Atlanta Hawks Squawks Game 6: Hawks 83, Bucks 69

MILWAUKEE– There were a lot of doubts about the Hawks but after this stirring W they deserve to squawk a bit. So let them.

– “It was gut-check time for us,” Al said. “It really defines what our team is about.”

– “When we play the right way, we can beat anybody,” Jamal said.

– “Everyone counted us out except the people in this locker room,” Smoove said.

– The Hawks finally asserted their will on the Bucks. They shared the ball and got open jumpers. They went inside when the advantage was there. And, most of all, they defended the hack out of the Bucks for long stretches.

– Milwaukee shot just 32.9 percent from the field, their worst shooting game of the regular season and playoffs. “What really won the game was defense,” J.J. said. “I don’t think we’ve been that active all season.”

– Give Woody credit. The Hawks started off showing and recovering on screens instead of switching. That left them vulnerable with Bibby on Delfino but the Hawks made it work.

– “We had to keep them guessing as much as we could,” Al said. “The guards did a good job of getting over the screens.”

– In the third quarter, the Hawks went with a zone. Suddenly Milwaukee’s guards didn’t have so many gaps to exploit and Al and Smoove didn’t have to cover to much ground to get out to Delfino. Their ball movement, excellent for much of the series, came to a halt.

–The Bucks made just 3 of 17 shots in the third quarter and missed 11 in a row when the Hawks went on that 19-0 run. “It worked,” Josh said of the zone. “It was good just to show them a different look here and there. We were able to throw them off balance.”

– Woody had played sly the day before the game, insisting he wouldn’t change his defensive approach. “We just tried to mix it up a little bit,” Woody said. “They are so good in the one-on-one position and you’re not sitting down and taking individual challenges on the ball. It becomes a nightmare.”

– Talking to Jamal during the series, he hadn’t seemed like himself. He might have been most affected by that Game 5 loss but he showed something by bouncing back. That driving shot over Delfino when the Bucks rallied late is the kind of thing Crawford had done all regular season.

– “I feel like that’s what they brought me here for,” he said. “I felt like I let the team down in the last few games, especially the last game. I didn’t sleep the last couple days.”

– It was a brutal first half offensively for both teams but don’t discount the defense. The game was physical and tightly-contested. It was lacking in aesthetics but physical play was plentiful. “Nobody wanted to lose tonight and that’s an indication of the score,” Woody said. “Both teams were just grabbing and fighting and clawing to win a basketball game.”

– Neither team could gain separation in the first half. The Hawks gained a 16-10 advantage but Milwaukee closed the first quarter on a 9-0 run. The Hawks answered by opening the second quarter with a 9-0 run that featured three baskets by Jamal. Delfino started a 15-2 run with three consecutive 3-pointers. The Hawks made four free throws to close the half and calm things down.

– “We were missing easy shots, they were missing easy shots,” Horford said. “But we were playing the right way. I knew eventually we would get it going.”

– Man, did they ever. That 19-0 run was the Hawks’ most dominant stretch of play since the first half of Game 1. The Hawks shared the ball, collected rebounds and defended the Bucks late into the shot clock. Those 19 points were spread around: Bibby had five points, Josh four, Joe five, Al three and Jamal two.

– “I haven’t seen us play like that the whole series and it feels so good,” Smoove said. “Everybody laid it on the line.”

– The Hawks’ biggest lead was 58-38. Milwaukee made its inevitable run to get within 69-62, with J.J. taking a few ill-advised iso shots, but this time the Hawks stayed tough.

– After Jamal missed, Smoove blocked Stackhouse’s shot to lead to a jumper by Joe. Crawford took Delfino to the hole, Smoove blocked Salmons’ shot and J.J. made two free throws to finish the Bucks.

– The finish was the opposite of that meltdown in Game 5. “We weren’t going out like that,” Al said. ““We at least had to play our hearts out.”

– Bucks fans chanted “Josh Smith suc–” at the end as he urged them on. “It feels good,” Josh said. “I’d like to thank Milwaukee fans for their hospitality. They’ve been great.”

– He said he was being serious but somehow I don’t believe him.

– AJC wise guy Jeff Schultz wanted to make sure I noted that he’s 3-0 in this series while colleague Mark Bradley is 0-3. Before you ask, I’m not sure which guy will be there Sunday.

– I’m out, Hawks fans.

MC

135 comments Add your comment

josh

May 1st, 2010
12:05 am

that was a nice game – ready for game 7 – they needa stay focused!

Tom

May 1st, 2010
12:07 am

Tom

May 1st, 2010
12:09 am

DOH!

Welcome back Jamal Crawford!! Go HAWKS!!

josh

May 1st, 2010
12:09 am

btw – i loved how not only did the fans chant “josh smith suc-”, but also threw a ball onto the floor… keepin in classy in Milwaukee

Clyde

May 1st, 2010
12:10 am

Najeh Davenpoop

May 1st, 2010
12:10 am

The defense was as good as I’ve seen it all season — the players deserve props for bringing their nuts with them to Milwaukee and Woody deserves props for finally changing his approach defensively. The offense was, for the most part, still pretty sorry. Jamal heated up on his jumpers, which really was the difference in the game offensively, but as we’ve seen this series the Hawks would be foolish to rely on that to carry them.

Y’all can hate on Josh Smith and his supposedly low basketball IQ all you want, but the fact of the matter is he is BY FAR the most willing passer on the team, and the ball moves much, much better when they get him the ball in the post. Is every pass he throws perfect? Of course not, but it’s a hell of a lot better than Joe or Jamal trying to pick their way through the defense while everyone stands around. I’d much rather live with the mistakes that result from posting up Smoove and finding open guys than the mistakes that result from Iso-Joe and Iso-Craw. Bottom line is Smoove is one of the better passing big men in the league, and considering that every other Hawks player pretty much only passes the ball when they are unable to create a shot for themselves, it’s foolish for the Hawks not to exploit that.

If the Hawks come out with the same level of defensive intensity throughout Game 7, they will win. I’ll be there as I have for every playoff game this millennium. But they would make life so much easier for themselves if they would just play more unselfishly on offense.

Go Hawks… f-ck Fear the Deer, more like the Bird is the Word.

theZaZaGuy

May 1st, 2010
12:16 am

These guys are special. Yet they are an enigma. They have that certain, as the French say, “I don’t know what.” They’re kind of like Yannick Noah. Amazingly atheltic and talented yet unfocused and unserious at times. But they can capture the adulation of the mob. As many of you know, Yannick’s son played at Florida alongside our very own Florida Alum. Why do I mention this? I don’t know.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 1st, 2010
12:19 am

Man… you gotta feel for the Thunder. That’s a team that hasn’t figured out how to win in the playoffs going against a team that probably knows better than anyone in the league how to win in the playoffs. Looks like they will bow out. Too bad, because they gave a valiant effort.

Wabe

May 1st, 2010
12:24 am

See the OKC fans give a standing ovation even after the loss?

Gotta love that from your fanbase.

Can’t expect them to do anything but applaud their Thunder team after the leap they made.

They’re gonna be special a couple years from now.

VenomSpitter

May 1st, 2010
12:25 am

Damn the Thunder are gonna be good

Kiki

May 1st, 2010
12:28 am

OKC fans gave that ovation because they know that team is going to be a championship one soon. The only thing they lack is experience.

Cannon

May 1st, 2010
12:28 am

We played shut down D in the biggest game of the year. Still not happy about how this series has gone down, but we have a chance to advance Sunday. In the long run that’s all I can ask for. GO HAWKS!!!!!

Kiki

May 1st, 2010
12:29 am

*going to bring

N-Trigue

May 1st, 2010
12:30 am

Kill the Deer!!! Itz deer hunting time Atlanta fans!!! Sunday were going to get sum deer!!! Lol Go Hawks!!!

Hawk n the Ham

May 1st, 2010
12:31 am

Everyone was watching Kobe. Not one Thunder player boxed out for a rebound. Enter Gasol.

Clyde

May 1st, 2010
12:33 am

Is that the same Najeh Davenpoop that was screaming FIRE WOODY yesterday? I see he ain’t putting FIRE WOODY at the end of his posts no more.

FIRE WOODY

Clyde

May 1st, 2010
12:35 am

ATLANTA FANS HAVE NO BACKBONE. CLYDE IS THE EXCEPTION

FIRE WOODY

Section 303

May 1st, 2010
12:36 am

Just a great f’ing win! I’m happy that I get to make another trip to Philips this season. Gotta be there, guys! Make The Highlight Factory a loud and hostile place.

This is great…watched the Hawks win, now kicking back with some Landshark beers and watching Lake Show and Denver/Utah. Tough loss for the Thunder. Was hoping they would pull that one out. I want to get to a game at OKC. May make the trip out there next season, if the Hawks play them on a weekend.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 1st, 2010
12:38 am

Clyde, I’m still on the FIRE WOODY bandwagon — like I said on the previous blog, it’s not like I jumped on that bandwagon without thinking about it first — but typing FIRE WOODY at the end of every post is not second nature to me like it is to you.

FIRE WOODY

Najeh Davenpoop

May 1st, 2010
12:40 am

The Hawks would have got that same ovation in 2008 if they had lost in Game 6, or if their Game 7 loss was played in Atlanta. Thankfully they won Game 6 at home, which allowed us to give them their standing ovation for a different reason.

Section 303

May 1st, 2010
1:22 am

Najeh, those games against the Celtics are three of the best sporting events I have ever been to. Great games. The Hawks were new to the playoffs. Crowd was great.

BirdDawg

May 1st, 2010
1:24 am

Good intensity, but still no execution or this game would have been even easier. Give Woody some credit for finally getting off the stubborn horse and switching up the defense a little(like he really had a choice). Good road win regardless. F*ck the Deer, Fear the Fowl!!!

GO HAWKS
FIRE WOODY

Jokeman 4000

May 1st, 2010
1:47 am

I Will Be There On Sunday I Will Be In A Group Of 6 We Will All Be Starting The Chant KILL THE DEER!!! KILL THE DEER!!! KILL THE DEER!!! KILL THE DEER!!! Making Sure The Bucks No There Season Is Coming To A END All Those Coming To The Game I Hope You All Join In With The Chant And Have That Place Rocking Our Team Needs Us!!!!!

BirdDawg

May 1st, 2010
1:58 am

Lot of arrogant Bucks fans came on these blogs talking smack after game 5. Here’s a link to a Bucks blog if anyone wants to get in a little trash talking.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/bucks.html

GO HAWKS

BirdDawg

May 1st, 2010
2:04 am

One rather level headed Bucks blogger made a statement that would make any Hawks fan excited at the possibility. He said, “Can you imagine a team with Atlanta’s talent and Milwaukee’s heart?” The Hawks would be a truly fearsome team.

supa

May 1st, 2010
2:07 am

Much better today. What I noticed is that they played mad. They definitely did not want to be remembered for that loss in Game 5. Now they have to continue to play like that. It’s not over. Play smart and play hard.

Atlanta Fawks

May 1st, 2010
2:25 am

Noooooooo!!!! This just means Woody comes back next year if we win Sunday!!!! What happened Bucks?

Ryan

May 1st, 2010
2:32 am

Jokeman 4000 say “SMEAR THE DEER”! I think that would be awesome! Or fear the queer fear the queer. lol.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 1st, 2010
3:36 am

There are too many gay people in ATL to pull off anything involving the word “queer” without someone calling security, but “Kill the Deer” sounds good. I’ll join in.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 1st, 2010
3:39 am

“Najeh, those games against the Celtics are three of the best sporting events I have ever been to. ”

Definitely. In terms of the crowd, the atmosphere, and the magnitude of the game I don’t think any other sporting event I’ve ever attended has come close. Maybe a couple of Braves games I went to in the ’90s when they were World Series contenders, but that’s about it.

Joe's place Joe speaking

May 1st, 2010
4:06 am

Najeh I feel you on that! That game 6 against the celtics was the best sporting event I’ve ever been to! I was in a suite right beside Billy knight We high fived after the win. It was awesome!

No crying

May 1st, 2010
4:08 am

Reprieve. No play with the same determination on Sunday. This Series should be over. The Hawks are playing for woody’s job and JJ contract.

Gregory

May 1st, 2010
4:31 am

You Hawks’ Fans suck. You booo your own team. Did you you hear us booing in Brew Town? F*** NO we went out and partied. All you can talk about is sacking Woodson. You don’t deserve a team. Jerks. We’ll party in the Old Third Ward all weekend as you bozos eat your quiche. I hope we can cream you guys in Atlanta and you can boo hoo all you want. LOsers.

TigerWoods

May 1st, 2010
6:53 am

Gregory – first go tie your antelopes to a tree. Then look outside, see where you live, cry some more. Last if you still feel like it, go jump in that filthy lake outside and do the world a favor, you may be too stupid to get it.

i am glad Hawks won against an inferior opponent. Hawks much higher talent level shows. Need to consistently bring the same intensity on Sunday to win. No more take it easy on this team. Have them down, kick them in the head while they are down. It is good to see Jamal have a good game, finally. Great defense.

Nate ArchiBALL

May 1st, 2010
7:16 am

Najeh – good post at 12:10 am.

Ken Strickland

May 1st, 2010
8:20 am

Let me know how that cums out.

May 1st, 2010
7:56 am

Ken,Strickland, tonight I will try to get 3 big dicks in my mouth @ once. Have you ever done that?

lewis

May 1st, 2010
9:01 am

Al Horford actually plays really solid defense around the basket.

He even kept Jennings in front of him on the switches yesterday.

JeJe

May 1st, 2010
9:18 am

HOW DOES WESLEY MATTHEWS SCORE 23 FOR UTAH?. WHY CAN’T TEAGUE BE THAT GUY FOR US?

FIRE WOODY

JeJe

May 1st, 2010
9:21 am

AVERY IS INTERVIEWING FOR PHILLY AND NEW ORLEANS JOBS? WHY CAN’T WE INTERVIEW HIM? NOH HAS A WORSE FINANCIAL SITUATION THAN WE DO

FIRE WOODY

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Ken Strickland

May 1st, 2010
10:00 am

MICHAEL CUNNINGHAM-Why give Woodson credit for finally doing what obviously should have been done after our gm 3 loss? It took him until the team was on the brink of elimination to get past his stubbornness and actually do something other than put the blame on the players poor DEF. After switching to a DEF that allowed each player to stick with his original assignment, which allowed Smoove and Horford to remain in the frontcourt rather than the backcourt, we witnessed some serious DEF, both individually and team wise.

If a machanic takes 3 times longer than normal to complete a repair, and offers absolutely no explanation for the delay, would you compliment him on a job well done and/or give him a tip? As for the players, they did what they were capable of doing, and could have done all season, if Woodson hadn’t forced them to play his beloved switching DEF.

Even Bibby played solid DEF. Of course, a lot of that had to do with having Smoove and Horford under the basket to back him up. Let’s face it, Buck players still had the ability to blow by him at anytime, but Horford and Smoove’s presence let them know they couldn’t get easy uncontested layups like they did so successfully in the 3 previous gms.

Woodson’s stubborness and arrogance reminds me of his college HC, Bobby Knight. When his player abuse became public, and IU could no longer ignore or coverup his uncivilized, brutish behavior, they put him on probation and told him he’d be fired if his behavior and attitude didn’t change. Well, we all know the rest of the story. In the end, Bobby Knight never accepted responsibility for getting himself fired. He insisted on blaming the school and the assistant coach that replaced him for his demise. Woodson is in a simular situation as far as being on the hotseat, and almost to the end he’s stubbornly insisted on doing it his way, even when it was obvious much earlier that his way wasn’t working.

Woodson seems to have inherited that same stubborn Bobby Knight mentality of, I DON’T GIVE A DAMN WHAT ANYBODY SAYS, I’M GOING TO DO IT MY WAY NO MATTER WHAT THE CONSEQUENCES OR RESULTS MIGHT BE, type of behavior. This team and organization need to move forward, and we can’t do that with Woodson and his stubborn, defiant attitude.

mountain_jim

May 1st, 2010
10:16 am

Well stated Ken. I agree. But if the Hawks somehow turn this around and make it to the finals (I know dream on), then Sund would have a hard time not re-hiring him, I would imagine.

Mz. Hawkdafied

May 1st, 2010
10:18 am

Smoove is wrong everybody didn’t count them out. There are people who didn’t count them out. Unless he talked to everybody and he didn’t. I take offense to that statement.

i_am_soulstar

May 1st, 2010
10:18 am

Come on Schultz, you’re on Sunday mate. Take one for the team.

I need to think of a poster.

How about “Buck Milwaukee”

OR

“Milwaukee, Go Buck Yourself”

mountain_jim

May 1st, 2010
10:19 am

The east finals I mean.

doc

May 1st, 2010
10:35 am

not sure why it took 3 games to figure it out since we had a whole season to practice this stuff and try it out, so the transition could have been made sooner. i guess in some way you have credit woody for finally getting out of his and his teams way. really isnt the regular season about getting ready for this stuff and seeing if it can work. why didnt we do it then and who is his own worst enemy? zone defense huh, not switch at every pass and leave them guessing ,,,, hmm what a novel idea, surprised someone on the blog never suggested any of this before.

mc, i think their most dominant stretch was against utah jazz that had jerry sloan of all people tossing in the white towel early in the third quarter when they blew by them in the second quarter and continued the onslaught into the third. they erased an early lead of the jazz and had the crowd giving them a standing o. it was breath taking and i can only hope the bring that one out in game 7.

DHunt

May 1st, 2010
10:45 am

I’m not in the habit of heaping praise on people for doing what they were supposed to do. Like saying congratulations to someone for not being a drug addict. So I’m happy about the win, and looking forward to many more Hawks games this season. I’m not going to pretend it’s all good though. I’m still picking the Hawks to win it all this year. That’s how much of a fan I am. And I’m still praying they FIRE MIKE WOODSON. That’s the kind of realist I am. Coaching, especially at the professional level, is about bringing out the best in each individual player, and at the same time putting the Team in the best position to win against an ever changing landscape of opponents. Who in their right mind could say that describes Woodson?

O'Brien

May 1st, 2010
10:47 am

Did not see the game, but from reading the blog and looking at the boxscore, hawks played good defense, an woody finally made adjustments.

Offensively, we are still horrible (I wonder where we rank in offensive efficiency in the playoffs ).

That being said, I am looking forward to game 7. I expect skiles to make adjustments, but if we defend and play to our capabilities, hawks win big.

Clyde, Najeh,

Shouldn’t it be “DON’T RESIGN WOODY”

Peter

May 1st, 2010
10:52 am

Sometimes it is better to be lucky then good……..

Tell me how many open looks, and blown layups did the Bucks miss?

Hawk’s could have easily gotten blown out early if the Buck’s hit anything.

Hopefully the next game will be about a strong D, and not the Buck’s having so many open looks they just missed.

Section 303

May 1st, 2010
11:12 am

Peter, you know the Hawks game was at 7:00PM last night, right? I think you may have been watching the wrong game.

JCToo

May 1st, 2010
11:14 am

How about “Deer Tears” They will be shed on Sunday

The Truth

May 1st, 2010
11:19 am

A few blogs ago, in a Game 5 defeat when skepticism was at an all time high, I wrote:

“I feel a great disturbance in the force. Yes the tide has shifted but don’t forget the story of “The Turtle and the Hare”. The Hare was so much quicker and was so sure of the outcome of the race; he decided to catch a nap during the race only to lose in the end. The moral of this story: IT AIN’T OVER UNTIL IT’S OVER!!!”

Skepticism was running so high, even bloggers like Clyde doubted and responded to me with:

“THE TRUTH THAT WAS THE MOST BULLSH#T’N AZZ POST I HAVE EVER READ IN MY LIFE.”

That’s ok Clyde, I forgive you :)

But as prophetic as the comment seem with respect to the outcome of game 6, it could now be applied to game 7. However, the characters in that story could shift and change roles. Instead of the Hawks playing the role of the tortoise that stood fast and won the race against an over-confident hare as in game 6, it is now the Bucks turn to audition for the role of the tortoise. This is a cautionary message to the Hawks: FORGET GAME 6 (STOP TALKING ABOUT IT), IT IS NOW IN THE PAST. REMEMBER HAWKS: BECAUSE THERE IS A GAME 7, YOU STILL HAVE SOMETHING TO PROVE TO THE FANS AND TO YOURSELVES. AT THIS POINT, IT’S ALL ABOUT CONCENTRATION AND FOCUS. YAH, I KNOW GAME 6 WAS A NICE WIN, BUT DON’T LOSE SIGHT OF THE PRIZE. WIN GAME 7, OR CLEAR OUT YOUR LOCKERS.

IT (STILL) AIN’T OVER UNTIL IT’S OVER!!!”

TK

May 1st, 2010
11:25 am

Jerome

May 1st, 2010
11:33 am

So what! They beat a team (WITHOUT THEIR BEST PLAYER) they should have beaten two games ago. They will lose to the Orlando Magics. The Hawks are still in the same place as last year. The only way they can boast would be to beat the Magics.

TK

May 1st, 2010
11:42 am

Jerome: it does seem that the majic will be a tough opponent however if the Hawks play sound ball and MAKE shots, unlike the 38% last night, this will be an interesting series.

TK

May 1st, 2010
11:44 am

magic*** spelling lol

Chris Bosh

May 1st, 2010
12:10 pm

Hey I’m pretty serviceable… why not sign me? I’m better than that doofus you call zaza

Avery Johnson

May 1st, 2010
12:12 pm

If the hawks don’t try to make a run for me now I’m gonna be off to New Orleans.

JeJe

May 1st, 2010
12:21 pm

YESTERDAY’S WIN DOESN’T ERASE !@#$. WE WILL LOSE IN 4 OR 5 GAMES TO ORLANDO

FIRE WOODY

Josh Smith

May 1st, 2010
12:21 pm

Chris i wouldnt mind you on the team… i think Id have to whip your ass a few times…

Joe johnson

May 1st, 2010
12:22 pm

shut up you arrogant mother…. look chris Im out so do your thing… F the hawks

TK

May 1st, 2010
12:31 pm

JEJE have faith my brother. i also was pretty pissed after game 5 of this series… i know orlando will be a tough match up for us… but sit back witha cold brew and lets see what happens… dont count us out…

Jeff Teague

May 1st, 2010
12:36 pm

I just wish I could play

Rick Sund

May 1st, 2010
12:38 pm

Hawks Fans:

We CAME through! We are playing one of the best teams in the NBA in the Milwaukee Bucks. We were down 3-2 and STOLE a ROAD game! Isn’t that incredible?! This can be attributed to our LENGTH, ATHLETICISM, and TREMENDOUS UPSIDE.

Woodson, you GOT your extension! 6 years/$36 million sound good?

Best, Rick

TK

May 1st, 2010
12:47 pm

GO TO HELL RICK lol j/k we stole nothing we took that win… woodson finally let go of his nuts and did the right thing to switch the defensive looks… hopefully he thought “hey COACHING may work in sport, ima try it from now on”

PlusSizeModel

May 1st, 2010
12:48 pm

Regarding this Web site layout: should I really have to click five or six times to find the box score for this game? I can get it in three clicks on ESPN.com, which is where I’m headed now because I still haven’t found it here.

darrell starks

May 1st, 2010
12:54 pm

Good game last night the only thing i didn’t like was the 6th man rotation in the second half, and they almost ran out of gas in the fourth, this is 2 games in a row woody have went 2 a 6th man rotation woody have 2 stop this specially sunday with everything on the line, like i said before woody is the luckies coach in sports.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

May 1st, 2010
12:57 pm

Can some one answer this why do joe continue 2 dribble the ball 20seconds of the 24second shot clock?
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!

TK

May 1st, 2010
1:06 pm

Thats Iso-Joe baby!!

go hawks! :)

Fundamentals

May 1st, 2010
1:34 pm

How about the Bucks playing Boys from the South as their hype music in the 3rd? Kinda Odd?

We came alright! BOOM – we got venison!

Fundamentals

May 1st, 2010
1:35 pm

Loved the variety on D!

Loved the steady effort regardless of the outcome. They started to panic and give up, we stayed steady all game. Results – GAME 7!

SouthFultonMusic.com

May 1st, 2010
1:45 pm

That defense Woody is running, is what has this series going to a Game 7, when Hawks should have and could have easily swept the Bucks.

The defense is flawed for the following reasons:
-1 extra pass leads to open shots for opponents
-Switching always leaves a perimeter shooter wide-open for set-shot 3’s
-It puts us in unfavorable mismatches (Horford on Jennings, Bibby on K.Thomas)
-All the running and recovering to defend wide-open shooters uses up too much energy on offense.

northcyde

May 1st, 2010
1:49 pm

Mz. Hawkdafied

May 1st, 2010
10:18 am

Smoove is wrong everybody didn’t count them out. There are people who didn’t count them out. Unless he talked to everybody and he didn’t. I take offense to that statement.

********************

Don’t take offense to his statement. While some believed that they could win Game 6, you have to admit that all we heard for 36 hours was how the Hawks were 1 – 10 in road games the past 3 years . . and had lost a whopping 17 out of 18 road games since 1997.

So by those odds, you’re talking about a 7% – 10% chance of the Hawks winning that game.

If Smoove and the guys want to use the “Us against the World” mentality, to motivate them, then I’m all for that. If they get to Round 2, they’ll have to have that same mentality when facing the Magic. No one will give us a chance to win that series. And I bet if you poll the fans, maybe only 30% – 40% will believe that we can beat the Magic. Because, once again, it means that we’ll have to win at least one road game in Orlando.

I really want to see this team win going away tomorrow afternoon, much like they did in Game 7 vs Miami last year. I don’t want it to be any doubt that we’re going to win that game, once the 4th quarter starts.

northcyde

May 1st, 2010
1:56 pm

SouthFultonMusic.com

May 1st, 2010
1:45 pm

That defense Woody is running, is what has this series going to a Game 7, when Hawks should have and could have easily swept the Bucks.

The defense is flawed for the following reasons:
-1 extra pass leads to open shots for opponents
-Switching always leaves a perimeter shooter wide-open for set-shot 3’s
-It puts us in unfavorable mismatches (Horford on Jennings, Bibby on K.Thomas)
-All the running and recovering to defend wide-open shooters uses up too much energy on offense.

*******************

The switching defense this year has worked much more than it has failed. It’s just when it fails, you see the glaring weaknesses in it. But when it works ( ala vs Boston and how it bottles up Rajon Rondo ), nothing is said about it. The key to the switching defense is . . .

1) communication
2) effort
3) closing out shooters

We do those 3 things, we’ll have a good shot at winning the game. But like others have pointed out, sometimes you don’t need to play the switch defense all the time. But the defense does work more than it doesn’t.

Just like with the ISO offense. When ISO fails, people want to scream how ISO never works. But when ISO actually works, nothing is said about it. JJ and Crawford have been going ISO all year, and it has led to both of them having some of their best seasons of their career.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 1st, 2010
2:32 pm

“Clyde, Najeh,

Shouldn’t it be “DON’T RESIGN WOODY””

Doesn’t have quite the same ring to it.

“I need to think of a poster.”

Go Buck Yourself would be good. The Buck Stops Here would be good too. My personal favorite that I’ve seen so far is Smear the Deer.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 1st, 2010
2:37 pm

“Just like with the ISO offense. When ISO fails, people want to scream how ISO never works. But when ISO actually works, nothing is said about it.”

With players of the caliber of JJ and Craw, anything you run will work to an extent. Of course there are times when Iso-Whoever works. The point we anti-Iso people make is that a) it would be a lot easier on Joe and Jamal to score points running actual plays instead of Iso all the time, and b) a ball movement-based offense would be much harder to guard with the athletes and versatility this team has and would work a much higher percentage of the time, leading to much fewer dry spells and 4th quarter meltdowns.

The Hawks’ tendency to revert to Iso in the 4th quarter is like Marty Schottenheimer reverting to the run-the-ball-up-the-middle-three-times-and-punt offense in the 4th quarter of every playoff game he’s ever coached… needless to say he has never won a championship taking that ultra-conservative approach, and Woody isn’t going to accomplish much in the playoffs with that approach either. Iso does a disservice to all the talent this team has. I’m not saying the Hawks should never use it, but it shouldn’t be the base of their offense.

Jeff

May 1st, 2010
2:48 pm

Joe didn’t do as much ISO, and passed the ball. Result= win. He is good, team will be better when he is gone though.

TK

May 1st, 2010
2:51 pm

JEFF, i agree you saw how he started to become Iso-joe in the 4th and the bucks made a run…. only thing that stopped it was Smiths block… you are right… i agree better with him gone or an unlikely attitude adjustment

SouthFultonMusic.com

May 1st, 2010
3:23 pm

The is ISO is weak… whats the point of isolating 1 guy, and totally disregarding your 4 other players? That only helps out the opposing Defense, meanwhile they’re running us like crazy when we’re on defense….

JeJe

May 1st, 2010
3:35 pm

FIRE WOODY

HE USES THE SAME STARTING LINEUP WHETHER THE GUYS PRODUCE OR NOT. WOODSON IS THE ONLY COACH IN THE NBA WHO DOES NOT REWARD PLAYERS WITH STARTERS MINUTES.

IF WE ARE GETTING OWNED IN A GAME AT HALFTIME, WHY NOT LET JAMAL START 2ND HALF?

MARVIN FOLLOWED A 22 PT GAME WITH A 2 PT EFFORT

FIRE WOODY

TK

May 1st, 2010
3:35 pm

its not a called ISO… its usually just Joe hogging the ball… thats just his style he can be a very good team player occasionally and we are very successful but we all can tell when he is going to hold the ball, and dribble and try to make something happen… last night he almost gave them the momentum back but as i said smith gave it back time and time again with dominant blocks in the paint… we need to stock to the zone D in the 2nd and 4th quarter and finish the halfs strong. and distribute the ball and get it INSIDE as often as possible… ESPECIALLY when they have 5 guards out there!!

Najeh Davenpoop

May 1st, 2010
3:40 pm

“He is good, team will be better when he is gone though.”

Don’t blame Joe for Iso-Joe. Blame Woody. Joe is a good passer who would be that much better of a player in a ball movement-based offense.

I hear a lot of people saying the Hawks shouldn’t give Joe the max deal he’s undoubtedly going to get this offseason, but to me that makes no sense. Right now the Hawks have a wide open window of opportunity as a top-3 seed that is only going to get more enticing as Josh and Al become better post scorers and as Teague eventually assumes the starting role. Without Joe, though, the Hawks are left without a go-to scorer and wing defender, which will delay their window of opportunity to go deep in the playoffs by at least a few years as they locate and groom a replacement. Keep in mind that even if Joe leaves, this team is probably not going to miss the playoffs — they will probably remain in that #7-#8 seed range for a while, leaving them without the possibility of drafting an impact lottery SG to take over Joe’s role.

As to the downside of giving Joe the max, I don’t think it’s as bad as people say. Sure, maybe when he’s 33 and 34 some of his skills may have eroded — particularly on defense — but I don’t see him ever losing his jumper, and he’s always been a pretty durable guy. Players who utilize quickness and athleticism usually decline quicker (at least that’s the conventional wisdom) and Joe really utilizes neither. I do think as time goes on, the focus of the offense will necessarily have to shift away from Joe and more towards a pick-and-roll based offense centered around Teague, Smoove, and Horford, with Joe starting to play a similar role to Ray Allen on the Celtics or Peja Stojakovic on the Kings. As is the case with many max players, there’s a good chance he will be overpaid towards the end of his deal, but I think that’s a worthy sacrifice to keep the core of this team intact now and see how far they can go.

That said, everything I’m predicting above involves offensive creativity, which Woody has not shown he’s capable of in six years as a head coach. In order for this team to get to the next level they have to institute a real offensive system and accelerate Teague’s development, and I am not confident in Woody’s ability to do either one.

Ken Strickland

May 1st, 2010
3:42 pm

NORTHCYDE-Woody’s beloved switching DEF definitely hasn’t worked more than it’s hurt us. During the regular season there were teams that just didn’t have the personnel to effectively exploit it, and there could be HC’s with Woodson’s mentality who wouldn’t make the necesssary adjustments to exploit it. There is absolutely no advantage whatsoever in consistently having your C’s and PF’s in the backcourt trying to defend PG’s and SG’s and your PG’s and SG’s in the frontcourt trying to defend C’s and PF’s.

THAT’S JUST THE DUMBEST THING EVER. Unless you have players with the size and ability to make it work, it’s a DEF you occasionally use to throw teams off balance, like switching to a zone DEF. There’s absolutely no way any NBA HC would be stupid enough to rely exclusively on a zone DEF as their primary DEF, or the switching DEF, without the proper personnel to make it work, except for Woodson of course.

Imagine how much better the Hawks would be if we had Scott Skiles as our HC. Just think of how his ability to effectively utilize most of his bench, develop and utilize young talented players, design an effective OFF system the includes everyone, make adjustments and/or changes during gms, as well as motivate and coach his team up, even when missing key players.

TK

May 1st, 2010
3:46 pm

Najeh Davenpoop well put…

TK

May 1st, 2010
3:54 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

May 1st, 2010
4:04 pm

I am not opposed to the switching D as the base defense. I agree with northcyde on that — it worked more often than not this year and teams had a hard time dealing with it. A lot of that is because in the regular season, teams don’t have two weeks of constantly playing against the Hawks to practice exploiting it, and a lot of that is also because as Ken says, many teams don’t have the personnel to exploit it. The idea of endlessly setting screens until a small guy gets isolated on a big guy, which is what destroys the switching D, is not a commonly used offense by any team in the league as far as I’ve seen, and it requires specifically practicing that in order to implement it in a game, which may not be possible in the regular season. In a playoff series, though, teams have plenty of time to practice these types of wrinkles and implement them in games, at which point defensive adjustments need to be made.

The Bucks clearly went over this in practice and implemented it starting in Game 3, and it took the Hawks three games to realize they need to adjust back. In the regular season a similar situation happened with Orlando — the Magic destroyed the switching D the first three times these two teams played, and it took the Hawks until the 4th meeting with that team to come up with an alternative strategy that ended up working. In the playoffs, that is way too long of an adjustment period. It’s not the switching D that’s the problem as much as the inability of the Hawks to adjust and throw different wrinkles at teams to confuse them when the switching stops working.

clarkekent

May 1st, 2010
4:20 pm

WOODY still needs to go! This team is not well coached. Any coach that waits until the elimination game to change after you being exploited for 3 games needs to be fired.(NOT RE-SIGNED) Hawks struggle offensively due to too much one-on-one basketball. They apparently thinks its a secret but its not … the Atlanta offense is built around Josh Smith being quicker than his defender Jamal Crawford and Joe Johnson creating space for themselves off the dribble or AL just bulling his way in. Woodson’s play book: Every play is a ISO play: josh ISO post-up (left box), Al ISO post-up (right box), Crawford ISO (at the top of the three) and the all famous ISO-JOE(anywhere/anytime he wants). woodson should have been fired 2 years ago but these young Hawks played their butts off against boston and he got 2 more years. FIRE WOODY (NOT RE-SIGN) dont care which one …just dont want him here.

SouthFultonMusic.com

May 1st, 2010
4:20 pm

The switching D has never worked… Real men, play man-on-man defense! We’re young and athletic, why dont we play straight up man-on-man? if Bibby is too slow, he gotta sit down….its simple

O'Brien

May 1st, 2010
4:26 pm

I like the switching defense during the regular season, because teams dont see a lot of switching from anybody else, and they dont have much time to prepare for it.

However, even during the regular season, some teams exploited it, and we would lose games because we made no adjustments, which is the same issue here in the regular season. It took Woody 3 games to make an adjustment.

The good thing is, because the Bucks exploited it, we should be able to learn from it, and have a couple different looks (defensively) to show Orlando if they exploit it (assuming we win tomorrow).

Ken Strickland,

I like Skiles as a HC. However, he seems to be the kind of coach that can wear on a team after 4 or 5 years (like he did at his previous stops). Unless you’re a hall of fame calibre coach, Its tough to stay in one place for 6 years like Woody has.

I’m starting to wonder if Woody has worn out his welcome with the players and the fans. Sometimes change is good for everybody.

Najeh,

If Sund and the ASG resign Woody, but JJ signs somewhere else, I wonder what kind of offense would Woody run? I’m thinking a lot of ISO Jamals…

Michael Cunningham

May 1st, 2010
4:44 pm

@Ken: it’s pretty simple. when the switches weren’t working i wrote about that. now that Woody switched it, i gave him credit. what should i write, “well, Woody swtiched up his defense but who cares because he should have done it before now”? that wouldn’t make much sense and wouldn’t be very fair. regardless of your view on when he should have done it or why he hadn’t before, he did it and it was effective and so he gets credit. that’s all, nothing more.

also, i’d say the defense wasn’t a big problem in Game 5–the Bucks scored 91 points and shot 40 percent, so how can you say it failed? that game was more about the offense bogging down in the fourth and the meltdown, right?

northcyde

May 1st, 2010
4:47 pm

Mr. Strickland . . that’s just your hate and bias against Woody talking.

This team doesn’t win 53 games . . . go 21 – 9 vs the Western Conference . . win 34 home games . . and beat everybody in the league with the exception of Cleveland and Oklahoma City ( teams that just happen to have a superstar scorer ) . . if the defense was ineffective.

Woody simply needs to change defenses more when his main defense doesn’t work.

JeJe

May 1st, 2010
4:49 pm

WHY DOES WOODSON NOT USE TEAGUE?

JeJe

May 1st, 2010
4:50 pm

WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME TO FIRE WOODSON. WE CAN’T FIRE HIM AFTER THE YEAR BECAUSE HE WON’T BE UNDER CONTRACT. SO WE MUST FIRE HIM DURING THE PLAYOFFS.

FIRE WOODY

JeJe

May 1st, 2010
4:54 pm

I WONDER IF PEOPLE IN ATLANTA ACTUALLY REALIZE THERE IS A GAME 7 TOMORROW

FIRE WOODY

northcyde

May 1st, 2010
4:55 pm

@ MC . . . exactly.

northcyde

May 1st, 2010
4:57 pm

JeJe . . . ask the Hawks fans if they’ll be late for a 1 PM start? I guess that’s “too early”.

diversity

May 1st, 2010
5:07 pm

Atlanta has old people, young people, rich people, poor people, fair-weather fans, dedicated fans, basketball lovers, basketball haters…Milwaukee seemed to have a bunch of college aged students from all around the area, getting super rowdy, looking for the next event to get drunk and celebrate at. They’re going to be loud regardless of the situation.

Atlanta fans need a game 7 just to recognize the existence of the series. If there is ever a time Atlanta’s fan base needs to make its presence felt, its now. I’m confident.

clarkekent

May 1st, 2010
5:18 pm

SWITCHING DEF… only works on teams that do not have 2 penetrating guards: i.e. BOSTON, DALLAS, LAKERS, PACERS, HEAT, etc. TEAMS that have a back court that penetrate will always give us problems: I.e. BUCKS, CAVS, MAGIC. Teams run wave plays, pick plays or just hand the ball off until they get a guard on our center or power forward or find bibby. The main reason for the switching is the ability to hide Bibby and it handles screens better than having your guys fighting thru 3 screens chasing Ray Allen or Rip Hamilton around. Bibby’s ability to hit the open shot is why he starts but if he is not aggressive and does not shoot then why have him on the floor. Same as Marvin. Switching DEF also has your bigs away from the basket so when the shot goes up he is challenging a jump shot instead of underneath the basket rounding the ball. Results: Crawford and Bibby getting man handled for rebounds. It also makes you team non-aggressive. They don’t fight thru picks. They don’t fight over picks. They are always going underneath picks getting exploited for 3 pts shots. Always sagging back in the lane scared to get beat to the basket. Lack of toughness. it doesn’t work on every team and for a defensive coach he lacks creativity and ability to adjust(stubborn).

kwooden1

May 1st, 2010
5:29 pm

I’m very happy for the guys because they deserved the win! I’m still completely on the side of not resigning Woodson and probably several members of the staff. The defensive was great this game, but I was much happier with the offensive overall. A lot of possessions were still ISOs but several times they played good two-man ball or had some reasonable ball movement. But it seemed like the guys just have to figure this out on their own. There is no system in place for them to execute. I’m tired of seeing one person hold the ball while 4 people watch. There should always be some body movement, even if it’s an ISO play. I hope that Sund can take sometime to make a sound decision in the off-season in terms of the coach and staff. We all would appreciate a coach like Brooks, Skiles or McMillian. Those guys aren’t going anywhere so hopefully we can find a guy like them.

GO HAWKS!!!

Lacsho

May 1st, 2010
5:31 pm

Solid win, I got my game 7 tickets!!!!!!!

Kurt Thomas

May 1st, 2010
6:20 pm

I’m gonna lay zaza on his ass sunday

Kurt Thomas

May 1st, 2010
6:29 pm

I’m gonna spazz out and flop when bibby taps me on the chest.

O'Brien

May 1st, 2010
7:12 pm

The blog is so dead after a Hawks win. But when they lose, everybody and their brother is on here. What’s up with that?

JeJe

May 1st, 2010
7:30 pm

“The blog is so dead after a Hawks win. But when they lose, everybody and their brother is on here. What’s up with that?”

FIRE MIKE WOODSON

Big Ray

May 1st, 2010
7:42 pm

I read that article where Mike Woodson is calling for more ball movement on offense. It’s hilarious, but in a sad way.

And of all the people he could call out for that, he calls out Al Horford? WTF…is this the same Al that you refuse to call plays for in the second half dang near all season long? Is this the same Al Horford who was quoted numerous times as imploring the team to share the ball more? Who did you call out for that then ?

I remember us shooting ourselves out of a game during the regular season. Joe, Bibby, Jamal, and even Josh took several jumpers against a zone defense. They lost the game, and all Woody could say was “well, they went zone on us and the jumpers looked pretty appetizing.”

Did he call his guards out? No.

Get a clue, you moron. This team does what you teach them to do. If in fact they aren’t , then they are simply tuning you out. Either find a way to make them pay attention, or you will be labeled quite simply as an ineffective coach.

Woody, are you telling us that you call for this type of offense, and the guys just don’t listen to you? Is that really it? Because your top two scorers are known for doing exactly what Al did, most notably in the second half.

You call Al out for trying to bull his way into the defense in 3 of the 5 remaining possessions of the game 5 loss. And you’re right. Al tried to do too much. But don’t tell me Joe wouldn’t have done the same thing if he was in the game. In fact, I’m willing to bet that would have been your play call, not “share the ball with the game on the line.”

Funny, you didn’t mention Jamal Crawford shooting 4 for 18. Was he sharing the ball? How about Joe in game 6, did he share his way to an 8 for 24 shooting performance?

Robert Yates

May 1st, 2010
7:48 pm

ooooooooooooowwweeeeeeeeeee, what up wit dat….what up wit dat. I almost never write comments on the blog anymore, but I must say……Ya’ll who want the group blown up I just don’t understand at all. I know you want wins….I know you want championships and superstars….hell, I would love the same, but were in Atlanta folks, and Mr. Blank won’t buy the team. So…what are we to do when we are going to be the perinneal underdog? Answer: We must cherish that role. No matter how much you want it Lebron will never be here. For the people who won’t come to the games until the Lakers show….I understand. I know you all love the superstars, but I on the other hand love to root for my underdog. It would be great if you joined my fellow Hawks devotees, but I don’t see it ever happening. We will never fill up the dome like we did when we had Vick, and we will never sell out Philips unless we have a guy that does Gatorade commercials. What do I say about that……whatever….you can have your superstar. I would rather be enamoured with the story of a bunch of guys who ought not take the playoffs by storm after nearly blowing it all in the first series. This is what I love about my Hawks…..the drama. They will not win 60 games in a year…. they’re too schizo, but they’ll entertain me every step of the way.

Blast

May 1st, 2010
8:22 pm

northcyde,

Hawks DID beat the Cavs. Last game of the season. Only team they could not get a win on this season was the OKC.

For the first time ever, Woody actually called timely timeouts. Several times when Hawks were not playing well and the Bucks made runs, Woody took good, multiple timeouts to call Hawks to order. Then with guards staying on their men more rather than switch…maybe you can teach an old dog new tricks after all.

Yeah, when your basketball season and job are on the line!

Some Bucks fans really think their team can win game 7. Ha! Don’t see Hawks having two meltdowns back to back in their gym. Webber said it best. Hawks got a good old scare put to them in game 5. Don’t see them being so complacent again.

Still not crazy about the Iso plays.

O'Brien

May 1st, 2010
8:32 pm

Ray,

When ISO JJ and ISO Crawford have a horrible game, or we have one of those stretches where we can’t score, and the media asks him about the ISOs, his response is “we have won a lot of games that way”. When was the last time you heard Woody call out JJ, Bibby or Crawford specifically?

I remember the Sekou interview on 790 (and I might be paraphrasing), but he said he had heard from Chills that some of the younger guys did not like the way Woody treated them so differently from the veterans.

And I think we’re seeing the same thing now. How many games do we see Teague go out there, and get pulled after one mistake, while Bibby is out there and gets away with all types of foolish plays.

Same thing with Marvin. He is on a short leash (understandably so), but the guards? All Woody does is stare at them.

As for the game tonight (and the series), I am hoping the Celtics can beat the Cavs. First of all, I dont like Cleveland and all their antics, plus the refs appear to be on LeBron’s payroll sometimes.

Also, in case the Hawks win tomorrow and get by the Magic, I think we match up better with the Celtics.

Big Ray

May 1st, 2010
8:46 pm

O’brien ,

Exactly. And funny how Woody’s vaunted switch defense is what won us 53 games. Um, no. Even the people saying that now were the ones imploring us to play better defense than we did all regular season long. The playoffs exposed that defense, and the inflexibility thereof. Took us 3 losses to figure it out, but at least Woody figured it out.

As I recall, it was the talent of our offense (not necessarily the efficiency, as many a 3rd and 4th quarter showed) that won us many of those games. Jamal Crawfords 18 per game certainly didn’t hurt.

Big Ray

May 1st, 2010
8:48 pm

I don’t like the Cavs either, and I’m sure Boston will give them quite a run. But the Cavs HAVE to win, and they certainly have the talent and resources to do so. I’m thinking though, that Boston won’t even be able to push them past 6 games.

We won’t even talk about the refs. That’s a foregone conclusion…

lewis

May 1st, 2010
8:55 pm

lebrons clearly playing hurt

this is going to be a tough series if the celtics stay healthy

northcyde

May 1st, 2010
8:58 pm

Well . . . so much for me seeing the Hawks tomorrow afternoon.

For me to get to Atlanta in the morning, I’d need a boat. LOL . . . the entire city of Nashville is flooded. Dang interstate looks like a lake, completely shut down. Plus there’s still more rain and possible tornadoes to come overnight?

Oh well . . I’ll be there in spirit.

Grandad

May 1st, 2010
9:23 pm

Enter your comments here

Clyde

May 1st, 2010
9:29 pm

lol @O’brien

FIRE WOODY

JeJe

May 1st, 2010
9:47 pm

TOOK WOODSON 3 LOSSES TO SWITCH UP HIS “dEFENSIVE SCHEME.” THIS GUY CLAIMS TO BE A DEFENSIVE GENIUS. AMEN TO BIG RAY’S POST

FIRE WOODY

Najeh Davenpoop

May 1st, 2010
9:50 pm

“Also, in case the Hawks win tomorrow and get by the Magic, I think we match up better with the Celtics.”

And if President Obama eliminates world hunger and reduces the unemployment rate to zero, I think he’ll get re-elected.

(Nah, seriously, I agree though. I’d much rather see the Celtics in the ECF than the Cavs.)

Grandad

May 1st, 2010
9:51 pm

northcyde:

When someone challenges your opinion, why do you resort to inflammatory
comments such as hate & bias. I can asure you that I do not hate Mr Wdsn
but I will take the opposite tack as Ken Strickland & challenge your assertion that “iso-Joe is an effective offensive strategy”.
The following is an excerpt by Chauncy Billups:
[previously posted by 'Najeh']

“The problem with isolation is not the actual isolation,” Billups said. “It’s the lack of movement.” According to Billups, the Nuggets need to do a better job off the ball to help maximize the one-on-one advantages they have against Utah. “A lack of [movement] just lets one guy play against three or four”

I happen to not only agree but have been a proponent for many years of two fundamental concepts in basketball: [offensively]
*player movement [&]
*ball movement

It sorta validates one’s thinking when someone as accomplished as Chauncey Billups makes a statement as logical as the one above.

Wabe

May 1st, 2010
9:53 pm

It goes back to the issue of accountability.

To be a championship unit, all five players on the court have to think with one mind. There has to be a real sense of teamwork, a cohesiveness that keeps the group together regardless of the situation.

This group seems to lack that. And I personally feel much of it has to do with how they’ve been brought up (as a team). As Sekou stated in his interview, when this group was younger, they leaned on JJ. But, while the talent has evolved, our approach hasn’t. We still lean too much on JJ, and that to me is a direct result of the decisions Mike Woodson has made to this point. Woodson’s got his vets on a pedestal. There’s no accountability. JJ can shoot us out of a game and not hear a word from Woody about it, because the way Woody leans on him, one would assume he’s our only hope of pulling out W’s.

Look at what Phil Jackson said after a Laker loss in their last series to Kobe. He questioned whether Kobe should be taking so many shots, and basically hinted to Kobe about the importance of getting others involved. You can see the same thing from Pop in San Antonio. If he doesn’t like the way one of his guys is playing, he’ll make sure to let them know, regardless of who the culprit may be.

You never see that from Woody though. He lacks a back-bone. Until everybody on this team is treated on a leveled manner, and all players are being held accountable for their mistakes, I think you’d see a more cohesive unit. I understand that it’s natural for a headcoach to ride younger players a little harder than vets, because they’ve still got to get around the learning curve. But, in our case, Woody doesn’t ride his vets AT ALL. Other than Jamal, I haven’t seen Woody get in the faces of guys like JJ or Mike Bibby. You can’t have some guys on pedestals and others feeling the heat 24/7. It destroys the concept of ONE TEAM.

Big Ray

May 1st, 2010
10:23 pm

Excellent posts by Grandad and Wabe .

Blast

May 1st, 2010
10:24 pm

Co-sign, Wabe. 100%.

Big Ray

May 1st, 2010
10:25 pm

Northcyde ,

Whatever our differences, hope you and your family (and your home) stay safe. Floods are hazardous and tornadoes are no joke (ask me how I know).

Missing the Hawks game? Not great news. Holding out safely through natural disasters? Priceless.

irishmafia116

May 1st, 2010
10:29 pm

So Joe Johnson erstwhile wannabe superstar is quoted today ” I could care less what people expect and don’t expect…it’s about us players and coaches”. REALLY??? What a surprise . Silly me, I thought it was the fans were the ones that kept the NBA in business and kept Joe getting those incredible checks that he wouldn’t get working at Wal Mart.But alas now I find out it’s all about the players, fans be damned. Thanks for the enlightenment Joe

Blast

May 1st, 2010
10:34 pm

Celts best shot to beat the Cavs is to win this first game. But won’t happen if they play like the Hawks do. Go away from what’s working!

Blast

May 1st, 2010
10:36 pm

Cleveland:

Here comes the dancing!

Najeh Davenpoop

May 1st, 2010
10:45 pm

Co-sign Wabe, and I’ll also add that contrary to some people’s belief, I think the Hawks’ current roster can be made to hold each other accountable under the right coach.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 1st, 2010
11:01 pm

Damn, you drive down here from Nashville for Hawks games? That is dedication…

northcyde

May 1st, 2010
11:29 pm

Grandad

May 1st, 2010
9:51 pm

northcyde:

When someone challenges your opinion, why do you resort to inflammatory
comments such as hate & bias. I can asure you that I do not hate Mr Wdsn
but I will take the opposite tack as Ken Strickland & challenge your assertion that “iso-Joe is an effective offensive strategy”.
The following is an excerpt by Chauncy Billups:
[previously posted by 'Najeh']

“The problem with isolation is not the actual isolation,” Billups said. “It’s the lack of movement.” According to Billups, the Nuggets need to do a better job off the ball to help maximize the one-on-one advantages they have against Utah. “A lack of [movement] just lets one guy play against three or four”

I happen to not only agree but have been a proponent for many years of two fundamental concepts in basketball: [offensively]
*player movement [&]
*ball movement

It sorta validates one’s thinking when someone as accomplished as Chauncey Billups makes a statement as logical as the one above.

Billups has a point. Ball movement is good, when you have multiple people who can convert on the play.

But the strength of the ISO offense, is that it puts the ball in your best player’s hands. And if that player is a willing passer, then the ISO attack can be a good thing. Honestly, this is what Deron Williams, Steve Nash, Lebron, Kobe, Wade, etc run at the end of games. The decision to make the right play is usually placed in their hands.

Now in the case of Deron and Nash, the play that they’ll run, is the pick and roll. In that set, it’s not like the ball is moving around either. You simply have the main ballhandler and usually the teams best big man finisher, playing a two-man game. But the ball handeler has the option to shoot, pass to the rolling big man, or pass to an open shooter.

ISO JJ achieves the same thing, just in a different way. JJ sometimes waits too long to initiate the offense, or take a quicker open shot for himself. But if he draws a double team, you’re usually going to have someone wide open for a jumpshot. Most of the time, it’s Mike Bibby . . who has made a living off of JJ passing to him for threes. Marvin is the other guy usually open.

If he doesn’t draw the double, it’s up to him to score. The element that JJ doesn’t possess, is the ability to draw fouls, which would make the ISO attack a lot more effective.

When you look at the Hawks, a lot of the things that people want us to consistently do, we just don’t do well in the first place.

- Horford and Smoove are average back to the basket scorers at best.

- Crawford has the quickness to run pick and roll, but the passing isn’t there at times

- JJ can run ISO, but he’s slow with it at times, and doesn’t blow past people when making his move.

I’ve always just though that Woody played to the strength of the team offensively . . . which is give the ball to JJ.

In the playoffs though, it’s more about exploiting mismatches. In the next round vs Orlando, it’ll be JJ and Crawford that have the mismatches, with Smoove having one at times. Can’t expect Horford to do a lot vs Dwight.

northcyde

May 1st, 2010
11:37 pm

I live 45 minutes northwest of Nashville . . . so I acutally have to drive through Nashville to get to ATL.

LOL . . but that city is like the movie Waterworld right now. And here comes the rains again.

Grandad

May 2nd, 2010
12:50 am

northcyde:

1st things 1st – You must live in Clarksville.
I lived there for a # of yrs.
Lets go Peay!

Secondly – I [& C.Billups] were talking more about player movement.
*[during Iso]
If players that are not involved, whether it be [P & R] or simple
‘Iso Joe’ (Wdsn’s favorite), it is requisite for said players to
create movement [e.g., sreening away from ball, cutting, flashing, etc]
as to occupy defenders in order to take them out of help pos. & to eliminate traps & double teams.
I think C. Billups was speaking of player movement, whereas I added the ball movement when I posted:
“two fundamental concepts in basketball: [offensively]
*player movement [&]
*ball movement”
Not argueing, just statin’ my case.
By the way, I’ve still got kin folks & many many friends in Clarksville
plus Nashville as well.

Big Ray

May 2nd, 2010
1:12 am

So much for the olive branch.

Yep, we got holes in our offense.

Looking forward to game 7.

JeJe

May 2nd, 2010
8:54 am

“It just happens this way. Fortunately we’ve got a chance to play Game 7 on our home court. It’s been a tough first round. but whenever our back’s against the wall, we’ve always responded positive.”

LOL, yeah you sure responded well when down to Cleveland last year

JeJe

May 2nd, 2010
9:07 am

VenomSpitter

May 2nd, 2010
9:13 am

My Boy Money Mayweather won and hopefully the Hawks win

Fresh

May 2nd, 2010
10:10 am

Why the hell does AJC Homepage say the Hawks vs. Buck game is at 2pm SMH??

robdawg08

May 2nd, 2010
1:33 pm

I figured the Hawks would lie down at Milwaukee but they showed some heart… Maybe they can play well at home and win the series. I would go inside to Horford and J.Smith with a lot of drives to the basket to keep the Bucks in foul trouble. If Bibby,JJ,& Co. are cold shooting 3’s then score in the paint. Go Hawks !