
Will Joe take his ball and leave? Do you want him to go? (Zach Wolfe, Dimemag)
New York media have their eye on J.J. Meanwhile THHB (now over at Peachtree Hoops) says you can have J.J. with his old, expensive, ball-demanding self.
First, the New York stuff. J.J. went through the media wringer there like all big-name (he is, right?) free-agents-to-be. Speculation was that Johnson’s history with Knicks coach Mike D’Antoni and agent Arn Tellem’s relationship with Donnie Walsh could lead to J.J. signing with the Knicks.
Johnson didn’t say he won’t leave the Hawks and there’s no reason, financial or otherwise, for him to do so. He told reporters he’d have no problem playing in New York and was open to seeing what other teams have to offer. But he didn’t give many hints about his intentions.
“Everybody (in New York) makes so much of it because (of) D’Antoni,” Johnson said. “Me and him got a good relationship. That is always going to be kind of scrutinized and everybody wants to know what’s what. So we’ll see. I don’t know what is going to happen, to be honest with you.”
One thing that gets lost in the Johnson speculation is that Tellem approached the Hawks about an extension last summer. That indicates a desire for Johnson to stay, right? If Tellem really was trying to steer J.J. to New York why would he do that? Plus, i’ve always thought it’s a bit paternalistic when it’s suggested agents influence players to that degree. Tellem works for J.J., not the other way around.
Anyway, the Hawks offered a four-year deal in excess of $60 million but Johnson decided against it at the last minute. He’s gambling that he can secure a more lucrative deal from the Hawks or another team as a free agent. During All-Star weekend Johnson, who is making nearly $15 million this season, said he would “love to” re-sign with the Hawks.
So depending on when he’s asked and how deeply you want to read into it, Johnson either wants to re-sign with the Hawks, would welcome a move to New York, isn’t interested in a rebuilding franchise or really truly doesn’t know right now (my vote).
“That all can wait until when the season is over and we have completed what we are trying to do here,” Johnson said. “I am trying to not let none of that be a distraction to me or my teammates and just have fun like we’ve been doing.”
It’s not been so fun for THHB. Well, maybe it has, but he (it?) says Joe needs to go because of age, money and usage rate. THHB’s reasoning is sound but, in my view, premature.
If the Hawks make it to the Eastern Conference finals and make a good showing with J.J. as the centerpiece, and the Hawks believe they really are close to breaking through, would (could) they let J.J. go and turn it over to Josh, Al and whatever talent they can acquire in a sign-and-trade? Doesn’t it happen all the time in the NBA that true contending teams overpay for centerpiece players they know will be in decline during the back end of the deal for a shot at winning it all?
And isn’t that one of your frequent complaints about ASG, that it doesn’t spend the money to go for it? Somehow I don’t think it would go over too well if the Hawks let J.J. go after a strong postseason run and say “Well, we were close to the Finals but we have to manage our finances, Joe is getting old, he needs the ball too much and so we wish him well. Here are some new players.”
Of course, if the Hawks flame out in the first round or get handled again in the second with J.J. jacking up iso jumpers then please refer back to THHB’s take and forget I ever wrote this.
– Coincidentally, here is my Iso-Joe update after 17 games of tracking: 38 possessions, 37 points, four misses by teammates, one turnover, and three offensive rebounds by teammates. The production has dropped off lately to .97 points per possession for Iso-Joe. If extrapolated out for the entire season and compared to the league offensive efficiency rankings season (which I know really shouldn’t be done but I’m doing it anyway ), those numbers would put fourth quarter Iso-Joe somewhere in T-Wolves and Nets territory (but check my math on that, non-mathematically challenged blog people)
– I looked back at a post from Hawks blog legend Sekou from back around the time the Hawks were considering an extension for J.J. Man, things have changed these last few months. His blog people (a few of them still my blog people) were dang near begging for a deal to get done. Not so much anymore.
– Humor me for a minute, blog people, while I relate my little tale.
The Hawks visited the White House this morning. I somehow passed the background check and made the list, too. Sweet. Hopped in a cab (which really was one of those shady car service deals without a meter) to head over to Hawks’ hotel so I could get on their bus. Tell the driver the name of the hotel, he asks me for the address. Tell him the address, he starts punching it in a GPS.
Me: “Um, you know where it’s at, right? It’s a major hotel.”
Him: “Sure, no problem!”
There’s a bunch of traffic, so I ask him if there’s a way around it. “Sure, no problem!” It takes us 10 minutes just to double back to where we just left. Eventually we run into construction and even more traffic than before. The driver is blasting French talk radio and the annoying GPS voice is loudly barking directions that the driver isn’t following. It’s loud, we are barely moving and I’m shook, thinking I’m going to miss my chance to meet the President of the United States of America because of an incompetent cabby.
We get to the hotel 50 minutes after leaving, 10 minutes too late for me to catch the Hawks’ bus. The guy tells me it’s $25 when it was $15 for me to get to my hotel from the same point. There’s a cop right there, so I didn’t argue (but I also didn’t tip). I hop the subway to the Verizon Center to wait for the Hawks’ shootaround. I tell Washington Post Wiz beat writer Michael Lee about my adventure, he says the cab ride should have taken no more than 10 minutes, 20 tops with traffic.
Eventually Hawks PR man Arthur Triche texts me that shootaround is canceled. I asked if the team met the president, scared of the answer. Triche says they didn’t because the president was in policy meetings. So it turns out I didn’t have to find that driver and choke him, I am not in jail and I’m still your beat writer.
– Talk amongst yourselves, Hawks fans.
MC
135 comments Add your comment
joBjo
March 11th, 2010
7:56 pm
for a defensive coach and team the Hawks give up way too many uncontested shots at the rim.
joBjo
March 11th, 2010
7:57 pm
when will Josh learn to give the ball to the guard?
Watch McGee
March 11th, 2010
7:59 pm
please tell me who do we replace Joe with, rarely do you hear any big names saying how much they want to play in Atlanta, so beware what you ask for, bet these were the same people sayin lets get rid of Steve Smith and Mookie Blaylock, and you saw how long it took to get back to the playoffs
eyebrows
March 11th, 2010
8:02 pm
northcyde
Also 22-17 over the last 39 games. Looks like we’re back to where the Hawks were for most of the 90’s…. good enough to win the 1st round, out in the 2nd
Sautee
March 11th, 2010
8:02 pm
Good substitution by Woody to keep Al from his 3rd foul.
Astro Joe
March 11th, 2010
8:06 pm
Sautee, some may argue that 4 consecutive All-Star appearances is pretty elite. When was the last time this franchise enjoyed that kind of streak from a player?
Hawks vs Harry Potter
March 11th, 2010
8:07 pm
Hawks need to do a little more getting fouled and a little less fouling.
Birds are 1-4 in the area, Potters are 10-11
Melvin
March 11th, 2010
8:07 pm
Marvin with the dagger at the halftime buzzer…LOL
joBjo
March 11th, 2010
8:08 pm
marvin for president!
Chamwa
March 11th, 2010
8:08 pm
Consider it a blessing you missed out on meeting Obama. You should thank the cabbie!!
Ree Roe
March 11th, 2010
8:09 pm
QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK
-REEalize it’s Roe!!
Sautee
March 11th, 2010
8:12 pm
AJ,
Just going by the words of “the man”.
northcyde
March 11th, 2010
8:21 pm
Eyebrows . . . your perception of the Hawks and some long term record, can be framed any way you want to. I went through all of this earlier in the week.
If you go back a mere 6 games more, we’re 28 – 17 in our last 45.
If you skip over the 6 out of 8 game loss stretch, we’re 19 – 11 in our last 30.
But to paint the Hawks in a negative light, one must find the worst stretch of the season to cite.
That’s exactly what I was trying to explain to MsDee. The negative fans will always go negative, to discredit what this team has done so far this year.
A loss tonight, and the bloggers will REALLY go on suicide watch, with their FIRE WOODY picket signs.
But a win means that we’ve won 7 of our last 10 games, and 20 out of our last 31.
Let’s see if the Hawks can get their rebounding problem solved tonight, so that we can get a win.
joBjo
March 11th, 2010
8:26 pm
Duck it’s a airball!
Ree Roe
March 11th, 2010
8:29 pm
What happened to Joe’s right eye? Looks like he just got back from a sparring match
-REEal Roe!!!
Sautee
March 11th, 2010
8:30 pm
NICE lead from Joe to Al
Astro Joe
March 11th, 2010
8:37 pm
The man said “elite” and the coaches in the Eastern Conference said “elite” 4 consecutive times. Where’s the disconnect?
Najeh Davenpoop
March 11th, 2010
8:37 pm
We’re still on this topic?
Joe Johnson is not perfect and is not a superstar. He is, though, still one of the top shooting guards in the league, and the Hawks would have major problems if they let him go without an adequate replacement.
I’m all for letting him go if the Hawks can get Wade. Seeing as how that’s next to impossible, the Hawks’ best bet is to keep him.
For those of you worried about how good Joe would be at the end of a six-year contract, don’t be. If the Hawks’ offense progresses as it should, by the time Joe’s new contract expires, the offense should be in the hands of Smoove, Horford, and Teague (or the Hawks’ true PG of the future, if Teague doesn’t work out). At that point, Joe would be playing more of a complementary 3-point-specialist type of role.
Of course, what is preventing the Hawks’ offense from progressing as it should is Woody’s inability to run any sort of real offensive scheme. Ultimately that has a much more likely chance of holding back the Hawks than Joe Johnson’s weaknesses.
Sautee
March 11th, 2010
8:42 pm
The MAN said he’d like to JOIN the elite. That’s a little different from making the All-Star team, unless you think of Horford as an “elite” center.
Melvin
March 11th, 2010
8:44 pm
This is Sloppy game..
Sekou K. Smith
March 11th, 2010
8:47 pm
I need some grane beans and fried chicken! MC u in? Ha
Sleepy
March 11th, 2010
8:49 pm
seriously they are just gonna start hack a josh …………
Melvin
March 11th, 2010
8:50 pm
Man, Crawford knows how to bait guys into fouling him while attempting 3pt shot…
Najeh Davenpoop
March 11th, 2010
8:55 pm
This is pretty weird… every time I have mentioned the New Orleans Hornets’ backup point guard on this blog over the last two weeks, my post gets eaten. Let’s see if this message gets through…
Wabe
March 11th, 2010
8:56 pm
Woody took JJ out with 41.1 seconds left in the 3rd. Let’s see how long he keeps JJ on the bench. I’ve found that Woody tightens up way too quick and gets his starters into the game with the 1st sign of a momentum-swing. This is sometimes appropriate, but more often than not, it just seems he’s set at getting his starters back in the game just for the sake of having them in the game.
Let’s see how long Woody goes before getting the bench back in the game. I’d want him to wait until about the 7 minutes mark. That allows our starters to rest and be a bit more fresh coming down to the final few minutes.
joBjo
March 11th, 2010
8:57 pm
Iso Duck?
joBjo
March 11th, 2010
8:58 pm
Hawks reserves cause Wiz to call a timeout!
joBjo
March 11th, 2010
8:59 pm
ride the bench, Woody.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 11th, 2010
9:00 pm
“People should remember that Joe (or Lebron, Bosh, D. Wade or any of the others) would be a fool from a negotiation perspective to say that he only wants to resign with Atlanta and would not consider other options.”
Co-sign. This can’t be said often enough for the next few months. I’m tired of people trying to turn every word these marquee free agents say into a possible clue into their future. It’s all a negotiating ploy. Any definitive statements they make can and will be used against them in the court of public opinion and at the negotiating table.
Wabe
March 11th, 2010
9:00 pm
The bench seems to be BUILDING the lead and have things under control. There’s no reason not to let them play out a couple of more minutes. When we get to the 4th quarter, you’ve got to have you’re starters primed for the final few minutes of the game, if we’re in a tight game. In these types of games, the head coach is responsible for having his starters in good shape come the last 5 minutes of the game. However, with Woody, it seems we play the entire 4th quarter out as if we’re in the final few minutes. He tightens up, the players tighten up, the ball stops moving, and we go one on one.
Sautee
March 11th, 2010
9:01 pm
Najeh,
I’ll try……Collison, Collison, Collison.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 11th, 2010
9:05 pm
I’m still trying to figure out why I’m not allowed by the blog system to mention the names of anyone on the New Orleans Hornets’ roster. Still trying to re-post something related to them and trying to remove “offending” material. This is like the 6th or 7th time this has happened to me now in the last two weeks and it’s weird so I’m trying to figure it out.
J.J.M.
March 11th, 2010
9:07 pm
choke
drmaryb
March 11th, 2010
9:10 pm
Gurls what’s up with all this iso-crap moaning & bia-tching? Shut Up!
This man makes $15 MIL every 12 mos. Who do you want taking that shot? – Marvin or Josh?
Ask Doc Rivers & Paul Piece why they – qoute “Fear they FEAR iso-Joe!”. Go back & read their qoutes after their second azz-whippin?
You can’t stop Joe with game on the line! Pick a different tune… Puh-lease!
Melvin
March 11th, 2010
9:10 pm
Acie is getting some playing time tonight b/c Rose got hurt in the 1st half…
robert
March 11th, 2010
9:11 pm
Joe Johnson is having another meltdown at the end of the season. He’s garbage every year after the break. He’s trying his best to shoot us out of this game against the WiZards (a must win). We keep crawford, lose Joe blow and pick up a PLAYMAKER. Jeff Teague looks good to me but Woodson, our sorry ass coach, won’t play him. Teague makes a great steal in the paint, gets fouled and then gets benched for Mike Bibby a.k.a. the most useless point guard in the league. COME ON
robert
March 11th, 2010
9:12 pm
ANOTHER JOE AIRBALL OFF A WIDE OPEN LOOK!
Sleepy
March 11th, 2010
9:12 pm
ref getting extra instruction on the point spread for tonight damn nba ……….
VenomSpitter
March 11th, 2010
9:13 pm
If the hawks choke this 1 away I’m gonna throw up
J.J.M.
March 11th, 2010
9:14 pm
lmao@bibby
killa
March 11th, 2010
9:16 pm
it seems like teams know they can hang with us, and i forgot who mentioned it but we are the least respected Winning team in the league, i have always felt that way
Najeh Davenpoop
March 11th, 2010
9:16 pm
Basically what I’ve been trying to post for the last 15 minutes is that if the Hawks want to pursue a future without Joe, one of the few believable ways they can do this without slipping in the standings is if they offer something along the lines of Joe, Jeff Teague, and a first-round pick for the Hornets’ superstar point guard and their overpaid ex-Celtic’s contract.
Melvin
March 11th, 2010
9:17 pm
Poor Horford. He picks up a ton of fouls trying to defend guards. Bless his heart..
killa
March 11th, 2010
9:19 pm
cosign Najeh, thats not a bad idea at all. I mentioned that before too.
killa
March 11th, 2010
9:19 pm
Paul and Posey
Najeh Davenpoop
March 11th, 2010
9:20 pm
Yeah, but too bad I can’t post why it’s not an entirely unrealistic idea, because the system keeps eating anything I try to say about that trade.
Wabe
March 11th, 2010
9:21 pm
Do you blame JJ?
I was watching 1st and 10 the other day and I remember Skip Bayless said Kobe’s been clocking “suicidal” minutes, claiming he should be going 40 minutes a night. That got me thinking, how often do we see JJ and other Hawks starters clock 40+ minutes? I think both JJ and Josh clocked 40+ minutes against the Knicks.
Wabe
March 11th, 2010
9:22 pm
Just to edit that last post, Skip Bayless said he * SHOULDN’T * be clocking 40+ minutes a night.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 11th, 2010
9:24 pm
Ass
Vagina
Sex
killa
March 11th, 2010
9:24 pm
why do the hawks get nervous at the end of the game, and not execute? if they lose they will say the same thing, and Woody will say i dont know why we just stood around.