Atlanta Hawks: Why They Need ‘Zo

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(Note to my blog people: I wrote this back when I got on the beat in January but decided I didn’t have the cred to put it out then. I thought about freshening it up and posting it after Woody blew up at that shootaround in Milwaukee but decided to wait. Now after what happened to the Hawks in Game 5—beforehand the game I was taken aback at how nonchalant the players seemed in the locker room before such an important night—I decided now might be a good time to post this and see if it still holds up. It’s what I wrote back then except for editing a couple spots where I couldn’t think of the right word or hadn’t yet looked up some factual details at the time.)

I’ve been covering the Hawks for only two weeks. That’s not nearly enough time to form definitive opinions about the team, but readers have been asking me what I think the team needs to put it over the top. So with the caveat that I haven’t been around that long, I will draw on my experience covering the 2005-06 Heat and tell you what the Hawks need to be a real contender.

They need Alonzo Mourning.

Well, not the actual ‘Zo, who is comfortably retired after blowing out his knee at Philips Arena on Dec. 19, 2007. But the Hawks need someone like ‘Zo, who in ‘05-06 was a hardened veteran who had been through playoff battles and knew the kind of dedication and focus it took to win at a high level. He was a guy whose forceful personality commanded respect, and whose work ethic shamed players who weren’t 36 years old and fatigued by medication to rise to his level. And, just as importantly, ‘Zo still had something to offer on the floor that the Heat needed—even in the twilight of his career he was the most amazing shotblocker I ever saw in person, and that’s even after seeing Smoove do his thing.

The Hawks don’t have a ‘Zo. The Celtics do (Kevin Garnett). The Cavaliers don’t—LeBron is special but he’s not hardened yet—and couldn’t they have used a guy like that against the Magic in the 2009 East finals? The Magic doesn’t have a ‘Zo, either, and that’s what it means when you hear the complaints about Dwight Howard being too goofy (Stan Van Gundy had ‘Zo, so he knows). The Lakers, of course, have a ‘Zo type in Kobe, who is notorious for having little tolerance for BS from his teammates. The Spurs get that same effect from Gregg Popovich but that’s a unique situation because Tim Duncan is a superstar who accepts a coach riding him like that.

The Hawks don’t have that kind of locker room presence, and there are times when it shows. I’ve been to a few practices now where Woody walks the team through defensive situations. I’ve seen him tell guys what they need to do on pick-and-rolls, backdoor cuts, in transition, etc. And then the Hawks run through the play 10 seconds later and the guy who Woody just personally instructed messes up his assignment. “Where are you going?” is a common refrain from Woody in these situations. The atmosphere during these sessions tends to be loose, and there’s nothing wrong with that. It’s a long season and the Hawks seem to be a group of guys who need to have fun. But there comes a time to be serious and there doesn’t seem to be anyone in the Hawks’ locker room to put it down like that. It’s what you get from a team that relies on so many young players or older guys without big personalities and/or roles.

These would be the times where ‘Zo would tell guys who keep messing up to pay attention. If guys goofed off when they should be focused, ‘Zo would tell them to knock it off. Now the other Heat players gave ‘Zo a lot of grief about being so intense and serious—he could be over-the-top with it at times—and he usually took the clowning good-naturedly. But when he spoke up his teammates paid attention because no one worked harder than ‘Zo. He was hungry for a title and he wasn’t going to let some nonsense get in the way of that. His intensity and toughness rubbed off on his teammates who could use it.

Now Woody critics might say that a coach with a better pedigree would be able to get them to focus better. There could be something to that because the NBA is a players’ league, but it’s not that simple. For one, it’s a long season and players get tired of hearing it from the coach. For another, Pat Riley got a lot of respect from his players because he’d won titles, sure, but also because he was the team president and backed by the owner. Unhappy players knew if they crossed him they could be shipped off to an even more miserable situation. But even that didn’t prevent Shaq from once nearly coming to blows with Riley in practice. ‘Zo, by the way, stepped between them and broke it up, good thing because who else was going to do it?

And Riley had his faults. He would arbitrarily enforce inconsistent fitness standards on players whom he was mad at for whatever reason. He once inexplicably suspended James Posey, a true pro, because Posey’s body fat percentage was a fraction above some standard that Posey suggested Riley had made up. He got personal with Antoine Walker, calling him out in the media, and while Walker’s game could be frustrating he wasn’t a bad guy. Riley could make the atmosphere too heavy for players. And if you think Woody doesn’t give enough love to young players, get a load of Riley. You basically had to be Dwyane Wade-good to be a young guy and get run with Riley.

The Hawks would be a different team with someone like ‘Zo. Mike Bibby certainly has the pedigree to be that guy but his role has diminished and he may not have the personality for it. Joe Johnson is the team’s star but he seems to be a quiet type. Smoove, Al, and Marvin are too young still.

From a talent standpoint, the Hawks actually match up fairly well with that ’06 Heat team. Wade obviously is an elite players, and Shaq at that time still changed defensive gameplans by commanding automatic double teams in the post. Those kinds of talents aren’t common. But then again the Heat didn’t have a J.J. type, a long wing who can get his own shot and defend multiple positions. ‘Zo was the closest thing the Heat had to Smoove, but ‘Zo couldn’t play big minutes because of his health—it was common to see him standing at halfcourt sucking wind while his teammates ran the break.

On that Heat team Jason Williams still pushed the pace at times and got to the rim, but usually his job was to bring the ball up and hand it off to Wade to initiate the offense and make the open shots that Wade created—sounds like Bibby, right? J-Will didn’t offer much defensively, either. Physically Marvin is a Posey type, long, athletic and able to guard multiple positions (though Posey was a veteran who had a knack for making just the right play at exactly the time the Heat needed it). Jamal Crawford is even better in his shotmaking role off the bench than Gary Payton was for the Heat.

So, on paper at least, this Hawks team could match up decently in physical talent with that ’06 Heat team. Keep in mind, too, the Heat stumbled into April and didn’t really start clicking until the final couple weeks of the regular season (unless you were there, you wouldn’t believe that this also coincided with ‘Toine replacing Posey in the starting lineup). The Bulls pushed the Heat in the first round, with a big game from Shaq and some big shots from GP turning the tide. Then the Heat got a sweet second-round matchup with the Wizards, whose soft defense allowed Wade to do whatever he wanted in the lane. The Heat swept the Wizards with Shaq sidelined by injury. Wade carried the Heat in the East finals against Detroit. Wade did the same in the Finals vs. the Mavericks (and the Heat doesn’t’ win without ‘Zo, who was possessed by then), but it’s also true the Dirk Nowitzki choked in Game 3.

The point is it’s not easy to win a title. It takes the right matchups. It takes some luck. It takes some time. And, from my experience, it takes someone like ‘Zo. The Hawks just don’t have that guy right now.

MC

196 comments Add your comment

Stu

April 30th, 2010
12:04 pm

Sustainabilty….. something it doesn’t look like the Hawks will ever have unfortunately. One loss away from returning to mediority. They will probably lose there coach and some key free agents. Time to rebuild again with ownership that is not willing to spend any money. Thanks for the 1 year memnory though!!!

JB

April 30th, 2010
12:11 pm

Why do people call Woody a defensive coach when the Hawks have a middle of the pack defense (13th) and the 2nd best offense? That’s right, 2nd best. You can look it up. It just so happens that if one of the pieces is take out, that offense completely falls apart which the numbers don’t pick up. But as I’ve been saying, defense is the reason they’ve lost many of the games this year, especially the late game collapses.

BONEY

April 30th, 2010
12:26 pm

If the Hawks win tonight, I don’t want to hear any of you haters saying “good game” this or “so and so played well” that – since you have already given up on the team and the coach.

Woody’s not getting fired anyway – why do you waste your time typing that? His contract is up this year – he may not be re-signed, but he isn’t getting fired – I know, a mere technicality – gone is gone, right?

jean

April 30th, 2010
12:35 pm

IF JOE LEAVES JAMAL WILL START N PUT UP SAME NUMBERS AS HIM WITH LESS REBOUNDS AND NOT HAVE TO HOLD THE BALL FOR 20 SECONDS EVERY TIME….JUST UPGRADE THE FRONT COURT BOSH OR STOUDAMIRE…AND SIGN A SHOOTER ALA KYLE KORVER AND HAWKS ARE BETTER….

Thoughtful

April 30th, 2010
12:37 pm

Did you write an article about the type of coach the Hawks need?

Geemack

April 30th, 2010
12:42 pm

Ken Strickland

Hubie Brown? Man I forgot all about Hubie as the Hawks coach.

You know I’ve always been a supporter of the current coaching staff.

However even if the Hawks pull out of this mess, and go on to push Orlando to 7 games certain changes are inevitable.

This series has shown defensive weaknesses, we’ve failed to adjust, and ineffective offensive sets that stagnats our offense in the 4th quarter.

I may not agree with all of them, but you made some very good points.

Geemack

April 30th, 2010
12:42 pm

Ken Strickland

Hubie Brown? Man I forgot all about Hubie as the Hawks coach.

You know I’ve always been a supporter of the current coaching staff.

However even if the Hawks pull out of this mess, and go on to push Orlando to 7 games certain changes are inevitable.

This series has shown defensive weaknesses, we’ve failed to adjust, and ineffective offensive sets that stagnats our offense in the 4th quarter.

I may not agree with all of them, but you made some very good points.

heartofdarkness

April 30th, 2010
12:43 pm

Personally, I thought this was a good article. Of course, both ‘Zo and Shaq stayed in college for a while and learned to play down low. Maybe that complicates the problem the Hawks face today. Certainly, this team needs to learn to play under pressure and that is best learned by playing against teams of equal ability when you are young. Many of today’s kids are put on all star type teams when they play at the middle school and high school level that allows them to win on physical skills alone.
And maybe the fans need their own ‘Zo.

DP

April 30th, 2010
12:46 pm

I watched 2nd year player George Hill star for the Spurs last night on a team that has Duncan, Ginobli, Parker, McDyess and Jefferson and tried to imagine a George Hill (26nd pick in the draft I believe) getting playing time from Mike Woodson if he was coaching that group.

Any competent coach would have known before the season that the development of Jeff Teague was critical to give the Hawks somebody they could put on the floor against quick point guards. I posted that long before the season started. But of course, Woodson gives Teague cursory minutes during the season and cuts him completely out of the rotation in this series against the Bucks while fellow rookie point guard Brandon Jennings carves up the Hawks. After Joe Johnson fouled out, with the Bucks spreading the floor and getting to the free throw line on virtually every possession, Woodson actually sent Mike Bibby, who can’t guard anybody in the NBA, back into the game.

bigdave

April 30th, 2010
1:03 pm

we here the same things from our guys after losses because Hawks players have been taught that basketball subtleties like energy, effort, etc win at the pro level. in the playoffs where you actually have to execute this presents a problem. you never hear hardcore execution or x’s and o’s, and anything skill based discussed. why, b/c they have been looking the other way on that. taught things like play hard.. and elementary stuff like that. you can tell by the skill level of our players. our bigs are just taught to give effort, and energy. while there skill suffers. Al cant score.. Josh cant score.. Marvin cant score.. and these guys have the natural ability to be polished but they arent.. they’ve given all they got under this guy. this man has had some talent come through here. guys that thrived at the college level. good guys, who work hard. get here and there careers are done. why.. cause the man cant teach them anything.. he likes vets cause they are already developed players, and as you’ve witnessed relies on them heavily.

you can blame player mentality or heart all you want. however, if the coach has lost the locker room, he is a lost cause. last year i wondered how could our guys not be frustrated or publicly speak out due to the fact that they are so predictable and their scheme so selfish (some call it low risk). it seems as if the frustration has started to manifest itself. i thought Sekou’s interview was brilliance and he actually bottled up a lot of what we say and expressed it to the masses. such as where guys are on the floor. what stood out is when he said something like you think Scott Skiles or was it Pop would let Josh shoot 3’s? how many times have we said things like this? wow.. spoke volumes. this dude has been out of his league.

sam'l

April 30th, 2010
1:04 pm

What the Hawks need is a burning desire to win game 6.

GO Hawks!

Geemack

April 30th, 2010
1:08 pm

Clyde

While you are at it, thank BK for passing on the emotional leader we needed to be a serious champioship contender CP3.

Fundamentals

I like your assesment, but one of the things that MJ, LBJ, & Kobe learned in those early loses is they didn’t like it.

All the lopsided loses the Hawks have experienced to the Celtics, Cavs, & Magic it hasn’t made them hungrier.

I went back and looked at games from 06, 07, 08 & 09, and eventhough the records have gotten better the Hawks still play the same.

I really hope they get it together.

bigdave

April 30th, 2010
1:10 pm

im still puzzled as to how a C like performance from the Bucks on Wed could beat us at home.. i mean they shot the ball horribly..

wow, that one hurt..

VenomSpitter

April 30th, 2010
1:13 pm

Do ya’ll remember a couple of years ago when Woody started royal ivey for a long time. LMAO

terrell

April 30th, 2010
1:14 pm

Like you said MC,we coulda had Stackhouse on the cheap cheap. We didn’t sign him, so what makes you think we’d go after a FA? Besides, who’d wanna come here and play for Mr. 6 man rotation anyway?

bigdave

April 30th, 2010
1:18 pm

The NBA arrival of a 10-year veteran
It took Jamal Crawford a decade, but he’s finally critical to his team’s success.
Scoop Jackson:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?page=jackson/100430

terrell

April 30th, 2010
1:23 pm

If I see Horford or Josh “thinks he’s Reggie Miller” Smith guarding Jennings on the perimeter tonight, I might go Postal. Seriously? Who’s gonna guard the rim Woody? STOP SWITCHIN VS EVERYBODY, EVERY DAMN GAME. If Bobbling Bibby could play a lick of defense ……… Forget it.

northcyde

April 30th, 2010
1:24 pm

I feel like I’m watching the movie Armageddon . . . . with the asteroid speeding toward Earth, and Bruce Willis and the boys doing all they can to drill that hole to set the nuke, so that they can blow up the rock.

But this is the day people wanted. It’s finally here. Some of you may get your wish after tonight.

As for the game itself, it’ll be interesting to see if this team does all of that jumping around in the hallway before they take the court tonight. Personally, I want this team to be DEADLY SERIOUS for one. Not uptight . . . but just focused.

The key to this game is surviving the initial run. San Antonio jumped all over Dallas last night, partially because Dallas was so tight, that they couldn’t make a shot. Once that happened, the game was over.

A lot of you are talking about sharing the ball and whatnot. But if guys aren’t making shots, our 2 most talented offensive players MUST TAKE OVER THIS GAME.

Part of the reason for the collapse on Wednesday night was NOT that JJ was being a ballhog. It was JJ not being able to get his shots up. With him being the main 4th quarter scorer, he HAS to shoot the ball. But what was happening, is that he kept turning the ball over when we needed points. That’s what killed us.

If he shoots the ball, you’re giving yourself a chance to score, even if he misses. A missed JJ jumper can still be rebounded, and we can either get another possession or have the rebounder try to put the ball back in the hole. This is EXACTLY what Milwaukee was doing.

But you can’t turn the ball over. Turnovers will KILL YOU. Hawks had 4 turnovers in the 4th quarter. Bucks had zero.

If nothing changes scheme wise with this team, I don’t want to see JJ trying to force being a “team guy” in the 4th quarter, if his teammates aren’t making shots. I do not want to see a Mo Evans type situation, in which because he’s the open guy, he’s taking the shot.

Bump that. I want the Hawks winning or losing with their most talented offensive players taking the big shots. That means JJ . . Crawford . . Horford . . Smith ( if he’s at the rim ) . . and Marvin and Bibby ( only if wide open and have shot a good percentage all game ).

Defensively, I just want to see some desire and hustle. Don’t get out-scrapped this game. Not when your season is on the line.

terrell

April 30th, 2010
1:28 pm

Venom, What about T lue and AJ? He drafted Marvin, because he felt comfortable with Tyronne “dribble, dribble, dribble”, Lue and Anthony ” I’m old enough to be your grandad” Johnson running the point. Wtf?? lol!

bigdave

April 30th, 2010
1:29 pm

though i contribute the fate of this series on our head coach, i wonder how things would be if we had a “6th man of the year” Jamal this series?

point is we didnt, and you have to be able to overcome poor shooting/performances from your players against inferior teams.

northcyde

April 30th, 2010
1:33 pm

VenomSpitter

April 30th, 2010
1:13 pm

Do ya’ll remember a couple of years ago when Woody started royal ivey for a long time. LMAO

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He started him out of a defensive necessity. Lue was a worse defensive player than Bibby, so Ivey would start games in order to provide some sort of defense at the 1, to start halves. Then Lue would come in as the offensive spark plug, and finish the half most nights. And he was always in at the end of the game.

This is why some people want Teague to start games. They feel that because he’s a better defensive option that Bibby, that starting Teague could at least possibly offset an initial offensive surge by Jennings to start the game or the 2nd half.

But Ivey knew that he wasn’t playing past the 1st timeout in both the 1st and 3rd quarter. Regardless of how he did, or what the game situation was, he was definitely coming out of the game at that point in time.

terrell

April 30th, 2010
1:35 pm

Northcyde, This isn’t the day WE WANTED. It’s the day we all saw coming. Woody is horrible man. It’s just coming to fruition. I think they should make a change regardless if we win or lose tonight. Woody’s maxed out.

tyger

April 30th, 2010
1:40 pm

How about just playing Mighty Joe Smith 10 minutes a game????

PreyDawg

April 30th, 2010
2:01 pm

Excellent post MC. You have gotten to the root of the issue with this team. I think some here are a little too hard on Woody, but something has to change in his approach as well.

Effort

April 30th, 2010
2:08 pm

Season over.News report Wade to Bulls.Joe Johnson signed and traded to Bulls for you know who.(Rose)

northcyde

April 30th, 2010
2:08 pm

Terrell . . people have been talking about this day for 3 – 4 years.

Even as this team improved to a playoff level squad, people talked about this day. The series isn’t over yet. I’d be shocked if this team just laid down tonight.

But what this series has proven, is that not only may we have coaching issues, we may have personnel issues ( outside of Bibby and Marvin ) that need to be immediately addressed in the offseason.

BigTimeTECHFan

April 30th, 2010
2:12 pm

Next Years lineup
J Smith SF
A Hortford SF
M Ginobli SG
J Teague PG
R Hibbert C

Key backups
J Crawford 6th man of the year

Joe Johnson sign and trade with San Antonio for Manu Ginobli
M Williams and Bibby traded for Roy Hibbert

ClownStephenson

April 30th, 2010
2:19 pm

The Hawks should just throw up the white flag (or throw in the towel) and just give up. Even if the Hawks were to win tonight they would get blitzed in game 7. three years ago the Hawks thought they were studs as they forced Boston to a game 7. In game 7 in Boston, the Hawks were part of the biggest Boston Masacre in nba history as the Hawks were embarrased by 40 points by the eventual nba champion boston celtics. Whats the use of the hawks forcing a seventh game when you know they will get blown out in it. Just quit and give up now, youve been doing it all year in the fourth quarters of the blown games that you’ve forfeited. THE HAWKS JUST STINK TO HIGH HEAVEN PURE AND SIMPLE. The only way to fix it is to fire the head coach.

terrell

April 30th, 2010
2:29 pm

LMAO at BigTimeTECHFan

ChuckMabry

April 30th, 2010
2:33 pm

Its a shame that Mike Woodsen is clueless about developing and bringing along point guards. Woody did a good job with josh smith, who is a forward, but point guards dont get enough playing time to develop since woody seems to be sold on bibby as being the savior of the hawks. Case in point: had woody given the rookie Teague a ton of playing time this season, Teague would be ready now as the playoffs unfold to perform at point just as good as Chris Paul of the Hornets. Its just an unfortunate situation that we have a bonehead coach who is BLOCKING or PREVENTING the success of our young talents. So now you know the person who is responsible for BLOCKING the success of the Hawks. Its Mike Woodsen. Dont extend him, fire him instead.

PANDEMONEUM

April 30th, 2010
3:17 pm

u guys dont know how trades work
the $ has to match or be real close
and do u think other teams benefit from the guys you want to give away?

BUCKS going to win this game tonight

if the Hawks DONT re-sign JJ, then get a new coach, and trade all of the players you can
teague and horford r still young, and you can build a team around them
it will be almost impossible to get equal value in return for the players you want and should, trade
so go for draft picks and youngs, and re-build the team with a new coach
in 4 years, the team should be ready to make a run at the #4 spot again

FEAR THE DEER

GO BUCKS GO
GO BUCKS GO
GO BUCKS GO
GO BUCKS GO
GO BUCKS GO

FEAR THE DEER

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tTbBFthGQQ

S Hawk Fan

April 30th, 2010
3:25 pm

I don’t have to worry about access to the hawks locker room so I will join the other logical thinking people in Atlanta…. Woody has to go or we will never be a championship team! There you go!!!!

hawkville

April 30th, 2010
3:34 pm

What they need, how about passing the ball, trusting your teammates, and not choking in the 4 quarter.

Atlanta Fawks

April 30th, 2010
3:36 pm

So I hear on the radio some Hawks get two limos and go to Chicago last night?

I HOPE THEY LOSE TONIGHT AND CLEAN HOUSE OF ALL THESE PUNKS MORE INTERESTED IN GETTING THEIR TIGER WOODS ON THAN WINNING!!!!!

northcyde

April 30th, 2010
3:38 pm

JJ . . . if you start out hot . . . GO SUPERNOVA man. If not, play the team game and see if those other guys can get it done.

O'Brien

April 30th, 2010
3:39 pm

northcyde,

“The key to this game is surviving the initial run. San Antonio jumped all over Dallas last night, partially because Dallas was so tight, that they couldn’t make a shot. Once that happened, the game was over”.

Dallas eventually came back and led 57-56 with about 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. So they also survived the initial run, and had a chance in the fourth.

From sekou on nba.com;

“Like Woodson, Hawks’ captain and four-time All-Star Joe Johnson will be a free agent this summer, too. While there is no indication that his fate is tied to Woodson’s, there is little chance one will return without the other.

Woodson’s first contract was up three years ago, after he guided the Hawks to their first playoff appearance in 11 years. Johnson was the one player that spoke out in support of his coach before Woodson was rewarded with a two-year extension”.

Clyde

April 30th, 2010
3:43 pm

Let Woody and JJ go!!!!!!!

FIRE WOODY

hawkville

April 30th, 2010
4:04 pm

Northcyde

The group of guys u listed, r the same group of guys who’s been on the court for every fourth quarter meltdown. Its that memememe attitude that’s killing them along with that Guy they call coach

sleepy

April 30th, 2010
4:07 pm

@Fundamentals .. well said I agree with your take on the situation Ive been saying since January that for our starting lineup to have been together for 3 straight years they dont play like it. There was never any sense of urgency.They didnt play like hey lets go for the hawks record for wins or the league best record. They played like hey this is good enough for ATL standards and its very disturbing.

The league wide recognition is perhaps the worst things that ever happened to this team .

CingHawks

April 30th, 2010
4:11 pm

Teague matches Jennings in speed, hieght and weight, while Jennings is a better scorer, I think Teague might defend him better than what we’ve seen so far. What would it hurt to have Teague defend him for a minute or two, put the kid in and give him a chance to stink some then clear the air.

SashaStevens

April 30th, 2010
4:16 pm

I think the Hawks would be smart to trade Marvin Williams for Dirk Norwinski. Dirk is a proven scorer and he is getting nowhere in Dallas. Mark Cuban might be willing to part with Dirk at a reasonable price. Mavin needs a chance of scenery and playing in Dallas would rejuvenate his carrer. Lets acquire Dirk in a trade and attempt to win the nba crown.

VenomSpitter

April 30th, 2010
4:31 pm

LMAOOOOOOOOOOO u think the Mavs would trade Dirk for Duck

PANDEMONEUM

April 30th, 2010
4:38 pm

when making a trade, the salaries from the players involved, have to match
so if Dirk is making 10 million (just an example) you have to give up as many players as it takes to match that 10 million, say bibby at 6 million + marvin at 4 million which = 10 million
and
why would Dallas trade Dirk for Bibby and Marvin ? that would never happen

*****
i could see a trade to Memphis
trade Jsmith, get some benchers and a draft pick, memphis has lots of picks the next 2 years
Jsmith = 11.6
Sam Young 900k + DeMarre Carroll 1.1 + Hamed Haddadi 1.8 + Marko Jaric 7.6 + 1st round draft pick
i think memphis would love this trade, and it makes sense for them
other than having 2 PFs Jsmith and Zach Randolph
but Zach is in the last year of his contract
conley, mayo, gay, zach, gasol – jsmith, thabeet, brewer

sleepy

April 30th, 2010
4:57 pm

I dont know Sasha did you see this years playoffs ? They would have to at least offer Dirk + a #1 + 3 million in cash. That would at least get us to the table .

mine

May 3rd, 2010
11:18 pm

You actually have the gaul to knock Antoine Walker on that team? If it wasn’t for him that team would have won no games.

LarryWilcox

May 4th, 2010
4:55 pm

I wonder how the Hawk fan base will react when the Hawks go up on the Magic in the series 3-0. If it happens, and I expect that it will, the Hawks will get FOUR CHANCES TO CLOSE OUT THE SERIES.