Atlanta Hawks at Raptors: Woodson gives Bibby some needling

Toronto–Made it to Canada, where somehow it’s a nicer day than any I can remember in Atlanta for like the last week. (When I saw the border agents, for some reason all I could think about was: “She got a cousin at customs that get (stuff) through . . .”)

Chris Mannix of SI.com asked Woody if he’s concerned about Bibby’s problems with quick point guards as the Hawks head to the playoffs.

“You think Bibby has trouble with quick point guards,” Woody said, smiling. “I’m going to tell Bibby that. Maybe he better speed it up in the playoffs.”

Bibby and one of those quick point guards he has problems with. (Johnny Crawford, Jcrawford@ajc.com)

Bibby and one of those quick guards that can give him trouble. (Johnny Crawford, Jcrawford@ajc.com)

Chris Sheridan of ESPN.com got to Bibby before Woody could and relayed the exchange.

“You keep some things, some things you can’t,” Bibby said, and it looked like he would let it go and that would be it.

But after a bit he added: “I aint’ the only one who has trouble with quick point guards, I can tell you that.”

Bibby was offered the hand-check rule as an out but he wouldn’t take it.

“I’ve got other things to worry about,” he said.

My take: Bibby is Woody’s guy, and the coach knows Bibby gets motivated by talk about his decline. So Woody will use such slights to coax him.

When Woody met with Bibby a few weeks back, he told him he needed to be more aggressive offensively. He was back on that theme again last night.

“He’s passed up a lot of shots he should have taken this year,” Woody said, adding with a smile: “Maybe he’s saving it up.”

From what I’ve seen, Bibby is a prideful player who cares about winning. He’s a gamer, too, so it’s no surprise he was back in the lineup last night after sitting out practice on Monday.

Look for more of Woody’s sly needling of Bibby to get him fired up for the playoffs. Or maybe more of this will do the trick.

– Woody keeps insisting he’s not really looking at the playoffs picture beyond still trying to catch Magic from 3 games back with 16 to go: “We still have a legit shot to win the division”

His standard line about the postseason: “We’ll figure that part out when we get there.” I believe him.

He’s been getting questions about Milwaukee lately but he keeps deflecting them.

“It could be Milwaukee, Toronto, Charlotte, Miami,” Woody said. “Or if any of those teams fall back Chicago could slip in there. It’s not just Milwaukee we’ve got our eyes on. But I haven’t given much thought to the playoffs. We are focused on the regular season.”

– The Raptors have become the anti-Bucks. They are reeling, losers of five straight and nine of 10. Assuming the Bulls get healthy at some point and that avoiding D Wade still is a good idea no matter what he’s got around him, the Raptors might now be the team everyone wants to see in the first round.

Raps coach Jay Triano might replace Jarrett Jack with Jose Calderon in the starting lineup tonight. Not that the Raptors think that’s the ticket. Calderon in the Toronto Star:

“It doesn’t matter who starts, it doesn’t matter who plays more minutes, we’ve got to win games. We’re upset because we’re losing games. We’re not upset because I’m not playing or I’m not starting or something like that. Let’s keep things simple: We’ve got to win, and everything else doesn’t matter.”

Here was the part in that story that should make the Hawks’ eyes get big: “(The Raptors) once again are being hammered on the defensive glass – Golden State had 18 offensive rebounds and Portland 19 in Toronto’s past two losses – and their transition defence is lead-footed.”

– The Hawks might be for sale.

MC

565 comments Add your comment

lanier

March 17th, 2010
1:20 pm

if they dont like Jack send him home. we will take him

akoo

March 17th, 2010
1:21 pm

AtWork

March 17th, 2010
1:22 pm

I like to see Teague playing more…we are going to need him in the playoffs. Would like to see Joe Smith and another JC or RM get some more time before the playoffs. Hope the Hawks keep the wheels turning and get these wins that we SHOULD get.

Hope Joe heels** up nice in time for the playoffs. His absence will help chemistry and experience for others.

lanier

March 17th, 2010
1:27 pm

ILL-logical

March 17th, 2010
1:29 pm

Thank you for the brief recitations from the Book of Woodson; enlightenment shall surely follow.

Seriously, it appears that the excrement is about to hit the oscillating wind device in BASG land: To use Occams razor; the boys are broke!

Now we can see why the current head coach acts crazy sometimes, working for these people will make you crazy. Now the question(s) at hand is how can the hawks be saved from a bleak future? any thoughts?

MsDee

March 17th, 2010
1:38 pm

I dont care what no body says, when Teague played that game in LA against the Lakers, I would say that was his best NBA performance ever so far but Woody did not allow him no more game time for the next 3 or 4 games there after and that my friends/fans of the HAWKS was when Teague started to look the way he did last night..scared to make a mistake, nervous, timmed, ect.. Woodson had no right to not play him anymore. He did the same thing to Salim when he scored all but 20+ points in the 4th quarter alone..Salim saw no more day light after that. So all yall who keep saying, “Teague is no baller, Woodson knows what he is talking about cause of Salim, Acie, and Ivey, Teague doesnt have what it takes…,yall dont know what yall are talking about!!! Woodson just SUCKS when it comes to rookies PERIOD!!!!

MsDee

March 17th, 2010
1:39 pm

I bet if Teague would have been under Doc Rivers, NO ONE HERE COULD HONESTLY SAY THAT TEAGUE WOULD HAVE PLAYED LIKE IT DID LAST NIGHT!! Look at the ‘no respect’ talk Rondo got when he entered the NBA and look at him now. Mann,,I would luv to have Doc as a head coach!!

tjhook

March 17th, 2010
1:47 pm

MsDee, I’m co-signing on Teague’s play against the Lakers, he was ferocious against them in the second half (threw down an awesome dunk in transition -comparable to some of Smoove’s best work). He needs to be encouraged. Isn’t it interesting how Woody is so buddy with the veterans. He knows they are his key to survival. No new contract for this guy unless he brings in an offensive strategist. There has to be a teacher, X and O guy available. I like Eric Mussleman.

O'Brien

March 17th, 2010
2:08 pm

I would be surprised if the BASG try to sell the Hawks. I think they will look for another partner to replace Belkin and help share the cost burden. However, I think they will try and sell the Thrashers.

Props to Woody for not throwing Bibby under the bus. Instead, he is going to try and use it as motivation to push Bibby. Bibby and Marvin are the weak links in our starting lineup, so hopefully they will be able to turn it up a notch for the playoffs.

With Toronto struggling the way they are, I think the chances have significantly increased that Chris Bosh is leaving at the end of the season.

MsDee,

I think Woody’s inconsistency is a factor as to why Teague does not look more comfortable out there. He is so conscious of not making a mistake, that he is playing scared.

However, he still has things he needs to work on (like his jump shots and committing silly fouls), so hopefully he will continue to work on his game, make the most out of practice, and be ready whenever his number is called again.

Marcus

March 17th, 2010
2:38 pm

Interesting. MC, a before the trade deadline ESPN had a trade machine to work a deal to see if it passed the NBA trading regulations. I conjured up a 3-way between us Charlotte and Toronto. I will have to look it up when I get home, but it netted a theorhetical 3-game improvement based on stats.

northcyde

March 17th, 2010
2:41 pm

My comments didn’t take. Let’s see if I can fix that.

Astro Joe

March 17th, 2010
2:42 pm

MsDee, look at the Celtics’ record in Rondo’s rookie season.

northcyde

March 17th, 2010
2:42 pm

( part 1 )

MsDee . . . I could systematically break down Salim and Acie and Shelden, and flat out prove you wrong on that “they didn’t get a chance” here.

What happened, is that they couldn’t consistently get it done. That’s what happened to those guys. When people talk about Salim, you’re talking about arguably a guy that had one of the greatest shooting seasons a guard has ever had on the collegiate level. He hit 50% FG . . 50% 3FG . .and 90% FT his Senior year.

But on the pro level, he HAD to either be a “lights-out shooter” as an undersized 2 guard or develop adequate PG skills. While Salim had his moments, they were far and few between. I was a HUGE Salim guy. And in my opinion, Salim was a “baller”. But Salim was arguably better in his rookie year, than he was in year 2 and 3 with the Hawks. Remember, the only competition he had at PG, were guys like Lue, Ivey, and later on AJ. As heralded of a shooter Salim was coming out of college, he NEVER shot the ball better than Tyronn Lue while with the Hawks. That’s a fact.

Gilley

March 17th, 2010
2:44 pm

Bibby just needs to run the offense and get us in our sets and hit open shots for the next year or two until Teague takes over full-time.

northcyde

March 17th, 2010
2:44 pm

haha . . there’s something that’s not letting me post my comments about Acie. Let me see if I can find it.

Gilley

March 17th, 2010
2:47 pm

@Astro Joe look at how Rondo has been honed into an all-star and been the most consistent player despite 3 hall of famers on the roster. No excusing Woody when it comes to playing rooks. Hen is terrible unless he has no other choice (2004 Josh and Josh) Salim would have been a great scorer for us but he never got the chance. He didn’t get any other chances in the league either but he proved he can put up numbers with the Hawks. Scored 30 and sat the next game. SMH. Good deeds are not rewarded I guess.

Mel

March 17th, 2010
2:48 pm

Yeah, there should be no reason he only played 6 minutes in the first half against the NETS. This is the type of game Woody should let him run loose.

northcyde

March 17th, 2010
2:49 pm

lol . still can’t post it. Let me see if I can post it a little bit at a time then.

ant banks

March 17th, 2010
2:54 pm

the 3 yrs that i have been comin’ to this blogs has shown me that a majority of the people don’t know what in the h-e-l-l they are talkin’ about.

1.you wanted ac law to get more time. HE WAS GARBAGE.
2.you wanted to trade josh. HE IS OUR BEST PLAYER.
3.you wanted teague to start. HE AIN’T READY.
4.you say horford ain’t a center. HE WENT TO THE ALLSTAR IN HIS 3RD YR.
5.you wanted woody fired. WHY? HE HAS IMPROVED THE WINS/LOSS FOR 6YRS.

SHUT THE EFF UP AND LET WOODY AND SUND DO THEIR JOB!!

Y’ALL KEEP THE DRIVE-THRU LINE MOVIN’. LOL.

MsDee

March 17th, 2010
2:54 pm

O’Brien,

I truly understand that Teague has things he needs to work on, but isnt that for any of the players on the team? Everyone can improve on some part of their game. The point I was making is that when Teague plays well, esp after that Lakers game, who is to say Teague would not be much much better that Bibby at this point since that game??

I agree with TJHOOK, I believe Woody is bubby buddy with his veterans and he refuses to allow a rookie to out shine any of them. The same with Salim. He was a pure shooter, that’s it. Woody could have used him to score like Doc Rivers allowed Eddie House to do. But again, Woody wanted JJ to have all the shine instead of Salim. That’s why it kills me when folks say Woody must knew what he was doing with those other guys cause they are ‘no bodies’ right now. Its only because Woody killed any and all confidence in those young rookies. Remember, rookies to me are like babies, you dont stomp their growth for if you do, how do u expect them to achieve in this world?? I believe Acie & Salim’s growth were stomped by Woodson and they never acheived because both of those guys look TOTALLY different in college than they did in the NBA and I’m not talking about college compared to NBA but there confidence were not the same as it was even in the beginning of the season.

northcyde

March 17th, 2010
2:55 pm

( ok . . let me skip Acie’s praise as a college player, and see if my pro analysis of him posts: )

Acie gets to the Hawks, and he immediately has a chance to become the Hawks starting PG right off the bat. Woody’s plan for Acie was to play him as a part of the Hawks “3 headed monster” at PG . . with Law, Lue, and AJ pretty much getting equal time.

And Woody DID START LAW, I believe, after the 4th or 5th game. Remember when Law had that good game in which he had 7 assists in the 1st half at Charlotte? In the 3rd quarter, someone fell on him and knocked him out of action for a month.

He gets back, and although he’d lost his starting job to AJ, he was still getting around 15 – 20 minutes a game. But it seemed that after that injury, Acie couldn’t hit a midrange jumpshot OR a lay-up in traffic to save his life ( sound familiar? ).

Both AJ and Lue were regressing as PGs, but I be dang if Acie wasn’t regressing right along with them, with his inability to hit shots, or play solid defense, and with those maddening offensive fouls that he used to draw. Law shot 33% on his jumpshot that year and had the worst +/- number on the team.

The following year, like Salim, you could say that Law arguably REGRESSED as a player. No improvement on his jumpshot. He finished at the rim a little better. Not any better defensively. And this is with the backup PG there for the taking for him. But he let Flip come right in and take his spot. I seriously doubt that Flip was in the plans for Woody to play major minutes. Flip was no more than a roster filler. But he came right in and flat out TOOK Acie’s spot.

True “ballers” don’t let that happen.

northcyde

March 17th, 2010
2:57 pm

The fact is that all of those guys had golden opportunities to be either starters, or main rotation guys. It wasn’t Woody that kept them from reaching that next level. It was they themselves that kept them from reaching that next level. If you can’t step on the court, and do what you’re supposed to do as a player, then you’re not going to play.

And if you always have to play with the starting lineup for you to play well, that’s a HUGE red flag in this league.

You want to see Teague’s “red flags”?

According to 82games.com . . . he shoots 30.5% eFG on his jumpshot. I would bet that if I were to go through every PG in the league, that the percentage Teague shoots on his jumper would either be DEAD LAST or right or in the bottom 10 of ALL PGs in the league.

Also according to 82games.com . . . he shoots 49%FG on his close shots. That actually is a great improvement over what he was shooting back in January, when that percentage was around 43% FG. So it’s nice to see him convert lay-ups a little better these days.

As a passer, I have no complaints from the guy. He can pass the basketball pretty good. He makes good plays as an assist guy. As a defender, he plays decent “on the ball” defense, but still gets lost when his man doesn’t have the ball, and may have to guard an area. Teague definitely tries hard, and he does hustle. People can’t deny that. Some of the blocks he’s gotten this year have been spectacular. But we’re talking about a PG here. I’d much rather for my PG to be able to hit a 20 foot jumper, than to be able to block a shot here and there.

The bottom line about Teague . . . is that it may be Teague’s lack of ability as a player, that’s holding him back, not the lack of minutes. And if he wants minutes, he has to go out and take those minutes. The kid has to prove that he can ball on a consistent basis. He has to be able to do at least one thing in this league VERY WELL, to justify him having a decent career in the NBA. If he doesn’t establish that, he’ll be a memory by 2012.

Grandad

March 17th, 2010
2:57 pm

Dang ILL-logical:
You broke out occam’s razor!
Impressive!

MsDee

March 17th, 2010
3:02 pm

northcyde,

No matter what you say, Woodson does not have the patience to help rookies. Look what he did to Boris Diaw. He never had the patience to use him properly but the Suns did.

Grandad

March 17th, 2010
3:03 pm

Occam’s razor – capital ‘O’. Dad gum sticky shift key.

northcyde

March 17th, 2010
3:11 pm

I believe Big Ray or Sautee asked was Marvin a baller?

My answer to that is NO . . . and I hate to say that about the kid. But I have to answer NO.

I say that because he’s way too content to play his role, instead of striving to do more. Even if he doesn’t get touches in the half court offense, he could at least be a better rebounder. He definitely helps the team on the defensive end, but it seems as if Marvin is content to be what he is . . a complimentary/glue guy. There’s nothing wrong with that. But “ballers” don’t settle for that status.

Also, the fact that this guys mid-range jumper has seem to completely left him, disappoints the hell out of me. That was the strength of his game. The one thing that he could always fall back on, when things wasn’t going right. Now, as an offensive player, he’s struggling to find what he does best again.

So when I hear Teague talk about being “scared” or worrying about people saying “look at that awful rookie”, that tells me that he knows that he’s not playing well as a player ( or as well as he’d like to play ).

I’m sorry folks. But I believe HawksFan in the other thread broke it down exactly right. To be a good PG in this league, you have to be able to

1) create AND make your own shot

2) create for others to get them good looks

3 ) have unquestionable leadership qualities so that your teammates will trust your decision making

The true leaders in this league have no problem whatsoever assuming a leadership role, regardless of age. Teague may indeed get there one day. Hopefully it’s next year. But for all you people who want to see that happen in the next 5 weeks before the playoffs, I seriously doubt it will happen.

Woody is not going to allow him to play less than mediocre at the expense of the team. And he’s right in doing so. Blindly blaming the coach, when a guy has OBVIOUS deficiencies as a player, just isn’t fair to the coach or the player. It places unfair blame on the coach, and gives the player a complete pass to strive to get better.

So when I see Salim out of the league, and Acie with his 3rd team just this year alone, that tells me that Woody’s assessment of these players were dead on the money.

MsDee

March 17th, 2010
3:17 pm

northcyde,

WOW, are you serious?? Ok, first of all, coach Woodson always allows the new guys to play the preseason games. Acie played STELLAR in all those games. Yes, I know preseason is not the same as regular season but what I am pointing out is again his confidence, his floor leadership, the respect he wanted and tried to get from the other players while being the PG leader on the floor. He had what it took to be that NEXT PG for us, but once the season started, LAW got no playing time..not one in the early start of the season. If he made a mistake, OMG, Woodson would bite his head off. Anything Law did good, it was over looked by his bad. And again, when rookies are treated this way, esp after getting much praise in his playing during the preseason, how do you expect them to perform afterward? Right, they start to play passive, nervous, and so on. Oh and dont YOU remember when Woodson yell out at Law when, of course he made a mistake in the game, he was caught of camara saying, “that’s why I dont ever play you”. Law was sent to the bench never again to be seen.

I see Teague heading the same way due to Woody bubby friendship with his vet’s.

theZaZaguy

March 17th, 2010
3:19 pm

I think Woody is doing a lot more for Teague than meets the eye. When Law and Lue were competing, we were a much lesser team. We weren’t 8 deep like we are now. No Jamal, No Bibby, No Murray. We had to play Law because we had no better option. Today, despite playing behind Jamal and Bibby, Teague is getting his chances. And he is being rewarded for his effort at practice. Is Woody doing it perfectly? Maybe not, but I don’t think one could seriously argue that Teague is not able to grow.

A pefect example of this was when they cut to Woody after a Teague mistake. The look on his face said it all. It was “I want to yank him and tear him a new one, but it’ll be better if I keep my mouth shut and and let him play.”

Section 303

March 17th, 2010
3:23 pm

northcyde, be careful. Some on here are still convinced that Salim is an All Star waiting to happen. Thought I had seen the last of that name…guess not.

I think Bibby and Woodson have a pretty cool relationship. Bibby seems like a great guy to have on any team. He’s tough, been through the wars, and can hit shots. He just can’t handle super fast PG’s, but, like he said, he is not alone.

The last two games have gotten me away from the ledge I was about to jump off from. Tonight’s game would be a bonus win. Tough to win two back-to-back road games without Joe playing.

northcyde

March 17th, 2010
3:23 pm

MsDee . . . see . . . I was about to mention Diaw, but erased it. But since you brought him up too . . I can prove you wrong on that point as well.

Woody almost pleaded with Diaw to be a more aggressive offensive player. Diaw started 25 games as a member of the Hawks under Woody.

He averaged 18 minutes a game in his 2nd year. Woody played Diaw at 3 positions in his rooke year, mainly at SG . . but he even played him at PG and SF. With Childress and Smoove as rookies, all three of those guys were pretty much used as interchangeable parts by Woody at the SG and SF positions. At that time, Al Harrington was the star forward.

If you want to blame Woody for not being a mad scientist, and not playing a “soft” Boris Diaw at Center, like D’Antoni did at Phoenix, then go right ahead. And D’Antoni did that out of desperation himself, because Amare got hurt, and they didn’t even have a decent backup center. So D’Antoni gambled, and played Diaw at center. It turned out to be a brilliant move for a team that already played uptempo basketball.

He got Diaw to basically take slow centers off the dribble ( ala what Josh Smith does to PFs ), and turned him into a viable offensive threat. But no other coach in the league would’ve dreamed of putting a guy like Diaw ( who had PG handles and passing ability ) as a point center.

But Diaw got his shot too. He even had one year over Smoove and Chill . . . but he didn’t get it done either.

Diaw is the ONLY HAWK that has gone elsewhere, and thrived outside of Woody.

So if you want to say that Woody missed on Diaw . . . but was dead right about Acie, Shelden, and Salim . . . go right ahead.

MsDee

March 17th, 2010
3:27 pm

northcyde,

Ok you say, “To be a good PG in this league, you have to be able to

1) create AND make your own shot

2) create for others to get them good looks

3 ) have unquestionable leadership qualities so that your teammates will trust your decision making”

I agree. This is true but only for 2 reasons..1) if you are aready a vet PG in this league and 2) confidence is handed to you on a silver platter like Stephen Curry is getting from his coach. As great of a shooter Curry is, if he would have missed his 1st 2 shots in a row with us, he too would have been buried on the bench..TRUST ME!! Curry has all 3 points you made going for him, but again if he would have been with us, you would not see the player you see now in Curry!!

northcyde

March 17th, 2010
3:28 pm

Section 303 . . . man . . . I loved Salim’s tenacity as a player and his mentality. The funny thing about Salim, is that before this season, he and Jamal Crawford had comparable PER 36 numbers. They both were essentially high-scoring, but highly inefficient guards.

The diffference . . Crawford was 6-5 and could get away with it, because he could handle the basketball and pass it. Salim was 6-0 and couldn’t, because he couldn’t pass as well as Crawford and had big time trouble handling the basketball.

I had to realize that Salim’s strengths as a player, never could override his weaknesses. We needed that dude to be Eddie House here, even if he couldn’t play the point. But he couldn’t even be Eddie House.

Marcus

March 17th, 2010
3:29 pm

Question: Was part of starting Bibby at the SG last nite (vs. Crawford) in part an effort by Woody’s to get him more aggressive on offense (by taking shots JJ would otherwise take), also coupled with other factors such as liking Crawford off the bench (not wanting to mess up his flow) and knowing that Teague might be gun-shy and still needed a steadying, veteran PG presence on the floor?

Tim Tebow's Tears

March 17th, 2010
3:29 pm

Jarrett Jack is the man

O'Brien

March 17th, 2010
3:30 pm

northcyde,

I was the one who asked about if Marvin was a baller. I dont think he is either. However, I think Teague has the potential to be a baller. He just needs to keep working on his game, but I like his mentality more than I like Marvin’s.

In 3 seasons with us, Salim’s average was 17 mpg, 8ppg, .41% FG, .37% 3P, .88%FT. Those numbers are not that bad. But he needed to work on his defense, and he took bad shots.

I used to think if utilized correctly, Salim had the potential to be a poor man’s Eddie House. But he wasn’t able to do the things that Woody wanted him to do, and he never took that next step.

Acie had his moments, but his play was inconsistent (especially after his injury).

I don’t think Woody did much to help develop these guys or bring them along correctly, but Woody is not the main reason why they didn’t cut. A HUGE part of the blame falls on the players.

northcyde

March 17th, 2010
3:34 pm

MsDee . . . you’re just drinking that “Woody hates young guards” kool aid.

Steph Curry is a BALLER. Curry can miss 2 shots, then hit 5 in a row and dish out 4 assists in the process . . while being active on the defensive end. Don’t you dare compare a baller like Curry to any of the guards the Hawks have brought in here the past 6 years.

We would be a VERY dangerous team with a guy like Curry. Because unlike Acie and Teague, Curry could play off the ball even in an ISO-JJ offense, and knock down 3s like Bibby. But unlike Bibby, he could fake that 3, and take it all the way to the rim or drive and throw a smooth pass to Smoove or Horford for a dunk. Curry, may be a borderline superstar, if they can get rid of Ellis and get a bigger 2 guard to play with him.

Our guards simply have to prove that they can ball. It’s as simple as that. Blaming the coach or Mark Price or whomever for their lack of development, isn’t going to change the fact that the guards we’ve had here since the departure of Jason Terry, simply couldn’t ball on a game by game basis. Tyronn Lue is sitll the best offensive PG we’ve had here since JT. And that’s a damn shame.

northcyde

March 17th, 2010
3:36 pm

Right O’Brien . . it was you. My bad.

northcyde

March 17th, 2010
3:38 pm

Let me stop. Because I’m going to be labeled as a Teague-hater for simply telling the truth about the kid. I hope he goes 5 -7 FG and dishes out 5 assists tonight, so that people can come back at me. I don’t wish failure on Teague. But I’m not going to make the same mistake I did with Acie and Salim. I can only judge those guys by what I see on the court . . not by what I “wish” they could become. That’s the policy I’m taking with Teague.

Michael Cunningham

March 17th, 2010
3:38 pm

@Marcus (if I say “she looks like one of Marcus’s girls” do you know what I’m talking about?)

“Was part of starting Bibby at the SG last nite (vs. Crawford) in part an effort by Woody’s to get him more aggressive on offense (by taking shots JJ would otherwise take), also coupled with other factors such as liking Crawford off the bench (not wanting to mess up his flow) and knowing that Teague might be gun-shy and still needed a steadying, veteran PG presence on the floor?”

yes to No. 1 (Bibby shots) and No. 2 (Crawford off bench), according to Woody. hadn’t considered No. 3 but maybe that’s part of it too.

MsDee

March 17th, 2010
3:41 pm

northcyde,

Maybe you are Woodson in disguise cause he can do no wrong in your eyes, but I will 4ever say Woodson suck when it comes to rookies, sub assignments, switching defense decisions, no offensive plays but IOS JJ, all the above and below (for that matter). Woodson has done nothing to improve this team, the team improve themselves by staying together and building chemistry.

Also, the game last night was rather entertaining to me without JJ. The ball constantly moved and Jamal did a great job at scoring quickly, while still being able to get other involved. I like it esp when Jamal had a wide open 3pt jumper on the corner, but decided to pass it to Josh who passed it to Al for a lay-up!! Gotta luv it!!

Michael Cunningham

March 17th, 2010
3:41 pm

@ northcyde: you know it’s getting crazy when the handling of Teague and Curry are being compared. If Woody had Curry and didn’t play him he should be fired immediately (but I know that he would because of the way he was gushing over Curry when we were in Oaktown). i like Teague’s potential but come on.

northcyde

March 17th, 2010
3:42 pm

MsDee . . . give Woody a grade for his coaching so far this season. What letter grade would you give Woody?

Michael Cunningham

March 17th, 2010
3:43 pm

@ MsDee: “I like it esp when Jamal had a wide open 3pt jumper on the corner, but decided to pass it to Josh who passed it to Al for a lay-up!! Gotta luv it!!”

that was a great play. if the Hawks played like that on even 60 percent of possessions they would be even tougher to stop.

newkid

March 17th, 2010
3:44 pm

OT: While we’re beating up on the competition this year and next (and hopefully winning a Larry O’Brien in the process), let’s put ourselves in position to take a run after the 6′11″ SF with point guard skills from some high school in Texas. His name is Perry ’something or other’; kid has two surnames I think. Likely a ‘one-and-done’ player. Could be our future at the 3-hole, but we’ll need to get a ‘11 lst in a SNT for JJ (hopefully with a team like the Nets) with a team that’s lottery bound during the 10/11 campaign.

@MC: Did Belkin belly-up to the bar a few weeks back, or not? Haven’t seen a follow-up by the AJC.

Marcus

March 17th, 2010
3:49 pm

@MC
you droppin’ a ‘Boomerang’ reference?!?!? …. LOL. Next thing you know .. you will be tellin’ us that some of the Hawks traveling day outfits are “…coordinated …” with paisley and mushroom designs inside the jacket lining and a matching vest.

Astro Joe

March 17th, 2010
3:51 pm

Gilley and OB, Salim got a goodly amount of PT in his rookie season, stil good in his 3rd season, but he regressed in his 3rd (and last). Anyone criticizing Salim’s utilization in his rookie season isn’t looking at the facts.

Marcus

March 17th, 2010
3:53 pm

MC,
I know you are on the Hawks beat, but are you gonna catch the 1st couple of rounds of March Madness … even if to scout the Hawks next draft choice :) ?

I like Mississippi State PF/C James Varnardo (sp?). Not 100% sure if he is what we need … but his defense could add another stopper.

Marcus

March 17th, 2010
3:55 pm

I also like Lawal (GT) and Alabi (FL State), both of whom would seem to add more D and rebounding.
If JJ leaves that changes things slightly, but with Crawford and maybe Teague, that lessens the need (hopefully) to draft a SG.

Nate ArchiBALL

March 17th, 2010
3:56 pm

Occams razor – wow. ILL-logical – I want you to know that my Philosphy Professor during my college days at Morehouse just turned over in his grave.

northcyde

March 17th, 2010
3:56 pm

I agree Mr. C

If Woody left a talent like Steph Curry rotting on the bench, you immediately fire him. No way in the world that would’ve happened.

And that’s another attribute of being a “baller”. Ballers aren’t afraid to fail. There is absolutely no fear in Steph Curry ( or Monta ) for that matter.

The crazy thing about Monta, is that we could’ve easily had him, instead of Salim. Billy Knight was seriously thinking about picking Monta ( the slasher – more athletic – penetrating guard ), instead of Salim ( the All-American – pure shooter – highly competitive ) guard.

Monta was bigger and faster, with less of a jumpshot than Salim. But I be dang if Monta turned out to be the better player, because of his ability to get to the rim and score, while Salim’s jumper was schizophrenic.

That’s why people give props to Billy Knight, but cuss that dude out at the same time. We’ve passed on Chris Paul, Deron Williams, and Monta Ellis . . . lol . . . and Brandon Roy.

A lot of other teams did too. But it really sticks out to us, because we always needed a PG or another 2nd level scorer/shot creator beside JJ.

That’s why the Bibby trade 2 years ago was huge, and the Crawford acquisition this year was even bigger. Those moves lessened the blow of not having any of those other guys here.