Hawks Squawks: Hawks 94, Pacers 84

– This one was looking like Philly all over again early. The Pacers got any perimeter shots they wanted while making 6 of 9 3-pointers in the first quarter. Brandon Rush was lighting up J.J. for 4 of 4 3s. The Pacers scored 31 points.

Tweeted Hawksdawgs of Peachtree Hoops: “The Hawks have closed out on a shooter one time so far, and Mo Evans fouled Troy Murphy for a three point play on that possession.”

– Enter Jamal Crawford. He scored 10 points during the 12-3 run that energized the Hawks. “Now that’s what my team expects of me,” he said. “If I’m not doing that I am kind of throwing everyone else out of wack.”

– It wasn’t just Jamal, it was all the bench guys. Zaza, the Rook’, Mo and Joe Smith all had a hand in limiting the Pacers to 7 of 20 shooting in the second quarter. Shoot, Teague even got up to bloc Danny Granger’s shot on a fastbreak.

– “Our second unit came in and really picked up our defense up and got us going,” Woody said. “I thought that was the difference in the game.”

– Lately it seems Woody is more willing to let the bench guys play, particularly if the starters are going to be so nonchalant about things. The reserves have earned that trust. If the Hawks lose with the reserves playing big minutes but giving big effort, so be it. Better that than to watch the starters just kind of be out there.

– After scoring 31 points on 12 of 21 shooting in the first quarter, the Pacers scored 52 with 21 of 60 over the final three quarters. Yeah, they had a few shots rim out but the Hawks were much more disruptive and cleaned the boards to limit second chances.

Horford went to work in the third quarter: 12 points, eight rebounds, 6 of 8 shooting. He finished with 18 and 12 for his eight straight double-double. His counterpart, massive Roy Hibbert, couldn’t stay in front of him on defense and wasn’t much of a factor on offense.

– “He’s been consistent from Day One he stepped foot in Atlanta and put on a Hawks uniform,” Woody said of Al. “He’s been fantastic. He’s been on a nice roll here of late by getting the doubles-doubles and we are going to need him to continue to do that.”

– That will be easier to do if the Hawks limit those stretches where they seem to forget about Al. Not so today, when the shot distribution looked nice: 18 for Josh, 14 for Al, 13 for J.J. and 15 for Jamal.

Smoove helped close out the Pacers with 11 of his 20 points in the fourth. He also had 13 rebounds, two assists and a steal.

– In three games against the Pacers, he’s averaging 20 points and Horford is averaging 25.6. ““We have struggled with them all season,” Pacers coach Jim O’Brien said.

– It had to be encouraging for Woody to highlight a guy on the scouting report and then see the Hawks go out and do a number on him. Granger had dropped 30 or more points in four straight games, including 44 against Utah on Friday. He got just 18 points on 7 of 19 shooting against the Hawks.

– Granger and Brandon Rush credited the Hawks’ switches off screens. Unlike the Sixers, Indiana doesn’t have the combination of size and athleticism to exploit favorable matchups.

–There weren’t many opportunities for Granger to step around a screen and get to the basket or pull up for a jumper. “Atlanta always gives you problems because they switch every ball screen,” Granger said. “We just really didn’t take advantage of the switches like we should have tonight.”

– “Their switching on defense really gave us problems today, which really took us out of our rhythm to make any shots,” Rush said.

– Things got a bit dicey after Woody started pulling starters with a 90-75 lead. I thought he might put guys back in after A.J. Price hit that 3-pointer to cut the lead to 91-84.

– Mo and Mario both had nice hustle plays.

– With nine games to go the Hawks matched their victory total from last season. They didn’t make a big deal about it.

– That’s also eight straight home Ws. They are 30-7 at Philips with five home games to go.

– The Hawks are off Monday but Smoove is scheduled to “work” a shift at Champs Sports at Lenox Square Mall on Monday from 3 to 4 p.m. Smith is to work the cash register and be a personal shopper for select fans. The store also will be giveaway items signed by Smith.

– I’m out, Hawks fans.

MC

68 comments Add your comment

chris

March 28th, 2010
9:16 pm

chris

March 28th, 2010
9:17 pm

chris

March 28th, 2010
9:18 pm

Falcons need Osi Umenyiora

northcyde

March 28th, 2010
9:27 pm

People hate the switching defense, but everytime one of our opponents has a bad shooting night, they blame it on the switching defense.

O'Brien

March 28th, 2010
9:29 pm

Great win Hawks and Woody. We have a tough stretch of games coming up, so hopefully our players will be ready.

northcyde,

The switching defense is very effective depending on the opponent. But when the opposing team is athletic and long (like the Cavs), the switching can (and will be) used against us.

What I would like to see from Woody, is if we are playing a team that is taking advantage of the switching (like Charlotte did, like Milwaukee did), then we need to adjust. But we have not done that.

MC,

The block by Jeff Teague looked like a foul. But Teague deserves credit for getting back on defense like he did. And I give Woody credit for playing his bench guys more. But I would like to see Teague get more second half minutes, if he plays well in the 1st half.

As hot as Crawford was (4-4), he then goes 2-11. Such is the good and bad of Crawford. However, when he is missing like that, i would have liked to see them go to Horford and Josh more.

Marcus

March 28th, 2010
9:30 pm

bro. MC, Hawks have to go 4-1 the rest of the way in AWAY games to meet the above 0.500 goal for contests outside the ATL. Hope we get it done, but we play tough ones in CLE, MIL and CHA.
Better question ………. given that most of the Hawks starters were around for the recent “bad ol’ days” in ‘04, and ‘05 … why have we consistently seen a malaise from them, esp.when playing the bad teams? I would guess at least 4 games like that have resulted in Ls which, on paper, should have been Ws.
Almost like we think we have arrived…….. but we have a short window of opportunity.

Michael Cunningham

March 28th, 2010
9:36 pm

@northcyde and o’brien: i think you both are right on the switching. didn’t notice the Teague foul because i was kinda shocked he even made it back to Granger.

@ marcus: if it’s only 4 flat games over 82, that would actually not be so bad. i think the timing of some of the clunkers has been poor, though.

Ken Strickland

March 28th, 2010
9:49 pm

OBRIEN-todays gm was a perfect example of what I was talking about with Teague’s superior on the ball DEF. His speed, quickness and ability to fight over picks, and/or recover, eliminated the need to switch everything. That allowed everyone to stay in the faces of their original assignments, and eliminate those 3pt baskets they were killing us with early. In fact, Teague’s DEF prevented their PG’s from getting in the lane and dishing to open 3pt shooters. I don’t think they shot another 3 the entire time he was in the gm.

I know this is going to be difficult for you WOODY LOVERS to hear or admit to, but Woodson has to be a boatload of stubborn and stupid to continue thinking it’s advantagous defensively to continuously put Bibby and Crawford in matchups against opposing teams PF’s and C’s under the basket. HOW IN THE HELL CAN ANYONE THAT THINKS WOODSON DESERVES TO BE THE HAWKS HC, BELIEVE IT’S TO OUR ADVANTAGE TO HAVE OUR C OR PF NEAR THE TOP OF THE KEY TRYING TO PREVENT THE OPPOSING GUARD FROM TAKING THEM OFF THE DRIBBLE, WITH BIBBY OR CRAWFORD TRYING TO PROTECT THE RIM WHILE MATCHED UP AGAINST THEIR C OR PF?

With only 10gms left in the season, your beloved consistently inconsistent moron, who’s supposed to be a DEF minde HC, still can’t get it through his thick skull that this philosophy is killing us defensively. It has never worked and it will never work. Let Bibby do the best he can fighting over picks and trying to stay in front of his man. At least if he fails, which he usually does, he’ll have Smoove, Horford, JoSmith or Zaza to back him up.

The way Woodson’s beloved switching DEF usually makes it happen with with Bibby in the gm, is to have our bigs on an island trying to defend against opposing guards while Bibby and/or Crawford back them up in the lane. This is why we’re giving up so many POINTS IN THE PAINT, OFF RB’s and playing poorly on DEF. STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES!

UGA

March 28th, 2010
9:56 pm

Which team do the Hawks want in the first round???

I’d say Milwaukee.

O'Brien

March 28th, 2010
9:59 pm

Ken S,

I did notice that when the bench is in the game (especially the last few games), our defense seems to be better because we’re not forced to switch, and Teague applies better ball pressure at the perimeter.

There were a couple times today when Bibby ended up guarding Troy Murphy. Fortunately, the Pacers are not good enough to exploit our switching.

But in the playoffs, I do think our switching will be exploited.

And if you read my post, I am in favor of Teague getting more minutes in the second half of games if he plays well in the first half (like he has been doing recently).

John Sterling

March 28th, 2010
10:30 pm

Celtics Lose!! AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAHHHHHHH . . .Celtics lose!!

JeJe

March 28th, 2010
10:39 pm

FIRE WOODY

NOT USING TEAGUE IN 2ND HALF UNTIL GARBAGE MINUTES

AWFUL DEFENSIVE COACH WHO SWITCHES BIBBY ONTO HIBBERT.

WHAT A CLUELESS MORON.

PLAYING SWITCH DEFENSE IS RETARDED IF U ARE PLAYING 4 ON 5 (BIBBY DOES NOT COUNT ON DEFENSE).

HOW THE HELL DO U SWITCH BIBBY ONTO GUYS LIKE 7″2980235 HIBBERT OR GRAINGER?

JESUS

JeJe

March 28th, 2010
10:45 pm

“I know this is going to be difficult for you WOODY LOVERS to hear or admit to, but Woodson has to be a boatload of stubborn and stupid to continue thinking it’s advantagous defensively to continuously put Bibby and Crawford in matchups against opposing teams PF’s and C’s under the basket. HOW IN THE HELL CAN ANYONE THAT THINKS WOODSON DESERVES TO BE THE HAWKS HC, BELIEVE IT’S TO OUR ADVANTAGE TO HAVE OUR C OR PF NEAR THE TOP OF THE KEY TRYING TO PREVENT THE OPPOSING GUARD FROM TAKING THEM OFF THE DRIBBLE, WITH BIBBY OR CRAWFORD TRYING TO PROTECT THE RIM WHILE MATCHED UP AGAINST THEIR C OR PF?”

YES

KevinA

March 28th, 2010
11:00 pm

First let’s talk offense. Finally the guards gave up the ball and fed the big’s. The only reason we won the game. The guards had their moments but a diversived offense that we are capable of ruled the day. Unlike most of our loses when we are behind we fed the ball to who was open and did not get away from Al. If we play this style of ball against Orlando – I am not worried. I have faith in Al hitting those jumpers that Howard will give him. Feed him and fan him. Do get this wrong – we need our guards – we need them looking to pass and then hand hitting open jumpers when they collaspe. Then trend is good and we lose when we ignore it.

KevinA

March 28th, 2010
11:03 pm

PS – to many bibby minutes – Woody is forceing limited offense for almost no defense. I want more Teague minutes but just to hand off to JJ and company. He is just a bigger defensive threat than Bibby.
The bar is so low and Woody won’t give the kid a chance to jump over it.

b.j.

March 28th, 2010
11:10 pm

no use in going in to deep with this game we should have won and we did now like jay -z ON TO THE NEXT ONE

Atlanta Fawks

March 28th, 2010
11:49 pm

Here is the thing about Woody I don’t get. He is the head coach right? Well when he sees something he doesn’t like he just shakes his head. They showed it today when instead of running off some clock at the end West throws up a crazy shot. It made no sense but instead of letting him know Woodson just shakes his head!!!! Thats what the fans do because we have no say so to players. But Woody IS the coach and SHOULD let players know when they screw up more than he does!!

Hawks have that player coach comfort zone like Bobby Cox and the Braves players. Which leads to a bunch of swell friends but no championships. Geeeeeeeeez!!! Is it bad I want the Hawks to lose first round so we finally can get a real head coach up in here?

Sleepy

March 28th, 2010
11:51 pm

@ Obrien you cant go off of fg% int regards to Crawford impact . He came in and his energy changed the pace of the game to our favor. He was into the lane every other play and found AL aplenty as he also tallied 6 assists . I think the +20 in the +/- for Jamal really says it all.

As for the defense I dont have a problem with the switching . In fact I love it what I have a problem with is when we use the switching . We are a team that with our lack of a size should be employing 3-4 different defensive styles depending upon the opponent. One of my biggest peeves with the switch is also where is the random trap when you know you have guys who dont want to pass like Salmons .

Patrick

March 29th, 2010
12:07 am

If our plan is to isolate everything on offense and switch everything on defense, I’d rather have Teague in the game than Bibby’s calcified husk. I’m not saying that I agree with the strategy, but if we are going to expose our guards like that on defense than at least put the best defenders out there. What Bibby does better is spot up for threes and makes better passes. But he rarely has the ball in his hands anyway, negating a lot of the second benefit.

I mean, if we get Milwaukee in Round 1 our plan can’t be to stick Bibby in front of Jennings, right?

cp

March 29th, 2010
12:12 am

Yea I still don’t know why when Teague plays well in the first half you don’t see him in the second half until it’s garbage time. He looks a lot more comfortable out there. He is also a better passer than I thought he was coming in the season. The problem is he is usually passing to guys on the second unit who have terrible hands. Would be nice to see him play with the first unit a little more. And I’m with O’Brien, if the switching defense is not working I would like to see some adjustments made. The problem with that is Woody is the coach and Woodson and adjustments don’t usually match.

Grandad

March 29th, 2010
12:59 am

O’B – You’re dead on about opponent.
Indiana, big, relatively slow, shoots alot of threes.
Switching on ball screens gives them fits.

O’B – On the other hand, whatever lineup we have, quick or not,
we switch on every screen. Did you hear/listen to the
Pacer players. ["they switch every ball screen”]
This is what Ken Strickland has been relentlessly dissertating* about
all season. Plus, you, K.S., myself & others agree that stubbornly
refusing [or failing to understand] to make adjustments is what the
problem is and not the scheme itself.

*dissertating: [not a real word] I made it up. Sounds good though.

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

March 29th, 2010
2:43 am

twenty second!!!!

Wabe

March 29th, 2010
2:51 am

Co-sign what Kevin A. wrote about more minutes for JT0.

Wabe

March 29th, 2010
3:00 am

As for the switching defense, there are times when it works really well (IE. Utah), and then there are other games that it kills us. The switching doesn’t bother anybody when it’s working. But, it’s tough to watch us play games where it’s obvious the switching is killing us, yet we continue to switch. It just doesn’t make much sense to me. I just think that in some games, Woody takes too long to make the adjustment and have his guys fight through picks. That would be my only gripe about it.

And again, JT0 needs minutes. It SUCKS to watch him play well in the 1st half and then not get any meaningful minutes in the 2nd half.

Hawk n the Ham

March 29th, 2010
6:37 am

Hey Woody….Start Mo.

Marcus

March 29th, 2010
6:42 am

@ John Sterling, yeahhhh BOS lost!
Now we have to man-up, because our next 2 games are vs. LAL, and @ CLE …. .while their next 2 games are vs. OKC, and vs. HOU …. both of whom are beatable, esp. in the Garden. Neither OKC or HOU have the veteran savvy to lay wood to the C’s like the Spurs did last nite. I hope OKCs young legs run circles around the Celts.

@MC, I hear ya ……. but if you combine the “malaise games” vs. lesser teams and the double-digit 4Q meltdowns (multiple rushed jumper/poor possessions that allowed the opponent back in the game)…. we kinda pi$$ed away at least 6 -8 games over the course of the season. :(

@ MC, @OB, @ Big Ray, @northcyde, @ Ken S. , @ Astro or any other Hawks pundit much wiser than me (just about everybody ;) ) …
Given this season is 10 game removed form being over, is there any 2010 1st round pick who can make a difference in our glaring weaknesses as a team for next season?

O'Brien

March 29th, 2010
6:58 am

One of the contributing factors to the effectiveness of the switching is the players must be focused and sharp. And we dont always get that from them. Sometimes they are too slow, and no energy. But sometimes, teams will run the pick and roll until they get the matchup they want. Like Manu on Josh, Felton on Josh, Ridnour over Horford.

Milwaukee took advantage of the switching, The Spurs tok advantage of the switching, and the Bobcats took advantage of the switching. We were fortunate enough to win two of those games, but we could have easily lost all 3.

The switching works very often. But when it doesn’t, we need to adjust. And Woody has not done that. Maybe we can switch everything except Bibby’s guy. Or if we do switch Bibby’s guy, only switch with JJ. Anyways, I’m not a coach, so I ‘m sure there are other options.

As for the game, this was a much needed win for the Hawks. I like the shot distribution, and once we got going in the second quarter, we never looked back. Combined with the Celtics loss, we still have a chance at the #3 seed. I think Orlando is a better matchup for us than Cleveland, so we need to stay focused.

We do have 5 road games left, so that will not be easy. But this is where players should show us how serious they are about finishing strong, and getting that 3 seed. No excuses.

Marcus

March 29th, 2010
7:02 am

loaded question above :)
I am liking Baylors Udoh (PF), and of course, my previous favs in St. Mary’s O. Samhan (C/F), Miss. State’s J. Varnardo (PF), Villanova’s S. Reynolds (combo G), and FSU’s S. Alabi (C).
Really likes Udoh’s game vs. Duke yesterday. I could see him coming off the bench on 2nd team PF.

Marcus

March 29th, 2010
7:05 am

hey just a thought: could Marvin be a better 6ht/7th man than starter?
Saw a special yesterday on NBA TV about March Madness winners in NBA and they flashed Marvin and his Class of ‘05. ON that NC team, he was a 6th man….and then he dipped after 1 season in college.
Have we ever tried him as 1st/2nd off the bench instead of entrenched as a starter (most likely because of his draft position and $$$) vs. fit?

Clyde

March 29th, 2010
8:24 am

ILL-logical

March 29th, 2010
8:41 am

IF the rumors about the BASG are true-they are trying to sell the teams- then the recent court decision regarding the judgement against TBS awarding $281 million to Mr. McDavid could be the answer to the Hawks(and Thrashers)problems.

Normally the phrase Texas used car salesman would be cause for concern but now here is a guy who in addition to the money he had originally had to bid on the teams, he now has 281 large of house money!

Imagine what a well funded, single owner Hawks’ franchise could achieve.No more begging free agents to come; a D-league franchise to devlope players; a proffessional marketing staff and program; and color analysts who can use good grammer. Think a total re-do from top to bottom with one objective in mind: winning a championship,now!

JeJe

March 29th, 2010
8:42 am

FIRE WOODSON

To play this retarded switch game, ending up with Bibby on Granger or Thabeet is RETARDED.

Also, can Teague not penetrate the lane more? he always has opportunities, but just runs around the 3 pt line, rather than trying to get in the lane

Banks

March 29th, 2010
9:25 am

Did the Hawks win last night? Why are you clowns so negative. We are on the verge of winning 50 games. I know things have not been perfect, but give the team some credit when they win. Stop acting like miserable Philly fans

Joe4

March 29th, 2010
9:33 am

Is Morris hurt? Dropped from any playing time.

Mike is Back

March 29th, 2010
9:35 am

MC, great stuff!!

That was a very entertaining game. I the grandson with me…he is three yrs old. The last time he came to the game Sky Hawk high five him. This time Sky Hawk didn’t work the crowd, and he didn’t come out to end of the game. He kept looking for Sky Hawk…I told him there go Harry what about him…the way he looked at me…I said to myself Dang…where the F is Sky Hawk. lol

That was great hustle play by Teague…I enjoyed seeing old Solo…we had a great time!!

KEEP IT GOING…GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Grandad

March 29th, 2010
10:01 am

Marcus:
Udoh, if he falls to us. I posted his name last wk./[nba draft.net]
currently has him going to us. He may very well go much higher.

If we could trade up somehow, Xavier Henry would be some salve, should
Joe sign elsewhere.

Late 2nd or FA, Zoubek, 7-1/260, makes sense. Banger, who could help
interior defense, cost very little, excellent passer, and really BIG.
Probably would have better stats @ a diferent school, however, fundamentals are impeccable.

If he comes out this yr. – Keith Benson, 6-11: Oakland. [2nd round]

I like what AJ said: “late 1st – get a niche player”. Someone who can
contribute and not just sit on the end of the bench and eat biscuits
with Collins. The last part was mine. AJ said the intelligent part.

wordy

March 29th, 2010
10:22 am

Dammit missed the game.

I don’t think it matters who we play 1st round. We will win the series. Round 2 doesn’t matter either because if we manage to beat either Cle or Orl there we will just see the other in the next round.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 29th, 2010
11:50 am

Depending on the opponent, the switching defense is not necesaarily bad. The Hawks are much more versatile than most teams, and the switching often puts Josh in position to get steals and create transition opportunities. But patient teams that have good screeners who can shoot will exploit the hell out of it. I have no problem using the switching defense as the base scheme, but the Hawks need to be more flexible during the playoffs so that they are not stuck employing this strategy when it is not working. They showed that they can be flexible against Orlando; in that game, they used a modified switching D where occasionally they would rotate back to the pre-screen matchup, depending on who was defending. This ensured that only Josh, Al, or Zaza were ever guarding Dwight Howard in the post.

vava74

March 29th, 2010
11:55 am

Since draft talk is a hot topic right now, maybe you guys will find this article interesting.

Bill Simmons @ ESPN’s page 2. Entertaining as always and with a small reference to Marvin Williams:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100326

JeJe

March 29th, 2010
12:06 pm

Watching Harry the Hawk celebrate after the buzzer beaters is by far the highlight of this season for me. Just awesome to watch

GeeMack

March 29th, 2010
12:12 pm

vava74,

We gave up the superstar that was needed to win a championship, and fill the building each night for a complimentary player.

O'Brien

March 29th, 2010
1:09 pm

Najeh,

I’m with you. The switching can be very effective, and give certain teams fits. But certain teams are able to take advantage of it, so Hawks must be willing and able to adjust in the playoffs.

I think the switching is part of the reason why we get outrebounded the way we do. Our bigs are out of position sometimes, and when they are in position, they dont give the effort needed to box out.

vava,

I like reading Bill Simmons too because his articles are usually interesting (not necessarily true). but his Marvin Williams refernce was on point.

“Along those same lines: UNC’s Marvin Williams couldn’t start for the 2005 national champs, but some experts wrote it off as “That’s all right, those guys were loaded!” and maintained that he was a top-three talent. Really? HE COULDN’T START FOR HIS COLLEGE TEAM!

When we watched him play six straight games at the highest level, never — not at any point — did I feel like I was watching the No. 2 pick in the 2005 draft. I thought I was watching a complementary player. Like Aldrich, actually. If alpha-dog tendencies don’t creep out during March Madness, they aren’t creeping out at the next level. Sorry.”

It seems to me that Bill Simmons was right on this occasion. I really dont know what media and GMs around the league saw to make Marvin a consensus top 2 pick. I dont get it. The guy was a 6th man in college, and I dont recall seeing any monster games from him. Plus, at one time, he said he did not even watch a lot of basketball. I didn’t like that.

And if you look at the guys who played in front of him on that Carolina team, Sean May, Jawad Williams, Rashad McCants etc., I can’t help but wonder if he was supposed to be that good, how does Marvin not start for his college team?

vava74

March 29th, 2010
1:37 pm

OB,

Well, there is nothing we can do and if we forget that he went #2, we can at least accept him as being a serviceable rotation player. Maybe next year he will get better.

I had been giving him quite some slack but after seeing him clumsily trying and failing to back down Kapono in Philla, I have lost the little respect I still had for him.

I still think that Shelden was a bigger blunder than Marvin since it was pretty obvious that, being an undersized C and a senior (talent capped), his game would not translate well into the pros.

Marvin’s problem seems to be precisely what his remarks indicated: he lacks passion for the game.

He is not disinterested: Sekou reported that he stayed late working in his game after the others left but he doesn’t seem to be able to carry that onto the court.

Big Ray

March 29th, 2010
1:46 pm

“Atlanta always gives you problems because they switch every ball screen,” Granger said. “We just really didn’t take advantage of the switches like we should have.”

Now what does that tell you? When I read the first sentence, it tells me that the switch defense works fine against bad teams, like the Pacers.

Then you read the second sentence. Guess what? All it takes is one good player to figure out how to beat the switch defense. Indy has a couple of good players, and not much else, so they weren’t able to “take advantage of it”, as Granger suggested.

As the article mentions, Philly didn’t have a problem with our switch defense. Philly is not a very good team, but they have the personnel to take advantage of the style of defense we play.

cp

March 29th, 2010
1:53 pm

The problem I had with drafting Marvin other than thinking he wasn’t even better than Jawad Williams, the guy who started over him was the fact that he wasn’t even in shape during the workouts. It was reported how he couldn’t even finish one workout because he was so out of shape. That told me then that maybe he did not have the worth ethic or didn’t care enough because all the experts had him going high anyway.. I watched a lot of North Carolina games that year and I always felt like Jawad was way better than Marvin. I never understood the hype.

Big Ray

March 29th, 2010
2:10 pm

Najeh ,

I agree. Have to be more flexible on defense. The thing is, we have to be more flexible AND sharp when we switch to a more traditional defensive posture.

As always, it requires a concerted effort. Why? Because the switch defense is used (at least in our case) to hide the more deficient defenders we have. Switching back to a man defense or a zone won’t do us any more good if all five guys aren’t putting forth the effort.

Effort may not always result in the effect you want, but it gives you a much better chance at effectively defending or making defensive plays (or simply preventing an offensive play) than lack of effort does.

There is no defensive concept that can hide or make up for a lack of effort. That is what can be so frustrating about this team. If just one guy takes a play off, we can and often do, get bulldozed on the play.

Big Ray

March 29th, 2010
2:23 pm

CP,

With Marvin, I never saw the point in drafting a college player that high, when he was coming off of his team’s bench.

I understand the guy has “all kinds of potential”, and all the other buzz words. The problem is, you go with potential like that if the kid is coming out of high school, because then….potential is all you have to work with, all you have to go on.

But once you’ve seen them go from high school to college, you now have more hard data. When you’re talking potential, you need to be talking about a guy who is so good, he has to start. Yeah, sure, in college, upper classmen have the experience, so they are more likely to start. Guess what? The best programs know that if an underclassman is simply better, then THAT’S the kid you put in the starting lineup. Marvin was good, but Jawad was good enough that Marvin was a luxury to have off the bench.

Look at other college freshmen such as Mike Beasley, Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony. There was no doubt to their talent, and the programs they played for were serious basketball programs. Potential or no, Marvin never had me thinking “superstar” by a long stretch. To me, he was another talented guy with height and length, who could shoot. But he wasn’t that hard charger that demands that you play him as much as you can.

Accepting him for what he is, is all fine and good. At some point, management has to figure out if he’s a part of what helps us go forward, or if he’s an asset to use, for the purposes of helping us get better.

Grandad

March 29th, 2010
2:45 pm

vava74:
[Ken Stricland,R.f.C.P.,Big Ray,O'B,Sautee,drmaryb]
may want to read this as well. With all due respect:
(I know I left off many many of my new friends)
vava:
As always you’re on point.
Thanks again for the heads up on BS’ book.
I agree 100% on the SW selection being worse.
O’B, I think part of the reason Marv was not a starter, all those
others were seniors & if I’m not mistaken they all were drafted.
Roy is a little like Willie Martinez (loyalty to seniors).
Nonetheless, Marv:
[I'm a broken record I know]
Yesterday, I only saw, the 4th qtr.
Marv – flashed to the high post 3 times and made 2 mid range jumpers.
Marv, posted Hibbert[?]low, made a hybrid Sikma/McHale turnaround
fade away post move & made the shot.
This next observation if anybody ever picks up on it I want the credit:
Marvin plays like a white guy. (not a compliment)
Pistol Pete in reverse!
So – Wdsn needs to recognize this & not try to make him into Pippin.
Silk purse…you know the cliche.
Also defensively:
Marv’s got a big butt and and arms 8 in. longer than his hgt.
[Marv bare ft. 6-7, wingspan 7-3]
The reason I brought up his phys. characteristics are he is stronger in his lower body than upper body, yet tremendous length.
He would be a good to exceptional, on ball, post defender.
[Opposed to Josh who is a great help side defender/shot blocker.]
Marv’s lower body strength works for him. [coupled with length.]
He did a nice job on Hibbert[7-2],when defending the low post yesterday. So – “What the heck, give it a try”.
My main complaint with Wdsn [besides being obtuse] is failure to adapt or failure to make adjustments [in game].
WITH MARV: Wdsn I fear is trying to fit a round peg into a square hole. (Playing him on the wing when he is OBVIOUSLY not a slasher)
Wdsn does this in other cases:
I’ll list only one – running his beloved swithing def. regardless of who is on the floor.
Anyway, I recon my point is, Marv is an asset and we should try to maximize our assets. Whoops, I stumbled onto another Wdsn foible:
failure to maximize assets, oh well.

GeeMack

March 29th, 2010
2:46 pm

Big Ray

At some point, management has to figure out if he’s a part of what helps us go forward, or if he’s an asset to use, for the purposes of helping us get better.

I can help them with that decision. He’s an asset to help us get better. The also must realize along with JJ contract this summer Horford is a restricted free agent, and teams are going to come after Horford.

So while the Hawks are slowly building we could lose both JJ and Horford to free agency.

Grandad

March 29th, 2010
2:58 pm

Switching & reckon / typo not spelling.
I could win a spelling bee.
I could never be a stenographer.
recognizing my assets.