Hawks Squawks: Bobcats 109, Hawks 100

Charlotte–Well, what to make of this one? You could hate on the Hawks for coming out with no urgency though they needed more of it without J.J and Bibby in the lineup. Or you can look at their 64-50 advantage in the second half and praise them for at least not folding.

– Shoot, I don’t know, maybe it’s something in between? “We didn’t come out ready to play,” Woody said. “It wasn’t pretty in the locker room at halftime. I thought we came out and played Atlanta Hawks basketball in the second half but the effort came too late.”

– The Bobcats raced out to a 21-8 lead and were up 34-14 after the first quarter. The Hawks had no energy, cohesion or communication. “We got off to a sluggish start,” Smoove said, and if you saw it you know that’s an understatement.

– The Hawks certainly looked like a different squad after halftime. Too bad they were already buried under Charlotte’s dunks and layups. “I don’t think we came out with enough energy to stop that early,” Al said.

– Another way to look at this game is to figure the Hawks didn’t have enough depth to beat a capable, desperate team that is tough on its court and just look at how the fill-ins played. “We are looking to see what guys are willing to step up and play in the absence of other guys,” Josh said. “We want guys who are not scared and can add that extra depth.”

Mo was quiet early and great after halftime (20 points, 8/11 FG in the second half!). Teague was bad early and pretty good after halftime (seven points, four assists, no turnovers after halftime). And Mario . . . well, there’s a reason Mo played all 24 minutes in the second half (though Mario did have another nasty dunk).

– Teague said calmed down after Bibby pulled him to the side for a talk. ““That (bad start) let me know what I need to work on,” he said. “I was timid at first. When you are a rookie making your second start and things go bad, all of that is in your head. I’m glad I have veteran teammates who talk to me and support me.”

– “The rook’ was good,” Jamal said. “That’s what it’s all about is getting experience and getting comfortable out there.”

– “Jeff Teague did an outstanding job,” Smoove said. “He may have been a little shaken up in the first half but he came back in the second half and answered the bell.”

– Teague’s teammates are pulling for him. Woody wants Rook’ to do well, too. He said before the game he would let Teague play through mistakes, and he did until things started to get out of hand. And then he went back to him (yeah, I know, the options were slim but he put him out there).

– Woody credited Teague with sparking the Hawks after halftime. “I liked the way we picked it up,” he said. “Jeff Teague came in and was more aggressive offensively and pushed the ball. I like the way we competed in the second half.”

Marvin’s early foul trouble hurt because Mario had to play small forward and the results were not good. Six points and three rebounds in 23 minutes from Marvin are just not enough when the Hawks are shorthanded. Teague had a more productive game in nearly equal minutes.

–Bibby tried to go at shootaround but couldn’t because of an ingrown toenail on his left big toe. He said he’s had issues with the nail before with the usually remedy to remove some skin so he can function without pain. But he said the right half of the nail was removed this time to avoid an infection.

– He said he’s not sure if he would play at Detroit. “I will try it when we get there,” he said. “I hope so. I hate to miss games.”

– The injury situation worsened for the Hawks when Jason Collins suffered a right foot injury before tipoff. Woody said he would have used him if healthy. Collins said X-rays were negative, so it’s probably a sprain.

– Then Zaza was lost to a hip injury in the second quarter. He said he has tendinitis in his right hip flexor. He’s also struggled with tendinitis in his left hip this season. “It was tight before the game,” he said. “I stretched it and warmed it up really good. I went in the game and it got worse and worse.”

– I’m out, Hawks fans.

MC

116 comments Add your comment

hawks_4_life

April 6th, 2010
11:10 pm

Marcus

April 6th, 2010
11:16 pm

eh? big stinker like in House Party (the original w/Martin Lawrence). Terrible time to lay a big one in the crapper.
Now Zaza is limping around and he is our Eastern European Rick Mahorn.
Well, strike 1 for imposing our will and instilling fear in a potential playoff opponent.
Get well soon JJ, Bibby, and Zaza. We need you all.

Marcus

April 6th, 2010
11:19 pm

Saving grace is that the Celtics laid an (Easter) egg in the Garden, losing 104-101 in a letdown after beating CLE.
Good guys still up 1 game for the No. 3 seed in the East. Just dont bend over for the Pistons. :(

BirdDawg

April 6th, 2010
11:19 pm

Yep…you’re first.

Cannon

April 6th, 2010
11:23 pm

pitiful pitiful pitiful showing in the 1st half. There’s no excuse for that. The only positive I can think of is that maybe the front office knows that we’re very average without Joe Johnson, and will be willing to sign him to a max contract this off-season.

BirdDawg

April 6th, 2010
11:23 pm

Effort again? This is like Groundhog Day. You would think that with all of the money these guys make, someone would have figured out how to get the team to play a full game with heart and energy. Can you imagine? We could be looking at a 10 – 15 loss team right now.

Marcus

April 6th, 2010
11:25 pm

oh great………the C’s game tomorrow is vs. banged up and defensively challenged Toronto, probably minus Chris Bosh (CLE A. Jamison performed in-game plastic surgery on Boshs’ nose with an errant elbow…and no novacane).
I hope old-age and fatigue grabs the C’s by the ankles tomorrow nite.

Carolyn Peck is the reason I watch NCAA Womens hoops coverage

April 6th, 2010
11:27 pm

Mario West 4 Defensive Player of the Year.

supa

April 6th, 2010
11:38 pm

I was at the game tonight and I can’t tell you how many people said that they can’t beleive the Hawks are the #3 team in the East. All the Bobcats fans wanted to face Atlanta in the first round.

Clyde

April 6th, 2010
11:41 pm

FIRE WOODY

Good coaches can win despite injuries. Look what Scott Skiles has done without Micheal Redd.

FIRE WOODY

northcyde

April 6th, 2010
11:43 pm

Our frontline has to take the brunt of the responsibility for that loss. They can’t continue to come out lifeless like that.

MC . . it’s like I said earlier today in the other blog . . it’s the DEFENSE. People can talk about offense all they want, but this team has to improve SIGNIFICANTLY on defense, if we want to make noise in the playoffs.

Like I said . . this why Woody harps on defense and rebounding so much.

northcyde

April 6th, 2010
11:47 pm

The $3 question now is:

Will Woody start Teague tomorrow, if Bibby can’t go?

BirdDawg

April 6th, 2010
11:52 pm

Wonder if mike krzyzewski is ready to take an NBA gig yet? Can’t hurt for Rick Sund to at least ask him.

cp

April 7th, 2010
12:05 am

I agree northcyde. It was down right frustrating watching our front line get manhandled tonight. If they play with just any kind of energy in the first quarter the results might have been different. We really need to find a active big next season. A guy who just wants to rebound and play defense. Offense would just be the icing on the cake from the guy. I don’t know where to find one at but we need one. Is the young kid from the Thunder a free agent this summer? I think his name is Ibaka or something I cant remember right now but a guy who plays like him would be ideal.

rusty

April 7th, 2010
12:15 am

northcyde i know our defense stinks but our offense stinks too. this team often plays like there head is stuck up there ass. this team often comes out with no energy & no spirit. how the hell can we go any where. i never see other teams leaving the free throw lane wide open for everybody to just waltz in uncontested. this team hasnt a clue about offense or defense.woody doesnt bring anything to the show

BirdDawg

April 7th, 2010
12:20 am

CP,
Why would we want an active big man like that when the defensive scheme would have him on the perimeter defending guards that he has no hope of stopping? Chances are, that type of big man would have much less lateral quickness than Josh or Al which, in this scheme, would lead to many more open driving lanes for opposing guards. You can target the bigs if you want, but tonight the entire team lacked any sort of defensive intensity.

tiger woo

April 7th, 2010
12:41 am

Celtics lose to the Knicks in a stinker – they’re calling it a letdown after beating the Celtics. Please . . .

Somebody says”we could be looking at a 10-15 loss team right now”. Oh, so we’re all of a sudden better than Cleveland AND the Lakers?

Jeez, we lose a game without our starting backcourt and it’s all gloom and doom on here.

Supa says “I can’t tell you how many people said that they can’t beleive the Hawks are the #3 team in the East.” Well we have 49 wins – you have 41 – do the math.

northcyde

April 7th, 2010
12:43 am

But if the bigs are usually the source of our energy, and they brought none to the game, they have to take the brunt of the responsibility.
The frontline sure did play energized in the 3rd quarter, after Woody ripped into the team at halftime. They knew that they got outworked thoroughly in that 1st half, so they came out like a different squad in that 3rd quarter. Even what little Marvin did tonight energy-wise, cane in the 3rd.

tiger woo

April 7th, 2010
12:46 am

Celtics lose to the Knicks in a stinker – they’re calling it a letdown after beating the Cavs. Please . . .

Woody played terrible tonight . . .

northcyde

April 7th, 2010
12:49 am

Tiger Woo . . . . the Hawks are right where they should be ( and where everyone thought they would be at the beginning of the season ). For all of the “shoud’ve been wins” we lost . . . we’ve also had our shar of “should’ve been losses” that we’ve won.

In the end, it all balances out. At most, we should be maybe at 52 wins right now. No way this is a 60 win team though.

tiger woo

April 7th, 2010
12:52 am

northcyde,

I read the blogs regularly but don’t comment much – I must say you are one of the more sensible folks on here – good points.

Clyde

April 7th, 2010
12:57 am

tiger woo

April 7th, 2010
12:57 am

Good night, Clyde . . .

Clyde

April 7th, 2010
1:01 am

RESIGN WOODY

tiger woo

April 7th, 2010
1:02 am

Change of heart, Clyde?

cp

April 7th, 2010
1:12 am

BirdDawg when you put it like that I guess you’re right lol. The only thing I will disagree with is the lateral quickness. That kid from the Thunder I was talking about moves very well. He would fit in well with Josh and Big Al. And if he comes off the bench with the second unit it works because we usually don’t switch as much wit the second unit. It all depends on the personnel on the floor.

Clyde

April 7th, 2010
1:47 am

That wasn’t me

FIRE WOODY

Atlanta Fawks

April 7th, 2010
1:48 am

Braves are back! Who cares about these lame birds anymore?

First round and out then fire Woody!!!!

Clyde

April 7th, 2010
2:42 am

Football season is back. The Braves won’t even make the playoffs. Who cares baseball anymore.

FIRE WOODY

tjhook

April 7th, 2010
3:05 am

Bobby Simmons as a Hawk in 2010-2011.

darrell starks

April 7th, 2010
3:06 am

Woody is the luckiest coach in the nba, since he have been coaching the past three years he have had no injuries compare 2 the nba teams around the league, but as you can tell with a little bit injury 2 the team the hawks look very disoriented out there especialy on defense.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!

darrell starks

April 7th, 2010
3:11 am

Marvin should not be starting period.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!

vava74

April 7th, 2010
3:44 am

I didn’t watch the game this time but it seems pretty obvious that Teague’s performance in the first half is directly related to a lack of playing time.

And his performance in the second half is a token of his actual ability and potential.

The sorry thing is that tonight we will see Bibby starting with a limp and playing 30+ minutes, getting burned by Stuckey and Bynum.

JeJe

April 7th, 2010
8:03 am

Can someone explain the reason behind Randolph Morris playing before Jason Collins?
RandyMo went several games without dressing while Jason Collins dressed but RandyMo got in the game tonight before Jason.Collins…..

MARVIN HAD A KILLER NIGHT, STEPPING UP WHEN PLAYERS WERE OUT LOLOLOL

JeJe

April 7th, 2010
8:07 am

“WE JUST DIDN’T COME OUT WITH ENERGY”

HOW DO U NOT COME OUT WITH ENERGY? THIS IS THE FREAKING NBA. YOU ARE PROFESSIONAL BASKETBALL PLAYERS

I KNOW NORTHCYDE I KNOW NORTHCYDE. WOODSON IS NOT AT FAULT HERE!

drmaryb

April 7th, 2010
8:28 am

JeJe

Jason Collins sprained his foot in pre-game warm ups. Poor Conditioning?

drmaryb

April 7th, 2010
8:29 am

VaVa

JT0 played pretty well last night.

drmaryb

April 7th, 2010
8:31 am

JT0. Could have had a dble-dble

jean

April 7th, 2010
8:39 am

mario west n teague should neve rbe allowed on the court at same time…hawks have 3 of top 5 worst shooters in nba(non center) teague,west,smith

drmaryb

April 7th, 2010
8:53 am

REST YOUR STARS!

BOSH fractured face!
BOGUT fractured fore-arm! (I cried when I saw him fall). Never want to see that happen to anyone!

Hawks have JJ out with sprained Rt. Thumb! (Typically, sparins worse than fractures). Except Bogut dislocated plus fractured – he’s down for a year at least).

The arm is not a weight-bearing joint – So, should be OK. But, psychologically devastating.

REST YOUR STARTERS!

vava74

April 7th, 2010
9:10 am

drmaryb,

Not during the first half, apparently.

However, if he had swished 2 FG more (not out of the ordinary since at least one of his banked layups was a good enough attempt – visible in the highlights), he would have finished with 13pts 6ass 3reb in 22 minutes.

ILL-logical

April 7th, 2010
9:27 am

An observation:

While there are probably a number of very good and very logical reasons for Marvin’s performance year to date, I can’t shake the feeling that perhaps a change of scenary would be best for all concerned. To be sure there are some larger issues looming over the post season; number (nimber in Hall of Fame dialect?)one is the possible sale of the franchise. None of the major issues faced by the Hawks can be addressed successfully without additional financial resources and there aren’t any within the current structure.

Second, and what jumped out at me last night in between switches to the UCon-Stanford game(baby girl will be a Stanford grad in June) was that our current center is not a shot blocker. In fact, he is not a strong offensive rebounder either and it is in these two areas that the team’s playoff fortunes rest.The iso offensive strategy or in technical terms, give the ball to Joe/Jamal and get out of the way has a major weakness: the frontline folks are stationed 25 feet from the basket in order to create lanes for the designated scorer to operste. Which looks fine during the 40% of the time that it works but when it doesn’t then it leaves the Hawks with the one and done offense that continues to haunt them in the fourth quarters.Regarding the procession of lay ups and dunks, it appears that it is not just the gaurds who are at fault; except fot the exceptional efforts of Josh, there is no challenge at the rim for anyone in an opponents jersy.

So , last night’s lesson learned was that there are some issues with the current Hawks’ frontline and they have major implications for the playoffs and beyond.

Fundamentals

April 7th, 2010
9:38 am

A bad day to be blogging. After that pitiful 1st half of unprofessional effort I deserve some crap. They didn’t play D the entire game. Let’s face it. Crap we culled taught us a lesson. I guess Diaw had fun showing up our front line all night and laughing at Woodson. Nice job Hawks. We let folks we culled embarass us!

Marvin – total let-down. No surprise there, but hey, I was hopeful! Way to go buddy.

Teague – scared to death in the 1st half, a great effort in the 2nd. He needs to start against Detroit to build on that confidence. Get Bibby 100% and pray that 2nd half translates into some real comfort & confidence for Teague.

Mo & Joe Smith – Thank you for showing up. You were the only bright spot, though Mo gets 12 fouls per game.

Morris – should’ve been used earlier when Josh & Al weren’t getting it done, especially when ZaZa went out.

Collins – are you surprised? Guy hasn’t been used all year. How’s he supposed to be ready to go? At his age he needs consistent play to keep him healty and sharp. He just doesn’t see it here.

I’m disgusted. Tonight needs to be a beat down session. We need a real effort to prove we even care. Last night was an embarrassement against a team that’ll give anyone they meet in the playoffs fits. They’re maximizing talent. Why can’t we?

AG

April 7th, 2010
9:50 am

Terrible first half. I will give the team for never giving up and trying to battle bac. Not understanding why Woody took out Teague with about 4 minutes in the fourth when the Hawks made their run and replaced him with Marvin. Woody has to sit Marvin for the hot man in the playoffs. I would rather start a Joe Smith.

O'Brien

April 7th, 2010
10:04 am

Our offense was not the reason we lost last night. It was horrible defense on our part. We gave up 52 points in the paint. And we can’t blame Bibby or the switching for that.

Bad defense (by our front-court especially), compounded by a lack of energy overall.

Great show of leadership by Bibby talking to the Rook during the game and helping him out in whatever way he can. I hope Bibby will be 100% for the playoffs, because we need him and his shot-making.

As for the Jeff Teague debate, ““That let me know what I need to work on,” Teague said. “I was timid at first. When you are a rookie making your second start and things go bad, all of that is in your head.”

Which leads to my point, that with more PT early in the season, he would not be so timid right now, because he would already be broken in. Hopefully he can build on his second half performance.

Fundamentals,

During the few occasions (garbage time) RandMo has gotten PT, he has looked decent in the post. Would he look better with more minutes? I don’t know.

i_am_soulstar

April 7th, 2010
10:13 am

I agree, the Hawks looked more lost in the 1st quarter than I’ve ever seen them this entire season. Just pitiful. Woody cannot be faulted for their lack of energy and poor decision making during the 1st.

But hey, is it just me, or is Randloph Morris a quality back-up center and we just never use him. Everytime he’s gotten in, he’s played pretty well, even though it’s only garbage time. He always looks like the best player on the floor during garbage time. I hate that Zaza’a hurting, but maybe now Randolph will get some burn. Other than last night, i haven’t seen him on the floor since before the all-star break.

The Real Hawk

April 7th, 2010
10:17 am

This is what happens when your coach doesn’t give enough playing time to its NO# draft pick. When called upon he’s a little lost with his shot. And hey, the playoffs are here!

The Real Hawk

April 7th, 2010
10:17 am

6 points for Marvelous Marvin!

Wabe

April 7th, 2010
10:25 am

Is there a single person left on this blog that’ll defend Marvin at this point?

Every argument (the lack of touches/the lack of confidence) seems to be falling flat. This guy has had periods where he breaks out, but then he’s non-existent the very next game. Hard to blame the guy’s confidence on that. It’s also hard to say he doesn’t see enough touches, because if you can’t find touches without JJ or Bibby playing, you’re obviously not calling for the ball. He’s just not aggressive enough. He’s a 6′9 wingman that plays too soft offensively.

Wabe

April 7th, 2010
10:25 am

I should remove the “offensively” at the end of that last sentence. It should say:

He’s a 6′9 wingman that plays SOFT, period.