Atlanta Hawks at Raptors: Woodson gives Bibby some needling
Toronto–Made it to Canada, where somehow it’s a nicer day than any I can remember in Atlanta for like the last week. (When I saw the border agents, for some reason all I could think about was: “She got a cousin at customs that get (stuff) through . . .”)
– Chris Mannix of SI.com asked Woody if he’s concerned about Bibby’s problems with quick point guards as the Hawks head to the playoffs.
“You think Bibby has trouble with quick point guards,” Woody said, smiling. “I’m going to tell Bibby that. Maybe he better speed it up in the playoffs.”
Bibby and one of those quick guards that can give him trouble. (Johnny Crawford, Jcrawford@ajc.com)
Chris Sheridan of ESPN.com got to Bibby before Woody could and relayed the exchange.
“You keep some things, some things you can’t,” Bibby said, and it looked like he would let it go and that would be it.
But after a bit he added: “I aint’ the only one who has trouble with quick point guards, I can tell you that.”
Bibby was offered the hand-check rule as an out but he wouldn’t take it.
“I’ve got other things to worry about,” he said.
My take: Bibby is Woody’s guy, and the coach knows Bibby gets motivated by talk about his decline. So Woody will use such slights to coax him.
When Woody met with Bibby a few weeks back, he told him he needed to be more aggressive offensively. He was back on that theme again last night.
“He’s passed up a lot of shots he should have taken this year,” Woody said, adding with a smile: “Maybe he’s saving it up.”
From what I’ve seen, Bibby is a prideful player who cares about winning. He’s a gamer, too, so it’s no surprise he was back in the lineup last night after sitting out practice on Monday.
Look for more of Woody’s sly needling of Bibby to get him fired up for the playoffs. Or maybe more of this will do the trick.
– Woody keeps insisting he’s not really looking at the playoffs picture beyond still trying to catch Magic from 3 games back with 16 to go: “We still have a legit shot to win the division”
His standard line about the postseason: “We’ll figure that part out when we get there.” I believe him.
He’s been getting questions about Milwaukee lately but he keeps deflecting them.
“It could be Milwaukee, Toronto, Charlotte, Miami,” Woody said. “Or if any of those teams fall back Chicago could slip in there. It’s not just Milwaukee we’ve got our eyes on. But I haven’t given much thought to the playoffs. We are focused on the regular season.”
– The Raptors have become the anti-Bucks. They are reeling, losers of five straight and nine of 10. Assuming the Bulls get healthy at some point and that avoiding D Wade still is a good idea no matter what he’s got around him, the Raptors might now be the team everyone wants to see in the first round.
Raps coach Jay Triano might replace Jarrett Jack with Jose Calderon in the starting lineup tonight. Not that the Raptors think that’s the ticket. Calderon in the Toronto Star:
“It doesn’t matter who starts, it doesn’t matter who plays more minutes, we’ve got to win games. We’re upset because we’re losing games. We’re not upset because I’m not playing or I’m not starting or something like that. Let’s keep things simple: We’ve got to win, and everything else doesn’t matter.”
Here was the part in that story that should make the Hawks’ eyes get big: “(The Raptors) once again are being hammered on the defensive glass – Golden State had 18 offensive rebounds and Portland 19 in Toronto’s past two losses – and their transition defence is lead-footed.”
– The Hawks might be for sale.
MC
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O'Brien
March 17th, 2010
10:03 pm
Guys,
Lets be fair. All the blame does not belong to Marvin Williams. The Hawks should have gone to Horford on the last 2 possessions, but instead, Crawford took a bad 3, and Josh missed from up close.
Plus defensively, the Hawks gave up 31 points in the 4th. Unacceptable
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 17th, 2010
10:04 pm
I didnt think there was a chance in h3ll we could loose that Warriors game, but I started to feel things weren’t going right when we failed to step on the Raps’ necks, allowed them to hang around and they cut the doubt digit lead to 6-7 pts.
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 17th, 2010
10:05 pm
lol@Najeh
marvin sucks
March 17th, 2010
10:05 pm
With all due respect O’Brien, this is a Marvin cleansing. Step aside.
Kitis
March 17th, 2010
10:09 pm
What about that Mavs game being a big choke?
10-6 since the All-Star break; it’s a passable record until you look at the quality of opponents and the agonizing manner of defeats. We lead in the fourth quarter in every game but one (Knicks, which was almost the most painful) and had double-digit leads in the fourth in half of those games. There’s no question where this team needs improvement: Ball movement and execution late in games, getting it inside, focusing on D. If Bosh had missed or Jam had hit that shot we’d be talking about what a quality win this was on a back-to-back without JJ. Again, it sucks somethin awful we blew another one but I am holding out hope we won’t have these collapses come playoff time, if we can actually build a lead.
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 17th, 2010
10:09 pm
I’m sorry, but these guys are PROFESSIONAL BASKETBALL PLAYERS. The only thing Marvin supposedly had going for him was a “nice jumper”….and now you cant even rely on him as a good jump shooter.
He’s way too clumsy with the ball, he cant dribble, drive or finish without almost breaking his d4mn bill and neck. This guy seriously doesn’t deserve to be starting.
Eric C.
March 17th, 2010
10:10 pm
When a team constantly blows big leads late…look no further than the coaching staff.
Gm Sund
March 17th, 2010
10:11 pm
Didn’t I come to ATL at a good time and look at who I added to this Roster……………..I must pat MYSELF on the BACK………………..Bringing Bibby back for three years………………Marvin to a Five YearI, Deal and ZaZa signed…………………..I’m The EXECUTIVE OF DA YEAR!
cp
March 17th, 2010
10:13 pm
This is like the 4th game where Nique was calling a Hawks victory in the 3rd quarter and the Hawks end up losing. Nique can you please wait a little longer to call wins……Like I said earlier, we have to bring in a sf to compete for the starting job. Marvin has been given every opportunity in the world and he just isn’t getting it done… And what does JJ have to do with this? We had this game won without him so please cut the we would have won if Joe played crap. The Hawks should have won this game but gave it away and it had nothing to do with JJ.
Gm Sund
March 17th, 2010
10:14 pm
Professional…………………PROFESSIONAL……………………….who said we are PROS?
MO EVANS
March 17th, 2010
10:14 pm
UMM COACH WOODSON, MAY I SPEAK TO U?
WOODY
March 17th, 2010
10:15 pm
SURE MO WHATS THE PROBLEM
MO EVANS
March 17th, 2010
10:15 pm
COACH YOU SEEN WTF I DID TONIGHT , BUT I DONT GET ANYY PT AND INSTEAD YOU START THE DUCK INSTEAD OF ME , WTF COACCH,
WOODY
March 17th, 2010
10:17 pm
WELL MO, I LOVE MARVIN AND I MADE A PROMISE TO KEEP HIM IN THE LINEUP AS LONG AS HE TAKES CARE OF MY NEEDS *WINK WINK
MARVIN
March 17th, 2010
10:18 pm
AYE H03, DONT BE CALLIN ME A DUCK, ONLY WOODY HAS THAT PRIVLEDGE, AND DONT BE HATING CUZ I LOOK LIKE KOBE WIT MY SLEVE N U LOOK LIKE SIMON BERCH
WOODY
March 17th, 2010
10:18 pm
OK, OK, GUYS WE CAN SETTLE THIS
MO EVANS
March 17th, 2010
10:18 pm
HOW COACH, HOW?
MARVIN
March 17th, 2010
10:19 pm
YEA HOW
Taylor
March 17th, 2010
10:19 pm
hahahahaha
WOODY
March 17th, 2010
10:20 pm
OK GUYS, HOW BOUT THIS, HOW ABOUT I BENCH BIBBY AND START MO @ THE TWO AND MOVE JOE TO THE 1…………BUT…..THEN MO YOU HAVE TO SPLIT MY NEEDS WITH MARVIN………..
MO EVAN
March 17th, 2010
10:20 pm
AND WTF IS DAT
MARVIN
March 17th, 2010
10:21 pm
COME ON MO, ILL SHOW U, JUST GET DOWN ON 1 KNEE, ILL TAKE THE LEFT NUT AND U TAKE THE RIGHT
MO EVANS
March 17th, 2010
10:22 pm
YO, WTF HOMIE! I AINT SIGN UP TO BE PART OF THIS, WHAT TYPE OF GAY TEAM IS THIS,? I KNO I SEEN HOW YALL BE TOUCHIN ON BIBBY IN HUDDLES BUT I THOUGHT YALL WERE PLAYIN, F DIS IM OUT
WOODY
March 17th, 2010
10:23 pm
THATS FINE, BE LIKE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE’LL SEE THE NEXT TIME YOU PLAY AGAIN YOU BALD ASS CANCER PATIENT! MARVIN!!!!!!!! BIBBY!!!!!!!! COME HERE
MARVIN
March 17th, 2010
10:23 pm
YEA COACH
BIBBY
March 17th, 2010
10:24 pm
WUT UP DADDY
WOODY
March 17th, 2010
10:24 pm
ASSUME THE POSITION BOYS!…1…2…3..SUCK
MARVIN
March 17th, 2010
10:25 pm
SUCK*****
BIBBY
March 17th, 2010
10:25 pm
***SUCK
WOODY
March 17th, 2010
10:25 pm
AHHHHHHHHHHH, YOU GUYS JOBS ARE SAFE FOR THE NEXT 4 YEARS
OK AJC
March 17th, 2010
10:26 pm
Can this FOOL!! That Cancer comment IS NOT FUNNY. Lame and classless.
OK AJC
March 17th, 2010
10:30 pm
IM HORNY
OK AJC
March 17th, 2010
10:30 pm
ok mo does look like he has cancer lol
Fat Lady Singing.........
March 17th, 2010
10:35 pm
Turn out the lights……………..this season is OVER……………………….ONE series and IT’s VACATION TIME………………..Remeber The Old Falcons would have their Belongings pack and ready to leave town after that Last Game…………………SEE FIRST PLAYOFF SERIES.
Fat Lady Singing.........
March 17th, 2010
10:38 pm
Who was that saying JJ playing DEFENSE……………………..JJ hadn’t PLAYED DEFENSE SINCE AAU Basketball……………………LMAO
S Hawk Fan
March 17th, 2010
10:40 pm
Woody has to be fired!!!!!! He is a joke and in way above his head! But so are the Atlanta Spirit Group! Yes…. I said it!!!!!
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red
March 17th, 2010
10:51 pm
FIRE MARVIN BRING BACK CHILLZ!!!!
big worm
March 17th, 2010
10:57 pm
i finally agree MARVIN WILLIAMS IS A HUGE BUST WILL SOMEONE TELL WHY HE’S STILL STARTING
Saddle-up
March 17th, 2010
11:05 pm
No, I find the GM’s have no visions for talent, especially when it comes to guards. Our best moves come when we pick up free agents or make a trade for proven talent. Actually, if a “player” can play then, he can play. Period. Most of the real ” players” are starters from day one.
Saddle-up
March 17th, 2010
11:05 pm
Fire teague!!
FIRE TEAGUE EXPRESS
March 17th, 2010
11:07 pm
BETTER GET ON BOARD THIS TRAIN, CUZ WE WANT TEAGUE OUTTA HERE!!
any things possible
March 17th, 2010
11:11 pm
We should have throw the ball into Horford’s man.
A. Bargnani C 37:43 8-14 2-4 4-6 -8 3 8 11 2 3 0 1 1 0 22
Defense!
March 17th, 2010
11:13 pm
.”Those big, high percentage buckets that Horford got fed inside probably would have been bricked jump shots attempted over a double team.”
A. Bargnani C 37:43 8-14 2-4 4-6 -8 3 8 11 2 3 0 1 1 0 22
Wabe
March 17th, 2010
11:19 pm
“Our best moves come when we pick up free agents or make a trade for proven talent”
That’s the problem. You have a team that’s thriving purely on raw talent + proven talent. There’s not much of an argument that one can make that would validate Woody’s ability to develop players. You said it yourself, our best moves come when we make trades for proven talent, because if it comes to developing talent, we’re in trouble.
UGA
March 17th, 2010
11:21 pm
2 Questions:
Who is the last GOOD team we have beaten?
Will Josh Smith ever stop shooting jump shots? Any time it goes up is classified as a turnover.
Taylor
March 17th, 2010
11:27 pm
Hawks beat the Bucks Feb 28th, but that’s not really fair considering the soft schedule
UGA
March 17th, 2010
11:28 pm
Kind of my point, the Bucks are just average. Well, we did win at UTAH, but Deron Williams did not play.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 17th, 2010
11:43 pm
Acie Law: 22 points, 3 assists, 3 rebounds, 7/8 shooting, 7/7 free throws.
This follows 18 points, 6/11 shooting, 5/6 free throws in his last game, against Memphis.
What a baller.
Playing time is the best deodorant.
Grandad
March 18th, 2010
12:13 am
Now that all yawl young ‘uns have had your fun.
I feel compelled to say 1 or 2 things here.
Marv played poorly tonight.
He got pushed on that rebound play.
However, he’s gotta be stronger and not let himself get displaced.
One man don’t lose a game / one man don’t win a game.
I’m guilty of blaming Wdsn for losses many times, myself.
Typically players win games and coaches lose ‘em. Right. Yeah.
By my count we shot 4 air balls in the last 8 min.
Our [5] man should have had the ball on every pos.
People say: “we needed Joe”, no, we needed to go to Al.[crunch time]
Last play: bad pass or miscommunication?
Jamal had to reach for the ball. (too far in front)
Bibby passed as if Jamal was gonna curl.
We let the lead slip away folks!
If Marv was costing us the game then blame Wdsn for having him in the game. Why was Marv in prime rebound pos. anyway.
Teague 8 min. ? Started last night?
Thats a good way to build the young man’s confidence, after a bad night last evening. Expect Teague’s confidence to drop a few more notches.
How many great pro’s did Bob Knight develop, especially guards?
Answer: 1 [one] ‘Isiah’. Long career to develop one player.
Parallel – I don’t know?
By the way: check the +/- on all the players tonight. Not just Marv.
Teague’s was low too. Yawl might be suprised.