Hawks Squawks Game 3: Bucks 107, Hawks 89

Milwaukee– The Hawks got their butts kicked. The details of the beatdown seem almost inconsequential in light of the aggregate effect of this blistering in the Bradley Center. The Bucks never got it handed to them like this at Philips Arena, where at least they fought back when the Hawks blitzed them.

– Forget the Xs and Os for a minute and consider the Hawks’ lack of intensity and poise. “It’s unacceptable to get blown out like this,” J.J. said. “We’ll look at the tape and correct our mistakes but more than anything it’s about coming out and playing with more effort.”

– The Hawks spouted some of those playoff cliches: The Bucks simply did what they had to do, the Hawks still own homecourt advantage, they still have a chance to win Game 4 on Monday for a road split. All of that is theoretically true but have the Hawks shown an indication that they can find the mettle it will take to win the next game? It would have been one thing if the Hawks competed and lost but failing to show up is something else.

– “Honestly I have no idea [why],” Joe said. “We knew what to expect and we knew what was at stake. For us to come out the way we played, that’s on the starters. It was unacceptable. Give the Bucks a lot of credit, they ot their team off to a fast start and never looked back.”

– Then again, the Hawks can’t afford to beat themselves up about this for too long. “I’m not taking anything away from the Bucks, they played extremely well tonight,” Woody said. “They did what they were supposed to do but we still hold a 2-1 lead and we still have an opportunity to steal one (in Milwaukee).”

– The Hawks have one road playoff victory in their last three postseasons. Their problems on the road continue to keep them from reaching the level of Cleveland, Orlando (which is looking to sweep Charlotte) and Boston. “We’ve struggled on the road even during the regular season,” J.J. said. “We’ve not been a great road team. We’ve got to find a way.”

– They can start by going back to feeding Smoove and Al inside. Woody had said he was surprised the Bucks didn’t show more resistance in the post in Game 2 after they had success pushing Josh and Al out in the second half of Game 1. The Bucks didn’t make that mistake again.

– “It’s no secret that in the first two games they sort of owned us in the paint,” Scott Skiles said. “We were able to take a few things away tonight.”

– The Hawks waited too long to get Al involved but he also wasn’t as sharp when deciding whether to pick-and-pop or go to the hole. Smoove just wasn’t at all in rhythm.

– The Hawks didn’t help matters by missing a bunch of shots near the rim. That’s how they had 20 offensive rebounds and managed only 12 second-chance points. “They got a lot of offensive rebounds but didn’t turn them into points this time,” Skiles said.

– The Hawks’ pick-and-roll defense was awful. After solid defensive efforts in Games 1 and 2 the Hawks were back to those familiar bad switches and lax closeouts. That meant layups and open 3-pointers all night for the Bucks.

– “Give them credit, they came out and made shots,” Marvin said. “At the same time we didn’t defend the way we usually do.” Marvin’s 1 for 7 shooting line looked bad but he had eight rebounds and probably was the best guy on closeouts.

– There were a few times when the Hawks were close to breaking through and needed patience and ball movement. Instead, J.J. went iso.

– The bench was better, I suppose, though does it really matter in a game like this? Or I guess I should say Zaza was better. Jamal (5 for 13) still can’t get into a rhythm.

– It was a nightmare game for Smoove. He smiled when Bucks fans heckled him near the bench as he sat watching the merciful end of the blowout loss. There wasn’t much he could say, though he was unapologetic afterward.

– “I didn’t say anything about their fans,” he said. “I didn’t say anything that wasn’t true. Some people have different opinions. I gave my opinion and I’m entitled to it. You asked me a question, I gave an honest answer.”

– Hey, I didn’t ask the question to begin with. Milwaukee media folks kept crediting me, too, but it wasn’t me!

– Win Game 4 and the Hawks can forget this one. Mo’s formula for doing it: “Go back to getting the ball inside, get quality shots and play defense first and foremost.”

– I’m out, Hawks fans.

MC

296 comments Add your comment

Clyde

April 26th, 2010
1:22 am

1-9 on the road in the playoffs

FIRE WOODY

Clyde

April 26th, 2010
1:24 am

6 years worth of blow outs on the road and Woody is still trying to figure out how its happening. SMH

FIRE WOODY

Grandad

April 26th, 2010
1:25 am

‘Hatter’ [TS]

Try & think of Josh, Al, Joe & Jamal + one as five athletes functioning as a single *organism. [or unit] (use any *metaphor you please)
Don’t put a # on them – now just let them play basketball.
[even Marv] (or a Big)
They will learn to space themselves, they really already know. They have been learning ea. other for 3, 4, 5 yrs. now.
Chemistry has been developed and that is why I don’t think Joe will
‘not’ leave. [provided ASG gives him a fair [market value] contract.
This is why we should be relunctant to trade Bibby, Marv or Zaza.
**Childress left and we should probably trade his rights if given the chance. Because he left – on his own.
TS – try and realize that Josh and Al love and enjoy playing together as teammates. You can see it.
**NOTE (Marv was close friends with Childress/thats why disrupting
chemistry is dangerous/Marv was better when Childress was here)
So…yes Al needs some help…but not @ ‘HIS’ [Al's] expense!
Lets get him some help to make both he & the Hawks better next yr.
The way basketball is played now – guys – don’t worry about pos.#’s.
Lets just put ‘five good’ basketball players on the ct. @ all times.

John Wooden:
“I don’t necessarily play my five best players, I play my five that play the best together.”

We’ve had some good dialogue on the board today.
I haven’t read it all but I’ve enjoyed the discourse.

Grandad

April 26th, 2010
1:41 am

STUPID SENTENCE ALERT !!!

Chemistry has been developed and that is why I don’t think Joe will
‘not’ leave
*Omit ‘not’[I have no idea what I was thinking in order to insert(not)
making the sentence a double negative, or a double-play on words/I'm
not exactly sure, but my explanation has cleared it up for you...right?]

Grandad

April 26th, 2010
1:45 am

“Chemistry has been developed and that is why I don’t think Joe will
‘not’ leave.”

Then I didn’t put quotes around it, what will the ‘Mad Hatter’ think?

Najeh Davenpoop

April 26th, 2010
2:16 am

Heh heh.

From today’s Daily Dime on ESPN:

For Chauncey Billups, the fact that the Nuggets play a lot of one-on-one ball isn’t an issue, per se. After all, the Nuggets finished the season ranked fifth in offensive efficiency. “The problem with the isolation is not the actual isolation,” Billups said. “It’s the lack of movement.” According to Billups, the Nuggets need to do a better job off the ball to help maximize the one-on-one advantages they have against Utah. “A lack of [movement] just lets one guy play against three or four.”

Sounds like a team we know, doesn’t it?

Clyde

April 26th, 2010
2:57 am

There is one good thing about the Hawks playing in the playoffs. They are keeping our minds off the Braves.

FIRE WOODY

vava74

April 26th, 2010
4:01 am

Unacceptable performance against a team which sans-Bogut is not playoff material.

More classical teams, which play man to man D have real offensive schemes sometimes get away with poor effort simply because they are mechanised and execute stuff which allows them to keep up with inferior teams and eventually man up to close games.

Teams like the Hawks who play the switching D and depend from it being effective to produce easy transition buckets and make runs absolutely cannot win when the effort is not there.

The switching D is only effective when there is maximum (at least high) effort.

We have seen this many times.

I blame the players for the lack of effort but I also blame the coach because his game plan is one dimentional. If it doesn’t work there’s nothing else available.

For the ones who may look at this as an oportunity to say that then the blame is mainly on the players I have this answer:

Woody’s game plan is exactly like comunism.

It is based on the false principle that everyone will contribute equally, willingfuly and all the time for the common good.

Both don’t take into consideration human nature which basically completely overrules that principle.

JeJe

April 26th, 2010
6:48 am

The Nuggets lost to the Jazz last night.

FIRE WOODY

JeJe

April 26th, 2010
6:49 am

I am about to go for a morning run.

FIRE WOODY

O'Brien

April 26th, 2010
7:22 am

Najeh,

Is that on the coach, on the players, or a combination of both?

How about them #2 seed Mavericks? With Dirk, Terry, Butler, Haywood and JKidd, they were one of the picks to challenge the Lakers in the West, and now they are on the brink of elimination, down 3-1.

They had a 14 pt 3rd quarter lead, and lost the game. We saw Avery and his Mavericks lose in the first round (twice), and now Rick Carlisle will probably lose in the first round too. Is it coaching? Is it Dirk is too soft?

I’ll say this. I’m glad the Hawks play in the East, because its tough out West.

JeJe

April 26th, 2010
7:42 am

LET’S HOPE NJN GETS THE #1 OVERALL PICK, DRAFTS JOHN WALL, AND THEN TRADES DEVIN HARRIS + FILLER FOR MARVIN+BIBBY

FIRE WOODY

JeJe

April 26th, 2010
7:42 am

THE HAWKS GOT BLOWN OUT IN GAME 3

RESIGN WOODY

sam'l

April 26th, 2010
8:18 am

Reading the blog was better than watching the game. But again, I say, Bucks will score between 14-18 points in the first quarter of game 4. Hawks play for love and to avoid fear of the unknown. The unknown would be losing this series.

JeJe

April 26th, 2010
8:36 am

“Hawks guard Jamal Crawford admitted that they underestimated how fueled the Bucks would be by their home crowd.”

HOW DO U LET THIS HAPPEN? FOR THE 4 FREAKING DAYS OFF DID THEY NOT ONCE THINK MILWAUKEE WOULD PLAY ITS BEST BALL IN GAME 3? WHAT THE HELL DID WOODY SAY TO THESE GUYS?

GeeMack

April 26th, 2010
9:13 am

Hawks fan

If you expected anything different from the Hawks the last game, you haven’t been watching the game very closely.

They performed the way I expected them to, no energy, no passions, no defense, & plenty of selfish play. That’s the ultimate losing formula.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 26th, 2010
9:25 am

“We saw Avery and his Mavericks lose in the first round (twice), and now Rick Carlisle will probably lose in the first round too. Is it coaching?”

Funny thing is, Carlisle is getting ripped by the media right now for playing his slow, aging, ineffective starting PG over his quick, young, talented rookie backup. Sounds familiar, doesn’t it?

GeeMack

April 26th, 2010
9:45 am

O’Brien

Good question.

The Mavs just don’t have the right players around Dirk to win it all. Caron Butler is a start. Jason Kidd would have been to complete a Big 3 combo 7 years ago, but at 37 he’s 5 years past his prime.

In order to win it all you need a dominate 1-2 punch, or a Big 3 combo. Right now the Mavs have 2/3 of a Big 3 combo.

VenomSpitter

April 26th, 2010
10:06 am

Scott Brooks(a real coach)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Woody the woodpecker

Sautee

April 26th, 2010
10:20 am

Jeje said this:

“I am about to go for a morning run.”

“FIRE WOODY”

Hey Jeje, this isn’t Facebook, it’s a blog.

We don’t care what you are about to do. Let your Facebook buddies do that.

LMFAO.

kwooden1

April 26th, 2010
10:47 am

The HAWKS have to crowd the shooters and make sure that Smoove and/or Horford are always near the paint. The offensive has to start with Josh in the post and Josh needs to work a lot harder to get and hold position. Bibby needs to be the one delivering him the ball, because Marvin, JJ and Horford haven’t been doing a great job of getting him the ball quickly enough. The Bucks aren’t a great shooting team, but like every team they’re pretty good when they get things going. Lastly, Marvin has to attack the rim. Bucks have no shot blockers and they are worried about Smith/Horford getting offensive rebounds.

GO HAWKS!!!

Wabe

April 26th, 2010
10:56 am

Najeh:
“Funny thing is, Carlisle is getting ripped by the media right now for playing his slow, aging, ineffective starting PG over his quick, young, talented rookie backup. Sounds familiar, doesn’t it?”

All too familiar.

kwooden1

April 26th, 2010
10:59 am

Also, the HAWKS need to find away to get Crawford going. It appears that the Bucks are crowding him and forcing him to drive instead of pulling up for jumpshots. Basically they’re double-teaming him and he hasn’t responded well. The second unit has to do a better job of moving the ball and creating some more space for him to work. The Bucks are going to run out at every shooter, so the 2nd unit is just going to have to start knocking down shots.

GO HAWKS!!!

GeeMack

April 26th, 2010
11:35 am

kwooden1

The Hawks as a hole just need to play with some emotions & heart.

Losing the game wasn’t the worst on Saturday, but not showing up is unacceptable.

This is why the city won’t get behind this team. So the next time Woody, the players, or management wonder why the arena won’t sell out at regular prices.

Tell them to pop in the video of game 3 verses the Buck.

JeJe

April 26th, 2010
12:01 pm

Sautee is annoying.

FIRE WOODY

darrell starks

April 26th, 2010
12:14 pm

MOE EVANS SHOULD STARTE BRING MARVIN OF THE BENCH.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

April 26th, 2010
12:15 pm

Woody have make adjustment.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!

JeJe

April 26th, 2010
12:23 pm

Mike Woodson talks about adjustments but never makes any (see game 2 of Hawks/Heat last year).

RESIGN WOODY

O'Brien

April 26th, 2010
12:29 pm

From ajc.com, Mike Woodson’s comments.

” I’ve got to make some Adjustments to help Jamal be Jamal like he has been during the regular season”.

Here comes Woody with that A word.

Wabe, Najeh,

I give Woody a hard time for the same thing that Rick is getting blasted for. But I will also admit that coaches have it tough trying to find the right combination. Because if Carlisle played his young, talented and fast rookie, and they lost the game, the media might blast him for not playing his veteran PG.

Wabe

April 26th, 2010
12:52 pm

I hear that O’Brien.

It is a bit different for Carlisle at this point though. But, there is one similarity. Both have vet PG’s that have been some of the best in the business, but at their age, it’s pretty tough to ask them to stay in front of the likes of Tony Parker and Brandon Jennings. Both Parker and Jennings are quick, and it’s a tough task for Kidd/Bibby to stay in front of them.

In our case, we’ve neutralized Jennings ability to get into the lane because Horford/Smoove sent the message loud and clear in games 1 and 2 that Jennings wouldn’t get anything easy going to the rim, even if he happens to blow past Bibby.

But, for the Mavs, a team that has a “dominant defender at center”, they can’t seem to stop Parker/Hill/Ginobli from penetrating into the lane and scoring. In other words, they’re screwed. The Spurs are getting to the bucket relentlessly. And for a team that should have a size advantage over them, the Mavs aren’t doing a good job of protecting the paint.

Just think about it, the Spurs have been penetrating and getting buckets towards the rim, whereas the Mavs have become a perimeter team. Dirk continues to settle for fade-away jumpers. Kidd has become a spot-up 3-point shooter. Terry’s been that way forever. Caron’s impact on the team hasn’t been as great as I thought it’d be, but that may be due to the lack of touches.

For all the talk about how Haywood and Butler would make them a tougher team, I don’t see it. They’re still playing soft, scared of contact. If you’re fade-away jumpers aren’t falling, you need to take the ball to the rim and at the least try to draw contact. They’re just settling for jumpers.

JeJe

April 26th, 2010
12:58 pm

HOW IS CRAW SUPPOSED TO FIND HIS RHYTHM IF MARVIN IS GETTING ALL HIS MINUTES?

I DON’T THINK MARVIN DID 1 GOOD THING IN THE ENTIRE GAME SATURDAY. HE HAD 8 OR SO POINTS IN GARBAGE MINUTES, BLEW THREE FAST-BREAK LAYUPS, GETTING STRIPPED BY MIDGET-ASS JENNINGS
LOL

FIRE KNAPP

Wabe

April 26th, 2010
1:03 pm

The Mavs need someone that’ll get them easy buckets.

Haywood maybe a decent option to help defend some of the bigger 5’s in the league, but he’s not a guy that gets them easy buckets.

Dirk is an MVP-type player in this league. But, even if the guy’s going for 30, it’s usually a tough 30.

Kidd/Terry are just spot-up shooters at this point.

They need someone in the paint that can get them easy buckets.

Daniel

April 26th, 2010
1:04 pm

Gee- Your 11:35 post is right on the money. But, I fully blame you for the loss. You and your dang predictions. I also blame MC for the loss because he wrote the “looking ahead” article. I don’t blame myself (of course). Fortunately, I was at my wife’s birthday dinner, which originally seemed like terrible planning, but in retrospect I am glad I wasn’t forced to watch that debacle.

JeJe

April 26th, 2010
1:18 pm

“The Mavs need someone that’ll get them easy buckets.

Haywood maybe a decent option to help defend some of the bigger 5’s in the league, but he’s not a guy that gets them easy buckets.

Dirk is an MVP-type player in this league. But, even if the guy’s going for 30, it’s usually a tough 30.

Kidd/Terry are just spot-up shooters at this point.

They need someone in the paint that can get them easy buckets.”

Same thing about the Hawks. THIS TEAM GETS NO EASY BASKETS. It takes Joe 2 crossovers and an awkward runner where he is fouled twice to get an easy hoop. This team cannot score on the road. We get the Smoove oops at home but not the road

Najeh Davenpoop

April 26th, 2010
1:24 pm

In the case of the Mavs, for the last couple of years they were able to get by with switching Kidd onto the SG and matching up someone like Jason Terry onto opposing PGs. Kidd was after all a great defensive player in his prime. Now it doesn’t even look like Kidd is quick enough to guard SGs, let alone players at his own position.

In the case of the Hawks, as long as they are running the switching D, they will need a point guard who is quick enough to disrupt passing lanes, so that hopefully he can disrupt entry passes before he gets posted up by someone much bigger. Teague can be that guy, but Bibby definitely can’t.

Clyde

April 26th, 2010
1:25 pm

Mike Brown, the head coach of the Cavs, said in order for you to get road wins in the playoffs your defense has to come up big. And with Bibby on the perimeter and Horford in the middle a road win seems very unlikely.

FIRE WOODY

JeJe

April 26th, 2010
1:43 pm

“Mike Brown, the head coach of the Cavs, said in order for you to get road wins in the playoffs your defense has to come up big. And with Bibby on the perimeter and Horford in the middle a road win seems very unlikely.”

Also, our defense is even tougher when we play 3 on 5. Actually, it’s 3 on 7 because Marvin and Bibby are so bad that they count as players on the other team. Add in the fact that tonight is a road game and the refs will probably make us lose to help NBA Revenue, and we’re playing 3 on 10 (2 of those 10 are Kurt Thomas and Mbah-Moute).

FIRE MIKE WOODSON

JeJe

April 26th, 2010
1:51 pm

THIS TEAM WILL NEVER COMPETE IF IT DOESN’T GET INTO THE LUXURY TAX

FIRE SUND

PerryJacobson

April 26th, 2010
2:22 pm

The Hawks players were NERVOUS against Milwaukee. The Bucks were HOT and the hawks players were out of synch and were demoralized and couldnt get their games going. I knew Joe would show up because Joe is Joe. I’m surprised at Jamal Crawford because hes a 10-year vet, but he was nervous since it is his first playoff appearance. Horford and Smooth have no excuses, but being it was a road game I can understand why they were uncomfortable. Bottom line: Hawks are in command leading 2-1 and if they snatch tonight game, the HAWKS WILL HAVE A STRANGLEHOLD ON THE SERIES AT 3-1. That will almost certainly give the hawks a 99.9% chance of winning the series. Hawks take it in 6.

Rod from College Park

April 26th, 2010
2:24 pm

JeJe,

“Also, our defense is even tougher when we play 3 on 5. Actually, it’s 3 on 7 because Marvin and Bibby are so bad that they count as players on the other team.”

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!

JeJe

April 26th, 2010
2:35 pm

If we had 1 injured rotation player, people on here would claim we lost because of injuries, even though when we lose to teams with horrendous injuries (Milwaukee in regular season and Detroit twice in regular season) this is never an issue

JeJe

April 26th, 2010
2:36 pm

Yo Clyde, are you gonna be giving out FIRE WOODY t-shirts at game 5? We need to meet up! Ha

Rick Sund

April 26th, 2010
2:38 pm

What is with all this HATE on this team lately?

We won 53 REGULAR SEASON GAMES. We are the THIRD seed in the East, have IMPROVED over last year and are one of the most TALENTED and ATHLETIC teams in this league!

Sheesh, it’s so hard to keep you people happy! I mean, Jason Collins has played in 2 NBA FInals before, Woodson has a ring with Detroit, and Horford/Bibby/Marvin all have National Championship(s) from College.

The season’s success is predicated on REGULAR SEASON – NOT playoff records!

We are also an elite road team as you will see tonight

JeJe

April 26th, 2010
2:40 pm

Marvin had 8 and 8 in 34 minutes, 40% of which were garbage minutes!

LOL

PerryJacobson

April 26th, 2010
4:25 pm

I sure hope that Woody Woodpecker gets fired because I just cannot stomach the hawks any longer. HIRE AVERY JOHNSON, CHARLES BARKLEY, DOMINIQUE WILKINS, KENNY SMITH or Byron Scott as the next Hawks head coach. I think either of those candidates (Bozos) would do much better than coach Woodsen. Woody is completely clueless. Woody is allowing Marvin Williams to start and Marvin is playing as though he is deaf, dumb and blind. I just think the Hawks are embarrasing themselves in the playoffs this year, like they do every year.

CheryolaVick

April 26th, 2010
4:51 pm

Eveyone is starting to PANIC: Relax folks–I assure you, THE HAWKS WILL WIN THE NBA CROWN IN JUNE AND YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY TAKE THAT TO THE BANK!