Atlanta Hawks: The Blueprint–Remixed With Joe Johnson (sore Achilles’) out
J.J. to miss first game of season.
It looks like the Hawks’ good fortune with injuries finally has ended.
Joe Johnson (sore Achilles’) is not on the Hawks’ team flight. He’s been ruled out for New Jersey tomorrow and probably is out for Thursday Wednesday at Toronto, too. Mike Bibby (back) made the flight but is questionable for New Jersey.
J.J. will miss his first game of the season and just his fourth since 2007-08. He wasn’t available for comment because he was getting treatment (and napping, as is his custom).
“I’ve always said when somebody goes down it gives somebody else a chance to step up and play,” Woody said before J.J. was officially ruled out. “That’s why I tell guys they’ve always got to be ready.”
Woody wasn’t ready to say how he’ll adjust the lineup, in part because he wasn’t sure if he’ll be without both J.J. and Bibby. If it’s just J.J., then Jamal Crawford could get his first start of the season at shooting guard. But Woody didn’t rule out bringing Crawford off the bench, in which case Mo would get the call. If both Bibby and J.J. are out and Woody sticks with his preference for bringing Jamal off the bench, then the rookie Teague would get his first start.
– If the Hawks are serious about catching Orlando (and for that matter announcing themselves as contenders) then what you saw against the Pistons is how they need to look like for maybe 12 of their 17 games remaining.
The Hawks got after it on defense. They worked for good shots, controlled the tempo and played with energy. The Hawks jumped an inferior opponent (the standings say they’ve got lots of those left) and when the Pistons tried to make their inevitable run they let them know they weren’t going to rise up on that night.
That’s the blueprint.
“That was the perfect game for us down the line,” Josh said, “except for the turnovers.”
Could it mean the Hawks finally have figured out how to impose their will from the jump?
“If it becomes consistent, then I think so,” Smoove said. “But you really can’t gauge it from one game.”
It’s not easy to stay up in the NBA. The season is long. Bodies are tired and banged up (see J.J. and Bibby). The schedule can be rough (like those four games in six days coming up for the Hawks).
“It’s tough,” Al said. “But you realize every other team is like that as well, and a lot of these other teams aren’t playing for anything. You really have to focus in and get up and get motivated.”
Woody said he understands what it’s like for players at this time of year. He used to be one of them, after all. But as the coach of a team trying to make a breakthrough, Woody wants the kind of effort he saw Saturday more than just here and there.
“It comes down to who wants it the most,” he said. “We’ve shown signs over the last two years how much we really want it. Look back two years ago (in the playoffs), then the jump we made from that point to get to the next round last year. We could have quit in Miami when we lost homecourt advantage but they didn’t’ quit. They wanted to get to the second round and they made it happen.”
Now the Hawks want to win the division. They are 3.5 games back of Orlando with 17 to play so they’ll need Orlando to stagger a bit. And staying in front of Boston for No. 3 is becoming more important because the Bucks are looking like a team the Hawks don’t want to see in the first round.
The Hawks can’t control what the Magic does, except for that final meeting on March 24 at Philips. For that matter, they really can’t worry too much about where they end up in the playoffs bracket when they are still trying to perfect that blueprint.
“We’ve got to just get focused and get through the regular season and we will figure out that (playoffs) part then,” Woody said.
– Pick my Cardinals over Cal in your bracket because they always follow a bad game with a good one. That also means don’t be tempted to pick them to beat Duke, though nothing would make me happier (a first-round loss for that team in Lexington would be a close second).
MC
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Hawk n the Ham
March 15th, 2010
10:13 pm
This means only ONE thing!!
SUPER MARIO – ISO!!!!!!!!!!!
Hawk n the Ham
March 15th, 2010
10:14 pm
BTW…… What’s a ‘Tour Over’?
Delbert D.
March 15th, 2010
10:15 pm
Give Zaza some more minutes and let him knock the slobber out of ‘em down inside.
Delbert D.
March 15th, 2010
10:15 pm
‘Tour Over’ is the PGA without Tiger, I guess.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 15th, 2010
10:31 pm
If Teague plays 30 minutes, I think a fair, on-the-conservative-side expectation for him is something along the lines of 4/10 shooting, 1/2 3’s, 2/2 FTs, 11 points, 8 assists, 2 steals, and 3 turnovers. Against these pathetic defensive teams he’s facing, I think a better shooting line is possible, but I’ll try to keep my expectations reasonable.
Wabe
March 15th, 2010
10:52 pm
I hope the JJ injury isn’t too serious. Same with Bibby. We’ll need both come playoff time.
As for the Teague issue, I think that fans are and will always be disappointed until they see Woody portray some type of commitment to developing a young PG. It’s obvious Bibby’s losing steps as we speak, so it’s in our best interest to get the rookie fine-tuned. I’m looking forward to seeing him get extended minutes in NJ, and I hope he shows glimpses to Woody, his teammates, and all his haters that he can and will be a stud at PG for this team in the coming years.
Wabe
March 15th, 2010
10:56 pm
And Najeh, I don’t think ANYBODY can walk away disappointed if JT0 were to register that stat line. In all honesty, that stat line looks a lot better than the ones Bibby has been putting up all season. Bibby gives us those type of stat lines all the time nowadays, and we tend to think of that as a good night for Bibby.
NUNNA YO BIZNEZZ
March 15th, 2010
11:02 pm
MAD-DONNA,
I 2ND THAT STATEMENT..
WOODY RIDER!!!!
the only way that teague will do well and play the point,is when CRAWFORD works his way to get open for a pass from TEAGUE..
no more teague giving the ball to jamaal and teague running to the side and out of the way..
like someone’s little brother playing with the big boys..
Im so suprised that no one on here has even brought it up..
Jamal Crawford 1st 15 games with us were a breath of fresh air.He passed to the open man,he knew that driving the ball into the lane could open up his and this team over all game..going inside 1st and working our way outside 2nd was a much needed change..
Now,it seems the more he plays,the more he looks like everyone else on the team..He is even doing the iso joe(even though not as much) when he and his teamates should be sharing the ball consistently,learning how to play against a zone,and
Grandad
March 15th, 2010
11:19 pm
Cosign with Najeh & Ken Strickland concerning Jeff Teague.
[Cosign] Does that mean the same as ditto?
westurd – adding to What ND has already said:
He’s [Teague] the quickest player on the team. [quickness = a strength]
Which can result in many possible uses to help the team.
Sybil – Where do you get those AYAK terms. [klavern]
I have to go to wikipeddia to look up that crap.
Then you call us the ‘Bubba Crew’. Affectionately of course.
Wdsn:
“I’ve always said when somebody goes down it gives somebody else a chance to step up and play,” *[True]* Woody said before J.J. was
officially ruled out.
“That’s why I tell guys they’ve always got to be ready.”
He tells ‘em that. But in Teaguer’s case you reckon ‘experience’
may help MORE Than just sayin’ it.
Predicted starting line-up:
[1] Bibby *if healthy *[1] Jamal – if not
[2] Mario
[3] Marv
[4] Josh
[5] Al
* If Jamal starts – Mo becomes 6th man.
* Teague – plays roughly 12 min. give or take. (depending on Bibby)
* Wishful thinking – Jamal goes for 50 4th time/4th team.
NUNNA YO BIZNEZZ
March 15th, 2010
11:27 pm
im looking forward to a teague burn heavy game..
one thing i disagree with all on is,i think he will have more assists than points..
13-16 dimes,10 points,3-6 steals,and 5 fouls..
if u ever notice when he comes in most games,he gets assists right off the bat during the 1st or 2nd play he runs..well,right before crawford comes over for the ball and sends teague to the corner..
for,time out
jj
March 15th, 2010
11:29 pm
I wish we had picked up a veteran PG for the bench because you should always be prepared for injuries and I would feel better letting Bibby rest and giving JT valuable playing time.I give JJ and Bibby grief,but we need them healthy and fresh for this final push and playoffs.Our remaining schedule is not nothing to take for granted because it is not as easy as some of our rivals.
welikebaseball2
March 15th, 2010
11:36 pm
Nunna Yo Biznezz: True about Crawford. Of course the Woodson supporters will say I’m bashing, but it’s Woodson’s doing. When your whole offense is centered around iso plays, you’re going to push your scorers to hang onto the ball. I remember it being said that Woodson was after Crawford about how much he needed him to be a scorer as opposed to a passer.
This from Sports Illustrated…
“Winning was the great mystery, and throughout the preseason, Crawford worried about ruining a good thing. He was wary of acting like a black hole until Woodson ordered him to score aggressively after Crawford went 1-for-3 in the Hawks’ opening-night win over the Wizards.”
Big Ray
March 15th, 2010
11:39 pm
Grandad ,
Tried answering you on the last blog. Long story short: I was kidding with you. Big time…
Ant Banks ,
You got me there. I think part of the problem is that the three-headed hack-a-Howard monster has major issues when it comes to the switch defense. We can just approach the game against the Magic with the idea of simply fouling Howard to death. Because we employ the switch defense for the majority of the game, we have to have guys in there who can switch up and guard positions other than their own. Josh Smith and Al Horford have the uncanny lateral quickness and instincts to play up on the perimeter on a switch. Zaza, Jason, and Randolph DO NOT. And, all three are inferior rebounders/shot blockers/pretty much everything when compared to Josh and Al. So, we’re stuck with trying to do something else, I think.
Don’t ask me what ….
Big Ray
March 15th, 2010
11:49 pm
welikebaseball2 ,
Great point. Tried bringing that up earlier, but it gets ignored every time or labeled “hatred” by fanatical “supporters.” At the same time, Crawford IS there to score. I just don’t see how that has to mean less ball movement.
Najeh ,
I don’t see anything unreasonable about that stat line for Teague. Check out what he did against the Nets in the first two games against them this season….
Ken Strickland ,
In my mind, Teague playing horribly means getting into foul trouble, blowing one defensive assignment after another, and turning the ball over a lot. If he’s doing all that and we’re losing because of it, why keep him in the game? I know that Bibby has done his fair share of blowing defensive assignments or simply not impeding his opponent’s progress. However, he has one of the league’s best assist/turnover ratios, and he rarely gets into bad foul trouble. The biggest thing is taking care of the ball. Again, if Teague turns it over, and that is causing us to lose to a team we should be (and have) squashing, then how do you justify it? Let Teague play no matter what, and lose to the Nets? I think not.
Truth Serum ,
Teague is averaging 0.7 turnovers per game. Fire him for that ? Nah, man.
This is what Woody thinks about him:
Jeff Teague: Head Coach Woodson Gives High Praise.
Update: Coach Mike Woodson’s comments on Teague on Monday seem to indicate the rookie has a bright future with Atlanta the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports. “I feel good about Teague and what he brings to the table,” Woodson said. “Eventually Teague will run this team, I think. But I don’t have to throw him to the wolves like I did those other guys.”
Analysis: Teague had a pretty good preseason and proved he can put up points when he wants to. However, with the Hawks’ starters playing so well and with Atlanta contending for a high seed in the playoffs, Teague won’t get much of an opportunity barring an injury.
NUNNA YO BIZNEZZ
March 15th, 2010
11:57 pm
you all know how woody is stuck on his ways with this team,right??
my prediction is he will play these guys on the 6-7 man rotation with craw,marvin,j-smoove,zsa zsa,horford,smith all playing 35+minutes..and teague getting his usual minutes..
he’ll get the last of qtr.#1,and the beginning of qtr.#2,and only garbage minutes in the 2nd half..
if we’re blowing out nj or toronto,then he’ll get at least 9-11 minutes of burn in da second half..if its close and we are losing,he’ll play the before mentioned like its a playoff game and we won’t see teague hardly any..
woody’s excuse will be that he did not want to lose the game and he did not feel teague was ready..
and u know what?? he and this team won’t be ready as long as he is the head coach
NUNNA YO BIZNEZZ
March 16th, 2010
12:16 am
Big Ray,
throwing jt to the wolves means just that,throwing him to the wolves.
He is not playing him 40+minutes and letting him learn on the fly!!!
thats throwing him into the wolves!!
woody is not fooling me with that statement,he is fooling yall!!..if teague is as good as he says he is,he would be smart enough to know his players strengths and put him into games that he should shine in and play well..but he does not do that..
he wags his finger in the kids face,he fusses at him for crap that he lets bibby and even crawford get away with..
i have not looked at the schedule to see if both are road games,and if they are and he plays his usual players 35+minutes,look for us to lose 1 of these games..
and lets not forget that the nets have looked good on the road against some good teams..
they will play the hawks tough on tomorrow nite..
i don’t see this being a blow out at all..and with sun and mon off,we’re gonna come out in quicksand if its the same old same old..but,if he is using his bench and getting players minutes showing they have something to prove by him stting them on da bench,i.e.randmo,collins,west,then look for us to win both games
Grandad
March 16th, 2010
12:19 am
Big Ray:
We’re cool.
I saw your post on the last blog.
My 1st reaction to the original post was: “huh”?
I asked my youngest lad the difference between
sarcasm & satire’, he said they were cousins.
After re-reading, I was able to ‘Peel back the onion’.
Sorry, that one got used alot yesterday by CBS,
after the selection committee, boinked Miss. St.
[I'm a little bias, CRS is a friend of mine.]
Back to the subject at hand, you may have noticed, later on
that evening, I posted that you were always cordial.
So, a long winded, we’re cool.
NUNNA YO BIZNEZZ
March 16th, 2010
12:28 am
p.s. big ray,
sorry for the exclamation points,im not fussing..
nite all
Ken Strickland
March 16th, 2010
12:30 am
BIG RAY-In all honesty, Bibby doesn’t play enough DEF or get close enough to anyone to get into foul trouble. If you’ll notice, most of his fouls come from grabbing the player as he blows by him. As far as his low turnover rate is concerned, when you don’t penetrate, spend most of your time near the 3pt line, take very few risks, and handle the ball no more than 50% of the time, it’s not hard to limit your turnovers.
If Teague played as many mins as Bibby, spent most of his time near the 3pt line and didn’t penetrate or handle the ball more than 50% of the time, I’ll bet his assist to TO ratio would be better than Bibby’s. I like Bibby as a player and don’t blame him for his problems. However, his limited OFF/DEF production and lack of consistency doesn’t warrant him averaging 27MPG. He could be just as effective, if not more so, averaging 12-15MPG, while Teague should get 18-20MPG.
It looks like we’ll have to settle for the 4th seed in the East again. The only way we can get a higher seed is by winning our division, and we all know that won’t happen. So, it looks like a replay of last yrs playoff seeding for us, except there’s a good chance we won’t get past the 1st rd this time.
Truth-Serum
March 16th, 2010
12:30 am
Teague is averaging 9 minutes a game. If he played 45 minutes (45/9) x.7 = 3.5 t.o per game.
He is a lousy shooter 37%
And he doesnt understand the game, How to set players up, run an offense or break down a defense or when to do either. He plays like the 7th point guard drafted in last years draft. He just doesnt have good basketball sense.
What, did you expect coach woodson to come out and berate a player in public or give a vote of confidence?
Truth-Serum
March 16th, 2010
12:32 am
Big Ray?
Truth-Serum
March 16th, 2010
12:30 am
Truth-Serum
March 16th, 2010
12:38 am
Mike bibby career T.O. 2.31 this year 1.18
Teague is averaging 9 minutes a game. If he played 45 minutes (45/9) x.7 = 3.5 t.o per game.
You were saying Ken…?
Sleepy
March 16th, 2010
12:44 am
NUNNA YO BIZNEZZ- you are tripping I dont know why you would believe that a rookie will get the same treatment as a veteran on a nba playoff team.
Crawford assist numbers are actually going up and Im sorry on a team that struggles to get to the line I want the guy who gets to the line and shoots the best percentage to have the ball more . Thats not being selfish its called common sense .
There is absolutely NOTHING that Teague brings to the table that would make me sacrifice what Crawfords brings right now . Anyone who goes that route is kidding themselves and dont have a clue .
When Crawford is in the game in the second quarter hes the primary option unless the other bench plays show they are into the game when they do they all get shots and touches.
Crawford doesnt need Teague to create a shot for him he can do that for himself and even though Crawford is top ten in 3 pt fg made I dont want him spotting up for jumpshots when Joe is not in the game .I want him attacking the rim and breaking defenders down and getting into the lane .
I want Teague to play but I also want to win the game more than I want Teague to play right now . The next two games are road games and I wouldnt start him but I would play him plenty of minutes off the bench
Truth-Serum
March 16th, 2010
12:52 am
Good post Sleepy!
Truth-Serum
March 16th, 2010
12:54 am
3AJC ran poll to ask
Truth-Serum
March 16th, 2010
12:54 am
*AJC ran poll to ask
Grandad
March 16th, 2010
1:22 am
Truth Serum:
I just conducted my own poll:
* 100% said Teague should get more playing time.
* 50% said Bibby should not start.
* 50% said Teague should start.
* 100% thought Jamal should start.
* There are only two people in the poll.
* They both like Marvin.
* One thinks Al should be a [4].
* They are divided on whether Joe should be traded.
* Hmmmmmmm…….
Now that’s a riddle, wrapped up in a conundrum, shrouded in mystery?
Can you figure out the answer?
Big Ray
March 16th, 2010
1:25 am
Sleepy ,
Crawford and Teague are playing two different positions, so I don’t see the point in this argument. Teague is the pg, Crawford is the sg. End of story. Putting Teague in place of Crawford makes no sense for that reason alone. Who was calling for that to happen?
Truth Serum ,
No, I don’t expect Woody to berate a player. But he is far more positive about Teague before they drafted him, and now that he’s on the team, than he has been about any of the young guards who have come here before. Sorry, but Woody is a straight up guy. He says what he means, and means what he says. He’s not a liar or a politician. So if he says he likes Teague, then that’s what he means, no matter how inconvenient it might be for a particular argument. Or are you calling him a two-faced type of guy who will say one thing to one guy, then another behind his back? If Woody thought Teague didn’t have any skills worth mentioning, he’d say “well, he has things he needs to work on”, and leave it at that. Dude doesn’t speak with a forked tongue….
As for Teague averaging 3.5 TO per game if he played 45 minutes, you can’t be guaranteed of that. But let’s use the math you used anyway. The kid also averages 1.6 assists per game. So if he played 45 minutes, he would also average 8 assists per game. I’d take that from a rookie guard who was the 7th best pg in the draft. That’s twice as many assists as Bibby is averaging this year….
Grandad
March 16th, 2010
1:25 am
TS:
Oh yeah, I never asked the question.
According to the poll:
Who should start?
Big Ray
March 16th, 2010
1:30 am
Nunna Yo Bizznez,
It’s all good. I understood where you were coming from. Woody isn’t fooling me one bit. Dude is old school, and he believes that Teague should learn slowly. Since Bibby isn’t completely washed up, why not? Do I believe that Teague should get more minutes than he does? Yeah, I do. But I’m not asking him to start this season or play 30+ per game. Just my opinion.
Ken Strickland ,
Woody has already admitted to deploying the defense in such a way that he can “hide” two of his guys on defense (that would be Bibby and Crawford, for those who don’t know). I know Bibby doesn’t defend well and isn’t the penetrator he was years ago. What can I say? I don’t think he should be limited to 15 mpg, though. Now next year is a whole different animal. If Woody was going to play Teague close to 20 mpg and Bibby around the same amount, he should have done it a couple months or more ago. Now, it’s too late for that, and the change could cause problems.
Big Ray
March 16th, 2010
1:32 am
Grandad ,
Glad to hear it.
By the way, have you ever figured out why it’s always the starting center’s fault that the starting pg can’t guard his own position? I’ve been trying to wrap my brain around that one for a while….
Big Ray
March 16th, 2010
1:33 am
Interesting. So Teague is shooting just 37% from the field.
Well maybe he’ll grow up one day and be able to shoot a dazzling 41% from the field. I mean, that’s what Mike Bibby is shooting….
O'Brien
March 16th, 2010
7:39 am
Heard on the radio this morning that Deron Williams (the Jazz PG) has 35 double doubles this year (I assume they’re points and assists). Wow.
Agreed with Ken. Bibby’s Asst/TO ratio is misleading, because he doesn’t handle the ball as much as the traditional PG (he carries the ball up the court, and then hands off, while standing around by the 3 point line), and his defense is horrible.
Also, Bibby does does not penetrate and break defenses down. He has attempted 66 FT (in 63 games) this year. 66 FT attempts from your starting PG? To compare, Teague has attempted 38 FT in 56 games (and limited appearances).
We need more penetration from a PG, because that would help our offense out, and might lead to fouls on the opposing bigs. So even with our guards playing well, I think Woody should have done a better job of bringing Teague along, because he could have been an asset in the playoffs, especially if Bibby struggles.
But this late in the season, the focus should be on winning games and finishing as #2 or #3 (even if they dont win the division, they can still be the #3 seed). So Woody has to monitor Teague’s minutes if he is turning the ball over or making silly mistakes.
Ray,
When we play Orlando, assuming Josh or Al get in foul trouble for hacking Howard, what’s wrong with playing man to man when ZaZa, Jason or RandMo is in the game? I would say play Teague as well, so he can apply ball pressure during some of those minutes?
The problem is Woody has become so one dimensional with the switching, it’s like he has no other defensive strategies.
WonderDawg
March 16th, 2010
8:20 am
You knew this would happen with the minutes JJ has been piling up. Woody better ease up on Al’s and Josh’s minutes, or they will start to break down …
Truth-Serum
March 16th, 2010
8:38 am
Grand-dad? or Grand – ad? that is the question!
I appreciate you ray, Im sure at some point your contention that Woodson is unpolished as a speaker and personal manager well get traction, perhaps at a bubba crew convention. I have no problems with the “politically correct”, choice of wording….
Are you saying you have been a fly on the wall in the confidential discussions that take place between him and management/ownership? Well buzz buzz buzz!
Yes, we agree 37% shooting is awful!
Unless teague shows some basketball wisdom I dont see him leading any team in the NBA, not just Woodson’s team. We can pick up free agents with more court wisdom than teague at this point.
That said, maybe next year the kid can compete for more time…hes still not ready and its not his time yet.
Be patient. I do agree with Woodson. Hell get his chance. I just hope hes smarter than he has been.
Terrell
March 16th, 2010
8:51 am
WonderDawg,
Are you serious? JJ is averaging 38 mpg this year. His mpg has gone down every year he has bee with us, and then Smith and Horford average 35 mpg. There are 10 guys that average more minutes than JJ and 40 guys that average more minutes than Smith and Horford.
Terrell
March 16th, 2010
8:53 am
Truth-Serum
I think you’re highly mistaken about Horfod and his Defense. He has done more than hold his own at the defensive side of the floor
darrell starks
March 16th, 2010
8:58 am
This exactly what happen when your players exert so many min, but fortunately the hawks have been bless the past 2 season with non big time injuries, and this is one of the reason woody jobs have been save so far.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
tidog
March 16th, 2010
9:09 am
Most of the high profile college point guards that come into the league really can play at this level. They were immensely successful collegiates and were drafted pretty high. Teague is no exception the success these guys have. He took over from Chris Paul at Wake in the ACC and picked #1. The kid can play the game just like Collison, Lawson, Curry, Jennings, Paul, Williams and have success. Playing time = confidence=contribution=team success=individual success.
darrell starks
March 16th, 2010
9:11 am
You have 2 develop your bench woody,last year at the end of the season horford and marvin was injuried and joe was burn out, and the hawks was hopeless in the playoffs because of the lack of development from the bench during the season, but yet woody continue not 2 develop teague or his bench but so far woody has been lucky with no injuries, but time will tell for woody becuase one day he will be force 2 use his bench and then the snake will bite him in the ass.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
Sautee
March 16th, 2010
9:12 am
The TRUE reality check came yesterday when northcyde posted the stats that showed Al Horford as a top 5 defender against other centers.
Al was #1 in the league in fewest points / 48 min scored against him by opposing centers.
That’s #1. The best in the league.
Which of course means that Woody has NO NEED to hide him.
AtlSouthside
March 16th, 2010
9:32 am
Who cares what happens. I’m just ready for the next 17 games to go by so we can see what we’ve all been waiting for (the playoffs). Philips Arena is bananas during the postseason!!
The Truth
March 16th, 2010
9:36 am
Teague, the student, has picked-up a lot of Bibby’s bad habits:
He’s now walking the ball up the court (like Bibby) instead of pushing and attacking as he did earlier. Even if he decides to pull back and run a set play, at least he was breaking down the defense for easy offense opportunity. I’m not sure who’s got him playing passive like this. Is it self-induced, learning from Bibby or Woody barking at him? Perhaps this is why he doesn’t look as good as the other progressing rookie PGs. He is playing way too cautious. This style of play seems to be contrary to his natural instincts. In other words, Teague is trying to be something (or somebody) that he is not. His game might be suffering trying to please Woody (for more PT).
The Truth
March 16th, 2010
9:46 am
Speaking of Al Horford:
Here is a revealing
chart I customized comparing Al Horford and 3 other top centers. Since I was only limited to a total of 4 centers in the comparison, I selected Dwight Howard, Andrew Bogart and Brandon Haywood along with Al Horford in the sample. What’s revealing is that this chart presents advance measurements that exposed player detail performance factors not previously discussed
If you look under the advance chart and find these categories:
ORtg = Offense Rating; An Estimate of points produced or scored per 100 possessions
DRtg = Defense Rating; An Estimate of points allowed per 100 possessions
OWS = Offense Win Shares; An Estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player due to his offense
DWS = Defense Win Shares; An Estimate of the number of win contributed by a player due to his defense
WS = Win Shares; An estimate of wins contributed by a player
Summary: A mixed bag for Al Horford. A case of the good, the bad and the ugly
ORTg – AL ranked 1 out of 4 (good) (other players not far apart, however)
DRtg – AL ranked 2 out of 4 (good) (however, only slightly better than last two)
OWS – AL ranked 4 out of 4 (bad) (A sizeable gap between Howard and AL)
DWS – AL ranked 4 out of 4 (awful) (A noticeable spread between Al and the rest)
WS – AL ranked 4 out of 4 (bad) (last in this group)
terrell
March 16th, 2010
9:59 am
A blessing in disguise!
Tyler
March 16th, 2010
10:00 am
Teague is a good ball handler and can make plays. He is a “John Wall” with much less talent however, if you will.
terrell
March 16th, 2010
10:05 am
Your’re right Northcyde, Woody’s an idiot.
Melvin
March 16th, 2010
10:06 am
In the spirit of the movie Clash of the Titans “Release the Cracken/Teague” for tonights game…
Ken Strickland
March 16th, 2010
10:39 am
TRUTH SERUM-Nothing personal, but I don’t want to get into a silly debate with you over your penchant for misrepresenting facts. You used a 45MPG model to rate Teague, then you compared that to Bibby’s career TO rate, rather than project his TO rate over the same 45MPG you used for Teague. Like I said before, you’re not interested in facts, just getting attention and being recognized.
BIG RAY-We all know nothings going to change with Teague and Bibby as far as mins are concerned. I was just pointing out how we could have been a much better team overall if Woodson had the sense to employ a more equitable distribution of mins between the two and take advantage of what both players had to offer.
I’ll guarantee you Bibby won’t miss more than 1gm, because Woodson is going to insist he return ASAP, and he’ll play him even if he’s limping, like he didn’t earlier in the season when he had ankle problems.
If the playoffs started today we’d end up playing the Bucks, who hold the 5th seed. They will have to hold off the Bobcats and Heat to hold on to the 5th seed.
NUNNA YO BIZNEZZ
March 16th, 2010
10:43 am
truth@9:36am,
right on brother!!
i see the same thing.
but as much as we are barking for teague to play more minutes in the next 2 games,if bibby does play,teague will get his 6-8 minutes in one game and 3-4 in the other..
look for bibbs to play 30+ with crawford in as his back up..