him out of the first game with 1 foul, so he wasn’t warmed up. He is balling tonight.
I gave Woody a lot of crap for game 1, so I must say “Great job Woody and the Hawks”. Lets keep it going for the second half.
We need this win to build some momentum going home.
missSection120
May 6th, 2010
9:22 pm
Ok guys now stay focus, keep moving the ball and drive drive drive. Good D Marvin! Be ready for the run! Be ready for the run!
sleepy
May 6th, 2010
9:22 pm
The first 4-5 minutes of the 3rd will be key weve got to keep attacking and try and pick up a quick foul on Dwight and I think its quite obvious the magic suck when you make them put the ball on the floor
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
9:23 pm
Wabe ..
i want the win..
MAD-DONNA
May 6th, 2010
9:23 pm
The only thing worse than watching Woody coaching, is watching NBA refereeing!
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:24 pm
“if you had who would u trade Al or Josh??”
I’d rather roll with those two at PF and C than trade one of them for size sacrificing skill. Unless you get an All-Star caliber center in return — and let’s face it, how many of those really exist? — I don’t think you sacrifice either All-Star caliber forward, even if one is playing out of position.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:25 pm
Here’s how you know +/- is a slightly screwy stat: Randolph Morris is +10 in this game in 6 minutes.
JOE JOHNSON REALIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 6th, 2010
9:27 pm
Let’s be real here. REALLY REAL!!!!!!!! Joe Johnson is the most overted player EVER! I am as big an atlanta hawks fan as anyone in the universe.I’ve watched every game since the TBS days.Joe loses so many games for us it’s unreal we offered him 65 mil. extension. 1.)He must dribbles in circles and turns it over more times than i can count. 2) one of the worst decision makers ever 3.) he is one of the most unclutch players ever 4.)I make better decisions on the pick and roll and I have one leg and a.d.d!
Le4t him go , start Crawfrord and sign 2 or 3 players. ( a back-up 2 guard , and a power foward/center and heres a crazy idea, a solid point guard!
NUNNA!!
May 6th, 2010
9:28 pm
northcyde
May 6th, 2010
9:12 pm
Amazing . . . they’re making open shots . . except Marvin
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True..He needs to drive more and attack the basket,but we all know that he has no plays ran for him,so,he should attack,attack,and attack when he has the ball..
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
9:17 pm
Horford’s proven why he’s the closest thing to a leader in this 1st half…
His play has lifted this team through this half.
4 quarters guys, please, 4 quarters.
Shock the world.
———————————————————————————————–
DITTO!!
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:17 pm
Let me say this too — you gotta give Woody a lot of credit for this game so far. This is a complete, 180-degree turnaround in scheme, mentality, and execution from Game 1, and that doesn’t happen without the coach getting a significant portion of the credit.
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they had randmo playing center and horford playing power forward,the 1st time he has done so all freaking year..and took da magics BASS to skool for real..
then after howard came back into the game randmo had him cleared out under the hoop,and howard got only 1 rebound on 7 missed shots between atl and orlando..plus,if u ask me,when horford was moved to the 5 that sparked him and he was flashing his moves like da all star he is..
just imagine if we had a decent center and moved horford to the number 5 position..
SICK..SICK..SICK…
i got a great feeling about this game tonite,but,we all know that woody never goes back to what works for him in the 1st half and he will try to implement joe,crawford and bibbs into the offense in the 2nd half..he needs to stick with what is working,but i know he won’t
Blast
May 6th, 2010
9:29 pm
Fans, please don’t pull a ‘Nique’ on me by predicting a win before the clock reads 0.00. Please don’t do that. This is the Hawks we’re talking about. Jerkyll and Hyde, remember?
Let’s wait till the fat lady sings in all her glory!
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:29 pm
If a double play counted as two runs instead of two outs, the Braves would have at least five championships.
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
9:29 pm
no doubt bigdave,
But, I won’t forget what happened in game 2. And, just based on the expectations I had going into this game, I can’t complain if we came out a bit short.
A bit short I can live with.
45 points short…that’s another story.
Just wanna see these guys compete.
But, yeah, I do want the win as bad as you.
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
9:30 pm
what happened in game 1*
Mel
May 6th, 2010
9:31 pm
jj realist
he came to play tonite too…
steven
May 6th, 2010
9:31 pm
so does bibby start to open up the half?
northcyde
May 6th, 2010
9:31 pm
Pretty much a dream 1st half offensively. Made all of our FTs, . . . hit most of our wide open looks from midrange and from 3 . . and played solid defense when Howard was out of the game.
Excellent game by Horford so far. JJ doing what he has to do on both ends. And the rest of the guys are active and making plays.
Keep doing what you’re doing Hawks, and you’ll steal Game 2, and have Philips in a frenzy on Saturday evening.
JSS
May 6th, 2010
9:32 pm
@Joe Johnson Realist
See Danny Manning…
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:32 pm
“they had randmo playing center and horford playing power forward,the 1st time he has done so all freaking year..and took da magics BASS to skool for real..
then after howard came back into the game randmo had him cleared out under the hoop,and howard got only 1 rebound on 7 missed shots between atl and orlando..plus,if u ask me,when horford was moved to the 5 that sparked him and he was flashing his moves like da all star he is..”
I’m all for bringing in a so-called “true center” who can come into the game off the bench and allow Horford to slide to the 4 to spark him offensively. As you point out, he is a much better offensive player at the 4. Someone like the Celtics’ Kendrick Perkins to come in and play 20 minutes off the bench at center would be ideal for this team. I’m just not willing to sacrifice either Horford or Smoove to make that happen — they are too talented and neither one is as good as they can be yet. I’m still a fan of those two starting at PF and C.
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
9:33 pm
If these guys learned anything, it better have been that without Dwight Howard, they’re really not “outmatched”. Therefore….
ATTACK SUPERMAN EARLY – GET THAT 4TH FOUL ASAP!
Win by any means necessary, I don’t care if we gotta flop to get that 4th on Dwight, someone take one for the team if you gotta. Just get that guy on the bench.
drmaryb
May 6th, 2010
9:34 pm
Trade Al or Josh? Neither – DUMMIE!
NUNNA!!
May 6th, 2010
9:35 pm
I told u,woody won’t change a thing..
he will try to force bibbs,and joe into the offense even if they are not having a good game..
joe is doing well but he is not the aggressive joe tonite..he is taking his shots when he is open and passing to the open player..
we need 80 second half points..i’d go for 40 per..
and don’t stop attacking..
but,the magic will open with howard down low and if the refs won’t call fouls on him in the early 3rd and he is dunking and getting great low post position,WATCH OUT!!!!
Mel
May 6th, 2010
9:36 pm
is Woody still talking about last game?
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
9:37 pm
Gotta keep Carter out of the picture.
Sautee
May 6th, 2010
9:38 pm
Najeh,
Co-sign, again.
steven
May 6th, 2010
9:38 pm
not a good start. that’s why you don’t double howard!
JSS
May 6th, 2010
9:39 pm
Come on, exceed their intensity!!!
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
9:39 pm
lol @ dwight
Mel
May 6th, 2010
9:40 pm
blessing?
sleepy
May 6th, 2010
9:40 pm
good stuff stop the hugs and kisses and start hard fouling
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
9:40 pm
Damn, Horford’s made 2 boneheaded mistakes today, but both have gotten Howard out the game…
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
9:40 pm
Uh Oh Howard is out drive it
sleepy
May 6th, 2010
9:40 pm
josh smith get yo head in the game
steven
May 6th, 2010
9:40 pm
I was about to say that was a bad foul by Al. Just let him score. But hey, I think it’s a great foul now!
steven
May 6th, 2010
9:40 pm
get bibby out of there!
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
9:41 pm
Get Bibby out now!
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
9:41 pm
Josh is pissing me off. Al need sto slap him.
sleepy
May 6th, 2010
9:41 pm
we need a timeout and he needs to sit Josh for a few minutes
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:41 pm
Hawks are coming out flat in the 2nd half and not taking advantage of Howard’s absence. This is not looking good.
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
9:41 pm
crappy.
sleepy
May 6th, 2010
9:41 pm
BENCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!! JOSH
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
9:41 pm
Timeout.
Mel
May 6th, 2010
9:42 pm
wtf josh!!
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
9:42 pm
BENCH JOSH’S AZZ NOW
steven
May 6th, 2010
9:42 pm
who didn’t see this coming
JSS
May 6th, 2010
9:42 pm
Dang it Smoove!!! Get in the game!!!
Old Hawk Fan
May 6th, 2010
9:42 pm
Hubie…………Josh Smith is walking back on defense.
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
9:42 pm
I TOLD YA’LL JOSH IS AN IDIOT
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
9:42 pm
Hubie calling out Josh.
Melvin
May 6th, 2010
9:42 pm
WTF is Josh doing. Hubie is all over him and rightful so…
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
9:42 pm
Cmon Josh, should be more mature than that
Old Hawk Fan
May 6th, 2010
9:42 pm
Josh is POUTING!
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
9:43 pm
WHere are all the Josh defenders to defend Josh now?
sleepy
May 6th, 2010
9:43 pm
Win or lose I seriously would have to think about trading Josh at this point .
Old Hawk Fan
May 6th, 2010
9:43 pm
Bring HUBIE back as the coach for Next Season!
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
9:43 pm
You can’t have half-hearted people out there right now.
J.Smith + Mike Bibby, either get your heads in the game or…
“GET – THE – F – OUT”
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
9:43 pm
this is nothing new from Josh.. he always does that..
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
9:43 pm
Please can we sit Bibby, we made a huge run when he was on the bench
What!
May 6th, 2010
9:44 pm
OMG WTF is Josh Smith DOING!!!!!!!! M-Fing EMBARRASMENT TO THE CITY OF ATLANTA!!!!!!
UGH!!!!
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
9:44 pm
exactly what did Bibby do..?
NUNNA!!
May 6th, 2010
9:44 pm
BIBBY WAS THE ONLY ONE TALKING TO JOSH..
LETS FACE IT YALL,WOODY IS SCARED OF HIM
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
9:45 pm
Again I was right all along. Josh just sulks when the goin gets tough. But ya’ll were telling me to shutup basically.
sam'l
May 6th, 2010
9:45 pm
maybe josh is hurt…….
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
9:46 pm
Now the Hawks are choking lol. Typical.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:46 pm
That is about the worst possible start the Hawks could have possibly had, and that’s without Howard on the floor.
steven
May 6th, 2010
9:46 pm
game over
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
9:46 pm
Shut up Spitter, lol
Blast
May 6th, 2010
9:47 pm
Take Bibby out! Bring in Jamal!
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
9:47 pm
Josh aint hurt
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:47 pm
Well defended by Joe, Jameer just hit a tough shot.
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
9:47 pm
LOL @ Luke Cage u know I’m right.
Melvin
May 6th, 2010
9:47 pm
Hawks wasted an opportunity with Dwight out the game….SMDH
JOE JOHNSON REALIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 6th, 2010
9:47 pm
Where is that $85 mil. dollar supertstar Joe “plays like my” Johnson. You want the cash, DO SOMETHING, ANYTHI(NG! Honestley, Nelson is better than Joe! Argue that and u r a moron!
sleepy
May 6th, 2010
9:47 pm
We knew they were gona make a run but damn if you didnt know any better you would think Josh has money bet on this game .
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:48 pm
Iso-Joe results in a bailout foul call, on a shot that had little to no chance of going in. Hawks have been getting whistles in these last couple of quarters.
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
9:48 pm
Spot shooters should be getting spot time…
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
9:48 pm
Man, Howard took 50 steps
JOE JOHNSON REALIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 6th, 2010
9:48 pm
And he’s 5 foot tall
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:49 pm
See, in that situation, I don’t think Smoove needs to come over and help. Howard was in a position to throw up a lefty hook. What are the chances he makes that shot? Not very high. Let him take it, and if it goes in you can live with it, but chances are he won’t.
steven
May 6th, 2010
9:49 pm
Joe hasn’t made any of those iso shots
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
9:49 pm
move the ball man
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
9:50 pm
Uh Oh Iso Joe lol with a brick
JOE JOHNSON REALIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 6th, 2010
9:50 pm
Get rid of Joe and that mongoloid Woodsen!
JSS
May 6th, 2010
9:50 pm
Bring in Collins!!!
Melvin
May 6th, 2010
9:50 pm
Take Bibby out. He’s doing nothing…
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
9:50 pm
Man, make a rotational adjustment Woody!
We’re not getting buckets!
Get Jamal in there!
O'Brien
May 6th, 2010
9:50 pm
Bibby is the reason why Horford got that foul. All he did was reach for the ball as Nelson drove by
sleepy
May 6th, 2010
9:50 pm
I agree Najeh but I dont even think mentally Smoove is in the building
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:50 pm
Iso-Joe results in a brick. No ball movement, and no communication (Smoove and Horford both went over to set the same screen). On the defensive end, 3 fouls on Horford now. Any momentum the Hawks built up in the 2nd quarter has been erased.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
9:50 pm
Bibby’s out, time to make a run
JSS
May 6th, 2010
9:50 pm
Too late, DANG IT!!!
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
9:51 pm
Finally, took long enough to get Horford a look.
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
9:51 pm
Bibby and Josh need to ride the bench for the rest of the game.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:51 pm
Horford makes a shot, but even that is not a good possession. Every time down it’s been jumper, jumper, jumper. Where is the first half ball movement?
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:51 pm
There we go. Good take by Smoove, even if there’s no foul call.
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
9:51 pm
Nelson = beast
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
May 6th, 2010
9:51 pm
I thought Flo-Joe Johnson was gonna get more aggressive….take that sh!t strong to the hoop man and phuck those gay floaters and settling for jumpers after fancy dribbling.
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
9:52 pm
Josh really contributed to our slow second half start.
This is how you’ll know that Horford’s leadership has reached it’s peak: When he smacks Josh in the back of the head for pouting and not getting back on “D”
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
9:52 pm
Nelson is killin the Hawks
steven
May 6th, 2010
9:52 pm
Jameer Nelson taking over with Crawford on the bench…
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
9:52 pm
looks a whole lot better when we not settling.
can we see Jeff Teague?
b-ball
May 6th, 2010
9:52 pm
good job hawks. You blew a 8 point lead, and are being outscored 2-12 in the 3rd qtr. Good way to come home to the atl with a 2-0 deficit.
JOE JOHNSON REALIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 6th, 2010
9:52 pm
Joe cant do that move , and he has 9 inches on nelson ! I,m going to go throw up!
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
9:52 pm
Hawks will win this game
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:53 pm
Nice post up by Crawford… he’s got 6 inches on Nelson, and he drew the foul. Good recognition.
O'Brien
May 6th, 2010
9:53 pm
Being burned by the switching. And Nelson is taking over.
Thats why we need a PG who can defend other PGs
JSS
May 6th, 2010
9:54 pm
We need defensive stops and REBOUNDS!!!
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
9:54 pm
Nelson’s relentless getting to the rim.
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
9:54 pm
There we go! Drive that ball!
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
9:54 pm
Bibby playing better d on the bench than in the game..
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:54 pm
A bad couple of possessions for the Magic, taking a contested 3 without swinging the ball around, and then missing a wide open 3. Either one would have changed the momentum big time.
steven
May 6th, 2010
9:55 pm
make up call
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
9:55 pm
whateva Vince
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
9:55 pm
And, you guys are whining because?
Howard should technically already be on the bench.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:55 pm
Glad that foul call went the Hawks’ way, although the Magic have no room to complain; that foul should have been on Rashard Lewis even before Smoove banged into Carter.
sleepy
May 6th, 2010
9:56 pm
We always say we need a pg but what good would that do no one FREAKING CUTS TO THE BASKET WITH THE BALLHANDLER
They are stepping out hard on those screens and helping hard and no one is moving
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
9:56 pm
JJ’s a 2 gaurd. But he’s making Rashard work in the post?
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:56 pm
As strong as Joe is, he’s just not big enough to guard Rashard Lewis. That was a strong move by a guy typically looked at as a finesse player.
JSS
May 6th, 2010
9:56 pm
Even JS is hitting Throws!!!
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
9:56 pm
Man whateva, Lewis game is garbage
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
9:57 pm
Don’t know Najeh, I’ve seen JJ pick up Lewis a couple times today, and I’m surprised he’s been able to make him work a bit.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
9:58 pm
LOL@ Barnes with those ugly tatooes
sleepy
May 6th, 2010
9:58 pm
u see what i mean now if we run that play 10 straight times Josh may only cut 4 times while guys like Boozer or Amare cut everytime
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
9:58 pm
Not a favorable matchup for us, but not as lopsided as you’d think with your 2 gaurd checking a PF.
I know Lewis is a stretch-PF, but still, JJ’s held his ground.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:58 pm
After that early lull, the Hawks look like they have their heads back in the game, Josh Smith in particular. Movement towards the basket + ball movement = another foul call and more FT attempts upcoming for the Hawks.
It’s amazing how different this team has played with the corpse of Bibby on the floor vs. Crawford.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
9:58 pm
Bibby is -18, Crawford is +18. That is astounding.
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
9:58 pm
Wabe,
ive seen Joe give Dirk hell guarding the post.
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
9:59 pm
One reason why we’re competing: we stopped acting like we’re scared. Don’t believe me?
We’re driving to the hole and we’re outrebounding them. That’s not playing scared.
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
10:00 pm
lol bigdave.
Funny, and good point.
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
10:00 pm
“Bibby is -18, Crawford is +18. That is astounding.”
and the problem with this is it even shrinks our bench even more with Jamal having to play extended mins. too bad we didnt draft a back up pg.
NUNNA!!
May 6th, 2010
10:01 pm
Telling u all,bring randmo back in,and move horford back to the PF..
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
10:02 pm
Keep making them baby!
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
10:02 pm
Beautiful look in transition
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
10:02 pm
Duck is getting to the line. Yes
drmaryb
May 6th, 2010
10:02 pm
Josh hittn’ FT’s!
Mel
May 6th, 2010
10:02 pm
damn Marvin crank it on him!
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
10:02 pm
Marv shoulda flopped hard to draw a flagrant
sleepy
May 6th, 2010
10:03 pm
now that they are lulled into thinking we wont run we should push it hard off misses
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
10:03 pm
agree with NUNNA
Mel
May 6th, 2010
10:03 pm
i dont think Bibby should see the floor anymore
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
10:03 pm
Seriously JJ?
And that’s a clear-path.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
10:04 pm
Cmon Joe LOL
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
10:04 pm
Aw come ON, JOE! You just KILLED our momentum!
JSS
May 6th, 2010
10:04 pm
Come on FINISH STRONG!!!
steven
May 6th, 2010
10:04 pm
Joe has done nothin tonight…again
sleepy
May 6th, 2010
10:04 pm
Thats a huge wasted possession right there from Joe .
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
10:04 pm
Uh Oh here comes Zaza. Will he set a pick right or will he get called 4 a foul?
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
10:05 pm
if the game stays close down the stretch i say go to Hack-A-Dwight
steven
May 6th, 2010
10:05 pm
you suck joe
Melvin
May 6th, 2010
10:05 pm
WTF is Joe doing…
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
10:05 pm
Dammit.
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
10:05 pm
Joe pass the damn ball u ballhog
sleepy
May 6th, 2010
10:05 pm
they are killin us cmon
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
10:05 pm
JOE cmon man
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
10:05 pm
Josh almost bailed Iso-Joe out again, but he got ripped at the last second.
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
10:05 pm
Even Hubie knows Joe is a ballhog
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
10:06 pm
You see what happens Joe when you pass
JSS
May 6th, 2010
10:06 pm
Thank you Crawford!!!
Melvin
May 6th, 2010
10:06 pm
Barnes got away with a walk on that break away dunk….
Old Hawks Fan
May 6th, 2010
10:06 pm
WTF Josh is doing out there!
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
10:07 pm
Alright, we need JJ to get back on track and start bringin’ it.
Right now he’s “givin’ ” it…
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
10:07 pm
may have to rethink Hack-A-Dwight LOL
JOE JOHNSON REALIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 6th, 2010
10:07 pm
JOE IS THE WORST! PLEASE ADMITT IT! PLEEEAASSSEE!!!!!!!!!!!!
sleepy
May 6th, 2010
10:07 pm
We are wasting sooo many possessions I dont even know who else could coach this current group .
JOE JOHNSON REALIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 6th, 2010
10:07 pm
HUBIE BROWN!
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
10:07 pm
GREAT CALL
steven
May 6th, 2010
10:08 pm
we stop iso-joe and we start scoring again…amazing
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
10:08 pm
Carter’s getting going…
JSS
May 6th, 2010
10:08 pm
Stop trading baskets, hit the gas pedal!
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
10:08 pm
Hah! That shot actually looked good all the way.
Problem is Vinsanity is heating up. Doesn’t help that we’re not defending him. Um…Joe?
Melvin
May 6th, 2010
10:09 pm
Take Joe out…
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
10:09 pm
JJ’s p!ssing me off
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
10:09 pm
Stop holdin the damn ball
JOE JOHNSON REALIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 6th, 2010
10:09 pm
Just listen to him, he says what were all thinking!
Melvin
May 6th, 2010
10:09 pm
Joe look tired…Take him out to start the 4th…
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
10:09 pm
WTF is he holding the damn ball for 20 seconds, and then dumps it to Josh to work on the block with 4 left on the shotclock?
Get your head in the game JJ.
sleepy
May 6th, 2010
10:09 pm
now why we didnt we put the ball back in crawfords hands instead we go to Mr Butterfingers ?
another wasted possession ……
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
10:09 pm
Another turnover. Guess who held the ball too much/long again?
Old Hawks Fan
May 6th, 2010
10:10 pm
TOO MUCH DRIBBLING……………………..see how they(Magic) pass the ball
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
10:10 pm
BANG!!!!!!!!!!!
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
10:10 pm
WTF is he holding the damn ball for 20 seconds, and then dumps it to Josh to work on the block with 4 left on the shotclock?
Get your head in the game JJ.
Truth.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
10:10 pm
Love our chances, keep working thru Al
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
10:10 pm
No way.
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
10:10 pm
Man Joe has wasted sooooooooooooooooooo many possessions.
Damn Nelson banked it in.
steven
May 6th, 2010
10:10 pm
ouch
Melvin
May 6th, 2010
10:10 pm
Dammit… What a shot by Nelson.
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
10:11 pm
I’m glad that wasn’t the end of the game. I would have been soooo pissed.
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
May 6th, 2010
10:11 pm
Good Game…we can walk out of here with a win though if we keep our composure. Lets get some ball movement.
Old Hawks Fan
May 6th, 2010
10:11 pm
5 Foot Guard is killing JC and JJ…………………….West needs to come in and play him.
Melvin
May 6th, 2010
10:11 pm
Too many turnovers by the Hawks in the 3rd qtr…
Melvin
May 6th, 2010
10:11 pm
Too many turnovers by the Hawks in the 3rd qtr…
Blast
May 6th, 2010
10:11 pm
Nelson with the buzzer beating three!
Now we have a ball game!
Can Hawks prevail?????
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
10:11 pm
If we lose this game it’s becuz of Joe.
I wonder wat Joe BALLHOG Johnson does in the 4th?
JSS
May 6th, 2010
10:12 pm
Outscored 35 to 26!
Mel
May 6th, 2010
10:12 pm
Hey, tell me who expected this score at the end of 3?
Joe looks tired, shoulda gave he a 2 min breather.. We’re in this!!
We can steal this one.. with another quarter like the 2nd
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
10:12 pm
This game is ours for the taking, need a fast start and put the pressure on Magic, they have yet to be tested in awhile, pass and share the ball, no ISO’s, don’t worry bout fouls now its the 4th qtr and your playing for your season, leave it all on the floor tonight
PS – Keep Bibby on the bench
Melvin
May 6th, 2010
10:13 pm
It would have been nice to have a backup PG to matchup with their PG…
Mel
May 6th, 2010
10:13 pm
Venom
Josh also had 3 turnovers in that quarter that turned into 3 buckets..
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
10:13 pm
wish we knew what we were doing on every offensive possession. wish we would keep the ball and player movement. clearly we can score when those things happen. i guess its not the personnel.
Old Hawks Fan
May 6th, 2010
10:13 pm
Small PG or guards …………………kill the Hawks………………….Nat Robinson………………..J Nelson. Hawks guards did not pressure Nelson on that buzzer beater..he got the ball cross mid court TOO EASY!
NUNNA!!
May 6th, 2010
10:13 pm
WE GAVE NELSON TOO MUCH SPACE AND NO PRESSURE FOR THAT LAST SHOT..
WHERE IS RANDMO AND HORFORD..THATS WHEN WE WERE DOING OUR BEST ATTACKING OF THE BASKET
South ga boy in the atl
May 6th, 2010
10:14 pm
That shot may doom us. I’m so sick of Joe. Dribble dribble dribble. Wait for the def to adjust. Wait around until 4 sec on the shot clock. Give me Jamal. Make f—in decision Joe. Do something. He is the most indecisive basketball player I have ever seen.
O'Brien
May 6th, 2010
10:14 pm
Will Woody play JJ for the entire fourth (he has played 32 mins already)?
I dont know, but I wonder if JJ is starting to get tired, because he does not look like he did early in the game.
Hawks need to keep passing the ball in the fourth, and no stagnation please.
Mel
May 6th, 2010
10:14 pm
we will take this one
What!
May 6th, 2010
10:14 pm
JOSH AND BIBBY AVE THIS GAME AWAY EARLY IN THE THIRD. NO WAY DOES THE MAGIC LET US STICK AROUND IN THE 4TH. GAME OVER.
STUPID SMOOVE AND HIS POUTING, STUPID JJ TAKING 20 SECONDS OFF THE CLOCK B4 INITIATING THE OFFENSE, STUPID BIBBY AND HIS INABILITY TO PLAY DEFENSE OR DRIBBLE THE BASKETBALL.
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
10:14 pm
This is our chance to steal one.
Right there for the taking Hawks.
Lets get this!
Aaron
May 6th, 2010
10:15 pm
The Hawks are in pretty good shape right now. crawford is feeling it, Al was able to get a nice rest on the bench without the Hawks losing too much momentum. Marvin is playing better than usual, and, the Hawks are only down by 1. All they need to do is outscore the Magic by 2 in the final quarter to win this. Also, Ron Jeremy may end up playing Dwight the entire 4th quarter, which means Dwight may end up being too fatigued for those big dunks up and over defenders…
sam'l
May 6th, 2010
10:15 pm
Hawks could be up by 8…….
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
10:15 pm
i hope depth doesnt prove costly.
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
10:16 pm
Would’ve liked to see JJ get some rest.
I don’t think he’s gonna get another breather tonight.
Mel
May 6th, 2010
10:16 pm
why isnt randMo in instead of zaza
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
10:16 pm
Damn, Smith making those jumpers.
Critical.
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
10:17 pm
I did not want to see that shot from Josh. However….
South ga boy in the atl
May 6th, 2010
10:17 pm
If Woody keeps the ball away from Joe and just use him as the kick out for a 3 and let Jamal ha dle the damn ball we might have a chance.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
10:17 pm
no help D
O'Brien
May 6th, 2010
10:17 pm
Bad shot by JJ. No passes at all.
Good D on the other end
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
10:17 pm
Man get Joe outta there
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
10:17 pm
Stop being scared of Dwight
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
10:18 pm
Commmon Horford, gotta finish that strong.
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
10:18 pm
Joe is pressing.
Aaron
May 6th, 2010
10:18 pm
This really is an impressive game from the Hawks, even Josh is hitting jumpers.
Old Hawks Fan
May 6th, 2010
10:18 pm
DUNK the ball Hoford! 4 0n ONE!
Melvin
May 6th, 2010
10:18 pm
I’m glad to see Bibby with that towel over his head b/c he need to hide after his poor play tonight…
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
10:19 pm
Hubie callin out WOODY
steven
May 6th, 2010
10:19 pm
no more doubling please
Old Hawks Fan
May 6th, 2010
10:19 pm
Stop Joining The Parachute Club Fellows.
JSS
May 6th, 2010
10:19 pm
Can’t believe I’m saying, good move Woody, let Joe sit!
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
10:20 pm
I will give Woody credit for 1 thing. Not playing Bibby that much.
steven
May 6th, 2010
10:20 pm
lol nice motivational speech there woody
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
10:20 pm
Air France has been grounded
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
10:20 pm
need more offense on the floor..
Old Hawks Fan
May 6th, 2010
10:20 pm
Whoever White Chocolate is guarding………………he should be getting ABUSE by Hawks GuARDS!
JSS
May 6th, 2010
10:20 pm
Good TO, tell them to not settle for jumpers!
Old Hawks Fan
May 6th, 2010
10:22 pm
JJ is TOO DAMN SOFT TO BE 6′8 …….6′9. He plays smaller than JNelson……WTF!
South ga boy in the atl
May 6th, 2010
10:22 pm
Gotta have Al go at supergirl again and try to get that 4th foul. Ron Jeremy will pannick and take him out if we can get a quick one coming out of this timeout
Old Hawks Fan
May 6th, 2010
10:22 pm
LMAO @South ga
JOE JOHNSON REALIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 6th, 2010
10:22 pm
joe johnson or john salmons. who you got?
Aaron
May 6th, 2010
10:22 pm
Is anyone else surprised that Marvin is getting more minutes that teacher’s pet (Bibby) tonight?
Aaron
May 6th, 2010
10:23 pm
correction: more minutes than *
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
10:23 pm
You know, other than going 2 for 6 from the field, Marvin is having a pretty good game. 9 rebounds makes all the difference.
steven
May 6th, 2010
10:25 pm
gotta make that Jamal
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
10:25 pm
Dang, he hittin em
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
10:25 pm
Gotta be careful here.
Can’t let this one slip away.
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
10:25 pm
Gotta hit those shots, or we negate our offensive rebounding efforts.
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
May 6th, 2010
10:25 pm
ORL has KILLED us the past few seasons…and just CRUSHED us by 43 in Game 1. It appeared as if all the Hawks could do is just pray to win 1 game at home somehow.
Amazingly, we have come back and played neck and neck with them in game 2 up to this point. NO EXCUSES…have to steal this one. They need to go all out to win this. There’s no room and no excuses for those same silly mistakes that have cost us 4th quarters/games for some time now.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
10:26 pm
Don’t panic Hawks
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
May 6th, 2010
10:26 pm
ORL the aggressor …come on now..smh
JSS
May 6th, 2010
10:26 pm
Just like that SNAP
steven
May 6th, 2010
10:26 pm
Josh you just cost us the game you f$$cukin pansy
Melvin
May 6th, 2010
10:27 pm
Marvin should have dunk that or at least try to dunk it…
Old Hawks Fan
May 6th, 2010
10:27 pm
High Pocket goes to SOFT going to the basket!
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
10:27 pm
Plenty of time left, regroup, start going thru AL
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
10:27 pm
The Hawks better keep it 2gether.
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
10:27 pm
I wonder if going away from Al Horford has hurt us any, huh?
Duhhhhhhhhhh!
lewis
May 6th, 2010
10:27 pm
fire josh smith
What!
May 6th, 2010
10:27 pm
JOSH SMITH STRIKES AGAIN!!!!!
WE SET OURSELVES UP FOR THIS. YOU SHOULDA KNOWN THEY WOULD TAKE OVER IN THE 4TH GAME OVER!!!!!
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
10:28 pm
Couldn’t afford the 4th quarter lull.
It seems that might be the demise of our chances.
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
10:28 pm
Another bad 4th qtr
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
10:28 pm
legs.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
10:28 pm
Man everything is droppin for these guys
steven
May 6th, 2010
10:28 pm
josh’s 0 IQ costs us way more than he gives to us
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
May 6th, 2010
10:28 pm
Same crap
drmaryb
May 6th, 2010
10:28 pm
Not losing by 43 is NOT a win!
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
10:28 pm
It’s a wrap.
Old Hawks Fan
May 6th, 2010
10:28 pm
Hawks 1 and OUT>>>>>>>>>>>>..One and OUT
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
10:28 pm
Gotta get stops
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
10:28 pm
Game Over
Melvin
May 6th, 2010
10:28 pm
Here we go with an offensive drought….
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
10:28 pm
Josh Smith is playing stupid lazy.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
10:29 pm
DAMN, they on a damn run
Old Hawks Fan
May 6th, 2010
10:29 pm
14 to 4 rub by Orlando this quarter!
Aaron
May 6th, 2010
10:29 pm
Here comes the 3 ball attack. Hawks need to go on a counter-run quick.
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
10:29 pm
Danger zone. This is where it all comes unhinged. Sooner or later a team that’s been shooting 55% all game long will hurt you.
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
10:29 pm
Half-hearted contest in the 4th quarter?
You’ve gotta be running out at those 3 point shooters.
drmaryb
May 6th, 2010
10:30 pm
Can JOE move without the Ball? We already know he does not MOVE with it!
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
10:30 pm
Cmn Hawks
O'Brien
May 6th, 2010
10:30 pm
Hawks are missing shots they were making earlier.
I noticed JJ is wearing something on his wrist…
We needed that foul on Howard.
JSS
May 6th, 2010
10:30 pm
14 to 4!!! Another one of those 4th QTR’s
w
May 6th, 2010
10:30 pm
so much for giving it 100%
Old Hawks Fan
May 6th, 2010
10:30 pm
ISO time……………..FIRE WOODY!
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
10:31 pm
Next foul is bonus, drive the ball and score with the clock stopped
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
10:31 pm
Should’ve drawn the 4th on Howard in the 4th quarter.
everything’s off the dribble at the moment.
Melvin
May 6th, 2010
10:31 pm
1 pass and 1 shoot is all the Hawks are getting on Offense.
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
10:31 pm
in the 3rd quarter*
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
10:31 pm
Hawks second half strategy:
“Let’s see if Joe and Jamal can shoot us back into the game. What? You mean we already had the lead?”
JSS
May 6th, 2010
10:31 pm
Drive the BALL!!!
Old Hawks Fan
May 6th, 2010
10:31 pm
SIT Marvin(High Pockets) DOWN!
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
10:31 pm
Played hearts out for 3qtrs now we giving up
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
10:32 pm
Oh great zaza
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
10:32 pm
Josh, you freaking idiot.
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
10:32 pm
Josh u idiot. Pass the damn ball moron
Ah So Joe
May 6th, 2010
10:32 pm
Fire Woodrow??
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
10:32 pm
exactly why a guard should be handling the ball.
Old Hawks Fan
May 6th, 2010
10:33 pm
PG Josh Smith……………………..He has No Brains!
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
10:33 pm
Man, I’m sorry. I love J.Smith,
But F You.
He’s made way too many boneheaded mistakes today that have cost us possessions + points.
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
10:33 pm
Its a wrap fellas, we down 2-0, thought we were gonna steal this one
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
10:33 pm
See Big Ray what did I tell u. U can’t deny it anymore. Josh is just not smart.
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
10:33 pm
went away from what was working.
JSS
May 6th, 2010
10:33 pm
Amazing self-destruction!
lewis
May 6th, 2010
10:33 pm
hawks look terrible
Luke Cage
May 6th, 2010
10:33 pm
Shut Up Spitter LOL
Old Hawks Fan
May 6th, 2010
10:34 pm
Break This Team Up this off season………………….Trade Josh for a First Round Pick.
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
10:34 pm
no Ray… the coach is the idiot for allowing it..
O'Brien
May 6th, 2010
10:34 pm
Can somebody tell Josh to pass the ball? He has to know when to give it up.
But he has been doing it all season, so what do you expect?
Ah So Joe
May 6th, 2010
10:34 pm
Josh Smith is the best player with an IQ of 80 in the NBA.
drmaryb
May 6th, 2010
10:34 pm
Every play needs to ATTACK the rim from here on out! No more jumpers!
We need And 1’s & pts from foul line here on out! Play that 50 second Offense NOW!
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
10:34 pm
EVERYTHING’S BEEN OFF THE DRIBBLE.
Horford’s one jumper was the one and only shot that I can remember at the moment that we’ve actually been an assisted attempt.
Everything else is off the dribble. Therefore, the ball ISN’T MOVING!
Old Hawks Fan
May 6th, 2010
10:35 pm
Send Josh to see Da Wizard and get a BRAIN! He has no Basket IQ……………………NONE!
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
10:36 pm
This fourth quarter has been an offensive implosion. Isolation on every possession, and predictably, the Hawks haven’t got to the line and have missed shot after shot. 2/12 shooting, almost all off of isolation. I don’t get it. They played so well offensively for three quarters, forcing the ball inside, playing with no fear of Howard, and now all of a sudden they are settling back into isolation mode.
NUNNA!!
May 6th, 2010
10:37 pm
NO ADJUSTMENTS..NO SUBS UNLESS WE’RE IN FOUL TROUBLE..WOODY IS GONNA RIDE,JOE,JAMAAL,JOSH,MARVIN UNTIL WE’RE DOWN BY 15 WITH 1MINUTE LEFT
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
10:37 pm
Venom Spitter ,
Oh? Then so is Joe Johnson, who led the team in turnovers in game one, and has made one mistake after another with his shooting. Stupid mistakes are stupid mistakes. I’ll be the first to call it stupid if it’s stupid. But Josh doesn’t do this all the time. So I don’t call him stupid all the time.
Call me back when he averages as many turnovers as he does assists. For a season.
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
10:37 pm
F it.
Why?
Dribble, dribble, dribble, shoot.
Dribble, dribble, dribble, shoot.
Nobody wants to pass the ball out?
Old Hawks Fan
May 6th, 2010
10:37 pm
Turn Out The Lights………………….
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
10:37 pm
Another choke just great lol
Ah So Joe
May 6th, 2010
10:37 pm
IsoJosh. Cool.
Mystikal
May 6th, 2010
10:37 pm
Why does Josh Smith walk down the floor so much?
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
10:37 pm
mental and physical fatigue.
Aaron
May 6th, 2010
10:37 pm
Josh is killing the Hawks right now.
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
10:38 pm
Josh with another dumb ass play lol
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
10:38 pm
And I won’t excuse Smoove either, he’s played like an idiot in this quarter.
JSS
May 6th, 2010
10:38 pm
They PANICKED!!! That is not on the coach!
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
10:38 pm
They gave up.
It’s a wrap.
4 quarters.
That’s all I wanted.
4 quarters.
We were down 1 at the end of 3. We’re down 14 at the moment.
make it 17.
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
10:39 pm
Joe and Josh are responsible for this loss. Just bad decision making.
Old Hawks Fan
May 6th, 2010
10:39 pm
23-6 in 4th Quarter for Magic.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
10:39 pm
23-6 Magic in this quarter.
So the Hawks played one quarter before melting down yesterday, and three quarters before melting down today. Maybe they will play four quarters without melting down on Saturday?
I’ll believe it when I see it…
What!
May 6th, 2010
10:39 pm
IF WE HAD JUST PLAYED WIT SUM HEART IN THA THIRD AND KEPT THAT CUSHION, WE WEOULDN’T BE IN THIS MESS RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, THEY WERE GONNA GO ON A RUN IN THA 4TH ANYWAY, BUT AT LEAST WE’D BE EVEN OR A FEW PONTS BEHIEND INSTEAD OF GETTIG OUR DOORS BLOWN OFF RIGHT NOW. TOO IMMATURE, CANT EVEN PUT A WHOLE GAME TOGHETHER!!!
THANKS A LOT BIBBY AND JOSH.
O'Brien
May 6th, 2010
10:39 pm
If Woody gives the Hawks a play in the timeout, the Hawks will do any and everything to run that play, regardless of what the defense gives them.
Woody and Hawks need to do better. Be more flexible. Geez…
And Josh with a bad turnover, and what would have been a bad shot anyway.
And now the Magic are running away with it.
northcyde,
Thats why we need a ball movement type of offense, because it is more consistent.
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
May 6th, 2010
10:39 pm
competing for 3 1/3 quarters and ending up getting blown out…is worse than getting blown out for an entire game.
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
10:39 pm
we wear ourselves out on defense…
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
10:39 pm
F********************************************
Old Hawks Fan
May 6th, 2010
10:39 pm
Hubie……….”Magic will make the extra pass to get the Basket”
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
10:40 pm
no Ray… the coach is the idiot for allowing it..
Right, Bigdave. Of course, that concept is beyond some people. Considering his lack of defensive effort in this second half, I’d have benched his butt right after that play.
But like O’brien said, Josh has been allowed to do this all season. Huh.
STILL….it was a dumb move. And he should have known better. But Josh is like the average person…it ain’t a problem until he gets caught. And he doesn’t get caught all that often, leading to dunks and assists…which we conveniently forget.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
10:40 pm
Switching D leads to a Vince Carter dunk.
Game over.
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
10:40 pm
this bs gets me so damn heated
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
10:40 pm
That’s what really has me mad, is Josh’s lack of urgency on defense in this half.
He’s playing like Joe Johnson out there. Disgusting.
Old Hawks Fan
May 6th, 2010
10:41 pm
Hawks will ISO and Shoot as oppose to how the Magic move the ball. The difference is Da Hawks are a selfish bunch of egos.
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
10:42 pm
Welcome to the Joe and Josh show everybody:
Introducing Joe BALLHOG Johnson. Joe enjoys hogging the ball, stopping the offensive flow, and demanding a max contract when he is a Robin.
Introducing Josh UHHHHH Smith. Josh enjoys making boneheaded plays, complaining about calls, walking back up the court instead of running, and doing his best Magic Johnson impression.
drmaryb
May 6th, 2010
10:42 pm
Now were playing to not lose by 43!
I guess we consider losing by 20 a move in the right direction?
Ah So Joe
May 6th, 2010
10:42 pm
This Hawks team is just plain dumb.
Old Hawks Fan
May 6th, 2010
10:43 pm
It’s I NOT TEAM with these Hawks and Woody doesn’t help the cause EITHER! Fire Wodson!
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
10:43 pm
Coach K.
O'Brien
May 6th, 2010
10:43 pm
Bad shot by JJ again.
Can somebody tell me how many points JJ scored in the second half? On that dunk by Carter, both JJ and Crawford did not even rotate over and try to take the charge, or try to foul him.
Pathetic.
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
10:43 pm
Bibby shouldnt start another game in a Hawk uni.
NUNNA!!
May 6th, 2010
10:43 pm
LMAO..I WAS LOOKING AT WOODY WHEN WE JUST CALLED TIME OUT..
HE REALLY THINK HE HAS BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB THESE PAST 3 YEARS AND THAT WILL CARRY HIM TO ANOTHER JOB,LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO….
FIRE WOODY!!
I GAVE HIM KUDO’S EARLIER AND IT WAS WORKING..BUT,HE WON’T MAKE THE SUBS LIKE SKILES DID WHEN HIS PLAYERS ARE NOT PLAYING WITH THEIR HEADS IN THE GAME..
CAPS OFF..
we might as well,let him go and let the assistants run this game come saturday..
sund is not bringing this joker back so why don’t he just let him leave now and see if we can salvage this playoff run without him..
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
10:44 pm
I wonder if it will escape the notice of anyone that for three quarters, the Hawks shared the ball, drove inside, made a concerted effort to get to the free throw line, and ended up shooting 50% from the field. Then, in the 4th quarter when the chips were down, they went back to the isolation that has caused failure after failure all season, and they melted down offensively.
F-ck Iso-Anyone.
Mystikal
May 6th, 2010
10:44 pm
This was a typical hawks loss at least, play tight for 3 quarters and lay down in the 4th!
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
May 6th, 2010
10:44 pm
Where’s Max player Johnson?…dont they show up late in games more than every blue moon??? Ah well let him go to Chicago where he can take a back seat to a younger Rose in these situations.
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
10:44 pm
Al I’m so sorry u have to play with these candy azzez u call teammates u deserve better.
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
10:45 pm
Welcome to the Joe and Josh show everybody:
Introducing Joe BALLHOG Johnson. Joe enjoys hogging the ball, stopping the offensive flow, and demanding a max contract when he is a Robin.
Introducing Josh UHHHHH Smith. Josh enjoys making boneheaded plays, complaining about calls, walking back up the court instead of running, and doing his best Magic Johnson impression!
w
May 6th, 2010
10:46 pm
has Joe had a good game yet in these playoffs?
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
10:46 pm
good game Al…. Marvin… Jamal..
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
10:46 pm
Woody must still go.
Despite a pretty well-coached game for 3 quarters, again, it’s his lack of a go-to-offensive play/scheme that kills our chances of winning.
The players don’t get off without blame.
Boneheaded mistakes + taking plays off, SMH.
You have to play 4 quarters without taking plays off. You have to play 4 quarters and minimize mistakes. The game is right there for the taking at the end of 3. You’d think these guys would come out with a focus we haven’t seen all season to try and pull this one out. They know they’ve struggled in 4th quarters, but they fall into the same trap they’ve fallen into in numerous 4th quarters all season – lack of ball movement/dribble dribble dribble.
Mystikal
May 6th, 2010
10:46 pm
Magic have four 20+ point scorers, they just have more gunz!
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
10:46 pm
Damn, Pietrus is horrible at free throws…
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
10:47 pm
At least the Hawks are competing with the game out of reach, cutting an 18-point lead to 12. A hell of a lot better than what they did in Game 1.
JSS
May 6th, 2010
10:47 pm
Come on and pull a Milwaukee!!!
Mystikal
May 6th, 2010
10:47 pm
Byron Scott!
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
10:48 pm
What a pathetic 4th qtr showing. AGAIN
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
10:48 pm
This one will end in 5.
I don’t see the Hawks holding home court.
Wouldn’t be surprised if the Magic got a sweep. I think we’ll manage to win one at home, but this thing is done in 5 tops. Would’ve had a chance to make this series had we won tonight.
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
10:48 pm
its was clear that win we moved the ball and players offensively we could score. its a shame that we cant do that consistently.
JSS
May 6th, 2010
10:48 pm
That’s me being an optimist
O'Brien
May 6th, 2010
10:48 pm
Bibby ONLY played 12 minutes, but he is -14.
This is another reason why Teague needed consistent PT during the year, because we just cannot count on JJ, Crawford and Bibby every game.
Especially Bibby, because he has sucked except for a couple good games against Milwaukee.
Mystikal
May 6th, 2010
10:49 pm
Dang, Dwight Howard is a big mofo!!!!!!!!!!
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
10:49 pm
My keys to this loss-
1) Josh’s pouting and total lack of defensive effort in the second half, coupled with his “I’m trying to make something happen” turnovers. His attitude put a real damper on the second half, right from the start. Disgusting.
2) Joe Johnson, bad on both ends (just who DID he defend?), and apparently getting worse from game to game. He ended up shooting 42% against Milwaukee, and is down in the mid 30s percentage wise against Orlando so far.
3) Our brilliant offensive game plan once again going away from Al Horford when the Magic have clearly not been able to stop him. I just love an offensive game plan that involves “let’s try and see if we can get Joe and Jamal to 20 points apiece tonight.”
4) Mike Bibby gave us nothing. Jamal Crawford came in for him and gave us some good shots before joining Joe off the deep end.
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
10:50 pm
Bibby has avg like 3 pts and 1 ast so far. What a waste off skin.
drmaryb
May 6th, 2010
10:50 pm
ETREMELY selfish basketball plays! One after another! When do you sit their azzes DOWN for not making 4-5 passes on every Off possession??????
WIRED:
TO in the 2nd Qrtr! I heard, Great job rebounding the ball! Everybody rebound the ball!
Then what Mo-Fo?
How about this?: EVERYBODY touch the (d a r n e d) ball before the shot goes up!
JSS
May 6th, 2010
10:50 pm
3 and a half minutes of just bone headed basketball
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
10:51 pm
Any team that would give Joe more than 4 mil a year is crazy.
Mystikal
May 6th, 2010
10:51 pm
Magic are focused on the chip, might be a sweep
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
10:51 pm
was a winnable game..
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
10:52 pm
As tempting as it may be to blame Woody or Joe for this loss, I’m going to pass. For three quarters, the Hawks had the blueprint and the energy. The bottom fell out in the 4th, and that falls on the entire team, but you can’t blame poor preparation (Woody) or poor energy (the players). The Hawks are a poor road team, and when the Magic started making their run in crunch time they fell back into the bad habits that plagued them all year instead of rolling with what had been working all game long.
Maybe I’m an idiot, but I see a silver lining. The Hawks showed that they can scheme for this team, match their energy, and outscore them if they get the ball inside and stay away from isolation. I’m confident enough that they won’t melt down like they did here if they are playing in front of the home crowd.
Come home and pull a Milwaukee, Hawks. Show them what you got.
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
10:52 pm
guard depth.
played Joe and Jamal damn near the whole game.
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
10:52 pm
VenomSpitter ,
If Josh was doing a Magic Johnson impersonation, we’d be winning this game. Unfortunately, he did his best ” I play for that team that gets beat by the Globetrotters all the time” impression.
And Al does deserve better.
NUNNA!!
May 6th, 2010
10:52 pm
Mystikal
May 6th, 2010
10:49 pm
Dang, Dwight Howard is a big mofo!!!!!!!
yo,is dat da jailbird in u talking????
u looking at dwight like dat???
WATCH YOSELF!!!
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
10:52 pm
Booooooooo Hawks (except Al,Marvin,and Jamal) Disgraceful showing in the 4th.
Old Hawks Fan
May 6th, 2010
10:54 pm
Hawks need a true center(b9 Bye Woddyg) that can clogged the middle, rebound and make players driving to the lane to alter their shots. So Hofford can move to the PF slot and get a small forward that can score with a Basketball IQ. The next coach should be a teacher as well as a disciplinarian that will develop all the players. Use a second unit that can jell. If Josh Smith has to be trade…..so be it. Good riddance Woody will not be back. Fire Woodson!
Melvin
May 6th, 2010
10:55 pm
Woody will have to find a way to play the bench b/c I think fatigue played apart in the Hawks 4th qtr meltdown tonight. They have played 7 games in 13 days…
JSS
May 6th, 2010
10:56 pm
They let Pietrus, Lwis and Nelson get on a roll and suddenly it was out of sight! Amazing!!!
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
10:57 pm
Najeh ,
Great post, but I have to admit I feel more negative.
Our energy was good, but Josh Smith came out in the second half and sapped a lot of it by not providing what he did in the first half. That hurt us, hurt our defense, hurt our rebounding, even hurt our offense.
The fact that we did what we’ve done all year long does NOT make me want to give the coach a pass. Making the same mistake consistently over the course of 82 games means you’ve had that many opportunities to learn from it. To continue making those mistakes in the playoffs does not make it any more okay, it actually makes it worse.
I’d like to see us pull what Milwaukee did on us. We’ll know how much of a chance we have at that in this next game. Lose the next one (and I don’t care if it’s in triple overtime) and this show is all but officially over.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
10:57 pm
If I’m the Hawks, I would strongly consider starting Evans or Teague in the backcourt in Bibby’s place to start next game, and let Crawford come off the bench and play a majority of those minutes. Bibby was flat-out awful in this game again as he’s been all postseason, and he pretty much single-handedly let the Magic back into the game starting the 2nd half. I can’t see how starting him in Game 3 can result in anything good. He has nothing left.
NUNNA!!
May 6th, 2010
10:58 pm
NAJEH,I FEEL YA..
BUT,WOODY CAN TELL U WAT HE WANTS ALL DAY,ITS UP TO HE AND HIS COACHING STAFF TO:
A.IMPLEMENT AND OFFENSIVE SCHEME THAT WORKS FOR THE ADVANTAGE OF HIS TEAM..
B.DEVELOPE HIS BENCH AND ROOKS TO WHERE WHENEVER HE NEEDS A CERTAIN TYPE OF PLAY,OFFENSE,DEFENSE,OR PLAYER THAT IS NOT AMONG THE STARTERS FOR CERTAIN SITUATIONS,HE’D HAVE IT..AND NOT BE DUMBING IT OUT LIKE HE IS WELL,DID TONITE..
C.GROW SOME!! AND PULL PLAYERS WHEN THEY ARE NOT PLAYING WELL OR HAVE THEIR HEADS IN DA GAME,I.E.JOSH SMITH AND HIS TURN OVERS,TONITE….
D.DO MORE THAN JUST SAY,OK WE NEED TO REBOUND,OR WE NEED TO GET TO DA HOOP AND TO THE LINE..DRAW UP PLAYS OR DEVISE A SCHEME TO DO DAT SO EVERYONE IS ON THE SAME PAGE..
E. IM TIRED OF THE SAME OLD THING,OVER,OVER,OVER AND OVER AGAIN..
AREN’T YOU??
GO HAWKS..WE SHOULD PLAY BETTER AT HOME..
Clyde
May 6th, 2010
10:59 pm
FIRE WOODY
NUNNA!!
May 6th, 2010
10:59 pm
Melvin
May 6th, 2010
10:55 pm
Woody will have to find a way to play the bench b/c I think fatigue played apart in the Hawks 4th qtr meltdown tonight. They have played 7 games in 13 days…
DID YOU HEAR HORFORD SAYING HE DIDN’T HAVE HIS LEGS THE LAST GAME,AT THE HALFTIME BREAK??
Fire VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
11:00 pm
you don’t boo your own team
Woodys No Goody
May 6th, 2010
11:00 pm
Is everyone happy now? We could have had an easy firing of Woody but noooooo! Had to beat the Bucks just to witness this mess. Later Joe Johnson and Woody!
Ya suck!!!
south ga boy
May 6th, 2010
11:00 pm
when the ASG, thru Rick Sund, lets JJ walk and fire Woody then as they reconfigure this team then I hate to say it but its time to let Josh go. He’s immature and while he has grown some this yr he just doesn’t get it. and this is coming from a guy who shellled out a lot of money for a no 5 jersey. His basketball IQ is so low that if he doubled it over the next 2-3 yrs it would still be lower than forrest gump’s mental IQ. Trade him for a real center and move Al to a 4 where he belongs. Howard is about the same age and we cant beat this team without a true center. Smoove, my man, YOU JUST DONT GET IT
Mystikal
May 6th, 2010
11:00 pm
Avery Johnson!
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
11:01 pm
“The fact that we did what we’ve done all year long does NOT make me want to give the coach a pass. Making the same mistake consistently over the course of 82 games means you’ve had that many opportunities to learn from it. To continue making those mistakes in the playoffs does not make it any more okay, it actually makes it worse. ”
Let me clarify — I’m not saying making those mistakes is OK. I’m just attributing the mistakes to being on the road, not to coaching or effort. What I was trying to say is that if this exact same game is played in Philips Arena, I don’t think the Hawks get away from what worked all game and melt down in the 4th quarter.
There’s still no excuse for their poor road play, and that goes to a broader criticism of Woody and this team’s lack of leadership. But I think if this loss is attributable to being on the road as opposed to preparation and coaching, like I think it is, it’s a much more positive outlook for the Hawks going forward in this series.
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
11:01 pm
I agree Najeh. At this point Bibby is just an awful player. HE does nothing. He is one big NEGATIVE.
Old Hawks Fan
May 6th, 2010
11:02 pm
This is probably the Most Selfish NBA Group in NBA History!
Old Hawks Fan
May 6th, 2010
11:03 pm
But Good Ole Woody will start Bibby Saturday……………….watch and see!
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
11:04 pm
LMAO @ south ga boy.
O'Brien
May 6th, 2010
11:04 pm
Melvin,
I think fatigue has to be a factor. JJ and Josh played 43 minutes, while Mo played 7, and ZaZa 6. But mentally, the Hawks always find a way to struggle offensively and defensively in the fourth.
Hawks need a backup PG. On the 790 the zone interview, Horford said they need Bibby to help them get into their sets.
But when Bibby is playing like crap, we just cant leave him on the court. So we end up initiating the offense through JJ and Crawford, which contributes to the ISOs that we see in the fourth when the game gets tight. They ar SGs for a reason.
But JJ gave us nothing again (offensively or defensively). Thats 5 bad games in a row for our max contract wanna be elite JJ. I cant help but wonder if something is wrong with him (fatigue or his wrist/thumb).
And Josh did not have his head in the game.
Good game for Horford though. Unfortunately his 5th foul forced him out in the fourth quarter. And Marvin tried, but he is just not skilled enough.
Hawks looked good for 3 quarters, but once again, they go away from whats working, and score less than 19 points in the fourth. Along with bad defense.
Rick Sund
May 6th, 2010
11:04 pm
How abouth that effort tonight from the hawks and didn’t Coach do a good job coaching this game. The players played hard all Four Quarters!
Mystikal
May 6th, 2010
11:05 pm
I agree, Josh Smith can be a beast on defense and make some highlight plays, but when things are going bad he looks like a selfish 6 yr old. This is his 6th yr in the league and his basketball IQ is still heavily lacking. He still has no goto move and whines way too much.
Mystikal
May 6th, 2010
11:07 pm
Did Jeff Teaguue get in the game at all? Was Mike Bibby in the game at all? Do we just hate the point guard position, is that it?
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
11:08 pm
I don’t think it has anything to do with selfishness.
I think there’s a lack of direction.
You don’t make the same mistake and have the same issues scoring the ball doing what you do if you’re being properly directed.
And, if selfishness was the issue, you would’ve liked to see plays drawn up out of timeouts to get the ball moving and to get guys looks off a pass rather than off the dribble.
The truth is, this team is what it is. They do what they’ve been doing all along. They’ve got the talent to compete with any team in the NBA. But, they lack the direction that’s needed through crucial points in a playoff game to come up with big W’s, especially on the road. They’ve struggled getting buckets all season in the 4th, but you see the same issues plague this team.
We’ve seen throughout the regular season, and we’re still seeing it. It’s obvious he still hasn’t figured it out…
darrell starks
May 6th, 2010
11:09 pm
The hawks are going 2 have make a choice this offseason between JOSH AND HORFORD on who play power forward.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
south ga boy
May 6th, 2010
11:09 pm
But Najeh, we all know what your saying, but what really lost this game tonight. BIBBY, like you said, but JJ and JOsh lost this game too. Joe does the same thing he always does in big games the last half of this yr. He shrinks from the moment. He cant make a decision. he dribbles and dribbles rather than using his advantage as soon as he comes off the pick or around the screen. IM sick to death of him and his same old tired act. And Josh just doesnt get it. How many times have commentators, former players, current playres, hell everybody said give the ball up on the fast break but what does he do. How many times do we see him whinning about a no call on one end while his man is streaking toward the other backet. Of course, let woody go, but let JJ go with him. Save the money, and trade Josh for a true 5 and build on Al, a true center, Jamal, and Teague
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
11:10 pm
Steve Smith just spoke on fatigue..
darrell starks
May 6th, 2010
11:10 pm
HORFORD OR JOSH SHOULD BE TRADED THIS OFFSEASON WE CAN’T KEEP BOTH.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
Mystikal
May 6th, 2010
11:11 pm
Mike Bibby gives the team an offensive spark once every 4or5 games and consistently gets torched on defense. Marvin Williams at least show up every other game, but you can not have this kind of inconsistency from your starters and expect to be successful.
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
11:11 pm
At this point, I’ve accepted the fact that JT0 won’t be getting into many of these games.
We “have the luxury of bringing him along slowly”.
Only if *coach* had known, Bibby’s aging quickly.
Grandad
May 6th, 2010
11:11 pm
I do believe we’ve seen this 4th qtr. before.
can’t say starters were tired:
Orl. – *56 bench min.
Atl. – *61 bench min.
[must be somethin' else]
Mystikal
May 6th, 2010
11:13 pm
If the hawks were dumb enough to let Horford slip away, I think I’d have to find another team!
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
11:14 pm
Woody’s said all season, there’s no need to “throw the kid at the wolves.”
Do you honestly see him giving JT0 any meaningful minutes in the playoffs?
I honestly don’t even want to see JT0 get broken into the rotation in this situation. There’s very little chance he’ll play well, because he hasn’t had the time to gel with the starters. He’d also play pretty tentative.
At this point, it’s just up to him to be ready next season, because that starting PG job should be his to lose.
darrell starks
May 6th, 2010
11:15 pm
LET JOE WALK AND SIGN ONE OF THE 2 AMARE STOUDEMIRE OR CHRIS BOSH.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
11:15 pm
Man please Al Vs. Josh. Gimme Al all day. Al is a real PF. Josh is a SF with no Jumpshot or handles.
O'Brien
May 6th, 2010
11:15 pm
@ Najeh,
“What I was trying to say is that if this exact same game is played in Philips Arena, I don’t think the Hawks get away from what worked all game and melt down in the 4th quarter”.
Let me remind you that in 2 home games against the Magic this season, we scored 11 points, and 18 points in each fourth quarter.
While giving up 26 and 22.
Mystikal
May 6th, 2010
11:16 pm
Must be a hoop dream, If we could sign and trade Josh Smith for Chris Bosh that would be awesome, especially if we could sucker them into taking Bibby. Yeah, askin too much.
south ga boy
May 6th, 2010
11:16 pm
Wabe, dont make excuses for the players. Its not just about direction. People have to be willing to take direction when its given to them. Your right that Joe, for instance, does what he does. Ok, well it doesnt work. The whole league knows how to defend Iso Joe, they have seen it a million times. How many time does Josh have to be told the same fundamental things, that you learn in middle school, over and over again and he still doesnt get it. He’s a big baby out on the court while play is still going on. If your gonna cry about every call at least do it when there’s a break in the action. But NOOOOOOOOO. same thing every time, just like old faithful
O'Brien
May 6th, 2010
11:17 pm
@ Najeh,
In game 6 at home against Milwaukee, we scored 18 in the fourth, and gave up 30. So I dont share your confidence that this wont happen at home.
I hope I’m wrong.
J.J.M.
May 6th, 2010
11:18 pm
I might sound crazy but i would sign joe and salmons and trade marvin for nets center lopez…wont happen but that would be a huge step up
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
11:18 pm
I don’t readily see a trade involving Josh Smith or Al Horford. But if one of them has to happen, I say trade Josh, and I’m a fan of his. But Al Horfords don’t come along all that often, and this guy still has upside, despite what many thought when he came in the league, and what many still think. He has all the intangibles, but doesn’t lack in athletic ability or anywhere else.
BUT…..
If you do that, Horford has to play PF. Unless you’re getting an Amare Stoudamire, Carlos Boozer, or some other PF type that won’t play center better than he can.
But that’s another story for another day, and I also don’t know that it’s a likely scenario. I’d say it’s not….
donald caldwell
May 6th, 2010
11:19 pm
the game as i saw it. hawks great in the 1st half, 7 point lead. josh smith turnovers and lack of heart and hustle is what changed the game. Also by 4th atl looked tired. since woody doesnt use the bench effectively thats to expect. joe smith was brought in for experience but has not played. but to me josh is still too immature to compete at the playoff level.
Grandad
May 6th, 2010
11:19 pm
Mystikal:
Dawgawnit every time you go & say Av.Jhnsn,I’ve gotta go & do this:
Mike Budeholzer
bigdave
May 6th, 2010
11:19 pm
Woodson say’s it “takes a near perfect game to beat Orlando…”
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
11:20 pm
“Let me remind you that in 2 home games against the Magic this season, we scored 11 points, and 18 points in each fourth quarter.
While giving up 26 and 22.”
Keep in mind that the first game you refer to was a total meltdown and the 4th quarter was basically a joke at that point. In the second game, they got outscored by 4 — not great, but certainly not a meltdown. I don’t discount the possibility that they do dumb sh-t at home in crunch time, but I think it’s a lot less likely. They did win that 2nd home game against the Magic this year, after all.
south ga boy
May 6th, 2010
11:20 pm
venomspitter, we finally agree on something. If its Al or Josh, tonight is a prime example of why you keep Al and trade the human highlight film jr. with a low basketball IQ and his temper tantrums to someone with a decent center
darrell starks
May 6th, 2010
11:21 pm
JOHN WALL may be first player taking in the draft by the nets devin harris will be on trade block can the hawks get him.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
11:22 pm
South ga Boy,
Sure. Let’s fire the players and give the coach an extension. Then we can all pay to go see the Atlanta Woodys.
If guys like Josh and Al are doing the same thing every time for the last six years, then somebody needs to cut the coach and the GM loose. Players are that hard-headed, you trade them. If the coach is that ineffective, then you get a different one. Woody allows too much freedom. And the players make the same mistakes because they simply aren’t disciplined and enforced. Don’t know what to tell ya, other than a coach always takes a fall for that, no matter how you see it. Only high-powered, proven, tenured coaches escape that fate (Popovich, Jackson, Sloan). Period.
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
11:24 pm
Well, hell, that ain’t no surprise. VenomSpitter is a dedicated Josh hater.
Not that there’s a shortage of those around here. Oh well, everybody has to have a hobby or a player (or coach) to hate.
Speaking of which, where’s Northcyde?
Ohhhh, that’s right. His boy sucked tonight. Again. Ouch!
south ga boy
May 6th, 2010
11:24 pm
But Najeh, If you ever want to advance you cant do dumb sh*t on the road, cuz you have to win on the road sooner or later. Im tired of making excuses for them. they are young:bullsh%t. How long has Josh been in the league now and because he’s 10-15% better (metally and emotionally) we think he’s made great strides. Gotta take the blinders off man, I have. This team, especially with crappy, skin flint ownership, cannot go any further as constituted. Some major changes have to be made.
Wabe
May 6th, 2010
11:26 pm
south ga boy,
It is about direction, or lack there of.
“The whole league knows how to defend Iso Joe”
That’s exactly why it would help if *coach* would draw something up, or have an offensive system in place to help minimize these lulls.
I understand what you’re saying though. I get that players have to keep their composure and come to play hard every play. I said in an earlier post that players hold some blame in tonights loss as well. But, if you look at the bigger picture, it’s the lack of direction.
Ultimately, we’re not going to lose this series because J.Smith whined after a call. It comes down to what you’ve been taught. And, even after witnessing 4th quarter collapses throughout the regular season, we obviously haven’t installed a set of plays that we can go to in the 4th quarter should we stagnate. People comment about how selfish these guys are, but truthfully, when you have a system in place that allows players to go one on one exclusively in throughout the game, it points to a lack of direction from *coach*.
If *coach* knew that the lack of ball movement kills our offensive attack in the fourth quarter, he would’ve implemented something by now. The fact that we see them continue to do it, and the problem has yet to be addressed, points to what I’m getting at.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
11:26 pm
For those of you who want to trade Smoove for his occasional bonehead play, let me point you to something I saw recently that Amare Stoudemire said. When asked about how come he has improved so much on defense, he simply said that nobody up to this point had ever taught him how to play defense before.
Now maybe he’s right, maybe he’s making excuses, I don’t know. The reason I bring it up is that in the case of a super-talented player like Smoove, getting him to fix these boneheaded mistakes (which have been on the decline over the last couple of years anyway) can be as simple as finding a good coach, or even a good veteran leader that can work with him on those things.
Anyway, I think it’s foolish to trade someone as talented as Smoove who affects the game in so many ways positively because he does dumb sh-t every once in a while. Maybe if the Hawks had a point guard, other players wouldn’t feel so compelled to try to make things happen on their own.
VenomSpitter
May 6th, 2010
11:27 pm
LOL Big Ray I don’t hate Josh. He just pisses me off with all his boneheaded plays.
south ga boy
May 6th, 2010
11:28 pm
Big Ray, not Al, go back and read my post. We should build around Al at the 4, along with Jamal and TEague. Also, the first thing I said was Woody has to go. He’s done all he can do. Brick wall. Do you, honestly, believe Josh will ever grow a basketball brain or stop with the crying. Do you believe JJ will ever be the kind of leader that a (max money contract) player should be. Really. PULEEEZE
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
11:28 pm
On a serious tip, I don’t understand what’s going on with JJ.
He finished the series against Milwaukee with regular season type stats. But he also finished shooting 42% against them. He’s shooting somewhere around 34% against Orlando.
Of course, Jamal Crawford is doing even worse, shooting 35% or so for the playoffs overall. I’d make as much noise about it, but after hearing so much about how great JJ is and how we just GOTTA sign him to a gajillion-billion-trillion dollar contract, I’m just not quite as disappointed in one as I am the other, despite the fact that I feel both have let me down big time.
I just expected more from a max contract Supernova. Silly me….
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
11:30 pm
South ga boy ,
That was my bad, I meant to say JOE, not AL.
As for whether I think Joe is
A) Worth a max contract
or
B) Can lead this team to the finals…..
No and No. But that’s just me. I’m not the king of research or anything.
south ga boy
May 6th, 2010
11:31 pm
Najeh 5 turnovers in the second half is not doin something dumb every once and a while. He killed us tonight. And how can we advance against the Magic, with Howard there, with, at best, 2 power forwards.
darrell starks
May 6th, 2010
11:31 pm
The big Q can josh play 3position.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
Clyde
May 6th, 2010
11:31 pm
Its time to get ready for the summer.
FIRE WOODY
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
11:33 pm
VenomSpitter ,
I’m just pickin’. Nobody hates it more than me when Josh does stupid stuff. He kills this team when he does, and he makes me look like an ass. I’m trading my #5 jersey in for a #15 jersey. Been thinking about that one for a year now. Just kidding, but like I said in my 11:18 post, I’ll go with Al if forced to choose. I say that now, and I said it when people were talking last year (and the year before) about trading Al or Josh for Stoudamire.
kwooden1
May 6th, 2010
11:33 pm
Clearly poor execution in the 4th killed the HAWKS. They missed several shots they can make, but they were still contested shots. Orlando on the other hand executed very well and got several easy shots to put the HAWKS away. Horford hitting the outside shot really made a difference in what Howard could do in the paint. If Howard goes back to his normal free-throw percentage and one of those calls against Collins goes the other way, I think we really come close if not win this game. It seems like Orlando made a lot of 3’s but they were only 9-23. (not a bad percentage, but definitely not great)
JJ still isn’t shooting well but Orlando is really making an effort to over play his jumper and make him drive to Howard. The HAWKS have to keep running the pick and pop with Horford to keep Howard away from the basket. The HAWKS actually out rebounded Orlando tonight, especially on the offensive glass. If Horford hits his shots we can continue to exploit the boards.
GO HAWKS!!!
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
11:33 pm
“If you ever want to advance you cant do dumb sh*t on the road, cuz you have to win on the road sooner or later. Im tired of making excuses for them. they are young:bullsh%t. ”
I agree with all of this…
“This team, especially with crappy, skin flint ownership, cannot go any further as constituted. Some major changes have to be made.”
… and even with this, but I think the changes you and I have in mind are different. To me, this roster doesn’t really need significant change beyond bringing in a Kendrick Perkins-like player, preferably an experienced veteran, to play 20 minutes a game at center and allow Horford to slide over to PF for a while. What this team needs is a coaching change and to turn the point guard reins over to Teague. It’s not like the Hawks have been getting beat in these playoffs because of size or talent deficiency, the way the Utah Jazz have against the Lakers. They have been getting beat because of mental mistakes and lack of mental toughness, which speaks to poor coaching and a lack of veteran leadership. Those are the two areas that need to be addressed, not reshaping the core of the team altogether.
south ga boy
May 6th, 2010
11:35 pm
I hear Ya Big Ray. AS for JJ, people are who they are. Joe is playing for the max money contract and trying to be the team leader that he knows he has to be, if he wants the money and he does, but that’s not him. Its in his head and its messing up his game. HE CANT MAKE A DECISION. Dribble dribble. He’s not comfortable with the role of team leader, but we cant advance beyond where we are without one, and for heaven’s sake, Josh cant do it and Al may can do it in another yr or 2.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
11:38 pm
“Najeh 5 turnovers in the second half is not doin something dumb every once and a while. He killed us tonight. And how can we advance against the Magic, with Howard there, with, at best, 2 power forwards.”
I don’t deny that he helped kill the Hawks with his turnovers tonight, but I think he has a lot more games where his impact is a big net positive than a big net negative.
Also, if you want to trade him, which center do you trade him for that makes the Hawks better? Keep in mind that for all his faults, you are talking about trading a guy who is second-team All Defense, the most willing passer on this team, arguably the league’s best help defender, and the only triple-double threat the Hawks have. Which center out there is available that will impact the Hawks the way he does?
If there is a player who will have the positive impact he does at the center position, then I am for it. I just don’t see that guy being available.
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
11:38 pm
South Ga boy ,
Answered your last post.
As for Josh, he doesn’t often kill us in games like this. When’s the last time he had 5 turnovers in a game, much less in a half?
It’s just that when he does play bad…it’s pretty bad, and it’s very frustrating to watch.
Najeh ,
For me, it’s about if forced to choose. I’m all for getting a better coach in here, first. All for it. And I have to think that this entered Rick Sund’s mind when Memphis offered Josh $58 million. If forced to choose, you already know now what you’ll get out of Horford from night to night, regardless of whether or not you change the coach. Can you count on Josh to play smarter even if you don’t get a different coach? Again, I don’t want to be rid of the guy, I like him a lot. But if that hard, tough situation ever comes up….do you stick with the electric PF who fills the stat sheet but can play you right out of a game, or do you stick with the PF who can also man the pivot for you night after night, if you need him to?
Tough….but I know which way I’d go. It’s just hypothetical, though. For now. I think.
south ga boy
May 6th, 2010
11:39 pm
So Najeh, are you then saying we send our 11 million dollar current power forward to the bench, cuz I would love to have a Perkins type at the 5 and slide Al to the 4. That’s what I have been talking about, but what do you do with Josh. Please dont say slide him to the 3 cuz I think I will start looking for the razor blades and picking out which wrist right now.
O'Brien
May 6th, 2010
11:39 pm
Although Josh Smith drives me crazy sometimes, he is still a really good player. 2nd team all defense, 2nd in DPOY. And he is a really good passer, plus he is still young, and we have him locked up at a reasonable price.
How do you think Philly feels that they offered the big money to Elton Brand instead of Josh?
Najeh,
Are you implying that Woody (who is all about defense) and Ty Hill (our esteemed big man coach) are not doing a good job of teaching Josh?
Grandad
May 6th, 2010
11:40 pm
Duplicating a position [Josh/Al] is killin’ us.
I’m with Mystikal, if they let Al go I’ll go back to the Celts.
[pre-Atl.Hawks/Bailey Howell/Russell/Sam & KC](before yawl jump me)
Josh (bless his heart) I feel like he may help us more in a trade.
Don’t get me wrong…he’s had a terrific season & tonight was 1 game.
But he just might [in a package] get Joe a *One so he can be a *Two.
*Alpha Dawg [not pos.]
If he [Joe] leaves then build around Al. [Joe/S & T]
Either way, Al’s the Cornerstone & Team Leader the way I see it.
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
11:41 pm
To me, this roster doesn’t really need significant change beyond bringing in a Kendrick Perkins-like player, preferably an experienced veteran, to play 20 minutes a game at center and allow Horford to slide over to PF for a while. What this team needs is a coaching change and to turn the point guard reins over to Teague. It’s not like the Hawks have been getting beat in these playoffs because of size or talent deficiency, the way the Utah Jazz have against the Lakers. They have been getting beat because of mental mistakes and lack of mental toughness, which speaks to poor coaching and a lack of veteran leadership. Those are the two areas that need to be addressed, not reshaping the core of the team altogether.
Co-sign, Double Co-sign, Triple Co-sign, and buy you a tank of gas….
Big Ray
May 6th, 2010
11:42 pm
South Ga boy ,
Agreed.
Grandad ,
Can’t argue with that!
south ga boy
May 6th, 2010
11:44 pm
But Ray, its the little things that he does that dont show up in the stats, that kill us. Complaining to a ref and not getting back on defense while his man scores on the other end. Taking the long jumper just inside the 3 point line when he could have just as easily drove to the basket. And, so often, he picks and chooses when he wants to give max effort on defense. When he does there is nobody any better but when he doesn’t will lackadasically guard his man and get burnt, or go for a steal that he had little to no chance of getting all because he wanted to make the sportscenter dunk on the other end. All those plays go on, to some degree or another, every game
darrell starks
May 6th, 2010
11:45 pm
WHAT WILL BE THE CALL FOR BIBBY, JOSH, AND OUR PICK FOR DEVIN AND LOPEZ.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
The Truth
May 6th, 2010
11:45 pm
The Enigma Josh Smith epitomizes must of what is wrong with the Hawks:
1) Loses focus from any distraction
Turn-overs, after turn-overs at the worst possible times
2) Discipline is questionable
3) Perceived Low Basketball IQ
4) Selfish Basketball during crunch time
5) Inconsistent
6) A slacker at the worst time
7) Too often, a whiner
Sorry Josh, but it is what it is ….
south ga boy
May 6th, 2010
11:47 pm
Agian, I ask, where does Josh go if we had a true 5 and Al went to the 4. I really do love Josh to death, (I know it doesn’t sound like it) but there isn’t enough baby food in the entire ATL to take care of him if he had to sudenly come off the bench.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
11:47 pm
“So Najeh, are you then saying we send our 11 million dollar current power forward to the bench, cuz I would love to have a Perkins type at the 5 and slide Al to the 4. That’s what I have been talking about, but what do you do with Josh. Please dont say slide him to the 3 cuz I think I will start looking for the razor blades and picking out which wrist right now.”
Nah, I agree with you on Josh playing the 3. That’s a terrible idea. I’m saying keep Josh and Al starting, reduce their minutes, and play your Perkins-type player off the bench at center allowing Horford to slide to the 4. The split would end up being similar to how the Hawks’ backcourt works now, with Joe, Jamal, and Bibby splitting pretty much all of the available minutes at the PG and SG positions. Josh, Al, and this Perkins-type player would split pretty much all the available minutes at the PF and C positions, and the coach would be able to mix and match these three players at those two positions based on matchups and whoever has the hot hand. Zaza would then become the 4th big man, getting spot minutes like Joe Smith does now, and everyone behind him on the depth chart would pretty much be irrelevant.
HAWKSFAN11
May 6th, 2010
11:48 pm
My keys to the lost.
1. Josh Smith takes too many plays off, he’s a great athelte, but just not a good BASKETBALL player.
2. How can u sit your starting point guard out at the 9min mark in the 3rd and he never returns?
3. Marvin played almost the ENTIRE second half, and he scored maybe two points lol WOW.
4. Woody left Crawford, Joe, and Josh in for the ENTIRE second half too, lol WOW.
5. We played as a team thru 3, then in the 4th, it was back to them playing streetball smh.
south ga boy
May 6th, 2010
11:49 pm
Thank you, “the Truth”
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
11:49 pm
This season, Joe played 40 minutes per game, while Jamal and Bibby each played 30. Imagine if Josh and Al each played 35 minutes, while this Perkins-type true center/veteran leader played 30. That’s pretty much what I’m envisioning.
Smoooooth
May 6th, 2010
11:51 pm
I am smoooooooooooth and pretty. I could play the point. My threes are way. How bout my IsoSmooth moves in the 4th quarter?
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2010
11:52 pm
“Are you implying that Woody (who is all about defense) and Ty Hill (our esteemed big man coach) are not doing a good job of teaching Josh?”
I don’t attribute ALL of Josh’s mental lapses to this, but I think they get cut down significantly with better coaching, yeah.
darrell starks
May 6th, 2010
11:54 pm
KRIS HUMPHRIES WILL BE ADDED 2 THE TRADE 2 MAKE IT WORK.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
south ga boy
May 6th, 2010
11:55 pm
But Najeh, I see 2 prominent problems with that. 1. You would reduce Johs’s minutes and to be effective the “perkins type player” needs to be in at the begining of the game and at the end when we need a true 5 to go up against the Howards, NeNe’s, Bogut’s, Bosh’s, Shaq’s, etc,etc of the game. We dont need Perkins to go against their back-up 5, thats what we have the 3 slugs on our bench now to do. 2nd, there is no way our cheap ars ownership group could eer afford to pay for that type of player or Josh either to come off the bench and give JJ the max money he wants. We have retards for owners, so I just dont think your scenario is possible.
Grandad
May 7th, 2010
12:00 am
Big Ray:
I’m certainly not a Josh [hater].(the only thing I hate is that word)
I’m thinking trade value. Josh’s value will never be any higher.
I’m not saying trade him for a [5] either.
Put together a package, with Josh as the centerpiece, That could
possibly bring in an Elite/Alpha Dog type player.
*pkg.[Marv,childress,Bibby,Teague(depending),Zaza,dr.pk.](not all)
Before you say d Wade’s not coming here / that’s not necessarily
the kind I’m speaking of. Maybe a young budding superstar:
*Stephen Curry
*Chris Paul [injuries + D.Collison/?]
*S & T Bosh
*Amare [friends with Joe]
I’m just thinking outside the box.
But I actually like Josh and he plays harder than most of our Hawks!
south ga boy
May 7th, 2010
12:01 am
And Najeh, we cant get a “perkins” without giving up something significant and what do we have as trade bait other than Al or Josh. Nobody wants Marvin and his dumbass contract. We couldnt get a used Jock strap for Zsa Zsa or Bibby with their play and contracts. We either keep Joe with a big contract or he walks. We want to keep Jamal. So what pieces do we have that anyone else would be willing to give up a good 5 for except Josh or Al. I will concede that Josh is more talented but Al has maturity, a ture power forward talent and body, and he wont make dumb mistakes. So Josh is the only thing we have that we can trade to get a 5. You can forget free agency with this bunch.
O'Brien
May 7th, 2010
12:02 am
Did Woody come out and say “Magic held serve, so all we need to do is hold serve in ATL”?
Najeh,
Are you giving up on ZaZa?
Grandad
May 7th, 2010
12:03 am
*D.Wade / I’m getting tired of my darned sticky shift key.
newkid
May 7th, 2010
12:07 am
Extremely impressed with Al Horford’s showing in the playoffs. Over the next several years it seems the only chance of getting out of what’s rapidly becoming one of the toughest divisions in the league is to build this team around Horford @ 4. With Charlotte taking leaps, Miami on the cusp of reloading, and Superman & company in Orlando, we’re dead in the water if Sund essentially sits on his hands this summer. Horford has the temperment, the budding skills, and the leadership qualities to be the cornerstone of the franchise for the next 10 years; no one else on our side even comes close. There’s been so much talk about how important it is to ‘maintain the core’ of the Hawks. Seems there’s only ONE core, and he’s Horford.
What!
May 7th, 2010
12:08 am
ZAZA, MO, AND BIBBY….WE CAN GET SUMTIN DECENT FOR THESE GUYS
VenomSpitter
May 7th, 2010
12:08 am
Al is the only untouchable. Everybody else is EXPENDABLE.
south ga boy
May 7th, 2010
12:10 am
Granddad, I agree that we have to think outside the box and Josh is the big piece that we have to trade, and i think your right that his trade value will never be any higher. We cant keep trying to drive this square (drafting a bunch of forwards, f… you very much Billy Knight) peg into a round hole. To continue to do so is insanity. Our front line, as constituted, do not have the heith to compete on a nightly basis with the elite teams in this league. something has to give and its either Al or Josh.
O'Brien
May 7th, 2010
12:12 am
Jamal Mashburn: “The problem for the Hawks, is they start settling for jumpers, which has been their calling card all season. They stop attacking the rim, no ball movement, and they settle for jumpers”.
Grandad
May 7th, 2010
12:13 am
Nets ain’t gonna trade Lopez!
Truth be told I don’t particularly care for Harris.
He’s never started @ pt. on a play-off team has he?
Give Teaguer a chance. before we look @ Harris.
I’d rather have Kyle Lowry [FA] anyway – plays his butt off!
Grandad
May 7th, 2010
12:15 am
Nail on the head O’B.
south ga boy
May 7th, 2010
12:15 am
Easy venomspitter, not everybody else. Gotta keep Jamal wither to start or come off the bench. Don’t know where we would be without him this yr. I really think that Teague has the skills to, at least, check the quick guards on the top teams in the Eastern conference. Everyone else is up for possible trade as far as Im concerned, but the honest truth is that nobody else will give up anything of any value for any of our players except Josh.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 7th, 2010
12:18 am
“You would reduce Johs’s minutes and to be effective the “perkins type player” needs to be in at the begining of the game and at the end when we need a true 5 to go up against the Howards, NeNe’s, Bogut’s, Bosh’s, Shaq’s, etc,etc of the game. We dont need Perkins to go against their back-up”
Not necessarily. The key is there are not that many players like Howard in the league that the Hawks really need a true center to defend. Among the players you mentioned, Nene is not really an offensive centerpiece who needs a big time defender guarding him, and Bosh is a finesse forward who got manhandled by Horford every time they matched up this year. The Magic, Cavs, Bucks, and Lakers of course all require a lot of defensive attention for their centers, but how many teams have true centers of their caliber? Not many. In most games, Josh and Al will still be finishing the game on the floor in crunch time.
“And Najeh, we cant get a “perkins” without giving up something significant and what do we have as trade bait other than Al or Josh. ”
Again, not necessarily true. The true center the Hawks acquire doesn’t have to be a star. I mean, sh-t, the real Perkins ain’t no star, he’s just a perfect role player. Teams pick up key acquisitions like this with mid-level exceptions, by trading expiring contracts and future picks, and/or using non-lottery draft picks all the time. The real Perkins was the #28 pick in the draft. The Bucks got Kurt Thomas as a salary cap throw-in. The Pistons in 2004 got Rasheed Wallace in exchange for a first round pick (used on Smoove) and expiring contracts. The Mavs this year traded for Brendan Haywood and Caron Butler while giving up an out-of-favor Josh Howard and expiring contracts.
The point is, these kind of players can be had at reasonable prices without having to give up Josh or Al. It just takes a creative GM to find them.
“there is no way our cheap ars ownership group could eer afford to pay for that type of player or Josh either to come off the bench and give JJ the max money he wants. We have retards for owners, so I just dont think your scenario is possible.”
This is the big wild card, whether the ownership puts their money where Michael Gearon’s mouth is. For example, Brendan Haywood is a free agent and can probably be signed with a mid-level exception, but will the DASG do what it takes to bring him here? He would be ideal for the role I’m talking about.
south ga boy
May 7th, 2010
12:23 am
WEll of course O’brien, but the question is why and who ? The “who” is usually JJ with Josh a close second. The “why” is because they lack the mental discipline to pass the ball or drive the lane and shoot/kick. Mostly, what they do is hold the ball (josh) or dribble, dribble, dribble and wait for the double team to come over with 4 sec left on shot clock and have to throw up a prayer. I agree 100% with Jamal and you but why does it happen over and over in the big games against elite teams when we need them to move the ball or drive to score or draw the foul or kick it out to the open man. Why is that so hard to execute or at least attempt to execute. Those 2 have the most talent on the team and the least mental discipline. To put it into football terms, they can score TD’s almost at will but they will consistantly get called back on stupid penalties
Grandad
May 7th, 2010
12:29 am
O’B on Mashburn:
Wdsn does not trust anything but…
You know our guys are always sayin’ we gotta trust each other.
It just struck me, it comes from Wdsn.
*He don’t trust them.
*He does not trust himself – to devise a system.
*He does not trust Al or marv or Josh – to him their not vets.
**[in his mind they're still rookies on those bad teams.]
*He didn’t trust Childress – so he left.
*He has never trusted Zaza
*He didn’t nor will he trust – Acie, Salim, Teaguer.
*He[however]does trust – Joe + Bibby & to a degree(Flip now Jamal)
O'Brien
May 7th, 2010
12:30 am
Najeh,
Did you know that against the Spurs in the these playoffs, Haywood only averaged 6 and 6 in 23 mpg. His career average is 8 and 6. If he is willing to take a short term contract, then he would be worth looking into.
But at 30 years old, this might be his last big contract, so he may want something long term.
Peter
May 7th, 2010
12:31 am
The Hawks are a ……..POOR TEAM……Financially….
The Spirit is Loosing money every year…… the Hockey team is not very good, and the support is even less then with the Hawks.
We will not get a real coach because they will need to spend real money…….
darrell starks
May 7th, 2010
12:33 am
HERE IT IS TAKE NOTE.
Josh, Bibby, and hawks first for Lopez, Devin and maybe another player 2 make it work the nets will be stupid not 2 take that trade.
JOSH WITH JOHN WALLL THAT WOULD BE SICK.
Sign joe for 4 year 17mill a year.
Coach Avery
bring chill back i think he had enough of playing football over there.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
south ga boy
May 7th, 2010
12:37 am
Najeh, nobody on this blog repects your NBA IQ more than me, and Im sincere when I say that, but I truly think that, even if ASG thru Sund could pull off the mid-level exception for your type of player, I still feel like its putting neosporin on skin cancer. And you have to admit, when you say “magic, cavs, bucks, and Lakers require a lot of defensive attention” is the core of my point. We can keep going down the road we are on with our current roster configuration with possible upgrades here or there, and still win 50+ games every yr and continue to get bounced out of the playoff’s in round 2 yr after yr. We can do that, but getting to the level of the Lakers, Cav’s, and most importantly the Magic is going to take a large re-make of the team, not patchwork. Josh has had 6 yrs and I cant see in him the Kobe like or Lebron like mental toughness to win a championship. I cant see JJ raising the level of his game to be the max-contract leader a team needs to take them to the promise land. Its just not in his personality, and his game has gone downhill from the Celtic series 2 yrs ago. That was JJ’s highwater mark, and “why,” its because he’s trying to be someone he’s not. Billy knight screwed this team several yrs ago with his drafting. There is a saying “the outcome of the battle is determined by the layout of the land.” We have too many forwards. We have no true starting center, and we dont know whether we have a true point guard in Teague, but we definately know we dont have one in Bibby. I just dont think you can tweak the roster and overcome all that “ROSTER ADVERSITY”
darrell starks
May 7th, 2010
12:42 am
ATLANTA HAWKS 2010 AVERY COACHING
STARTER DEVIN, JOE, CHILL, HORFORD, LOPEZ.
BENCH JAMAL, MOE, MARVIN, ZAZA, MORRIS.
RESERVE TEAGUE, COLLINS.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
south ga boy
May 7th, 2010
12:43 am
Darrell put the acid down. The Nets would never trade a top flight point guard and one of the 2 or 3 best young true centers in the league for Josh and whoever. secondly, your assuming they would get the no. 1 overall to get Wall, and of course there will only be, I think, about a 30% chance that they get the no 1, even with the worst record in the league. Your forgetting those damnable ping pong balls and David Stern cant pick out the frozen card last at the bottom of the bowl like he used to be able to do. Can you say Patrick Ewing.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 7th, 2010
12:44 am
south ga boy, you may be right that no amount of additional pieces can be added to this core to have them competing at the level of the Cavs, Lakers, and Magic, and I can’t fault your logic in coming to that conclusion. But while upgrading the role players around the current core may or may not ever lift this team to championship-level, I am almost certain that upgrading the coach will lift this team significantly past their current level. I’d just prefer to make that change and see how far they go before breaking up the core of players. If nothing else, it’s a hell of a lot harder to dismantle and reassemble your roster and come out on top than it is to upgrade the coach.
Grandad
May 7th, 2010
12:55 am
Josh + B-ball IQ is fine.
Self discipline can be trained. If and only “if” he wants to change
and, this is important, he recognizes the need to change.
He seems like a good kid.
An astute Coach could help him see that, as opposed to…all that;
lets call it, “tough love” [yelling/bullying].
He loses concentration very easy. So easy he forgets the game
continues as he pitches a fit. (tough love = sit on the bench)
Now are you ready to play or do you want to continue your bickering?
The Coach, a real Coach, should recognize that and get him off the floor when he loses concentration.Officials easily take him out of the game [mentally & emotionally].
You know the other team is baiting him.
[DH] knows him better than anyone.
Josh will be fine with the new guy & if there’s not a new guy?
Uh Oh!
*Budenholzer
*Zoubek
That oughta do it!
south ga boy
May 7th, 2010
12:59 am
Well, You may be right, and Im cerainly in favor of a new coach. Im not a Woody hater like some on this blog. I appreciate the fact that he was given nothing to work with 6 yrs ago except some lottery picks, a terrible judge of talent in a GM with a bonehead mnodel on how to make an elite team, and the most dysfunctional, hoopty (and Im a white dude)., cheap, lawsuit driven, sorry excuse for “so called” owners pro sports has ever known. And the team did improve every yr, so rather than tell Woody goodbye and give him a loaded gun and a “how to” suicide book on the way out the door like some Hawks fans would do, I say tell Woody goodbye and at least thank him for taking a team from 13 wins to 50+ with very limited resources. Get a new coach and maybe try your idea for another yr, but i dont have much confidence that it will even get us to a conference finals muych less a champoinship. And What if Bosh, or God forbid Lebron, went to the Heat to play with D-Wade. Hell, we couldnt get past 3rd place in our own division. I want a championship, as I know you and everyone else does too, and Im afraid we need to move Josh for a true 5. Im willing to take a risk, not blow the team up but more than a bandaid, because its going to take risks in this division with the free agents out there and the no state tax in Fla if we want to be able to compete with the Magic. We cant do it the way we are now.
south ga boy
May 7th, 2010
1:12 am
Granddad, I wish I believed you were right about Josh but I just dont think so. I do believe Josh is a good guy. Helping the family of the young man that was tragically died here in Atl is a sign that he has a good heart. But, when it comes to basketball his emotion rules over his intellect time and time again, and I dont think John Wooden, Lenny Wilkens, or Red Augherback could get him to play under control and think before he acts. And we cant keep saying “oh he’s young” anymore. He’s had 6 yrs in the league, he’s 24, and has a lot of NBA games under his belt now. We love his talent and his ability to make us come up out of our chair with a “holy sh%t did you see what Smoove just did” moments. BUt, we cant keep ignoring his lack of desire on defense “all” the time, or the stupid pass, or shooting when he could have drove to the hoop and gotten a better shot or at least a foul, or the constant complaining to the ref’s when he should be getting back on defense. I just cant keep making excuses or overlooking all his faults anymore. Its a hard truth, because he’s my fav player, but the team wont get any better until they move him in a trade for a real center and move Al to the 4. Im convinced of it.
Grandad
May 7th, 2010
1:18 am
south ga boy:
Your logic is sound, but so is Najeh’s.
Wdsn cannot coach an elite team. Period. Case closed. No debate.
I’ve looked @ this thing a thousand dif. ways.
Beginning in the mid 60’s & me or the Hawks haven’t got it right;
YET!
BK didn’t do us any favors. But he did leave us choices.
BK’s vision, I think, was a running, pressing, hard nosed,
pedal to the metal, athletes runnin’ around, jumping oughta the gym,
fans packing the house, towel waving, exciting, highlight factory,
innovative style of play. Somewhere along the line, he realized,
maaannn, I’ve got Woody @ the wheel!
I’m sure, for him, it was an Oh s___ moment.
south ga boy
May 7th, 2010
1:21 am
lol, maybe so. Gotta sleep for now, Granddad. Peace
Grandad
May 7th, 2010
1:32 am
south ga boy:
Responding about Josh; he may have passed the threshold.
It may be too late for a new Coach to turn him.
It’s like I said before…It’s now or never on trading him.
He does play harder than most.
We can’t just focus on a [5].
Need to get a Quality ‘player’/not just a passable [5].
A Dominant player. Pkg. who we must, otherwise we need to keep him.
He is a valuable commodity.
Like Najeh says – a new coach, someone with whom he connects?
You hate to see him go away & become All-Pro!
Good talkin with you. Evenin’ all.
Nate ArchiBALL
May 7th, 2010
2:17 am
Give me the name of the center you would get for Josh. We keep saying we need a “Perkins like center”….. give me a name…. please.
It is my thought that that person / center doesn’t exist.in today’s NBA.
Is it
Marcus Camby / Brad Miller / Ben Wallace / Andrew Bynum, / Mehmet Okur / Chris Kaman /
Nenad Krstic / Tyson Chandler / Samuel Dalembert / Kwame Brown / Jeff Foster / Brendan Haywood /
Erick Dampier / Rasho Nesterovic / Andris Biedrins / Shaquille O’Neal / Al Jefferson
or pick one from the 103 players who played the center position in the NBA this season
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/10/6/eff
Can you imagine Perkins in the current Hawks offensive scheme? He would look like ZaZa. Perkins has the luxury of playing with with the Garnett, Pierce, Allen and Rondo.
Mack
May 7th, 2010
2:27 pm
Man REALLY!! Its not just this series with J.J. He is vastly over paid and overrated.The guy doesn’t do anything,but shoot fade-away jumpers.Thats it! He doesn’t drive or create for nobody. He very selfish and he is fighting the success of Jamal Crawford.Like really! Everytime JC gets going JJ tries to take the shine by taking 80 dribbles and shooting that broke fade-away. Please get rid of this dude! He is killing the Hawks chemistry along with MR.I-JUS-WANT-A-DUNK-SMITH.