They did it. (Curtis Compton/ccompton@ajc.com)
– If you are still mad this series went seven games, can you at least be happy the Hawks closed it out today with no drama?
– Of course about 30 seconds after they clinched everyone wanted to ask them about Orlando. “I am ready to go lay down,” Bibby said. “I don’t even want to think about that. I am not even going to worry about basketball right now.”
– I kinda know how he feels. Looking forward to some Breaking Bad tonight. Get on that show.
– The Magic may have the Hawks’ number. They have Dwight Howard and a bunch of shooters. They have home court advantage. They have a longer history of playing good defense and an even more efficient offense than the Hawks. They were in the Finals last year. They’ve been sitting around waiting for what seems like forever.
– So naturally pretty much everyone will assume all of that means the Hawks won’t have a chance. “That’s how it goes,” Bibby said. “Somebody has to be the underdog. Why not?”
– That comes later. First, the acknowledgment that the Hawks pulled out a hard-fought series. (Warning, warning, lame boxing analogy to follow) Regardless if the Bucks should have been going toe-to-toe with them in the first place, the Hawks were left standing.
– “Guys played their hearts out on Friday and we did the same today,” Smoove said. “We’ve got to have that every game.”
– The Hawks ended up playing some defense in this series. In Games 1-4, the Bucks shot 48 percent, averaged 99 points and led the rebounding tally 159-154. In Games 5-7 the Bucks shot 35 percent, averaged 78 points and trailed 145-115 in rebounding.
– Sure, the Bucks aren’t a very good offensive team even when they have Bogut (though Salmons had made them better) but the Hawks hadn’t been a very good defensive team.
– They were over the final three games of this series. “I know that’s what wins basketball games,” Woody said. “As we move forward, it has got to stay consistent as far as how we defend and rebound. The only way we got out of this series is defend. We did that in Milwaukee, holding them to 69 points and tonight 74 points. It was our defense that came through for us in this series.”
– There will be lots of talk about whether the Hawks take their chances by focusing their defense on Dwight or let him get his and control all those shooters. But it may not be as simple as an either-or proposition, particularly within the flow of each game.
– When Bibby was asked about how Al can handle Dwight, he offered some vet perspective: “I judge teams by how good their team defense is. I remember playing San Antonio and Portland when I was younger and I was just baffled about how they were helping each other and rotating. How tough they made it for everybody to score. I look at it like it’s a team effort.”
– “I think we’ve figured out if we play hard defensively we always give ourselves a chance to win games and we just have to come out and match [Orlando's] intensity,” Al said.
– That kind of sums up the Hawks, doesn’t it? They’ve talked about being a good defensive team for so long and only now seem to have discovered that it actually does make a difference when they back it up. It’s how they beat the Bucks fairly handily in Game 6 and 7 despite some long scoring droughts.
– Al was a beast against the Bucks: 15.6 points, 9.9 rebounds, 2.1 blocks, 56 percent shooting. He had 25 and 11 in Game 5 (overlooked for obvious reasons), 15 and 15 in Game 6 and 16 and 16 in Game 7.
– About the only thing you can pick at Al were the few times he insisted on trying to bull Kurt Thomas to the basket instead of shooting in face-ups and pick-and-ops. But he offered an explanation for that before Game 7: “It’s all about what our guards want us to tun. I can do both. I feel comfortable doing both.”
– The Magic have to deal with Al, too. Dwight didn’t get to be defensive player of the year by chasing quick, athletic guys around on the perimeter. “They have a load down low and we have a guy that makes outside jumpshots in Al,” Josh said. “There are going to be some mismatches in the series. We just have to see where they are at.”
– Another good sign for the Hawks was Marvin getting better at defending and rebounding. Can’t say it enough: If he can do both of those things consistently and sprinkle in a couple games of 15-20 points, that’s a lot.
– Zaza also played better in the final two games. Because of Zaza, the Hawks were even better after Smoove got into foul trouble today. “It didn’t affect anything,” Woody said. “It gave as an opportunity to go big. It gave us an opportunity to move Al to the 4 and put Zaza at the 5. I don’t think we really lost a whole lot. We just continued to flow.”
– For all of the (justified) talk about the Hawks struggling to overcome an opponent with inferior talent, give the Bucks some Ps. Said Zaza: “Of course losing is terrible and no one wants to lose, but they should be proud of [themselves]. I give a lot of credit to Coach Skiles and the players there. They were really fighting. They almost had us.”
– Once Brandon Jennings gets his game under control, look out. “He’s a talented young man,” Woody said. “If he’s able to stay healthy he will have a long career. It’s nice to see a young guy figure it out that early.”
– Woody before the game: “All those people that wrote us off, they don’t dribble one ball up and down that court, they don’t shoot a jump shot, they don’t rebound the ball, they don’t get defensive stops and they surely don’t coach the team. It ain’t about all these people outside our circle. Any team will say that. It’s about the people who go to battle and work in the locker room. I could care less about what you guys write or say.”
– It’s been my experience that coaches and players who say they don’t care about criticism really do care. How can they not? It would bother me if I were in the same position. It’s human nature. That’s why I want to be rich but not famous. Yeah, I know, I’m 0-for-2.
– I’m out, Hawks fans.
MC
181 comments Add your comment
--7 kevin--
May 3rd, 2010
8:58 pm
hawks will win games in atlanta,but lose on the road.
magic in 7 games,4-3
KEEP WOODY!
VenomSpitter
May 3rd, 2010
9:07 pm
FIRE WOODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JeJe
May 3rd, 2010
9:17 pm
IF THERE’S ONE REASON TO USE THE 29 BIG MEN ON THE TEAM THAT DON’T PLAY, THIS SERIES IS IT.
WOODSON NEEDS TO !@#$ING US COLLINS AND RANDMO AND USE THEIR FOULS. DO NOT USE YOUR LAMEASS 6.5 MAN ROTATION AND EXPECT TO WIN. AND THE FACT U DONT KNOW WHAT DEFENSE TO USE ON DWIGHT IS PATHETIC. U KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS LEAGUE
Wabe
May 3rd, 2010
9:43 pm
You guys watching this C’s/Cavs game?
Rondo has 15 assists with 8:00 left in the 3rd.
Melvin
May 3rd, 2010
9:50 pm
If it wasnt for the Refs, the Celtics would be up 25pts….
Blast
May 3rd, 2010
10:07 pm
How come Celts can play Cavs hard at home and possibly win game 2 after coming close to win game 1, but Hawks can’t beat Cavs even when they play them hard? But Hawks swept Celts? The NBA. Go figure.
Rebuild? That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard. No shock it came from a Bucks fans. Hawks have been rebuilding the last five years, and the maturation process is just coming into fruition. They are 2 players away from being true contenders, and you want them to break it up?
I feel Joe and Jamal will stay with Hawks. Even if Joe leaves in a S and T, Hawks still have enough pieces to make some noise in the East.
Melvin
May 3rd, 2010
10:18 pm
The Cavs are not dancing on the sidelines tonight…lol
Samuel
May 3rd, 2010
10:18 pm
Top NBA Point Guards
1. Rondo
2. Williams
3. Rose
4. Parker
5. Paul/Nash
Woody=COY
Melvin
May 3rd, 2010
10:20 pm
Will they annoncers stop making excuses for Lebron. He and his gang is getting their butts whip….
Melvin
May 3rd, 2010
10:23 pm
Sam,
Do you think Rondo could have Utah playing better than Deron? I wouldn’t rank him higher than Williams or Rose. Since Paul been hurt the past 2 seasons, I could see Rondo surpassing him.
Clyde
May 3rd, 2010
10:52 pm
Samuel long time no see
FIRE WOODY
JeJe
May 3rd, 2010
10:54 pm
FIRE MIKE WOODSON
IF THERE’S ONE REASON TO USE THE 29 BIG MEN ON THE TEAM THAT DON’T PLAY, THIS SERIES IS IT.
WOODSON NEEDS TO !@#$ING US COLLINS AND RANDMO AND USE THEIR FOULS. DO NOT USE YOUR LAMEASS 6.5 MAN ROTATION AND EXPECT TO WIN. AND THE FACT U DONT KNOW WHAT DEFENSE TO USE ON DWIGHT IS PATHETIC. U KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS LEAGUE
FIRE WOODY
Samuel
May 3rd, 2010
11:11 pm
Haters COY Ballot
1.S Brooks (Gone Fishing)
2. S Skiles (Gone Fishing)
3. N McMillian (Gone Fishing)
4. J Sloan
5. A Gentry
Real COY Contenders
J Sloan
A Gentry
M Woodson
Woody=COY
Melvin, Yes I would due to the fact that Rondo is a better defender than both of those two hands down.
What’s up Clyde. The Hawks fuc_ed up your wet dream, huh?
northcyde
May 3rd, 2010
11:20 pm
@ Grandad
A sign and trade would be the best case scenario for the Hawks, if we lost JJ. But JJ is an unrestricted free agent at the end of the year, which means that he doesn’t have to agree to a sign and trade. He can just simply sign with somebody straight out.
That;s going to be the dilemma this summer. A team like Chicago doesn’t have to give up anything to sign JJ. When you talk about possible sign and trades, it will be with teams who can’t sign JJ outright, but may want to offer up someone ( or a collection of players ) for him.
Samuel
May 3rd, 2010
11:29 pm
Rondo has the Celtic record for both steals and assists in a single season, he’s now a legit scoring threat from inside and out. Yes, he’s the best all around PG in the league right now.
Samuel
May 3rd, 2010
11:35 pm
I told yall a long time ago that JJ was waiting to see what the Hawks do with Woody. If Woody stays, JJ stays. If the Hawks act stupid and not extend Woody, say good bye to JJ. JJ would not be an All Star without Woody and he knows it and yall do too. Chicago, Philly, possibly Charlotte?
Najeh Davenpoop
May 3rd, 2010
11:37 pm
Rondo doesn’t carry his team’s offense the way Williams and Paul do. He’s still a terrific player who I would rank at #3, ahead of Nash because of his defense, but Rondo has three future Hall-of-Famers as teammates to take the load off of him whereas Williams and Paul have zero.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 3rd, 2010
11:38 pm
“But JJ is an unrestricted free agent at the end of the year, which means that he doesn’t have to agree to a sign and trade. He can just simply sign with somebody straight out.”
If money matters to him at all, he would sign-and-trade instead of signing outright. He can add an extra year’s worth of max money to his contract by agreeing to a sign-and-trade. That’s the incentive for players to agree to that even if they have no intention of helping their soon-to-be former team.
Samuel
May 3rd, 2010
11:50 pm
Naj,
You obviously haven’t been watching the Celtics lately. Rondo is hands down the best player on the Celtics this year. Another thing that gets overlooked is toughness. How many times do you see Rondo get hurt.
What do Hall of famers have to do with playing “great defense”. Paul is out of the question right now because he’s hurt so much. He’s not as tough as Rondo.
Grandad
May 3rd, 2010
11:56 pm
NUNNA:
*Co-sign *ditto *agreed *high five *aye aye *checkmate & *Amen
Grandad
May 4th, 2010
12:00 am
northcyde:
Najeh beat me to it.
That X-tra yr. is the BIG incentive, I would think!
Grandad
May 4th, 2010
12:03 am
To All:
On Joe / That X-tra yr. is ‘OUR’ > advantage, as well!
Grandad
May 4th, 2010
12:23 am
Wdsn ranked the top five pt. guards in the league:
1. Chauncey Billups [coached him in Detroit]
2. Mike Bibby [teacher's pet]
3. Jason Kidd [ran into him once in Atl]
4. Andre Miller [he's old too]
5. Anthony Johnson [said he ought to be starting for Orlando]
*Iverson – If active, he moves up to # 3[coached him in Philly]
*Nah – [He's Canadian]
Grandad
May 4th, 2010
12:27 am
Wdsn:
When asked how he chose those particular point guards?
“They’ve got experience, man, and that’s huge”!
Grandad
May 4th, 2010
12:27 am
Wdsn:
When asked how he chose those particular point guards?
“They’ve got experience, man, and that’s huge”!
Grandad
May 4th, 2010
12:28 am
uh oh / must have mashed the button twice!
R. Bobby
May 4th, 2010
12:48 am
On the topic of top point guards, there is absolutely no way that Rondo is at the top of that list. He may be the best defensive point-guard in the league, statistic-wise, but when you talk about overall play, Deron Williams is leagues above him. Deron Williams has something that Rondo definitely does not: a consistent jumpshot. Rondo may never become as good offensively, in his entire career, as deron williams is right now. Also, williams is a superior playmaker because not only is he a terrific passer who reads the defense well, but he attracts much more defensive attention, due to his scoring ability, which leaves teammates open to score (and he finds them). You can’t afford to leave Deron Williams open anywhere inside or even just beyond the three-point line because he will make you pay, where defenders can game with rondo and give him space, as long as they are able to stay with him when he drives. I’m not trying to take anything away from Rondo, he’s a terrific young point guard, but to put him above Deron Williams, overall, is just insane.
northcyde
May 4th, 2010
12:49 am
OK @ Najeh . . . that makes sense. I doubt Chicago would give up their key pieces to get JJ though. I’d hope the Hawks wouldnt fall for something, like taking on Hinrich’s contract or worse, Luou Deng ( to replace Marvin at SF ) + a draft pick, for JJ.
But if all Chicago could offer was a 5 – 90 deal ( just tossing figures out there ) . . but could get a 6 – 100 deal in a sign and trade, then you’re right . . JJ would probably agree to the sign and trade.
I’d be mad as hell if that’s all we could get for a 4-time All-Star though. A deal like that wouldn’t help us at all. It’ll just give us extra bodies, and a reason to send Marvin to the bench ( although to me, Deng isn’t much of an upgrade over Marvin ).
northcyde
May 4th, 2010
12:52 am
As for the PG debate, give me both Williams and Paul over Rondo. Rondo is very good though, and would definitely make this squad much better than what it is right now. We’d give up some outside shooting, but gain a hell of a defender and a very good passer.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 4th, 2010
1:24 am
Yeah, I just don’t see any way the Hawks can get equal value for Joe in a sign-and-trade unless Miami’s GM gets drunk and sign-and-trades Wade for him. The only other half-decent idea I can think of is sending him to New Jersey for a package including the #1 pick (if they get it) and using it on Evan Turner, and even that is no guarantee (Mike Conley looked like the next CP3 at OSU, and look how that turned out). I can’t think of any realistic package of current NBA players another team could send the Hawks that would even come close to equaling JJ in value. Maybe the max is too much for a player like him, like many people think, but the alternative is much worse for the Hawks in my opinion.
Samuel
May 4th, 2010
8:19 am
Insane according to who? Just watch the games and let me know when it’s all said and done. Naj, didn’t Bird, Magic,Russell, and many other greats play with Hall of Famers?