Atlanta Hawks: The Blueprint–Remixed With Joe Johnson (sore Achilles’) out
J.J. to miss first game of season.
It looks like the Hawks’ good fortune with injuries finally has ended.
Joe Johnson (sore Achilles’) is not on the Hawks’ team flight. He’s been ruled out for New Jersey tomorrow and probably is out for Thursday Wednesday at Toronto, too. Mike Bibby (back) made the flight but is questionable for New Jersey.
J.J. will miss his first game of the season and just his fourth since 2007-08. He wasn’t available for comment because he was getting treatment (and napping, as is his custom).
“I’ve always said when somebody goes down it gives somebody else a chance to step up and play,” Woody said before J.J. was officially ruled out. “That’s why I tell guys they’ve always got to be ready.”
Woody wasn’t ready to say how he’ll adjust the lineup, in part because he wasn’t sure if he’ll be without both J.J. and Bibby. If it’s just J.J., then Jamal Crawford could get his first start of the season at shooting guard. But Woody didn’t rule out bringing Crawford off the bench, in which case Mo would get the call. If both Bibby and J.J. are out and Woody sticks with his preference for bringing Jamal off the bench, then the rookie Teague would get his first start.
– If the Hawks are serious about catching Orlando (and for that matter announcing themselves as contenders) then what you saw against the Pistons is how they need to look like for maybe 12 of their 17 games remaining.
The Hawks got after it on defense. They worked for good shots, controlled the tempo and played with energy. The Hawks jumped an inferior opponent (the standings say they’ve got lots of those left) and when the Pistons tried to make their inevitable run they let them know they weren’t going to rise up on that night.
That’s the blueprint.
“That was the perfect game for us down the line,” Josh said, “except for the turnovers.”
Could it mean the Hawks finally have figured out how to impose their will from the jump?
“If it becomes consistent, then I think so,” Smoove said. “But you really can’t gauge it from one game.”
It’s not easy to stay up in the NBA. The season is long. Bodies are tired and banged up (see J.J. and Bibby). The schedule can be rough (like those four games in six days coming up for the Hawks).
“It’s tough,” Al said. “But you realize every other team is like that as well, and a lot of these other teams aren’t playing for anything. You really have to focus in and get up and get motivated.”
Woody said he understands what it’s like for players at this time of year. He used to be one of them, after all. But as the coach of a team trying to make a breakthrough, Woody wants the kind of effort he saw Saturday more than just here and there.
“It comes down to who wants it the most,” he said. “We’ve shown signs over the last two years how much we really want it. Look back two years ago (in the playoffs), then the jump we made from that point to get to the next round last year. We could have quit in Miami when we lost homecourt advantage but they didn’t’ quit. They wanted to get to the second round and they made it happen.”
Now the Hawks want to win the division. They are 3.5 games back of Orlando with 17 to play so they’ll need Orlando to stagger a bit. And staying in front of Boston for No. 3 is becoming more important because the Bucks are looking like a team the Hawks don’t want to see in the first round.
The Hawks can’t control what the Magic does, except for that final meeting on March 24 at Philips. For that matter, they really can’t worry too much about where they end up in the playoffs bracket when they are still trying to perfect that blueprint.
“We’ve got to just get focused and get through the regular season and we will figure out that (playoffs) part then,” Woody said.
– Pick my Cardinals over Cal in your bracket because they always follow a bad game with a good one. That also means don’t be tempted to pick them to beat Duke, though nothing would make me happier (a first-round loss for that team in Lexington would be a close second).
MC
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Mike W
March 15th, 2010
4:06 pm
1st,1st, with joe out we finally get to see what teague co do with more than 5mins on the court
ant banks
March 15th, 2010
4:18 pm
dam i almost made it first
PMC
March 15th, 2010
4:20 pm
Probably a good thing really pre playoffs that Woodson will be forced into playing Teague more and the young fella knows he has to play well for them to win these needed games.
o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o
March 15th, 2010
4:23 pm
You know, if JJ and/or Bibby miss some time, I would be interested to see how the team works. I’m not big on Marvin by any stretch, but If memory serves me correct, he stepped up when people missed time last year or the year before.
Would he step up again? How would the team flow on offense?
Without them, I think the Hawks might play a REAL run and gun style that suits them best anyway.
Teague, Josh, Crawford, Mo, Marvin and Horford all out and running would be fun to watch without a billion ISO Joes and Bibby slowly hopping around like he’s skipping. It would atleast be interesting to see.. with guys finally getting more PT, guys playing bigger roles, and just how things play out overall.
Westurd
March 15th, 2010
4:29 pm
someone answer me this? What are Teagues strengths?
I’ve been rallying for more Teague time all season, but finally realized he is soft and out of control and is no were near (if ever) ready to run a team? Seriously, why are we still fighting for more Teague time……..oh, and that jump shot ouch…Makes Marios jumpers look Jordan!
Westurd
March 15th, 2010
4:30 pm
With Woodys hand forced due to JJ’s injury its make it or break it time for Teague……..good luck rook
i_am_soulstar
March 15th, 2010
4:30 pm
Hate to lose Bibby and JJ (both out at the same time?? maybe they’re playing hooky) but it just might be a blessing in disguise. Forces Woody’s hand on different bench rotations, and allows the fans to see if Teague can really get down for the better part of 48 minutes. I still hope we play inside-out ball.
I wonder if ball movement will be better with JJ out?
MannyT
March 15th, 2010
4:31 pm
I hope Crawford stays as 6th man during these injuries. It will put some pressure on the other guys to perform with the first unit. It should also add more ball movement to the offense. I’d be quite surprised to see a bunch of ISO – Mo!
I think the real pressure will be in backing up Marvin. That often fell to Joe. If the opposing SF has size, we have problems…especially in Toronto.
BWAF
MsDee
March 15th, 2010
4:44 pm
I believe Teague with do just fine!! If I had to choose a team to play under these circumstances, I would have picked New Jersey. I hope we dont take the team for granted cause we should definely win this game even w/o JJ and Bibby!
Josh Wilkins Jr.
March 15th, 2010
4:49 pm
Looks like JC will get the start with Mo Evans getting heavy minutes, 20 or so. Looks like Devin Harris will go ape bananas regardless.
Senator Blutarski
March 15th, 2010
4:50 pm
good to rest some players with nagging injuries, so they’ll be fresher come playoff time, plus some other guys will get to sharpen their game with increased minutes–
Ray Ellison
March 15th, 2010
4:58 pm
I have a question for everyone. I just recently got back from the Horn of Africa after a one year tour and I am curious to how the hawks will do. Do they have enough to get to the Eastern Conference Final? I don’t want to say NBA championship as i have a wife who is a die hard laker fan and is looking over my shoulder at this time…lol. Anyway, could Atlanta make noise in the East this year? Also, it seems that each year, the Hawks have improved in regards to their record. Shouldn’t that warrant Woody enough to get a contract extension? I know a lot of people aren’t sold on him, but he has improved the team each year, meaning that the players are actually listening. Any comments would be good. Thanks.
Ree Roe
March 15th, 2010
4:59 pm
Well all you Joe & Bibby bashers finally get your wish. We’ll see how we compete
-REEpeat it to Roe!
Najeh Davenpoop
March 15th, 2010
5:02 pm
This is a blessing in disguise. Both the Nets and the Raptors are very beatable even without Joe, so there’s a chance this doesn’t even affect the Hawks in the standings. More importantly, it’s a golden opportunity for Teague to get time with the starters, and other bench players to build some confidence. The Hawks need to learn how to score points consistently when Joe is not firing on all cylinders, and maybe this will help them figure that out.
At the very least, if the Hawks do beat New Jersey and Toronto, it will be interesting to see the ensuing debate between the pro-Joe and anti-Joe crowd.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 15th, 2010
5:02 pm
Oh yeah, and this is a perfect time of the year for Joe to get some rest too, with the playoffs not too far away.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 15th, 2010
5:05 pm
“What are Teagues strengths?”
Seriously? He’s the only Hawk who can split a double team, he has gotten pretty reliable with that floater in the lane, considering he’s a rookie he does a pretty good job of protecting the ball… he’s not Steph Curry or Brandon Jennings, he needs work on his jumper, but he’s pretty damn good. Good enough to deserve 15-20 minutes per game, anyway.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 15th, 2010
5:06 pm
Co-sign Mac and MannyT. I’d like to see Marvin step up and fill some of the void, and it would benefit the team as a whole to have Crawford in his familiar 6th man role.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 15th, 2010
5:10 pm
“And staying in front of Boston for No. 3 is becoming more important because the Bucks are looking like a team the Hawks don’t want to see in the first round.”
The Bucks happen to be hot right now, so you’re right, but at different times of the year all the teams from #5-#9 in the East have looked tough. At least the Hawks seem to match up well with Toronto and Chicago, but Miami and Charlotte in particular would be very tough for the Hawks, if they come into the playoffs peaking. I’d probably rather see Milwaukee than either of those two teams, actually.
tjhook
March 15th, 2010
5:34 pm
this is the week where Woodson will make some money or be exposed for his lack of offensive strategy. And Teague I believe will do a credible job at the point. And we may see a Othello Hunter sighting at some point this week.
Josh Wilkins Jr.
March 15th, 2010
5:43 pm
I have visions of a Bibby/Crawford duo and it frightens me. Bibby made the flight… he’ll “weasel” his way into the lineup.
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northcyde
March 15th, 2010
6:02 pm
Regardless of what goes down tomorrow night, Woody will still be an idiot, in the eyes of the fans.
- If he doesn’t start Teague . . . IDIOT
- If Teague doesn’t play at least 18 minutes . . . IDIOT
- If Teague struggles . . . IDIOT ( for not having him ready )
- If Teague plays well . . . IDIOT ( for not already playing him more )
- If Mario West plays more than Teague in the 2nd half . . . IDIOT
- If Crawford plays 40+ minutes in a win . . . IDIOT
- If Crawford plays less than 40 minutes in a loss . . . IDIOT
- If Smoove played 40 minutes period . . . IDIOT ( and will be accused of trying to “hurt Smoove”, like he “hurt JJ and Bibby”. )
- If Mo plays more than 25 minutes . . . IDIOT ( because it means that he probably didn’t trust Teague enough )
- If Crawford takes more than 20 shots ( which is highly likely ) . . . IDIOT ( because he simply treated Crawford like he would JJ )
- If Horford doesn’t get more than 15 shots . . . IDIOT
- If Smoove takes more than 5 jumpshots . . . IDIOT
- If Marvin doesn’t score 15 points . . . IDIOT
- If Woody doesn’t play a Zaza – Horford – Smoove lineup at some point in a game . . . IDIOT
IF Woody doesn’t play Collins or Morris . . . IDIOT
********
In the eyes of most fans, Woody’s IDIOT label will not change. And if it ain’t on this list, they’ll find something, to justify calling him a IDIOT.
northcyde
March 15th, 2010
6:08 pm
I predict that Crawford will play 42 minutes and take 24 shots.
Stat Man
March 15th, 2010
6:18 pm
What I saw in the Pistons game was a team without a basket in the first 3 1/2 minutes of the 3rd quarter. A team that managed to get outscored 46-27 to start the 2nd half and let a crappy team once down by 28 get it to single digits AT HOME.
MC – please explain why this is the way they I need to see them play if they are going to catch Orlando.
If you ended it at …see them play in the first half. OK, but once again our coach was “outadjusted” in the 2nd half.
Bottom line – the Hawks need to concentrate on the #3 spot, not Orlando. You get the #3, then AND ONLY THEN, you go for the #2 spot. You can’t win 5 in a row all tonight – and trying to catch a team 4 games up on you with only 17 to play will elicit that mentality.
I say it’s good JJ is out! (1) We get to see more of our bench & (2) we get to prove or disprove we can win or not without him. Just be thankful the two he figures to miss are against the worst team in the NBA (and if we lose to a team with a .106 winning %, then Woody should be fired on the spot) and a Toronto team that has lost 9 of it’s last 10.
ant banks
March 15th, 2010
6:25 pm
i see boston droppin’ to the 5th seed and milwaukee movin’ to the 4th!! you heard it here first!!! they are scarry. as a result, i think that they will move michael redd. do the hawks want michael redd this summa?
Big Ray
March 15th, 2010
6:30 pm
LOL @ Northcyde’s 6:02 pm post. That was a good one…
Big Ray
March 15th, 2010
6:33 pm
This is a good opportunity for minutes for Teague, but what are the expectations for him? Should we expect him to get 20 points and 10 assists? Anybody who unequivocally supports Woody by bashing Teague (and this isn’t everybody who supports Woody, so don’t go there) will take any chance they can get, waiting for Teague to fail or otherwise fail to dazzle. One game does not a player make.
He played well against New Jersey earlier, but I’m expecting solid, not spectacular play. We’ll see what happens. He should get more than 10 minutes this time around, provided he is not stinking it up out there. If he stinks it up, then of course he will go to the bench. Nothing unreasonable about that…
ant banks
March 15th, 2010
6:33 pm
BIG RAY,
looks like we will have the 3rd seed locked up. what do you think about the “hack-a-howard” strategy when we face them in the 2nd rd? collins, zaza, morris, and horford have 24 fouls between them. anytime they go inside to howard i would foul him. this would slow the game down, get howard frustrated, and possibly win a game for us. WHY WON’T THIS WORK RAY?
ant banks
March 15th, 2010
6:36 pm
as far as y’all sayin’ that woody is givin’ teague the AC LAW treatment…heard a commentator the other day say that this is law’s last year in the league. he sucked on 3 teams, the hawks, gs, and charlotte, so woody was right there. he will play teague when teague IS ready
Astro Joe
March 15th, 2010
6:43 pm
LOL @MannyT… iso-MO. Hilarious.
northcyde, you forgot, this also should mean extended minutes for RandMo to prove that he is the second coming of Olajuwon in the low post. And either his success or failure will result in several bloggers calling Woody an…
Regarding this “I’m glad they’re hurt”…be careful what you ask for.
Astro Joe
March 15th, 2010
6:45 pm
ant banks, you forgot the Chicago Bulls. Law has played on 3 teams THIS season. Or , I should say, he has practiced with 3 teams this season (I don’t think that he actually did much playing).
Benjamin
March 15th, 2010
6:45 pm
Jamal, if you’re reading, I know something about you.
You’ve scored 50 with three different teams, right?
Tomorrow night… big minutes vs. the Nets… make it four…..
Go Hawks.
Ken Strickland
March 15th, 2010
6:48 pm
NORTHCYDE-sounds like you’re finally beginning to get the picture, except you have yet to realize it. People, don’t get your hopes up about Teague’s chances of getting extended mins. Woodson will make every effort to limit his mins and prevent him from showing Bibby up, mark my words. He’ll split his mins with MWest at PG, and jump down Teagues throat whenever he makes the slightest mistake.
Even though he’s a rookie, there’s no possible way Woodson will give Teague the same leeway that he routinely gives Bibby to play through his mistakes and bad judgement. And trust me, as bad as Bibby has played this yr, that’s proven to be a whole lot of leeway.
Teague will have to play error free basketball and not be too spectacular in his overall play in order to get extended mins. Isn’t it amazing that with only 17gms remaining in the season, Woodson can’t decide what he’ll do or who he’ll start at PG? TALK ABOUT A HC WITHOUT A DAMNED CLUE!
Josh Wilkins Jr.
March 15th, 2010
6:53 pm
Acie should not be compared to Teague. Law had the gall to be pictured with a beer belly somebody posted here some time ago, hahahah.
Blast
March 15th, 2010
6:55 pm
Good test for Woody and team playing without Joe and maybe Bibby. Hawks actually move the ball better without Joe.
Would love to see Jamal go for 50.
Go HAwks!
Ken Strickland
March 15th, 2010
6:55 pm
BIG RAY-Why suggest Teague be pulled and his mins limited for stinking up the court when Bibby has been doing it for most of the yr, and his mins and opportunities to work through it haven’t been jeopardized, even to the detriment of the team?
O'Brien
March 15th, 2010
6:56 pm
I remember one game earlier in the year against New Orleans, when Bibby got injured in the first 5 minutes, and did not play for the rest of the game. Teague only received 5 minutes PT, while Collison and the NO guards ripped us apart.
However, that was early in the season, and JJ was playing, so Woody can go either way with Teague’s PT, if Bibby does not play.
I dont mind JJ being out, because he can use the rest, and we are playing lesser teams.
If JJ is out, I would like to see Woody start Mo at SG (which is his natural position anyway), and bring Crawford off the bench.
If Bibby and JJ are both out, I’m not sure which way to go. Do you start Teague and Mo so that we can bring Crawford off the bench? I guess you could, and just run the offense through our front court.
Teague should get more minutes, so I hope he plays solid enough to give Woody the confidence to give him more PT as the season continues. But I’m sure if he doesn’t play well, people will say “See, thats why Woody does not play him”.
MC,
The Bucks are hot right now, but their one loss was to the Hawks. I think the Bobcats are the team that could give the Hawks the most trouble. If the game is close, LB will outcoach Woody, and if the Bobcats are healthy, they are deep (bigs and guards), and can get hot from the outside.
That being said, if the Hawks play up to their potential, the Bobcats (or any first round opponent) will be lucky to win 2 games against us.
The Truth
March 15th, 2010
7:14 pm
This maybe a time when:
The 13 man roster makes no sense
The lack of bench utilization might back-fire
The Teague development factor will take center stage
Woody coaching (in general) takes center stage
PMC
March 15th, 2010
7:37 pm
I’m not certain what Teagues strengths are either, but he needs the practice in case he’s called on to produce in the playoffs. I mean they thought highly enough of him to draft him so it’s time for him to step up and start producing. Hopefully he’s good with the ball and distributing.
PMC
March 15th, 2010
7:40 pm
I’m not here to bash anyone. I support the team. Injuries happen though and this is a perfect time for these guys to step up and show what they can do making a run at Orlando for that 2 seed and the division. Here is the opportunity and it’s not against Lebron… it’s New Jersey.
Mike is Back
March 15th, 2010
7:46 pm
Well between HS basketball playoff and flu bug…I have not been able to see any games lately…sorry to hear about the injuries to JJ and Bibby.
If given the opportunity to start…I think Teague will be fine…if nothing else it will be a great learning experience for him. I also think Marvin will step up…he will move up the food chain with JJ out.
I agree with the sentiment that the Hawks should concentrate on locking down the third spot…they will still get a better draw than fourth. I think the toughness match up for the Hawks in the first round is definitely the Heat…the reason I say that is because Wade will get his Super Star calls like last year…as long as the Hawks have home court advantage…they can make it out of the first round.
GO TEAGUE, AND GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MAD-DONNA
March 15th, 2010
7:58 pm
northcyde, if you’re a Woody fan, then your an idiot!
Barry
March 15th, 2010
8:09 pm
Hey Y’all:
This the final stretch of the regualar season. Teams in the NBA need to be real afraid of playing our HAWKS. I still believe we have need seen the best out of this team. This team is playing primarily without a center and is not far from leading in the Eastern Conference. This is a complement to the type of young, atheletic smart players they have on this team. I am more than confident this team knows how to hype each other up for games. With a little nastiness from Woody on that end is all this young, knitty, gritty, hawk team needs. This is going to be FUN to watch. The Hawks are going to be a DANGEROUS team for everybody in the league and everybody in the league knows it. THE HAWKS ARE GREAT WHEN THEY PLAY TEAM BALL. Being a New Yorker, they remind me of the old Knick team with Walt Frazier, Bill Bradley, Dave Debuscher, Willis Reed, Cassie Russell, Mike Bibby, Earl Monroe, etc. That team was not the biggest in the league, with an average size center, but man, when they moved that ball around and hit the open man, who were definite sharp shooters, they burnt everybody in the league toward their NBA championship. And yes, DEFENSE was their staple point. This Hawk team is a mirror image of that team but they have to move that ball around and hit the open man, like POETRY IN MOTION, and STING that shot. Most of the games the HAWKS won this season they have done that. the games they have lost, they played more “ONE ON ONE ” basketball throughout the game. It is good sometimes in certain situations, but definitely not all the time “WITH THIS TEAM!!”. This is a “POETRY IN MOTION” team that plays EXCELLENT DEFENSE”. The HAWKS have to move the ball efficiently and quickly, RUN AND GUN, and PLAY DEFENSE and we are the NBA CHAMPIONS. WE CAN DO IT!! AND IT IS GOING TO BE A JOY AND PLEASURE TO WATCH. These Hawks are ready. LET’S TAKE IT TO THEM AND
“SHOCK THE WORLD!!!”
GO HAWKS!! LETS MOVE WITH “POETRY IN MOTION” AND DEFENSE. LET’S “SHOCK THE WORLD!!!!!”
SSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is a SECRET from a HAWK FAN. TELL EVERBODY!!!!
…………………………………..”SHOCK THE WORLD!!!”……………………………….>
The Truth
March 15th, 2010
8:41 pm
Watching this Celtic – Piston game; sure glad we didn’t chase Charlie V. This guy really sucks on defense and has been struggling on offense as well.
Samuel
March 15th, 2010
9:14 pm
HC without a clue holding down the 3rd spot in the East? Who’s the idiot here?
Fire Teague Now Express
March 15th, 2010
9:18 pm
Northcyde’s 6:02 pm post. That was a good one…?
Actually The AJC ran a pole to and asked if fans thought the Hawks could win a championship with Woodson and the answer was an emphatic yes almost 70%.
Its only in this Klavern of hate that is so ignorantly opposed to Woodson and the hawks.
drmaryb
March 15th, 2010
9:18 pm
NORTHCYDE 609 PM POST:
Great Stuff …. Nuff – Said! OMG! I can go to sleep now… Nite-Nite to all the haters!
You got your Wish!
No Jj
No Bibby
LOL! I suspect these may be PHANTOM INJURIES to give the People what they want.
So, when the team regresses You can all SHUT-UP! Oh my bad…there’s still to bash & gouge!
-sniggles-
drmaryb
March 15th, 2010
9:24 pm
Correction for TYPO:
OMG! My bad..there’s still Woody (The MAN w/a CHAMPIONSHIP – RING!). Still on the bench.
So all the haters can still bash & gouge the village IDIOT till the end!
(Compliments of NORTHcYDE). N-Side… U. ROCK. MAN!
Fire Teague Now Express
March 15th, 2010
9:50 pm
Teague’s strengths are tour overs and pine riding!
Fire Teague Now Express
March 15th, 2010
9:50 pm
turnovers
Hawk n the Ham
March 15th, 2010
10:13 pm
This means only ONE thing!!
SUPER MARIO – ISO!!!!!!!!!!!
Hawk n the Ham
March 15th, 2010
10:14 pm
BTW…… What’s a ‘Tour Over’?
Delbert D.
March 15th, 2010
10:15 pm
Give Zaza some more minutes and let him knock the slobber out of ‘em down inside.
Delbert D.
March 15th, 2010
10:15 pm
‘Tour Over’ is the PGA without Tiger, I guess.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 15th, 2010
10:31 pm
If Teague plays 30 minutes, I think a fair, on-the-conservative-side expectation for him is something along the lines of 4/10 shooting, 1/2 3’s, 2/2 FTs, 11 points, 8 assists, 2 steals, and 3 turnovers. Against these pathetic defensive teams he’s facing, I think a better shooting line is possible, but I’ll try to keep my expectations reasonable.
Wabe
March 15th, 2010
10:52 pm
I hope the JJ injury isn’t too serious. Same with Bibby. We’ll need both come playoff time.
As for the Teague issue, I think that fans are and will always be disappointed until they see Woody portray some type of commitment to developing a young PG. It’s obvious Bibby’s losing steps as we speak, so it’s in our best interest to get the rookie fine-tuned. I’m looking forward to seeing him get extended minutes in NJ, and I hope he shows glimpses to Woody, his teammates, and all his haters that he can and will be a stud at PG for this team in the coming years.
Wabe
March 15th, 2010
10:56 pm
And Najeh, I don’t think ANYBODY can walk away disappointed if JT0 were to register that stat line. In all honesty, that stat line looks a lot better than the ones Bibby has been putting up all season. Bibby gives us those type of stat lines all the time nowadays, and we tend to think of that as a good night for Bibby.
NUNNA YO BIZNEZZ
March 15th, 2010
11:02 pm
MAD-DONNA,
I 2ND THAT STATEMENT..
WOODY RIDER!!!!
the only way that teague will do well and play the point,is when CRAWFORD works his way to get open for a pass from TEAGUE..
no more teague giving the ball to jamaal and teague running to the side and out of the way..
like someone’s little brother playing with the big boys..
Im so suprised that no one on here has even brought it up..
Jamal Crawford 1st 15 games with us were a breath of fresh air.He passed to the open man,he knew that driving the ball into the lane could open up his and this team over all game..going inside 1st and working our way outside 2nd was a much needed change..
Now,it seems the more he plays,the more he looks like everyone else on the team..He is even doing the iso joe(even though not as much) when he and his teamates should be sharing the ball consistently,learning how to play against a zone,and
Grandad
March 15th, 2010
11:19 pm
Cosign with Najeh & Ken Strickland concerning Jeff Teague.
[Cosign] Does that mean the same as ditto?
westurd – adding to What ND has already said:
He’s [Teague] the quickest player on the team. [quickness = a strength]
Which can result in many possible uses to help the team.
Sybil – Where do you get those AYAK terms. [klavern]
I have to go to wikipeddia to look up that crap.
Then you call us the ‘Bubba Crew’. Affectionately of course.
Wdsn:
“I’ve always said when somebody goes down it gives somebody else a chance to step up and play,” *[True]* Woody said before J.J. was
officially ruled out.
“That’s why I tell guys they’ve always got to be ready.”
He tells ‘em that. But in Teaguer’s case you reckon ‘experience’
may help MORE Than just sayin’ it.
Predicted starting line-up:
[1] Bibby *if healthy *[1] Jamal – if not
[2] Mario
[3] Marv
[4] Josh
[5] Al
* If Jamal starts – Mo becomes 6th man.
* Teague – plays roughly 12 min. give or take. (depending on Bibby)
* Wishful thinking – Jamal goes for 50 4th time/4th team.
NUNNA YO BIZNEZZ
March 15th, 2010
11:27 pm
im looking forward to a teague burn heavy game..
one thing i disagree with all on is,i think he will have more assists than points..
13-16 dimes,10 points,3-6 steals,and 5 fouls..
if u ever notice when he comes in most games,he gets assists right off the bat during the 1st or 2nd play he runs..well,right before crawford comes over for the ball and sends teague to the corner..
for,time out
jj
March 15th, 2010
11:29 pm
I wish we had picked up a veteran PG for the bench because you should always be prepared for injuries and I would feel better letting Bibby rest and giving JT valuable playing time.I give JJ and Bibby grief,but we need them healthy and fresh for this final push and playoffs.Our remaining schedule is not nothing to take for granted because it is not as easy as some of our rivals.
welikebaseball2
March 15th, 2010
11:36 pm
Nunna Yo Biznezz: True about Crawford. Of course the Woodson supporters will say I’m bashing, but it’s Woodson’s doing. When your whole offense is centered around iso plays, you’re going to push your scorers to hang onto the ball. I remember it being said that Woodson was after Crawford about how much he needed him to be a scorer as opposed to a passer.
This from Sports Illustrated…
“Winning was the great mystery, and throughout the preseason, Crawford worried about ruining a good thing. He was wary of acting like a black hole until Woodson ordered him to score aggressively after Crawford went 1-for-3 in the Hawks’ opening-night win over the Wizards.”
Big Ray
March 15th, 2010
11:39 pm
Grandad ,
Tried answering you on the last blog. Long story short: I was kidding with you. Big time…
Ant Banks ,
You got me there. I think part of the problem is that the three-headed hack-a-Howard monster has major issues when it comes to the switch defense. We can just approach the game against the Magic with the idea of simply fouling Howard to death. Because we employ the switch defense for the majority of the game, we have to have guys in there who can switch up and guard positions other than their own. Josh Smith and Al Horford have the uncanny lateral quickness and instincts to play up on the perimeter on a switch. Zaza, Jason, and Randolph DO NOT. And, all three are inferior rebounders/shot blockers/pretty much everything when compared to Josh and Al. So, we’re stuck with trying to do something else, I think.
Don’t ask me what ….
Big Ray
March 15th, 2010
11:49 pm
welikebaseball2 ,
Great point. Tried bringing that up earlier, but it gets ignored every time or labeled “hatred” by fanatical “supporters.” At the same time, Crawford IS there to score. I just don’t see how that has to mean less ball movement.
Najeh ,
I don’t see anything unreasonable about that stat line for Teague. Check out what he did against the Nets in the first two games against them this season….
Ken Strickland ,
In my mind, Teague playing horribly means getting into foul trouble, blowing one defensive assignment after another, and turning the ball over a lot. If he’s doing all that and we’re losing because of it, why keep him in the game? I know that Bibby has done his fair share of blowing defensive assignments or simply not impeding his opponent’s progress. However, he has one of the league’s best assist/turnover ratios, and he rarely gets into bad foul trouble. The biggest thing is taking care of the ball. Again, if Teague turns it over, and that is causing us to lose to a team we should be (and have) squashing, then how do you justify it? Let Teague play no matter what, and lose to the Nets? I think not.
Truth Serum ,
Teague is averaging 0.7 turnovers per game. Fire him for that ? Nah, man.
This is what Woody thinks about him:
Jeff Teague: Head Coach Woodson Gives High Praise.
Update: Coach Mike Woodson’s comments on Teague on Monday seem to indicate the rookie has a bright future with Atlanta the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports. “I feel good about Teague and what he brings to the table,” Woodson said. “Eventually Teague will run this team, I think. But I don’t have to throw him to the wolves like I did those other guys.”
Analysis: Teague had a pretty good preseason and proved he can put up points when he wants to. However, with the Hawks’ starters playing so well and with Atlanta contending for a high seed in the playoffs, Teague won’t get much of an opportunity barring an injury.
NUNNA YO BIZNEZZ
March 15th, 2010
11:57 pm
you all know how woody is stuck on his ways with this team,right??
my prediction is he will play these guys on the 6-7 man rotation with craw,marvin,j-smoove,zsa zsa,horford,smith all playing 35+minutes..and teague getting his usual minutes..
he’ll get the last of qtr.#1,and the beginning of qtr.#2,and only garbage minutes in the 2nd half..
if we’re blowing out nj or toronto,then he’ll get at least 9-11 minutes of burn in da second half..if its close and we are losing,he’ll play the before mentioned like its a playoff game and we won’t see teague hardly any..
woody’s excuse will be that he did not want to lose the game and he did not feel teague was ready..
and u know what?? he and this team won’t be ready as long as he is the head coach
NUNNA YO BIZNEZZ
March 16th, 2010
12:16 am
Big Ray,
throwing jt to the wolves means just that,throwing him to the wolves.
He is not playing him 40+minutes and letting him learn on the fly!!!
thats throwing him into the wolves!!
woody is not fooling me with that statement,he is fooling yall!!..if teague is as good as he says he is,he would be smart enough to know his players strengths and put him into games that he should shine in and play well..but he does not do that..
he wags his finger in the kids face,he fusses at him for crap that he lets bibby and even crawford get away with..
i have not looked at the schedule to see if both are road games,and if they are and he plays his usual players 35+minutes,look for us to lose 1 of these games..
and lets not forget that the nets have looked good on the road against some good teams..
they will play the hawks tough on tomorrow nite..
i don’t see this being a blow out at all..and with sun and mon off,we’re gonna come out in quicksand if its the same old same old..but,if he is using his bench and getting players minutes showing they have something to prove by him stting them on da bench,i.e.randmo,collins,west,then look for us to win both games
Grandad
March 16th, 2010
12:19 am
Big Ray:
We’re cool.
I saw your post on the last blog.
My 1st reaction to the original post was: “huh”?
I asked my youngest lad the difference between
sarcasm & satire’, he said they were cousins.
After re-reading, I was able to ‘Peel back the onion’.
Sorry, that one got used alot yesterday by CBS,
after the selection committee, boinked Miss. St.
[I'm a little bias, CRS is a friend of mine.]
Back to the subject at hand, you may have noticed, later on
that evening, I posted that you were always cordial.
So, a long winded, we’re cool.
NUNNA YO BIZNEZZ
March 16th, 2010
12:28 am
p.s. big ray,
sorry for the exclamation points,im not fussing..
nite all
Ken Strickland
March 16th, 2010
12:30 am
BIG RAY-In all honesty, Bibby doesn’t play enough DEF or get close enough to anyone to get into foul trouble. If you’ll notice, most of his fouls come from grabbing the player as he blows by him. As far as his low turnover rate is concerned, when you don’t penetrate, spend most of your time near the 3pt line, take very few risks, and handle the ball no more than 50% of the time, it’s not hard to limit your turnovers.
If Teague played as many mins as Bibby, spent most of his time near the 3pt line and didn’t penetrate or handle the ball more than 50% of the time, I’ll bet his assist to TO ratio would be better than Bibby’s. I like Bibby as a player and don’t blame him for his problems. However, his limited OFF/DEF production and lack of consistency doesn’t warrant him averaging 27MPG. He could be just as effective, if not more so, averaging 12-15MPG, while Teague should get 18-20MPG.
It looks like we’ll have to settle for the 4th seed in the East again. The only way we can get a higher seed is by winning our division, and we all know that won’t happen. So, it looks like a replay of last yrs playoff seeding for us, except there’s a good chance we won’t get past the 1st rd this time.
Truth-Serum
March 16th, 2010
12:30 am
Teague is averaging 9 minutes a game. If he played 45 minutes (45/9) x.7 = 3.5 t.o per game.
He is a lousy shooter 37%
And he doesnt understand the game, How to set players up, run an offense or break down a defense or when to do either. He plays like the 7th point guard drafted in last years draft. He just doesnt have good basketball sense.
What, did you expect coach woodson to come out and berate a player in public or give a vote of confidence?
Truth-Serum
March 16th, 2010
12:32 am
Big Ray?
Truth-Serum
March 16th, 2010
12:30 am
Truth-Serum
March 16th, 2010
12:38 am
Mike bibby career T.O. 2.31 this year 1.18
Teague is averaging 9 minutes a game. If he played 45 minutes (45/9) x.7 = 3.5 t.o per game.
You were saying Ken…?
Sleepy
March 16th, 2010
12:44 am
NUNNA YO BIZNEZZ- you are tripping I dont know why you would believe that a rookie will get the same treatment as a veteran on a nba playoff team.
Crawford assist numbers are actually going up and Im sorry on a team that struggles to get to the line I want the guy who gets to the line and shoots the best percentage to have the ball more . Thats not being selfish its called common sense .
There is absolutely NOTHING that Teague brings to the table that would make me sacrifice what Crawfords brings right now . Anyone who goes that route is kidding themselves and dont have a clue .
When Crawford is in the game in the second quarter hes the primary option unless the other bench plays show they are into the game when they do they all get shots and touches.
Crawford doesnt need Teague to create a shot for him he can do that for himself and even though Crawford is top ten in 3 pt fg made I dont want him spotting up for jumpshots when Joe is not in the game .I want him attacking the rim and breaking defenders down and getting into the lane .
I want Teague to play but I also want to win the game more than I want Teague to play right now . The next two games are road games and I wouldnt start him but I would play him plenty of minutes off the bench
Truth-Serum
March 16th, 2010
12:52 am
Good post Sleepy!
Truth-Serum
March 16th, 2010
12:54 am
3AJC ran poll to ask
Truth-Serum
March 16th, 2010
12:54 am
*AJC ran poll to ask
Grandad
March 16th, 2010
1:22 am
Truth Serum:
I just conducted my own poll:
* 100% said Teague should get more playing time.
* 50% said Bibby should not start.
* 50% said Teague should start.
* 100% thought Jamal should start.
* There are only two people in the poll.
* They both like Marvin.
* One thinks Al should be a [4].
* They are divided on whether Joe should be traded.
* Hmmmmmmm…….
Now that’s a riddle, wrapped up in a conundrum, shrouded in mystery?
Can you figure out the answer?
Big Ray
March 16th, 2010
1:25 am
Sleepy ,
Crawford and Teague are playing two different positions, so I don’t see the point in this argument. Teague is the pg, Crawford is the sg. End of story. Putting Teague in place of Crawford makes no sense for that reason alone. Who was calling for that to happen?
Truth Serum ,
No, I don’t expect Woody to berate a player. But he is far more positive about Teague before they drafted him, and now that he’s on the team, than he has been about any of the young guards who have come here before. Sorry, but Woody is a straight up guy. He says what he means, and means what he says. He’s not a liar or a politician. So if he says he likes Teague, then that’s what he means, no matter how inconvenient it might be for a particular argument. Or are you calling him a two-faced type of guy who will say one thing to one guy, then another behind his back? If Woody thought Teague didn’t have any skills worth mentioning, he’d say “well, he has things he needs to work on”, and leave it at that. Dude doesn’t speak with a forked tongue….
As for Teague averaging 3.5 TO per game if he played 45 minutes, you can’t be guaranteed of that. But let’s use the math you used anyway. The kid also averages 1.6 assists per game. So if he played 45 minutes, he would also average 8 assists per game. I’d take that from a rookie guard who was the 7th best pg in the draft. That’s twice as many assists as Bibby is averaging this year….
Grandad
March 16th, 2010
1:25 am
TS:
Oh yeah, I never asked the question.
According to the poll:
Who should start?
Big Ray
March 16th, 2010
1:30 am
Nunna Yo Bizznez,
It’s all good. I understood where you were coming from. Woody isn’t fooling me one bit. Dude is old school, and he believes that Teague should learn slowly. Since Bibby isn’t completely washed up, why not? Do I believe that Teague should get more minutes than he does? Yeah, I do. But I’m not asking him to start this season or play 30+ per game. Just my opinion.
Ken Strickland ,
Woody has already admitted to deploying the defense in such a way that he can “hide” two of his guys on defense (that would be Bibby and Crawford, for those who don’t know). I know Bibby doesn’t defend well and isn’t the penetrator he was years ago. What can I say? I don’t think he should be limited to 15 mpg, though. Now next year is a whole different animal. If Woody was going to play Teague close to 20 mpg and Bibby around the same amount, he should have done it a couple months or more ago. Now, it’s too late for that, and the change could cause problems.
Big Ray
March 16th, 2010
1:32 am
Grandad ,
Glad to hear it.
By the way, have you ever figured out why it’s always the starting center’s fault that the starting pg can’t guard his own position? I’ve been trying to wrap my brain around that one for a while….
Big Ray
March 16th, 2010
1:33 am
Interesting. So Teague is shooting just 37% from the field.
Well maybe he’ll grow up one day and be able to shoot a dazzling 41% from the field. I mean, that’s what Mike Bibby is shooting….
O'Brien
March 16th, 2010
7:39 am
Heard on the radio this morning that Deron Williams (the Jazz PG) has 35 double doubles this year (I assume they’re points and assists). Wow.
Agreed with Ken. Bibby’s Asst/TO ratio is misleading, because he doesn’t handle the ball as much as the traditional PG (he carries the ball up the court, and then hands off, while standing around by the 3 point line), and his defense is horrible.
Also, Bibby does does not penetrate and break defenses down. He has attempted 66 FT (in 63 games) this year. 66 FT attempts from your starting PG? To compare, Teague has attempted 38 FT in 56 games (and limited appearances).
We need more penetration from a PG, because that would help our offense out, and might lead to fouls on the opposing bigs. So even with our guards playing well, I think Woody should have done a better job of bringing Teague along, because he could have been an asset in the playoffs, especially if Bibby struggles.
But this late in the season, the focus should be on winning games and finishing as #2 or #3 (even if they dont win the division, they can still be the #3 seed). So Woody has to monitor Teague’s minutes if he is turning the ball over or making silly mistakes.
Ray,
When we play Orlando, assuming Josh or Al get in foul trouble for hacking Howard, what’s wrong with playing man to man when ZaZa, Jason or RandMo is in the game? I would say play Teague as well, so he can apply ball pressure during some of those minutes?
The problem is Woody has become so one dimensional with the switching, it’s like he has no other defensive strategies.
WonderDawg
March 16th, 2010
8:20 am
You knew this would happen with the minutes JJ has been piling up. Woody better ease up on Al’s and Josh’s minutes, or they will start to break down …
Truth-Serum
March 16th, 2010
8:38 am
Grand-dad? or Grand – ad? that is the question!
I appreciate you ray, Im sure at some point your contention that Woodson is unpolished as a speaker and personal manager well get traction, perhaps at a bubba crew convention. I have no problems with the “politically correct”, choice of wording….
Are you saying you have been a fly on the wall in the confidential discussions that take place between him and management/ownership? Well buzz buzz buzz!
Yes, we agree 37% shooting is awful!
Unless teague shows some basketball wisdom I dont see him leading any team in the NBA, not just Woodson’s team. We can pick up free agents with more court wisdom than teague at this point.
That said, maybe next year the kid can compete for more time…hes still not ready and its not his time yet.
Be patient. I do agree with Woodson. Hell get his chance. I just hope hes smarter than he has been.
Terrell
March 16th, 2010
8:51 am
WonderDawg,
Are you serious? JJ is averaging 38 mpg this year. His mpg has gone down every year he has bee with us, and then Smith and Horford average 35 mpg. There are 10 guys that average more minutes than JJ and 40 guys that average more minutes than Smith and Horford.
Terrell
March 16th, 2010
8:53 am
Truth-Serum
I think you’re highly mistaken about Horfod and his Defense. He has done more than hold his own at the defensive side of the floor
darrell starks
March 16th, 2010
8:58 am
This exactly what happen when your players exert so many min, but fortunately the hawks have been bless the past 2 season with non big time injuries, and this is one of the reason woody jobs have been save so far.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
tidog
March 16th, 2010
9:09 am
Most of the high profile college point guards that come into the league really can play at this level. They were immensely successful collegiates and were drafted pretty high. Teague is no exception the success these guys have. He took over from Chris Paul at Wake in the ACC and picked #1. The kid can play the game just like Collison, Lawson, Curry, Jennings, Paul, Williams and have success. Playing time = confidence=contribution=team success=individual success.
darrell starks
March 16th, 2010
9:11 am
You have 2 develop your bench woody,last year at the end of the season horford and marvin was injuried and joe was burn out, and the hawks was hopeless in the playoffs because of the lack of development from the bench during the season, but yet woody continue not 2 develop teague or his bench but so far woody has been lucky with no injuries, but time will tell for woody becuase one day he will be force 2 use his bench and then the snake will bite him in the ass.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
Sautee
March 16th, 2010
9:12 am
The TRUE reality check came yesterday when northcyde posted the stats that showed Al Horford as a top 5 defender against other centers.
Al was #1 in the league in fewest points / 48 min scored against him by opposing centers.
That’s #1. The best in the league.
Which of course means that Woody has NO NEED to hide him.
AtlSouthside
March 16th, 2010
9:32 am
Who cares what happens. I’m just ready for the next 17 games to go by so we can see what we’ve all been waiting for (the playoffs). Philips Arena is bananas during the postseason!!
The Truth
March 16th, 2010
9:36 am
Teague, the student, has picked-up a lot of Bibby’s bad habits:
He’s now walking the ball up the court (like Bibby) instead of pushing and attacking as he did earlier. Even if he decides to pull back and run a set play, at least he was breaking down the defense for easy offense opportunity. I’m not sure who’s got him playing passive like this. Is it self-induced, learning from Bibby or Woody barking at him? Perhaps this is why he doesn’t look as good as the other progressing rookie PGs. He is playing way too cautious. This style of play seems to be contrary to his natural instincts. In other words, Teague is trying to be something (or somebody) that he is not. His game might be suffering trying to please Woody (for more PT).
The Truth
March 16th, 2010
9:46 am
Speaking of Al Horford:
Here is a revealing
chart I customized comparing Al Horford and 3 other top centers. Since I was only limited to a total of 4 centers in the comparison, I selected Dwight Howard, Andrew Bogart and Brandon Haywood along with Al Horford in the sample. What’s revealing is that this chart presents advance measurements that exposed player detail performance factors not previously discussed
If you look under the advance chart and find these categories:
ORtg = Offense Rating; An Estimate of points produced or scored per 100 possessions
DRtg = Defense Rating; An Estimate of points allowed per 100 possessions
OWS = Offense Win Shares; An Estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player due to his offense
DWS = Defense Win Shares; An Estimate of the number of win contributed by a player due to his defense
WS = Win Shares; An estimate of wins contributed by a player
Summary: A mixed bag for Al Horford. A case of the good, the bad and the ugly
ORTg – AL ranked 1 out of 4 (good) (other players not far apart, however)
DRtg – AL ranked 2 out of 4 (good) (however, only slightly better than last two)
OWS – AL ranked 4 out of 4 (bad) (A sizeable gap between Howard and AL)
DWS – AL ranked 4 out of 4 (awful) (A noticeable spread between Al and the rest)
WS – AL ranked 4 out of 4 (bad) (last in this group)
terrell
March 16th, 2010
9:59 am
A blessing in disguise!
Tyler
March 16th, 2010
10:00 am
Teague is a good ball handler and can make plays. He is a “John Wall” with much less talent however, if you will.
terrell
March 16th, 2010
10:05 am
Your’re right Northcyde, Woody’s an idiot.
Melvin
March 16th, 2010
10:06 am
In the spirit of the movie Clash of the Titans “Release the Cracken/Teague” for tonights game…
Ken Strickland
March 16th, 2010
10:39 am
TRUTH SERUM-Nothing personal, but I don’t want to get into a silly debate with you over your penchant for misrepresenting facts. You used a 45MPG model to rate Teague, then you compared that to Bibby’s career TO rate, rather than project his TO rate over the same 45MPG you used for Teague. Like I said before, you’re not interested in facts, just getting attention and being recognized.
BIG RAY-We all know nothings going to change with Teague and Bibby as far as mins are concerned. I was just pointing out how we could have been a much better team overall if Woodson had the sense to employ a more equitable distribution of mins between the two and take advantage of what both players had to offer.
I’ll guarantee you Bibby won’t miss more than 1gm, because Woodson is going to insist he return ASAP, and he’ll play him even if he’s limping, like he didn’t earlier in the season when he had ankle problems.
If the playoffs started today we’d end up playing the Bucks, who hold the 5th seed. They will have to hold off the Bobcats and Heat to hold on to the 5th seed.
NUNNA YO BIZNEZZ
March 16th, 2010
10:43 am
truth@9:36am,
right on brother!!
i see the same thing.
but as much as we are barking for teague to play more minutes in the next 2 games,if bibby does play,teague will get his 6-8 minutes in one game and 3-4 in the other..
look for bibbs to play 30+ with crawford in as his back up..
T.C
March 16th, 2010
10:53 am
Northcyde your right on it,woody is questioned from the fans on whatever strategy.When or if another coach comes in the bird organization and be most of the fans liking and fail,i would love to see the fans response then.
NUNNA YO BIZNEZZ
March 16th, 2010
11:04 am
p.s.
first on the second page!!!!!!!
just kidding yall,but,sometimes i wonder if the reason that woody has not developed a PG since he as been here is because of:
A.They are not NBA talent
B.Neither he nor his coaching staff know how to coach up a PG(before u say it,mark price was a shooting guard but did play some point although he was not a natural PG)
C.Maybe he thinks that he does not need a true point to run his offense..
although we had drafted ac law,royal ivey,and now teague,those 3 have been mainly used as other options,and not truly the floor general..
he got who he wanted when we traded for bibby,and now,im thinking,that this could be the reason for my last reason,
D.He simply believes that he knows players better than the GM.
With the exception of the baby hawks,smoove,chills,and marvin and shortly afterwords horford,woody has not given ample playing time nor developed any other rookie or young player..
he and knight we good friends and he might have already had an attitude of,”oh,i know he don’t know what he talking about”towards billy..
and now with sund,im sure he has done some homework on him and knew his record on the success of his draft picks or maybe the lack thereof..so,he is not encouraged at all on playing them or developing them,mr.sund..
and the lastest statement he said about he likes teague,is only to apease sund,thats all..
but i don’t think sund likes the fact that he brought in youth and a bench for the past 2 years for woody and he has yet to utilize either..
this is it for woody..championship win or bust..
i think he is already gone and sund already has his list of candidates ready to call…TODAY
NUNNA YO BIZNEZZ
March 16th, 2010
11:07 am
CORRECTION:
THE PARAGRAPH BEFORE THE FINAL ONE I MADE A TYPE-O
I MEANT TO SAY,”AND THE LATEST”,NOT THE LASTEST..MY BAD
vava74
March 16th, 2010
11:28 am
NUNNA YO BIZNEZZ,
Nice stuff you are smoking:
“B. Neither he nor his coaching staff know how to coach up a PG(before u say it,mark price was a shooting guard but did play some point although he was not a natural PG)”
Mark Price was one of the best PG of his early playing days and his career was better solely on account of a nasty thorn ACL which severely hampered his ability when he was having his best year averaging 16.9ppg on 49% shooting and 10.1apg.
His assists career average of 6.7 per game does not seem as impressive as it should simply because after the injury his minutes per game dropped, finishing off his career at only 29.9 per game.
vava74
March 16th, 2010
11:29 am
“not even better”
Grandad
March 16th, 2010
11:38 am
TS:
Touche.
But as I told you once before, dx2=repetitive & reddunddant.
You do amuse me.
Gooday mate.
Hardy "Flippin" Har
March 16th, 2010
12:07 pm
Man, that chick in the Stein Mart ad sure does look good.
Da Wiz
March 16th, 2010
12:16 pm
Nunna,give it up son cause these no playing non-athletes don’t even have a clue.
They only go by stats when they can’t even relate to the issues that go on between ballers,coaches,and other times the front office. So what do they do? They hit you up with the stats,lol.But to be honest,i bet that vava is one of the many who actually pay and go see these games and think they are knowledgeable after sitting in the stands,lol. Go figure.
Vava,price was a shooting guard in high school and college. And you are right,he did run the point in the pro’s,so it was a mistake on nunna’s part on bringing price in the convo like that. What nunna should have said was,price is the hawks shooting coach and thats what he generally does,is coach them on range,form,and release. How to plant feet for jumpers,how to shoot free throws,etc.
But as far as his criticism on these suckers as coaches,he is on point. They can’t coach. How in the heck can you coach an nba team and they don’t know how to play against a zone? Thats pure T stupid.
Fire them all. This team already has a nice set nucleus in place. josh,crawford,teague,and horford are already in place to build a team around,and i think that by jj out over the next 2 games it will be a repeat performance of what we saw last year before the all star break,we will see marvin step up and make up for the points we lose if jj is gone next year.
we’re not gonna miss this dude.we’re not gonna miss woodson. and im real hyped about what i saw in horford in the all star game. thats this dude game man,to get out there and run. and woodson is holding he,teague,mario,crawdaddy,west,and others even othello hunter,back from doing work.
GeeMack
March 16th, 2010
12:26 pm
NUNNA YO BIZNEZZ
I agree that Teague getting more minutes would probably help our defense.
However in defense of the coaches, it’s hard to tell a man, to do something differen,t when what he’s doing is successful.
With all of the complaints the Hawks fan throw towards Woody; the Hawks are still a top 3 or 4 team in the east. Also they are top 7 or 8 in the league.
The Hawks are on pace to win more games than last year, and duplicate there 1st round success. No matter how it’s sliced the Cavs & Magic are better teams than the Hawks.
Bother have elite star players and the supporting cast is jus t as good if not better.
GeeMack
March 16th, 2010
12:33 pm
Da Wiz
You only fire a winning coach when the team underacheives. This is not the case for the Hawks.
The problem with Hawks fans is we think this team is on par with the Lakers, Magic, Cavs, and they’re not.
vava74
March 16th, 2010
12:39 pm
Da Wiz,
I appreciate your criticism. I had not idea that Price had a background as a shooting guard. I thought that it was his brother Brent who being a mite taller (6′2” if I’m not wrong) converted from SG to PG in the NBA.
However, I did see quite a few games in his prime and his game went well beyond merely shooting.
I am not saying that he was the best guy in world running a team, but he was easily within the top 6/7 PGs in the league back then.
And it’s fact that he is acting just a shooting coach.
Big Ray
March 16th, 2010
1:10 pm
Truth Serum ,
THIS is what I said:
No, I don’t expect Woody to berate a player. But he is far more positive about Teague before they drafted him, and now that he’s on the team, than he has been about any of the young guards who have come here before. Sorry, but Woody is a straight up guy. He says what he means, and means what he says. He’s not a liar or a politician. So if he says he likes Teague, then that’s what he means, no matter how inconvenient it might be for a particular argument. Or are you calling him a two-faced type of guy who will say one thing to one guy, then another behind his back? If Woody thought Teague didn’t have any skills worth mentioning, he’d say “well, he has things he needs to work on”, and leave it at that. Dude doesn’t speak with a forked tongue….
But, you twist my words into this:
I appreciate you ray, Im sure at some point your contention that Woodson is unpolished as a speaker and personal manager well get traction, perhaps at a bubba crew convention. I have no problems with the “politically correct”, choice of wording….
You know what this means? It means that you are so concerned with being right that you are willing to paint a horrible picture of a guy you support. It means you are willing to call Woody “politically correct.” It essentially means you think he’s telling lies when he says that Horford is a good defender and plays his position well. Or that he’s lying when he thinks Teague can take over the team in time, and has the skills to play the game. You can’t even agree with a compliment paid to Woodson. Why? Because it doesn’t support your opinion of two players that you don’t like.
Did it ever occur to you that Woody might believe what he says to be true? No, because then that might mean you are wrong about both players (one for certain). And we just can’t have that, so it’s better for Woody to be a two-faced, sly, smooth-talking, politically correct person who says one thing to management, a totally different thing to the player, and something else entirely in public. Yes, a coach needs to be able to handle the media, management, and players differently, but guess what? He doesn’t have to tell lies to do that.
Woody thinks Teague can play, and can take over the team in time. Woody thinks Horford plays his position well, and rebounds and defends well. But, since that can’t be true, tell us what Woody is REALLY thinking and telling management. I’ve never claimed to know what goes on in discussions with management. But obviously you know that what Woody says in articles and interviews is all politically correct lie telling, so tell us the truth. Tell us what Woody really thinks, and what he’s saying to management. Make us believe it. I mean, according to you, we can’t believe what the man himself says, right?
I really like the part about Woody conspiring with all the other coaches in the league to get Al Horford named to the all-star team. That was downright hilarious, no wonder Grandad is so amused by you….
I think this should be your tag line after every post: “Woody is right…as long as he agrees with me publicly.”
Now go ahead and twist my words again, or reply with an insult-laden post. Facts and logic seem to have that effect on ya…
Ken Sugiura
March 16th, 2010
1:16 pm
Barry-
question from the last post – if the Hawks and Celtics tie for the No. 3 spot, the Celtics get the No. 3 seed by virtue of being a division winner. it’d kinda stink, given the hawks swept them, but, i imagine if the shoe were on the other foot, no one here would be complaining about it.
KevinA
March 16th, 2010
1:40 pm
I never expect to get to much out of either Teague or Bibby. When it does happen I am plesently suprised. I am more interested in seeing ZaZa Josh and Al on the court at the same time with Evans and Jamal. We almost never thry this “big” lineup. Tonight would be a good time to try it.
A couple of games ago Teague did a great jub in a few minutes, he ran several pick and roll’s with great execuation. If he can play like that tonight – give the kid more burn. I still can’t see Bibby and Teague on the floor at the same time, there is just not enough D between them.
J.J.M.
March 16th, 2010
1:40 pm
well I guess he picked a good game to miss
terrell
March 16th, 2010
1:51 pm
The Celtics and Hawks WONT tie.
Joseph Killeen
March 16th, 2010
2:59 pm
Teague can play im excited about him. He is polar opposite from acie law remember that disater. The hawks will be rallying around mo jamal horford josh and marvin as well as BIG Z and Joe Smith the wise the vet. This is a game the hawks should win. we will get bibby and jj back soon. lets see what these hawks can do.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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