Atlanta Hawks at Bucks Game 3: By The Numbers

Oh, how I wish this was around back when I started my Iso-Joe count.

As I stated at the time my goal was to try to create some good data to better illuminate the debate on isos so arguments could be based on statistics rather than perceptions. Not to say stats can tell the whole story of Isos or anything else–I’ve already said I initially underestimated the impact the isos can have on the Hawks’ psychology and chemistry–but the numbers obviously would be a tremendous analytical tool.

You might have noticed that I never did offer my final Iso-Joe count. That’s because there were three games or so where I wasn’t confident about my count and I couldn’t go back and check it due to problems with my garbage Comcast DVR. I heard Synergy Sports was going to offer a public version of the software it provides for teams soon. So I decided to wait until it was online so I could get an accurate count of J.J. isos, and not just for the games I counted but the entire season. Plus I also wanted to see data on the Hawks’ other play types so comparisons can be made, which makes the exercise infinitely more useful. Well, Synergy is up now and I signed up for it the other day but (of course) the computer problems I mentioned yesterday so far have prevented me from getting it up and running. But, once I do, I plan to examine Iso-Joes and more.

I see that super commenter Najeh and crew already have cited a Raptors blog that used some of the Synergy stuff. Just like that they have managed to to impeach the persistent complaints from Truth and others that Al is a weak post defender. According to Synergy’s numbers, he is one of the best despite being posted up more than almost any other center. That’s the beauty of this Synergy program–statements like “Al is a poor post defender” can be evaluated statistically instead of argued endlessly using isolated examples, hunches and perceptions.

Anyway, Synergy has some sample reports available for the first-round playoff series. The first thing that jumped out at me from the Eastern Conference playoffs summary is that the Hawks rank last among East teams in defensive points per play. They’ve been the worst East playoff team against pick-and-rolls (and ranked just 25th during the season) and third-best against isolations. On offense the Hawks not surprisingly have run the most isolation plays among East playoff teams but ranked just 12th during the regular season (”all they run are isos”). The Hawks have run the third-most post-ups after ranking 19th during the regular season (”Woody never adjusts”).

Those numbers have to be placed in context since, unlike with regular season stats, teams haven’t played common opponents. But they are cool to look at for some insight. Here are Synergy’s Hawks-Bucks series numbers and definitions for the stats. I’m looking forward to digging in once I figure out my technical issues.

hawksdawgs at Peachtree Hoops breaks down tonight’s “ball game ball game”. I think he hit on something here about what has become known as the Skiles Dilemma in this series:

One bright spot for the Hawks is our role players have sucked something awful this series. Maybe the road will provide just the reverse psychology they need to get things going. If Mo Evans, Jamal Crawford, and Zaza Pachulia can give average minutes, the front court dominance should continue in some form or fashion for the Hawks to win their third in a row. I have no doubt Skiles will throw something new at the Josh and Al, but I can’t help but think it will be at the expense of guarding Joe Johnson or Jamal Crawford. So that is fine by me.

– Have fun, Hawks fans.

MC

248 comments Add your comment

HAWKSFAN11

April 24th, 2010
8:36 pm

I Promise Josh Smith doesnt give it his all on the court. It seems as if he needs motivation from somebody. He takes too many plays off man.

Kiki

April 24th, 2010
8:36 pm

Marvin’s shot was blocked twice in the same sequence.

HAWKSFAN11

April 24th, 2010
8:37 pm

Lets go crawford. Bring us back.

VenomSpitter

April 24th, 2010
8:37 pm

As I tune back in the Hawks are still getting whooped. Not surprising.

Steven

April 24th, 2010
8:37 pm

Marvin’s missed layup for a chance to get it down to 7..then the Bucks go on a 7-0 run to push it back to 16…

VenomSpitter

April 24th, 2010
8:39 pm

Joe is the only guy who bothered to show up 2day.

JOE IS LEAVING AFTER THIS SEASON FOLKS. IT’S ALL OVER HIS FACE.

Blast

April 24th, 2010
8:40 pm

Other Hawks players have to step up other than Joe. This game is getting out of hand!

sleepy

April 24th, 2010
8:40 pm

making your shots = showing up ?

VenomSpitter

April 24th, 2010
8:40 pm

And Osh SMith should be ashamed of himself. He talked that sh.it about Mil and now the Bucks are basically saying “What now b.itch” I don’t mind trash talk but when u can’t back it up shut your mouth.

drmaryb

April 24th, 2010
8:41 pm

Where IS J-Quick Mr. Woodson? Marvin on defense – I Got That! However, we NEED some offense!

Dance with the one who got you her! Play YOUR Game! NOT the Bucks Game!!!!!!

Sautee

April 24th, 2010
8:41 pm

We need Crawford big time. Step it up, Jamal.

VenomSpitter

April 24th, 2010
8:41 pm

Yea Joe is the only player who has done anything. And he’s leaving after the Hawks sputter out this season.Unless the Hawks shell out 75 milli

Elliot_C

April 24th, 2010
8:43 pm

That’s it, Al. Get it going…

bigdave

April 24th, 2010
8:43 pm

there u go Al..

Wabe

April 24th, 2010
8:44 pm

“This is a simple game, when you keep it simple.”

-Nique

VenomSpitter

April 24th, 2010
8:45 pm

Josh don’t even look like he cares

Steven

April 24th, 2010
8:46 pm

Oh Jamal where are you …

Wabe

April 24th, 2010
8:46 pm

No hand up or anything.

Elliot_C

April 24th, 2010
8:46 pm

Wow, Jamal Crawford has been almost nonexistent in this game.

Steven

April 24th, 2010
8:47 pm

That’s about 10 wide open shots the Bucks have had

Elliot_C

April 24th, 2010
8:48 pm

On a night where the Hawks are struggling offensively, the Bucks can’t miss.

Sautee

April 24th, 2010
8:49 pm

We can still win this thing.

sleepy

April 24th, 2010
8:50 pm

We cant fault Jamal for that salmons three the guy was 7-9 and had not taken a 3 all day while bobbing and weaving his way to the basket . You want to force him to take that shot but man oh man do we need to string to together a positive sequence of plays or what .

bigdave

April 24th, 2010
8:50 pm

Jamal Crawford has been nonexistent all series…

what happened to all his fanfare? or comments preferring him than Joe…?

definitely needs to step it up going forward..

Elliot_C

April 24th, 2010
8:50 pm

Got to get this to single digits quick because the Bucks tend to really step it up in the fourth…

bigdave

April 24th, 2010
8:51 pm

kill him Skiles.. kill him.. out of that same f-in corner…

Woodson is a stubborn fool.. who will get hit in the same spot before he counters..

sleepy

April 24th, 2010
8:52 pm

we have not been able to string together any positive plays

Najeh Davenpoop

April 24th, 2010
8:52 pm

You can’t win a game, regular season or playoffs, if you are this disinterested in defense.

VenomSpitter

April 24th, 2010
8:52 pm

LOL this game is OVER

Steven

April 24th, 2010
8:53 pm

this game is ova

drmaryb

April 24th, 2010
8:53 pm

Put in Maurice & Mario!

The Bucks – (simply put) – WANT it more!

VenomSpitter

April 24th, 2010
8:53 pm

Just play Zone Defense and the Hawks lose. Pitiful

Elliot_C

April 24th, 2010
8:54 pm

The Hawks are not disinterested in defense, they are playing scattered because they are frustrated. You can see the effort right now, but right now the Hawks can’t buy a basket, and Milwaukee can’t miss.

Steven

April 24th, 2010
8:54 pm

I don’t know why I thought things would be different this year on the road. That obviously isn’t the case. We aren’t going far unless we grow a new attitude tomorrow

Blast

April 24th, 2010
8:54 pm

Hawks are not winning this game. The classical signs are all there. Can’t stop folks, can’t make shots…

Wabe

April 24th, 2010
8:55 pm

Pretty painful to watch.

sleepy

April 24th, 2010
8:55 pm

and here comes one of the greatest comebacks in nba history

VenomSpitter

April 24th, 2010
8:55 pm

As usual I’m right. The Hawks are still one of the worst Road teams I have ever seen. And like I predicted the Hawks will not sweep the Bucks even without Bogut.

If Bogut was playing the Hawks might be in serious trouble.

Sautee

April 24th, 2010
8:56 pm

Najeh,

Big co-sign

MAD-DONNA

April 24th, 2010
8:56 pm

GO HAWKS! PLEASE GO(AWAY)!!!!!

O'Brien

April 24th, 2010
8:58 pm

I expected the Hawks to lose this game. But I did not expect us to be down by 21 going into the fourth.

northcyde,

Jason Campbell is the best QB on Oakland’s roster now. And he is a HUGE upgrade over Jamarcus Russell.

JSS

April 24th, 2010
8:58 pm

So, Michael Cunningham, welcome to Atlanta! Let this be a lesson, NEVER talk about a possible next series match up before the clock reads 0:00 and 4 victories for the Hawks!

Blast

April 24th, 2010
8:59 pm

Hawks are good, but just not that good.

drmaryb

April 24th, 2010
8:59 pm

Maurice is in. Too Late – Marvin Stinks like a TURD!

The HAWKlS did NOT come to play nor party in Milwaukee!

Start Maurice & PLAY J-Quick! Where is Zsa? Mr. Woodson! Dance with the guys that got you here – or – Go Home!

TNScott

April 24th, 2010
9:00 pm

Real championship teams show up and compete on the road and don’t lose by an average of 24 points away from home. I’ve never seen the like of open shooters all night long. If we make it out of this series, it’ll be the same old same old in the next round against the Magic.

bigdave

April 24th, 2010
9:00 pm

RaJaH

April 24th, 2010
9:00 pm

Well look on the bright side… ASG can get some game 5 revenue!

Wabe

April 24th, 2010
9:01 pm

I won’t be as hard on the Hawks for this one. Even though it’s concerning to see us get beat down so bad.

I don’t know if the Hawks went into Milwaukee thinking they were gonna take both. They certainly didn’t show up tonight, and I can only hope that we’ll see a different team game 4.

The way they’ve played this one, no sense of urgency, I’d say they’re here to try and split. I’d bet on a much more focused team come game 4.

Steven

April 24th, 2010
9:01 pm

uhh Mo and Zaza have been horrible as well

Wabe

April 24th, 2010
9:01 pm

Might as well put JT0 in there now, huh?

Would it hurt?