Atlanta Hawks at Nets: The Rook’ (Jeff Teague) gets his shot (updated)
Woody will watch and see if Teague can D up guys better than Frank Robinson. (Curtis Compton/ccompton@ajc.com)
Secaucus, N.J.–Joe Johnson is out tonight. He’s not going to play tomorrow at Toronto, either, and Woody said J.J.’s status is up in the air for Friday’s game against Charlotte at Philips Arena.
The Hawks say J.J. has a strained Achilles’ tendon.
“He’s day-to-day,” Woody said.
Bibby’s back is better and he will start tonight. In a surprise move, Woody plans to go with My Blog People MVP Jeff Teague at point guard and Bibby at shooting guard instead of using Mo Evans to replace Johnson.
It’s Teague’s first start.
“We’ll give it a shot,” Woody said, adding with a smile: “I can always sub early.”
“(Teague) has played with different combinations,” Woody said. “This is no different. He will do what he does best: push the ball, defend, get people involved.”
Teague, low key as always, said he’s ready.
“I’ve been playing basketball my whole life, and I’ve usually started,” he said. “It will be the same as coming off the bench.”
Woody said he made the move because he wants Teague’s quickness against Nets guard Devin Harris. Harris might miss the game due to illness but presumably Woody would stick with Teague either way.
(Edit: Harris is out with an upper respiratory infection, but Woody said he probably would stick with Teague: “We drafted him for the future, and I’ve got to develop him if I’m here as coach (next year). I think he’s gotten a little bit better but we haven’t seen enough of him. I think I’ll still keep him in there.”)
“He’s quick, so you have to try to keep him out of the lane,” Teague said of Harris. “He can score; we all know that. I’m not going to say I’m going to lock him down or anything like that. I just want to try and contain him.”
The Hawks will be much smaller in the backcourt without J.J. (6-7). Teague and Bibby are both listed at 6-2. Harris is 6-3 and Nets shooting guard Courtney Lee (a ‘Naptown Pike High product like Teague) is 6-5. The Nets can also bring 6-7 Chris Douglas-Roberts and 6-6 rookie Terrence Williams (Go Cards) off the bench at guard.
Teague, the 19th overall pick out of Wake Forest, said he’s matured through the season.
“Most definitely,” he said. “At the beginning of the season I wasn’t comfortable. I was nervous and didn’t want to mess up. I’ve gotten more familiar with the coaches and they’ve gotten more familiar with me.”
I’m not sure if anyone around here has noticed, but Teague’s minutes have been up and down this season.
“Give the rook’ (credit),” Woody said, referring to Teague by the name he almost always uses to address him. “He played well in the exhibitions. It’s not like we forgot about him. We’ll give him a shot.”
– Does this game worry you at all? Hawks TV voice Bob Rathbun notes that strange things happen when the Hawks play here. They’ve lost their last five at the arena with its latest name as the Izod Center but that still is dark, dank and–after the circus just left town–stank.
“Interesting venue,” Teague said. “Older than I expected.”
The Nets are set to move to the Prudential Center in Newark next season. Coincidentally, Woody played for the Nets when they opened what was then called Brendan Byrne Arena in 1981. Larry Brown was the coach.
This Nets team is worst than any of those that beat the Hawks the last five times here. They are threatening to be historically bad, on pace to tie the 1972-73 76ers for worst record in league history at 9-73.
Obviously the Nets want no part of that, so maybe that helps to explain why they showed signs of life in recent road losses to Memphis, Dallas, Oklahoma City and Houston.
“They are playing harder,” Woody said. “In their last outing (at Houston) they were very competitive and I don’t expect anything different tonight.”
Clearly missing Harris would be a major blow to New Jersey’s efforts to beat the Hawks. But, as Rathbun says, strange things happen to the Hawks in Jersey.
– Talk amongst yourselves, Hawks fans.
MC
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me
March 16th, 2010
2:07 pm
lets go rook
O'Brien
March 16th, 2010
2:09 pm
“This is no different. He will do what he does best: push the ball, defend, get people involved.”
With comments like those from Woody, I’m surprised Teague hasnt gotten more PT.
I dont like having Teague and Bibby in the game together.
jon
March 16th, 2010
2:09 pm
okay, lets get Jeff going! He may helpful on the defensive side of the ball come playoff time. It must kill woody to play him, he hates playing rookies. Go get em JEFF!
O'Brien
March 16th, 2010
2:13 pm
I dont like having Teague and Bibby in the game together, but I understand Woody wants to have Mo to backup Marvin.
Why not just start Mo and Teague, bring Crawford off the bench, and split the backup SF minutes between Josh and Mo?
It will be interesting to see how the team responds without JJ. Hopefully Marvin can pick up some of the slack since Joe is out (similar to what Marvin did when Joe was out a couple games last season).
O'Brien
March 16th, 2010
2:21 pm
Woody said he made the move because he wants Teague’s quickness against Nets guard Devin Harris.
So how many (quick) PGs have we been burned by (while Teague sat listlessly on the bench), and now Woody decides that he wants Teague’s quickness in there?
Come on Woody, you’re late. Plus Devin Harris might not even play tonight, because he’s injured.
terrell
March 16th, 2010
2:27 pm
Woody wants Teagues quickness against Harris? Wtf! What about against all the other fast pg’s that killed us? I guess it took him 64 games to finally figure that one out??????
terrell
March 16th, 2010
2:33 pm
That’s great Woody. Play Teague with the STARTING PG, so you can say you gave Teague his chance. Whatever!
JIMBO
March 16th, 2010
2:42 pm
This is great. I want Teague to get minutes – he’s a talented guy and must be given oppportunities to be the Hawks PG of the future. Also great to see Joe Johnson getting some rest even if it b/c of injuries.
GO HAWKS!
Section 303
March 16th, 2010
2:49 pm
Well, some of you are getting your wish. Teague will get a shot. Have to admit, I’m anxious to see how these next two-three games go. Without Joe, team has a whole new face.
Expecting Crawford to get mega-minutes this week.
Hardy "Flippin" Har
March 16th, 2010
2:50 pm
Good. Hope he lights it up with 15 points and 15 assists.
Trainwreck
March 16th, 2010
2:54 pm
I’m very interested to see how this will go down. People put a little too much stock in starting games anyway. Like Woody said, he can sub early… I want to see how many mins Teague gets throughout the game. Or will it just be Bibby and Crawford down the stretch… well we know it will at least be Crawford.
Corey
March 16th, 2010
3:04 pm
I’m actually excited to see how this games goes. This could very well be like next year, as if Joe plans to leave Atlanta. This will be a good look to see how we do with out JJ. I plan on seeing Josh Smith with a lot of points, along with Crawford & Al.
Nite Owl
March 16th, 2010
3:10 pm
Give Teague the keys and give him big minutes. Let him work through any mistakes. He’ll get the job done.
Nice preview of next year without JJ, except I’d like to start Jamal and bring Bibby off the bench as a sniper.
By the way, did Mo run over Woody’s dog or something?
osama
March 16th, 2010
3:12 pm
It shood hav bin Teague & Mo starting in the front court. Let Bibby take Teague’s place on the bench. Hopefully, Teague will put Woody in a compromising situation & hav to reevaluate his stance on ‘rooks’.
The Truth
March 16th, 2010
3:22 pm
I could easily found fault in Woody’s decision to deal Teague a hand with Bibby being the SG. Defensively, this could be a recipe for disaster. It has the makings for a confidence set-up for Teague as well if things don’t go as plan. However, (quoting Woody: “When opportunity knocks, you got to be ready”) as a rookie who’s been starving for minutes, you must take whatever you can get and make the best it. I hope he has thick skin if this all blow-up in an unfavorable way.
tyger
March 16th, 2010
3:34 pm
Falcoons Easy Button 1.0
1.19 Golden Tate, WR, ND
3.81 John Jerry, OL, Ole Miss
3.97 Jimmy Graham, TE, Mia
4. 115 Brandon Lang, DE/OLB, Troy
5. 130 Greg Hardy, DE, Ole Miss
5. 161 Danario Alexander, WR, Mizz
6. 163 Myron Lewis, CB, Vandy
6. 179 Clifton Geathers, DE, SC
Benjamin
March 16th, 2010
4:06 pm
Wow… what a strange decision…
Jam should be starting tonight. No question about it.
cp
March 16th, 2010
4:17 pm
lol@Woodrows comment about using Teague to guard against a quick pg. I guess that thought hadn’t entered his mind any other time during the season…Hopefully he lets the kid play through his mistakes. I think he gets around 10 to 12 points and 6 dimes with around 2 steals.
jean
March 16th, 2010
4:19 pm
crawford will never score 50 as long as this retart is the coachstart bibby n teague is a joke
O'Brien
March 16th, 2010
4:29 pm
Starting Teague and Bibby together makes no sense to me. (And just because I said that, look for Teague and Bibby to dominate lol).
Tealicious
March 16th, 2010
4:33 pm
Time to crank this thing all the way up!
i_am_soulstar
March 16th, 2010
4:41 pm
Go get ‘em Teague!!!!! I predict 40 minutes for Crawford tonight.
MsDee
March 16th, 2010
4:42 pm
Is it me or do Woody still dont have confidence in Teague? I mean he says “We’ll give it a shot,” Woody said, adding with a smile: “I can always sub early.” What kind of comment to say after saying you will give him a try by starting??
I wonder was Woodson treated the same way when he was a rookie? Did he not get respected by his coach, did his coach kill any and all confidence he had b4 entering the NBA, did he get buried on the bench too, did his coach killed any chance of him getting any rookie acolades??? If the answer is YES to all 4 questions, I see now why he treat rookies the way he does..that’s how he was taught.
i_am_soulstar
March 16th, 2010
4:46 pm
Crawford should be starting tonight, get a comfy lead, then let him go for 50
Westurd
March 16th, 2010
4:56 pm
oh boy……..Teague and Bibby? Lets see “Cheese Burger” Collins get some burn…….mmmmmm cheese burger
Michael Cunningham
March 16th, 2010
4:56 pm
@ Section 303: Woody was looking out on the court at shootaround today, turns to us media types and says: “man, it sure does look different without Joe out there, doesn’t it?” and it really was strange to see because when is he not out there?
@ O’Brien: it certainly surprised me. it will be interesting to see if Woody sticks with it if Harris is out.
@ MsDee: remember, Woody comes from the Larry Brown tree and Brown is notoriously tough on rookie PGs.
Rod from College Park
March 16th, 2010
4:57 pm
Great job Woody. Let Bibby play shooting guard so he will have to guard guys much bigger than him. Makes a lot of sense. Maybe he’s trying to set Teague up for failure. What is with this organization and this starting lineup crap. Your best players should start period. Jamal should be starting, he is our second or third best player. When we had Chills, he should have been starting over Marvin. You can’t name many teams in history other than San Antonio (Ginobilli) and Dallas (Terry), who don’t start their best players.
Maxx
March 16th, 2010
4:58 pm
Bibby at the 2? What is Woody smoking?
Big Ray
March 16th, 2010
5:09 pm
“(Teague) has played with different combinations,” Woody said. “This is no different. He will do what he does best: push the ball, defend, get people involved.”
Woody said he made the move because he wants Teague’s quickness against Nets guard Devin Harris.
There goes Woody again, supporting one of his players and saying that the young man has some skills, and can play. But we all know that he doesn’t mean a word of it. He’s just being politically correct for the sake of the media. In truth, he privately tells Sund and the owners that Teague sucks and he wishes they hadn’t picked him.
Right, TS ?
Man please.
Another shout out by Woody for his rookie. Woody likes the kid, and he wants to bring him along slowly. Teague doesn’t have a great jumper coming into the league, but he’ll learn and do better if he works hard enough. In the meantime, he’ll do what Woody says he does. Defend, push the ball, get people involved.
I hope he does well tonight, and earns every minute that he plays. Woody is giving him a vote of confidence, while knowing that the learning ladder has twisted and difficult rungs. Hopefully, Teague will back that vote of confidence with a good game. Lord knows many people will be looking for him to fail, all for the purpose of winning arguments that don’t even matter, or just a chance to bash the kid while supporting the coach.
I hope the kid does fine. But in the end, I hope the Hawks win, more than anything else.
Astro Joe
March 16th, 2010
5:10 pm
Sounds like Woody is trying to get Bibby some freedom to shoot and work on his stroke. I don’t know why y’all worry about who starts… starting and playing time are two different things.
Big Ray
March 16th, 2010
5:10 pm
But I have to say that I’m a tad confused by Woody when it comes to starting Bibby at the 2. What exactly is he wanting/expecting Bibby to do?
Well, he did say he could always sub early. Hello, Jamal…..
Big Ray
March 16th, 2010
5:12 pm
Astro Joe,
Sounds like a plan, but I hope he also plans to run screens for him. Bibby will be up against larger players like Courtney Lee (6′7″, I think). He could have a bit of trouble getting his shot off.
The Truth
March 16th, 2010
5:31 pm
I’m still scratching my head with this one; Bibby as the starting SG. I mean, can Bibby really create his own shot? If Bibby isn’t spotting-up and wide open for a jumper or coming off of a screen, he is useless as a SG on offense. (And) We all know about his sub-par defense. Is this the best Woody can come up with? Now that I think of it, I guess so. This strange line-up is the results of a weak bench acquisition beyond Crawford (but I won’t go there). Now we might pay the price. Also, according to this article, JJ injury could last much longer than a few days. In fact, it could completely alter the remaining regular season minutes for JJ and the playoff strategy. With this scenario based on our current schedule, it could dash any hope of capturing the 3rd seed and force us to just hang-on to the 4th seed (which isn’t a guarantee).
Melvin
March 16th, 2010
5:36 pm
I hope we won’t see Teague get the Royal Ivey treatment. Play the first three mins of the 1st and 3rd qtr.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 16th, 2010
5:40 pm
Yeah, count me among those who doesn’t mind seeing Bibby start at the 2. Lee is 6′5″ and isn’t the guy who takes people off the dribble on that team (that would be Harris). I don’t think the Hawks lose a whole lot in this game defensively by starting Bibby at the 2 as opposed to Crawford.
O'Brien
March 16th, 2010
5:48 pm
Ray,
Courtney Lee is actually 6-5, but regardless, Bibby is only 6-2.
Game 66 is when Woody decides to go with Teague because of Devin’s quickness. I hope that means Teague has finally earned more consistent PT (because the Hawks have gotten burned by quicker PGs all year).
Astro
I hope the Hawks play inside out, especially with JJ out. That should help Bibby get some easy looks.
I just hope having Teague and Bibby on the court at the start of the game does not put the Hawks in a deep hole.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 16th, 2010
5:50 pm
Also, if Crawford starts, he will be dominating the ball on offense. For those of us who want to see Teague handle the ball and push the tempo, the chances of that happening with Crawford on the floor are much lower than with Bibby.
Fundamentals
March 16th, 2010
5:53 pm
We need to let Bibby & Joe rest. Give Teague, Mo, Crawford and Mario full run for 3 games. Live with the results. Getting Bibby and Joe 100% is crutial this time of year. We can’t risk pushing them back too soon. The 4 listed above can handle the competition. We’ll just need top play from the frontcourt. Should be fun to watch…if Woodson has the guts to let it play out. Crucial minutes at a crucial time for very important role players. Let them fill their role! Time is now!
Rod from College Park
March 16th, 2010
5:56 pm
Najeh Davenpoop,
Courtney Lee actually does take people of the dribble. With Bibby checking him, that should not be too difficult. He also is a pretty solid defender.
MannyT
March 16th, 2010
5:56 pm
I suspect that Jamal will still get the bulk of the minutes in the back court. Woody is simply allowing him to maintain some of his routine by leaving him as 6th man. Besides, if Jamal does start, you expect very little offensive impact from the bench.
Better to give Teague a try against the Nets than a good team…low risk, wise move.
BWAF
The Truth
March 16th, 2010
6:13 pm
Woody should have started Mo Evans as SG and use Joe Smith to back-up Marvin; then used Zaza to split time with Collins to backup Al Horford at center. That would mean Zaza also backs up Josh at PF.
nunna yo biznezz
March 16th, 2010
6:15 pm
ok..this should be the time that not only does mo and teague gets minutes,but,we should play both bigs tonite,and even put horford at the PF..
LIKE I SAID BEFORE,TEAGUE GETS DIMES AS SOON AS HE HITS DA FLOOR,AND THEN COMES CRAWFORD TO TAKE THE BALL OUT OF HIS HANDS..
WE WILL SEE A DIFFERENT TEAM IF CRAWFORD JUST GETS OPEN FOR HIS HOTS AND LET JT DO HIT THANG!!
TEAGUE TONITE(IF HE PLAYS UP TO 30 MINUTES)10PTS./14 DIMES/5 FOULS/3 REBOUNDS/1 BLOCK/2 OR 3 STEALS)..
BECAUSE HE HAS NOT PLAYED WITH THE 1ST UNIT ALL YEAR,HE WILL BE PRONE TO EARLY FOUL TROUBLE AND SIT OUT MOST OF THE 1ST AND 2ND QTRS. LOOK FOR HIS STAR TO SHINE IN THE 2ND HALF..
THE PERSON TO WATCH IS MARVIN!!!!!
bj rufino
March 16th, 2010
6:20 pm
yes, Bob Rathbun is right that strange things happen for the hawks is jersey because the last they played their hawks almost got the win but Vince Carter hit a deep buzzer beater 3 in OT
Willy
March 16th, 2010
6:25 pm
This is good, even if it fails in this little 2-3game span. Woody “can” now see more possibilities after having used the rookie in a bigger way. This might be just what it took to open up the book a little. I’ll give him, Woodson, credit for not taking the easy alternative and running Crawford for 46 minutes.
KevinA
March 16th, 2010
6:39 pm
Bibby and Teague will make more impact on how well they pass. If they play Hawks ball either or both will be fine. Move the ball and pass the ball. I assume Marvin, Jamal, Al and Josh will absorb the JJ attempts. Bibby, Teague or Evans just need to play within themselves and play within the flow of the offense. No big deal.
Blast
March 16th, 2010
7:05 pm
Lol! “Rook” finally gets to start and folks now saying Woody is setting him up to fail by playing him with Bibby? WTF????
I like the move. “Rook” can get live gametime learning from Bibby. As someone mentioned too, starting doesn’t mean playing major minutes,but I hope/think “Rook will play well, but more important as Big Ray said, Hawks get the win.
I guess next season Woody will have to remember Teague’s name because he won’t be able to call him “Rook” anymore.
terrell
March 16th, 2010
7:19 pm
Hope Smoove doesn’t try to do too much with Joe being out. Just play your game Josh. Go Hawks. And btw, worst Falcons mock I’ve seen yet Tyger.
The Grinch
March 16th, 2010
7:21 pm
I’m glad to see Teague get the start; hope he gets significant minutes, win or lose.
O'Brien
March 16th, 2010
7:32 pm
If I’m the Nets, I’m going to Courtney Lee or Brook Lopez to start each possession (especially if Devin does not play).
I would like to see CDR get some PT, because I have not seen any footage of him (I had suggested him as someone Sund could make a deal for at the trade deadline to backup Marvin). I will also be watching one of their other SFs, Terrence Williams (sp?).
northcyde
March 16th, 2010
7:36 pm
Teague’s numbers for tonight:
6 pts – 3 asst – 2 rebs – 1 stl – 1 to
2 – 6 FG . . . 2 – 2 FT
18 minutes
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
7:39 pm
Lets do this
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
7:43 pm
1st teague pts
Ree Roe
March 16th, 2010
7:44 pm
Good start Jeff! Keep it up!
-REEpeat it to Roe!!
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
7:45 pm
why did bibby throw that pass?
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
7:45 pm
OMG Josh these are the damn NETS No Jumpers
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
7:46 pm
Bibby with a defensive play lol
terrell
March 16th, 2010
7:46 pm
Thought Tegue was starting at pg? Why is Bibby still bringing the ball up? Woody’s a joke!
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
7:47 pm
Damn Marvin DUCK POWER
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
7:50 pm
Uh Oh Teague is gonna get pulled LOL
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
7:50 pm
Damn Teague is just pickin fouls up
Wabe
March 16th, 2010
7:51 pm
There goes JT0.
He seemed to show a lot of nerves here early. Haven’t seen him penetrate, but that’s probably because Bibby’s been the primary ball handler getting the ball up the court.
O'Brien
March 16th, 2010
7:51 pm
Teague with a silly foul there. Thats one thing he needs to work on, especially since that will cut into his PT, and pile up team fouls on the Hawks.
And why is he going to double Brooks Lopez?
HawksFan11
March 16th, 2010
7:53 pm
JT0 looks scared out there
nunna yo biznezz
March 16th, 2010
7:54 pm
NUNNA YO BIZNEZZ@6:15PM,
FOUL TROUBLE ON TEAGUE..
HE WILL SIT MOST OF THE 1ST HALF,BUT,LIKE I SAID THE ONE TO WATCH IS MARVIN AND TEAGUE WILL SHOW UP IN THE 2ND HALF..
IM STILL LEANING ON 10PTS/13 DIMES/3REBS/1BLOCK/AND 5 FOULS..
THE MARVIN SHOW BEGINS NOW!!
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
7:54 pm
Damn duck is ballin
killa
March 16th, 2010
7:54 pm
Teague was nervous as ****
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
7:55 pm
Damn the hawks are just brickin shots
HawksFan11
March 16th, 2010
7:56 pm
Bibby is better at the 2
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
7:56 pm
Great Josh Boone is gonna grab 35 rebs on us.
nunna yo biznezz
March 16th, 2010
7:57 pm
WOODY HAS RANMO DRESSED,AND IF HE DOES NOT AT LEAST BRING HE OR COLLINS IN THE MIX AGAINST THE NETS BIGS,THIS WILL BE A LONG FREAKING NITE HAWKS FANS
killa
March 16th, 2010
7:57 pm
just like Mcgee from the Wizards had his best game. Here comes Josh Boone, we should just start picking a no name from every team we play, because there best games come against ATL
HawksFan11
March 16th, 2010
7:57 pm
Wish the starting 4 would not have frozen JT0 out like they did. Didn’t help is confidense much.
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
7:57 pm
just got in……did i see this correctly???
When Boone just got that rebound…didnt everybody around the basketball step back and allowed him to take it baseline …then stepped in that the last moment and got called for a foul…wdf?
O'Brien
March 16th, 2010
7:58 pm
Josh Boone is also somebody I suggested the Hawks look into at the trade deadline (or at the end of the season). He can play the role of Joe Smith, and he can also provide spot minutes the center position.
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
7:59 pm
damm…..Josh got embarrassed on both ends by Boone
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
8:00 pm
Typical Hawks. Turn Boone into a superstar
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
8:01 pm
Man I don’t give a damn if Joe isn’t their. The hawks are having triouble against the nets. THE NETS
HawksFan11
March 16th, 2010
8:01 pm
Not the strongest start for the Hawks inside men
HawksFan11
March 16th, 2010
8:02 pm
Slow down VenomSpitter, the Nest always start strong and fade
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
8:02 pm
lol we better not lose this game
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
8:03 pm
They better fade. Becuz if the Hawks lose this game somebody is getting hurt 2nite.
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
8:03 pm
love when I see our guys penetrating…takin it to the hole
O'Brien
March 16th, 2010
8:04 pm
Bibby looking good this quarter.
The Nets have 5 SF on their roster. Bobby Simmons, Chris Douglas-Roberts, Jarvis Hayes, Terrence Williams, and Trenton Hassell. Wow.
killa
March 16th, 2010
8:04 pm
as long as we dont lose, yeah our bigs having a rough time tonight especially Josh
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
8:04 pm
Zaza looked like he took about 7 steps
Blast
March 16th, 2010
8:05 pm
Hawks must rebound against this big frontline! Offensive and defensive rebounds!
killa
March 16th, 2010
8:05 pm
we got to rebound better
Sautee
March 16th, 2010
8:07 pm
O’Brien,
I was JUST saying the same thing to Mrs. Sautee.
Great minds, etc.
KevinA
March 16th, 2010
8:08 pm
Not a good time for Josh to go bad – survived some bad play
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
8:09 pm
It doesnt matter who the team is or who the players are, if they have a good # of bigs, they always s#!t on us…
I remember when they let “Louis Amundson” from the Suns and “Kyrylo Fesenko” from the Jazz look like dominant big men at crucial points in our games with them.
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
8:11 pm
That would have been a punishing dunk.
nunna yo biznezz
March 16th, 2010
8:11 pm
THIS IS WHAT U GET WHEN U PLAY ISO JOE AND YOUR TEAM HAS TO PLAY WITHOUT HIM!!
U GET PEOPLE HITTING PEOPLE WITH ERRANT PASSES,AND SO OUT OF SYNC!!
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
8:11 pm
Super Mario would have finished it!!!!
J.J.M.
March 16th, 2010
8:12 pm
are we really struggling against the NETS?
nunna yo biznezz
March 16th, 2010
8:12 pm
OK..I THINK THAT,NOW,ITS TIME FOR THE,”MARVIN SHOW”!!
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
8:12 pm
we look horrible
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
8:13 pm
29% shooting are u serious
Blast
March 16th, 2010
8:13 pm
Jamal must find his shot!
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
8:14 pm
nunna yo biznezz, whats “The Marvin Show”…???
A comedy/blooper sketch full of hilarious trip ups, stumbles, and random other acts of being clumsy???
killa
March 16th, 2010
8:15 pm
we arent struggling with the Nets, we are struggling with ourselves
J.J.M.
March 16th, 2010
8:16 pm
I graduate from devry this summer if the hawks lose against the nest im dropping out
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
8:17 pm
See folks this is what happens when u rely on ISO Joe all the damn time.
killa
March 16th, 2010
8:18 pm
are the hawks nervous?
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
8:18 pm
nice touch by the old man
Nite Owl
March 16th, 2010
8:19 pm
Iso Horford works.
Iso Ho?
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
8:21 pm
Jarvis Hayes…amazingly UGA hasnt even been good since he was there.
killa
March 16th, 2010
8:21 pm
Boone putting D on Josh Smith
Blast
March 16th, 2010
8:22 pm
Spurs putting the beatdown on Heat as we type.
KevinA
March 16th, 2010
8:23 pm
2-12 for Jamal and Josh? – mercy
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
8:25 pm
Smoove still needs to work on his offensive moves
killa
March 16th, 2010
8:26 pm
6th man of the year time
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
8:27 pm
I knew we weren’t gonna see teague back in the game. Well JT it’s over LOL
Blast
March 16th, 2010
8:27 pm
What did I say?
Jamal has to find his shot!
killa
March 16th, 2010
8:27 pm
yea Smoove does need to work on the moves a little bit
Blast
March 16th, 2010
8:27 pm
Teague has two fouls. I expect him to start the 3rd with Bibby.
Sleepy
March 16th, 2010
8:28 pm
Jamal realized he was in New jersey and decided to get this game over with
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
8:28 pm
lmao Smoove embarrassed Hayes
O'Brien
March 16th, 2010
8:28 pm
I feel bad for Teague, because this was his chance to get some extended minutes. However, he has to do a better job of not picking up 2 fouls in 6 minutes.
Crawford with 3 quick buckets.
Listen out for the “heat check” next time he misses.
Wabe
March 16th, 2010
8:29 pm
JT0 will start the 2nd half, but I’m honestly expecting the same type of minutes total he clocked in this 1st half. I know he picked up 2 quick fouls, but he could’ve been back out on the court right now if Woody wanted him out there.
It’s all good though, because we seem to be seizing control of this game right now. Maybe JT0 will get additional minutes in the 2nd half if the game is in control.
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
8:29 pm
Now we need to smash this team into the ground
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
8:33 pm
nice things happen when you move the ball effectively? Wow amazing revelation.
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
8:35 pm
Now we’re rolling! NOW WE’RE ROLLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Blast
March 16th, 2010
8:37 pm
Just not sure why y’all beating yourselves over about Jeff. Maybe the Acie and Salim experiments still giving y’all nightmares. Personally, I think Woody is bringing him up the right way. He is a rookie, people, without a reliable jump shot yet! I believe he will be special, but he won’t get too much time this year. He is playing behind vets that have proven themselves in this league! His time will come!
Having said that, I expect him to get some serious minutes in the 2nd half of this game, so long as he stays out of foul trouble..
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
8:37 pm
lets get Crawford 50 tonight lmfao
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
8:37 pm
Ohhh Jamal Hopefully he keeps it goin
J.J.M.
March 16th, 2010
8:37 pm
on fire
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
8:38 pm
technology fail LMAO
Sleepy
March 16th, 2010
8:38 pm
lol jamal is a BEAST
O'Brien
March 16th, 2010
8:39 pm
Crawford ended the second quarter on fire. Too bad the quarter had to come to an end, because he might cool off during half time.
Blast
March 16th, 2010
8:39 pm
What else can you say about Jamal? Did he find his shot or what?
Blast
March 16th, 2010
8:41 pm
O’Brien,
Believe you me. Once Jamal gets it going, he doesn’t cool off until the game ends.
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
8:41 pm
ISO Crawford > ISO Joe
killa
March 16th, 2010
8:41 pm
nimbers! for Jamal
sam'l
March 16th, 2010
8:43 pm
“Lord knows many people will be looking for him to fail, all for the purpose of winning arguments that don’t even matter, or just a chance to bash the kid while supporting the coach.”
For a man of fact, you is whacked out. First off, the Lord (if there is such a thing) doesn’t give a hoot about the Atlanta Hawks. Second, if you ever read people’s entries, most people around here want the Hawks to win. We don’t care HOW they win as long as they don’t cheat or injure someone or go into the stands after us. Most people are hoping that Teague will be able to handle his opportunity against the lowly Nets so the Hawks will win. So, NO, completely wrong that “Lord knows many people will be looking for him to fail, all for the purpose of winning arguments that don’t even matter.” As for bashing the kid while supporting the coach, none of the more than 1500 blog entries I have read support this view. The COACH is being bashed and rightfully so….he can’t think on his feet or the Hawks would be at Cleveland’s heels with about 7 more victories and 2 more Cleveland defeats.. The prevailing feeling is the COACH deserves bashing because he doesn’t develop subs and therefore leaves the team vulnerable when subs are needed as in injuries, fast paced games where people tire out, and back to backs where people tire out. TEAGUE will get bashed when he throws the ball away, can’t direct the team or especially if he does something that costs the Hawks a game. So “bashing the kid while supporting the coach,” in addition to misreading the mood of the populace and being a totally uninteresting concept that means nothing to anyone….is just annoyingly wrong. .
Sautee
March 16th, 2010
8:52 pm
sam’l,
He was talking about truth-serum, who bashes Teague while ardently defending Woody.
I’m surprised you missed that. Lots of posts in the last couple of days.
Big Ray
March 16th, 2010
8:54 pm
Real center vs. Fake center watch:
Real center (Lopez)- 10 points, 2 rebounds
Fake center (Horford)- 9 points, 8 rebounds
cp
March 16th, 2010
8:54 pm
Teague looked a little nervous. Hopefully he calms down for the second half. Crawford and Bibby looked good out there. Marvin was solid. And why did we sign Mario West? He brings nothing to the table. Did the Hawks really prefer Mario over Stackhouse?
northcyde
March 16th, 2010
8:56 pm
The sad thing is that no one will say that Woody did the right thing by NOT putting Teague back into the game. This team was dreadful for about 20 minutes in that half, but the best lineup we could put out there tonight, got the job done. Now we have a comfortable lead.
Coach won’t get credit for putting the obvious best lineup in to secure the game though.
As for Teague, I hope he plays better in the 2nd half. If not, it is what it is.
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
8:57 pm
Dumb foul Teague.
O'Brien
March 16th, 2010
8:57 pm
Teague. What was that? You got to do better than that if you want more PT.
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
8:59 pm
See Marvin plays better when Joe is not their.
HawksFan11
March 16th, 2010
8:59 pm
CP
Yes, he was cheaper
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
9:00 pm
lmfao…nets are garbage..i feel sorry for their fans forreal
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
9:00 pm
Man Teague is ruined. Sorry but he just is bamboozled out there. Time to look 4 another PG.
HawksFan11
March 16th, 2010
9:00 pm
Okay I’m convinced; JT = AC
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
9:02 pm
Why is it this team can’t draft a decent PG?????????????????
Sautee
March 16th, 2010
9:03 pm
Excuse me northcyde, but didn’t YOU just say it?
Why don’t you just set the example for how we should all be blogging instead of complaining that you don’t see the posts you THINK you should?
HawksFan11
March 16th, 2010
9:03 pm
That boy is just pitiful
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
9:04 pm
I’m still gonna roll with “Teague just needs confidence”
Big Ray
March 16th, 2010
9:04 pm
sam’l ,
First, the blog does not represent all Hawks fans. I’ve heard people in Phillips Arena and on other blogs talk down about Teague.
Second, I never said that many people on this blog want Teague to fail. There are some that do, some that don’t, and some that don’t care much either way.
Yes, most of us want the Hawks to win. I don’t know how often you’re on here, but there are some who complain regularly about the Hawks and say the team sucks, win or lose. Those people tend to overlook every win that isn’t against the Cavs or Magic.
Third, I don’t know what your problem with me is lately.
Fourth, I seriously doubt you’ve read and reviewed all 1500 blog entries, much less the last 1500. If you had, then you’d have known that the comments I made to Grandad a day or two ago were nothing but pure humorous sarcasm. And, you would know precisely how I feel about Mike Woodson, an opinion that has been well documented both here and on the fan blog.
Fifth, READ what I’m saying. Stop interpreting what’s not there. Did I say “many people HERE will want Teague to fail, while also supporting the coach?” No, I did NOT. I’ve been blogging here for the last 4-5 years, since Sekou Smith was here. I know what the “general populace” has been saying.
I don’t have beef with you, don’t understand why you have issues with me, other than to misunderstand some of the things I’ve written. What I find interesting is that others aren’t having the same problem…hmmmm…
Wabe
March 16th, 2010
9:05 pm
JT0 is struggling out there.
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
9:05 pm
I thought we were on the verge of blowing these guys out…not letting them back into the game.
Sautee
March 16th, 2010
9:05 pm
northcyde,
not doggin’ you man, but THAT’S why Ray thought you were Kirk.
He would often post “why doesn’t anybody mention X” instead of just mentioning X himself.
It comes across like you are telling people how they should post.
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
9:05 pm
Now Mac Woody hasn’t just taken teague’s confidence he’s taken his entire soul. AND HE AIN’T GIVIN IT BACK.
Wabe
March 16th, 2010
9:06 pm
Are you guys seriously suggesting looking for another PG based on 10+ minutes of time from JT)?
seriously guys, shut the hell up.
Ree Roe
March 16th, 2010
9:06 pm
Why do we keep doubling on Lopez?
-REEly on Roe!!
HawksFan11
March 16th, 2010
9:07 pm
Not anymore Wabe. JT0 is done out there tonight.
Big Ray
March 16th, 2010
9:07 pm
I’m not giving up on a rookie who gets 9 minutes per game. He has to learn, this is part of the learning experience. Like I suspected, there are already posts stating that Teague sucks as a player and should be replaced. I wonder if Sam’l still thinks I’m wrong about my prediction….
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
9:08 pm
Venom…same thing said about Acie…lol what is Woodson doing/saying to these guys to have them “shook” like that? He must threatened to head butt em or somethin
Wabe
March 16th, 2010
9:09 pm
He’s a rookie, and it shows. He’s clearly got things to work on. But, I’ll say this, this is one reason we should be playing the kid more meaningful minutes in some of these games. He clearly needs to polish his game and that’ll only happen with minutes on the court.
By the way, I’ve seen JT0 play much better than this when he’s entered games for a few minutes, so I’m not taking too much away from his performance today. I wish he would’ve took advantage of this opportunity and used it as a way to boost his minutes going down the stretch, but I don’t think he’s convinced anybody that he’s ready.
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
9:09 pm
Dudes gettin embarrassed..nothing worse than getting your crap SENT.
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
9:10 pm
LMAO @ Mac. Woody has punked all the young PGs that he has ever coached lol. Woody is the POINT GUARD TERMINATOR.
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
9:12 pm
“By the way, I’ve seen JT0 play much better than this when he’s entered games for a few minutes”
me too….I don’t think we’ve saw enough of Teague to fully judge, and from what we have saw, I dont think it’s as bad as some make it out.
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
9:13 pm
lmfao…chris quinn.
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
9:13 pm
WTF kinda music were they just playing LMAO
Big Ray
March 16th, 2010
9:14 pm
Northcyde ,
Check this out from yesterday:
Big Ray
March 15th, 2010
6:33 pm
This is a good opportunity for minutes for Teague, but what are the expectations for him? Should we expect him to get 20 points and 10 assists? Anybody who unequivocally supports Woody by bashing Teague (and this isn’t everybody who supports Woody, so don’t go there) will take any chance they can get, waiting for Teague to fail or otherwise fail to dazzle. One game does not a player make.
He played well against New Jersey earlier, but I’m expecting solid, not spectacular play. We’ll see what happens. He should get more than 10 minutes this time around, provided he is not stinking it up out there. If he stinks it up, then of course he will go to the bench. Nothing unreasonable about that…
And this:
Ken Strickland ,
In my mind, Teague playing horribly means getting into foul trouble, blowing one defensive assignment after another, and turning the ball over a lot. If he’s doing all that and we’re losing because of it, why keep him in the game? I know that Bibby has done his fair share of blowing defensive assignments or simply not impeding his opponent’s progress. However, he has one of the league’s best assist/turnover ratios, and he rarely gets into bad foul trouble. The biggest thing is taking care of the ball. Again, if Teague turns it over, and that is causing us to lose to a team we should be (and have) squashing, then how do you justify it? Let Teague play no matter what, and lose to the Nets? I think not.
So you see, it’s already been said. Ahead of time, even.
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
9:15 pm
I wish Josh had Horford’s moves around the basket, he’d be so dangerous then.
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
9:15 pm
Like I said Marvin is better when he doesn’t play with Joe
Sautee
March 16th, 2010
9:16 pm
If our “fake” center can get 4 more assists, he’ll have a triple-double.
HawksFan11
March 16th, 2010
9:16 pm
I’d love to see the kid pick it up, it just seems like he has to work on every facet of his game.
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
9:16 pm
See Marvin again
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
9:16 pm
Marvin always shows out w/o Joe.
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
9:18 pm
Maaaaaaaan up by 20….let that boy Teague play the entire 4th.
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
9:18 pm
Exactly Mac. Joe is just like poison to Marvin. He gets goofy around Joe LOL
Big Ray
March 16th, 2010
9:18 pm
Wabe ,
Agree. Short memories are forgetting what Teague did against the Nets earlier this year:
12/13/09- 24 minutes, 5-9 shooting (including 1-2 on three-pointers), 12 points, 3 assists, 2 steals)
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
9:20 pm
Teague just needs to find away to get his confidence back and he should be alright. It’s just that nobody has ever gotten their confidence back with woody as their coach.
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
9:21 pm
Crawford bricked that last one…..the only logical explanation for that is Chris Quinn LOCK DOWN defense…..what a player
HawksFan11
March 16th, 2010
9:22 pm
A jump shot wouldn’t hurt Teague either
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
9:22 pm
Terrence Williams was trying to posterize Joe Smith
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
9:22 pm
lol what was Bibby reading
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
9:23 pm
He was reading “How to Defend for Dummies”
Najeh Davenpoop
March 16th, 2010
9:24 pm
Dang, Lopez has more range than I thought.
Big Ray
March 16th, 2010
9:26 pm
Real center vs. Fake center watch:
Real center (Lopez)- 17 points, 3 rebounds, 2 blocks
Fake center (Horford)- 15 points, 11 rebounds, 7 assists
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
9:26 pm
He’s on fire
Najeh Davenpoop
March 16th, 2010
9:27 pm
Nice to see the Hawks take care of business to start the 4th and leave the Nets with no illusions of a comeback.
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
9:27 pm
lol@Venom
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
9:27 pm
Don’t take this the wrong way everybody but if Joe was playing I think this game would be much closer. Just sayin
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
9:29 pm
lol@I was thinkin that too…real spit
Melvin
March 16th, 2010
9:29 pm
Hawks have a 24 pt lead in the 4th and they are playing the 1st game of a back to back, Why the hell isn’t Teague in the game?????
Big Ray
March 16th, 2010
9:29 pm
Jamal Crawford shows us how to do it. After going 1 for 6 early on, he has come back to hit a total of 11 of 17 shots.
I do believe if this was a bad team he was playing for, this would be one of those 50 point nights. However, the Hawks are good and versatile, so no need…
J.J.M.
March 16th, 2010
9:30 pm
I hope crawford is on the new nba jam
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
9:30 pm
plz dont let these guys make the score look “respectable”
Big Ray
March 16th, 2010
9:31 pm
Melvin ,
Good question. Not sure what he can learn from the bench with a 24 point lead…
Melvin
March 16th, 2010
9:31 pm
Woody,
Take Crawford out the game. Please… We dont need another injury…
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
9:31 pm
lmao…handles by crawford…dude clownin out there
Melvin
March 16th, 2010
9:32 pm
Crawford is leaving the game now. Woody must have heard me…:)
Dominique a nique a nique
March 16th, 2010
9:32 pm
IsoJoe offense is really missed tonight.
Do we need JJ?
March 16th, 2010
9:32 pm
Hawks seem to be playing with more energy, more ball movement, and still destroying the nets without JJ. Jamal running the team with a mid-level 7 footer and this team will not lose a step next year, may be better even if Joe Johnson leaves. I pose this question early, lets see what happens against a quality team in Toronto tomorrow. When we had Joe Johnson before the all-star break but no Crawford we got destroyed by Miami, who is worth more on this team, I think crawford as he drives and dishes and manages the clock better.
Big Ray
March 16th, 2010
9:32 pm
Venom Spitter ,
Heh, heh, heh…I hope you’re wearing your asbestos suit, you’re liable to draw flames for having the balls to say that…
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
9:33 pm
smh..Nets
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
9:33 pm
I just feel that there would be a real lack of ball movement if JJ was out there.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 16th, 2010
9:33 pm
Kind of an awkward way to get your first dime, but I’m sure Teague will take it.
Big Ray
March 16th, 2010
9:36 pm
Yeah Najeh , you take it how you can get it. Been many times where he got a sweet pass into Joe Smith or Zaza Pachulia, but they didn’t convert. So that happen in many games.
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
9:36 pm
@Do we need JJ?
Interesting. I’m very curious about how we look in T-DOT against the Raps as well.
Things look great right now…but then again it is the Nets.
Melvin
March 16th, 2010
9:37 pm
Big Ray,
I think Venom Spitter is trying to commit Blog suicide…
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
9:38 pm
uh oh..the TWIN TOWERS
Sleepy
March 16th, 2010
9:38 pm
Just checked the numbers and Crawfords shooting 51% from 2 and 50% from 3 for the month of march and averaging 20 ppg.
O'Brien
March 16th, 2010
9:38 pm
By getting this big lead, the startes will get some rest, because they play Toronto tomorrow (without JJ again, and the Raptors are much better than the Nets).
Big Ray
March 16th, 2010
9:38 pm
Sleepy ,
Nice…
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
9:39 pm
Randmo makin his presence felt quickly with the brick.
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
9:39 pm
I hope the Joe lovers don’t try to kill me for what I said lol
Melvin
March 16th, 2010
9:39 pm
Is RandMo the new human victory cigar???
Wabe
March 16th, 2010
9:39 pm
I know it’s the Nets, but it’s still extremely satisfying to see us do what we were “supposed to do” against the Nets minus our star 2-gaurd, JJ.
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
9:39 pm
LOL Jason Collins Runs in slow motion.
O'Brien
March 16th, 2010
9:40 pm
Is it just me, or is Teague’s shot usually short?
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
9:41 pm
Teague’s really gonna be in Woodson’s dog house now.
Do we need JJ?
March 16th, 2010
9:41 pm
Melvin,
Venom Spitter is not the only one questioning the Joe Johnson situation, I have watched almost every Hawk game this year and the team just changes when Crawford is out there, the play with an extra step and if notice the nights they win its cause they create separation when Crawford is out there in the second, third, and closing out the fourth. I think more time with Crawford and mid-level center then Joe’s contribution would be spread more among the team and not missed, rest of the players will easily make up that 22 points per game.
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
9:41 pm
I wonder if Mark Price is working with Teague becuz his shot is still broken. Hopefully it can be fixed.
Nite Owl
March 16th, 2010
9:42 pm
I love Joe but I wouldn’t give him max money. Give his spot to Jamal (and extend him), and give the leftover shots to Marvin, who we’re stuck with for good or bad anyway because of his contract.
Smoove and Al will continue to grow and take over this team. Find a scorer or two for the bench—and you’ve still got a hell of a team without Joe.
Just my half a cent.
Melvin
March 16th, 2010
9:42 pm
No 4th qtr mins for Josh. I’m sure he doesn’t know what to do with himself on the bench. He just may give Bibby a manicure…
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
9:42 pm
After this game, Woodson is gonna have more confidence in Frank Robinson than Teague.
Wabe
March 16th, 2010
9:43 pm
Teague will be SOLID threat if he can develop a decent mid-range jumper to go and get that floater in the lane down. I think he can already play a decent role as a true PG because he has the ability to weave his way through traffic and penetrate. He just needs to find a way to let his offense loose. He was a explosive scorer at Wake Forest, so he’s capable of getting there. He just needs time to adjust and let his game translate.
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
9:43 pm
Nobody benefits more from Joe not playing than Marvin the Duck.
15 pts 5 rebs 3 ast 1 stl
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
9:44 pm
lmao….
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
9:44 pm
Uh Oh Teague is havin fun now
Ken
March 16th, 2010
9:44 pm
Teague is not ready to lead the team. After watching him start tonight, he seemed lost and did not take advantage of this opportunity at all. I think he has a confidence issue . Now I see why Woody has been so hesitant to use him more despite Bibby’s struggles. I was expecting more from him tonight and was really dissapointed.
Melvin
March 16th, 2010
9:45 pm
Mario West nickname is Crash and Burn. The man knock himself to the floor after a breakaway dunk…LMAO…. I love that guy…
Big Ray
March 16th, 2010
9:47 pm
Good to see us blow these guys out, without JJ.
Marvin had a good game, Crawford was on it, Horford played very well. Decent contributions from the bench.
Now for the real test in Toronto…
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
9:47 pm
….no clue why the Nets have such a lousy record with athletes and play makers like Chris Quinn.
Big Ray
March 16th, 2010
9:49 pm
Wabe ,
Exactly. Which is why Woody always endorses the kid, even while limiting his minutes. I think Teague will work hard this summer on his jumper. He knows what he has to do. Now we get to see how good (or bad) his work ethic is.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 16th, 2010
9:49 pm
The problem with using a game like this to assume that the Hawks would be better off without Joe is that you are blaming Joe for Woody’s shortcomings. Joe, I’m assuming, didn’t arrange a secret meeting with Woody to hatch an evil scheme to always run isolation instead of installing a scheme that involves ball movement. My guess is if Joe leaves and Crawford starts, you’ll be seeing an awful lot of iso-Crawford next year. And as much as I like Crawford, his shot selection gets a lot worse when you rely on him to carry your offense, as he’s proven throughout his career.
Over the course of a season, I would prefer iso-Joe to iso-Crawford. Crawford is perfect in his current role.
section119lady
March 16th, 2010
9:49 pm
Hopefully we are well rested for game tomorrow night, especially Smoove who is gonna need to have a good game defensively tomorrow.
Maybe Marvin will understand he can play like this when Joe comes back, and maybe Joe can play a little more team ball when he gets back from his nap.
You think Woody will play these guys more this 7 man rotation act is not gonna work.
Melvin
March 16th, 2010
9:49 pm
Well dang, the last time the Hawks beat the Nets in that dump, TLue and the popcorn maker (Lorenzen) was on the team…. I’m glad we are passed those days…
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
9:50 pm
WTF was he doin. That was one of those pushes str8 outta NBA jam when your shoes light up LOL
Melvin
March 16th, 2010
9:50 pm
Mo Evans should have pass that ball anyway…
Wabe
March 16th, 2010
9:50 pm
We didn’t need that bucket Mo Evans.
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
9:52 pm
Somethin tells me….even if its in the back of his mind…..that JJ has some ill thought about this game
“man dang, they didnt look like the missed me tonight”
Big Ray
March 16th, 2010
9:55 pm
Najeh ,
Agreed on that…
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
9:56 pm
Hey Mac Joe is probably texting Marvin right now “U know u only had a good game cuz I wasn’t there right? U betta play yo duck position when I get back” lol
Sautee
March 16th, 2010
9:57 pm
Najeh,
If Joe WERE to leave, why wouldn’t we just share the ball like we did tonight.
Yes, I understand the need for ISO’s on occasion, but why should sharing not be the staple?
Ree Roe
March 16th, 2010
9:57 pm
Solid all around game by everyone on the roster. Teague obviously struggled, but the rest of the team picked him up. Jamal, Marvin & Al were huge & we’ll need more from them tomorrow w/o Joe (again). I find it hilarious that some of yall think the team is better off without Joe just because we beat the Nets. GTFOH
-REEalize I’m Roe!
Big Ray
March 16th, 2010
9:58 pm
Dang, if I recall correctly, Northcyde guessed pretty damn close to what Teague’s whole stat line was going to look like…
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 16th, 2010
9:59 pm
Venom, Marvin probably replied “lol (random smiley face picture here)”
Big Ray
March 16th, 2010
9:59 pm
Ree Roe ,
You kill me with your signature line at the bottom of every post…
HawksFan11
March 16th, 2010
9:59 pm
Najeh,
Can’t agree 100%. Joe is an All-Star and the team captain. He has to recognize when the iso-(fill-in-the-blank) isn’t working and refocus the teams efforts. As great a scorer as JJ is, a natural team leader, he ain’t.
Nite Owl
March 16th, 2010
10:00 pm
Good point, Najeh. Still not sure I want to give Joe the max, though.
I think Jamal is ready to be the man at two, and he’s heading into his prime. He’s been selfish on bad teams, but he’s no Isaiah Rider.
But yeah, what WOULD Woody do with that bunch? Don’t bring me down, man…
VenomSpitter
March 16th, 2010
10:00 pm
If I was Marvin I would Text “Shut the DUCK” to Joe lol
Ree Roe
March 16th, 2010
10:01 pm
Oh yea. Hawks are 3 GB of ORL now. We still have a shot at this division people…ORL in the A next Wed is a MUST WIN game for us
-REEap what you Roe!!!
Sautee
March 16th, 2010
10:02 pm
Final nimbers Fake vs. Real:
Real center (Lopez) 36 min 21 pts, 4 reb, 1 ast
Fake center (Horford) 30 min 15 pts, 11 reb, 7 ast
Wow, I guess sometimes less is more.
Ree Roe
March 16th, 2010
10:05 pm
@ Big Ray, no doubt bruh, lol
-REEtarded, not Roe!!!
Nite Owl
March 16th, 2010
10:13 pm
Not optimistic about catching Orlando, but why the hell not.
By the way, Toronto’s where Jamal gets his 50. That game’s going to be in the 130s. Like old-school Nuggets-Lakers, minus the Hall of Famers.
Big Ray
March 16th, 2010
10:30 pm
I hope not. We need to play better defense. Getting in a shootout with a half-decent team like Toronto could be recipe for disaster.
Astro Joe
March 16th, 2010
10:42 pm
Can anyone make any projection from a 1 game victory against a team that is on pace to be the worse in LEAGUE HISTORY? Does anyone want Sund to use this game to dot the i or cross the t on any decision? I certainly don’t. A good win… I don;t think anything else needs to be gleaned from this game. Not Teague’s performance, not Jamal’s performance and ot Marvin’s performance. Playing the Nets this seaosn is a freakin’ anamoly. It is a data point to be discarded. In fact, none of the stats from this game should count. Playing the Nets is akin to playing an exhibition game. Like when the Braves play the UGA baseball game. Cute, fun, but it doesn’t count.
The real NBA season resumes tomorrow.
me@!
March 16th, 2010
10:44 pm
Hoe ford had a great game.
New Jersey Nets
PPG RPG APG
18.8 9.0 2.2
Al Horford | 15 | F-C
Atlanta Hawks
PPG RPG APG
14.1 9.4 2.2
me@!
March 16th, 2010
10:45 pm
I like the defense he played on his Lopez….shut him down!
northcyde
March 16th, 2010
10:46 pm
Ray, Sautee . . . I’m just saying. It is what it is.
I simply made an observation with my halftime comment. People blame Woody for every player that hasn’t developed here, instead of blaming the REAL CULPRIT . . . the actual player.
The truth is that Teague basically had everything handed to him on a silver platter tonight. Even the guy he was supposed to slow down, Deviv Harris, didn’t play tonight.
And for whatever reason, the kid just didn’t respond well at all. The people who assert that the kid isn’t ready to lead yet, just might be right.
And honestly, this was the same thing that happened to guys like Salim, Shelden, and Acie. They all got their shot to prove themselves on a consistent basis, and they just couldn’t do it.
Woody knows his team. He always has. That’s what makes him a good coach. Not a great one, but a good one. He knows his personnel like the back of his hand.
When Shelden struggled, and Solo was outplaying him, Solo got time over Shelden.
When Salim would come into a game, and go 1 – 4 FG in 5 minutes, and Lue could come in and go 3 – 4 FG in 5 minutes, the decision of who to play was a no-brainer.
When Acie thought he was going to get playing time last year, but Flip came in and immeadiately made an impact, Flip made Acie expendible.
I hope Woody starts Teague again tomorrow night. Give the kid a chance to bounce back. If he doesn’t though . . . oh well. He had the “perfect storm” tonight, and didn’t take advantage.
Astro Joe
March 16th, 2010
10:46 pm
Let’s hope that we get to see Horford and Lopez battle for the next 8-10 years. They are BOTH incredible talents and entertaining to watch.
PMC
March 16th, 2010
10:48 pm
Boy I hope Jeff Teague gets a lot better than he looked tonight.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 16th, 2010
10:53 pm
“Yes, I understand the need for ISO’s on occasion, but why should sharing not be the staple?”
I agree with that, and I’d love to see the Hawks run an offense based on ball movement, but I’m just saying that Woody is the weak link here, not Joe. Installing an offense that makes sharing the staple is Woody’s job, not Joe’s.
“Still not sure I want to give Joe the max, though. ”
In a perfect world, only the elite, undisputed, team-carrying players — and there are maybe 10 of them in the league, if that — would get a max contract. That list probably includes LeBron, Kobe, Wade, Melo, Duncan, Nash, Howard, and Nowitzki, with Durant probably joining them by the end of the year. The next tier of stars, which includes Joe, Bosh, Roy, etc. probably deserves slightly less than the max in a perfect system. That’s the way it was intended when the salary cap was put in place. Unfortunately, for a long time that hasn’t been the case. So the reality is that the Hawks either give Joe the max or lose him.
The problem with losing him is that the chances of getting a similar caliber player to replace him in a sign-and-trade are next to zero. The long-shot Chris Paul trade that I re-post every now and then is the most likely scenario of that happening, and that is very, very unlikely to actually happen, even if it does make some sense for both sides.
And to me, the difference between Kobe and Joe is about as much as the difference between Joe and Jamal. Kobe, on a bad shooting day, still finds a way to do other things to help his team win. Joe, on bad shooting days, generally has a negative effect on the offense, but a lot of that has to do with Woody’s system — I’m confident that in a better scheme he would find a way to impact the game positively in other ways too, although not to Kobe’s extent.
Crawford, on the other hand, is almost guaranteed to be a net loss on a bad shooting night, because his shot selection even on good days is not all that great. Don’t get me wrong, I was a big fan of the Crawford trade, and I love what he’s provided for the Hawks, but he’s done it all without having to shoulder the responsibility of carrying the team offensively. He is perfectly suited to his role. If he was made the centerpiece of the offense, I’m pretty confident we would see a lot more contested bricks from him — in other words, exactly what he did on the bad teams he was on most of his career.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 16th, 2010
10:54 pm
“Joe is an All-Star and the team captain. He has to recognize when the iso-(fill-in-the-blank) isn’t working and refocus the teams efforts. As great a scorer as JJ is, a natural team leader, he ain’t.”
You make a good point, and there have been plenty of occasions this year when Joe could have involved his teammates more but chose not to and cost the Hawks possessions as a result. I still think if you look at the season as a whole, Woody is responsible for that more than Joe is, though.
Astro Joe
March 16th, 2010
10:54 pm
PMC, he will. I’d love to know his reaction to his performance tonight. I don’t want dude to be suicidal but I also don’t want to read a quote that sounds like he is taking tonight lightly. A healthy dose of disappointment AND resolve would be ideal.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 16th, 2010
10:57 pm
Oh yeah, and apparently Jamal Crawford reads this blog, so I’ll just say this: nothing personal, dude, you’ve had a great year.
Nite Owl
March 16th, 2010
10:57 pm
@Northcyde:
That’s some truth right there. I get frustrated with Woody sometimes, but a player has to earn his minutes.
You brought up some good examples. It’s not like Salim, Acie, and Shelden have set the world on fire since leaving Atlanta.
You can’t polish a, well, you know.
I think Teague will be fine, though. If he’s still struggling this time next year, then we’ve got a problem.
Astro Joe
March 16th, 2010
11:01 pm
Geez, what’s the bigger myth, iso-Joe is the team’s predominant play for 48 minutes a game or that MJ retired after 3 rings because of extensive gambking debts?
the intruder
March 16th, 2010
11:03 pm
Hoe ford aint no incredible talent. Hes the #25th center when it comes to blocking shots and is some where between 8-15 among centers for rebounds. Lopez always gets his lunch. Since horford is going to be so lazy, why dont we get a center who can and will play defense.
bugsy
March 16th, 2010
11:05 pm
did Lopez hit 21 against Horford?
Astro Joe
March 16th, 2010
11:05 pm
DING!
Nite Owl
March 16th, 2010
11:07 pm
I appreciate all the serious analysis and knowledge from you guys. Thanks and have a good night.
oldandntheway
March 16th, 2010
11:39 pm
Point guard is 75% of NBA, we are where we are because of Bibby, let Jeff Teague play and see if we can get better.
Big Ray
March 16th, 2010
11:48 pm
Northcyde ,
Count me among the choir with that sermon.
I never said or even believed that Teague was ready to take over at point guard. I’ve only wanted to see him play more than 9 mpg. Maybe as much as 16-18 mpg. I’ve quoted Woody many times where he has said that he felt no need to throw Teague to the Wolves, and that he thought Teague would take over the team in time . Nothing more, nothing less. Yeah, there have been people who wanted Teauge to start and play 35 mpg, while Bibby was crucified and burned at the stake. You’ll always have those types of reactions. I think anybody with common sense knows better. Then again…
I agree that Teague did not play well in this game. Nothing more can be said about it. What I do know is that Woody has publicly supported the kid, and so have his teammates. I’m glad to see that, and mentioned it FREQUENTLY during training camp, preseason, and regular season.
Big Ray
March 16th, 2010
11:53 pm
Astro Joe ,
I don’t think Teague loses confidence nearly as much as people want to say he does. And I don’t think Woody is destroying his confidence, either. At the same time, I think his quotes aren’t those of a person who doesn’t care, but rather a guy who gets over stuff. If Teague says he isn’t worried about something, it’s probably for the sake of getting the point across that he’s not going to dwell in misery on a bad performance.
Remember what he said after going 0 for 11 or 0 for 15 in a game much earlier this season? “You won’t see that happen again.”
I agree with you. He’ll be fine.
rusty
March 17th, 2010
12:02 am
that damm woody set teague up to fail. what the hell was he doing starting bibby. teague never got a chance to run the defense. the jerk brings in mario over teague. he could have left him in longer,what differance does it make if he has 2 fouls. woody is an ass,teague is doomed. teague can make this team play uptempo ball,jj & bibby always slows the tempo down to a crawl. this team needs to move the ball,with jj in the game all he cares about is getting a lot of points & being the man. crawford is a much better player,plays uptempo & wii make plays for his team mates while joe will run the cloak out & pass to mw or js with 2 seconds left. woody makes horrible line ups. we will never compete against the top teams with him at the helm.
rusty
March 17th, 2010
12:04 am
i meant offense not defense
vava74
March 17th, 2010
8:20 am
I actually think rusty has a point.
Having Bibby at the SG slot was – IMO – a bad decision since instead of being an aid to Teague it worked like a statement of lack of trust.
wordsmithtom
March 17th, 2010
8:59 am
Vava74,
While I appreciate your support of the Hawks and often your opinions…on this Teague thing, I have to disagree. Playing Bibby at shooting guard is a statement to “the Rook”. Your shot isn’t there. You have to be ready when your name is called. You aren’t ready.
Teague is good; just not ready. A 20 year old is rarely ready. Rondo couldnt get burn his first year in Boston. Wasn’t ready. You can’t teach speed and the ability to break down defenses. JT has shown me talent, just not that he’s ready to lead a playoff team. Fortunately, the Hawks aren’t the Hawks of 2005-06. Now is about winning….not preparing for the future. The future is NOW.
Next year JT will no longer be “the Rook”. It’s with him to work on his shooting this summer. I’m sure he’s learned more in practice than he would in another year at Wake. Comments from Bibby that he’s learned to hold him; comments from Ray Allen about riding the pines as a Rook. His teammates haven’t given up on him; his peers see a baller…..neophite notwithstanding….and in time, if he puts in the work, he’ll get his shot. Bibby is aging….so JT gets that shot here or somewhere else…IF he puts in the work on his shot. He has the ability to break down defenses; if he didn’t he wouldn’t be in the NBA today.
I remember being 20. I knew EVERYTHING. I knew NADA. Jeff has a lot to learn at a very difficult skill position. I think he’s doing OK. Acie never learned to break down defenses. He’ll never make it. A shot can be developed; speed and court awareness are there or they’re not.
Sautee
March 17th, 2010
9:20 am
wordsmithtom,
about this:
“Rondo couldnt get burn his first year in Boston. Wasn’t ready.”
I don’t disagree about Teague, but Rondo played 23.5 minutes a game his rookie year.
vava74
March 17th, 2010
11:00 am
wordsmithtom,
I respect your opinion and thank you for the props, however, yesterday was a match which was almost impossible to lose.
hence, I think the best option would have been to give Teague a true chance to work with the starting frontcourt with the rock in his hands, something which with Bibby on the floor could not happen.
Samuel
March 17th, 2010
1:07 pm
Man,I watch Jeff Teague last night against the Nets- dude almost look like he didn’t belong. Iv’e seen other rookies before early on in their career and they seem to shine. I hope he shows more against Toronto tonight. If not this could be a bust for the Atlanta Hawks.