Atlanta Hawks Squawks Game 4: Bucks 111, Hawks 104

MC, has anyone asked Joe why he does not voice displeasure during the game instead of letting things go on during the game and then talk about his teammates afterwards.

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If I hear the words “we like our core” from this moronic ownership group and GM one more time, I will puke. A good core is one like that of OKC, where there is still room to grow and put other pieces around it. This core has already maxed out it’s ability and will not sniff the finals or anything close to it.

I ask again, why the hell did we give Marvin’s duck butt a 5 year deal when nobody else wanted him? Completely inexcusable and a lazy job by Sund. I hate to say it, but we are headed for more rebuilding if JJ leaves and Marvin and Horford continue to regress.

What a pathetic organization.

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Sund’s offseason moves may have helped this team during this year’s regular season, but they did nothing to bring us closer to a title. We are now hamstrung by Marvin’s contract for 4 more years, Bibby for 2 more, and Zaza for 3 more. And for what? To win 53 games, have another useless 7 game first round series, and then get blown out in the 2nd round by a superior team? Just such a disgraceful organization and ownership group. Thank god for Arthur Blank, TD, and Mike Smith. Without that group, all 4 major sports teams in this city would be massive disappointments.

Keep up the good work MC.

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Mike Bibby is the determining factor to all of the teams problems. He can’t match up with his counterpart and it puts too much pressure on everyone else, killing us.

Is there a reason why Jennings dribbles around in circles when the likes of Al Horford and Pachulia play matador defense while he simply floats a shot with 3 seconds left on the clock. I can’t imagine a guy like Rondo allowing his centers out on an island like that just dying a slow death.

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Bye Joe. Been fun watching you grow.
No one listens to or respects Woody.
No leadership.
Stupid stupid money spent on Marvin and Bibby. (Zaza i think is a solid backup)

Was downright embarassing. Currently living in Cleveland and friends with many Cavs fans, I had to go to a friends house to watch because it was on NBA TV. ended up having to apologize for such a poor performance. Was eye-opening to hear the other announcers talk about the immaturity of the Hawks, “get angry Josh Smith, get a technical!” There are so many things so obviously wrong about this team. Its hard to be a fan. My friends try to tell me not to get worked up over it but its frustrating. No one watches this team. If the players are going to act like they have something better to do, so are the fans.

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We are built very well to succeed in the regular season when we’re playing in empty arenas, and the team needs no lift of motivation. But Woodsen just can’t seem to get these guy’s going and light a fire in them, and that is 100% his job. We’ve now seen this going on 3 straight years. Why should we expect it to change in the future? Let Woodys contract run out, and let’s part ways. We need a coach who can do some motivating. However if we can’t re-sign JJ it’s a mute point, as we’ll struggle to capture the 8 seed next season, and a sure quick departure from Cleveland, or Orlando will be our fate.

I still think we beat the Bucks in 7 due to the sole fact that we have home-court.

Orlando will dominate us. It won’t be much of a series.

And all this is coming from a die-hard Hawk fan who has supported Woody all season.

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nice job ATL. after all that season long chatter.. you’ve really just re-gressed. Getting swept by the Cavs in round two would look pretty good at this point, wouldn’t it?

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FIRE WOODY

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I thought your team was going to smoke the Bucks. I was hoping to get the C’s instead of you guys. I thought … without Bogut, we wouldn’t have a chance! The Bucks saving grace might have been that they lost the first 2 games… nobody (including your team) thought we had a chance.

Josh Smith is an awesome player but he needs to grow up and not insult an entire city/state with his comments about Milwaukee. Maybe the Bucks have stepped up in support of their fans!?! Watching games 1 & 2 were like trying to watch somebody read a book at a library. Maybe, just maybe.. there is more to do in Atlanta than watch a team that could/will lose to a team without it’s leader (and team nobody thought would even make the playoffs). Josh, if you are reading… tell your fans to man up and go to game 5!

Here’s an idea, maybe the owners could offer a partial money back guarantee if they beat the Bucks? Oh wait, that didnt work in the past now did it! Good luck in Milwaukee when we finish the series (hopefully).

Say hello to Ludacris for me… he has some awesome songs about drinking and driving!

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In response to your question, Najeh, I choose option (B). Here is my reasoning:

The Bobcats had several critical problems which prevent them from having a solid chance at beating the Magic. First off, they are at a significant talent disadvantage offensively. The have a team with very few shooters, possibly the fewest shooters in the league. Their main perimeter threat is Stephen Jackson, who can be very inconsistent. Their other star player (Gerald Wallace) thrives primarily from attacking the paint, while their bigs are extremely limited offensively. Without a legitimate threat on the inside, Dwight Howard was relatively free to roam around the basket on defense during that series, which explain why he was racking up blocks at such a frequent rate. This coupled with the hard-nosed strategy by the Bobcats to attack the paint played right into the hands of Dwight while he was in the game. They did a good job of racking up quick fouls on dwight using this strategy as well, however, it did them little good, since, as I mentioned earlier, they have relatively no offensive threats on the inside, aside from Diaw (if you want to call him a true big man).

The other real achilles heal for the Bobcats was their inability to defend the perimeter against the magic’s endless array of shooters. This is what makes the Magic most dangerous, honestly, not Dwight Howard, although he is one of the reasons their perimeter offense is so potent, but the fact that 4 out of 5 guys that Orlando has on the floor at any given time can reliably known down the three ball. With a lineup that features tall, somewhat immoble men like Chandler, Mohammed, Wallace, and even Jackson (who looked a step slow chasing the magic guards), it is difficult for the Bobcats to stay in front of their men during cuts and switches while Jameer Nelson both penetrates and shoots very well. In the end, it was the three point shooting of the Magic and the inability to score by the Bobcats that got them ultimately swept.

Now, on to the Hawks. The Hawks have several advantages over the Bobcats. First and foremost, the Hawks have scorers and guards that can shoot reliably in Johnson, Crawford, and Bibby. The Hawks also have the quickness and mobility to guard Orlando’s perimeter players with Johnson, Teague (although he probably wouldn’t play much due to his offensive limitations), Evans, and even crawford. The Hawks also have the luxury of having Bigs that are versatile enough to guard a guy like Rashard Lewis on the perimeter who is typically to quick and deceptive for traditional 4’s.

Now, in terms of inside, the Hawks seemed to have finally figured out a strategy that works relatively well against Dwight Howard on offense (I’ll get to defense in a bit). Al Horford has something that most centers in this league do not: the ability to knock down the mid-range jumper and stretch the defense. Considering Al has become a deadly mid-range shooter for a big man, he can pull Dwight away from the basket on offense, which leaves the lane open for drives and limits Dwight’s ability to grab offensive rebounds. Keep in the mind that aside from Dwight Howard, the Magic have very weak interior defense, and Dwight’s rejections come mostly from help-side defense. If Dwight tries to help on a drive and leaves Al open, Al will most likely make him pay (just as he did in the last Magic-Hawks game at the Highlight Factory). If Dwight stays with Al, that leaves the lane open for much more penetration and the Hawks are quite effective at scoring in the paint. The Hawks can also expose Rashard Lewis in the post who has proven to be quite uncomfortable guarding post players with Josh Smith or Al Horford. This discussion could turn into a novel quickly, so I’m going to move on to defense now.

On defense, so many teams seem to overlook this, but I truly believe that the Magic’s biggest weapon is the three point shot, and I would rather give up a 3 than a dunk or contested shot by Dwight Howard, that is why I think it is absolutely critical to put the highest priority on defending the perimeter against the Magic. The Hawks signed their third-string backup big men for a reason, and they would do well to play Dwight straight up, regardless of whom is guarding them. Statistically, Al has done a pretty good job when defending Dwight individually in the post, and it would be foolish to gamble and double off of a three point shooter on Dwight. Follow the Charles Barkley strategy and play Dwight straight up. If the bigs get in foul trouble, there are more than enough fouls to go around with 4 centers on the team. If Dwight scores 50 and beats the Hawks single-handedly, so be it, but I don’t think he’s gifted enough offensively to do that.

Now, in terms of defending the perimeter, I would go with the following match-ups. Under no circumstances would I put Mike Bibby on Jameer Nelson. That is just a recipe for quick defeat. Joe should cover Jameer, while Marvin guards Vince Carter, and the Hawks can afford to hide mike bibby on Matt Barnes since he is clearly the Magic’s most limited offensive perimeter player. I’m not a big fan of this, but Josh would have to assigned to guard Rashard Lewis, he may not have the quickness on the perimeter to do so, but his efforts on the offensive and defensive glass help to give the Hawks an advantage in this match-up. Also, Mo Evans is versatile enough to defend just about any of the Magic’s perimeter players, which is a plus for the Hawks. Teague could get some quality minutes in this series for his defense on the quick cutting perimeter players from the Magic like JJ Redick and Nelson.

One last thing on defense, the Hawks cannot afford to use their traditional switching defense on the Magic considering this will result in easy baskets and and-1s for Dwight along with the big’s likely getting burned by some of the quick Magic guards (I can’t image Zaza trying to guard Nelson or Redick, that would be horrible). It might be effective to try a variant of that similar to the rotation scheme the Hawks used in their last meeting against the magic. However, we absolutely cannot afford to leave Dwight without a big man guarding him.

Now, I’m not saying the above strategies are full-proof or would allow the Hawks to win a series against the Magic ( I honestly think the Magic are the best team in the league right now, far better than cleveland, overall), but provided that this scheme is followed and the Hawks play to their strengths and take advantage of the transition game and the points in the paint, I think the Hawks could at least win one game in that series.

Of course, I doubt woody would use the scheme mentioned above. I’m not putting him down or anything like that, but the adjustments mentioned above seem to risque for Woodson considering his determined approach to stick with what the Hawks have done in the past.

I hope you enjoyed this novel.

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It’s not over until it’s over, BucksNutts. Just wanted to throw that in.

On a positive note, I have to say that it is nice to see someone with the right attitude posting on here. The sad thing is that it is a fan of another team. At any rate, your comments are sensible, for the most part. Just keep in mind, this series is far from over and when it’s all said and done, we may be wishing your team good luck next year and preparing for the Magic. You never know in the playoffs. Best of luck to you and may the best team win.

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lol buck nutss…………..guess the lakers will lose at home too.pffff

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well we tied to a sub par team in Milwaukee who is a lame duck team Maybe Movin to a new city.Would not blame all sudden they have fans now to late they be playin in seattle in 2 years.As for Josh smith mouth as wide as coach woodson ass.We done we lose Game5 before a crowd of ushers n a library card.We not sold out can u see why are Owner the GM n coach are as clueless as don waddell 5 year plan! Even if we did win next 2 and end series 4-2 we get so bad by orlando u get excuse from Woodson n son Josh Smith and the 20.345 who will cheer for cleveland here anyway.Oh no worrys cleveland will not win NBA title cause orlando will be in final again.

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Josh is an impetuous child. He is too big of a p*ssy to ever be an elite player, even though he has more physical talent than anyone in the games besides Lebron and Dwight.

It is sickening to watch him become a total whimp every time this teams goes on the road. They have no shame, no embarrassment. Just a bunch of p*ssies.

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GUYS WE JUST HAVE TO SWEEP MILWAUKEE BECAUSE CHARLOTTE WILL TAKE ORLANDO TO 7

LMAO^^^^^^^^THIS IS WHAT SOME OF U GENIUSES WERE SAYING 1.5 WEEKS AGO

FIRE WOODY. WORST DEFENSE I’VE EVER SEEN. LOL @ BIBBY GIVING JENNINGS THE AND1 BY FOULING WHILE STATIONARY AND NOT EVEN ROTATING

HOW MANY MORE GODDAMN TIMES DO WE HAVE TO SEE MILWAUKEE GET AN OPEN LAYUP? WOULD ORLANDO, BOSTON, OR CLEVELAND BE GIVING UP THESE LAYUPS?

WHAT A JOKE. WOODY “DOESN’T GIVE A !@#$ ABOUT THE OFFENSE” AND CARES ABOUT DEFENSE YET OUR DEFENSE IS WORSE THAN OUR OFFENSE

AND WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR JAMAL TO GET SHOTS?

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“I wish I knew,” he said. “It’s been that way against the Cleveland Cavaliers. It’s been a close game in the fourth and we can’t seem to find any offense.”

LOL so Woodson still has NOT figured out how to beat the Knicks, Magic (besides that one game), and now the Cavs. This guy DOES NOT MAKE ADJUSTMENTS FROM GAME TO GAME. You HEARD Hubie and Jon Barry say it last night — we lost the exact same way last night we did the 2 previous times vs. Cleveland. Look at those Orlando losses — same thing.

WOODY DOES NOT MAKE ADJUSTMENTS. He DOES NOT “give a !@#$ about the offense” and that shows when we go ice cold in the 4th quarter.

We were OUTREBOUNDED BY 19 WITHOUT Shaq and Varejao (who is an absolute PEST on the glass) playing. Where was Collins to guard Ilgauskas?

This is a !@#$ing joke. This is NOT an elite team. Cleveland is so physical and they go for rebounds. We settle for these !@#damn jumpshots, DON’T box out, and we have NO OFFENSIVE PLAN — JUST A FEW TALENTED SCORERS.

This is the BEST and most accurate post I’ve made on here.

FIRE MIKE WOODSON

We all know Woodson and Marvin suck, but Marvin is at least a serviceable defender (good, but not great).

However, what will ultimately lead to our demise in the playoffs is the fact that Bibby CANNOT guard anyone in this league. What this means is that Woodson, who already has stiff rotations, will give Bibby few minutes against the quicker PGs (which is every other starting and bench PG in this league), Crawford will get burnt out play 38 minutes at PG every night, and we will therefore suffer.

I SAID BEFORE THE SEASON BIBBY HAD TO LOSE WEIGHT AND GET QUICKER BUT HE IS OBVIOUSLY OUT OF SHAPE. LOOK AT HIS UPPER BODY. HE HAS NO SPEED AND CAN TAKE NO POINT GUARDS OFF THE DRIBBLE. ALSO, HE CANNOT STAY IN FRONT OF ANYONE, NOR DOES HE TRY

FIRE MIKE KNAPP

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FIRE MIKE

BIBBY
and WOODSON

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also pathetic that 51% of 800 people who’ve voted on this website’s poll for who will win the series, have chosen milwaukee.

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Why do I feel Salmons has 6 feet to shoot EVERY time he has the ball? Why the hell is Marvin standing so far back?

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Paul Hackett:

*[in reference to your previous post]
“They have no shame, no embarrassment. Just a bunch of p_ss__s.”
(referring to our Hawks/Josh Smith in particular)
“Teams usually take on the personality of their coach.”
This is a well known b-ball axiom……………..^
Repeatedly stated by the TV people on a number of occasions
during the series, mostly in regards to skiles and the
Bucks relentless style of play.
Just Sayin’

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I’m so frustrated, can I sit on your lap Big Ray?

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You dummys need to just calm down.

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LEA,

Shut up. I’ve hardly missed a home game in the past 6-years. Go F yourself.

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I have tried to stick by Woody with the consistent improvements year-after-year, however it is obvious to me (and others) that he has taken us as far as we can go. Skiles is out-coaching him tactically as his team has made the key adjustments that has turn the tide in this series. Not to mention the fact that he for some reason cannot get the same focus and effort from his team on the road that he gets from them at home. Time for a change!

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IMPOSE your WILL!

If the Hawks Impose their WILL on the Bucks? The Game Plan will be:

INSIDE – Peanut Butter & OUTSIDE – Jelly!
(That means the BUTTER is in the PAINT. & The sweet jumpers/3 pointers are on the perimeter)

Play Inside – Out Hawks. Play some man to mad defense/zones & mix it up with switches. Do not be one-dimensional & predictable for the love of GOD!!!!!!

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Those of you making the “Celtics went 7 in the first round and won the title” excuse are missing the point. Unless you think the Hawks will go on to win the title after beating the Bucks, bringing up those teams is irrelevant.

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I think one of the Hawks key guys (particularly Joe or Josh) needs to publicly call out Woodson and his laughable coaching . Call out the ISOs and the switching.

If this happens, it would cause an uproar around the NBA and of course the vast majority of the league will agree that Woodson is clueless. Maybe then he’ll mix some things up, and try new/different things.

If that doesnt happen, Woodson will hold unto the grudge and limit the particular player’s minutes, look like a fool, and be ran out of town instantly.

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I don’t think the Bucks’ role players will be making outside shots at the same clip away from home, which is really the only reason the Hawks will win this series. Of course, if the Hawks can’t stop this team from making shots, what hope is there that they will even be able to slow Orlando down, let alone beat them?

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I am wondering if people saw the same game that I watched…. I am wondering if people can get their heads out of their a**es and look at the progress…. Yeah we lost. BUT WE WERE COMPETITIVE…. WE WORKED OUR BUTTS OFF. It had nothing to do with effort or the players “lack” of defense. It had to do with BAD COACHING.

Switch defense does not work for this team. The reason why is our weak defenders. (Zaza, Jamal, Bibby) They are picking us apart and the guys are getting confused out there. At least 15 points that game was from confusion on switch D. At least another 8 that I saw were from center vs PG. Yet, with the bad coaching and non receptiveness of Mike Woodson…. The guys played with heart. They gave a fight. They did get frustrated…. but wouldnt you if you gave 100% but lost because of loops holes in your defensive scheme?

Fans? You are no fans…. A fan realizes when a team improved and they did. The Bucks got a lot of lucky shots guys. Bucks were shooting like madmen guys. Give these Hawks a break. We missed some open shots and layups… If those were made we would have at least tied and go to overtime…. But again… The effort was there.

I am damn proud of the Hawks last night.

Woodson needs to get rid of that switch D or we will not last in these playoffs. Horford didn’t perform because he got in foul trouble early…. Why? Switch D. Why did Jennings get easy layups? Switch D. Why did Delfino get open? Switch D. Look at the facts and stop bashing our players. Maybe Joe is leaving not only because of weak performances, but it could also be because of our awful so called fan base… Well not really, only a couple of morons out there.

Go Hawks. Win it in six. Mike Woodson, the pressure is on you now. Play with what you got. Make adjustments or get a new job.

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@Section303

Josh did give up on some plays and you are right about that but he stepped up on offense. I would give up on D too if our Coach was so thick headed not to make adjustments. Too many open shots.

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LouFan, you really should hold off on praise for Josh Smith on offense. He hit a bunch of jumpers. You really think he will do that, again? I don’t. He’s going to bank in 3-point shots next game? No, he isn’t.

I will agree that he had a few nice takes to the hoop. But, he is not playing up to his ability. He isn’t. I don’t know what the problem is. Is he worried too much about refs? Is he expecting the Bucks to just roll over? Is he choking? I don’t know. I just know he is better than what he is playing.

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The Hawks will still win this series, they just need to play with more intensity on the road at some point. There always seems to be something plaguing this team. Eventually they’ll get over it. Just late bloomers.

The problem remains that for several years the resident “basketball expert” refused to see the writing on the wall and get an elite PG when they had the chance. Now unless by some miracle they can find a young free agent who will leave thier team…. The Hawks simply aren’t going to get an elite PG.

For that matter how good would this team be if Bogut was playing center and Horford was at PF?

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The Hawks will win the next game by 25.

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LouFan, like I said, I’m coming around to that way of thinking. Skiles coached circles around Woodson last night. Woodson has a lot on the line this series.

Again, I don’t want him back if they go down this series.

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PMC, share your drugs. I’m not sure I think the Hawks will even win, let alone a 25 point beatdown.

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Amen Ken.

Section, glad you are starting to see the light on the weak coaching.

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The HAWKS played with more intensity last night, but not better execution. Woody, didn’t stick to his rotation plan that had been working all year. Woody left Evans in for a good stretch in the 4th, but that was the only positive move I saw from him. As a team, we need to learn from the Bucks. Coaches down to the players need to respect how the Bucks play with desperation. We missed shots in a key sequence in the 4th which could have tied the game. That was the one stretch where I saw us play with the right kind of attitude, but we didn’t play with the right kind of focus.

We need to show some more desperation or just be a lot strict with our execution. The ball needs to get in Josh’s hands at the middle post elbow every possession. The Bucks are either zoning or doubling Josh everytime he gets the ball. We keep running plays that don’t take advantage of that. The Bucks are looking to get a guard matched up with a center or forward on every possession. We keep seeing that matchup because the Bucks are desparate to do it on every possession. We have to be as deliberate and desparate on every one of our possessions.

If we can beat the Bucks, we’ll need to be ready to execute the same way against Orlando

GO HAWKS!!!

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Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider,

Yes I do understand your point. What I was trying to explain is that with better coaching it would not only be effort, but we would have beat them by at least 10 points. We would be having a different conversation now. Playoffs is a different beast, you are not playing a team 4 times in the year with 10-12 games in between. You are playing games back to back. Talent can only take you so far in that. Coaching comes in big time in the playoffs…. You make adjustments every game and try to give yourself the advantage. That is why Lebron will not get a ring this year or any year under his head coach.

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Lou Fan u are right If we do not give up the switch d or make adjustments we will lose and that is bad coaching never should switch a 5 on a1 or vis visa.man up evry one say this is my man and i GOT him. and someone put K thomas a ss on th ehard wood hard sounds like a job for zsa zsa or r morris.

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sorry should be hardwood….

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Ken

I applaud your emphasis. Woodson makes excuses… What does Joe say? STOP MAKING EXCUSES… Is he talking about his team mates… or Woody? Could be both since attitude reflects leadership.

Not to mention, did anyone see the interviews last night? Jamal sounded more like a coach then Woody did haha.

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Courtside seats next to Marvin for sale. $50 each.

You will probably work up more of a sweat than he will…..quack quack.

If you want more production out of Marvin then sit him on the bench and put in some girl from a the local High School JV squad. Killin me Marv!

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[...] taking advantage either getting layups or kicking to the corners for wide open three point shots. Michael Cunningham has some quotes from Joe Johnson regarding the Hawks defensive scheme: – More than a little bit. “It’s been tough because we switch a lot and they just get pretty [...]

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HEART of a Champion we heard 4-5 times from Jamal. Help the boys find their HEART for the game. Only then will we win!

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Woody is a basketball genius. His move rival those of Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, and the legendary Red Aurebach…NOT!!!! Unfortunately, he is making very little of the talent that he has on the team and bench. Basketball, like any other sport, is about adjustments. You either make the right adjustments quickly, or you will adjusted…out the door.

Jennings is absolutely killing the Hawks, so why not employ Teague and West into the lineup and make him work for every bucket. This is the playoffs, there should be ZERO layups!!!!!!! Knock the sh!!! out of these guys and absolutely, positively no layups!!!!!!!!!!!! Let them know you mean business or you going home quickly.

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I do have to admit the officiating was horrible too. I hope I do not get fined….

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I still think the Hawks will win this series, because I think they will win game 5 tomorrow night, and put a lot of pressure on the Bucks to win game 6.

That being said, assuming the Hawks win, I have very little confidence in them that they can win a road game against the Magic. And we have seen the Magic win in ATL before, so I dont know what to expect going forward.

Woody and the Hawks need to figure out a backup plan for when the players are not executing the switching correctly. Because right now, our plan B is to play with more energy, and execute plan A better.

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Mike is Back, Marvin is a problem. He was just terrible last night. I don’t understand that guy. He is capable of playing well. He just does not seem to have the ability to get himself to do that every night.

He can’t be such a nonfactor. I sit here getting on Josh Smith, but at least he made some plays. Marvin does nothing. It might be time for him to leave here. I wonder if there is any market for him.

I about threw my remote control across the room when he drove in and was called for the charge in the 2nd quarter last night. And, I counted at least three times that he failed to get out on Delfino. Marvin never seems to respond well to tough, physical games like last night’s.

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The Hawks will most likely lose the series… and if they happen to win it, it will be their last. They can’t stop anyone. Orlando may average 150 per game in the series (if the Hawks even get there – very doubtful).
How did they get so horrible… so fast?

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I’m certain you’ve all noticed how announcers will corner HC’s at halftime and ask them questions about how the gm is going for their teams? But have you noticed when it comes to the Hawks, those same announcers choose to corner our assistant coaches, rather than our HC, to get that same information?

I guess the announcers have figured out if they want to get explanations and/or proposed strategies, rather than excuses, they’d better consult someone other than Woodson.

To be honest, none of us should at all surprised or upset at what’s going on with the Hawks. It’s not like we haven’t seen the same drama played out by Woodson and the team over the last 2 regular seasons and last yrs playoffs. If we’re really lucky, we’ll struggle through and win this 1st rd series, and get embarrassed in the 2nd rd, just like last yr.

We have to be honest with ourselves. Can we really expect JJ to want to resign and endure more of the frustration and consistent inconsistency that’s certain to come if Woodson is retained? Even though Horford and Smoove have played the entire season at an Allstar level, and we’ve added JCrawford, who’s the certain 6th man of the yr, we’re having the same problems we’ve had in previous yrs with scoring, defending, bench utilization, player development, accountability, motivation, making adjustments, changes and/or utilizing strategy when called for, especially during gms.

WOODSON IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THE PETER PRINCIPLE. The talent, depth, youth, demands, requirements and expectations of this talented Hawks team and its players are far beyond HC Mike Woodson’s ability to manage or effectively coach. We can only hope GM RSund is aware of our HC problems and makes the correct decision by not renewing Woodson’s contract. We can’t hope to get better on the court until we get better on the sidelines, and that means better coaching.

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The Hawks road trip was terrible, plain and simple. They want respect but honestly they haven’t earned it fully. Grapevine says that Charles Barkley stated that if the Hawks don’t win Game 4 then they are pretenders.Well guess what they lost.

Guess the blue jersey is unlucky too.

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Bibby is a lost cause. He has never been the same since the travesty in 2002. He has his spurts, but all he cares is about the money… He gave up on the NBA. And that is our PG? I still do not understand how Woodson works… to be honest with you I hope after this year I would not have to worry.

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Ken Strickland:

*Great Word – *accountability – [applies to]:
*Coach – Must hold players accountable to standards.
*Therefore – Team does not achieve goals and or expectations.
*Coach – Must be held accountable.
*Great Word – *accountability!

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I think we’ve waited all season to see whether the Hawks stood a legitimate chance to make it to the ECF. I think last nights game answered that question, at least for me.

I don’t think you can try to spin this “reaction” any other way. Everybody that has talked Hawks basketball was disappointed in the Hawks for not taking control of this series. There’s no offensive chemistry and way too many lapses on defense to take them seriously.

As much as I hate Jon Barry, it pains me to say that we’re proving him right. It hurts to HEAR him talk about the Hawks Jekyll and Hyde effect, but then the Hawks have to come out and SHOW us what he’s talking about.

It’s just upsetting, considering how we were talking about mismatches at every position in games one and two.

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Najeh . . . the saving grace for Milwaukee, was the Salmons trade. That’s when the team took off. That gave them another guy who could create his own offense off the dribble, and also shoot open jumpers. Salmons has stepped up, and played at a higher level than Jamal Crawford has this year. That’s not a diss on Jamal, it’s just illustrating how well Salmons has played .

And unbelievably, the Stackhouse acquisition ended up being just what that team needed to round out their bench.

What you see Milwaukee doing now, is playing to their strengths as a team. And that is letting their guards dictate the tempo by utilizing their shot creation skills. Salmons, Jennings, Ridnour, and even Stackhouse can ALL create their own shot.

The adjustment Woody needs to make, is to make a concerted effort to shut down Jennings . . and even rough him up a little. If that means that we need to double team that dude to get the ball out of his hands, then so be it. But we can’t let him dictate tempo and the pace of the game.

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Whats funny is that Bob and Nique are so close to saying “What in the F.U.C.K. is Woody thinking.” LMAO

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The all out pessimism on this board is almost funny though. But that’s the nature of the playoffs. Anxiety at its highest.

I’ll state this again, because I’ve been saying it for 3 months now. Almost every time the Hawks have faced a little adversity, and a potential 3 game losing streak, they have found a way to win that game. Almost every time.

It’s no doubt in my mind that we’ll win Game 5 . . . I just want to see how the defense comes out to play. I want to see if the coach does make a defensive adjustment. That’s the biggest thing I’m looking at for Game 5.

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“The all out pessimism on this board is almost funny though.”

Just a simple question northclyde, how many games did you see this series going?

Like I said, it’s all about expectations. If you expected to see the Hawks drop two in Milwaukee, then you might not be as disappointed or pesamistic about the Hawks. But, others may have expected more from this team. I myself didn’t expect this series to get past 5.

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northcyde, I hope you are right. Normally, I would agree with what you are saying. But, I don’t in this case. Something is wrong. The Bucks are continually getting easy baskets, the defense is awful, and the Hawks are playing tight with the ball. The pressure is clearly on the Hawks Wednesday night. I have my doubts how they will respond to it.

Gosh, this could all fall apart real quick. All the building of the past 5-6 seasons could crumble. Lose this series, I doubt Joe is back. I doubt Woodson is back. Suddenly, it’s 2004-2005 all over again.

I sound a lot like Chicken Little, but that’s what I tihnk happens if this series is lost.

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Calm down, Hawks fans.

The Bucks did exactly what they were supposed to do — they protected their home-court. Since they had the 2 games at home, we decided not to show up since the Bucks were SUPPOSED to win.

I could give a !@#$ less about the offense — it’s all about defense. Did you see us close out on the shooters the last 2 games? How we rebounded the basketball? We clearly have the best frontline in the NBA, and bibby has been lights-out for us.

Folks, calm down: We are a LONG ATHLETIC team with TREMENDOUS UPSIDE and will win this series.

SUND I WANT MY EXTENSION NOW. WE HAVE INCREASED OUR REGULAR SEASON WIN RECORD EVERY YEAR I’VE BEEN IN THIS CITY

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Coach have never made any adjustment on nothing, every play down on defense same old switch mix it up some time so you want be so preidictable on defense.
DEFENSE WIN CHAMPIONSHIP AND WOODY IS NOT DOING A GOOD JOB IN ADJUSTING 2 THE TEAM ADVANTAGE.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

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The Bucks are clearly overmatched in this series — oh wait they just won 2 games

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I’M STILL WAITING ON SAMUEL’S OPINION ON THE 2 GAMES UP NORTH

FIRE WOODY

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northcyde,

I’m confident the Hawks will win game 5 too. But the saving grace for the Hawks when it comes to winning game 5 is that its at home in ATL. If game 5 was in Milwaukee, then it would be a toss up.

I agree that Woody should try doubling Jennings for a change, and make him give up the ball early. But I remember last year, Woody refused to double Wade (despite the urging of his assistants). So Wade averaged 29 ppg for the series, and we were pushed to a game 7.

One issue when it comes to doubling though, is will the Hawks communicate on defense, and rotate in time to the open man in case Bucks swing the ball around.

And say what you want about the fan-base, but is it too much to expect a 53 win team, having been to the playoffs 3 straight years, and 4 all star caliber players on the roster, to beat the Bucks in 5 games or less?

Saw this in the Milwaukee paper (www.jsonline.com);

“The Milwaukee Bucks are so far ahead of the Hawks in terms of effort, smarts, heart, coaching and anything else you’d care to mention outside raw talent that who knows where this first-round playoff series would stand had Andrew Bogut been available”.

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I AM NOT RELATED TO CLYDE, NOR AM I CLYDE, BUT:

FIRE WOODY

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Look guys, let’s remember that Boston was pushed to game 7 against us two years ago en route to winning the championship and the Lakers, the defending champions, are in the same position that we are in against a first-year playoff team.

There is no reason to panic too much. I do think that this is a defining moment for Woodson, though. We will all get to clearly see whether he is capable of making the necessary defensive adjustments to get things back on track…

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could be worse. The mavs are looking another first round exit.

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Scott Skiles, like other coaches have figured out how to predict the switching defense. Woody has nothing else to offer.

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Bone, you may be correct, we shall see. What I do know is it was a lot of fun watching our beloved Bucks make the Hawks their bitches this past week (and whiny bitches at that). The Hawks superior athleticism, better overall talent and home court advantage may enable them to pull this series out…but that is a very mentally weak team you guys have down there.

Oh, and Cheezehead 4 Life, do you own a business in Atlanta or something? Why the “oh please forgive us” routine? Do you think dirty knees buy you respect? Who made you the spokesperson for Bucks nation? Trolling is part of the game…I am sure the Hawks fans can handle it without you holding their hand.

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Effort,It can be thought and demanded.The coach don’t demand it and our
so call leader don’t seem to process lt(JOE and WOODY).Effort don’t start with making shots and playing the other team best player.Simple as that.

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One more thing.If you want to know what effort looks like and what it don’t.Rewatch the game.

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Northcyde,
your being delusional dude, Bogut was and is their best player currently and even at the beginning of the season with Michael Redd. 7-0 footer that average double digit rebounds multiple blocked shots a game and gives a low post scoring presence that they are currently missing in this series and still making it competitive. Even without Redd and Bogut the Bucks aren’t garbage, but they are BY FAR, the worst team in the playoffs based on talent. Now coaching is a whole different story.

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Next year team with avery at coach.
STARTER LOUIS WILLIAM, D WADE, IGGY, JOSH, SAMUEL DALEMBERT.
BENCH TEAGUE, JAMAL, CHILL, ZAZA, JAVALE MCGEE.
RESERVE MOE EVANS, COLLINS.
NBA TITLE.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

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Bibby Joe and Horford for Louis Williams, Igg and Dalembert? LOL wow

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Memo to the Hawks Coaching Staff:

If you are not going to double Jennings, which we know you won’t do, please tell the player that is guarding him to force him to his right. He goes left a high percentage of the time. Mo Evans and Josh were the only two players I saw yesterday, who forced him right, and every time he picked up his dribble or passed the ball, except once. Maybe this advice will help you figure it out, since you have no clue. Energy and effort have nothing to do with a scouting report.

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“Woodson continues to hang his big men out to dry while Teague who has the best chance of staying in front of Jennings plays zero minutes. Folks, the key problem with this team is coaching period. If I were JTeague, I would be highly fustrated right now sitting there watching another totally destroy my team because my coach has zero confidence in me to at least use my speed to slow the guy down. You can see the fustration on the players faces.”

Doesn’t make much sense does it?

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Bucks in full rut if the win on Wed!

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section 303 how about u shut your mouth, u idiot lol.. I said what I said because it’s the truth period..

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Northcyde,
I respect the fact that you put in the effort to back up your opinions with stats, but it all depends on how you interpret them. The reason why the Bucks soared after acquiring Salmons is bc he filled what they were missing from Redd. You said yourself that he was a shadow of his former self this year and hadn’t really contributed. Bring in Salmons and now the team is reaching its potential. Exit Bogut and you have a very mediocre team that should be swept by a 50 win playoff team unless you cant defend like the Hawks.

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On the whole Hawks season………

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3umtw179KA&feature=player_embedded

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Salmons Duck and Mo

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Forget it. Fire Woody!

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Congrats on 6th man of the year. Too bad it’s spoiled by the Hawks trrible post season play.

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Congrats on 6th man of the year Jamal. Too bad it’s spoiled by the Hawks terrible post season play.

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Heres the vid of Crawford getting the award: http://www.nba.com/video/channels/award_nominees/2010/04/27/20100427_6thman_crawford.nba/

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The Hawks don’t need to double anyone on the Bucks team. Someone with some juice needs to try and get it through Woodson’s stupid head that it would be better for the team defensively if we stopped switching everything. It makes perfect sense to everyone but old dumbA$$ Woodson that it’s better for our players, and the team overall, to have our guards fight over picks and stay with their man. That would allow our 2 best shotblockers to remain close to the lane and protect the basket against their penetration, rather than the other way around.

After the 1st 2 gms, the Bucks have obviously made adjustments that have made a tremendous difference for them. First, they’ve decided to pressure Bibby, which forces us to start our OFF above the 3pt line. They also know if he does any damage, it will usually be in the 1st quarter or half. He almost completely disappears in the 2nd half and becomes a total liability for us. Secondly, they use the pick and roll to force a switch and take advantage of our PF and C out on the perimeter, or attack Bibby directly if he ends up on the ball.

Woodson blamed the players lack of energy and effort for our 1st loss. Well, we got energy, effort and OFF in our 2nd loss, but we got absolutely nothing from Woodson. He continued to play Bibby and his beloved switching DEF throughout the 2nd half, which forced Horford, Smooth and Zaza to try and stop BJennings.

Can anyone tell me why JoSmith got a DNP CD, especially with Horford and Zaza getting into early foul trouble, or why he played only 4:06mins in our 1st loss?

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Check out the picture that Jeff Schultz has on his blog. It shows Delfino celebrating, and JJ is in the background looking like a cry baby.

It must have been taken on that shot Delfino made from the corner when Joe failed to rotate over.

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“It’s true — it doesn’t show up on paper,” Joe Johnson said. “We haven’t played with that [heart]. We complain and whine too much and it gets you nowhere, instead of just going out and fighting through it”

Woody confirmed at his post game conference yesterday, that the Hawks were bickering on the bench too.

I wonder if comments like the ones we’ve seen from JJ increase the chances of him leaving, because he continues to talk about the Hawks not being mentally tough, not playing smart, whining too much etc.

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Barkley on ESPN’s PTI should be good..

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Ok folks I read just about all of the post about the hawks defensive problems. Now I posted this team will never be able to play defense until they get a center. No people Al Horford is not a center. First off no matter what sport you play football,basketball,soccer,hockey the guy closest to the net must be defensive minded!!!! This is the anchor of the defense man!!!! dont you get this!!!. Ok NT in football is the most important part of the defense man!! look at the NFL draft 2 of top 3 picks were DT’s. Yes Marvin is a dog yes, Yes Bibby is old and yes Zaza,Bibby, and Marvin just ripped us off. But a real rebounding defensive center that controls the paint is what we need. I love Horford but he is a PF!!!. I ve screaming since the trade deadline last year to trade Marvin for either Tyson Chandler,Sam Dalmebert,Marcus Camby,Brendan Haywood all who were available. Doesnt mean we would have won a title but gosh these guys would have been able to at least hold there in own the paint man!!! Look at how Chandler nuetralized Howard during that series. He kept him in foul trouble and off the glass. No they cant stop him but at least they can hold there own. Ok im out I love the Hawks but there fundamentally set up wrong. See you guys next year. IM OUT!!!!!11

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Congrats to Crawford, who is the SMOY (no surprise of course).

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And people keep talking about Horford not being a true center, and how he’s the problem. But in reality, it’s Josh Smith that throws this team out of balance. That’s always been the case.

Smoove represents everything that is great about this team, and everything that is wrong about this team . . at the same time. His athleticism and speed makes him one of the most exciting PFs to watch in the league. But his lack of toughness at the 4, makes him a liability at times.

It would be foolish to start Zaza simply because he has “center size”, and bench Horford or Smoove, because Zaza is a sub par center. Both of those guys are way too talented to be benched in favor of Zaza. So we roll with what we have, and try to make due.

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Im a Bucks fan who went to both games in milwaukee, and i have to say, after the first two games in ATL, i thought we were done. but my how a week’s time can change a series. you hawks fans probably noticed by now that we were able to draw 18k in a heartbeat and dismantle your defense. This isnt an attack on the Hawks or anything, but look at who kept you in the game last night, JJ and Bibby. If i were the hawks, i would look at your defense and try to see that when Jennings goes into the lane and you guys swarm him, he just has to kick it out to Salmons, Ersan, or Delfino for the easy 3. The Bucks have been crashing the boards this whole series, not just games 3 & 4. And with Josh Smith being an idiot and lighting a fire under the Bucks really awoken the sleeping giant in the Bucks. In final, watch out, because the Bucks have a MUCH better chance at winning in Phillips than the Hawks do at the BC. The ONLY WAY the hawks will win this is because of homecourt advantage. Good luck to you guys, and fear the deer!!

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well, you should be fearfull of these deer. lol, we got some gnarly country boys up here too.

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Aren’t we lucky we didn’t play Miami or Bobcats in 1st round? What if the Bucks steal one game from us in ATL? We cannot use Jeff Teague because we sat him thru the regular season. We have to put up with Bibi however he stinks. INCONSISTENT, INCONSISTENT, INCONSISTENT. No authentic team leader. We need help.

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NOBODY ON THIS TEAM IS A LEADER.

PEOPLE JUST LEAD BY HOW THEY PLAY, NOT BY TALKING

JOSH SMITH IS NOT A LEADER. HE DOES NOT PUMP UP HIS TEAMMATES

STOP RUNNING SWITHCES ON P&R

STOP LEAVING GOD DAMN SALMONS OPEN, MARVIN. GET IN HIS DAMN FACE

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“Said Williams of the team’s home-road polarity, “I don’t think anybody can put their finger on it right now.”

LOL! This team can’t even play with effort in a playoff game and they don’t even know what’s wrong (Just like Woodson not being able to figure out NYK or Orlando).

This is embarrrassing

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“Run Ricky Run”

quality television…

ESPN 30 for 30 surprisingly good..

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Look at Chicago, a team with a fraction of Cleveland’s talent, scratching and clawing to stay in the playoffs at Cleveland. If any series should have been a 4-blowout sweep, it’s that one. They are probably going to lose, but you gotta admire their mental toughness.

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The only series that should have been a sweep was a sweep already (Charlotte vs. Orlando). The Bulls are not out-manned or out-husted enough on any given night to be swept and the Cavs are not invincible or great enough to just walk through anyone. The bottom line is that Orlando > Cleveland and far better than Charlotte. Look at them on paper, look at them in action, look at their style of play, the proof is all over the place. Orlando is an incredibly dangerous team, , I don’t think anyone has an advantage over them right now….

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LOL! I hate to admit it, but it was funny.

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Although I don’t agree with everything in it, particularly the last paragraph, there’s a lot of good stuff in this blog post.

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Don’t know how many of you are watching the Lakers-Thunder game, but Doug Collins just elaborated on why the minutes young players get at the end of games, even blowout games, go a long way towards boosting their confidence and making them better players. He said this in relation to Eric Maynor, the Thunder’s rookie point guard who had a solid run at the end of the previous game, a blowout that the Thunder won. Maynor was traded mid-season to the Thunder, who gave him a consistent 15 minutes per game and watched his stats steadily increase towards the end of the season.

Jeff Teague put up 25 points and 15 dimes in the final game of the season.

Nobody on the Hawks can guard Brandon Jennings — at least, nobody who has played so far.

Just saying…

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MC, has anyone asked Woody why he hasn’t used Mario or Teague? We need to ask Woody questions on his rotation because it sucks.

And this switching on P&R is BS too

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In response to to the Youtube video with Bango trashing Hawks fans, I’d like to see “Harry the Hawk” beat the hell out of Jennings…

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This is the type of basketball you get with undisciplined players. Not passing the ball, NOT being smart on the court and I don’t think its any better on the sideline either. Just think of all the great teams from the past I mean 80’s and early 90’s making the extra pass. It’s hard to defend great ball movement.These player look like they play street ball. They need to pass the ball 5 times before anyone shoots the ball, just like a little leauge team would? This is why the NBA has lost fans for years, no one knows how to play the games of basketball anymore.Esp the Hawks

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“Too many comments on here don’t give the Bucks enough credit.”

“Atlanta is leaps and bounds stronger, faster and more athletic than Milwaukee, but that doesn’t mean they’ll win the series.”

The comments on here don’t give the Bucks credit because as hot as they may have been, like you admit yourself, they don’t hold a candle to the Hawks talent-wise. A player can’t change his talent, but he can change his mentality for the better. A team may not be able to change their talent within a season, but they can change their schemes for the better. If the Hawks were losing because they were inferior in talent — like they will be in Round 2 — we may be disappointed, but we would accept it. The Hawks are losing despite having far superior talent, and that is unacceptable.

The Bucks have a ton of heart and play smart basketball, but a 53-win team with 2 All-Stars, the 6th man of the year, and a DPOY candidate should be able to put that team away regardless — just like the Cavs did to the scrappy Bulls. The single thing that annoys every single sports fan is when a player or team doesn’t get the most out of their talent. Right now that’s the Hawks’ problem.

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I hope someone from the Hawks reads this blog…..

Coach W- Marvin comes across as a good kid, but Please, Please limit his minutes/remove him from the starting lineup – he just can’t shake off this bad season and now is crunch time we are literally playing 4 or 5.

(1) when an opponent drives the lane for a layup (especially during the playoffs)- make them pay! I’m not advocating flagrants either.

(2) Jeff Teague or Mario West can at least slow down Jennings because Mike B. just isnt quick enough.

(3) Tell Josh this is the playoffs and to immediately stop the whining-get back on D man!

(4) The switching D doesn’t work on the Bucks-how about straight man to man or zone?

(5) Doesn’t Joe Smith have playoff experience?

Last but not least, Joe Johnson is playing playoff basketball but his teammates seem to think this is game 32 of the regular season because there is no killer instinct or drive to win the Championship-seems they are measuring there success to get past Orlando only…….

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Idk who’s the bigger idiot? Woody for starting Marvin, or Sund for giving him an extension? I’d have to say BOTH.

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big dave, yes i caught it the run ricky run show you mentioned on ricky williams. i have really liked ricky so i watched to see what he has gone through. it was very enlightening. does seem schizoid personality to me, alone with very profound deep thoughts. boy, did his coach abuse him before he left the game the first time and i lost any respect for mike wallace which i didnt have much for. he didnt come close to empathy or compassion in that segment but a complete azz. good show, great quality.

now, maybe we will do to the bucks what the lakers did last night to the thunder.

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The Hawks will probably win this game, being that it’s at home and all. But I guarantee you, they’ll make it interesting.

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agreed Doc..

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FIRE WOODY

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I wonder if Woody has made up a game plan for tonight’s game other than give the ball to Joe.

FIRE WOODY

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If we win this series, what exactly will we have accomplished if we get embarrassed in the 2nd rd, like we did last yr? If we win this series and advance to the 2nd rd, and Woodson gets resigned, everyone loses in the longrun but him. If we lose this series and Woodson is let go, he’s the only one that actually loses in the long run. Therefore, if his fate is based how us advancing past the 1st rd, I hope we lose this series to the Bucks. Lets face it, even if we win this series, we’re only going to get embarrassed by whoever we play in the 2nd rd.

Think about it, with Woodson as our HC we certainly can’t expect to improve through the draft. Marvin is the last draft pick Woodson has given an opportunity to develop, and he’s regressed after 5yrs. We certainly can’t expect to improve much by adding more talent through free agency, since Woody can’t bring himself to extend his bench use beyond 7 primary players.

Our starting 5, plus Zaza, have been together for 3yrs, and except for Bibby, 4 of our starters, plus Zaza, have been together for 5yrs. Yet, we still hear the same stupid excuses from Woodson, WE’RE STILL LEARNING TO WIN or WE’RE STILL A YOUNG INEXPERIENCED TEAM. Does he really think everyone else is as stupid and deep in denial as he and his supporters obviously are?

Can anyone name another HC that would be stupid enough to start MBibby, let alone play him 27.5MPG, with this yrs poor OFF output and nonexistent DEF output, especially with an option like JTeague on the bench? Let’s double Woodson’s level of stupidity by asking if there’s another HC stupid enough to start 2 veteran players that have been as inconsistent and nonproductive as MBibby and MWilliams have been this season?

You’d think this fool would have experimented with benching each player at least once during the season to see if it would benefit the player and/or the team. Instead, his philosophy has been to refuse making any changes or adjustments, even if it’s temporary. He just believes in maintaining the status quo and letting the chips fall where the may, even if it’s hurting the team.

It seems to be easier for him to make excuses, even if it’s the same lame, unacceptable, repetitive excuses, than to actually be a responsible HC that makes changes and/or adjustments. What kind sick mentality holds his rookies accoutable for everything they do DURING the gm, yet refuses to hold a single veteran player accountable for what they do DURING the gm, then blames the players for everything that went wrong AFTER the gm? STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES. FIRE WOODY, FIRE WOODY, FIRE WOODY!!!

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Good Post Ken

FIRE WOODY

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SOMEONE PLEASE KICK BRANDON JENNINGS IN HIS DANCING ROOKING FACE!!

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MILWAUKEE IS A DUMP CITY, BUT SMOOVE CALLED IT OUT AND THEREFORE WE LOST BOTH GAMES THERE. MILWAUKEE HAS BETTER FANS THAN ATL

FIRE SUND
FIRE WOODY
FIRE ASG

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