Atlanta Hawks Squawks Game 5: Bucks 91, Hawks 87

Woody didn't help his case in Game 5.

Woody didn't help his case in Game 5.

– So it’s come to this for the Hawks: Woody invoking his days in Detroit, when the Pistons won a Game 6 at New Jersey and then clinched the series at home in the East semifinals. “We’re a long ways away from Detroit, I know,” he said. “But that’s how guys have got to think.”

– They can think it, and maybe that’s all they have to go on right now, but it doesn’t make it true. That Pistons team was led by tough-minded veterans. They’d already been to the East finals. They played defense with zeal in a system they were committed to. They shared the ball on offense and didn’t have a star who dominated the ball.

– The Hawks are nothing like that. They are facing elimination by a six seed missing its two best players and run by a rookie point guard. And they got to this point with a collapse that I’d call incredible except I saw similar Hawks folds so many times down the stretch.

– The only remarkable part about this one was it happened at home, where the Hawks usually pulled out these kind of games. Not this time. “This is like a bad dream,” Jamal said while slumped in a chair in the locker room.

– The Hawks led by nine with four minutes to play, and then they fell apart. “I thought we shot jumps shots and I thought we didn’t execute,” Woody said. “We really had control of the game. Our composure down the stretch, we really just let it get away.”

– Again, this is nothing we haven’t seen before from the Hawks.

– Now the Hawks go back to the Bradley Center, where they were blown out in Game 3 and couldn’t defend in either game. “We’re going to go win,” Al said. “No question about it. That’s the bottom line. We have to bring it back to Atlanta.”

– The Hawks fell into a trap with all their talk about earning home court advantage during the season and now using it in this series. I mean, they were talking that way after Game 3. Now they don’t have that advantage and face an elimination game on the road.

– Home wasn’t so great for the Hawks, anyway. There was a palpable nervousness in the arena throughout the first half and the Hawks looked tight. “Didn’t appear either team had the normal intensity for a Game 5,” Scott Skiles said. “I attribute that to we haven’t been in a game like this before.”

– In other words, the Bucks are relative playoffs neophytes. The Hawks aren’t. So why does this make two games out of five where the Bucks played with more poise when things got tight?

– The Hawks finally carved out some space from the Bucks in the third quarter, when Al made 4 of 5 shots and Marvin scored nine points while making 3 of 3 free throws. But then the fourth quarter came and the Hawks went back to their usual panicky offense.

– “We really weren’t getting good looks,” Al said. “We were forcing some stuff and got away from some of the things that were working for us earlier in the game. We kind of got exposed on the offensive end.”

– Not to be redundant, but we’ve seen this from the Hawks before.

– Probably if the Bucks hadn’t lost Bogut to an injury they wouldn’t even be the six seed. But if they had him in this series, it would be over already. “He’s an all-league caliber defender,” Skiles said. “We miss his ability to plug the middle. His shot-blocking, his rebounding his back-to-the-basket game. We don’t have that. But we are finding a way. We have to do it by committee.”

– Remember, Bogut wasn’t injured until April 3. The Bucks had to scramble to patch things together. They did it well enough to finish the seasons strong and put the Hawks on the ropes. “We didn’t have a lot of time to get continuity and a feel for each other,” Skiles said. “These guys just keep battling and going on.”

– It’s such a stark contrast to watch the Bucks, lacking the Hawks’ depth of offensive talent, quickly work the ball around the court until they find a gap in the Hawks’ D and get off a good shot. Then the Hawks pound the ball, stand around, force bad shots and generally have no offensive flow when they are met with resistance.

– Marvin scored 22 points and it didn’t matter. That’s because Joe, Bibby and Jamal combined to shoot 11 of 49.

– Jamal is having a bad series. He’s not the only one, of course, but he just hasn’t looked the same in his first postseason. “”It was good shots,” he said of his 4 for 14 night. “I was just short all night.”

- Joe fouled out for the first time since Jan., 2008, a span of 229 games. He’s fouled out in three of 699 regular-season games and never in the playoffs. Crawford missed all four shots after J.J. was gone with 2:15 to play. “We depend on him down the stretch but that’s no excuse,” Woody said. “We’ve got other guys that can score.”

– Woody’s future with the Hawks is in doubt. ASG’s Michael Gearon Jr. has made it clear that the team is being judged on its performance in the playoffs. I tried to talk to Gearon at halftime but he begged off and headed up to his suite.

– If the Hawks lose this series, chances are he’ll have something to say. Even if the Hawks advance to meet Orlando is anyone expecting them to suddenly figure things out?

– “It’s win or go home,” Jamal said. “That’s the slogan. That’s what it is.”

– I’m out, Hawks fans.

MC

287 comments Add your comment

Najeh Davenpoop

April 29th, 2010
12:26 am

Salmons and Jennings come through in crunch time because their coach doesn’t make them play 1-on-5.

FIRE WOODY

Najeh Davenpoop

April 29th, 2010
12:27 am

The one big game in which Marvin steps up and plays his azz off, he sits on the bench for half the fourth quarter while Jamal Crawford, who has struggled THIS ENTIRE SERIES, is shooting brick after brick.

FIRE WOODY

Najeh Davenpoop

April 29th, 2010
12:27 am

We booed the Hawks off the floor. They deserved it.

FIRE WOODY

Najeh Davenpoop

April 29th, 2010
12:28 am

I tried my best to get the FIRE WOODSON (clap clap clapclapclap) chant started… a couple of people picked it up, but I think most of them were too disgusted to join in.

I threw my free jizz towels provided by DASG as far towards the court as I could. I wasn’t alone.

FIRE WOODY

Najeh Davenpoop

April 29th, 2010
12:30 am

The players are not exempt from criticism — blowing a 9-point lead in 2 minutes in crunch time is a total team effort. The Hawks got out-hustled and out-smarted in the most important part of the game. That doesn’t change the fact that they wouldn’t have even been in that position if they had a working half-court offense that put players in position to score as easily as possible instead of making every player go one-on-one.

FIRE WOODY

Najeh Davenpoop

April 29th, 2010
12:34 am

Yes, Josh made several dumb plays. Yes, Jamal and Joe took several bad shots and didn’t take over the game like the 6th man of the year and a guy looking for a max contract should. Yes, Al Horford looked overmatched trying to post up Kurt Thomas. Yes, Bibby failed at his one key role, to stretch the defense with his 3-point shooting. Yes, they all collectively failed to focus and make key plays in crunch time, despite having a terrific sellout crowd cheering their every move.

That doesn’t change the fact that none of them would feel the need to force the issue like they did if the Hawks ran a working offense. Ball movement is nonexistent with the Hawks. With the athletes and versatility they have, if they ran even the same offense that Skiles runs (which is nothing amazingly innovative or spectacular) they would be impossible to guard.

FIRE WOODY

VenomSpitter

April 29th, 2010
12:35 am

Someone on twitter said this “Ask Madden is a better coach than Mike Woodson”

LMAO

Najeh Davenpoop

April 29th, 2010
12:36 am

Just so nobody forgets, the Hawks are at full strength and have been all season, while the Bucks are missing their two best players and are playing a rookie at point guard.

Before you try to make excuses for the Hawks, ask yourself how this series would have gone if the Bucks had Redd and Bogut and the Hawks were missing Joe Johnson and Al Horford and were starting Teague at point guard.

FIRE WOODY

Feer the Deer

April 29th, 2010
12:38 am

Hello everyone in Atlanta your coach will need not be fired, his contract is expiring this year……

Even if you are a Hawks fan that was a really good game to watch at least it was not a blow out like the other 4 games.

The Truth

April 29th, 2010
12:39 am

Trust me Hawks Fans, this too shall pass…

404atlhoops

April 29th, 2010
12:40 am

I agree with Najeh’s second post. Marvin was the only one who was scoring within the flow of the offense and Woody was pulling him in and out of the game. After scoring 9pts in the first quarter Woody takes Marvin out. Then when Josh returns from the lockerroom in the third quarter he substitutes Marvin for Josh. This was after the Hawks went on the run to go up by 13. I don’t get it. Why did the Hawks keep going to Hortford in the 4th when he kept forcing up bad shot after bad shot? Hortford shot 21 times. That’s way too many. I was at the game and it’s just shocking the Hawks are facing elimination. The bottom line is the Bucks just play hard and the Hawks don’t.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 29th, 2010
12:40 am

Before you say the Bucks players just have more heart, keep in mind that many of these players were irrelevant before Skiles came to the Bucks.

Good coaching beats atrocious coaching.

FIRE WOODY

Cannon

April 29th, 2010
12:43 am

I’m at a loss for words. I paid my $70 to sit lower level. My hard earned money, and I get a team that can’t get it together and bickers like school girls, and a coach who has not a single adjustment all series. Needless to say unless drastic changes are made in the off season the Hawks won’t be seeing my money that they saw this year from my half-season ticket plan.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 29th, 2010
12:44 am

And keep in mind that even if you don’t think Joe Johnson deserves the max, the Hawks don’t have cap space to sign a free agent (like Wade) outright if they let Johnson go. The only chance the Hawks have is to sign-and-trade Joe for someone, and the chances of getting someone of equal value for him are slim to none.

In other words, if they let him go, they would have to take a significant step back before they return to the 50-win level, which may take several seasons.

Joe may be flawed, but he is still a top 10 wing scorer in this league, and if he got to play in an actual offense he (along with the rest of the roster) would only improve.

FIRE WOODY

Najeh Davenpoop

April 29th, 2010
12:45 am

The only way Woody earns back my trust is if the Hawks win this series and take the Magic to 7 games. To be completely honest, I don’t think the Hawks will keep the margin of defeat under 30 on Friday.

FIRE WOODY

Cannon

April 29th, 2010
12:46 am

Only way this team is gonna get better is if Woody kicks rocks, and we can possibly send Marvin , and one of Smoove, or Horford to Phoenix for Amare Stoudemire. Of course we’d also have to re-up with JJ.

But this is just a dream it would never happen.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 29th, 2010
12:46 am

“Even if you are a Hawks fan that was a really good game to watch at least it was not a blow out like the other 4 games.”

A good game to watch involves both teams playing well. The Bucks played well in today’s game. The Hawks played well for about 8 minutes in the 3rd quarter. Other than that, they played just as sh-tty as they did in Game 3, Game 4, and the 2nd half of Game 1.

All together, the Hawks have played 7 quarters of good basketball in this series.

FIRE WOODY

Clyde

April 29th, 2010
12:48 am

Clyde

April 29th, 2010
12:48 am

FIRE WOODY ALL OVER THE PLACE. I LOVE IT

FIRE WOODY

Najeh Davenpoop

April 29th, 2010
12:49 am

Oh yeah, and I’ve seen some people complain about the officiating… don’t even bring that sh-t in here. Yes, the refs were bad, but they are not the reason for the Hawks’ collapse.

FIRE WOODY

sam'l

April 29th, 2010
12:50 am

Gearon ain’t gonna say anything cause his ass is on the line too. Losing what was it 250 million dollars (don’t remember) in the last few years. The irony is, that after all the screwed up ownership issues, the marketing fiascos, the total lack of quality basketball for years, this team is very very talented. And the coach is very very bad. If I were not a Hawk fan, I would find it poetic justice if Woodson were forced to coach the Hawks next year without Joe Johnson and end up with 37 wins.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 29th, 2010
12:51 am

If I was Michael Gearon, I would walk into the locker room before Friday’s game and tell everyone loud and clear that they are playing and coaching for their jobs. If that doesn’t light a fire under them I don’t think anything will. F-ck a pep talk, this team needs an alarm.

FIRE WOODY

Clyde

April 29th, 2010
12:51 am

THE BUCKS JUST WON 3 STRAIGHT AND WOODY IS STILL TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT

FIRE WOODY

The Truth

April 29th, 2010
12:52 am

I feel a great disturbance in the force. Yes the tide has shifted but don’t forget the story of “The Turtle and the Hare”. The Hare was so much quicker and was so sure of the outcome of the race; he decided to catch a nap during the race only to lose in the end. The moral of this story: IT AIN’T OVER UNTIL IT’S OVER!!!

Mista Gamer

April 29th, 2010
12:52 am

“Coach”, you seem to be the only “coach” in the league that truly believes that his 4’s and 5’s can check 1’s and 2’s on the perimeter!! I mean doesn’t that effectively take away your size advantage on the post when your big men are trying to check guards out on the perimeter? Doesn’t that take away from your rebounding? Doesn’t that negate Josh Smith’s shot blocking help defense in the paint?

How can your “superstar” end the game on the bench, fouled out, with 13 points? And why does your “superstar” insist on dribbling the ball til 4 seconds left on the clock. Haven’t you drawn up a play he could be running?

Hey “superstar” aren’t you 6′8? Why do you play like you’re 5′6? Why so many floaters? Ever thought that may be the reason you don’t draw fouls?

Hey “Coach”, how many times did you ignore the isolation post play with Rignour trying to match Marvin Williams? Did you not find that match up enticing?

Hey “coach” wasn’t Marvin your hot man? When the team went through a scoring drought of Iso-Joe’s did you not have a play to get Marvin the ball? Maybe Horford the ball in the post?

Hey “Coach” what is your offensive identity by the way? Bet on a run out off a defensive play? What exactly are you doing during those timeouts when you’re drawing on that court board?

Hey “Coach” since game 3 have you not recognized that Skiles has made an adjustment against your collegiate switching D?

Hey “Coach” maybe you should employ your most effective coaching strategy yet and cut your eyebrows off again. I mean, that was a stroke of coaching genius.

Hey “Coach” Jennings is a pretty fast guy. Bibby and jamal have feet of cinder blocks. I know you have a pretty good disdain for rookies BUT…. do you think that Teague just may be able to ride Jennings enough to upset the flow of the Buck’s offensive?

Hey “Coach” ever heard of an adjustment? You might want to look into it because the NBA does allow those. You won’t get fined for it.

Hey “Coach”….”Coach”???? Anybody home? Guess you’ve gone fishing… for some reason you seem to always checkout in crunch time. I guess I know where your players get it from!

sam'l

April 29th, 2010
12:52 am

That said, and I edited myself to stay within limits…..

That said, the commentator deserves credit for chasing Gearon down and trying to get him to talk. and also for writing what he saw, which won’t necessarily make him the most popular columnist in town.

VenomSpitter

April 29th, 2010
12:53 am

We need to get Nick Nolte to chew the hawks out like he did on Blue Chips: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz1ZvOcmBQs

Najeh Davenpoop

April 29th, 2010
12:54 am

The Hawks are 22nd in the league in salary for this season, but they are only $3 million away from the median salary. The cumulative effect of everything the DASG has done results in me not liking them much, but I can’t deny that they have accumulated enough talent on this team for them to do much better than get upset in the first round. They are not at fault here.

FIRE WOODY

welikebaseball2

April 29th, 2010
12:54 am

Oh well, why not…FIRE WOODY

Najeh Davenpoop

April 29th, 2010
12:55 am

“The Hare was so much quicker and was so sure of the outcome of the race; he decided to catch a nap during the race only to lose in the end. ”

The Hawks sound an awful lot like the hare to me. Kurt Thomas is a damn tortoise.

FIRE WOODY

Clyde

April 29th, 2010
12:56 am

THE TRUTH THAT WAS THE MOST BULLSH#T’N AZZ POST I HAVE EVER READ IN MY LIFE.

FIRE WOODY

Clyde

April 29th, 2010
1:00 am

THE BRAVES ………. SORRY AS HELL

THE THRASHERS……..SORRY AS HELL

THE FALCONS………..SORRY AS HELL

GEORGIA TECH……….SORRY AS HELL

SOUTHERN POLY………SORRY AS HELL

GEORGIA BULLDOGS……….SORRY AS HELL

ATLANTA DREAM………SORRY AS HELL

ATLANTA HAWKS………..SORRY AS HELL

FIRE WOODY

Clyde

April 29th, 2010
1:02 am

I HOPE THAT’S THE LAST TIME I EVER SEE WOODY AT PHILLIPS ARENA

FIRE WOODY

Clyde

April 29th, 2010
1:03 am

GET STEVE SMITH ON THE LINE SO HE CAN COACH US NEXT YEAR

FIRE WOODY

Najeh Davenpoop

April 29th, 2010
1:03 am

“There was a palpable nervousness in the arena throughout the first half and the Hawks looked tight.”

We were nervous because we expected the Hawks to come out and punch the Bucks in the mouth. Instead, they let the Bucks hang around and Brandon Jennings got off to a hot start, and we knew at that moment this would be a fight until the very end. And we have all seen too many Hawks collapses this year to be confident in their ability to pull it out — especially in light of the debacles in Games 3 and 4.

I posted about halfway through the second quarter from my phone, when the Bucks and Hawks were tied at 32, that if the Bucks came out of the timeout on a run the place would start booing the Hawks. I’m not sure that wouldn’t have been better. Maybe the boos would have actually awakened them to how terribly they were playing.

Then again, they can try as hard as they want — if they keep running the same sh-tty scheme against a great coach like Skiles, eventually they are going to get picked apart.

Great stuff by the way MC. Terrific game recap. Couldn’t agree more with your observations.

FIRE WOODY

Clyde

April 29th, 2010
1:03 am

TYRONE CORBIN BEEN SITTING UNDER JERRY SLOAN FOR YEARS CALL HIM UP

FIRE WOODY

Najeh Davenpoop

April 29th, 2010
1:04 am

“I HOPE THAT’S THE LAST TIME I EVER SEE WOODY AT PHILLIPS ARENA”

You sure you don’t want to see him as an opposing coach? Preferably for Orlando or Cleveland at some point?

FIRE WOODY

Clyde

April 29th, 2010
1:05 am

HAWKS ARE AT FULL STRENGTH AND THEY STILL CAN’T BEAT THE BUCKS. WHAT THE EXCUSE THIS YEAR WOODY. YOUR TEAM AIN’T YOUNG ANYMORE.

FIRE WOODY

Wabe

April 29th, 2010
1:05 am

Mista Gunner,

Post of the postseason.

Hilarious.

Scott

April 29th, 2010
1:06 am

The Hawks build a lead playing team basketball and then try to protect it by going one on one with pull-up jumpers. When they pass and run a real offense, they are fun to watch. when they go one on one, they are painful to watch.

Wabe

April 29th, 2010
1:07 am

I find the Denver/Utah game interesting. Denver’s playing their 2nd unit, including rookie PG Tye Lawson, with 8 minutes left in the game.

Didn’t think it was possible.

Clyde

April 29th, 2010
1:07 am

IF WOODY WAS SMART HE WOULD START LOOKING FOR A GOOD REAL ESTATE AGENT

FIRE WOODY

Najeh Davenpoop

April 29th, 2010
1:07 am

Hawks get their azz kicked… Braves get their azz kicked… I’m gonna go watch the new South Park. I hope that doesn’t suck too.

FIRE WOODY

Najeh Davenpoop

April 29th, 2010
1:09 am

If the Hawks were smart they would invest in some high quality fishing equipment. I hear Lake Michigan has some mighty fine marine life this time of year.

FIRE WOODY

Najeh Davenpoop

April 29th, 2010
1:10 am

Did you know that Tyronn Lue is an assistant coach for the Celtics?

I wouldn’t even mind him at this point.

FIRE WOODY

Clyde

April 29th, 2010
1:11 am

WOODY = COY

FIRE WOODY

Clyde

April 29th, 2010
1:13 am

BYE BYE WOODY AND BOBBY

FIRE WOODY

Najeh Davenpoop

April 29th, 2010
1:15 am

If you stretch out all the FIRE WOODY’s on this page in one line, you could probably reach from New York to San Francisco.

FIRE WOODY

Clyde

April 29th, 2010
1:16 am

WE CAN LET WOODY GO BUT WE ARE STUCK WITH BIBBY FOR 2 MORE YEARS.

FIRE WOODY

Najeh Davenpoop

April 29th, 2010
1:19 am

Denver showing how to take care of home court when the pressure is on. I can’t WAIT to hear what Kenny and Charles have to say about the Hawks.

FIRE WOODY