Atlanta Hawks Squawks Game 1: Magic 114, Hawks 71

This is how it looked from their perspective. (AP)

This is how it looked from their perspective. (AP)

ORLANDO–The Hawks opened the East semis by suffering a historic beat down. it was their largest playoffs defeat since the team moved to Atlanta. The Atlanta Hawks lost 111-76 at Philly in ‘82 and the St. Louis Hawks lost 133-75 at Minneapolis in ‘58.

– The Magic’s 43-point victory margin was their second largest in postseason franchise history. Their largest lead of the game was 46; their largest lead during the regular season was 38 in that Jan. 9 game vs. the Hawks. They’ve won their last four home games against the Hawks by an average margin of nearly 32 points.

– Not surprisingly, the Hawks talked afterward about how this is just one game in the series. Yes, they said they can regroup. Yes, they can come up with a plan to beat Orlando.

– “Honestly, it would be harder if we lost by one point on a buzzer beater,” Jamal said. “A game like this, you shake it off and move on.”

– “It’s one loss,” Al said. “We can’t let it be a snowball effect. We have to figure something out and play hard.”

– “We’ll bounce back in Game 2,” J.J. said. “It’s a long series. Anything is possible. We just need to look at the tape and make adjustments.”

– There wasn’t much conviction behind their words. But what else can they say? That they don’t have the depth of personnel to deal with both Dwight and the Magic’s skilled perimeter players? That they can’t run an offense with nearly the same precision, speed and effectiveness as the Magic?

– How can the Hawks really believe they can beat the Magic, especially on this court? They can talk about the missed shots, but what about the way the Magic relentlessly shredded their defense, switches or no switches?

– The Magic privately have to be making plans for the East finals but they went along with the cliches for now. “We understand that it’s only one game and in order for us to win this series we have to dominate every night like we did tonight,” Dwight Howard said

– What’s to say they can’t do that? Certainly not the Hawks’ defense. Or their offense. Or much of anything about the Hawks in Game 1.

– “We don’t get discouraged,” Smoove said. “We are a team that perseveres and plays hard. We just have to play better on the defensive end and make it hard for them to score.”

– That’s true but do the Hawks hope to hold the Magic to 70 points? The 10-point second quarter was something that shouldn’t happen in the playoffs. The Hawks had seven turnovers and four field goals in the period. The Magic rebounded 11 of their 13 misses.

– The Hawks seemed to be clueless about how they wanted to attack the Magic. Shoot, there were times when Iso-Joe looked to be better than anything else the Hawks were trying. “We just have to stick with the plan,” J.J. said. “I thought in the first quarter the plan that we had worked pretty good. In the second quarter we just fell apart and never regrouped.”

– The Hawks were back to their “the shots just didn’t fall” explanations. “We haven’t had many games where Jamal, Joe, and Bibby just couldn’t make shots,” Woody said. “It puts too much pressure on you.”

– It happened just a few days ago, in Game 5 against Milwaukee. The Hawks controlled that game until the meltdown because they played respectable D. They didn’t come close to doing that against the Magic. Then again, the Magic ain’t the Bucks.

– “We have to come up with a different game plan because what we have been doing hasn’t been working,” Al said. “We have to figure something out and play harder.”

– They are back to the “play harder, come up with something” line of thinking, too. That’s never a good sign.

– When Al got his first foul, Woody replaced him with Jason Collins and later replaced Josh with Zaza. “That’s the coach’s plan,” Al said. “He felt Jason and Zaza in would be better. I have to deal with that.”

– “I didn’t think that hurt us,” Woody said. “That was towards the latter part of the first quarter. We came in with Jason and Jason picked up a few fouls, but I didn’t want Al going through the quarter with two fouls and now he’s got to be looking over his shoulder going into the second quarter. I thought we played it right. That had nothing to do with second quarter letdown.”

– The Hawks got frustrated with some of the calls, and there were some bad ones that went against them. But most of those came in the first quarter, when the Hawks actually were in the game. “The calls did not go our way but that’s not an excuse,” Josh said. “The refs are not going to help them beat us by 50 points.”

– Howard had a big game. The Hawks’ “no dunks” approach didn’t work. But the Magic might have won with Marcin Gortat playing Howard’s minutes considering how they punished the Hawks on the perimeter.

– At this point, I just don’t see a way for the Hawks to guard everything they have to guard while also coming up with a plan to score efficiently against the Magic to make this a series. “We’ve beaten them before,” Horford said. “We are the third seed so we knew we were going to have to play them. We put ourselves in this position. We earned this.”

– When you look at what Boston is doing in the Cleveland series, what happened to the Hawks tonight, and how they huffed and puffed against Milwaukee, doesn’t it start to look like they didn’t close that gap so much after all?

– “They embarrassed us but we have have another one on Thursday and we will get ready for that,” Bibby said.

– I’m out, Hawks fans.

MC

196 comments Add your comment

bigdave

May 5th, 2010
12:17 am

bigdave

May 5th, 2010
12:18 am

bigdave

May 5th, 2010
12:22 am

“We have to come up with a different game plan because what we have been doing hasn’t been working,”

-Al Horford

CrazyDiamond

May 5th, 2010
12:25 am

If you bet on the Hawks and took 43 points – you lost!

bigdave

May 5th, 2010
12:26 am

“doesn’t it start to look like they didn’t close that gap so much after all?”

lol @ 53-29 defining progress..

CrazyDiamond

May 5th, 2010
12:28 am

If you bet on the Magic and gave 43 points – you won!

CrazyDiamond

May 5th, 2010
12:29 am

I bet Woody is gone after this series.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 5th, 2010
12:29 am

“Leyendo Los mensajes que mandaron, es Cierto nos dieron una pela… Pero es nada mas un juego. Let’s focus on Game 2. Ya”

–Al Horford’s Facebook status

Najeh Davenpoop

May 5th, 2010
12:31 am

It’s one thing to play hard, play smart, and lose to a more talented team like the Magic.

It’s entirely different to play like sh-t, do the same dumb sh-t that has caused you to lose winnable games all season, and get embarrassed on national television.

FIRE WOODY

Chicken Hawk

May 5th, 2010
12:36 am

Who’s the leader on this team? The coach? Joe or Josh? Bibby?
That seems to be the problem. When times are hard, someone has to motivate the team. We lack a team butt kicker, as well as a force in the paint.

Grandad

May 5th, 2010
12:39 am

Gregg Popovich on Mike Budenholzer [GP's asst.coach/14 seasons]
*(currently, lead asst)

“First of all, Mike has a wonderful understanding of the game,” Popovich said. “That’s a requirement. He’s really good relationship-wise, too. He’s secure in his own skin and he’s able to tell a player the truth whether the player wants to hear it or not.”

JaBe

May 5th, 2010
12:40 am

Orlando Magic in four, and Woody is done and gone!

It's always nice to . . .

May 5th, 2010
12:42 am

set the tone in game 1. Way to go Hawks!!

Clyde

May 5th, 2010
12:45 am

J.J. said. “It’s a long series. Anything is possible. We just need to look at the tape and make adjustments.” SMH

FIRE WOODY

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

May 5th, 2010
12:48 am

LMAO@JJ’s BS comments

“We’ll bounce back in Game 2,” J.J. said. “It’s a long series. Anything is possible. We just need to look at the tape and make adjustments.”

That boy a foo’

Like it’s really gonna come that easy, after the raping the Magic have done to the Hawks on consistent basis.

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

May 5th, 2010
12:48 am

lol@”Anything is Posssible”

Sounds like an Orphan’s first time as Disney World

Najeh Davenpoop

May 5th, 2010
12:52 am

When you take your All-Star center out of the game and put in a scrub who barely plays for the sole purpose of fouling, you are basically sending a message that your team can’t compete without resorting to gimmicky bullsh-t.

On March 24, Jason Collins didn’t play, Zaza played his usual 16 minutes, while Horford shouldered the bulk of the load guarding Howard. And the Hawks won.

Way to boost your team’s confidence, Woody.

FIRE WOODY

drmaryb

May 5th, 2010
12:56 am

PANTS ON THE GROUND!

I wear…..I wear….I wear No Pants….I weaarr NO PANTS! Commercial.

The HAWKS waddled off the court with their PANTS ON THE GROUND!

Somebody call Simon Cowell & see if we can book this act on:

THE NEXT AMERICAN IDOL!

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drmaryb

May 5th, 2010
12:57 am

NEXT FOR THE HAWKS!

Hey HAWKS!

Bend over and grab your ankles…..Tighten your Anal – Spinchters….Pull your pants up – Over your Boot Straps &Fight like Mrs. Turtle! Please put up One – Hell – of – a – FIGHT!

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drmaryb

May 5th, 2010
1:01 am

re-posted from previous blog….

I FIGHT DIRTY!

Everybody on here knows that by now! If you don’t believe me? Ask Venom-Spitter & Rusty – They Know!

I’ll run in the stands and slap FANS! (Oh! That’s Artest.). LOL!
I’ll kick the camera man in his groin! (Oh! That’s Dennis Rodman.). LOL!

Hey Coach Woody! Put me in – I will fight for you and the ATL! I may not win – but, I will not go down without putting up one hell of a FIGHT!

Where is the Nasty. Mean, Fighters on this roster?

There was a female president who resided over Spelman College back in the early ’90’s.
She was a key note speaker at Ebenezer Baptist Church to Memorialize Martin Luther King’s Birthday Celebration one year, her speech changed my LIFE forever & I went on to become a Doctor after that. Against – ALL ODDS! I went back to Graduate School and Mariculated at age 40:

She said:

There was a turtle traveling along a dirt path, and lying in wait – was a Lion. He was the King of the Jungle and all that he surveyed!

He saw the turtle coming his way and decided he would have turtle soup for lunch on this fine day. But, as the turtle traveled at a snails pace, the Lion decided he would take a little nap and upon awakening, the turtle should be right there in front of him & right on time for lunch.

As the Lion awakened, sure enough Mrs. Turtle was right on time. So, he picked her up and pressed her against his nose and said – Yum Yum I think I will have turtle soup for lunch.
The turtle replied, “Oh Mr. Lion, with your beautiful mane and fierce roar – You are King of the JUNGLE and ALL that you survey! If I got to go, then I got to go! But, before you eat me for lunch? Can you please put me down for 2 minutes and then have your way?”

The Lion said to himself, “Why Not? For, she could never escape me!”. So, he sat the turtle down.

That Turtle flipped backwards, then forward, she jumped up and down and all around – That turtle kicked and yelled and screamed and created a lot of dust and made one hell of a RUCKUS!!!!

When Mrs. Turtle was done – she said, “OK Mr. Lion – Thank You Very Much!”

The Lion scratched his head, and retorted, “I have worked up one hell of an appetite from just watching you – what was that RUCKUS all about?”

Mrs. Turtle replied, “Like I said, if I gotta go – then I gotta go….But, I want everybody that comes down this pathway to know – That I PUT up One Hell Of Fight!”

That’s all I ask the Hawks to do! FIGHT & FIGHT & FIGHT some more!
I will respect you more – I if you do!

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

May 5th, 2010
1:10 am

well coached, undermanned/injured Utah team = competitive games with the Lakers

poorly coached, fully healthy Hawks team = ran out of the gym by Orlando, nearly every game

Josh Smildress

May 5th, 2010
1:11 am

Fire Woodson

Darrin "The Vent King"

May 5th, 2010
1:22 am

Maybe the NBA ought to think about invoking the skunk rule…good GOD.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 5th, 2010
1:35 am

Mac-Town beat me to it. If the Hawks had lost the same way the Jazz did, nobody would be complaining.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 5th, 2010
1:49 am

Chuck is now calling out the Hawks’ so-called leaders for not talking to the press after the game.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 5th, 2010
1:55 am

Before I go to sleep, I’m going to restate a question I asked during the game.

Those of you who adamantly insist that Woody is right not to play Teague — I’m looking at you, northcyde, Ree Roe, etc. — tell me one thing Bibby has done this postseason better than Teague.

Defense? Not even on his best day.
Moving the ball? No.
Getting in the lane? No.
Leadership? No.
Shooting? That’s the one thing you would expect, but even there, he’s shot well in three games and terrible in the other five.

So tell me, what exactly do the Hawks gain by playing Bibby over Teague? I’d love to know.

Grandad

May 5th, 2010
1:58 am

drmaryb:

You know I have the utmost respect.
But:
Did you see Wdsn’s demeanor on the bench…no fight.
Charles even said after the game:
“Wdsn needs to pull a Mike Brown & get mad.”…no fight
It’s been said many times & many ways on this board:
A team reflects the nature of it’s coach…no fight.
This team…players & coach quit tonight:
before the game ended…no fight.

Grandad

May 5th, 2010
2:03 am

Najeh:

Wdsn & his favorite student [MB] must go.
Right now I’m thinking a S & T for Joe
may be the best for all concerned.

drmaryb

May 5th, 2010
2:26 am

Grand-Daddy

I feel you man!

I have been saying ALL season long – that I am a Female Gladiator ! I got FIGHT in my HEART!
I had to FIGHT my Step- Daddy!
I had to FIGHT my Uncles!
I had to FIGHT my Brothers!
I had to FIGHT my Cousins!
I had to FIGHT racism – by becoming educated!

And if I had to? I will ALL twelve of them MAGICS!
I ain’t too scared to FIGHT! I am more afraid of LOSING!

They call me the Female “Tony – Robbins” in my profession!
I am the consumate PROFESSIONAL when I go to work everyday!
I FIGHT – Medicare! Blue Cross – Blue Shield, Aetna, Cigna, United Health Care, et.al.: On the Daily!
I do it with Class & Grace & Pragmatic Diplomacy! Hell, I do it for my patients & I DO IT for the bottom line of my business practice! Heck Grand-Daddy it’s – What I Do!

I don’t make a million dollars per year – I do it for the LOVE of Chiropractic!

So, my question is – Why Can’t The Hawks Do That?

I just don’t understand?

I’m going to watch that Movie that Dwight Howard said he watched to prepare his mind for this game:

The Perfect Warrior. Tomorrow Night. Why Can’t the Hawks do that to? They need to do something – besides trying to Figure it Out! Go – Figure! What they hell are they watching? I hope it’s NOT tonight’s game film! They don’t need to break that down – They need to burn that!!!!!!

I am Not – Laughing Out Loud tonight!!!!!!!!

Clyde

May 5th, 2010
2:31 am

Too much wine tonight for drmaryb. She watched the Hawks game got depressed and started drinking. Go to bed.

FIRE WOODY

drmaryb

May 5th, 2010
2:47 am

OK CLYDE!

I’ll Go to sleep now – you’re right! I am depressed because I waited and planned my whole day aroundthis game tonight. I turned down dinner plans with friends & turned my cellie off to watch that
Turr-ible Garbage!

Good Nite – CLYDE Baby!

Reese

May 5th, 2010
3:01 am

I really wish that just once, Woodson would take his chances with allowing Horford to play big minutes against Dwight Howard. Al is the best post defender on the team, and statistically, the best post defender in the league. History has shown that Dwight’s scoring against Al has been extremely limited. Tonight, I think he had a total of 4 points against Al, with Al not fouling him at all. Woodson obviously realizes how valuable Al is and that is why he wants to keep him out of foul trouble, but the strategy of taking him out of the game so early with just a single foul is hurting more than it is helping. Every single time Dwight Howard has a dominant game against the Hawks, Al plays very few minutes in comparison to his average. I’m sick of all the attention Woody puts on Dwight. He’s not the problem, the shooters are. Maybe by some miracle, Woody will try playing Dwight straight up with Al at some point in this series.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 5th, 2010
3:03 am

“Wdsn & his favorite student [MB] must go.
Right now I’m thinking a S & T for Joe
may be the best for all concerned.”

I really don’t have a beef with any of the players, including Joe, for the Hawks’ shortcomings. The Hawks just need a coach that is going to emphasize ball movement instead of encouraging ball-hoggery. I’m increasingly doubting the wisdom of giving him a max contract, although I can’t think of any halfway-decent alternative, but I think he can definitely thrive as the centerpiece of a better offensive scheme here in the ATL.

I don’t even really mind Bibby, but there’s no question in my mind that he’s a backup at this stage. The starting point guard job next year has to be Teague’s to lose from the first day in training camp.

FIRE WOODY

Reese

May 5th, 2010
3:10 am

If Teague wants to be the starting point guard for this team, he’s got a lot of work to do over the summer, because at the moment he is not even at bibby’s level. He definitely has the physical gifts to be a stud in this league, but his basketball fundamentals are extremely raw at this stage.

northcyde

May 5th, 2010
3:12 am

Najeh . . . you know what Bibby’s main asset is.

It’s the same asset that Derek Fisher possesses. It’s his ability to knock down jumpshots, especially when the double team comes to JJ. He’s our leading 3 point shooter in the playoffs so far. He was shooting 44% from three before tonight.

With the way this team is constructed, the guards MUST be able to knock down jumpshots. And not just during garbage time.

The one thing I’ve wanted to see Teague do, is dramatically affect a game just one time when the game is still in the balance. Not when the game is virtually over. During that time, there is no pressure on the kid. But when he’s in the game during the 2nd quarter, I just want to see if he can be a spark to a run, or play a high level of basketball for a mere 5 minutes.

Fact is . . whenever Teague enters a game with it still in the balance, he almost never affects the game. He’s just . . . . out there.

That’s why he doesn’t play, even with Bibby in decline.

He’s not going to be just given playing time, if he can’t even affect the game.

Jokeman 4000

May 5th, 2010
3:14 am

I Could Be Wrong But It Always Seems You Waste More Energy Playing Deffense Then On Offense. So With That Being Said…….

One Of The Greatest Coaches In BasketBall History Once Told His Team “If You Make Them Work Defensively They Will Pay Offensively”

Meaning Get Them Running Around Make Them Work On The Defensive End And It Will Pay Off For Your Team When Your Oppenents Are On The Offensive End. There Players Will Be To Fatigued To Really Focuse And Shoot With Efficiency *WORK=PAY*

Looks Like They Where More Concerned About Trying Not To Let Howard Look Good And Have Sport Center Type Plays Rather Then Playing BasketBall. He Will Get Blocks And Dunks There Is No Stoping SomeOne From Doing That Wear Him Down Drive In Make Him Use His Feet If Your Shoots Are Not Falling. If All U Do Is Shoot Then All He Has To Do Is Jump And Get The Rebound No Energy Wasted. Which Means He Will Be Fresh To Dominate On The Offensive Side. Make Him Work The More You Take It At Him The More He Will Get Mad And Try To To Block It Since It Will Seem Like You Dont Respect His Presence And After Awhile He Will Just Start Slaping At The Ball And Commit Frustration Fouls As Well As Get Fatigue. You Can Always Play Your Opponents Game Sometime As Well Drive And Dish To The Open Player Get Them Running Around. Make Them Chase You. Carter Had To Chase People Around On The Bobcats Cuz They Moved The Ball From On Side To Anohter Or Dribbled And Drove In And Pulled Out And Dished To An Open Player When There Man Would Leave To Double That Got Him Tired So As Result He Couldnt Get His Shot Off As Much Because Of Fatigue. Thats What Happened To The Hawks Tonight Magic Had Them Running Around Wore Them Down And As A Result The Hawks Were To Tired To Shoot Efficent Shots. Hawks Really Dribble Threw There Legs In The Same Spot Till The Shot Clock Is At 5 Then Shot And All The Defender Does Is Stand There And Jump No Wasted Energy On The Defenders Part At All.

bigdave

May 5th, 2010
3:18 am

Johnnetta B Cole…?

northcyde

May 5th, 2010
3:18 am

Salim Stoudamire > Jeff Teague

At least Salim could come into a game every blue moon, and make an impact.

Oh . . my bad . . Teague did show out in the final game of the season vs Cleveland, when he was basically given the green light to be “the man”. But he needs to learn how to be an impact player, while being a reserve.

Reese

May 5th, 2010
3:19 am

Jokeman, you make some great points above. I definitely think that some simple ball movement and player movement on the offensive end could do wonders for the Hawks both offensively and defensively. Also, attacking Dwight Howard with drives is a great strategy. It worked wonders for Gerald Wallace and Charlotte. If the Bobcats had more offensive firepower, they could have won that series.

northcyde

May 5th, 2010
3:33 am

As I’ve said . . . the Hawks have ONE SHOT in this series. . . and that is for JJ and Jamal to play at a very high level, especially offensively. They’re the 2 guys on this team who have the potential to carry the team offensively. If they can get going, that should make life a little easier for the others.

That’s the only way folks.

The job of those two in this series, is to prevent those scoring runs like you saw tonight . . . by making shots, whether they’re open shots or contested shots. When both of them play as horribly as they did tonight, especially JJ once again with the turnovers ( but not the shot attempts ), the result will be major blowouts.

That’s who we are. We’ve depended on those 2 all year for offense. So they have to lead us in that area.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 5th, 2010
3:40 am

“Najeh . . . you know what Bibby’s main asset is.

It’s the same asset that Derek Fisher possesses. It’s his ability to knock down jumpshots”

Bibby shot 8 for 9 in Game 1 against Milwaukee. Since then, he has shot 37% from the field. Considering that knocking down jump shots is his only ability left, he needs to be a hell of a lot more consistent than that.

“With the way this team is constructed, the guards MUST be able to knock down jumpshots.”

Nah. With the way this team is coached, the guards must be able to knock down jump shots. It’s not like the skill set of the players on the team prevent them from scoring in other ways. Mike Woodson prevents them from scoring in other ways by insisting that the Hawks run the one-on-five offense. If the Hawks were given plays to run, like every competent offense in the history of the NBA, they wouldn’t be so dependent on guards making shots.

The thing is, when I say that the starting job should be Teague’s to lose in training camp next year, it’s not because I think Teague is a great player. It’s because Bibby is DONE. D-O-N-E. He is basically Eddie House at this point, except he gets paid the mid-level exception. If the Hawks had a halfway competent starting point guard, I wouldn’t even be bringing up Teague’s name. The fact is, Bibby entered this season as an above average shooter and below average everything else, and now at the most important time of the season, he isn’t doing the ONE THING HE’S SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD AT. With that being the case, I’d much rather give Teague a shot to play consistent minutes with the starters and build confidence to show what he’s got rather than seeing the corpse of Bibby letting every opposing point guard in the world treat him like Ben Roethlisberger treats college co-eds.

“The one thing I’ve wanted to see Teague do, is dramatically affect a game just one time when the game is still in the balance.”

It’s hilarious that you keep saying Teague to make an impact to get more minutes. What the hell is Bibby’s impact, other than allowing every opposing point guard free reign to do whatever they want to do? He can’t defend, he doesn’t penetrate, he doesn’t set his teammates up with easy shots, and for all the hype about how great of a shooter he is, in FOUR SEPARATE MONTHS THIS YEAR, he shot under 40% from the field. He is DONE. Maybe Teague doesn’t make a huge positive impact — generally, rookies picked outside the lottery who play five minutes a game don’t — but at least he doesn’t make a tangible NEGATIVE impact.

Give me a f-cking break. Bibby is the 4th best point guard on this team behind Joe, Crawford, and Teague, and Horford is fast approaching at #5.

“Salim Stoudamire > Jeff Teague”

Now you are just f-cking delusional. Those flood waters must have really contaminated the drinking water supply up there. The only way Salim is better than Teague is if Bibby is guarding him.

vava74

May 5th, 2010
3:40 am

Jokeman 4000

May 5th, 2010
3:41 am

It Looks Like Joe And Crawford Are Starting This Series Off The Same Way They Did Last Series In Milwaukee Against The Bucks. Which Is Not Good. *REESE* Woodson Should Show Them That Film And Show Them How Affective It Was For Charlotte. Because Obviously The Film Hawks Watch Arent Films Of The Prior Games Cuz It Seems Its The Same Thing Thats Happened In The Reg Season. But I Think The Only 2 Guys That Really Want To Play This Series Are Josh Smith And Al Horford But Woodson Will Pull Horford Early If He Has 1 Foul Which Will Be Hard To Get Him Going If He Continues To Do So, And Josh Of Course Since He Grew Up With Howard Will Have Alot Of Energy And Try To Out Do Howard. But Those 3 Early Fouls Did Hurt Because He Had To Sit For One And He Couldnt Contest Shots As Hard Becasue He Didnt Want To Foul Out Early But The Rest Of Them Just Seem Like They Arent There. But I Do Think Like Everyone Else Horford Can Guard Howard And Do A Pretty Good Job On Him. And Also Whats The Point Of Taking Him Out Because If You Do There Will Be No Need To Put Him Back In Cuz We Will Be Down 40 B4 You Know It And You Will Have No Choice But 2 Bench All Your Starters Any Way Like Tonight So He Should Leave Him In And Let Him Play And Get Going. Just To Frustrate Howard A Little. Even If He Has 1 Or 2 Fouls

hot err

May 5th, 2010
3:41 am

This franchise is gonna continue to suck for the next 6-7 years if we give J.J. max money. Clearly he’s not worth it.

vava74

May 5th, 2010
3:50 am

Najeh,

You are 100% correct: Bibby is at this stage of his career strictly a spot shooter.

However, I think that 90% of the problem from his side is lack of effort.

A couple of quick examples: that off balance shot he made and that reverse lay up against the Bucks are examples of stuff that he could still do if:

1. He was in shape (weighing less 15/20 pounds);
2. He still played aggressive and brought effort.

Obviously he is not in position to consistently blow by defenders and get layups against Howard at this stage of his career, but he could try, like for instance Derek Fisher still does.

Fisher is fading fast but he always brings effort and aggressiveness. Even now that he is out right ancient.

Bibby pure and simply does not try to. He had a good game against the Bucks and now he “coasted” another game.

And where is the accountability? Nowhere, he’s Woody’s pet student and guaranteed a starting job even when he does not produce sh*t.

Jokeman 4000

May 5th, 2010
3:53 am

*Najeh Davenpoop* The Only Reason I Would Say Reason Woodson Keeps Bibby On The Floor Is Because He Is Considered A Shooter And Regardless Of How Bad He Is Shooting Hes Still A Shooter And A Veteran So A Defender Would Have To Be Near Him Or Up On Him, In Woodsons Eyes This Stretches The Deffense Just A Little To Where Joe Or Crawford Can Get To A Open Spot And Jack Up A Shoot. But With Teague Out There I Doubt If A Defender Would Play Him As Heavy Or Close Leaving Him A Lil Free To Contest Shots And Possible Double Team, And Woodsons Prob Sees That As It Would Be 5 vs 4 With The Advantage Going To The Other Team

northcyde

May 5th, 2010
3:57 am

We are NOT Charlotte.

We can’t play like Charlotte.

We must do what WE do.

That’s what we can’t deviate from. Asking this team to simply do things that they are not comfortable with doing, is only going to make the situation worse.

Mystikal

May 5th, 2010
4:00 am

We need to trade Bibby and Marvin Williams for some draft picks or whatever we can get. Then we need to be @ Chris Bosh doorstep the first second of free agency and offer him a percentage of the team if necessary!!!!!!!!!!

Jokeman 4000

May 5th, 2010
4:03 am

*North Clyde* Im Assuming That Comment Was Directed To One Of My Previous Comments Lol.

But I Wasnt Say Play Like Them I Was Just Saying Just Drive In Even If You Know Your Shot Will Be Contested Like Crawford He Is Good At Driving In The Lanes He Should Use That You Never No How A Game Can Change When You Be Aggresive And Take The Ball To The Rim. Calls Could Start Going Your Way 2 More Free Throw Attempts, Other Team Foul Trouble, Open Players From The Corners Etc Just Alot Can Happen.

Mystikal

May 5th, 2010
4:05 am

Also learn to draft players with some heart from now on. More Al Horford, less Marvin Williams. We need to get up high in the first round to get a center to develop (Hassan Whiteside). And later look at some guys who have skill and heart to go with their talent (Armon Johnson, Elliott Williams, Jordan Crawford, Greivis Vasquez).