Hawks gotta score, too. (Curtis Compton/ccomptoon@ajc.com)
ORLANDO–Quoth super commenter northcyde: “Everyone is talking about doubling Howard and their shotmaking, but no one is talking about our horrendous offensive deficiencies against Orlando.”
Agreed there hasn’t been much talk about the Hawks’ offensive struggles, but Brett LaGree is on it at Hoopinion:
“[T]he dominance of Orlando’s defense against Atlanta’s offense appears not to be an issue of interest on the eve of the series. Seriously, Orlando scored 113.3 points per 100 possessions during the regular season. The Hawks allowed 108.3 points per 100 possessions in the regular season. Orlando scored 111.9 points per 100 possessions in the four games against the Hawks. There’s certainly no reason for the Hawks not to try and do better but they didn’t defend Orlando badly (by their standards) while losing three of four games.
Conversely, the Hawks scored 113.5 points per 100 possessions during the regular season. The Magic allowed 105.1 points per 100 possessions in the regular season. The Hawks scored 93.5 points per 100 possessions in the four games against Orlando. There’s massive room (and need) for improvement when the Hawks have the ball.
Granted, the Hawks held Orlando below 1 point per possession in their March 24th victory and that’s the only recent example the Hawks have of beating Orlando. However, Orlando held the Hawks below 1 point per possession each time they played this season. I don’t think it’s realistic for the Hawks, against whom, it must be remembered, Milwaukee surpassed their season offensive efficiency average in 3 of 7 playoff games, to hold Orlando to 88% of their season offensive efficiency average often enough to win a seven-game playoff series.
The Hawks are going to have to find easier ways to score against the Magic to compete in this series. If they have any new and different ideas about how to accomplish that, they’re keeping them quiet.
I’ll throw in my two cents on the topic by booting up the Synergy Sports machine, which could possibly be the Best. Thing. Ever. The Hawks’ numbers by play type in the four games against Orlando:
Isolation: 67 plays, .93 points per possession, 27/59 FG (45.7%)
P-and-R ball handler: 52 plays, .66 points per possession, 9/42 FG (21.4%)
Post-up: 50 plays, .66 points per possession, 11/37 FG(29.7%)
P-and-R roll man: 13 plays, .895 points per possession, 3/9 FG (33.3%)
Spot-up: 89 plays, .975 points per possession, 31/70 FG (44.3%)
Off screen: 17 plays, .94 points per possession, 6/15 FG (40%)
Cut: 29 plays, .94 points per possession, 12/24 FG (50%)
Offensive rebounds: 19 plays, 1.45 points per possession, 9/11 FG (82%)
Transition: 36 plays, .94 points per possession, 14/24 FG (58.3%)
All other play types: 23 plays, .23 points per possession, 2/9 FG (22.2%)
Judging by those numbers, the Hawks probably shouldn’t try Dwight Howard and Co. in the paint. No surprise there. Without looking at each play, I’m also guessing their problems with the pick-and-roll dribbler scoring has to do with venturing into Orlando’s trees. The Hawks might try getting more stuff going to the basket off pick-and-rolls and cuts, and also create more spot-up opportunities. But those kind of plays require player and/or ball movement and the Hawks seem to do commit to these concepts only intermittently.
As for the Hawks players in those four games vs. Orlando:
Johnson: 139 min., .92 points per possession
Josh Smith: 120 min., .77 points per possession
Horford: 119 min., 1.07 points per possession
Crawford: 116 min., .927 points per possession
Williams: 112 min., .965 points per possession
Bibby: 101 min., 1.18 points per possession
Evans: 61 min., 1.76 points per possession
Pachulia: 61 min., .975 points per possession
Teague:18 min., .695 points per possession
West: 13 min., 2.0 points per possession
Joe Smith: 5 min., 2 points per possession
Clearly, this means Mario should play major minutes in this series.
–I picked the Magic in 5 for the paper but now don’t feel good about it. I think it’s an overreaction after I got suckered into thinking the Hawks would have no clunkers against the Bucks and win in 5. I read too much into that last regular-season road game at Milwaukee. Now I think maybe I’m reading too much into the Game 3 surrender and Game 5 meltdown against Milwaukee. Or maybe it’s because the AJC’s Mark Bradley, 0-3 in the first round, is here for Games 1 and 2. He’s picking the Hawks in 7, so I assume he’s counting on Jeff Schultz to make the trip for the series-clincher.
But, seriously, I look at the Magic and see a team with few real weaknesses, at least not many the Hawks are capable of exploiting. Their ability to get open 3-pointers and play smothering team defense will have the Hawks on their heels all series. Still, I believe the Hawks will give a good showing and lose in six.
– Both Orlando Sentinel columnists pick the Magic. George Diaz says Magic in five but will give them a “mulligan” if they finish it in six. His colleague Mike Bianchi says the Magic should beware the Hawks, whom he thinks will lose in seven:
The Hawks have had their wake-up call, much like the Magic did last year in the opening round against Philly when the inferior 76ers jumped out to 2-1 series lead and came within a Hedo Turkoglu buzzer-beater of going ahead 3-1.
“It’s a good analogy,” Magic coach Stan Van Gundy said when I asked if the Hawks of this year remind him of the Magic of last year. “They’re coming off a first-round series in which people weren’t inspired by — same as our first-round series last year. I think there are some definite similarities between how people were talking about a year ago and how people are talking about them now.
“That doesn’t translate into this gym. We all know how good they are. We have tremendous respect for them.”
–Super commenter O’Brien says: “It will be very important for Hawks to crash the boards too. In all 4 games this season, we lost the rebounding battle (-12,-10, -9, and -10).”
Smoove hears you: “We’ve got to box people out. They shoot a lot of threes and there are going to be a lot of long rebounds, so even the guards have to come in and help out. If we gang rebound, we will be cool.”
– Apparently Pietrus is fine after turning his ankle the other day.
– I’m out, Hawks fans.
MC
580 comments Add your comment
northcyde
May 4th, 2010
8:56 pm
Kiki . . because the Bobcats have a much bigger frontline people that they can throw at them.
VenomSpitter
May 4th, 2010
8:56 pm
And Joe once again having a bad game any fool wanna through tons of money at him. Gimme Bosh
bigdave
May 4th, 2010
8:57 pm
we trying to steal baskets cause we are not capable of getting anything by design.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 4th, 2010
8:57 pm
No Howard on the floor now — time to stick to the perimeter guys on defense, attack the rim on offense, control the boards, and cut into this lead.
steven
May 4th, 2010
8:57 pm
joe proving he isn’t worthy of a max deal once again
bigdave
May 4th, 2010
8:57 pm
hell is this backyard basketball..
Najeh Davenpoop
May 4th, 2010
8:57 pm
Joe Johnson looking like a mid-level exception player in this game.
VenomSpitter
May 4th, 2010
8:57 pm
LOL Joe is a ballhoggin bum
Melvin
May 4th, 2010
8:57 pm
WTF is Joe doing???
O'Brien
May 4th, 2010
8:58 pm
Josh has to do better than that. if you’re going to foul him, at least make sure he does not make it.
Hawks defense is horrible. but what makes it worse, is because our offense is terrible. Very little ball movement. And has been the case all season, Crawford is struggling against the Magic again.
I also think Woody might have to give Teague some burn, because Bibby is not giving us much. And maybe Teague can provide a change of pace. its worth a try.
northcyde,
When are we going to see a supernova performance from JJ?
VenomSpitter
May 4th, 2010
8:58 pm
Joe=Robin
bigdave
May 4th, 2010
8:59 pm
Howard or no Howard.. Muggsy Bogues could be down there, we still cant get anything and we’ve proven that all season long. defense was being discussed on this blog cause its already a given that the offense will stink..
VenomSpitter
May 4th, 2010
8:59 pm
Bibby is also a bum. He couldn’t defend a damn statue. Just put Teague in atleast he can move laterally.
northcyde
May 4th, 2010
8:59 pm
LOL . . now people want JJ to save the team. He’s only taken 6 shots, trying to follow the game plan. Bad turnover by him right there. He simply needs to start shooting the ball.
smh @ JJ leading us in rebounds. He almost has more rebounds ( 5 ) than shot attempts ( 6 ).
JJ . . just get your shots up man.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 4th, 2010
9:00 pm
“When are we going to see a supernova performance from JJ?”
He’s looking more like a black hole in this series so far…
Melvin
May 4th, 2010
9:00 pm
OB,
The only way we see Teague is in a blowout. Woody is too scared to play the rookie, especially on the road.
VenomSpitter
May 4th, 2010
9:00 pm
LMAO @ northcyde kising up to his idol Joe
northcyde
May 4th, 2010
9:01 pm
O’Brien . . for JJ to go “supernova”, he has to shoot the ball . . which means that he’s going to have to take and make some difficult shots.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 4th, 2010
9:01 pm
Marvin Barnes LOL
Sautee
May 4th, 2010
9:01 pm
O’Brien,
Mrs. Sautee says JJ IS having a good game.
JJ Redick she says.
bigdave
May 4th, 2010
9:01 pm
Joe just proving to be what he is.. u can bash him if you want, properly used you’d see a differently player…
Najeh Davenpoop
May 4th, 2010
9:01 pm
Another turnover for Joe.
VenomSpitter
May 4th, 2010
9:01 pm
ANother turnover from Joe BUM Johnson
Kiki
May 4th, 2010
9:01 pm
Northcyde,
The Bobcats were willing to DRIVE more. The Hawks are scare of D12, all of them!!! until they change that midset they have no hope. Keep driving no matter how many block shots, just keep doing it!!
bigdave
May 4th, 2010
9:02 pm
*different
VenomSpitter
May 4th, 2010
9:02 pm
Northcyde will defend Joe to his death lol LOSER
northcyde
May 4th, 2010
9:02 pm
Like I said . . . trying to force it to Horford, and he throws a horrible pass.
When he needs to be SHOOTING THE BALL.
Get your shots up JJ.
steven
May 4th, 2010
9:02 pm
Joe hasn’t shot the ball because he’s turned the ball over like 10 times already
bigdave
May 4th, 2010
9:02 pm
not in a position to rebound cause you’re involved in your switch….
VenomSpitter
May 4th, 2010
9:02 pm
LOL Pathetic showing
Najeh Davenpoop
May 4th, 2010
9:02 pm
Vince Carter is looking terrible so far and for some reason the Magic insist on running the offense through him. The Hawks of course can’t take advantage because they refuse to share the ball.
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
May 4th, 2010
9:03 pm
How in the h3ll can someone be a max player on a team when they show up less than half of the time in big games???
Joe = good player to be someone’s robin on a GREAT team
JeJe
May 4th, 2010
9:03 pm
GREAT PLAN BIBBY
DON’T GET DWIGHT INTO FOUL TROUBLE
DONT RUN AN OFFENSE
U !@#$ING SUCK. U COUNT ON BEATING A !@#$%Y MILWAUKEE TEAM FOR GETTING U A NEW CONTRACT.
GOD DAMN U
JeJe
May 4th, 2010
9:03 pm
*WOODY NOT BIBBY DAMNIT
O'Brien
May 4th, 2010
9:03 pm
Another turnover from JJ.
northcyde,
JJ just needs to be JJ. he has not been that for the last two and half games.
I hope Woody is looking what ball movement and player movement look like, because the Hawks have not been known for that in Woody’s 6 seasons.
I’ll say it again. Woody needs to play Teague in the second half. Whats the worst that could happen?
10 points in the second quarter. Wow.
VenomSpitter
May 4th, 2010
9:03 pm
Man northcyde shutup. Joe would be shooting more if he wouldn’t turn it over so damn much
Melvin
May 4th, 2010
9:03 pm
A 10 point qtr…. What a disgrace…
Najeh Davenpoop
May 4th, 2010
9:04 pm
“The Bobcats were willing to DRIVE more. The Hawks are scare of D12, all of them!!! until they change that midset they have no hope. Keep driving no matter how many block shots, just keep doing it!!”
Co-sign. Joe doesn’t need to be getting shots up. For once in his life, he needs to drive inside and draw fouls. Dwight Howard committed one foul in that half. That is unacceptable.
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
May 4th, 2010
9:04 pm
John Salmons = Joe Johnson
VenomSpitter
May 4th, 2010
9:05 pm
I hope Charles and Kenny rip this heartless team
JeJe
May 4th, 2010
9:05 pm
JOHN SALMONS = SLIMMER JOE JOHNSON WHO CAN SCORE AT WILL AND HAS NO EGO
FIRE WOODY
bigdave
May 4th, 2010
9:05 pm
yet again. poor game plan.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 4th, 2010
9:05 pm
For the record, Charlotte only lost one game in their series by more than 10 points.
Melvin
May 4th, 2010
9:05 pm
KiKi,
Agreed with your 9:01 post
northcyde
May 4th, 2010
9:06 pm
Venom . . I’m not defending him. I want him to SHOOT THE BALL. When he only has 6 shots, that’s not going to cut it.
People want this team to play like they did against Milwaukee. that’s not happening folks. Horford does not have the advantage in this series. If we’re going to pull this series out, or even make it competitive, our best ISO and shot creators are going to have to carry us.
Then when that happens, the complimentary guys will have to make plays and knock down shots.
JJ: 2 – 6
Horford: 1 – 6
Crawford: 1 – 7
Can’t win shooting like that.
At least Smoove is having a good game.
bigdave
May 4th, 2010
9:06 pm
“10 point qtr”
we’ve seen this before right..
Taylor
May 4th, 2010
9:06 pm
10 points lmao
Blast
May 4th, 2010
9:07 pm
If Bibby and Jamal are not making shots, and Joe is sucking it up and turning the ball over, and Hawks resort to one on one ball, then forget it. Hawks might be looking at a 40 point blowout if they continue at this pace.
Hawks seems to have shut it down after the 1st qrt. Ball movement came to a grinding halt. Defence was sub par. I saw quite a few rebounds Hawks could have had, had they made the effort, but no, they just allowed Orlando to pick the ball up.
Can’t win playing that way, folks!
welikebaseball2
May 4th, 2010
9:07 pm
Anybody care to place a wager on whether or not Joe & Jamal will total more than 5 assists…between the two of them…for the whole game? I see a sickening pattern here. Game gets tight & we go to the one-on-one garbage. Sickening.
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
May 4th, 2010
9:07 pm
Atleast the CHA games were a bit competitive