Atlanta Hawks: For wear and tear talk ’bout practice, not games

Woody ran his players into the ground when he looked like this.

Woody ran his players into the ground when he looked like this.

From time to time I’ve heard concerns that Woody is running his main guys into the ground and I know that’s been his rep. So let’s look at the minutes per game for J.J., Smoove and Al before I point out how those numbers might not even be the most important consideration in the matter.

J.J.’s minutes are down slightly, from 39.5 last season to 38.1 this year–the fewest he’s averaged since he was a bench player for Phoenix in 2002-03. Smoove is playing 35.1 minutes per game, same as last season and down from his workload in his third and fourth seasons. Horford’s minutes are up to 35.2 from 33.2.

(Marvin and Bibby aren’t really in the discussion anymore. Marvin is getting the least burn since he was a rookie. Bibby’s minutes are at a career low, less than Jamal’s.)

OK, those are the overall minutes for the Big 3, but what about the monthly splits? Is Woody riding his Big Three more as the playoffs approach?

For J.J. and Al it depends on how many minutes they log the rest of the season. Al’s minutes took a big jump from January (35.3) to February (39.2) but are way down in March (33.7). J.J.’s average minutes increased in January (38.1) and February (40.1) but are back down in March (37.8). Smoove’s minutes have been pretty constant through January (38.1), February (38.1) and March (39.3).

You can always look through the game logs and raise an eyebrow about the minutes here and there. Recent examples include J.J. playing 42 minutes at Miami after he played 37 minutes while sick the night before. Josh played 45 vs. Golden State and then 40 at Miami, where he didn’t seem to have his usual focus and energy(though Smoove doesn’t have the same age and injury concerns as J.J.)

But players’ work rate outside of games might be as (or even more) important to wear and tear than what happens the rest of the time. How often do they practice? How long are the sessions? And how intense are they? I don’t have any way of objectively measuring where the Hawks rate in those areas–I only get to see the latter part of full practices and usually they are just shooting or walking through plays by then. But my feeling is the practices have shortened and from talking to Woody they’ve tended to be lighter workouts.

The subject came up the other day when Woody noted the Hawks had a good, hard practice on Wednesday before they headed to Washington. Being a coach and all, he lamented that he can’t put the Hawks through those kind of sessions more often.

“I can’t beat ‘em up like I did in the early days,” Woody said. “I’m serious. Ask Smoove. I used to give them no days off. We would practice every day. They used to hate me for that. I’ve learned to back off.”

Smoove says it’s true.

“(Blank) no we didn’t get a day off,” he said. “Especially when I was a rookie, we would come in when the veterans had days off. And we would come in an hour-and-a-half early and do a full practice, three-man weaves and everything. And then we would go out and do the second practice (with the veterans).”

And did they hate Woody for it?

“Hell yeah,” he said.

Woody knows he can’t do it like that anymore. That could matter more than the minutes logged by his horses, at least as it relates to physical wear and tear over the long term.

Peep my story on Josh’s emerging leadership.

Ken has the Pistons game tonight.

MC

184 comments Add your comment

J.J.M.

March 13th, 2010
8:32 pm

northcyde

March 13th, 2010
8:32 pm

Oh well . . so much for the perfect game.

Is Woody to blame for the lackluster start?

KevinA

March 13th, 2010
8:32 pm

Know thest starters – they come out lazy with a big lead. Just in their DNA

KevinA

March 13th, 2010
8:36 pm

lazy is not a fair word – cold or not as focused or in rythem is better.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 13th, 2010
8:38 pm

Every NBA team makes a run…

Najeh Davenpoop

March 13th, 2010
8:38 pm

…but with turnovers like that, the Hawks certainly are making it easier for them.

KevinA

March 13th, 2010
8:39 pm

ok – it’s 18-7 detroit – bench cannot do any worse

Sautee

March 13th, 2010
8:39 pm

Joe with the okey-doke

VenomSpitter

March 13th, 2010
8:39 pm

seriously why is it that the hawks just start makin bad plays when they try to protect a lead. I don’t get it.

Melvin

March 13th, 2010
8:39 pm

Nice 1 hand catch and shot by Joe…

Najeh Davenpoop

March 13th, 2010
8:39 pm

The Hawks and the crowd alike are looking a little restless right now.

KevinA

March 13th, 2010
8:40 pm

the excuse of a game of runs

Najeh Davenpoop

March 13th, 2010
8:40 pm

Please run the offense through Josh.

KevinA

March 13th, 2010
8:41 pm

Teague, Jamal, ZaZa in

J.J.M.

March 13th, 2010
8:41 pm

this is actually a lil sad

Najeh Davenpoop

March 13th, 2010
8:42 pm

+/- is a really unreliable stat that I don’t put much stock into, but let me just throw this out there anyway: Bibby is at -2, Teague is at +16.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 13th, 2010
8:44 pm

Damn, Orlando is really on a roll. They are beating the crap out of Washington tonight. Seems like nearly every game recently has been a double-digit win for them.

KevinA

March 13th, 2010
8:46 pm

Has anyone figured out that when we pass we win? Besides me?

northcyde

March 13th, 2010
8:46 pm

Nice gesture by the Hawks organization . . by bringing in the Bennett family ( the family that Smoove reached out to )

Najeh Davenpoop

March 13th, 2010
8:46 pm

Josh is gonna be in SI? The last thing the Hawks need is a curse right now…

northcyde

March 13th, 2010
8:46 pm

Offense isn’t the problem folks . . . it’s the defense.

25 pts by the Pistons so far.

Cannon

March 13th, 2010
8:47 pm

Hopefully Smoove gets the cover of SI. He’s deserving. Can’t wait to read the article.

KevinA

March 13th, 2010
8:47 pm

Orlando is Al hitting that 12-15’shot. All game long. Get Howard out of the paint.

northcyde

March 13th, 2010
8:48 pm

The entire Hawks team had a double digit +/- number in the 1st half . . so Bibby’s number will definitely drop.

Foul #4 for Crawford . . . Woody sticking with him for right now.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 13th, 2010
8:50 pm

Josh is 1 dime, 7 boards and 5 steals away from that quadruple-double…

Sleepy

March 13th, 2010
8:54 pm

36 pt quarter for the Pistons …………….

northcyde

March 13th, 2010
8:54 pm

36 pts that quarter.

That can’t happen again.

Hold them under 25 in the 4th.

KevinA

March 13th, 2010
8:55 pm

36-23 in 3rd qt – Should have played the bench

northcyde

March 13th, 2010
8:55 pm

Hawks didn’t panic though. It’ll be interesting to see how much of the bench Woody comes back with.

KevinA

March 13th, 2010
8:55 pm

did say DNA or what -

VenomSpitter

March 13th, 2010
8:56 pm

Get bibby out the game

northcyde

March 13th, 2010
8:56 pm

Bibby in . . no Teague

Teague has played his 10 minutes though . . but Teague people will be heated, seeing that Teague is +16 tonight

Sleepy

March 13th, 2010
8:56 pm

Joe needs to get on some defense Rip had 14 points in that quarter. Always talking about focus where this is where he has to step up his play on defense

KevinA

March 13th, 2010
8:57 pm

northcyde ,
He will overplay his starters and wear
then out it’s our DNA

northcyde

March 13th, 2010
8:57 pm

LOL @ bob and Nique . . . on pins and needles right now

KevinA

March 13th, 2010
8:57 pm

You do watch these games – right?

northcyde

March 13th, 2010
8:58 pm

no chance at overplaying his starters tonight. No one will reach 40 minutes, unless Smoove doesn’t come out of this game.

KevinA

March 13th, 2010
8:59 pm

Bench leaking in – will restore order

northcyde

March 13th, 2010
9:00 pm

JJ out of the game . . everything falls apart offensively.

J.J.M.

March 13th, 2010
9:00 pm

lmaoooooo did he fall

Melvin

March 13th, 2010
9:02 pm

This would have been a good time for Teague to get some extend mins/experience but Woody rather play Bibby. Dang it…

KevinA

March 13th, 2010
9:02 pm

Why Bibby is in there I will never understand

northcyde

March 13th, 2010
9:04 pm

LOL . . well. . maybe Smoove will play the rest of the game. Not out of the game yet

Najeh Davenpoop

March 13th, 2010
9:06 pm

I’d like to see someone break down the Hawks’ shooting percentage on possessions on which Josh touches the ball vs. possessions where he doesn’t get a touch. I’d be willing to bet there’s at least a difference of 10% in favor of Josh touching the ball.

Sautee

March 13th, 2010
9:06 pm

We need Horford back in. Maxiell wasn’t stopping him.

J.J.M.

March 13th, 2010
9:06 pm

bibby is geting blowned by put teague in geez

northcyde

March 13th, 2010
9:07 pm

Horford in . . Smoove still in . . .

suck it up Smoove, you’re playiing until we secure this game.

J.J.M.

March 13th, 2010
9:08 pm

another miss open 3 from bibby

Melvin

March 13th, 2010
9:08 pm

No Teague or Joe Smith in the 2nd half. This is just crazy…

Wabe

March 13th, 2010
9:08 pm

WTF happened?

I left my house at halftime. I guess it was another 2nd half lull?