Atlanta Hawks: Do They Still Believe?

ORLANDO–It says something about how badly the Hawks got thrashed in Game 1 that they already are taking questions about their state of mind.

Also telling: The Hawks, emboldened against their critics after rallying to beat Milwaukee, realize these already are relevant questions against Orlando.

It was just one game, but it was an embarrassment.

“Yeah, it is,” J.J. said at practice today. “But it happens. Put it behind us and move on.”

They’ll get that chance tomorrow in Game 2. Until then, there are those questions.

Do they believe they can beat the Magic in a playoff series when they hardly ever beat them anymore? Can they win at Amway Arena when they keep getting blasted there and aren’t a good road playoff team to begin with? Do they really trust that they have the people and the plan to pull this off?

“I think we can beat them,” J.J said. “We just have to be poised and take our time on both ends of the court.”

“You look at it as a fluke,” Jamal said.

But how can that be when they’ve lost by more than 30 points three of their last four times here? When the Magic has won 7 of their last 8 games against the Hawks? When the Hawks’ offense so often stalls and the defense couldn’t slow the Magic’s inside or outside game?

“If it was a 15-point win, we can kind of be like, ‘Wow, they just beat us,’” Jamal said. “But 40-something points? They are not 40-something points better than us.”

So a day after taking the largest L in the franchise’s Atlanta history, the Hawks went back to work. Before they could even begin to consider their considerable problems with tactics and planning, the Hawks tried to fend off any creeping thoughts about the Magic just being better, period.

The Hawks have to win at Amyway to win this series. Woody said he still thinks they can do both.

“Sure, I do,” Woody said. “Without a doubt I do. But they’ve got to believe, too.”

How does he convince them?

“If we can just be competitive here for four quarters and make it a game, win or lose,” he said. “Make it a game. And then you go home and handle your business at home, which we’ve done. Anything can happen but we can’t just be lopsided like [Game 1].

“And I’ve got to take responsibility for that as the coach. I don’t always put it on the players. As the coach, I’ve got to take full responsibility. I’ve got to get them over the hump for four quarters.”

The Hawks spent a lot of time looking at the first quarter from Game 1, trying to reinforce the idea that if they do follow the plan they can score on the Magic. In that period, the Hawks made 11 of 26 shots with five assists, two turnovers, 16 points in the paint and eight points in transition. They still took a lot of long jump shots [3 of 8] but moved the ball to get open looks and had eight points in transition and 16 in the paint.

And then the second quarter happened. Woody put it on the bench.

“[The Magic] didn’t do anything different,” Woody said. “They just substituted.”

The Hawks didn’t spend too much time looking at those three quarters after the first. Well, really, the 2 1/2 quarters when the Magic was still playing and the Hawks hadn’t yet officially surrendered.

Guess they figured it’s probably better for their collective psyche to look more at the good from the first period than all that bad that came later.

“It was good for us to look at the first quarter and see some of the positive things that we did do early,” Joe said. “And that the gameplan does work as long as you stick to it. In the second quarter, we got out of the game plan, started forcing a lot of things offensively. And defensively we just collapsed.”

Woody thought the Hawks did a pretty good job against Dwight Howard. The Hawks wanted to limit his dunks but he got four of his eight field goals that way.

Howard went baseline for two dunks, one past Zaza and another past Al. He caught a lob dunk when Bibby didn’t chase the ballhander on a pick-and-roll and forced Al to help off Dwight. Dwight got yet another dunk when Pietrus easily blew past Bibby and got in middle of the lane to bounce a pass to Dwight on the baseline.

Woody said Howard’s baseline and pick-and-roll dunks “should never happen.” The Hawks wanted to deny Howard the ball but Woody said all the foul calls held them back.

“They called it a little close,” he said. “There were a couple of times where I thought Jason didn’t get a chance to defend him before the whistle blew. That is going to happen. We’ve just got keep banging him.”

Woody said he probably will activate Randolph Morris, who was out sick for Game 1. But neither Morris nor any of the other centers can do anything about the Hawks’ problems guarding the Magic on the perimeter.

It might be a personnel issue. The Hawks’ weak perimeter defense is a major liability in this series and they don’t have the advantage inside like they did against Milwaukee. The Hawks have Bibby, J.J., Jamal, and Mo chasing VC, Jameer Nelson, Redick, J-Will, Pietrus and Ryan Anderson. For the Hawks there’s an imbalance of numbers and an abundance of bad matchups.

It didn’t help that the Hawks were back to those timid closeouts.

“A couple of times we were too lax for sure,” Jamal said. “We were giving their shooters good, clean, open looks. You have got to run them off the line a little bit. Make them think about putting it down. That can change a person’s [shooting] percentage for sure.”

The Hawks will try to be better at that and all the other things they didn’t do in Game 1. They press on in the face of serious doubts.

It’s true that the Hawks overcame dire straits against Milwaukee but nothing like this. There was always the feeling that if the Hawks played to their potential against Milwaukee they would win the series. Now there are questions about their ability to play to their potential against the Magic and, if they do, if that will be enough to win at Amway Arena.

Even after Game 1, the Hawks say they still believe it can be done.

“It’s a new day,” Jamal said.

MC

189 comments Add your comment

Ryan

May 5th, 2010
5:22 pm

Fire WOODY woodpecker… Im sick of him looking like a constipated Mr. Potato Head on the sidelines during a blowout!

JeJe

May 5th, 2010
5:25 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

May 5th, 2010
5:29 pm

“But how can it be that when the Magic lost by asasas the last asasasas?”

Dude, I was thinking the EXACT SAME THING earlier today…

Dooley

May 5th, 2010
5:31 pm

No This Does Not Happen.You are professional athletes.Play like it.The only hawk that played hawks basketball was josh smith.Joe johnson needs to stop hogging the ball so much and stop missing so many shots.Woodson needs to start running plays again and stp running so many isolations.I dnt even play and I was embarrased as a fan.The hawks have potential to be a contender but lack leadership.Someone that will take it in his own hands

Najeh Davenpoop

May 5th, 2010
5:35 pm

“Last week I said that if the Atlanta Hawks’ IQ was any lower, they would be this water bottle — that was an insult to this water bottle.”

–Mike Wilbon

NUNNA!!

May 5th, 2010
5:36 pm

Dooley,
Thats part of woody’s game plan,and thats to let joe play iso and hog the ball..woody does not know that everyone is watchng you in the regular season and that you can’t play the same fluke offense in the post season..

Also,i don’t think it would hurt to put not only collins in the next go round,but also randmo and let horford play some PF

NUNNA!!

May 5th, 2010
5:38 pm

najey!!
did mike say that for real???
dang!!!!!!!

don’t get on my team like dat!!
its not the team,its da system we’re in and woody is running

NUNNA!!

May 5th, 2010
5:39 pm

CORRECTION:NAJEH

Michael Cunningham

May 5th, 2010
5:43 pm

@najeh: ha, funny. this thing went live before i was ready. feel like i got caught by an open mic.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 5th, 2010
5:45 pm

“That’s why I’ll challenge people everytime Teague’s name is brought up. What is going on with the Hawks has nothing to do with Teague. That’s on the coach and the core players. But Teague is not the solution to ANYTHING around here either.”

You don’t know that and you can’t prove it, just like I can’t prove that Teague will be the very good player and possible All-Star that I think he can be. Neither of us know what the Hawks have in Teague, because Woody refuses to give him a fair opportunity to show what he’s got. However, both of us know what the Hawks have in Bibby — an overpaid, inconsistent jump shooter that Sekou Smith could probably take off the dribble. Maybe Teague as a starter makes a minimal impact. But the chances that he will be WORSE than Bibby if given a fair shot to play with the starters are slim to none, because quite frankly Bibby is terrible.

If you absolutely can’t stand the thought of giving minutes to the guy you picked ahead of Darren Collison, then fine. Start Crawford. Start Evans. Sign Tyronn Lue off the Celtics’ coaching staff and start him. Bring Cenk Akyol over here and start him. But for the love of God, put Bibby’s unproductive azz on the bench where it belongs. I distinctly remember you mentioning something along the lines of “if you can ball you will play in this league”. Well, Bibby ain’t ballin’. So why the F-CK is he playing?

Charles

May 5th, 2010
5:51 pm

Please Fire Woody. I’m sure he is an okay guy but he is terrinle coach! He is one of the main problems. Here is Hall of Fame Coaching vs. Mike Woodson: The Jazz have made to the second round with only two players drafted from the 1st round (Boozer and D.Williams). Everyone else was drafted in later rounds or they weren’t even drafted at all. But they still manage to compete night in and night out. We (the hawks) have all this talent but get beaten by an average of 24 points a game on the road.But the problem thats bigger then even Mike Woodson is ownership. We have too many owners. And each one just wants to keep money in their pockets. They don’t want to win championships b/c they don’t want to pay the big bucks. I challenge them to prove me wrong! Go out and get us another young star shooting guard (Rudy Gay) to replace Joe. Go get us a center so Al can play PF. Go get us good coach (Marc Jackson). I dare you. Listen I love the Hawks, in fact I Love all Atlanta teams, but facts are facts. Just try PLEASE

MAD-DONNA

May 5th, 2010
5:53 pm

FREE WOODY!!!!!!!!!!!! Only an idiot would think that he can not give a player significant playing time most of the season, then bring him in to stop the most physical center in the NBA!

cp

May 5th, 2010
5:54 pm

lol@najeh. I said it in an earlier blog, letting Teague play cant be any worse than what Bibby is doing now. Play Teague and tell the youngin to push the ball every chance he has and attack the rim. He might get his shot blocked but at the least he might force the refs to start calling some fouls down there. And he gets his teammates easy shots something Bibby cant do. And he also can put pressure on the opposing guard something else Bibby cant do. If you’re going to get beat down again at least try something different.

Ree Roe

May 5th, 2010
5:58 pm

MC, we are the Hawks. You referred to us as the HEATS in one of your paragraphs.

As for thursday, I’m expecting a 20 pt blowout & some close games at the highlight. SMH @ last night’s disaster

-REElish for Roe!!

Najeh Davenpoop

May 5th, 2010
6:00 pm

“And this is what I’ll say about Teague. When he is in the game with the 1st unit, couldn’t he take it upon himself to try to do something outside of the set offense, to try to make an impact? Couldn’t he get the ball, and push it up the floor, even if the coach instructs him to get the ball to JJ or Jamal?”

You seriously think this is a realistic expectation? The guy barely plays as it is, so obviously at this point he just goes out there and tries to do exactly what Woody tells him to do, which is to give it to Jamal or Joe and get out of the way, and HE’S supposed to defy the coach and make something happen? How about asking our precious veteran guards to defy the coach and share the ball? How about asking them to defy the coach and move without the ball? How about asking them to defy the coach and avoid the switching defense when it clearly isn’t working?

“Najeh said that Teague had better leadership qualities than Bibby.”

No, I said that Bibby has no significant leadership qualities — or any other qualities for that matter, aside from jump shooting — that justify giving him playing time. Whether Teague has leadership qualities or not, I have no idea, but we won’t know unless he gets a chance to play. You can’t lead anyone when you are sitting on the bench watching.

Anyway, my original post that started this discussion didn’t even say that Teague should be getting more minutes in this series. It said that he should be the starting point guard going into next season’s training camp. I actually agree with you that the Hawks won’t benefit from getting away from what they are accustomed to doing all season. The problem is, what they have been doing all season is predictably getting them annihilated against a well-coached, talented team like the Magic.

bigdave

May 5th, 2010
6:01 pm

bigdave

((April 6th, 2010))
10:24 pm

-there is no way a young talented player (baller) can reach his potential as a pro if every time he see’s action he’s playing for minutes. you’ll either try to do too much, or do too little by playing timid. this is where Woodson FAILS.
-Jamal Crawford is not a PG
-i really feel Jeff could get 10 assist in his sleep (watched too often 2nd unit bigs fumble or not finish his dishes)
-how often do regular rotation players make “impact plays”

Ramon

May 5th, 2010
6:03 pm

Michael I know you wish you were in South Beach, but you confused the Hawks with the “Heat” in this piece lol.

Ryan

May 5th, 2010
6:03 pm

I wouldnt even trust woody to pour me a bowl of captain crunch let alone get us to the ECF

Najeh Davenpoop

May 5th, 2010
6:08 pm

“And the more I think about it, the more I believe that INITIALLY, the Hawks should double the hell out of Dwight Howard in the 1st quarter of the game to get the ball out of his hands. That’ll protect our big people from getting in foul trouble, and it will force the Magic to make jumpshots right out of the gate.”

Disagree. The last thing the Hawks want is for those Magic jump shooters to get into a rhythm early, because it will be damn near impossible for the Hawks to break that rhythm at that point. Then, with their suspect perimeter defense, they will just open themselves up to Nelson and Carter driving and either throwing alley oops to Howard or passing to a wide open Lewis, Barnes, Redick, and whoever else on the 3-point line. That’s a recipe for a blowout. Yesterday, from my recollection, the Magic hit at least 50% of the 3 point attempts they got off Howard double teams.

The Hawks are still better off doing what they did for the first five minutes of yesterday’s game and for all of the March 24 game — clamp down on the 3-point shooters and live with whatever Howard manages to get.

Of course — and I’ve probably typed a similar sentence to this about 50 times since the playoffs started — if they insist on not sharing the ball on offense, they can play 12 on 5 defense and they will still lose.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 5th, 2010
6:16 pm

“People can’t get it twisted on what the main problem is offensively . . . making shots. Back in the game in March, we survived that initial run that they went on because we started making jumpshots in that 2nd quarter . . . long jumpshots. Bibby, Mo Evans, and Crawford combined to make 5 threes in that quarter.”

Oh come on. This is like saying the Braves’ main problem is scoring runs. Of course the Hawks have to make shots, but there are ways to make that easier, and the Hawks refuse to use them. In the March 24 game, they shared the ball and took the rhythm jumpers that resulted. If they keep going one-on-five, they will NEVER get rhythm jumpers against this team. Nobody in the league, not even the Magic, can just rise up and make shots randomly with no ball movement.

cp

May 5th, 2010
6:28 pm

bigdave , playing Crawford at pg is yet another reason why I’m not a fan of Woodrow. He is known to play guys out of position. The object is to play towards a guys strengths but Woodrow rarely does that. He would play Flip at pg last season when it was clear to anybody Flip is better suited at the 2 guard. He is not a pg. I remember when he would play Chillz at the pg which would make him ineffective because now he was bringing the ball up the court instead of hanging around the baseline which made him so effective. Yea Chillz could bring the ball up but he was best suited cutting and moving……Woodrow still hasn’t realized when he has Crawford at the point the ball movement suffers. The guy is not a pg………….I know some will discredit the last game of the season but there were a lot of things I liked about that game. The pg actually handled the ball instead of passing it off. The pg set up his teammates for easy open shots. The pg drove and kicked the ball. The offense wasn’t iso iso iso. Guys shared the ball and I saw guys cutting and moving. I don’t even remember a scoring lapse that game. I really wish we would play more like that.. Let the pg actually be a pg and have guys moving and sharing the ball and cutting to the rim for easy shots.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 5th, 2010
6:28 pm

“This is what I’m talking about Grandad. We CAN’T win this series playing inside-out. Our inside guys can’t score on Dwight. Horford Neither Smoove nor Horford have the back to the basket offensive skills to get that done. ”

Playing inside-out and relying on inside scoring are two entirely different things. Horford is not going to score much in this series, and although Smoove has a somewhat favorable matchup against Rashard Lewis, he can only go with his left hand and it probably won’t take Dwight too long to realize that. But the Hawks would benefit a lot from getting Smoove the ball in the post with the full expectation that he passes it out to one of the perimeter shooters. Smoove is the most willing passer on this team, and he is the one guy who consistently hits perimeter jump shooters in rhythm when he gets them the ball. In the case of Joe, Jamal, etc. they pass the ball only after exhausting every one-on-one option and allowing the defense plenty of time to regroup, which means the recipient of their pass is never receiving the ball in a favorable position to score. Smoove only has to score often enough to keep the defense honest in order for playing inside-out to work.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 5th, 2010
6:33 pm

Let me re-post this link bigdave posted on the previous blog — more good stuff from Sekou on Mayhem in the AM.

http://www.790thezone.com/instantreplay/Episodes.aspx?PID=1345

dstdeelite

May 5th, 2010
6:40 pm

Are we talking about the Heat or the Hawks?

Dr. Dave

May 5th, 2010
6:40 pm

Mike Woodson is proving what his coaching skills really are in the playoffs. He can argue about an increase in win totals during the regular season for 5 years. With the talent they have acquired over the past few years, winning more during the regular season is a no brainer, especially in the Eastern Conference. Their record has been deplorable on the road, especially at the end of this season. Scotty Skiles schooled him over 7 games, without Andrew Bogut or Michael Redd on the court. Aside from Dwight Howard’s obvious abilities, most of the talent of Orlando is not better than ours. What everyone should take notice is that the Magic blew us out by playing Team Ball. For some reason, Woody thinks that when the game is on the line we should go to isolation plays with Joe and now Jamal. The other players are left to stand around until the shot clock runs down. We are far better when the ball is mooving around and all players are involved in the offense. Lastly there is no excuse for EVER not playing their guts out on defense.

vava74

May 5th, 2010
6:41 pm

“Superman always soars above the crowd when playing against poorly coached, undersized teams — like Atlanta, and unlike Charlotte.”*

This would give a beautiful sample for Joe Smith next tune!

* Charley Rosen @ msn.foxsports.com

Brian Hunt

May 5th, 2010
6:43 pm

In order to beat the Magic, the Hawks have to get rebounds. Period. The Magic are a good 3 point shooting team because they aren’t afraid to shoot them because Howard gives them a chance to get offensive rebounds if they miss. If you look back at the championship finals last season, the Lakers out rebounded them and took advantage of their inexperience. The Hawks forget their fundamentals and stop their ball movement, miss shots and get no second chances because they don’t rebound as well as the Magic. They have to move the ball on offense to get away from the Magic’s double teams, and go for the offensive rebounds when they miss.

Grandad

May 5th, 2010
7:06 pm

northcyde: [from last blog]

I’m sorry if you got you’re feelings hurt.
I didn’t intend for my humor to come across as name calling.
For that, I apologize, sincerely.
I am an advocate for tasteful discourse on this blog.
I can assure you that if malice were intended,
you would surely know it.
I too, enjoy good conversation about the sport I love.
I will continue to pull your leg, if the situation warrants,
as I have done with others on this board.
If you leave yourself open for parody, I may not be able to
restrain myself. So, If you say something as funny as benching
Al & starting Zaza, plus your really serious when you say it,
a spoof might just be in order!
However, I’ve noted your sensitivity.
Sincerely, G-dad.

FSJR

May 5th, 2010
7:08 pm

Good article, I like the details. “I think we can beat them” (JJ). “You look at it like a fluke” (Jamaal). “…I’ve got to take full responsibility…” (Woodson). They felt it better to concentrate on the first quarter not the remaining three (paraphrasing MC). I watched the game. The article revealed excuses, denial, and coach-speak. I usually have a drink per quarter while watching the Hawks play but could only have one drink and a sip during this game. I didn’t want to be under the influence if my screaming and cursing caused the neighbors to call the cops.

hoho

May 5th, 2010
7:08 pm

posted this the other day but….WHERE IS JOE SMITH??? is he hurt? is he actually in-active?
i don’t get it. thought he was part of the new improved bench for playoffs. ain’t that why sund brought him in?

Astro Joe

May 5th, 2010
7:25 pm

Glad to hear that the Hawks aren’t ready to have dirt poured over them.

bjb

May 5th, 2010
7:30 pm

I have three comments or questions about the Hawks

1 Mike Bibby is to slow to guard the other teams point guard.
2 Marvin Williams must score more or bench him.
3 Why wait until playoffs to play Jason Collins, why not use him in regular season so just maybe he could understand this basketball not football.

O'Brien

May 5th, 2010
7:56 pm

From the previous blog,

@northcyde,

I like the idea of starting ZaZa, and bring Al off the bench. One of the other blogging regulars had suggested the same thing earlier in the year when we were playing the Magic.

MC,

Have you gotten a chance to ask JJ if he’s doing ok? He has had 4 sub-par games in a row, and that’s very unlike him. Is his thumb still bothering him? Is he tired?

As for the Hawks believing, I’m sure they do. They believe when they’re in practicing, the believe when the game just starts, they believe when they’re leading. But once the Magic punch them in the mouth (on the road), more often than not, all their belief goes out the window (regardless of what they say).

And I dont know if there is anything Woody can do to change that this late in the season.

Marc

May 5th, 2010
8:01 pm

THE STARTING LINE TOMMORROW NEEDS TO BE:
C- JASON COLLINS (STAY ON DWIGHT) MAKE HIM SHOOT FREE THROWS (DOUBLE PUMP ON SHOTS-GET DWIGHT IN THE AIR (GO HARD!)
PF- AL HORFORD (INSIDE OUT GAME) MAKE THE RESPECT THE MID RANGE JUMPER
SF- JOSH SMITH (ROAM AND HELP)(DRIVE TO THE HOLE ON OFFENSE)
SG- JOE JOHNSON (HOLD DOWN VC) PASS THE BALL/PICK AND ROLL
PG- JAMAL CRAWFORD (TIRE OUT J. NELSON & REDDICK) GO TO THE HOLE

BENCH ROTATION
BIBBY OR TEAGUE (DEPENDING ON HOW BIBBY PLAYS)(PG)
MARVIN WILLIAMS (SF)
ZAZA (PF & C)
RANDOLH MORRIS (C)

The Truth

May 5th, 2010
8:17 pm

Woody said this:

“There were a couple of times where I thought Jason didn’t get a chance to defend him before the whistle blew. That is going to happen. We’ve just got keep banging him.”

My sentiments exactly; since I have already chastised Woody for not playing Collins enough during the regular season in preparation for this moment, I won’t rub it in again here. I think Collins is the only player we have on the roster that can match D Howard strength and size but certainly not his quickness though. But still, he is a smart veteran that can frustrate him if given the minutes. Woody should stay with him and anoint Collins as the “Hammer” and give him a unique responsibility as if his next contract depended on it. Since playoff basketball is a game of adjustments, Woody must go for the jugular if he expects to win this series. If he continues to be stubborn, inflexible and predictable, this thing will be over in 4.

DP

May 5th, 2010
8:26 pm

How about that quote from Woodson about just making it competitive in game 2, “win or lose” and then taking care of business at home? He ran up the white flag when he put Jason Collins in the game in the first quarter of game 1, now he’s all but conceding game 2.

To put last night’s embarrassment in perspective, the biggest margin of victory by a #1 seed over a #16 seed in the first round of this year’s men’s NCAA tournament was 29 points and the Hawks lost by 43.

banks

May 5th, 2010
8:33 pm

Here is the problem eveyone on this bolg is racking their brains to try to figure out the game plan for the hawks. The problem is we do not match up with the Magic. If syles makes fights then syles make bakestball games. Our syle of play does not match up well against Orlando. For the past five years we have never been able to close out on three point shooters and that is what Orlando does well shoot threes. The only way we beat Orlando is mental lasp by the Magic. Our problem is a combination of personel and coaching. MC wrote an article three days ago aluding to the low iq of our team and the difficult job Woody has in conveying simple concepts to theses guys. The is atheltic but not smart. That may be a reason for the iso joe, because this may be the only play mentally they can handle. So I am not excusing Woody but lets look at the whole picture. Our team maybe be like the fine girl at club. Looks good bangin body but outside of the bedroom and the club she has no substance and is dumb as hell.

Also Marvin Williams has to go he is a liablity on offense and defense. He cant hit an open shot and he consistantly messes up a fast break. Boy how different the team would be if we had Deron Williams. Marvin has to hit the open shot if not his man will be allowed to roam and double team.

If you Fire Woody take Marvin with him, but we can’t because we signed this guy to 5year 35 million dollar contract. Marvin is like herpes useless, agrevating and you can’t get rid of it

Fundamentals

May 5th, 2010
8:41 pm

First quarter looked great….and then we just gave up after they got a 5 pt lead? We checked out. Unprofessional, immature, no leadership. It falls on every player and coach on the team. They let us down. Nothing else can be said.

If you’re going to sell out, why beat the Bucks? At least they deserved the chance to try? We just rolled over. Change is needed, now or after the season. Your future is in your hands!

northcyde

May 5th, 2010
8:44 pm

@ Astro Joe . . . you know Woody is not going to let this team panic like that. JJ and Jamal know that they’re the ones that can’t let blowouts like that happen.

If I ever come down with depression or something of that nature, I want Woody to be my psychologist. Woody could be in a car, sinking in a lake, and he’d be like . . . . “I’m not scared. I’ll break outta here and swim to the top in a minute.”

@ Grandad . . . LOL, you dudes ain’t phazing me one bit man. I had discussions going on with about 4 different people on that last blog.

@ Najeh . . . which means that guys will still have to make shots, when Smoove does the exact same thing that you talk about Jj and Jamal doing.

Cause let’s be real at what we’re talking about here. You’re talking about running offense through Josh Smith down on the block, in what is essentially an ISO situation. If you’re talking inside-out, he’s down on the blocks ( or because he posts up to far from the basket at times . . about 15 ft away from the hoop ).

So basicaly, instead of JJ running ISO, it’s Smoove running ISO.

Smoove get the ball, looks for a cutter or a shooter on the perimeter. By the time the clock goes to 10 seconds, and if no double team has come, Smoove has to make the decision on how he wants to make his move to the hole. If someone comes open as he’s making his move, he passes.

So while it’s not the dribble ISO that JJ does, it’s still ISO.

The position I like Josh Smith with the ball, is in an ISO situation in the high post. This is where he can face his man and take him off the dribble. If his man plays too far off, ( which he usually does ), he’ll take the ill-advised 18 footer.

But Smoove is defintely one of the best passers on the team. When Woody uses him in the point forward role, it enhances his game. But he has to be scoring, in order for the defense to respect his offense.

Grandad

May 5th, 2010
8:51 pm

Someone mentioned Bibby’s leadership.
If body language says anything to that regard:
check out bibby on the main [Hawks] page.
Tell me he exudes leadership…Ha!
One would assume the game is still in progress.
Joe’s body language (appears to be suppressing a smile)
is not much better.
Nit-picking; not if you are a leader.
Bob Knight:
last game…next game theory.
“Forget the last one, win or lose & move on to the next one.”
As leaders they should have been offering encouragement,
should have been pissed off, something, anything, getting ready
for the next game as that one was playing out.
Gettin’ mad, that Orl. was layin’ it on us, anything…emotion.
Just sittin’ there like they are embarrassed. [probably were/so what]
Wdsn, sittin’ down there just letting his team take a beating,
not doing anything. Use all your TO’s, get tossed out,
turn a summersault, do something to show some fire in your belly!
We care & have more emotion on this board than Wdsn/Bibby/& Joe.
Next game start:
*Teaguer
*Mario
*Josh
*Al
*Zaza
@ least they will GATA!!!

Grandad

May 5th, 2010
9:10 pm

nc – If it was not fazing you then why did you mention it?
However, I’m glad your not easily fazed.
I would hate to phase you out as one of my blog friends.
By the way, overlook my sense of humor;
it’s just a phase I’m goin’ through.

Grandad

May 5th, 2010
9:12 pm

uh oh – *you’re

lewis

May 5th, 2010
9:46 pm

teage, rudy gay, al horford

Najeh Davenpoop

May 5th, 2010
10:13 pm

“If I ever come down with depression or something of that nature, I want Woody to be my psychologist. Woody could be in a car, sinking in a lake, and he’d be like . . . . “I’m not scared. I’ll break outta here and swim to the top in a minute.” ”

You’re right… but Woody’s solution will be to keep pressing the gas pedal as hard as you can and hope the car accelerates out of the water.

northcyde

May 5th, 2010
10:23 pm

Lol grandad . . . I mentioned it because it was you who snapped at me a few weeks ago. Then the other day you asked something along the lines of why do I attack or belittle people who disagree with me.

So me being the rational and logical blogger that I am, I was simply being good, even though people were ( sniff ) . . belittling me for my opinions.

But I’m like NEO in The Matrix. I can evade all that stuff with no problem.

Sarcasm by you, or anybody else, is always welcome.

Nate ArchiBALL

May 5th, 2010
10:28 pm

2009-10 NBA All-Defensive Team
First Team
Position Player, Team
Center Dwight Howard, Orlando
Guard Rajon Rondo, Boston
Forward LeBron James, Cleveland
Guard Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers
Forward Gerald Wallace, Charlotte

Second Team
Position Player, Team 1st 2nd Points
Center Tim Duncan, San Antonio
Guard Dwyane Wade, Miami
Forward Josh Smith, Atlanta
Forward Anderson Varejao, Cleveland
Guard Thabo Sefolosha, Oklahoma City

Nate ArchiBALL

May 5th, 2010
10:36 pm

2009-10 NBA Defensive Player of the Year
PLAYER TEAM Total Points
Dwight Howard Orlando 576
Josh Smith Atlanta 136
Gerald Wallace Charlotte 113
LeBron James Cleveland 61
Rajon Rondo Boston 55
Ron Artest Los Angeles Lakers 29
Andrew Bogut Milwaukee 23
Thabo Sefolosha Oklahoma City 20
Anderson Varejao Cleveland 18
Dwyane Wade Miami - 13
Marcus Camby Portland - 13
Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers 9
Shawn Marion Dallas - 8
Tim Duncan San Antonio - 7
Shane Battier Houston - 5
Andrei Kirilenko Utah - 4
Arron Afflalo Denver
David Lee New York
Ben Wallace Detroit -
Brendan Haywood Dallas
Matt Barnes Orlando -
Kendrick Perkins Boston -
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute Milwaukee
Kenyon Martin Denver

Nate ArchiBALL

May 5th, 2010
10:49 pm

Before you ask……
Defensive Player of the Year Award is selected by a panel of 124 sportswriters and broadcasters throughout the United States and Canada, each of whom casts a vote for first, second and third place selections. Each first-place vote is worth five points; each second-place vote is worth three points; and each third-place vote is worth one point. The player with the highest point total, regardless of the number of first-place votes, wins the award.

NBA All Defensive Team – 30 NBA coaches were asked to vote for the first and second defensive team based on position. Coaches were not allowed to vote for their own players.

Grandad

May 5th, 2010
10:50 pm

nc – If I snapped @ you then I apologize for that as well.
gettin’ on up in yrs., so I really don’t remember.
Not sayin’, I didn’t.
Mrs. Grandad’s always sayin’ the same thing:
“Why did you snap @ me?”
Oh well. Whatcha gonna do?
Not you, I’m just lamenting.

bigdave

May 5th, 2010
10:59 pm

good quality basketball on display tonight.. no gimmicks; defense, ball movement, floor spacing, open shots.

either one of these teams could win the World Championship.