Atlanta Hawks at Raptors: Woodson gives Bibby some needling

lanier

March 17th, 2010
1:20 pm

if they dont like Jack send him home. we will take him

akoo

March 17th, 2010
1:21 pm

first?

AtWork

March 17th, 2010
1:22 pm

I like to see Teague playing more…we are going to need him in the playoffs. Would like to see Joe Smith and another JC or RM get some more time before the playoffs. Hope the Hawks keep the wheels turning and get these wins that we SHOULD get.

Hope Joe heels** up nice in time for the playoffs. His absence will help chemistry and experience for others.

lanier

March 17th, 2010
1:27 pm

2nd akoo

ILL-logical

March 17th, 2010
1:29 pm

Thank you for the brief recitations from the Book of Woodson; enlightenment shall surely follow.

Seriously, it appears that the excrement is about to hit the oscillating wind device in BASG land: To use Occams razor; the boys are broke!

Now we can see why the current head coach acts crazy sometimes, working for these people will make you crazy. Now the question(s) at hand is how can the hawks be saved from a bleak future? any thoughts?

MsDee

March 17th, 2010
1:38 pm

I dont care what no body says, when Teague played that game in LA against the Lakers, I would say that was his best NBA performance ever so far but Woody did not allow him no more game time for the next 3 or 4 games there after and that my friends/fans of the HAWKS was when Teague started to look the way he did last night..scared to make a mistake, nervous, timmed, ect.. Woodson had no right to not play him anymore. He did the same thing to Salim when he scored all but 20+ points in the 4th quarter alone..Salim saw no more day light after that. So all yall who keep saying, “Teague is no baller, Woodson knows what he is talking about cause of Salim, Acie, and Ivey, Teague doesnt have what it takes…,yall dont know what yall are talking about!!! Woodson just SUCKS when it comes to rookies PERIOD!!!!

MsDee

March 17th, 2010
1:39 pm

I bet if Teague would have been under Doc Rivers, NO ONE HERE COULD HONESTLY SAY THAT TEAGUE WOULD HAVE PLAYED LIKE IT DID LAST NIGHT!! Look at the ‘no respect’ talk Rondo got when he entered the NBA and look at him now. Mann,,I would luv to have Doc as a head coach!!

tjhook

March 17th, 2010
1:47 pm

MsDee, I’m co-signing on Teague’s play against the Lakers, he was ferocious against them in the second half (threw down an awesome dunk in transition -comparable to some of Smoove’s best work). He needs to be encouraged. Isn’t it interesting how Woody is so buddy with the veterans. He knows they are his key to survival. No new contract for this guy unless he brings in an offensive strategist. There has to be a teacher, X and O guy available. I like Eric Mussleman.

O'Brien

March 17th, 2010
2:08 pm

I would be surprised if the BASG try to sell the Hawks. I think they will look for another partner to replace Belkin and help share the cost burden. However, I think they will try and sell the Thrashers.

Props to Woody for not throwing Bibby under the bus. Instead, he is going to try and use it as motivation to push Bibby. Bibby and Marvin are the weak links in our starting lineup, so hopefully they will be able to turn it up a notch for the playoffs.

With Toronto struggling the way they are, I think the chances have significantly increased that Chris Bosh is leaving at the end of the season.

MsDee,

I think Woody’s inconsistency is a factor as to why Teague does not look more comfortable out there. He is so conscious of not making a mistake, that he is playing scared.

However, he still has things he needs to work on (like his jump shots and committing silly fouls), so hopefully he will continue to work on his game, make the most out of practice, and be ready whenever his number is called again.

Marcus

March 17th, 2010
2:38 pm

Interesting. MC, a before the trade deadline ESPN had a trade machine to work a deal to see if it passed the NBA trading regulations. I conjured up a 3-way between us Charlotte and Toronto. I will have to look it up when I get home, but it netted a theorhetical 3-game improvement based on stats.

northcyde

March 17th, 2010
2:41 pm

My comments didn’t take. Let’s see if I can fix that.

Astro Joe

March 17th, 2010
2:42 pm

MsDee, look at the Celtics’ record in Rondo’s rookie season.

northcyde

March 17th, 2010
2:42 pm

( part 1 )

MsDee . . . I could systematically break down Salim and Acie and Shelden, and flat out prove you wrong on that “they didn’t get a chance” here.

What happened, is that they couldn’t consistently get it done. That’s what happened to those guys. When people talk about Salim, you’re talking about arguably a guy that had one of the greatest shooting seasons a guard has ever had on the collegiate level. He hit 50% FG . . 50% 3FG . .and 90% FT his Senior year.

But on the pro level, he HAD to either be a “lights-out shooter” as an undersized 2 guard or develop adequate PG skills. While Salim had his moments, they were far and few between. I was a HUGE Salim guy. And in my opinion, Salim was a “baller”. But Salim was arguably better in his rookie year, than he was in year 2 and 3 with the Hawks. Remember, the only competition he had at PG, were guys like Lue, Ivey, and later on AJ. As heralded of a shooter Salim was coming out of college, he NEVER shot the ball better than Tyronn Lue while with the Hawks. That’s a fact.

Gilley

March 17th, 2010
2:44 pm

Bibby just needs to run the offense and get us in our sets and hit open shots for the next year or two until Teague takes over full-time.

northcyde

March 17th, 2010
2:44 pm

haha . . there’s something that’s not letting me post my comments about Acie. Let me see if I can find it.

Gilley

March 17th, 2010
2:47 pm

@Astro Joe look at how Rondo has been honed into an all-star and been the most consistent player despite 3 hall of famers on the roster. No excusing Woody when it comes to playing rooks. Hen is terrible unless he has no other choice (2004 Josh and Josh) Salim would have been a great scorer for us but he never got the chance. He didn’t get any other chances in the league either but he proved he can put up numbers with the Hawks. Scored 30 and sat the next game. SMH. Good deeds are not rewarded I guess.

Mel

March 17th, 2010
2:48 pm

Yeah, there should be no reason he only played 6 minutes in the first half against the NETS. This is the type of game Woody should let him run loose.

northcyde

March 17th, 2010
2:49 pm

lol . still can’t post it. Let me see if I can post it a little bit at a time then.

ant banks

March 17th, 2010
2:54 pm

the 3 yrs that i have been comin’ to this blogs has shown me that a majority of the people don’t know what in the h-e-l-l they are talkin’ about.

1.you wanted ac law to get more time. HE WAS GARBAGE.
2.you wanted to trade josh. HE IS OUR BEST PLAYER.
3.you wanted teague to start. HE AIN’T READY.
4.you say horford ain’t a center. HE WENT TO THE ALLSTAR IN HIS 3RD YR.
5.you wanted woody fired. WHY? HE HAS IMPROVED THE WINS/LOSS FOR 6YRS.

SHUT THE EFF UP AND LET WOODY AND SUND DO THEIR JOB!!

Y’ALL KEEP THE DRIVE-THRU LINE MOVIN’. LOL.

MsDee

March 17th, 2010
2:54 pm

O’Brien,

I truly understand that Teague has things he needs to work on, but isnt that for any of the players on the team? Everyone can improve on some part of their game. The point I was making is that when Teague plays well, esp after that Lakers game, who is to say Teague would not be much much better that Bibby at this point since that game??

I agree with TJHOOK, I believe Woody is bubby buddy with his veterans and he refuses to allow a rookie to out shine any of them. The same with Salim. He was a pure shooter, that’s it. Woody could have used him to score like Doc Rivers allowed Eddie House to do. But again, Woody wanted JJ to have all the shine instead of Salim. That’s why it kills me when folks say Woody must knew what he was doing with those other guys cause they are ‘no bodies’ right now. Its only because Woody killed any and all confidence in those young rookies. Remember, rookies to me are like babies, you dont stomp their growth for if you do, how do u expect them to achieve in this world?? I believe Acie & Salim’s growth were stomped by Woodson and they never acheived because both of those guys look TOTALLY different in college than they did in the NBA and I’m not talking about college compared to NBA but there confidence were not the same as it was even in the beginning of the season.

northcyde

March 17th, 2010
2:55 pm

( ok . . let me skip Acie’s praise as a college player, and see if my pro analysis of him posts: )

Acie gets to the Hawks, and he immediately has a chance to become the Hawks starting PG right off the bat. Woody’s plan for Acie was to play him as a part of the Hawks “3 headed monster” at PG . . with Law, Lue, and AJ pretty much getting equal time.

And Woody DID START LAW, I believe, after the 4th or 5th game. Remember when Law had that good game in which he had 7 assists in the 1st half at Charlotte? In the 3rd quarter, someone fell on him and knocked him out of action for a month.

He gets back, and although he’d lost his starting job to AJ, he was still getting around 15 – 20 minutes a game. But it seemed that after that injury, Acie couldn’t hit a midrange jumpshot OR a lay-up in traffic to save his life ( sound familiar? ).

Both AJ and Lue were regressing as PGs, but I be dang if Acie wasn’t regressing right along with them, with his inability to hit shots, or play solid defense, and with those maddening offensive fouls that he used to draw. Law shot 33% on his jumpshot that year and had the worst +/- number on the team.

The following year, like Salim, you could say that Law arguably REGRESSED as a player. No improvement on his jumpshot. He finished at the rim a little better. Not any better defensively. And this is with the backup PG there for the taking for him. But he let Flip come right in and take his spot. I seriously doubt that Flip was in the plans for Woody to play major minutes. Flip was no more than a roster filler. But he came right in and flat out TOOK Acie’s spot.

True “ballers” don’t let that happen.

northcyde

March 17th, 2010
2:57 pm

The fact is that all of those guys had golden opportunities to be either starters, or main rotation guys. It wasn’t Woody that kept them from reaching that next level. It was they themselves that kept them from reaching that next level. If you can’t step on the court, and do what you’re supposed to do as a player, then you’re not going to play.

And if you always have to play with the starting lineup for you to play well, that’s a HUGE red flag in this league.

You want to see Teague’s “red flags”?

According to 82games.com . . . he shoots 30.5% eFG on his jumpshot. I would bet that if I were to go through every PG in the league, that the percentage Teague shoots on his jumper would either be DEAD LAST or right or in the bottom 10 of ALL PGs in the league.

Also according to 82games.com . . . he shoots 49%FG on his close shots. That actually is a great improvement over what he was shooting back in January, when that percentage was around 43% FG. So it’s nice to see him convert lay-ups a little better these days.

As a passer, I have no complaints from the guy. He can pass the basketball pretty good. He makes good plays as an assist guy. As a defender, he plays decent “on the ball” defense, but still gets lost when his man doesn’t have the ball, and may have to guard an area. Teague definitely tries hard, and he does hustle. People can’t deny that. Some of the blocks he’s gotten this year have been spectacular. But we’re talking about a PG here. I’d much rather for my PG to be able to hit a 20 foot jumper, than to be able to block a shot here and there.

The bottom line about Teague . . . is that it may be Teague’s lack of ability as a player, that’s holding him back, not the lack of minutes. And if he wants minutes, he has to go out and take those minutes. The kid has to prove that he can ball on a consistent basis. He has to be able to do at least one thing in this league VERY WELL, to justify him having a decent career in the NBA. If he doesn’t establish that, he’ll be a memory by 2012.

Grandad

March 17th, 2010
2:57 pm

Dang ILL-logical:
You broke out occam’s razor!
Impressive!

MsDee

March 17th, 2010
3:02 pm

northcyde,

No matter what you say, Woodson does not have the patience to help rookies. Look what he did to Boris Diaw. He never had the patience to use him properly but the Suns did.

Grandad

March 17th, 2010
3:03 pm

Occam’s razor – capital ‘O’. Dad gum sticky shift key.

northcyde

March 17th, 2010
3:11 pm

I believe Big Ray or Sautee asked was Marvin a baller?

My answer to that is NO . . . and I hate to say that about the kid. But I have to answer NO.

I say that because he’s way too content to play his role, instead of striving to do more. Even if he doesn’t get touches in the half court offense, he could at least be a better rebounder. He definitely helps the team on the defensive end, but it seems as if Marvin is content to be what he is . . a complimentary/glue guy. There’s nothing wrong with that. But “ballers” don’t settle for that status.

Also, the fact that this guys mid-range jumper has seem to completely left him, disappoints the hell out of me. That was the strength of his game. The one thing that he could always fall back on, when things wasn’t going right. Now, as an offensive player, he’s struggling to find what he does best again.

So when I hear Teague talk about being “scared” or worrying about people saying “look at that awful rookie”, that tells me that he knows that he’s not playing well as a player ( or as well as he’d like to play ).

I’m sorry folks. But I believe HawksFan in the other thread broke it down exactly right. To be a good PG in this league, you have to be able to

1) create AND make your own shot

2) create for others to get them good looks

3 ) have unquestionable leadership qualities so that your teammates will trust your decision making

The true leaders in this league have no problem whatsoever assuming a leadership role, regardless of age. Teague may indeed get there one day. Hopefully it’s next year. But for all you people who want to see that happen in the next 5 weeks before the playoffs, I seriously doubt it will happen.

Woody is not going to allow him to play less than mediocre at the expense of the team. And he’s right in doing so. Blindly blaming the coach, when a guy has OBVIOUS deficiencies as a player, just isn’t fair to the coach or the player. It places unfair blame on the coach, and gives the player a complete pass to strive to get better.

So when I see Salim out of the league, and Acie with his 3rd team just this year alone, that tells me that Woody’s assessment of these players were dead on the money.

MsDee

March 17th, 2010
3:17 pm

northcyde,

WOW, are you serious?? Ok, first of all, coach Woodson always allows the new guys to play the preseason games. Acie played STELLAR in all those games. Yes, I know preseason is not the same as regular season but what I am pointing out is again his confidence, his floor leadership, the respect he wanted and tried to get from the other players while being the PG leader on the floor. He had what it took to be that NEXT PG for us, but once the season started, LAW got no playing time..not one in the early start of the season. If he made a mistake, OMG, Woodson would bite his head off. Anything Law did good, it was over looked by his bad. And again, when rookies are treated this way, esp after getting much praise in his playing during the preseason, how do you expect them to perform afterward? Right, they start to play passive, nervous, and so on. Oh and dont YOU remember when Woodson yell out at Law when, of course he made a mistake in the game, he was caught of camara saying, “that’s why I dont ever play you”. Law was sent to the bench never again to be seen.

I see Teague heading the same way due to Woody bubby friendship with his vet’s.

theZaZaguy

March 17th, 2010
3:19 pm

I think Woody is doing a lot more for Teague than meets the eye. When Law and Lue were competing, we were a much lesser team. We weren’t 8 deep like we are now. No Jamal, No Bibby, No Murray. We had to play Law because we had no better option. Today, despite playing behind Jamal and Bibby, Teague is getting his chances. And he is being rewarded for his effort at practice. Is Woody doing it perfectly? Maybe not, but I don’t think one could seriously argue that Teague is not able to grow.

A pefect example of this was when they cut to Woody after a Teague mistake. The look on his face said it all. It was “I want to yank him and tear him a new one, but it’ll be better if I keep my mouth shut and and let him play.”

Section 303

March 17th, 2010
3:23 pm

northcyde, be careful. Some on here are still convinced that Salim is an All Star waiting to happen. Thought I had seen the last of that name…guess not.

I think Bibby and Woodson have a pretty cool relationship. Bibby seems like a great guy to have on any team. He’s tough, been through the wars, and can hit shots. He just can’t handle super fast PG’s, but, like he said, he is not alone.

The last two games have gotten me away from the ledge I was about to jump off from. Tonight’s game would be a bonus win. Tough to win two back-to-back road games without Joe playing.

northcyde

March 17th, 2010
3:23 pm

MsDee . . . see . . . I was about to mention Diaw, but erased it. But since you brought him up too . . I can prove you wrong on that point as well.

Woody almost pleaded with Diaw to be a more aggressive offensive player. Diaw started 25 games as a member of the Hawks under Woody.

He averaged 18 minutes a game in his 2nd year. Woody played Diaw at 3 positions in his rooke year, mainly at SG . . but he even played him at PG and SF. With Childress and Smoove as rookies, all three of those guys were pretty much used as interchangeable parts by Woody at the SG and SF positions. At that time, Al Harrington was the star forward.

If you want to blame Woody for not being a mad scientist, and not playing a “soft” Boris Diaw at Center, like D’Antoni did at Phoenix, then go right ahead. And D’Antoni did that out of desperation himself, because Amare got hurt, and they didn’t even have a decent backup center. So D’Antoni gambled, and played Diaw at center. It turned out to be a brilliant move for a team that already played uptempo basketball.

He got Diaw to basically take slow centers off the dribble ( ala what Josh Smith does to PFs ), and turned him into a viable offensive threat. But no other coach in the league would’ve dreamed of putting a guy like Diaw ( who had PG handles and passing ability ) as a point center.

But Diaw got his shot too. He even had one year over Smoove and Chill . . . but he didn’t get it done either.

Diaw is the ONLY HAWK that has gone elsewhere, and thrived outside of Woody.

So if you want to say that Woody missed on Diaw . . . but was dead right about Acie, Shelden, and Salim . . . go right ahead.

MsDee

March 17th, 2010
3:27 pm

northcyde,

Ok you say, “To be a good PG in this league, you have to be able to

1) create AND make your own shot

2) create for others to get them good looks

3 ) have unquestionable leadership qualities so that your teammates will trust your decision making”

I agree. This is true but only for 2 reasons..1) if you are aready a vet PG in this league and 2) confidence is handed to you on a silver platter like Stephen Curry is getting from his coach. As great of a shooter Curry is, if he would have missed his 1st 2 shots in a row with us, he too would have been buried on the bench..TRUST ME!! Curry has all 3 points you made going for him, but again if he would have been with us, you would not see the player you see now in Curry!!

northcyde

March 17th, 2010
3:28 pm

Section 303 . . . man . . . I loved Salim’s tenacity as a player and his mentality. The funny thing about Salim, is that before this season, he and Jamal Crawford had comparable PER 36 numbers. They both were essentially high-scoring, but highly inefficient guards.

The diffference . . Crawford was 6-5 and could get away with it, because he could handle the basketball and pass it. Salim was 6-0 and couldn’t, because he couldn’t pass as well as Crawford and had big time trouble handling the basketball.

I had to realize that Salim’s strengths as a player, never could override his weaknesses. We needed that dude to be Eddie House here, even if he couldn’t play the point. But he couldn’t even be Eddie House.

Marcus

March 17th, 2010
3:29 pm

Question: Was part of starting Bibby at the SG last nite (vs. Crawford) in part an effort by Woody’s to get him more aggressive on offense (by taking shots JJ would otherwise take), also coupled with other factors such as liking Crawford off the bench (not wanting to mess up his flow) and knowing that Teague might be gun-shy and still needed a steadying, veteran PG presence on the floor?

Tim Tebow's Tears

March 17th, 2010
3:29 pm

Jarrett Jack is the man

O'Brien

March 17th, 2010
3:30 pm

northcyde,

I was the one who asked about if Marvin was a baller. I dont think he is either. However, I think Teague has the potential to be a baller. He just needs to keep working on his game, but I like his mentality more than I like Marvin’s.

In 3 seasons with us, Salim’s average was 17 mpg, 8ppg, .41% FG, .37% 3P, .88%FT. Those numbers are not that bad. But he needed to work on his defense, and he took bad shots.

I used to think if utilized correctly, Salim had the potential to be a poor man’s Eddie House. But he wasn’t able to do the things that Woody wanted him to do, and he never took that next step.

Acie had his moments, but his play was inconsistent (especially after his injury).

I don’t think Woody did much to help develop these guys or bring them along correctly, but Woody is not the main reason why they didn’t cut. A HUGE part of the blame falls on the players.

northcyde

March 17th, 2010
3:34 pm

MsDee . . . you’re just drinking that “Woody hates young guards” kool aid.

Steph Curry is a BALLER. Curry can miss 2 shots, then hit 5 in a row and dish out 4 assists in the process . . while being active on the defensive end. Don’t you dare compare a baller like Curry to any of the guards the Hawks have brought in here the past 6 years.

We would be a VERY dangerous team with a guy like Curry. Because unlike Acie and Teague, Curry could play off the ball even in an ISO-JJ offense, and knock down 3s like Bibby. But unlike Bibby, he could fake that 3, and take it all the way to the rim or drive and throw a smooth pass to Smoove or Horford for a dunk. Curry, may be a borderline superstar, if they can get rid of Ellis and get a bigger 2 guard to play with him.

Our guards simply have to prove that they can ball. It’s as simple as that. Blaming the coach or Mark Price or whomever for their lack of development, isn’t going to change the fact that the guards we’ve had here since the departure of Jason Terry, simply couldn’t ball on a game by game basis. Tyronn Lue is sitll the best offensive PG we’ve had here since JT. And that’s a damn shame.

northcyde

March 17th, 2010
3:36 pm

Right O’Brien . . it was you. My bad.

northcyde

March 17th, 2010
3:38 pm

Let me stop. Because I’m going to be labeled as a Teague-hater for simply telling the truth about the kid. I hope he goes 5 -7 FG and dishes out 5 assists tonight, so that people can come back at me. I don’t wish failure on Teague. But I’m not going to make the same mistake I did with Acie and Salim. I can only judge those guys by what I see on the court . . not by what I “wish” they could become. That’s the policy I’m taking with Teague.

MsDee

March 17th, 2010
3:41 pm

northcyde,

Maybe you are Woodson in disguise cause he can do no wrong in your eyes, but I will 4ever say Woodson suck when it comes to rookies, sub assignments, switching defense decisions, no offensive plays but IOS JJ, all the above and below (for that matter). Woodson has done nothing to improve this team, the team improve themselves by staying together and building chemistry.

Also, the game last night was rather entertaining to me without JJ. The ball constantly moved and Jamal did a great job at scoring quickly, while still being able to get other involved. I like it esp when Jamal had a wide open 3pt jumper on the corner, but decided to pass it to Josh who passed it to Al for a lay-up!! Gotta luv it!!

northcyde

March 17th, 2010
3:42 pm

MsDee . . . give Woody a grade for his coaching so far this season. What letter grade would you give Woody?

newkid

March 17th, 2010
3:44 pm

OT: While we’re beating up on the competition this year and next (and hopefully winning a Larry O’Brien in the process), let’s put ourselves in position to take a run after the 6′11″ SF with point guard skills from some high school in Texas. His name is Perry ’something or other’; kid has two surnames I think. Likely a ‘one-and-done’ player. Could be our future at the 3-hole, but we’ll need to get a ‘11 lst in a SNT for JJ (hopefully with a team like the Nets) with a team that’s lottery bound during the 10/11 campaign.

@MC: Did Belkin belly-up to the bar a few weeks back, or not? Haven’t seen a follow-up by the AJC.

Marcus

March 17th, 2010
3:49 pm

@MC
you droppin’ a ‘Boomerang’ reference?!?!? …. LOL. Next thing you know .. you will be tellin’ us that some of the Hawks traveling day outfits are “…coordinated …” with paisley and mushroom designs inside the jacket lining and a matching vest.

Astro Joe

March 17th, 2010
3:51 pm

Gilley and OB, Salim got a goodly amount of PT in his rookie season, stil good in his 3rd season, but he regressed in his 3rd (and last). Anyone criticizing Salim’s utilization in his rookie season isn’t looking at the facts.

Marcus

March 17th, 2010
3:53 pm

MC,
I know you are on the Hawks beat, but are you gonna catch the 1st couple of rounds of March Madness … even if to scout the Hawks next draft choice ?

I like Mississippi State PF/C James Varnardo (sp?). Not 100% sure if he is what we need … but his defense could add another stopper.

Marcus

March 17th, 2010
3:55 pm

I also like Lawal (GT) and Alabi (FL State), both of whom would seem to add more D and rebounding.
If JJ leaves that changes things slightly, but with Crawford and maybe Teague, that lessens the need (hopefully) to draft a SG.

Nate ArchiBALL

March 17th, 2010
3:56 pm

Occams razor – wow. ILL-logical – I want you to know that my Philosphy Professor during my college days at Morehouse just turned over in his grave.

northcyde

March 17th, 2010
3:56 pm

I agree Mr. C

If Woody left a talent like Steph Curry rotting on the bench, you immediately fire him. No way in the world that would’ve happened.

And that’s another attribute of being a “baller”. Ballers aren’t afraid to fail. There is absolutely no fear in Steph Curry ( or Monta ) for that matter.

The crazy thing about Monta, is that we could’ve easily had him, instead of Salim. Billy Knight was seriously thinking about picking Monta ( the slasher – more athletic – penetrating guard ), instead of Salim ( the All-American – pure shooter – highly competitive ) guard.

Monta was bigger and faster, with less of a jumpshot than Salim. But I be dang if Monta turned out to be the better player, because of his ability to get to the rim and score, while Salim’s jumper was schizophrenic.

That’s why people give props to Billy Knight, but cuss that dude out at the same time. We’ve passed on Chris Paul, Deron Williams, and Monta Ellis . . . lol . . . and Brandon Roy.

A lot of other teams did too. But it really sticks out to us, because we always needed a PG or another 2nd level scorer/shot creator beside JJ.

That’s why the Bibby trade 2 years ago was huge, and the Crawford acquisition this year was even bigger. Those moves lessened the blow of not having any of those other guys here.

MsDee

March 17th, 2010
3:56 pm

MC and northcyde,

The funny thing about the Curry and Teague comparison when it comes to Woodson is that WE WILL NEVER KNOW because Curry is there and Teague is here.

northcyde

March 17th, 2010
3:57 pm

No answer from MsDee about a coaching grade for Woody yet. I’ll be on and off the net at work, so I’ll check back for her grade for Woody.

MsDee

March 17th, 2010
4:05 pm

northcyde,

Both Curry and Ellis are “ballers” b/c they are playing for a coach who lets them be free to make mistakes and to improve. I also used Curry for an example, not to really compare the 2 cause I know he is much better than Teague, but I used him to show the diffence coaches can make on a player.

northcyde,

To answer your question, I would give Woodson a D in grade, simply b/c like I said b4, the team improved due to them, not woodson. The only reason he didnt get an F is because we are 3rd in the east..LOL!!

northcyde, I got a question for you. If Teague was with GS under coach Don Nelson, can you TRUELY say Teague would look and play the same???

cp

March 17th, 2010
4:25 pm

Improving your win total each year from 13 shoudlnt be hard if every year you add more talent and the young guys you do have develop… I think im going to stop talking about Teague. Anytime you say something positive or have any optimism for the youngster the same posters write titanagraphs about why he is so bad and why Woodson is so great…Hope we get a win tonight.

Lacsho

March 17th, 2010
4:28 pm

^^^^^^^^^^BINGO

Rod from College Park

March 17th, 2010
4:44 pm

northcyde,

“I believe Big Ray or Sautee asked was Marvin a baller?

My answer to that is NO . . . and I hate to say that about the kid. But I have to answer NO.

I say that because he’s way too content to play his role, instead of striving to do more. Even if he doesn’t get touches in the half court offense, he could at least be a better rebounder. He definitely helps the team on the defensive end, but it seems as if Marvin is content to be what he is . . a complimentary/glue guy. There’s nothing wrong with that. But “ballers” don’t settle for that status.”

Could mot have said it better. I’m not really that big on him defensively either. He has no chance against the top scorers at his position defensively (Granger, Melo, Durant, Lebron…), and Joe ends up trying to guard them.

One thing I will say about Woodson, and young players like Teague is that I have never seen more guys come into the league as above average to great jump shooters and end up being terrible. I am not a Woodson basher either. I watched Teague a lot while at Wake, and his jump shot was not that bad. His jump shot now looks totally broken. His form is terrible and it looks like he is pushing his shot. Something about Woodson and confidence for young guards does not work. Salim was every bit as good as Curry was in college offensively. They actually were very similar because Curry did not run alot of point either in college. AC Law was very clutch and rarely missed a wide open jump shot in college, but could do nothing in the pro’s. Teague destoyed most of the other point guards in the ACC including Lawson, but looks terrible in the pro’s. Just not sure what Woodson is telling these guys to make them not be able to hit a wide open jumpshot. Marvin can be put in this category as well. He at one time had a decent jump shot, where has it gone?

SWAT Native

March 17th, 2010
4:55 pm

Marcus, why don’t you reverse it? Don’t be [blank] whupped, whup that…

ant banks

March 17th, 2010
4:55 pm

the 3 yrs that i have been comin’ to this blogs has shown me that a majority of the people don’t know what in the h-e-l-l they are talkin’ about.

1.you wanted ac law to get more time. HE WAS GARBAGE.
2.you wanted to trade josh. HE IS OUR BEST PLAYER.
3.you wanted teague to start. HE AIN’T READY.
4.you say horford ain’t a center. HE WENT TO THE ALLSTAR IN HIS 3RD YR.
5.you wanted woody fired. WHY? HE HAS IMPROVED THE WINS/LOSS FOR 6YRS.

SHUT THE EFF UP AND LET WOODY AND SUND DO THEIR JOB!!

Y’ALL KEEP THE DRIVE-THRU LINE MOVIN’. LOL.

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hahahah

March 17th, 2010
4:56 pm

At least your cover picture has Bibby playing defense while the freeloading center is waiting for a free rebound…

Is Mike Con & Ham an officer in the Bubba Crew? He certainly slants his stories and picks his pictures to do every thing but cover the lack of a center!

MsDee

March 17th, 2010
4:56 pm

Good point, Rod from College Park..I believe these guys are truly trying to be better ball players. We often hear how Marvin is the 1st one in the gym and the last one to leave working on his shoot. Acie was working hard in the gym as well. I remember reading in one of S. Smith blogs where Tony Delk and others mensioned how well Acie looked with his shots in warm-up practices and how all around he had improved, that he just needed some PT to show them off. I just dont understand Woodson and his philosity at all when it comes to rookies.

Dick Long

March 17th, 2010
5:02 pm

Its Woodson fault that Teague is a scrub and its woodson fault that Horford is 26th amongst NBA center in block shots and only picks up rebounds when some one else plays defense.

Hey con & ham, your boy teague will continue to sit on the pine no matter how much you whine!

Dick Long

March 17th, 2010
5:06 pm

If Woodson was the coach of , Cleveland, Boston, Orlando, Denver, Dallas , lakers or phoenix, hed easily win a championship. By the way, is that a world championship ring on his finger?

Astro Joe

March 17th, 2010
5:13 pm

This what draftexpress thought of Teague heading into the draft last summer. Check out panel on left side and read the situational analysis. I don’t think we’ve seen enough to validate/invalidate this write-up… just something fun to review now that he is getting so much discussion.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jeff-Teague-5293/

Astro Joe

March 17th, 2010
5:17 pm

And nbadraft.net’s review of Teague.

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/jeff-teague

Ken Strickland

March 17th, 2010
5:28 pm

It’s truely comical to hear WOODY LOVERS make sarcastic comments about people who complain about how their beloved WOODY mishandles rookie players, especially rookie PG’s. They make silly comments about expecting players like SStaudamire or ALaw to be Allstars. However, these same WOODY LOVERS have nothing to say about Woody’s love affair with an aging PG that’s regressed to the point everyone considers any gm in which he reaches double figure scoring a very good gm. I’ll bet any of you that if given the same consistent mins, support and encouragement Bibby has received from Woodson, ALaw, SStaudemire and JTeague could consistently give us better overall production than we’ve gotten from Bibby’s so far this yr, especially on DEF.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 17th, 2010
5:31 pm

MC, you can’t just link that video without giving us the story behind it. Come on, man!

Westurd

March 17th, 2010
5:37 pm

MC,
Give us a little background………This is fuuuuuunnnny. Bibster!
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Video-Don-t-touch-Mike-Bibby

Westurd

March 17th, 2010
5:40 pm

after you watch the link above, watch it again. At the end Bibby give Z the stick eye!

Wabe

March 17th, 2010
5:50 pm

CP said it best on last nights blog. The kid is still RAW. He’s not gonna THAW sitting on the bench. He you want to see his play pickup, then the kid actually has to PLAY.

northcyde

March 17th, 2010
6:02 pm

If Teague were at Golden St, he would’ve have to prove that he was a better option at PG than C.J. Watson, to get consistent playing time.

That’s essentially the problem Acie had. Acie had a dang good preseason, but Nellie’s crazy self was playing Acie at SF at times. They played a Curry – Ellis – Law lineup at times. But Nellie knew that once CJ came back from injury, that he would be the 3rd guard. Plus at that time, they had Stephen Jackson, a guy who could play both guard or forward.

*******

So for Teague to play in Golden St, he would essentially have to beat out C.J. Watson. LOL . . nah . . no way he does that. The ONLY reason why Teague may have gotten a little PT with the Warriors, is because of their injury situation. On some nights, G St could only dress 8 or 9 players.

If the Warriors didn’t have Curry, that would increase the chances of Teague playing. But it would depend on if Nellie went with a bigger 2 guard like Morrow to start alongside Ellis at the point . . . or if he went small, and started both Ellis and Watson at the guard spots.

All of the Warriors guards can at least make the mid-range jumper and get to the rim and score. Teague would have to prove he could do that, in order for Nellie to play him.

Professor Krumps

March 17th, 2010
6:05 pm

Ken Strickland youve and buddy love have never paid for all the bets youve lost! Why should we take you up on another bet. Teague is a wanna be, and hes right where he should be on the bench. Maybe we can trade him for a center. Get Jerry Buss on the phone, maybe we can trade him for Pau Gasol if he is as good as you say he is.

Leroy

March 17th, 2010
6:17 pm

Where do I sign up for the “I hate Woodson” club. Is this a hate Woodson blog-o-sphere?

I hate Woodson too, and would like very much to be a part of your guys.

Jeff Teague

March 17th, 2010
6:18 pm

Welcome brother!

Slam!

March 17th, 2010
6:53 pm

One would think that Woodson would know a thing or two about guards….. He wasnt as bad a player and the Bubba crew says he was and I can see for myself he is a terrific coach.

1981-82 23 NJN NBA 7 20.7 4.3 9.7 .441 0.0 0.1 .000 3.3 4.6 .719 0.7 1.1 1.9 2.3 1.0 0.3 1.3 3.0 11.9
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1985-86 27 SAC NBA 81 51 29.8 6.3 13.2 .475 0.0 0.2 .154 3.0 3.6 .837 1.2 1.6 2.8 2.4 1.1 0.5 1.8 2.7 15.6
1986-87 28 LAC NBA 74 66 28.7 6.7 15.3 .437 0.5 1.7 .276 3.2 3.9 .828 0.9 1.3 2.2 2.6 1.4 0.2 2.3 2.7 17.1
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Slam!

March 17th, 2010
6:54 pm

The last number on the short rows is his PPG ave in those years.

Lie detector

March 17th, 2010
6:57 pm

Ive watch Teague sense it got to the pros and I can tell you he is better suited for high school and college. He may not be pro material.

vava74

March 17th, 2010
7:00 pm

Don’t you find it odd that all rookie guards regressed as their careers progressed under Woody?

And that regression has eactly the same characteristics: progressive lack of confidence and shot worsening?

Teague has started his regression already: zero confidence and an awful shot when just a year ago his fearlessness was his “thing” and his shot pretty decent and one of the reasons why he was drafted…

Banks

March 17th, 2010
7:00 pm

Woody does not develop young players. I think he does the easy thing berate the young guy and destroy their confidence. He never praises Teague for good play but constantly yells at him for mistakes. How much in game teaching is Woody or his staff doing with this kid

Blast

March 17th, 2010
7:01 pm

Would be great if Spurs can deliver Magic a loss tonite!

Lie detector

March 17th, 2010
7:02 pm

Astro Joe How am I suppose to give credibility to your pre-draft analyst of Teague when they cant even agree on the dudes height. One says he 6′2″ the other says hes 6′0′. Yeah, and hes lights out from the 3 point line!

Dude, We have standards here……

LOL

vava74

March 17th, 2010
7:06 pm

I have a theory:

Back during the media day, Woody shot about 25 shots on camera.

He missed a grand goal of zero.

I think Woody kills the rookies’ confidence in their jump shots because he is still a terrific shooter and nails every single attempt he makes during practice and the rookies (and now Marvin) can’t match him!

Grandad

March 17th, 2010
7:10 pm

Sybil:

If Wdsn were the asst. coach on alot of teams, he may or may not have won a championship.
Fact: He’s never won one as a head coach.

vava74

March 17th, 2010
7:13 pm

Grandad,

TS/Sybill/… is not worried about stupid details like “accuracy of remarks”…

Blast

March 17th, 2010
7:14 pm

Great start, Hawks!

Melvin

March 17th, 2010
7:14 pm

7-0 start for the Hawks. Nice…

Melvin

March 17th, 2010
7:14 pm

I see Woody took Teague out of the starting line up after 1 game…LOL

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
7:17 pm

Marvin…

niremetal

March 17th, 2010
7:17 pm

Five missed layups in one sequence. Wow.

HawksFan11

March 17th, 2010
7:19 pm

Alley-opp to Bibby, it finally worked

Grandad

March 17th, 2010
7:19 pm

northcyde:

I agree, Marv is not a ‘baller’ to use your terminology.
Neither would Shane Battier, under the same definition.
Battier was drafted 6th if memory serves. Only 4 spots down from Marv.
He is considered a ‘valuable’ component on every team he’s ever played.
My point – one does not have to be a ‘baller’ to be an integral member
of a good team.
I’m not arguing your point, only observing a different perspective.

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
7:21 pm

Who didn’t see this coming?

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
7:22 pm

Marvin is such an embarrassment

HawksFan11

March 17th, 2010
7:22 pm

I’m about to get off the Teague bandwagon and get on Horford’s poor defensive efforts of late

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
7:23 pm

Look at that great defense by Bibby

Melvin

March 17th, 2010
7:23 pm

Time for Jamal

Sautee

March 17th, 2010
7:23 pm

Taylor,

We’ve only played 6 minutes.

tyger

March 17th, 2010
7:24 pm

Falcoons Easy Button 1.0

1.19 Golden Tate, WR, ND
3.81 John Jerry, OL, Ole Miss
3.97 Jimmy Graham, TE, Mia
4. 115 Brandon Lang, DE/OLB, Troy
5. 130 Greg Hardy, DE, Ole Miss
5. 161 Danario Alexander, WR, Mizz
6. 163 Myron Lewis, CB, Vandy
6. 179 Clifton Geathers, DE, SC

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
7:24 pm

lol how did I know Marvin was gonna lose that ball after he snagged it first

Melvin

March 17th, 2010
7:24 pm

Too many jumpshots…

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
7:25 pm

why thw hell are we shooting jumpers on the Raptors. They are terrible defensively. Go to the damn hole u idiots

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
7:25 pm

Weirdest sequence ever

HawksFan11

March 17th, 2010
7:26 pm

Refs letting them play

J.J.M.

March 17th, 2010
7:26 pm

wtf do anybody want the ball

bigdave

March 17th, 2010
7:26 pm

wow..

Blast

March 17th, 2010
7:26 pm

Now, that is scrappy basketball, Hawks!

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
7:26 pm

So no one wants to rebound. Pathetic

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
7:26 pm

Why are the raptors bench players over there acting like cheerleaders? What dorks

Blast

March 17th, 2010
7:27 pm

Hawks have been trying to go inside, but Raps are guarding the entry pass agressively.

Wabe

March 17th, 2010
7:28 pm

We’re shooting way too many jumpers. The Raptors are soft inside, yet I’ve seen nothing but jumpshots. Get inside.

Blast

March 17th, 2010
7:29 pm

Too many turovers.

Melvin

March 17th, 2010
7:29 pm

Can we play the Nets again…..

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
7:33 pm

Jamal is saving us again

Astro Joe

March 17th, 2010
7:34 pm

I’m not watching the game yet, just reading the blog… is Joe playing again? Who’s shooting all of the jumpers?

Astro Joe

March 17th, 2010
7:37 pm

Yikes, frontcourt is 3-13. Never mind. Must be someone else’s fault.

Melvin

March 17th, 2010
7:38 pm

If not for Jamal, the Hawks would probably be down 20 pts even after starting the game on 7-0 run…

HawksFan11

March 17th, 2010
7:38 pm

Did I see an iso-Al? WTH?

Pathetic

March 17th, 2010
7:40 pm

Crawford can shoot but he isnt even trying to play D. thats why his teams always lose.

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
7:41 pm

good job teague

Wabe

March 17th, 2010
7:44 pm

Every shot J.Smith has taken tonight seems to be off-balanced or out-of-control.

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
7:44 pm

LOL Mo got called for a foul while he was on the floor

Wabe

March 17th, 2010
7:45 pm

J.Smith is playing a bit reckless tonight.

HawksFan11

March 17th, 2010
7:46 pm

whole team looks out of sorts tonight

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
7:46 pm

Hawks will always be a nice team, but that’s it. I’m out, tired of the same ole same ole

Blast

March 17th, 2010
7:46 pm

Went to the kitchen and we are down 11!

Wabe

March 17th, 2010
7:46 pm

How about that?

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
7:46 pm

Oh snap Teague is coming on strong now

HawksFan11

March 17th, 2010
7:46 pm

Confident move by the rookie

bigdave

March 17th, 2010
7:46 pm

baller.

J.J.M.

March 17th, 2010
7:46 pm

lol people thought cuz we killed the nets without joe we were good

Blast

March 17th, 2010
7:47 pm

The “Rook”! And 1!

HawksFan11

March 17th, 2010
7:47 pm

Used his beg man well that time

Sleepy

March 17th, 2010
7:47 pm

so much for the jamal wont give JT the ball theories

terrell

March 17th, 2010
7:48 pm

Do your thing Teague!

Sleepy

March 17th, 2010
7:49 pm

only 3 fouls total on the Raps starters we really have got to get more physical

HawksFan11

March 17th, 2010
7:49 pm

I meant his big man

Wabe

March 17th, 2010
7:49 pm

JT0 with 5 points in about 5 minutes.

Blast

March 17th, 2010
7:51 pm

2 fouls on Bosh.

HawksFan11

March 17th, 2010
7:51 pm

Can’t wait for the bigs to show up. The guards are keeping this within reach

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
7:51 pm

lol freaking bums

Wabe

March 17th, 2010
7:52 pm

Which mistake will Woody be more p!ssed with?

Jamal’s turnover?
Or JT0’s rookie moment on the other end?

bigdave

March 17th, 2010
7:52 pm

Jamal had the 3. instead, turnover.

good job Jeff…

Wabe

March 17th, 2010
7:52 pm

wowwwwwwwww

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
7:53 pm

Why didn’t Josh dunk that. stop the layupsand dunk it.

HawksFan11

March 17th, 2010
7:53 pm

Josh shooting like Zaza tonight

Wabe

March 17th, 2010
7:53 pm

Hawks just having one of those nights tonight.

They’re having a hard time hanging onto the ball, needless to say get buckets.

Sleepy

March 17th, 2010
7:54 pm

weve got match there intensity Cmon Smoove and Al

bigdave

March 17th, 2010
7:54 pm

and in to the game for Toronto comes the man responsible for 88% of burglaries/muggings in your community…

Ree Roe

March 17th, 2010
7:55 pm

Where are all the “we don’t need Joe Johnson” people at? This is what happens when there is no Joe & when were not playing the Nets

-REEligiously Roe!!!

Blast

March 17th, 2010
7:55 pm

Wanna see if Raptors can play this well for 48 minutes.

vava74

March 17th, 2010
7:56 pm

switching defense is killing us

Sautee

March 17th, 2010
7:56 pm

Yeah, Reggie is a BAD man.

We’ve got to play better D.

nunna yo biznezz

March 17th, 2010
7:57 pm

sleepy,
its not a theory..he did it because he had no choice, teague was the only one open..but,the next time down the court teague hadn’t even crossed the free throw line (after a horford rebound)and jamaal had his hand raised asking for the ball..

i want to see us get back into doing what we did in the 1st 1:16 of of the game..
we do need to match up with a big body off the bench against these guys

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
7:57 pm

Veteran leadership from Powder

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
7:57 pm

this is pathetic

Blast

March 17th, 2010
7:58 pm

Mike, we don’t need no techs right now. Refs didn’t call it, move on. Your team is already struggling.

bigdave

March 17th, 2010
7:59 pm

i fux wit Bibby…

“get that f-in shiiiii outta here”

BONE

March 17th, 2010
7:59 pm

its time for jamaal to take over n drop that 50

bigdave

March 17th, 2010
7:59 pm

and Reggie didnt swing on him..

Blast

March 17th, 2010
7:59 pm

Game ain’t over yet, oh ye of little faith.

Sleepy

March 17th, 2010
7:59 pm

Right now our problem has nothing to do with Joe . This is exactly the type of game we would have with Joe. We dont have the depth on the frontline for Smoove and AL to not match the intensity of the pother teams frontcourt .Bosh and Bargani are out there like its a playoff game and we come out like its preseason .

Woody needs to pull Josh aside and tell him that Bosh is an all star and this game is gonna put to rest why Josh didnt make the all star game . Youve got to bring it against the best to be considered the best

bigdave

March 17th, 2010
8:00 pm

now he and Reggie going back and forth…

HawksFan11

March 17th, 2010
8:00 pm

Someone had to wake this team up. Way to go Mike

BONE

March 17th, 2010
8:00 pm

marvin on the glass a lil showin some energy lets go duck

nunna yo biznezz

March 17th, 2010
8:01 pm

is it just me,or does chris bosh look a heck of a lot like one of the ying yang twins??

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
8:02 pm

this game is over

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
8:02 pm

LMAO…..smoove was gonna dig in dude….

Blast

March 17th, 2010
8:02 pm

Getting chippy. Josh, don’t get thrown out!

BONE

March 17th, 2010
8:02 pm

nah see smoove needa kock his lil ass out b

bigdave

March 17th, 2010
8:02 pm

i fux with my club.

Wabe

March 17th, 2010
8:03 pm

I said it earlier, J.Smith has been playing and continues to play this game very recklessly. Dude needs a chill pill.

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
8:03 pm

Nice FT shooting

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
8:03 pm

well not over but but the hawks have dug themselves a hole

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
8:04 pm

Jamal is trying to save us. LOL Josh pushed Mo

J.J.M.

March 17th, 2010
8:04 pm

wow did josh push evans?

Wabe

March 17th, 2010
8:04 pm

Right back in the thick of things.

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
8:04 pm

and now they are back in it lol

HawksFan11

March 17th, 2010
8:04 pm

They’re awake now, huh?

Wabe

March 17th, 2010
8:04 pm

How bout that?

bigdave

March 17th, 2010
8:05 pm

a little fire goes a long way..

all that nice guy stuff, helping players up etc. is weak. show some killer and play with passion.

Ree Roe

March 17th, 2010
8:05 pm

Good run Hawks!

-REEturn of Roe!!

HawksFan11

March 17th, 2010
8:05 pm

Be still Venom, I can’t keep up with your flip flops. LOL

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
8:05 pm

Atleast these boys showing heart now….that T gave them an extra boost

the thing is…we need to play with this intensity for the course of a full game…and not only in small spurts that had to be sparked!!!!!

J.J.M.

March 17th, 2010
8:06 pm

im sure everybody saw the video of josh and zaza playing gay with bibby by touching on him

BONE

March 17th, 2010
8:07 pm

yea if joe was @ the game he’d be PUSSIN UP LIKE ALWAYS

bigdave

March 17th, 2010
8:07 pm

Leprechauns won a NBA championship before the season started based solely on intimidation and it drove them the entire season..

bigdave

March 17th, 2010
8:08 pm

anytime there is an altercation Joe is one of the main people stepping in the face of someone trying to punk the Hawks..

bigdave

March 17th, 2010
8:10 pm

he might be quiet but there’s no bytch in him.

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
8:10 pm

Reggie Evans? screw that

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
8:10 pm

50?

BONE

March 17th, 2010
8:10 pm

JAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
8:11 pm

Jamal is superman. go for 50

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
8:11 pm

Crawford going for 50 tonight

Wabe

March 17th, 2010
8:11 pm

Let Crawford go for that 50 tonight!!!!!!!!!

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
8:11 pm

If we’re gonna let “reggie evans” beast us inside…we might need 50 from crawford to win.

Blast

March 17th, 2010
8:11 pm

Hawks cannot afford turnovers or scoring droughts at this time, but Jamal has brought us within 3! Go for 50, Jamal!

HawksFan11

March 17th, 2010
8:12 pm

Let JT0 play center, can’t be any worse than Horford right now

jean

March 17th, 2010
8:12 pm

lmao hortford what a bum all star lmao worked out by evans

Sleepy

March 17th, 2010
8:12 pm

Jaret Jack has 3 pts let him shoot that Joe

J.J.M.

March 17th, 2010
8:12 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab9aoQkMVls

Josh Smith touching on Bibby

Blast

March 17th, 2010
8:13 pm

If I were Woody, I would start Jamal the second half. Screw Mo.

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
8:15 pm

LMAO @ the video JJM posted. Bibby is like WTF get off me LOL

J.J.M.

March 17th, 2010
8:16 pm

lol @ Venom I know right

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
8:19 pm

Lol that video proves even more how the players are never listening to woodson

J.J.M.

March 17th, 2010
8:20 pm

lmaooooo@taylor…you got a point…I dont even wanna know what goes on in the locker room

Melvin

March 17th, 2010
8:20 pm

Thank goodness for Jamal or this thing would be ugly for the Hawks right now…

jean

March 17th, 2010
8:20 pm

jamal murder

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
8:21 pm

And what is Marvin doin at the end LOL He extends his fist into Jason ollins’ chest for no reason ROFL

J.J.M.

March 17th, 2010
8:23 pm

lol I didnt see that marvin part. I just noticed zaza touchin bibby at the end

Blast

March 17th, 2010
8:25 pm

I know white men do not like going bald, but I think Manu might want to re-think that philosophy. That bald crown atop his head just ain’t cutting it.

JohnnyWalking

March 17th, 2010
8:25 pm

LOL at Calderon…. He been drinkin that old King kong messin with Big Smoove. Josh punked him the refs and the fans . They were looking like dude is Bonkers. That play turned the whole game around. Crawford is ON man!! Damn. Hawks looking good for a back to back on the Road. Yeah Teague bump that jump shot, money is driving the lane with that Blinding speed. All of this WITHOUT Joe. Sund dont get any ideas, We STILL need MR Johnson…

cp

March 17th, 2010
8:29 pm

Crawford is on fire. Bibby is playing well. Teague played well off the bench. Defensively the Hawks suck right now. They need to pick up the intensity.

Blast

March 17th, 2010
8:30 pm

Hawks have to take care of the ball in order to win this game.

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
8:30 pm

marvin wdf

Wabe

March 17th, 2010
8:31 pm

Good stuff Mo Evans.

Blast

March 17th, 2010
8:32 pm

Move the damn ball, Hawks!

Blast

March 17th, 2010
8:33 pm

4 team fouls. Attack, attack, attack.

BONE

March 17th, 2010
8:34 pm

MO???????

HawksFan11

March 17th, 2010
8:35 pm

beautiful movement

BONE

March 17th, 2010
8:35 pm

MIKE……HAS……RETURNED

HawksFan11

March 17th, 2010
8:37 pm

If the Hawks don’t win this game it is all on the bigs. PERIOD

Sautee

March 17th, 2010
8:40 pm

Bibby’s playing well.

terrell

March 17th, 2010
8:41 pm

“The Hawks have siezed control of this game”? Come on Nique, it’s the 3rd qtr.

northcyde

March 17th, 2010
8:42 pm

If JJ were playing, we’d been up 10 and not down 4 at halftime. Crawford looks great tonight though. And the death of Mike Bibby has been greatly exaggerated.

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
8:42 pm

Chris Bosh looks like the Raptors’ logo

HawksFan11

March 17th, 2010
8:43 pm

Has Nique called them the Rapners yet?

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
8:43 pm

I hope someone got a piece of that

terrell

March 17th, 2010
8:44 pm

“If the hawks lose this game, it’s all on the bigs, PERIOD”! Wtf? They’ve held Bosh to 6 points. It aint all about offense.

HawksFan11

March 17th, 2010
8:45 pm

My point exactly terrell, it ain’t. An occassional stop by Horford waould be nice

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
8:46 pm

Nice miss

Blast

March 17th, 2010
8:47 pm

Jamal.

Super nasty cat!

terrell

March 17th, 2010
8:47 pm

Joe who?

Sautee

March 17th, 2010
8:48 pm

HawksFan11,

Twice by my count. LOL!

Blast

March 17th, 2010
8:49 pm

Seriously glad Jamal is on my team!

Wabe

March 17th, 2010
8:50 pm

Seriously, what are you thinking right now if you’re a Raptors fan? You’re team is down 8 at home to a Hawks team minus Joe Johnson.

HawksFan11

March 17th, 2010
8:51 pm

It’s Mo’s night to show up. Two really good team showings in a row. GO HAWKS!

Sautee

March 17th, 2010
8:51 pm

LOL @ ‘Nique:

“Hawks have turned Toronto into a jump shooting team which they are anyway”

Melvin

March 17th, 2010
8:52 pm

If Jamal keep scoring like this, Toronto is going to confiscate his passport…

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
8:52 pm

man Crawford is sick as h3ll….

BONE

March 17th, 2010
8:53 pm

YES WE NEED JOE SOOOOOOOOOOOOO BAD

Melvin

March 17th, 2010
8:53 pm

Mo Evans has came to play tonight…

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
8:54 pm

Can Marvin not just set his feet and shoot the ball?

Melvin

March 17th, 2010
8:54 pm

Marvin is a momentum starter, for the other team…

terrell

March 17th, 2010
8:54 pm

Marvin, just shoot the ball and stop looking for the foul. Omg!

Blast

March 17th, 2010
8:55 pm

What a reversal! Where all them bandwagons fans now, heh?

Game ain’t over yet, but feeling good right now.

Sautee

March 17th, 2010
8:56 pm

LOL at Rathbun. He pulled out a “Skipism” from the 80’s:

“Mo steps back, checks the wind, let’s it fly,……. good.”

Wabe

March 17th, 2010
8:56 pm

I’m not big on Mo Evans, but he’s shown that he’s decent. Yet, there are often games where he doesn’t even see the floor.

The bench is proving that they’re not as bad as advertised. Don’t get me wrong, they’re not in the class of the Laker/Magic benches, but they’re not drop dead horrible, as some might suggest based on their lacking minute totals.

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
8:56 pm

Aww I wanted Jamal to get 50. But he can still hit 40

JohnnyWalking

March 17th, 2010
8:57 pm

Crawford is gonna get paid AGAIN this summer by the HIGHEST bidder. He will get 10 mil per again. The whole Raptors team look drunk. Bosh all over ESPN and NBA tv talking junk about his team, then goes out lays an egg. He need to get his azz in the weight room.

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
8:57 pm

Time to let up a run

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
8:58 pm

I guess Joe really did text Marvin and told him he better not have 2 good games in a row lol

Sleepy

March 17th, 2010
9:00 pm

The game is not over if I was Woody Id let them all know now is the time to earn your playoff minutes . If you are out there goofing off I dont want to hear any whining when you dont play in the playoffs

Rod/Sam coming soon

March 17th, 2010
9:01 pm

Marvin having a bad game offensively so you know its coming

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
9:01 pm

What a stupid pass. hahahahaha

Rod from College Park

March 17th, 2010
9:01 pm

Marvin doesn’t even hustle back on D?

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
9:01 pm

wtf was ZAZA doin LMAO

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
9:02 pm

Zaza doesn’t have the handles

Sleepy

March 17th, 2010
9:02 pm

nice try but he shouldve bounced it or threw it up to the rim

Rod/Sam coming soon

March 17th, 2010
9:03 pm

Nevermind that hes been giving Hedo hell

HawksFan11

March 17th, 2010
9:03 pm

Mo didn’t get the text from Joe

BONE

March 17th, 2010
9:03 pm

MO EVANS>>>JOE JOHNSON

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
9:04 pm

Got Damn Marvin has 2 pts and 3 rebs LMAO

Ramon

March 17th, 2010
9:04 pm

Wasn’t a lot of people on THIS blog talking about the Hawks should’ve let Bibby walk and signed Jarret Jack? So who still think they should’ve made that move? lol

Sleepy

March 17th, 2010
9:05 pm

as I said before about stupid plays that play by Zaza wouldve allowed us to go possibly go back up by double digits and now we are in a dogfight the rest of the way

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
9:05 pm

well Teague got 6 mins this game. Maybe one day he’ll see 15 mins lol

HawksFan11

March 17th, 2010
9:05 pm

Slow down Bone. Mo is having a great game, but…..

Rod from College Park

March 17th, 2010
9:05 pm

Nique just won’t give Amir Johnson any credit.

Big Ray

March 17th, 2010
9:05 pm

Well, the whole conversation on Teague, Woody, and young pgs has been entertaining.

For those who are hard of hearing, I’ll say this one more time: I don’t blame Mike Woodson for things that Billy Knight did. End of story.

On to the game, where Jamal is straight ballin’ out of control, Bibby is shooting the rock like we know he can, Mo Evans has stepped up, and Marvin Williams looks like trade bait.

Oh, and the Hawks have a double digit lead. Nice!

terrell

March 17th, 2010
9:07 pm

Josh is 4 assists away from a triple d. on an off night. lol!

Sautee

March 17th, 2010
9:08 pm

Excellent time out by Woody.

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
9:09 pm

terrell that ain’t nothin Marvin is just 8 pts 7 rebs and 10 ast away from a triple double now thats amazing lol

HawksFan11

March 17th, 2010
9:10 pm

Okay, I give up. Al has just decided that he’s not gonna play any defense tonight and no one can meake him. So there!

vava74

March 17th, 2010
9:10 pm

Bad option to go small…

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
9:11 pm

funny thing….this crap isnt even over yet. We should have step on these clowns’ throats

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
9:12 pm

Josh with the good pass

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
9:13 pm

Big AL!

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
9:13 pm

If JJ were playin…Horford wouldnt have even got a chance at that attempt

HawksFan11

March 17th, 2010
9:14 pm

Guard production thus far – 70 points

Najeh Davenpoop

March 17th, 2010
9:15 pm

“We should have step on these clowns’ throats”

The clowns have figured out that the Hawks can’t do that if they play zone.

That said, the Hawks are attacking the zone better today than they have in the past, at least this quarter. More passes and rhythm jumpers, less one-on-one and contested jumpers.

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
9:15 pm

Dumb

terrell

March 17th, 2010
9:15 pm

Josh still shooting jumpers.

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
9:16 pm

It seems Josh feels the need to take long jumpers in the 4th quarter of close games alot.

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
9:16 pm

zone= hawks death

cp

March 17th, 2010
9:16 pm

lol@Nique tonight… Nique has been killing me all night with his commentary…We seriously need to bring in someone next season to compete with Marvin for the starting sf position. Its almost as if everytime he has a chance to shine he comes up short…And how many times is Nique going to say the Hawks have control of the game. We get it Nique. And I guess that’s why they play 4 quarters and not 2

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
9:16 pm

Did Marvin get blazed b4 the game?

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
9:17 pm

Jamal wants 40

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
9:17 pm

6 pt swing

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
9:17 pm

Here we go again

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
9:18 pm

look at his lips @venom….you kno he did.

nunna yo biznezz

March 17th, 2010
9:19 pm

teagues last play in the game was letting a guy go to da hoop and score..woody looked at him when he got to da bench and pointed at the chair and said,SIT DOWN!!

i guarantee u now,that this boy’s confidence has crashed now..
his nerves are shocked!!

you will see a shell shock player from now on,after this game

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
9:19 pm

Yea Marvin has been smokin that good ol Duck Dust lol

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
9:19 pm

Whoa these Meth commercials are creepy

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
9:21 pm

Duck dust hahahahaha

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
9:21 pm

lmaoo

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
9:21 pm

Damn Marvin has more fouls than pts lmao

HawksFan11

March 17th, 2010
9:22 pm

Nunna,

He’s been shell shocked a long time before this game. He’s so afraid to make a mistake, he makes more than he usually would.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 17th, 2010
9:22 pm

I could read Woody’s lips, screaming at Marvin, “What are you doing man?”

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
9:22 pm

predator fouling boys

drmaryb

March 17th, 2010
9:23 pm

Ms Dee,
You must be sleeping with Teague. Or. Maybe your’e his baby-mama?

1. Teague has no jump shot whatsoever.
2. His defense…? OMG he has no defense.
3. Plays fast but has no control.
4. Can not manage the game or run set plays.

Etc. Give the man some time to LEARN how to play in the NBA. This aint College, These are Grown Folks.

“This is the NBA – Man!”

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
9:23 pm

Nah….no way we blow this game?

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
9:23 pm

Please dont choke

HawksFan11

March 17th, 2010
9:23 pm

Jamal, please take charge

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
9:23 pm

Horford clutch

Blast

March 17th, 2010
9:23 pm

These clowns are a professional basketball team.

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
9:24 pm

VERY clutch

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
9:24 pm

Al dominatin Bosh

Najeh Davenpoop

March 17th, 2010
9:24 pm

For those of you who keep b-tching about Horford’s blocks per game, you can send him your apologies on Facebook.

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
9:24 pm

nimbers coming down the court lol

Melvin

March 17th, 2010
9:24 pm

Jamal got foul on the 3pt attempt…

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
9:24 pm

I just knew that Nique was gonna say NIMBERS LMAO

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
9:24 pm

lol Nique said NIMBERS again

BONE

March 17th, 2010
9:25 pm

WH0R3?FORD? NAH U HATERZ

nunna yo biznezz

March 17th, 2010
9:25 pm

NIQUE:” I don’t think that was good time out for the raptors,cause they had NIMBERS”!

vava74

March 17th, 2010
9:25 pm

Josh was hammered on that drive!

O'Brien

March 17th, 2010
9:26 pm

hawks should have gone to Horford on that last drive, instead of Crawford hoisting up a 3

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
9:26 pm

I think Al could put up those numbers consistently if Joe is not playing

HawksFan11

March 17th, 2010
9:26 pm

One block, although timely, does not a great defensive game make

Najeh Davenpoop

March 17th, 2010
9:27 pm

Nique is right. Horford should have touched that ball.

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
9:27 pm

why didn’t we go to AL?

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
9:27 pm

Why didn’t we give it to Al

Najeh Davenpoop

March 17th, 2010
9:27 pm

Please shut the f-ck up Josh… now is not the time to get T’d up.

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
9:28 pm

If Josh could shoot FT’s this would be over

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
9:28 pm

lol@the Raptors mascot had on green too….these boys have Yoshi / Geico Gecko for a mascot…NO way we can lose to a team like this.

niremetal

March 17th, 2010
9:28 pm

How many layups have we blown tonight??????

cp

March 17th, 2010
9:28 pm

Lol@Nique saying Horford has been the “anklet” of defense tonight. You gotta love Nique . And I see a certain poster is back with their wack jokes.

O'Brien

March 17th, 2010
9:28 pm

Co-sign Nique. Why did the Hawks not go to Horford again?

Why go away from what was working in the fourth?

This is what bothers me about the Hawks. I dont think we do a good job of feeding the hot hand

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
9:28 pm

LOL @ Mac

Blast

March 17th, 2010
9:29 pm

Tense moments.

Melvin

March 17th, 2010
9:29 pm

It should be the Hawks ball…

jean

March 17th, 2010
9:30 pm

josh smith is the dumbest player in nba

BONE

March 17th, 2010
9:30 pm

BULL CALL

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
9:30 pm

why is Jamal on turk

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
9:30 pm

not a bad foul there, Hawks get the final shot now

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
9:31 pm

Crawford or Horford…buzzer beater???

BONE

March 17th, 2010
9:31 pm

JAMAL @ THE BUZZER

Najeh Davenpoop

March 17th, 2010
9:31 pm

This might be the worst game Marvin has ever played, and that’s saying something.

BONE

March 17th, 2010
9:31 pm

WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
9:31 pm

got damn marvin is killing us 2nite

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
9:31 pm

Marvin eff you really

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
9:31 pm

DUCK

bigdave

March 17th, 2010
9:31 pm

ladies and gentlemen…

Marvin G. Williams

jean

March 17th, 2010
9:32 pm

marvin should just die what a waste of space

Melvin

March 17th, 2010
9:32 pm

Look like Marvin was inbounds….

J.J.M.

March 17th, 2010
9:32 pm

horrible

Blast

March 17th, 2010
9:32 pm

Turn of bad luck. Hawks need one more defensive stop, and a rebound.

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
9:32 pm

Marvin no u mos def will not get any swan booty 2nite

O'Brien

March 17th, 2010
9:32 pm

Come on Hawks. Why can’t we get a rebound?

I’m glad Marvin got his mojo back lol.

bigdave

March 17th, 2010
9:33 pm

this is all the while im reading 2005 draft grades, previews, mocks, etc.

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
9:33 pm

LOL@them allowing Marvin to take a drink on the side line. Send him to the end of then bench..behind Collins.

Melvin

March 17th, 2010
9:33 pm

Another 4th qtr meltdown…

BONE

March 17th, 2010
9:33 pm

GAME OVERRRRRRRRRRRR

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
9:33 pm

i cant beleive were gonna lose this game

J.J.M.

March 17th, 2010
9:33 pm

how yo blow a lead that fast

HawksFan11

March 17th, 2010
9:34 pm

I’ll say it again: If the Hawks lose this game, it’s all on the bigs. PERIOD!

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
9:34 pm

can marvin be released asap?

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
9:34 pm

i would like to see Collins eat Marvin

bigdave

March 17th, 2010
9:34 pm

Joe just isnt offense people, would’ve been nice to have him on Turk

nunna yo biznezz

March 17th, 2010
9:34 pm

I WANT TO THROW UP

Blast

March 17th, 2010
9:34 pm

Hawks down 1, 2.1 to go. I say give it to Jamal, and live with it.

vava74

March 17th, 2010
9:34 pm

Wasn’t that a travel?

BONE

March 17th, 2010
9:34 pm

HAWKS MINUS JAMAL ARE BUMBSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Alpha 12

March 17th, 2010
9:34 pm

Marvin, Marvin, Marvin….How about a box out! You see how Woody looked at him in the huddle

Hawks v. Raptors

March 17th, 2010
9:34 pm

i see the hawks choked in the 4th once again

O'Brien

March 17th, 2010
9:35 pm

Melvin,

Hawks went away from what was working. They went away from Horford the last 3 possessions.

J.J.M.

March 17th, 2010
9:35 pm

alley hoop to josh

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
9:35 pm

Jamir Johnson

bigdave

March 17th, 2010
9:35 pm

“Jameer Johnson”…

Najeh Davenpoop

March 17th, 2010
9:35 pm

Crawford barely had control of that ball.

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
9:35 pm

CRUSHING lost.

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
9:35 pm

Marvin williams please kill yourself

Alpha 12

March 17th, 2010
9:35 pm

Marvin’s fault!

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
9:36 pm

Out of all the chokes this season this one hurts the most

Blast

March 17th, 2010
9:36 pm

Ahhhhh……!!!!

Bad, tough loss, man. Hawks should have won this game.

bigdave

March 17th, 2010
9:36 pm

hell nawl.

BONE

March 17th, 2010
9:36 pm

LOOOOL @TAYLOR

Melvin

March 17th, 2010
9:36 pm

We let these clowns beat us….

Maavelous

March 17th, 2010
9:36 pm

The Maavalous one doesn’t box out on the FT rebound and then has a brain cramp on the baseline. What an idiot.

Alpha 12

March 17th, 2010
9:36 pm

Did Marvin make a positive play in this game?

Ree Roe

March 17th, 2010
9:36 pm

Hawks invent new & exciting ways to lose…SMH

-REE Roe!

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
9:37 pm

I swear the next time we play the raptors we better beat them by like 50

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
9:37 pm

Marvin really deserves not to start anymore

J.J.M.

March 17th, 2010
9:37 pm

dont understand why you dont set a pick and throw the ball to the rim for josh

Hawks Fan In Jax

March 17th, 2010
9:37 pm

Tough loss, had a hard feeling about this game, but from a back to back the Hawks played with alot of heart, just a bad break at the missed free throw, good to see Al and Mo show they can step up when needed.

AM

March 17th, 2010
9:37 pm

FIRE MARVIN THEN FIRE WOODSON FOR LEAVING HIM IN!

Hawks v. Raptors

March 17th, 2010
9:37 pm

marvin is such a great asset, 31 minutes … 2 points

terrell

March 17th, 2010
9:38 pm

Tough loss. Bosh just made a huge shot.

marvin sucks

March 17th, 2010
9:38 pm

marvin sucks bad

JohnnyWalking

March 17th, 2010
9:38 pm

Hawks should have fouled with 12 secs to go put em on the line. Even if they do make em they get about 10 secs to get a good shot to win. OHHH well still a great game!!!

jay dubu

March 17th, 2010
9:39 pm

Hawks let a tough one slip away…They have to get more from Marvin. I know he’s trying, but, it’s been a season long struggle. He just can’t seem to break iout of whatever funk he’s in.

That entire group for UNC in 2005, have stunk it up on the court.

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
9:39 pm

I hope they get big collins and randmo to give Marvin a wedgie and hit him in the face wit a pie.

joBjo

March 17th, 2010
9:39 pm

UNDISCIPLINED HAWKS RUNNING THEIR MOUTHS GETTING TECHS COST US THIS GAME. OH OLOOK AT ME MR REF. i AM A MILLIONAIRE AND YOUCAN’T DISS ME MOFO. TECH FOUL, LOSE GAME MR MILLIONAIRE DUMBASS.

AM

March 17th, 2010
9:39 pm

Marvin is a disease.

terrell

March 17th, 2010
9:39 pm

Woody looked like he wanted to pimp slap Marvin when he stepped out of bounds.

nunna yo biznezz

March 17th, 2010
9:39 pm

HE WAS OFF BALANCED,HE SHOULD HAVE LINED UP AND SHOT IT AFTER THE INBOUNDS PLAY….JUST LIKE THE BULLS COMMENTATOR SAID A FEW WEEKS AGO WHEN WE PLAYED THEM,”ATLANTA’S M.O. IS THAT THEY HAVE A BIG LEAD AND WILL THEN RELAX AND LET U BACK IN,AND YOU HAVE TO BE READY”..AND THEY WERE…

BONE

March 17th, 2010
9:40 pm

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
9:40 pm

Mac they should let Collins eat Marvin. Coliins probably likes Roasted Duck.

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
9:41 pm

This is one of the few times I wont blame woody for the loss

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
9:41 pm

oBjo

March 17th, 2010
9:39 pm

UNDISCIPLINED HAWKS RUNNING THEIR MOUTHS GETTING TECHS COST US THIS GAME. OH OLOOK AT ME MR REF. i AM A MILLIONAIRE AND YOUCAN’T DISS ME MOFO. TECH FOUL, LOSE GAME MR MILLIONAIRE DUMBASS.

no stupid, after that the game turned around for the Hawks.

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
9:41 pm

lmao

drmaryb

March 17th, 2010
9:41 pm

Where are the ISO-JOE haters tonight? LOL!

terrell

March 17th, 2010
9:41 pm

If Mo doesn’t start over Marvin Friday, Woody should be fired on the spot!

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
9:41 pm

roasted duck hahahahaha

HawksFan11

March 17th, 2010
9:42 pm

Bad play by Marvin at the end, but the entire front line, starters and subs were completely ineffective defensively. A few stops earlier in the gam and it doesn’t come down to this.

Cannon

March 17th, 2010
9:42 pm

I don’t know what to do about Marvin, he just doesn’t seem to be improving. I cringe whenever he takes a shot. He’s an embarrassment. Anybody know what his shooting percentage is outside of the paint (minus layups and dunks).

jojatek

March 17th, 2010
9:43 pm

Unbelievable! It’s a little late in the season to blow a 6 point lead to the Raptors with less 2 minutes on the clock. The Hawks continue to leak oil even as the playoffs loom…

Rod from College Park

March 17th, 2010
9:43 pm

Great game by Marvin. He really brings a lot to this team. His defense is ferocious. His rebounding is phenomenal and his offense is unstoppable.

Sautee

March 17th, 2010
9:43 pm

We lost this game in the first quarter.

Tough loss, but 24 assists in the last two games by our starting bigs.

TWENTY FOUR!!!!!!

Is there another pair of 4/5 ’s in the league that can do that?

THAT’S why I’m happy to see the ball go through them more.

J.J.M.

March 17th, 2010
9:44 pm

marvin so clumsy he couldnt stand in bounds

terrell

March 17th, 2010
9:44 pm

Marvin got a 5 year deal??? Wow! Pays to be 6′9.

marvin sucks

March 17th, 2010
9:44 pm

marvin could care less about this loss. he sips gatorade like he is the real deal!!!!! i am sick of him..i can’t wait until the hawks are sold. i promise you one of the first things done is marvin and his wonderful off the court, never gets in trouble, can’t walk without falling, non athletic, sideways floatin, jumpshootin, always adjustin his arm sleeve, non jumpin, says all the right things in the interview, hoarse speaking,looks good gettin off the bus, looks even better gettin on the bus- cat is traded!

terrell

March 17th, 2010
9:46 pm

How in the hell are we going to get out of Marevin’s contract?

AM

March 17th, 2010
9:46 pm

Dear Mr. Sund,

Please cut Marvin G. Williams in the morning. He sucks.

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
9:46 pm

I had a feeling something bad was gonna happen after that 6 pt swing where crawford missed a 3 and TOR came back and knocked one down.

I guess it’s safe to say we can stop worrying about winning the Division.

It wasnt as prevalent as in some other games, but I think a few too many horrible possessions came back to bite the hawks in the butt.

Josh’s long jumper……Crawford going for the “big blow dagger” with the deep contested, bricked 3 pt attempt …..we could have got much better shots ….especially with the way Horford was going in the 4th.

Dan

March 17th, 2010
9:46 pm

Is there a dumber player in the NBA than Marvin Williams. What’s his deal? He is always out of control. The worst thing he did was start wearing that arm sleeve. He seems to be more concentrated on pulling at it than paying attention to the game. Watch him closely and you will see how he is constantly pulling and adjusting it when he doesn’t need to.

O'Brien

March 17th, 2010
9:46 pm

Hawks blow an 11 point 4th quarter lead. They were up by 9 with about 5 minutes to go.

And once again, less than 20 points in the fourth. This is the 13th game where the Hawks have scored 19 points or less in the fourth. Their record is 2-11 in these games.

Is it wrong for us to expect the Hawks to execute in the 4th? Even w/o JJ, we had this game wrapped up.

Ree Roe

March 17th, 2010
9:47 pm

I know some of yall like cracking jokes, but I don’t see what’s funny about blowing an 11 pt 4th Q lead & falling apart down the stretch in a playoff race.

-REElentessly Roe!

MAD-DONNA

March 17th, 2010
9:48 pm

Marvin, you and Woody are idiots!

terrell

March 17th, 2010
9:48 pm

Marvin sucks, you forgot,” always patting you on the butt after free-throws”…….

Dan

March 17th, 2010
9:48 pm

I think Woody should fine Josh any time he shoots from the outside, specially at the end of games.

J.J.M.

March 17th, 2010
9:48 pm

I dont understand why we stop going to Horford

roy williams

March 17th, 2010
9:48 pm

now you understand why he didn’t start for me.

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
9:48 pm

drmaryb

March 17th, 2010
9:41 pm

Where are the ISO-JOE haters tonight? LOL!

…….

If ISO-Joe was playing….Those big, high percentage buckets that Horford got fed inside probably would have been bricked jump shots attempted over a double team.

terrell

March 17th, 2010
9:49 pm

LMAO at Dan. That is so true.

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
9:50 pm

Uncle Phil looks p!ssed

AM

March 17th, 2010
9:50 pm

“wearing a towel on your head trying to look gansta on the bench”…..

terrell

March 17th, 2010
9:50 pm

Hey Dan, maybe the arm sleeve makes him think he’s looks like Kobe.

Sautee

March 17th, 2010
9:51 pm

O’Brien,

“Is it wrong for us to expect the Hawks to execute in the 4th?”

Of course not, but you’ll have to admit that Horford executed. Why we went away from him is a mystery.

vava74

March 17th, 2010
9:51 pm

Didn’t Jamal play the entire 4th quarter?

AM

March 17th, 2010
9:53 pm

Woodson,

The next time you and Marvin are lying in bed, could you ask him to step it up before your love and affection for him become TOO obvious. Mo Evans out played him by a factor of 10 tonight and you still elected to go with Marvin in crunch time.

JohnnyWalking

March 17th, 2010
9:53 pm

Damn Woody just Blasted Marv. Woody you shoulda fouled with 12 secs to go, blew 11 point lead , defense no where to be found in the 4th. Marv messed up, But alot of OTHER factors cost us this one also.

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
9:54 pm

lmao@AM….Marvin.

Marvin always looks more comfortable, excited and into the game on the bench with that towel head gear, neatly arranged tucked under his warm up, yet over his head at the same time…resembling some sort of Duck Sphinx look.

He looks more into the game and enthusiastic on the bench than he does on the court. Marvin is definetly a Gay Williams.

Dan

March 17th, 2010
9:54 pm

Fact of the matter is that Al was schooling the raptor’s bigs. We should have kept going with him. But guys, If the Hawks do their job and box out, like their supposed to, they would’ve been up by one and the ball with 15 seconds left. Horford and Josh didn’t do their job in that particular instance and that is what costs us the game.

terrell

March 17th, 2010
9:54 pm

No need to get upset about this loss. We know how the Hawks are. Like I’ve said before, the most up and down team in the NBA. You just never know with this bunch. And did I mention that Marvin stinks?

Kitis

March 17th, 2010
9:54 pm

I know I may draw a lot of ire by defending Marv on this blog and yes, 2 points scored with his minutes played is inexcusable, but he wasn’t out of bounds when he got rid of the ball on that last rebound. It is close, but if you look at the angle that they showed about 5 minutes ago on Hawks Live he gets it away pretty clearly before his foot goes out of bounds. The ref made the call with the pressure of the home crowd on him in the heat of the moment and it was definitely a tough call, but it cost us the game. Rewind it and watch it in slo-mo. I wish ‘Nique and Bob would point it out cuz we’ve got yet another example of getting jobbed this season.

Josh could’ve boxed out, too. He is one of the best athletes in the league, but he had 3 mental lapses down the stretch that killed us (that always-ill-advised 20-footer, the defensive mix-up on Bargnani’s trey, and not boxing out properly on Turkoglu’s missed FT).

Sam from da Swats

March 17th, 2010
9:55 pm

Wow, what a difference a year makes. Where are the Marvin lovers? “He plays defense, he’s improving.” This guy is a puscatore!! GRAB THE F#@KING REBOUND AND WE WIN THE GAME, YOU’RE 6 FEET 9 INCHES YOU CLOWN!!!

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
9:55 pm

Hey ya’ll which choke job was worse:

The 1st Magic game of the season

The 2nd Suns game

The 1st Warriors game

or 2nites choke??????????????????????

adrain

March 17th, 2010
9:56 pm

It is to late in the season for this team to be trying to fine themself wht cant joash finish at the rim strong, why dont we have a offensive style we play. we had all season to solve this our coaches suck we will not go for in the playoff just getting there is not good for us in ATL

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
9:56 pm

Venom, was that one of the SportsSouth Polls???

marvin sucks

March 17th, 2010
9:56 pm

…extra high body bumpin, head towel wrappin, never and 1′n, head buttin ball, referee small talkin, traffic directin,in game scoreboard anaylizin, pre game dappin,never ally oopin, no cross overin, bull dozin,5 year contract gettin, bum!!!! ughhhh!!

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
9:57 pm

oh cool, boston tied us again

Saddle-up

March 17th, 2010
9:57 pm

. Bargnani C 37:43 8-14 4-6 2-4 3 11 2 1 0 1 3 22

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
9:58 pm

This choke was the worst. You had the game won by gay williams can’t stay in bounds

terrell

March 17th, 2010
9:58 pm

Rod told us to go after Stephen Jackson. Just think if he was our starting sf instead of old huggabutt.

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
9:58 pm

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO@marvin sucks
“extra high body bumpin”

Marvin is the best cheerleader the team has, and he doesnt even have DD breasts!!!

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
9:59 pm

No this is my own personal poll

Wabe

March 17th, 2010
9:59 pm

ARE YOU SERIOUS?

I had to step out as soon as Turkoglu got fouled when we were up 2, and there was about 15.2 seconds left.

HOW THE HELL DO WE LOSE THIS GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!???????!!!!!!!!!!!!

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
10:00 pm

I know@Venom…but it should have been one lol

VenomSpitter

March 17th, 2010
10:00 pm

Mac Marvin does have DD breast. Double Duck breast

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
10:01 pm

I think that Warriors game was the biggest choke though.

Ole Hawk's Fan

March 17th, 2010
10:03 pm

Caught the last few minutes of this game and I saw shades of NO, Char, NY, Ny, Ny, Heat, Mia, Thunder, GS………………..now what these games had in common? And MVP JJ played in all these losses……………………MVP to all You JJ Fans.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 17th, 2010
10:03 pm

“Marvin is the best cheerleader the team has, and he doesnt even have DD breasts!!!”

That’s pretty impressive. Jason Collins does have DD breasts, and he still can’t top Marvin.

O'Brien

March 17th, 2010
10:03 pm

Guys,

Lets be fair. All the blame does not belong to Marvin Williams. The Hawks should have gone to Horford on the last 2 possessions, but instead, Crawford took a bad 3, and Josh missed from up close.

Plus defensively, the Hawks gave up 31 points in the 4th. Unacceptable

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
10:04 pm

I didnt think there was a chance in h3ll we could loose that Warriors game, but I started to feel things weren’t going right when we failed to step on the Raps’ necks, allowed them to hang around and they cut the doubt digit lead to 6-7 pts.

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
10:05 pm

lol@Najeh

marvin sucks

March 17th, 2010
10:05 pm

With all due respect O’Brien, this is a Marvin cleansing. Step aside.

Kitis

March 17th, 2010
10:09 pm

What about that Mavs game being a big choke?

10-6 since the All-Star break; it’s a passable record until you look at the quality of opponents and the agonizing manner of defeats. We lead in the fourth quarter in every game but one (Knicks, which was almost the most painful) and had double-digit leads in the fourth in half of those games. There’s no question where this team needs improvement: Ball movement and execution late in games, getting it inside, focusing on D. If Bosh had missed or Jam had hit that shot we’d be talking about what a quality win this was on a back-to-back without JJ. Again, it sucks somethin awful we blew another one but I am holding out hope we won’t have these collapses come playoff time, if we can actually build a lead.

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 17th, 2010
10:09 pm

I’m sorry, but these guys are PROFESSIONAL BASKETBALL PLAYERS. The only thing Marvin supposedly had going for him was a “nice jumper”….and now you cant even rely on him as a good jump shooter.

He’s way too clumsy with the ball, he cant dribble, drive or finish without almost breaking his d4mn bill and neck. This guy seriously doesn’t deserve to be starting.

Eric C.

March 17th, 2010
10:10 pm

When a team constantly blows big leads late…look no further than the coaching staff.

Gm Sund

March 17th, 2010
10:11 pm

Didn’t I come to ATL at a good time and look at who I added to this Roster……………..I must pat MYSELF on the BACK………………..Bringing Bibby back for three years………………Marvin to a Five YearI, Deal and ZaZa signed…………………..I’m The EXECUTIVE OF DA YEAR!

cp

March 17th, 2010
10:13 pm

This is like the 4th game where Nique was calling a Hawks victory in the 3rd quarter and the Hawks end up losing. Nique can you please wait a little longer to call wins……Like I said earlier, we have to bring in a sf to compete for the starting job. Marvin has been given every opportunity in the world and he just isn’t getting it done… And what does JJ have to do with this? We had this game won without him so please cut the we would have won if Joe played crap. The Hawks should have won this game but gave it away and it had nothing to do with JJ.

Gm Sund

March 17th, 2010
10:14 pm

Professional…………………PROFESSIONAL……………………….who said we are PROS?

MO EVANS

March 17th, 2010
10:14 pm

UMM COACH WOODSON, MAY I SPEAK TO U?

WOODY

March 17th, 2010
10:15 pm

SURE MO WHATS THE PROBLEM

MO EVANS

March 17th, 2010
10:15 pm

COACH YOU SEEN WTF I DID TONIGHT , BUT I DONT GET ANYY PT AND INSTEAD YOU START THE DUCK INSTEAD OF ME , WTF COACCH,

WOODY

March 17th, 2010
10:17 pm

WELL MO, I LOVE MARVIN AND I MADE A PROMISE TO KEEP HIM IN THE LINEUP AS LONG AS HE TAKES CARE OF MY NEEDS *WINK WINK

MARVIN

March 17th, 2010
10:18 pm

AYE H03, DONT BE CALLIN ME A DUCK, ONLY WOODY HAS THAT PRIVLEDGE, AND DONT BE HATING CUZ I LOOK LIKE KOBE WIT MY SLEVE N U LOOK LIKE SIMON BERCH

WOODY

March 17th, 2010
10:18 pm

OK, OK, GUYS WE CAN SETTLE THIS

MO EVANS

March 17th, 2010
10:18 pm

HOW COACH, HOW?

MARVIN

March 17th, 2010
10:19 pm

YEA HOW

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
10:19 pm

hahahahaha

WOODY

March 17th, 2010
10:20 pm

OK GUYS, HOW BOUT THIS, HOW ABOUT I BENCH BIBBY AND START MO @ THE TWO AND MOVE JOE TO THE 1…………BUT…..THEN MO YOU HAVE TO SPLIT MY NEEDS WITH MARVIN………..

MO EVAN

March 17th, 2010
10:20 pm

AND WTF IS DAT

MARVIN

March 17th, 2010
10:21 pm

COME ON MO, ILL SHOW U, JUST GET DOWN ON 1 KNEE, ILL TAKE THE LEFT NUT AND U TAKE THE RIGHT

MO EVANS

March 17th, 2010
10:22 pm

YO, WTF HOMIE! I AINT SIGN UP TO BE PART OF THIS, WHAT TYPE OF GAY TEAM IS THIS,? I KNO I SEEN HOW YALL BE TOUCHIN ON BIBBY IN HUDDLES BUT I THOUGHT YALL WERE PLAYIN, F DIS IM OUT

WOODY

March 17th, 2010
10:23 pm

THATS FINE, BE LIKE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE’LL SEE THE NEXT TIME YOU PLAY AGAIN YOU BALD ASS CANCER PATIENT! MARVIN!!!!!!!! BIBBY!!!!!!!! COME HERE

MARVIN

March 17th, 2010
10:23 pm

YEA COACH

BIBBY

March 17th, 2010
10:24 pm

WUT UP DADDY

WOODY

March 17th, 2010
10:24 pm

ASSUME THE POSITION BOYS!…1…2…3..SUCK

MARVIN

March 17th, 2010
10:25 pm

SUCK*****

BIBBY

March 17th, 2010
10:25 pm

***SUCK

WOODY

March 17th, 2010
10:25 pm

AHHHHHHHHHHH, YOU GUYS JOBS ARE SAFE FOR THE NEXT 4 YEARS

OK AJC

March 17th, 2010
10:26 pm

Can this FOOL!! That Cancer comment IS NOT FUNNY. Lame and classless.

OK AJC

March 17th, 2010
10:30 pm

IM HORNY

OK AJC

March 17th, 2010
10:30 pm

ok mo does look like he has cancer lol

Fat Lady Singing.........

March 17th, 2010
10:35 pm

Turn out the lights……………..this season is OVER……………………….ONE series and IT’s VACATION TIME………………..Remeber The Old Falcons would have their Belongings pack and ready to leave town after that Last Game…………………SEE FIRST PLAYOFF SERIES.

Fat Lady Singing.........

March 17th, 2010
10:38 pm

Who was that saying JJ playing DEFENSE……………………..JJ hadn’t PLAYED DEFENSE SINCE AAU Basketball……………………LMAO

S Hawk Fan

March 17th, 2010
10:40 pm

Woody has to be fired!!!!!! He is a joke and in way above his head! But so are the Atlanta Spirit Group! Yes…. I said it!!!!!

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10:51 pm

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red

March 17th, 2010
10:51 pm

FIRE MARVIN BRING BACK CHILLZ!!!!

big worm

March 17th, 2010
10:57 pm

i finally agree MARVIN WILLIAMS IS A HUGE BUST WILL SOMEONE TELL WHY HE’S STILL STARTING

Saddle-up

March 17th, 2010
11:05 pm

No, I find the GM’s have no visions for talent, especially when it comes to guards. Our best moves come when we pick up free agents or make a trade for proven talent. Actually, if a “player” can play then, he can play. Period. Most of the real ” players” are starters from day one.

Saddle-up

March 17th, 2010
11:05 pm

Fire teague!!

FIRE TEAGUE EXPRESS

March 17th, 2010
11:07 pm

BETTER GET ON BOARD THIS TRAIN, CUZ WE WANT TEAGUE OUTTA HERE!!

any things possible

March 17th, 2010
11:11 pm

We should have throw the ball into Horford’s man.

A. Bargnani C 37:43 8-14 2-4 4-6 -8 3 8 11 2 3 0 1 1 0 22

Defense!

March 17th, 2010
11:13 pm

.”Those big, high percentage buckets that Horford got fed inside probably would have been bricked jump shots attempted over a double team.”

A. Bargnani C 37:43 8-14 2-4 4-6 -8 3 8 11 2 3 0 1 1 0 22

Wabe

March 17th, 2010
11:19 pm

“Our best moves come when we pick up free agents or make a trade for proven talent”

That’s the problem. You have a team that’s thriving purely on raw talent + proven talent. There’s not much of an argument that one can make that would validate Woody’s ability to develop players. You said it yourself, our best moves come when we make trades for proven talent, because if it comes to developing talent, we’re in trouble.

UGA

March 17th, 2010
11:21 pm

2 Questions:

Who is the last GOOD team we have beaten?
Will Josh Smith ever stop shooting jump shots? Any time it goes up is classified as a turnover.

Taylor

March 17th, 2010
11:27 pm

Hawks beat the Bucks Feb 28th, but that’s not really fair considering the soft schedule

UGA

March 17th, 2010
11:28 pm

Kind of my point, the Bucks are just average. Well, we did win at UTAH, but Deron Williams did not play.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 17th, 2010
11:43 pm

Acie Law: 22 points, 3 assists, 3 rebounds, 7/8 shooting, 7/7 free throws.

This follows 18 points, 6/11 shooting, 5/6 free throws in his last game, against Memphis.

What a baller.

Playing time is the best deodorant.

Grandad

March 18th, 2010
12:13 am

Now that all yawl young ‘uns have had your fun.
I feel compelled to say 1 or 2 things here.
Marv played poorly tonight.
He got pushed on that rebound play.
However, he’s gotta be stronger and not let himself get displaced.
One man don’t lose a game / one man don’t win a game.
I’m guilty of blaming Wdsn for losses many times, myself.
Typically players win games and coaches lose ‘em. Right. Yeah.
By my count we shot 4 air balls in the last 8 min.
Our [5] man should have had the ball on every pos.
People say: “we needed Joe”, no, we needed to go to Al.[crunch time]
Last play: bad pass or miscommunication?
Jamal had to reach for the ball. (too far in front)
Bibby passed as if Jamal was gonna curl.
We let the lead slip away folks!
If Marv was costing us the game then blame Wdsn for having him in the game. Why was Marv in prime rebound pos. anyway.
Teague 8 min. ? Started last night?
Thats a good way to build the young man’s confidence, after a bad night last evening. Expect Teague’s confidence to drop a few more notches.
How many great pro’s did Bob Knight develop, especially guards?
Answer: 1 [one] ‘Isiah’. Long career to develop one player.
Parallel – I don’t know?
By the way: check the +/- on all the players tonight. Not just Marv.
Teague’s was low too. Yawl might be suprised.

Melvin

March 18th, 2010
12:31 am

Astro,

Najeh beat me to the Acie Law status. Do you still think he can’t play?

Maavelous

March 18th, 2010
12:41 am

I Marvelous Marv am tired uh ya’ honky no talent punks rippin’ on me. You’s kin kiss mah’ Ferrari.

MsDee

March 18th, 2010
1:09 am

Way 2 go..Acie!!

AG

March 18th, 2010
1:14 am

Hortford for the most part checked Bosh all night. That was Josh who let the Raptor center go wild.

Big Ray

March 18th, 2010
2:01 am

Najeh ,

My guess is you won’t hear too much about that. Looks like “non-baller” Acie Law may not be out of the league just yet, but then…what do I know? Some guys improve and produce once they get back on their feet and in the right situation.

I laugh when it’s mentioned that Acie had his chances in Golden State. Yeah right, playing for a coach who probably didn’t want him anyway, and was more interested in getting rid of a 20ppg scorer that he said he loved, then suddenly flipped on. His loss, our gain.

I’m glad for him having two good games in a row, maybe he will get more opportunities like this. In the meantime, Teague is our latest and youngest Hawk, and I’ll support him the way certain people claim we should be supporting the team and coaching staff.

Big Ray

March 18th, 2010
2:02 am

Co-sign Grandad’s 12:13 post all the way…

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 18th, 2010
2:12 am

Hey guys, I hate to say this, but am I the only one getting a feeling that last year’s playoffs might be a mirror image of this year’s???

Originally, I was expecting The Hawks to win a first round series in 5-6 games, and move on to the second for a tough fought serious with a “contender” that could go either way.

As of right now, it looks like we’ll have our hands full with eather Miami, Charlotte, Milwaukee, Toronto or Toronto for 7 games…..only to get embarrass by ORL and CLE in the 2nd round.

Just Saying

March 18th, 2010
2:44 am

I have had enough and I’m jumping off of this roller coaster we call the Atlanta Hawks.

Good thing we kept the coach around for another year to “finish” what he started.

What a joke!!!!!!

truthspitter

March 18th, 2010
2:45 am

Give me Joe, Josh, and Al. Move Bibby to the bench, draft Jarvis Varnardo with 2nd rd pick, give Teague until half way through the season before you ship him off, get rid of Marvin Williams ASAP. Marvin is the biggest piece of waste that this team has as of now. You got rid of Sheldon and Acie while getting Bibby and Jamal back, now you need to find a way to get rid of Marvin, but it will be hard. Sund made a dumb moving by signing Marvin for 5 years, that’s just stupid, Marvin has to be laughing at the foolish Hawks management he fooled them twice, now you know what that means, shame on the Hawks management

northcyde

March 18th, 2010
4:19 am

Keep it real about Acie

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?playerId=3219

He’s had 2 great games in a row, with Rose out. But it’s about consistently playing at a certain level. He doesn’t even have to play this well, just consistently play well, whether he’s a starter or coming off the bench.

When Rose comes back ( which could be Friday ), he needs to keep playing at a high level, if he wants to continue to get playing time.

But keep it real about that dude.

Ken Strickland

March 18th, 2010
7:42 am

GRANDAD-Excellent post and analysis. Last yr I made mention of Woodson being more heavily influenced by his college mentor, BKnight and his heavy handed approach to coaching and dealing with players. You can see it in the uneven way he deals with his players. It was said Knignt loved IThomas, AHenderson and QBuckner, they could do no wrong and he never raised his voice or chastised either of them. We all know how brutal he was with those he didn’t have an affection for, and we see that same crap with Woodson.

The difference between the two as HC’s is BKnight knew fundamentals and how to teach them, how to coach and how to win championships, and WOODSON DOES NOT! Woodson’s major malfunction is he’s completely hungup on trying to establish an identity as a HC, like his mentors LBrown and BKnight. But rather than borrow from, and take advantage of, what has worked so successfully for his 2 fundamentally sound championship calibur mentors, he’s determined to establish OFF/DEF systems developed by him.

O'Brien

March 18th, 2010
8:10 am

Isn’t it obvous that Mo Evans is much better at SG than he is SF? Why hasn’t Rick Sund addressed the backup SF position this past offseason, or at the deadline?

Rick Sund thinks Chills is a utility player, while Marvin is worth 5 years, $37.5 mil? This season has been a major disappointment for Marvin, so I hope he turns it around next season. Although 5 years in, and we are still waiting on Marvin to turn it around.

northcyde,

For various reasons, Acie never worked out in ATL. The interesting thing to me is why did Salim regress under Woody, Acie also regressed under Woody, and it looks like Teague has regressed a little (I have flasbacks to the Lakers game early in the season, and an earlier Nets game, he looked much more comfortable back then).

Obviously, the players deserve most of the blame, but shouldn’t part of it be attributed to the coach and the GM as well?

Ken S,

Since the all-star break, we dont run as many ISOs as we used to, so maybe Woody is slowly leaning on the bigs a little more (although we should have gone to Horfrod more often down the stretch).

I wonder if when Bibby is gone, if Woody will still employ the switching defense…

wordy

March 18th, 2010
8:12 am

what happened in the last 3 minutes? They had total control in the 2nd half. Then nothing. Crawford was awesome last night. So I am going to pretend they didn’t lose in light of his superb performance.

Keeping it really real

March 18th, 2010
8:19 am

Keep it real about Acie

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?playerId=3219

He’s had 2 great games in a row, with Rose out. But it’s about consistently playing at a certain level. He doesn’t even have to play this well, just consistently play well, whether he’s a starter or coming off the bench.

When Rose comes back ( which could be Friday ), he needs to keep playing at a high level, if he wants to continue to get playing time.

But keep it real about that dude.

Keep it real about the minutes while we at it. Acie gets good minutes in two straight games, he producing something. In thirteen out of the previous 14 games, he gets very low minutes. What he supposed to do with those low minute games? His minutes go up and down but he is shooting 50% from the field. Sounds pretty consistent to me. The man cannot do in 5 minutes what he can do in 25 minutes. Maybe if he got more consistent playing time he could do more. Until then 50% shooting from a guy who you say can’t shoot is pretty good when he either does not get to play or gets inconsistent minutes. I must be missing something. He has even played for three different teams this year. Still shoots 50%. Can’t get past the facts, Jack. Can’t get past the facts.

JOE

March 18th, 2010
8:20 am

Marvin, 2 pts and 3 rebounds in 30 min. He is a BAD joke at this point

Keeping it really real

March 18th, 2010
8:22 am

Rose gets the minutes in Chicago, when he come back that is it for Acie. Back to five minute games and you going to blame him for not producing the same. Some things never change kind of like bald woodrow during a game. Never change no matter what changes in the game.

GeeMack

March 18th, 2010
8:45 am

Woody Haters are in full effect today.

Woody deliveres the city a top tier team without top tier, and the fanbase says he’s a bad coach. How dumb does that sound?

BILLY KNIGHT

March 18th, 2010
9:01 am

I drafted acie law and woody never develop him as a player, that was 1 of the issue me and woody had.

I WISH A.C THE BEST I THINK HE WILL STILL BE A GOOD PRO.

Ken

March 18th, 2010
9:06 am

Woody needs to attend a coaching clinic, someone needs to chide him aabout those boneheaded blunders. Does he listen to his assistants because at Woody detongued them?

Mike is Back

March 18th, 2010
9:12 am

I like Woody’s response after the game…Clearly, he was pissed with Marvin for falling to box out and get the rebound. U think Marvin know it.lol

Ken

March 18th, 2010
9:13 am

Sorry woody made a mistake Does he listen to his assistants , because during games I never see them coaching, they looked kind of drugged, maybe woody got the good s–t like Ron Washington got hold of. I call woody Black Fratello, thanks woody it was a good ride, but you are at your limit. If you stay then no inkling of a championship,it would be a waste of talented young men we watched nique, kevin, doc, battle, tree and the rest get old and put out to pasture all in the name of loyalty to a coach who could not coach the team beyound their peak.
R

O'Brien

March 18th, 2010
9:36 am

Except for one or two good games sprinkled in, Marvn has been a major disappointment this year, and I can’t say that he deserves to be starting right now.

I like the idea (vava proposed weeks ago) of starting Mo Evans and bringing Marvin off the bench.

I wonder if Woody is open to that idea this late in the season?

I MUS WRITE

March 18th, 2010
9:40 am

Theres a warrant out for Woody’s arrest, he seems to have killed sum point guards. Also an attempted mured of one JTO…. Curry Collinson and Lawson would all be lost under woody -dont know ifhe’s back nex year but if not I wont be sad to see him go.

Bibby is the worst Pg in the league -defensively seriously give me another name if you can think of anyone worse

terrell

March 18th, 2010
9:41 am

What’s the NBA record for most blown 4th qtr leads in a season? If there is such a record, where making a run for it. And bty, is Marvin still a starter?? Woody looked liked he wanted to throw them bows at his butt when he didn’t get that rebound.

terrell

March 18th, 2010
9:48 am

Sund drafted Teague because he knew this was Woody’s last year. I think he already has a Coach in mind. Why would he draft a pg when the Head Coach only likes veterans at the position? He’s said so himself on numerous occasions. It’s a forgone conclusion. Hell, BK only drafted Acie too piss him off because he couldn’t fire him.

terrell

March 18th, 2010
9:57 am

Marvin sux, but this game shoulda never came down to that rebound. What about the ill-advised jumpshots from Josh Smith early in the shot clock, when Horford was killin em inside? What about Woody taking out Mo for Marvin when he was clearly on a roll? Why does he seem to want to limit the bench players min instead of limiting the starters min? What about Bibby’s horrific defense down the stretch? There are a lot of reasons why we lost this game. Cant put it all on old huggabutt.

Idiot Watch

March 18th, 2010
10:08 am

“The difference between the two as HC’s is BKnight knew fundamentals and how to teach them, how to coach and how to win college championships, and WOODSON DOES !”

There is a difference between with a blogger with sense and one without. A blogger with sense understands that at the college and high school level teaching fundamentals is a must. Most of the athletes have been recruited based on there physical assets not their court knowledge. Training at the Bob Knight level is very high schoolish, sophomoric. Thats why he often had to yell and get physical with the boys.The Bob Knight level is to prepare you from the pros by teach fundamentals and work ethics so you will be ready for the pros.

Unless you are a project child, like ken Strickland, you are suppose to know the fundamentals when you are drafted. Thats why it was said of Horford that he was the most NBA ready player in the draft.

Yes, Bob Knight was Woodson’s College coach, and woodson did have a very good college career. But It was Larry Brown who was Woodson’s mentor. Get your facts straight, ken.

Larry Brown knows how to win championships, and KEN STRICKLAND DOES NOT!

Yea, GeeMack, The Woody haters, AKA, Le Bubba Crew are wide open! It use to be they would only come out after dark, I guess they have taken some sort of potion and now they dont shrivel up in the day light.!

The pros are not a “lets start from the basics” and give it the old college try league. The NBA is a Billion dollar business and its about winning, not teaching the fundamentals. If you need fundamentals stay in school or in Kens case, go to school. I wont buy tickets to the park and rec league, ken.

Since Acie law is the Topic of the day, how many teams has he been with know? how much organic growth is his game today? Acie is a very slow learner and will never be a starter and never have an impact on the game. He will always be a bench guy, just like Ken Strickland. So Ken, sit you assssss back on the bloggers bench, you and team Bubba.

Gamer

March 18th, 2010
10:30 am

Jarett Jack would be a good pick up for Hawks. A quick defensive guard for post-season.

truthspitter

March 18th, 2010
10:33 am

Woody is good coach. Marvin is garbage and I hope he just has a nervous breakdown and retires today. Josh since he decided he wanted to play skilled has forgotten how to finish around the basket. Al is not a C. Jamal is the backup QB in town that everyone loves but he does just as much or more ISO’ing as Joe. This team is a mess

Maktar Ndiaye

March 18th, 2010
10:43 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNtwNpbPOCU

The description of this video is startlingly accurate.

VickSwitchHitter

March 18th, 2010
10:47 am

I knew that when “Starvin” Marvin got his hands on the rebound last night at the end of the Raptor game, I knew he would lose the ball out of bounds. I need to point out it wasnt just Marvin making mistakes. When the Hawks were trying to close the game out, Zsa Zsa Pachula inexplicabilty turned the ball over as he was trying to drive the ball inside. Josh Smith also had a crucial turnover; so I’m not blaming Marvin for the loss. It was a collective loss but Marvins mistake was inexcusable because he should have boxed out and secured the rebound and the Hawks victory. Marvin is a liability in the starting lineup and should be replaced by MO Evans. MO was unbelievable last night and kept making 3s thoughout the evening. I didnt know Mo was that good a shooter. I think if Evans were to play more he would score at least 20 points a night and give the Hawks the scoring to finish off teams. I think we discovered an unsung hero in Mo Evans last night and I believe Mo should be promoted to the starting lineup. Can I get a witness here? Mo was sensational, he shot about 80% from the field and made I believe all of this 3 pointers. Thats more than Marvin Williams has given the Hawks IN HIS ENTIRE CAREER! lINEUP CHANGE SUGGESTED: Start Mo Evans and give Crawford more playing time; also start Teague in place of Bibby for the rest of the season and the playoffs. Results: World Champtionship this season.

Idiot Watch

March 18th, 2010
11:03 am

A. Bargnani 22pts against no defense from horford.

03/17 Atl W 106-105 38 8-14 .571 2-4 .500 4-6 .667 0 1 1 3 3 8 11 2 22

truthspitter

March 18th, 2010
10:33 am
Excellent post!

Sautee

March 18th, 2010
11:36 am

Double ding!

BatmanPritchard

March 18th, 2010
11:38 am

Woody blew the game last night. Most people feel that the game was lost when Marvin Williams botched the game by failing to box out. The game was lost when the ball was not given to Hoford late for Horford to close it out. Thats part of it but the Hawks could have closed it out before Crawford missed his final shot at the buzzer. As a blogger pointed out, Horford was killing the Raptors inside, and the ball should have been continually pounded in to Horford until Horford missed, since Horford was having his way inside and the Raptors couldnt stop Horford at all. The Raptors dont play defense so Horford was going to get anything he wanted, as he had been getting all night. Another mistake last night. Josh Smith should have posted up deep inside close to the basket. There should have been countless alley-oops tossed to josh eye-level at the basket for him to STUFF it home. Those are easy baskets and the Hawks should have made a ton of them. You cant make those on the orlando magic because Howard will block them at the rim, but the Raptors are completely defenseless and there would have been no one there to stop the onslaught. No one on the Raptors can jump with Josh and Josh should have been fed at the basket all night long. In fact, Josh should have feasted making layups because he would have gotten absolutely no resistence from the Raptors. The Lesson the Hawks should have learned last night is that IF YOU DRIVE THE BALL TO BASKET HARD TO MAKE A LAYUP, THE RAPTORS WILL GET OUT OF YOUR WAY AND GIVE YOU A CLEAR LANE to the basket uncontested. THE RAPTORS PLAY ABSOLUTELY NO DEFENSE WHATSOEVER. Oh well, if the Hawks face the Raptors in the first or second round, Im sure they will sweep them because they will know now how to destroy them, if they have read my blog.

Sautee

March 18th, 2010
11:39 am

Anyone who actually WATCHED the game could see that Horford was guarding Bosh most of the time and Josh was guarding Bargnani.

Of course one who thinks Horford has been here 4-5 years could easily get confused.

O'Brien

March 18th, 2010
11:41 am

BatmanPritchard,

So what was Woody supposed to do? Throw the ball into Horford himself?

Or was that the responsibility of the veteran guards Bibby and Crawford?

Of you’re going to blame somebody, at least point the finger in a logical direction (for this loss). The players.

O'Brien

March 18th, 2010
11:43 am

Should read “*If you’re going to blame somebdy…”

I MUS WRITE

March 18th, 2010
11:47 am

Thanx Maktar ur video just reconfirmed that Marvin is a wack sandwich with pickle on the side. He has the ability to be 17/7 but refuses to step up ….Im so disgusted -thanx again

Grandad

March 18th, 2010
11:50 am

Sybil, Sybil, Sybil: Where to begin. You’re all over the place.
Nba billion $ business or about winning…pick one ?
Bob Knight = fundamentals = winning = success = fannies in seats…
= $ = billion $ business. Never mind I just answered it for you.
But you still don’t get it.
Larry brown, bounced back & forth college & pro before he ever mentored Wdsn. Knight mentored Wdsn [admittedly] before LB.
Best pro coaches = best teachers: ?
Aurbach…Pop…Jackson…Brown…Wilkens…Daly…KC Jones – reckon ?
Now Josh Smith – I’m glad you admitted that Wdsn never taught him anything. Fundamentals, that is, like shooting, boxing out, footwork, etc. Maybe he can just rely on college coaches to do that…wait Josh didn’t go to college. Now Marv, ol’ Roy, should have taught him to box out that one yr. so he would have boxed out that young man last night. Roy had marv 1 whole yr. Wdsn has had Marv, how many yrs. now?
Oh yeah, the’re s’posed to be ready when they get here. Wdsn’s job is to yell @ ‘em when they don’t do what the’ve never been taught.
I’m oughta here, goin’ to watch ball, rest of the evening.
You gentlemen have a great day.
Ken strickland & Big Ray Thanks and kudos as well.
vava74 I’m nearing the end slowly/purposefully* on Simmon’s book.
*Is that a real word or did I just make up a new one?

AtlSouthside

March 18th, 2010
12:10 pm

1. Bibby is old, but clutch… I have faith in him for the postseason.

2. Horford is weak on defense, and never establishes himself in the post on offense. Josh Smith could play Center better than Horford. (Hawks should trade Horford, since all the coaches favored him so much in the All-Star voting), we could get a true Center in return.

3. Marvin Williams is a keeper, but he’s not a starter in the NBA, not on a winning team….

4. I’d prefer to play Cleveland in Rd 2.

The Truth

March 18th, 2010
12:18 pm

Some of you here are so blinded with your long-standing opinions; you have lost the ability to be objective. All this chatter about Marvin losing the game is “Not True”. Go back and replay the last 2:00 minutes. Yes I agree he did not have a good night and was mostly invisible. But he did not lose the game. If anything, that honor should go to Josh Smith for not boxing out his man after Hedo missed his last free-throw. It allowed Johnson (who substituted Bosh) to slip into the lane and push Marvin (who had the ball) out of bounds. When Woody made the comment during post game that we failed to box out, he was really talking about Josh because Johnson was on his side. If Josh had boxed him out, Marvin would have gotten the rebound and the Hawks would have won the game.

O'Brien

March 18th, 2010
1:08 pm

MC,

How come we didnt’ get a blog with coach and players comments this time?

There were comments in the article, but we’ve been spoiled (already) with the after game blog…

JeJe

March 18th, 2010
1:48 pm

I don’t understand how Acie Law and Jeff Teague cannot make jumpshots. I have not seen Teague make a jumpshot in about 3 months.

And this isn’t a joke.

HIs form is horrendously ugly

Rod from College Park

March 18th, 2010
2:33 pm

The Truth,

“If Josh had boxed him out, Marvin would have gotten the rebound and the Hawks would have won the game.”

Assuming that Marvin would do anything is just that, an assumption. Guess what, Josh can’t do everything. He’s one of our best assist men, he one of our consistent scores, He’s one of our best defenders, rebounders, leads the team in steals, blocks, imtimidations……. People are not solely blaming Marvin for the loss, they are just realizing that a guy who makes 8 mil per year should be able to bring something to this team besides goofiness. If Marvin made 1 of those 9 wide open (nobody checking him) shots, that he missed, we would not even be discussing any of this. How is it possible to play 32 minutes being 6′9 with a 7 foot wingspan, and only score 2 points and grab 4 rebounds against a terrible defensive team. Like someone else stated, I’m really interested to know what Marvin’s shooting percentage is this year outside of the paint. I would gues it’s probably 20 something percent.

red

March 18th, 2010
2:34 pm

can we trade marvin for either maggette or stephen jackson?

The Truth

March 18th, 2010
2:55 pm

Rod from College Park

“If Marvin made 1 of those 9 wide open (nobody checking him) shots, that he missed, we would not even be discussing any of this”.

Remember I said this:

“Yes I agree he did not have a good night and was mostly invisible”

Josh is not untouchable. For this particular game, Josh did not have a “Josh-Like” game either. While we are discussing Marvin 1 of 9 wide-open jumpers, let us not overlook Josh shooting 5-15.

northcyde

March 18th, 2010
3:06 pm

Marvin outside shooting:

10 – 15 ft: 41.7% FG
16 – 23 ft: 35% FG
Threes: 32.8% FG

It’s the long 2 point shot that has left him for some reason. In the 3 years prior, he has shot 43% – 45% – and 41% from that range.

The league average is 39.6% FG

northcyde

March 18th, 2010
3:22 pm

Plus Josh had that horrible play, in which Bargnani caught the ball, and he just turned his back to him to guard a guy down low, leaving Bargnani wide open for a 3. That happened with just under 3 minutes to go. If we get a stop on that possession, we have the ball with a 7 point lead. Instead, they cut it to 4.

bigdave

March 18th, 2010
3:33 pm

thats what switching assignments does… you’re more vulnerable to blown coverages…

Sleepy

March 18th, 2010
3:34 pm

That rebound speaks volumes about what has been hurting us in 4th quarters of games we lose but the real problem as I said last night before I drank myself to sleep after the game in disgust was the play by Zaza. Bench players on contending teams just dont do that stuff as they know they may never see the floor again .

That was a road game A WINNABLE road game and we pissed it away with silly errors and some of them by role players and that is what bothers me more than anything else .

Rod from College Park

March 18th, 2010
3:53 pm

The Truth,

The point is he does so many other things for this team, you can’t possibly blame he when he has a bad game. Marvin does nothing, 90% of the time, so is it really too much to ask for him to use his 6′9, 240 something pound frame to grab a rebound and hold on to it, when he has done nothing else but stink up the gym. You state he was pushed, maybe he needs to get in the gym, and build his core, so he does not get thrown around like a rag doll. He is the same height and about the same weight as Josh, why is it that Josh is able to bang with the trees, and hold his own, but anytime Marvin goes inside he ends up on the ground? This is the last place to say Josh is not untouchable as just last year, and the year before he was probably the biggest villian on the board, and their were only a couple of regualars who stood up for him (Big Ray was one). When you earn your keep and produce, the jokes and critisizm will diminish or stop. Until then, you are fair game. Marvin should be the most talked about person on this board because he is the 4th highest paid, second highest drafted, guy with the most upside and talent (supposedly), one of the youngest players who brings nothing to the table on a consistent basis. At least you can hustle. I saw Mo Evans sprint back on defense yesterday and try to make a play, while Marvin just waddled along looking goofy. There is no excuse.

O'Brien

March 18th, 2010
4:00 pm

Its almost impossible for the Hawks to catch the Magic now. We are 3 games behind in the loss column (which is really 4 games since Orlando has the tie-breaker), and only 15 games left to play.

The important thing (to me) is to hold off the Celtics for the 3rd seed.

northcyde,

I agree that Josh had a bad game last night, but he still contributed 10 rebounds, 7 assists, and 2 blocks.

Marvin had 2 points, 4 rebounds and 1 block in 32 minutes of play, against a team that does not defend very well. Unacceptable.

That being said, Marvin is not the only reason why we lost. This was a team loss, and unfortunately for the Hawks, we have too many losses like this (can’t even score 20 in the 4th, and we stop playing defense).

But if Marvin does not step his game up by next season, he will be viewed as a HUGE mistake by Sund givng him 5 years, $37.5 mil, basically bidding against himself. Marvin’s contract (so far) is only adding to the mistake BK made by drafting Marvin #2 instead of the PG (Deron or CP3) that we badly needed.

For the Hawks sake, I hope Marvin turns it around. He is young (only 23), but this is his 5th year in the league under the same coach, and he’s been getting starter minutes since year 2.

I dont understand why he can’t be a better (and more consistent) player, and I can’t understand why we dont have other options at the SF position (Mo is a backup SG).

Cyde

March 18th, 2010
4:35 pm

MArvin Williams loss the game for us last night…It did not rebound..he took horrible shots..his defense was terrible..he had what..2 point I think…He is the bad apple on the team!!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

March 18th, 2010
4:39 pm

Saying one player lost the game is insane in a team sport. I’ve only seen that happen once, and that was when Reggie Ball lost to the Dawgs a few years ago at UGA. It is, however, fair to say that Josh at least managed to contribute in other aspects of the game even though his offense wasn’t there, whereas Marvin was basically a no-show.

MC, where the new blog at?

MarvinWebster (the Eraser)

March 18th, 2010
4:46 pm

Mavin should be kicked off the team for losing the game for us last night. Ha-ha-ha-ha! Just forget it folks, I really dont know what mike woodsen sees in the great marvin williams. He is the second biggest BUST in pro sports, second only to RYAN LEAF. Marvin couldnt play himself out of a paper bag and I wish we could trade him for 5 sticks of chewing gum and eight chicken bones. He plays like pure garbage and he ALWAYS TURNS THE BALL OVER AT CRITICAL TIMES IN BALL GAMES. Absolutely pathetic and then when i hear Mike Woodsens press conferences woody always says “MARVIN GAVE US JUST WHAT WE NEEDED TONIGHT” and I look at the stat sheet and see marvin contributing 2 points, 1 rebound, no steals and no blocked shots and 6 turnovers and Im thinking WHAT ON EARTH DID WOODSEN SEE IN MARVIN TONIGHT. Then when the next game comes, Marvin takes his starting position in the lineup and I just want to throw up.

HawksFan11

March 18th, 2010
5:01 pm

Northclyde, OB, Rod, Truth,

All great analyses, all acurate stats. But the one that caught my eye early and often last night was interior defense, or the lack thereof. If you read my in-game posts, you’ll remember “If the Hawks lose this game, it’s all on the big. PERIOD!”

Here is an alarming recount of layups by quarter, converted by each team:

Hawks 3 7 5 0 = 15 layups = 30 points

Raptors 9 7 4 6 = 26 layups = 52 points

intimidation in the paint was not the Hawks’ strong suit last night.

The mindset of this team seems to be “let ‘em score, we can outscore them later.”

So much for the defensive philosophy of the head coach.

HawksFan11

March 18th, 2010
5:06 pm

Not to mention a 12/7 offensive rebounding defeat. This loss goes in the D column. Yes, the team can score with the best of them, unfortunately, this is the NBA, and that IS the best of them.

BatmanPritchard

March 18th, 2010
5:22 pm

If the Hawks had won the game last night it would have changed the dynamics of the season. The divsion title would still be a strong possibility because trailing the Magic by only 3 games means if only a couple (2) teams were to give you help and beat the magic; then when you face the magic head on and beat them: the worse you would be off is a virtual tie for the division lead and after all the tiebreakers there might even be a playoff game to get the division crown outright. But when you dig yourself a hole by increasing the deficit to now 4 games out with only 15 to play, then you cant realistically expect help because you are now praying for the magic to lose most of their games and they are not going to do that because they havent been losing all season. You had a sliver of a chance to win the division title and you blew it by losing to opponents that you should have throttled. the only person to blame for it is the head coach although when I blamed him earlier someone told me (WHAT WAS I EXPECTING FOR WOODSEN TO THROW THE BALL TO HORFORD IN THE POST, FOR HORFORD TO SCORE.) Yep, thats about it, because the players certainly couldnt do that. I was expecting woody to jump out on the court like he did when he knocked over jason kidd AGAINST THE MAVERICKS and take the ball from marvin williams and pass it into the post to horford so that horford could win the game for us. Ill get over it soon. Go Hawks win another won.

Truth-Serum

March 18th, 2010
6:49 pm

There are so many times people, like sautee list stats that are totally irrelevant and there are time when people list stats that they think support there position but in fact substantiates a contrary point of view, like when Ken Strickland posted a stat showing that Horford was 26th amongst NBA center in blocks, he actually thought that was a good thing. LOL

But I would like to commend HawksFan11 for the earlier post. Its very insightful and its the kinds of stat that you can address to make a difference in the game. They are beating us inside and as the stat shows, in the crunch of the 4th quarter they took it to us scoring easy defenseless layups 6 times. We in turn score 0! Their center denied the paint and won the game.

Its that simple.
Good Job Hawks Fan11

Sautee

March 18th, 2010
7:55 pm

So Truth-serum, you agree with Hawksfan11 that Woodson has a poor defensive philosophy?

Or was his post only insightful for the parts you agreed with?

And by the way, those of us who actually watched the game SAW Horford with a layup with about 5 minutes to go. ‘Nique praised him for not waiting on the defense. So those stats are somewhat bogus, as are MANY shot chart results.

That said, as I posted last night, we lost the game in the first quarter with pitiful transition defense.

Sautee

March 18th, 2010
7:59 pm

And if any basketball fan could POSSIBLY think that Bargnani “denied the paint”, well……..

ChokeArtist

March 19th, 2010
9:27 am

Josh Smith was trying desparately to drive the ball to the hole against the Raptors and go inside but the problem is that “josh is not a point guard” AND HE KEPT TURNING THE BALL OVER, OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Josh needs to HANG OUT AT THE POST OR SPRINT TO THE BASKET and let his guards, forwards and center feed him the ball for him to stuff the basketball down the drain.

LuwellaThornton

March 19th, 2010
10:07 am

Even tv play-by-play analyst and hall of famer Dominique Wilkins knew the reason why the Hawks lost against the Raptors is because they failed to feed the ball to Al Horford in the post. Horford was feasting in the post all night long and the Raptors couldnt stop him. Had the Hawks fed Horford ONE MORE TIME TO CLOSE OUT THE GAME, the Hawks would have come out of the battle with the Raptors with a much needed “W”.

CoryBoulder

March 19th, 2010
1:31 pm

VenomSpitter: was right on. I didnt understand why the Hawks continued to shoot jump shot after jump shot after jump shot AND THEY ARE NOT A GREAT JUMP SHOOTING TEAM, particularlly when Joe Johnson is not playing. Josh Smith was dribbling down the court; stopping at the 3-point line and shooting jump shots, which is ridulous. So were all the other hawks except for Mo Evans and Al Horford. Those two guys played a whale of a game and knew what they had to do to help the hawks win. Jamal Crawford was also solid all game. The rest of the hawks were unsure of what to do to invoke their offense. You have josh smiths incredible jumping ability and all you have to do is throw the ball near the cylinder and let j-smooth slam it home. You could have done the same for joe smith, mo evans and everybody else on the team. THE HAWKS SHOULD HAVE BROKEN THE NBA RECORD FOR LAYUPS against the Raptors because the Raptors dont play defense at all. In fact, if you drive the ball down the lane toward the basket the RAPTORS WILL GET OUT OF YOUR WAY FOR YOU SO THAT YOU CAN IT DOWN THE PIPE. And then Marvin (the invisible one) Williams gift wraps the game for the Raptors by having a mental lapse at the end by not concentrating on grabing the rebound and just about fumbling the ball out of bounse (HANDING THE GAME OVER TO THE RAPTORS) instead of being sure handed which is what he is being paid to be.

LesterHayes

March 19th, 2010
3:29 pm

I tell you what, if the Hawks could somehow pry D-Wade away from Miami they would learn how to drive to the basket. Wades first option is always to drive to the basket first, then if the driving lanes are sealed off, Wade will then settle for jumpshots. The Hawks offensive philosophy is just the opposite. First they start shooting jump shots from inside the half court line to see if the shots will fall and then after shooting a poor, low percentage for maybe 3 1/2 quarters; then they start driving down the lane but by then its too late and they subsequently lose the basketball games. If we signed D-Wade he would help at least of our players: Crawford: Smoove and Marvin Williams. Those 3 would benefit from Wade coming over to the hawks. You would FINALLY see Marvin come to life and earning his starting salary.

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