Hawks Squawks: Knicks 99, Hawks 98

Najeh Davenpoop

March 8th, 2010
11:26 pm

The Hawks are 20-17 in their last 37 games, for a .540 winning percentage.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 8th, 2010
11:31 pm

“I didn’t call a timeout because I thought we had numbers,” Woody said.

Woody shouldn’t have called a timeout. Can anyone think of a single occasion when the Hawks drew up a play out of a Woody timeout that resulted in a dunk opportunity?

I can’t.

Jamal made a great pass and Josh got a golden opportunity to win the game at the rim. He just missed. There was nothing wrong with the play, only with Josh’s execution.

Wabe

March 8th, 2010
11:33 pm

Co-sign everything vava said on that last blog about the switching. It’s amazing how many guys have lit up the Hawks perimeter defense.

Sarcasm

March 8th, 2010
11:38 pm

Good thing we won’t have to play any tough teams like the Knicks in the playoffs.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 8th, 2010
11:40 pm

I don’t know to what extent this loss was Woody’s fault, since I didn’t watch until the last minute. But that said, I’ll repeat something I said on the last blog for the Woody lovers out there. There is precedent for 50-game-winning coaches being fired. Rick Carlisle went back to back seasons with 50-32 records for the Pistons and got fired. His replacement, Larry Brown, won a title.

One of my main arguments for keeping Woody is that despite his faults, the Hawks are still a winning team, and coaches of Larry Brown’s caliber are not sitting around waiting for the Hawks to call them. But please don’t tell me the guy doesn’t deserve criticism because of the Hawks’ record, unless you believe this team has no room for improving their schemes or approaches to games. And clearly, if they can’t beat a team that just lost to one of the all-time worst teams in the history of the league, a team made up of spare parts and expiring contracts, a team whose best offensive player on the floor is as one-dimensional as they come, a team whose most talented player sat out because he felt old, there is a LOT of room for improvement.

Rock Preston

March 8th, 2010
11:53 pm

Helter skelter offensive schemes will doom this team. Again our “star” disappeared down the stretch and Josh tried to take the shot that our “star” clearly doesnt have the onions to try and take most of the time. Hawks fans..Joe is not a superstar…not even close!!! He gets missing at crunch time too much….also Woody’s explanations are just getting comical now. He is in over his head…Pardon the pun. We have all the makings of a 1st round exit to an upstart team. Head coach with no offensive philosophy and an uncanny inability to motivate defensively at the crunch = 1st round exit.

David Smith

March 8th, 2010
11:55 pm

Our guys don’t have the luxury of blaming tonight’s loss on fatigue. This loss and the one in Miami concern me because of our lack of focus during crunch time. We are struggling against teams that we should be blowing out and that is unacceptable in this stage of the season. These last few games are making me wonder if we really are serious about going deep in the Playoffs this year.

sam'l

March 8th, 2010
11:59 pm

I think tonight’s game speaks for itself.

What I find interesting are our moderator’s comments. MC seems to share our long-time concern that there are some things that don’t seem to make sense about the way the Hawks play. I think it took some courage for a reporter that needs to stay on good terms with the troops to come out and claim they just didn’t play defense. This is a breakthrough,

I was listening on the radio….”Hawks win. Hawks win. Hawks win.” and the sidekick (Lang?), “Uh Steve hate to burst your bubble, but the shot won’t count” not an exact quote but close…..

I think I’ll take the “Boston” fan approach. ” See that game tonight….what a pissah!”.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 8th, 2010
11:59 pm

One more thing: I don’t know how many “little things” Bibby did today that he did when he was a good player, like setting screens, making the extra pass, etc. that don’t show up in the stat sheet. But when I look at the stats, two huge numbers jump out at me: 1 point for Bibby, 5 minutes for Teague.

Looking at the stat sheet, I am willing to cut Marvin some slack for tonight’s game. I didn’t see the game, and he’s been playing better recently and there’s a chance that he played good defense, boxed out, and did other “little things” in this game. The rest of you who watched the game will have to support or refute that. But I don’t think even the most anti-Teague people can claim at this point that Teague’s mistakes hurt the Hawks more than Bibby’s ineffectiveness.

In the year 2010, with the exception of the Golden State game the other day when he inexplicably went off, Bibby is shooting 38% from the field and 31% from 3. Teague in that time span, in much more limited and sporadic playing time, playing with much worse teammates on the floor, is shooting 36% from the field and 1/5 from 3. In light of Bibby’s ongoing struggles on the defensive end as well, can you really tell me, with a straight face, that the Hawks are better off playing him and keeping Teague on the bench?

Geemack

March 9th, 2010
12:01 am

Najeh Davenpoop

The Hawks can improve in every area, but this “aint no” championship team regardless of who’s coaching.

The biggest problem with Hawks is effort. If they played with the same intensity in the 1st 3 quarters as they did in the last 5 minutes of the 4th this game’s not even close.

mgm

March 9th, 2010
12:05 am

I think the team is wearing down. Early in the year the team played harder all night long. Also, the coach used more of the bench. Now, the coach has fallen back into the 6 man rotation and playing the starters plus Jamal the entire 4th quarter. The team at this stage of the season has not developed a second unit. Has no ability to score at the end unless Joe is hitting difficult jumpers. And lacks the energy that was an early season trademark and kept them in games against the best. I think it is a first round exit. I think the coach should be fired now. I think the team should let Joe go and make a full court press for D wade. A bonofide go to guy in crunch time who can fit into this team.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 9th, 2010
12:09 am

“The Hawks can improve in every area, but this “aint no” championship team regardless of who’s coaching.”

I’m not expecting them to be a championship team. I am expecting them to make progress over last year’s team. Last year’s team got swept in the 2nd round of the playoffs as a 4 seed. Will this team even make the 2nd round of the playoffs?

Rick Sund

March 9th, 2010
12:15 am

Despite the loss, we showed a great deal of UPSIDE. Remember you ungrateful fans we are still LEARNING HOW TO WIN.

KakNiqueTree

March 9th, 2010
12:16 am

0-3 vs. the Knicks hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Grandad

March 9th, 2010
12:17 am

From previous blog:

There’s nothing left to be said concerning the Hawks.
However, I’m with ‘Section 303′, it’s time for “March Madness” anyway.
Good luck in the tourney ‘Hawkz4life’!
You’ve got an ex-teammate up in the great northwest don’t you?

Rick Sund

March 9th, 2010
12:18 am

No, we are 1-3 against the Knicks and that’s definitely POTENTIAL.

Rick Sund

March 9th, 2010
12:24 am

Josh’s jumper is coming along quite well. I would have to say that Joe is truly showing that he deserves a MAX CONTRACT. I think that many of you fans EXPECT too much. When we get to the 50 win mark, we will then become an ELITE team.

JeJe

March 9th, 2010
12:26 am

BIBBY IS WORST DEFENDER IN NBA

I AM NOT EXAGGERATING

WORST DEFENDER IN THE NBA. EVERYONE KNOWS IT. THE MAGIC ANNOUCNERS KNOW IT, DIMESMACK KNOWS IT, WE KNOW IT. HE IS ABSOLUTE GARBAGE. HE IS OVERWEIGHT, OLD, DOES NOTHING ON OFFENSE BESIDES SHOOT AWKWARD CONTESTED SHOTS. HE COMMITS RETARDED DOUBLE TEAMS, LEAVING DEADLY SHOOTERS OPEN

2 MORE YEARS OF THIS OLDASS HASBEEN, AND 4 MORE YEARS OF MARVIN WILLIAMS. LMAO DUDE HAS A PLAYER OPTION ON HIS 5TH YEAR. DIDN’T EVEN GET 1 CONTRACT OFFER FROM ANYONE BESIDES HAWKS

JeJe

March 9th, 2010
12:28 am

WHY IS THIS TEAM SO BAD DEFENSIVELY? WHY CAN WE NOT STOP ANYONE?

WHY DO WE KEEP LOSING TO HORRENDOUSLY AWFUL TEAMS?

LOSING TO THE WARRIORS? KNICKS 3 TIMES?

SWEPT BY OKC?

LOSE 3 TO MIAMI?

THIS TEAM IS DONE. YEAH THEY’RE 4TH SEED BUT 2ND ROUND THE SWEEP WILL GO BY FASTER THAN A NEW YORK MINUTE.

NO OFFENSIVE SCHEME, HORRENDOUS COACHING, AN UNDERUTILIZED AND UNDEVELOPED BENCH

A “SUPERSTAR” WHO BALLHOGS MORE THAN KOBE

JAMAL CRAWFORD WHO HAS BEEN MORE UNSELFISH LATELY AND HAS BEEN SLUMPING TOO EVEN THOUGH HE COULD’VE SHOT MORE TODAY

JOSH SMITH WHO PUTS UP NICE NUMBERS AND HAS BEEN A LEADER, BUT STILL IS A HORRENDOUS PASSER (WHO THE HELL KEEPS SAYING HE’S A GOOD PASSER?) HE PASSES PLAYERS THE BALL WHEN THEY’RE 2 FEET AWAY BEHIND THE BASKET. ALSO CANNOT HIT A FREAKING FT

MARVIN AND BIBBY = DEADWEIGHT. USELESS PLAYERS

JeJe

March 9th, 2010
12:29 am

OKC ISNT AWFUL BUT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SWEPT

Najeh Davenpoop

March 9th, 2010
12:33 am

JeJe, OKC is a borderline elite team at this point. I would even argue they are more or less what we want the Hawks to be. The Hawks got off to a fast start and are sliding; the Thunder got off to a slow start and are surging. Right now I would pick the Thunder to beat all but the top two teams in the East in a 7-game series.

TheAntiMe

March 9th, 2010
1:20 am

WTF? Not again!

tyler

March 9th, 2010
1:21 am

i highly doubt that this team makes the 2nd round. It looks like it’s gonna be the Raptors either way you look at it and it’s not gonna happen. Way too inconsistent! The Knicks stink and they somehow own us. Well- look at it this way, a first round exit will probably send Woody packing!

northcyde

March 9th, 2010
2:00 am

I guess all fan bases are like ours. LOL . . I guess. I don’t know though.

I need to check the Denver, Utah, Phoenix, and San Antonio boards, seeing that they have the exact same problems we do on the road. The saving grace for those teams, is that like we are, they are dominant home teams. That’s what will make all of us 50 win teams at the end of the season.

But I just don’t get why you fans freak out over a road loss to the Knicks, and try to correlate that into how the Hawks will do for the rest of the season and in the playoffs? The NBA doesn’t work like that folks. Every game is not a life and death situation, and every win or loss doesn’t determine how you’ll play in the future.

We lost a game we should’ve won on the road . . OMG . . the Hawks are doomed.

LOL . . year right.

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Hawks lose @ Charlotte in November

FANS: OMG . . how can we lose to Charlotte? We just beat Portland on the road and were 4 – 1 going into that game? And we lose to the BOBCATS by 20? JJ sux . . trade Josh Smith . . and FIRE WOODY.

Hawks then go on to win 7 straight games

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Hawks lose @ Detroit at the end of November

FANS: OMG . . THE PISTONS? WE LOSE TO THE PISTONS? How can this happen? We let a guy with no eyebrows beat us? We were 12 – 4. An elite team. And the PISTONS BEAT US? JJ sux . . Marvin sux . . and FIRE WOODY

Hawks then go on to win 7 of their next 8 games

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Hawks lose at home to the Knicks in early January

FANS: THE KNICKS? THE (( bleepin )) KNICKS? HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN? And NATE ROBINSON? We let a Monchichi torch us like he was Jordan? I told you this team was a fraud!! We’ve lose 6 of our last 8. We’re not forreal. We’re going to fall to the 6th seed. JJ sux . . Bibby sux . . and FIRE WOODY.

Hawks then go on to win 8 of their next 11 games

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Hawks lose @ Golden St 3 weeks ago

FANS: THE WARRIORS? ARE YOU (( bleepin )) KIDDING ME? They’re a D-League team with 2 gunning guards, no center, and we can’t even beat THEM? Yeah, we’re 34 – 20, but we’re not elite. I hate this team!!! JJ sux . . . Marvin AND Bibby sux . . and FIRE WOODY

Hawks then go on to win 6 of their next 7 games

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This team is so much more mentally tougher than its fan base, even if they do play schizophrenic on the road. A bad loss to the Knicks will only make this team stronger. That’s why they haven’t lose more than 2 games in a row but ONE TIME all year.

Lord knows what the responses will be on this board, if we win 3 out of 4 vs San Antonio, Orlando, the Lakers, and Cleveland. I guess people will be talking NBA Title then.

Woody and the Hawks have been straightening these little bouts of adversity out all year. I expect nothing different in the coming weeks.

Clyde

March 9th, 2010
2:11 am

Its official. Fire Woody is the most common used phrase ever on the AJC Hawks blog.

Bibby is making the Hawks front office look real dumb right now. A muti-million dollar contract to score 1 point in 20 minutes of play. SMH. I just don’t understand.

FIRE WOODY

jj

March 9th, 2010
2:16 am

History says,”Nero fiddled while Rome burned”.I wonder what The Group is doing?

northcyde

March 9th, 2010
2:29 am

The Hawks are 20-17 in their last 37 games, for a .540 winning percentage.

LOL . . it’s all in how you want to frame the Hawks season sir.

* 27 – 17 in our last 44 games ( .612 )

* 20 – 17 in our last 37 games ( .541 ) . . the stat shown to show the Hawks in the worst most possible light.

* 19 – 11 in our last 30 games ( . 633 )

* 14 – 9 in our last 23 games ( .609 )

* 10 – 6 in our last 16 games ( .625 )

* 6- 3 in our last 9 games ( .667 )

It’s all in how you want to frame the season sir. It’s funny how the AJC writers, and some of you fans, want to characterize our season from that 19 – 6 start we had . . with that 20 – 17 stat since . . . like the Hawks have been barely mediocre or something.

In our last 25 games, we’re 15 – 10 ( .600 )

That’s why I contend that the people in Atlanta, some of our fans, and some of the AJC sportswriters, really don’t like Woody, JJ, or this team as a whole. You guys always try to go negative.

I bet Schultz and/or Bradley is writing an article right now about the Knick loss, and how that proves that we’re not ready for the playoffs. LOL. The Hawks are simply playing like the Hawks.

A top 10 team . . but not a top 3 team.

Clyde

March 9th, 2010
2:32 am

Hey Grandad, Ken Strickland and JEJE

Have any of all seen that Woody lover Samuel lately? The Hawks are playing so bad that he’s embarrased to post anymore.

Mike Bibby had 1 point, 2 rebounds, 1 assist, and 2 fouls in 21 minutes of play. Yet Bibby is getting paid 6 million a year. With Bibby the Hawks are passing on the tradition of wasting money. I thought they learned they lesson with speedy claxton but i guess some organizations are just hard headed.

FIRE WOODY

northcyde

March 9th, 2010
2:44 am

Correction:

It’s actually 21 – 17 ( .553 ) since the 19 – 6 start . . . and 28 – 17 ( .622 ) in our last 45 games.

NOTE: If we’d kept winning at our 19 – 6 clip ( .760 ) . . we’d be 48 – 15 . . the 2nd best team in the league, and 1 game behind the Cavaliers . . . and on pace to go 63 – 19

YEP . . those sure were the expectations around here about the Hawks to start the season. 63 wins.

rocknblues81

March 9th, 2010
2:57 am

Northcyde really likes to sniff the hawks players jockstraps.

The Hawks struggle to be really good healthy teams. In fact, they almost never do. Despite their record, there is a very good chance the Hawks could lose a playoff series to any team not named NJ.

Even a series with Washington would probably go 6 or 7 games. For the most part, the Hawks are only good at beating a team here and here. That rarely show a consistent high level of play against any team.

Northcyde can continue to fight the good fight all he wants… but the bottomline is that when the playoffs start, the Hawks aren’t good far. Anyone that thinks otherwise is stupid.

rocknblues81

March 9th, 2010
3:02 am

The later it gets into the season, the worse the hawks are playing.

They don’t play REAL basketball. They play junk ball… Not just because they play one on one, but they don’t box out and they almost never defend the 3pt line. 25 years ago, this team wouldn’t win 25 games.

rocknblues81

March 9th, 2010
3:10 am

If this is a top 10 team it’s just at that 10 spot and they’re so far away from LA, Cleveland, Orlando and even Denver that being a top 10 team isn’t impressive. Even in wins… Outside of like 2 games, the team has scraped by since the all star break.

northcyde

March 9th, 2010
3:16 am

rocknblues . . . I’m not sniffing anything. All I’m doing are stating the FACTS about this team. But you guys want to make sweeping generalizations about the Hawks ( whether it be positive or negative . . mostly negative ) . . based on 2 to 4 game stretches.

LOL . . this is an 82 game season. Not a 4 or even a 10 game season.

See . . in the quest to want the Hawks to be elite, you guys downgrade this team tremendously. I’m simply not going to let you guys get away with that crap.

The NBA season is a straight up GRIND in which you’re going to have peaks and valleys. Yeah, they’re not playing perfect. But they’ve still managed to win 6 out of every 10 games throughout the season. For some reason though, people either hate that . . or expect this team to do more . . even if they don’t have the overall talent to do more.

But for some reason, you people hate the FACTS about this team. Instead of wishing for this team to play like Cleveland, how about appreciating them playing like the Hawks. LOL . . even though their struggles are maddening at times, it makes the season that much more interesting. You literally have to watch EVERY GAME of this team, because you never know how they’re going to play.

What’s funny though, is that people KNOW that Marvin and Bibby have been inconsistent as hell . . and the bench have played below average ball all year. Yet, people expect this team to be a lot better than what they are?

Really?

With a struggling veteran PG and a SF that shows up every now and then?

Really?

It is what it is folks. Until guys start playing better, we’ll continue to be that “good” team that wins 6 or 7 out of 10 games.

And if JJ and Crawford struggle with their shot, then it makes winning games all the more harder.

2 game losing streak . . the Hawks are doomed.

Until JJ and Crawford start making shots again. Then everything will be all good. You guys can push the panic button if you want to . . like you’ve been doing all year with this team.

I’m simply enjoying the ride, waiting to see how this team performs in the playoffs.

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 9th, 2010
3:49 am

lol people….Woodson said enough in post game interview. That was the most telling moment of the ENTIRE season. THE MAN TOLD ON HIMSELF!!!!!!

I want Woodson worshippers to tell me something. How in the he11 is woodson a good coach, when after 4 games against the knicks…all he can say is “they just match up well with us..FOR SOME REASON”

Do you mean to tell me that after 4 games, an NBA level coach cant figure out what the problem is concerning his team when they face a certain other team???????

NBA coaches make IN GAME adjustments. This clown said HIMSELF he cant even figure out whats wrong after having played FOUR GAMES against the knicks. lol is he serious????

Its one thing for a coach to analyze something going on in a game, try to make adjustments and you still just cant win….but this man is saying he doesnt even know whats going on AT ALL.

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 9th, 2010
3:58 am

Teams like Golden State and New York have lots of guys who can shoot it and create their own shots. They have some talent. You wonder, why their records are so bad? Well, they are small teams and COACHES/TEAMS take advantage of that.

Idioitically, Woodson and the Hawks PLAY INTO the favor of teams like those. The Hawks simply dont have as many guys as GS and NY that can create their own shot……they get into a battle of jump shots and ISOs….and either lose or allow the team to put up a good game against em.

rocknblues81

March 9th, 2010
4:05 am

Yes, you do sniff jocks. Your criticism of this team when they have poor performances are FAR less.

“What’s funny though, is that people KNOW that Marvin and Bibby have been inconsistent as hell . . and the bench have played below average ball all year. Yet, people expect this team to be a lot better than what they are?”

Last year Bibby averaged 15PPG. But they’ve seen him drop to basically 7PPG over the last 2 or 3 months. Bibby is paid a lot of money to mostly just hit open shots and he can’t even do that correctly. People have the right to be mad when people aren’t doing their jobs. And Mike sure isn’t doing his job.

“I’m simply enjoying the ride, waiting to see how this team performs in the playoffs.”

The fact that this team can mostly only take a game here or there doesn’t bode well for the playoffs where you got to beat the same team 4 out of 7 times. They barely got Miami last year when Wade was basically all Miami had and his series wasn’t all that great either.

The team did play Toronto well, but Toronto was playing a lot worse back then.

Like I said, the Hawks could very well lose a series to anyone in the east not named NJ. The Knicks could probably be the Hawks in a playoff series. Maybe even Washington.

People aren’t sold on this team for a reason. They play a crappy brand of basketball. When you watch games, you can see that. Even in wins they can only play well for short spurts. This team is NOT as good as it’s record suggests. They’ve been healthy all year and that is the ONLY reason reason they have a shot at 50 wins. But beating a healthy team 4 times out of 7 is a different ball game than the regular season where they have caught a lot of teams hurt and/or playing on a back to back.

The playoffs show how good a team really is and there is little reason to believe this team can go deep into the playoffs.

vava74

March 9th, 2010
4:33 am

Northcyde,

you are simply delirious. our winning record is deceiving and built mostly with wins against mid to low level teams plus some wins against winning ball clubs which were either undermanned or extremely tired in the back end of their east trips or BOTH.

Rod,

I wasn’t saying that I am particularly happy with Marvin’s performance. What I said is that he was not a negative factor yesterday and at least in the 4th quarter he seemed to contribute.

To put it in a simple way: our line up with Jamal, JJ, Marvin, Josh and Al usually is more effective defensively than if you replace Marvin with Bibby, in particular because Bibby is either ahooting poorly or not shooting at all to compensate his lack of defense.

Again on yesterday’s game: JJ made some bad decisions yesterday, missed a clutch FT and a few defensive assignments. He looks tired AGAIN. and that is why I believe that his production should/could be better if he was more rested and if Woody called the ISO ONLY AT TH END OF GAMES AS A LAST RESORT SITUATION RATHER THAN CONSISTENTLY.

Defenses adapt to JJ’s game throughout the match and we should not give them the opportunity to do so.

If Woody can’t trust Teague than we should consider going extra big with a starting line up of JJ, Mo, Marvin, Josh and Al.

JJ can handle the point – he already does – but focusing in driving and dishing, or posting and passing out.

Mo is quick enough to guard most PGs and he would certainly not do a worst job than Bibby. Also, he has enough handles to play his natural SG position.

Then Jamal would come in to relieve JJ from the PG duties

vava74

March 9th, 2010
4:36 am

This way we would still have Jamal working as the 6th man, moving to th SG slot with either Bibby or Teague coming in for Mo.

Then we could also use Josh at the SF slot with Joe S coming in for Marvin.

I think that this would keep opponents guessing a lot more than they do now.

tjhook

March 9th, 2010
5:02 am

start mo evans at the two and put JJ at the three and have the team push the ball at the start of the game to get momentum going. But that would take pressure off of Woody to coach, wouldn’t it?

northcyde

March 9th, 2010
5:12 am

vava . . I’m sorry man, but that’s all BS.

The same teams we beat to give us our record, are the same teams those other “elite” and “good” teams beat, to give them their record. No one had sympathy for us when we were hurt last year in the playoffs. So I’m damn sure not going to have sympathy for teams that we play, that are hurting. And I’m not going to diminish what the Hawks have done, simply because people have been out, or because you feel that they weren’t “up to par”.

You guys simply overreact to wins and losses around here. You always have. If we beat Orlando in 2 weeks, some of you will be championing that we can take them in a series. If we beat the Lakers, some of you will say that we’re NBA Finals bound.

LOL . . you guys want this Knick loss to be the start of something terrible, and it simply isn’t going to happen.

I’m just laughing at you guys though forreal. Lose a bad game, and it’s total chaos around here. Yet, you all think that you could stomach Woody giving the bench guys more playing time, even if we lost?

LOL . . no way. No way in hell.

You guys are simply way too emotional over each win and loss. This is NOT college football, in which a bad loss can kill your season. This is the NBA.

This is pretty much the same reaction you guys had to the Golden St loss 3 weeks ago.

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 9th, 2010
5:31 am

northcyde, what’s with all the talk about how guys are overreacting about “a” game. I could have swore we blew it against the heat too. You’re acting like it was this one game. The hawks pull this same act too much and people just really want to see this team get over the hump, yet they regress.

you said

“This is pretty much the same reaction you guys had to the Golden St loss 3 weeks ago.”

as if guys were overreacting and something great happened after that to prove the Hawks were playing like a contender again.

Since that game we’ve gone 6-3, with 5 of the wins against Minnesota, Philly, Golden State, Milwaukee, and Chicago. That’s nothing to to brag or really feel good about. lol those are teams we’re supposed to beat anyway. Even with that said, we had to squeak by Golden State and Milwaukee, and couldnt even put Minnesota away …ALL at home.

So whats so great about our 6-3 record since the GS lost? All we’ve done is look like a team headed for an early exit from the playoffs.

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 9th, 2010
5:38 am

We’ll see what the Hawks are really made of though. From here on out….with the exceptions of a home game against Indiana and a home game against Toronto….the remainder of our schedule ’til the end of the regular season is either

1) a road game
or
2) home games against teams who’ve given us trouble.

Good Luck.

northcyde

March 9th, 2010
6:08 am

My bad Mac.

2 game losing streak to Miami and New York . . . 2 – 6 vs those teams

OH NO . . . Season Over. (( crying ))

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People want this team to play perfect. When they don’t play perfect, they whine and complain to the heavens, win or lose. Grinding out a win vs a “bad” team isn’t good enough for folks. We have to beat them by 20, to prove how “elite” we are. Yet, that’s what the other teams do, especially when playing those “bad” teams on the road.

Honestly, the only thing I’m keeping my eye on lately, is JJ’s shooting. His shooting has been very erratic the past 6 games, yet, we’re 4 – 2 in those games. LOL . . that’s why I’m not worried one bit about this team one bit. Our star player is struggling a little lately, yet, the team is still right there . . grinding through it all.

The minute JJ gets his groove back, this team will take off again. I mean . . unless people think he’s going to shoot below 40% FG for the rest of the year. Some probably do though.

The Real Hawk

March 9th, 2010
6:55 am

You let a losing team shoot 50% and 11-15 threes. what do you expect?
We will never be an elite team if you will not put away losing teams. (see Mia).
It’s coaching (or lack of same).

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 9th, 2010
6:55 am

So basically you have no worries, because you believe once Joe “Gets it going” again…..everything is going to be ok???

I’m worried about the playoffs. You’re putting a lot of faith in a guy who pulled a disappearing act in the playoffs last year, and isnt that
dependable in the clutch even when he does have it going. (This doesnt mean he never shows up in the clutch, but not as much as a real SUPERSTAR…or for as
much ball hoggin as he does in the 4th)

OK, even if he does, can we expect Joe to be hot for even half of the games in the playoffs? Because he’s shown otherwise.
Even if he does get hot….Who’s to say players on the opposing teams wont either. Joe getting his shot back still wont compensate
for other things like poor defense, poor coaching, underachievers (marvin and bibby), size disadvantages down low, etc.

The fact of the matter is, this team has several issues that need to be addressed. lol you’re delusional if you simply think Joe regaining his touch
again is going to solve all (or even half) of our problems. You act like ol buddy is Jordan or something. He’s a good player but come on now.

Astro Joe

March 9th, 2010
7:05 am

northcyde, you’re wrong. The teams ahead of us don’t play mid/poor teams, they only play the elite and they only play them on the road, while missing 6 of 5 starters, with their coach fighting off a stomach flu and the mascot riddled with ticks, fleas and a bad case of poison oak.

Knicks were red-hot from deep and the Hawks had a chance to win the game by getting a starting big to convert a dunk from a foot outside of the rim.

Clyde

March 9th, 2010
7:12 am

If Marvin and Bibby continue to play like this Woody will be fired after we get swept in the first round.

FIRE WOODY

vava74

March 9th, 2010
7:33 am

Astro,

EVERYONE is red hot from deep against us. EVERYONE.

Starting with the loss at Charlotte when Bell looked like an all of famer (actually it started in the pre-season against ORL), we have consistently been torched from 3 point land by almost everybody: from scubs to stars.

Here is the list of guys who shot the lights out from 3 point land:

CHA: Bell, everyone playing in the perimeter in the ORL team; NY: Harrington, Nate, Duhon, Chandler, Galinari, Walker (!!); GS: Curry, Ellis, Tolliver (!!!); Miami: Decquan Cook, Quentin, Wade, Beasley (not volume, but important shots); Por: Rudy @ Atl which almost cost us the game; Den: JR Smith; OK: Green; DAL: Kidd (!); NO: Peja (looked younger than ever) plus almost everyone else in the away game when the NO team shot 12-17!!!!; CLE: Mo, VAREJÃO and ZIGGY (!!!!!!!)

richbrave

March 9th, 2010
7:41 am

From the commentary on the game, I recognize it well as visions of WIZARDS unis dance in my head.

Off to ATLANTIC CITY Thursday see my SPIDERS on Friday. Got to get my bets down early. KEVIN ANDERSON (NORTH DeKALB) named Player of the Year in the A-10, and DAVID GONZALVEZ (MARIETTA) on the all defensive first team.

O'Brien

March 9th, 2010
8:00 am

Hawks should not have lost this game. Doesn’t Woody realize that the switching defense does not work all the time (especially against teams with good perimeter shooters)? He needs to be able to adjust. Amd what’s up with the players not giving the effort on D?

Maybe Woody needs to talk to Marvin, Bibby and ZaZa (who were all resigned by Sund this past offseason) every week, because they seem to have gone back in their shell. Marvin and ZaZa are still young, and they might turn it around. But Bibby is old and slow, and we still have him for 2 more years after this one.

The good news is that the Hawks play up to their competition, and they play down to their competition, so I expect a better showing in the playoffs, because I think they will be more focused then.

northcyde,

Where has Joe Smith been for the last 6 quarters (after having a good first half against Miami)? And Bibby played 21 minutes, despite only getting 1 point, 2 rebs, and 1 assist, while playing horrible defense, but yet Teague got no minutes in the second half. I just think Woody needs to do a better job with his bench usage (not just Teague).

TheAntiMe

March 9th, 2010
8:05 am

I really hate to beat a dead horse, but it’s really inexcusable this late in the season that Jeff Teague is not getting some meaningful minutes. When Bibby is on the court, the only time he benfits the Hawks on offense is when he is making 3-pointers (which isn’t happening so much these days). On defense, with Bibby on the floor the opposing team is virtually on a power play as it seems like the Hawks are a man short.

While it’s true that the Hawks have more depth off of the bench this season than in the past 2 years, they aren’t so deep that they can allow their top draft pick to waste away on the bench, especially when the starting PG is such a liability. Woody just doesn’t freaking get it!

Hawk n the Ham

March 9th, 2010
8:05 am

Woody didn’t call a timeout because he thought we had “nimbers”.

ILL-logical

March 9th, 2010
8:09 am

3 things are very clear after last night’s game:

1. The energy level that was so constant,especially on defense, at the beginning of the season is gone.I attribute it to the non use of the bench/ poor substitution patterns: the 3 guys wh get anytime all come in at pre arranged times and play only an alloted amount of minutes no matter what is actually happening in the game. Solution: use the end of the third quarter and the first three minutes of the fourth to rest the key players,ie Josh and Joe for the push during the 4th quarter.

2. The lack of energy in the early part of the game requires a superior and consistent effort to catch up at the end of the game which cannot and will not happen every game. the guys are conserving energy in order to play through the 4th quarter. Solution: Adjust the starting line up and place Bibby and Marvin in a position to play hard against second teamers in order to maintain a higher level of productivity throughout the game. Jamal starts at point but plays the same number of minutes as well as his 4th quarter role. Mo starts at the 2 with joe starting at the 3 but again, their 4th quarter roles and minutes remain the same. the big difference would be offensive production from the bench.

3. The guys are adjusting,albeit slowly, to getting the frontcourt more involved in the offense. Joe is no longer the entire show, but the adjustments to that state of affairs is going to take some more time. Solution: continue to develope an offense that features a more balanced approach in terms of jump shooting and points in the paint. That is where the team’s future is and how well they balance the offense and keep thie energy level on defense will determine their future success. And I believe that the Hawks will have a good playoff run inspite of their recent woes.

terrell

March 9th, 2010
8:17 am

I wouldn’t put my $ on the Hawks against a D-League team in a 7 game series. Seriously!

Section 303

March 9th, 2010
8:25 am

northclyde, while I agree there is overreaction to losses, the Hawks are not just going to flip a swtich and start playing well again. They play like they think they are the Lakers: just hang in and let Kobe bail us out. Only…no Kobe on our team.

This is an immature team. Destined to lose in the first round. They are not as good as they think they are.

So much for all that “we have to play more scrappy than the other team” BS Joe Johnson was spinning at the break. Since then they have only been out scrapped by every team they have played.

Nacho

March 9th, 2010
8:26 am

Bibby should not be on the court. Why won’t Woody realize that? Put anyone in, at least Mario can contribute on defense, defensive effort does not go into slumps like Bibby’s shot.

Bibby contributes nothing as a point guard, he is merely a shooter who is very unathletic.

Big Ray

March 9th, 2010
8:27 am

Dear Northcyde ,

Sports blogs are places people can go to for the purpose of venting, discussing, debating, etc. The last time I got to hear a series of sermons on how bad the fans were, how emotional they are, blah blah…it was somebody posting as Kirkinga . Oh, you sound JUST like him. I figure either you aren’t the same person, or you won’t admit to it if you are. Doesn’t matter one whit…

Something tells me the Celtics fans had fits about us sweeping the season series with them. Laker fans are seeting about losses to inferior teams (which would be the ENTIRE WESTERN CONFERENCE for starters) and complain about Kobe. Wake up from the Walgreen’s commercial and realize where you are. Of course, if you really want to take a stab at fans, go to a sports bar and tell them they should quit reacting with so much emotion. Tell them not to say “player X sucks”. Tell them not to boo. Tell them to quit having their opinion, because they don’t have a right to it. Tell them you’re laughing at them because they expect perfection, and shouldn’t have anything negative to say. Tell them everything you say here, if you have the stones to do it. The only thing funnier than you coming with that “holier than thou” stuff on a BLOG of all places, would be you trying to do the same thing in a sports bar….or better yet, in Phillips Arena.

But do yourself a favor. Call security first, because there is the chance that somebody (particularly somebody with a few drinks in his system) will take exception to your sermons and WHIP YOUR BUTT all the way back to your parking space. Think you might have an overly emotional reaction to that? LOL…

Nacho

March 9th, 2010
8:31 am

The next adjustment that Woody makes will be his first. Woody has taken this team as far as he can.

Big Ray

March 9th, 2010
8:33 am

I just don’t agree with the idea that Bibby shouldn’t be on the court at all.

He is struggling like crazy, but he does have the ability to contribute. It’s just that his ability to contribute has become less consistent by a significant margin, and he appears to be degenerating.

I can’t stand by and act like all is well. Our defense is worse this year than it was last year. Our offense is better than last year’s, but suddenly teams are able to neutralize it via the zone defense.

I’m not buying that the Knicks were red hot from deep as an excuse for last night’s loss.

So were the Warriors. BOTH times they played us? Same with the Knicks? Same with Detroit? There are parallels to be drawn here. We’re not a lock to lose the first round of the playoffs. We’re not a lock to win, either. I like this team, but I’m not excited about what they will do next. I don’t like roller coaster rides, and one of the keys to becoming one of the better/best teams in the league is to not have those dips and valleys so often.

Astro Joe

March 9th, 2010
8:33 am

Vava, yeah, we are a bad defensive team against the 3-ball. You’re right. That’s one of this team’s weaknesses. Congrats on that discovery. The good news is that relatively speaking, we have few weaknesses than all but 3 teams in our conference. And in comparison to those other teams, we have the 4th best “elite player”, the 4th best coach, the 4th best bench and the 4th best payroll. And surprise, surpirse, we’re the 4th best team. Shocking development.

Big Ray

March 9th, 2010
8:35 am

What are fans supposed to think when the coach, GM, and players are talking about becoming an elite team? Didn’t JJ say he wanted to be an elite player this year?

Well then why is it so silly for fans to hold these people to the standards they set? An inconvenient fact for the self-righteous, I’m afraid. Fans didn’t set the bar any higher than the team, coaching staff, and front office did.

Chips

March 9th, 2010
8:39 am

I thought Mike Woodson was talking about being better than 4th in the East. He said something about winning the division ahead of the Magic. I guess maybe Mike Woodson did not get the memo about all that other 4th place stuff and was just talking out of the side of his neck. Somebody should have told him and the players that the hawks are 4th in everything and have absolutely no chance of being better.

Section 303

March 9th, 2010
8:40 am

Big Ray, it kills me when players whine about fans ripping them, too (not that the Hawks have done that). But, they want the big crowds, national TV games, and all the glory. Just don’t want to hear the backlash when things don’t go well. Think they would rather everyone be sheep (northclyde, looking in your direction here) and just smile, pay their money at the door, and pat them on the back for losing to bad teams.

Big Ray

March 9th, 2010
8:45 am

Terrell ,

Oh, come on. On the other hand, if we continue to enjoy the good health that we’ve had, we should expect to have a better showing in the playoffs. Last year, with injuries to key personnel, we let the Miami Heat push us to 7 games, but still won. And we got swept in the second round while dealing with yet more injuries. This year, with everybody healthier, and another proven scorer in Jamal, we should not only close out the first series a bit faster (or so I hope), but we should not get swept in the 2nd round. That may not seem like a very big expectation, but not getting swept is an improvement, however marginal.

Chips ,

Don’t get Astro started. Please. I just can’t take that much sarcasm and smarm this early. It’s like getting out of bed and having some hard liquor with your breakfast…..once the day wears on, you can enjoy it for what it is….

joshua

March 9th, 2010
8:46 am

Games like these make me lose hope in the team. I am a Hawks fan for life but if we can’t beat teams that we should beat, how can we expect to win against teams that most people think we will lose against? How do we expect to even play a Orlando Magic team in the playoffs (if we get there) if we can’t beat a lowly New York Knicks team? Frustrating.

Astro Joe

March 9th, 2010
8:51 am

Ray, excuse me if I don;t get outraged whena team falls short of their lofty goals. It seems like a fan can also choose to look across at other teams and sprinkle a little reality into their expectations. Heck, if it were so easy to just “declare it and it will be” then most of us would “declare it” in our lives.

Big Ray

March 9th, 2010
8:53 am

Section 303 ,

I hear ya. I think we all take criticism on our jobs. Of course, most of us don’t get to play a game for a living, become a millionaire while we’re at it, and retire after a decade or so (most of the time well before you’re 40 yrs old). I can get down with debating opinions any day, but I don’t do so well with being told how to think or feel. Neither should anybody else…

I don’t think all players feel that way, or even all the time. But sometimes they do. Sometimes I wish people would let me do my job and stop commenting on how it should be done (when they can’t do it, and wouldn’t know how). But then, I don’t work in entertainment. The average John Q. Public is NOT paying my salary (though some love to tell you that). I pay taxes, too. But it’s all good.

Astro Joe

March 9th, 2010
8:56 am

OK, so I just said to my co-workers in the conference room “I am going to earn $25,000 in bonuses this year and be the company’s top employee”.

That’s it… done deal. I’m going to go and shop for my elite home theater tomorrow. If anyone wants a big-screen plasma, let me know… I can give you the words to use to ensure that your goal is met.

Big Ray

March 9th, 2010
9:00 am

Astro Joe ,

Uh, sure….okay. You’re excused. I didn’t ask you to be outraged, though. We all vent. Haven’t I seen you vent about a particular player, or a particular play? I’ve seen you outraged about a certain guy getting 0 rebounds in a game last year. Hell, for a minute there, you kept bringing it up like it happened yesterday.

One man’s vent moment is another man’s outrage, I guess. Seems you and your newfound northern pal are “outraged” at other fans. Heh…go figure…blogs are amusing, which is why I like blogging so much, something I suspect you find a commonality in as well. Besides, you can’t sling that much sarcasm around the house…they’ll think you’re a cantankerous old man!

And leave Vava alone. Don’t you know his moniker is Portugese for “full of vim, vigar, vitality, and vinegar”?

Just KIDDING Vava ….we know how you Europeans is….LOL

Astro Joe

March 9th, 2010
9:02 am

Hey guys, I just got a call from Rihanna, she’s picking up Kim Kardashian and Shakira and they headed over here now. Man, this “just say it and it becomes true” thing is really working out well. I’ll be busy for the next 6 minutes. Chat later.

Big Ray

March 9th, 2010
9:03 am

Geez Joe , find the coffee pot and stop chewing that straw….it’ll give you cotton mouth something fierce….LOL….there has to be another way to put more fiber in your diet….Holy hell you are reaching….

I couldn’t work with you, man. You’d have me laughing or kicking you out of the cruiser, one or the other, LOL

O'Brien

March 9th, 2010
9:05 am

“That’s high on our list,” Woodson said. “That’s the goal, to try to push Orlando for it. They are going to be there when it counts, as well.”

AJ,

If you say you’re going to earn $25,000 in bonuses, and you’re working your tail off, then I dont think anyone will fault you or hold it against you if you fall a little short. But if you’re slacking off, or making the same mistakes over and over that make it difficult to reach your goal, then thats a different story.

Among the big 4, although we have the 4th best bench, and the 4th highest payroll etc, we still have the potential to be the #2 seed, and as fans, we just want to see our team reach their potential.

JeJe

March 9th, 2010
9:08 am

Woodson boasted this year how he finally has a bench.So why does not use it?

WHY DOES HE KEEP BURNING OUT THE STARTERS?

WHY DOES HE NOT MAKE IN-GAME ADJUSTMENTS?

BUT NORTHCYDE IS RIGHT: WE ARE THE TITLE CONTENDERS

JeJe

March 9th, 2010
9:10 am

i told you all

ORLANDO WOULD GO HOT AFTER THE BREAK. THEY WILL WIN THE EAST AND EVENTUALLY THE TITLE.

ORLANDO IS THE DEEPEST TEAM IN THE NBA AND HAS GUYS LIKE MATT BARNES WHO WILL MAKE 3′S AND CONFRONT U

WE HAVE NO ONE TO CONFRONT OTHER PLAYERS, NO ONE TO RETALIATE. WE HAVE MARVIN WILLIAMS, WHO ENDS UP ON THE GROUND AFTER CONTESTING AN AL HARRINGTON LAYUP WHICH THERE WAS NEVER CONTACT ON

vava74

March 9th, 2010
9:12 am

Ray,

I can take whatever you want to throw at me!

I have no problem with Astro, I know that he feels the same and probably breaks things at home when he watches the Hawks, complaining about the same things I do.

He simply gets a kick out of stating otherwise around here. It makes him sound “senatorial” and “balanced” instead of just a normal sports fan and if that is his thing, I am OK with it.

It’s his bad, not mine.

Perhaps when we fail dramatically in the playoffs he will come down to earth and share with us his frustrations like everyone else.

Now, changing the subject, I think you should launch a new thread on the Hawks’ Nest:

Who should replace Woody at the end of the season? Remember that we don’t have the $$ to hire the Avery’s and the Scott’s, so we need to be creative.

My gut feeling tells me that Laimbeer would be a good choice, however, I have a feeling the a black coach would be a better PR choice.

I have no idea if Laimbeer is really a good coach but his record in the WNBA and his past in the NBA as a tough and smart player seem to indicate that he should do well.

Any thoughts? Michael Cooper as an alternative?

Grandad

March 9th, 2010
9:12 am

I re-read Michael’s article/blog and this jumped out @ me:

“Impressive to see the Hawks working hard and helping, but the problem is that kind of spirited effort only lasts for a few possessions at a time.”

One [Wdsn] must understand that a team supposedly built on the foundation of *hardnosed ["spirited"] defense cannot possibly hold
up under the stress of 40/per & 82, + play-offs, while grinding
six good men into submission.
Please note:
*To play hard/spirited/intense, there must be @ least a 9 man rotation
minimum. A real rotation, real and consistant/uniform min. for bench
[Teague], plus real rest for key players: Joe, Josh, Al, Jamal.
*If you have a defense 1st philosophy, then you must commit to a
player such as ‘Teague’ over ‘Bibby’ in crunch time. There is no rationalization one can give that will convince me otherwise.
*hardnosed – we do not have an enforcer. [Oakley/Artest/Mahorn/etc.]
Zaza – would be that, if given the role. He barely plays anymore.
Honestly, we should bring in Reggie Evans.
Little things; kidd’s cheap shot on Wdsn., put in RE, let him take care of business. Joe and Jamal even Teague constanly get hammered going to the hoop and never get a call. Put in RE to clean it up.
(he could be the Hawks-Harvey dahl).
Someone mentioned earlier [our record v LbJ, Kobe, D.Wade, etc.].
I bet RE wouldn’t be afraid to foul that clown in Cleveland.
They’re gonna call it anyway…make it count.
*I’m about sick and tired of Wdsn’s doghouse:
Teague, Joe Smith [I guess], Zaza, Mo [comes & goes], R.Morris [why ?].

I apologize for the pontification.

GeeMack

March 9th, 2010
9:14 am

Why is everyone surprised with were the Hawks are?

This is what the 4th best roster in the East gets you….4th place.

Boston, Clevland, and Orlando begin the season as better teams and they still are.

Astro Joe

March 9th, 2010
9:18 am

Ray, Halle is headed to south GA. Vava, I sent Eva Mendes over your way. OB, you’re getting Barbara Walters. Seriously, how is being, what, 3 games outside of your goal with about 20+ games left “slacking”?

wordy

March 9th, 2010
9:21 am

Is it me or is Josh Smith taking more 15 footers bricks. He makes me cringe when he shoots with 20-15 on the shot clock.

Astro Joe

March 9th, 2010
9:23 am

Vava, Laimbeer is someone I have wanted for a while. Michael Cooper failed in his previous NBA stint (much too soft if I remember correctly). I don’t think the Hawks will worry about a PR friendly move if they replace Woody, they will hopefully hire the best (affordable) candidate and not worry about “PR”. It’s not as if Woody sold a single season-ticket… nor would Mo Cheeks or Byron Scott for that matter. In fact, the type of coach we could afford would not likely sell incremental tickets… that type of affect belongs to brand name coaches who are out of our price range.

JeJe

March 9th, 2010
9:25 am

DALLAS GAVE BAREA 30 MINUTES AND NAJERA 26 MINUTES LAST NIGHT. ARE THESE GUYS THAT MUCH BETTER THAN TEAGUE AND ZAZA COULD BE?

GIVE THE BENCH THE MINUTES U MORON

WonderDawg

March 9th, 2010
9:25 am

I’ve been a Woody supporter since the old days, but I feel he has taken this team as far as he can. He is not a good sideline coach. The last two seasons, the Hawks look like world beaters for the first month. Then opposing coaches figure out how to play them. Woody doesn’t (can’t?) adjust and we finish the season playing .500 ball. And contrary to last season, we’ve had no one injured and out for weeks at the time.

O’Brien, how do you really know we have the 4th best bench? They go days at the time without taking their warmups off. If Woody would play Teague more, he would be a huge boost off the bench, especially when Bibby has bad nights. Leaving the starters in the game basically the whole second half has to take a toll. If Josh would have been rested properly, he would have never gotten that last shot blocked.

I’n not optimistic at all about the playoffs, because while the Hawks have gotten where they are because of pure talent, most of the other teams have been “coached up.” Coaches win playoff series

vava74

March 9th, 2010
9:26 am

Grandad,

You are right on the money: the switching defense is EXTREMELY demanding physically and mentally and to believe that you can get 6/7 guys to work like crazy for a full season doing it consistently is IDIOTIC.

This is also valid within a game: the shortened rotation in the second half are killing us since it is impossible to keep up that defensive intensity with constant movement and attention AND getting anything on the offensive end without rotating your players.

Josh’s botched lay up yesterday was a clear evidence that his legs were dead and the his hops were gone by the end of the game.

Why didn’t we get to see Joe Smith in the game? It’s been 6 quarters in a row!!!

If he feels that he has to rest Joe, why doesn’t he activate RandMo instead of Collins?? What’s the purpose of having Collins in the bench if there isn’t any situation in which he would be used against the Knicks?

It’s bewildering. Yesterday – as it had already happened @ MIA – I was 99,9% SURE THAT WE WOULD LOSE and I wasn’t even nervous. I simply waited (until 3.30 AM) to see how we would manage to lose the game.

Clyde

March 9th, 2010
9:26 am

Lets face it yall the Hawks are just a tease. They are entertaining to watch but when it comes down to it they just don’t have what it takes to win a title.

Woody should have been fired 3 years ago, Bibby’s so old all he can do is bring the ball up the court and hang out by the 3 point line, Marvin runs into people and scores most of his points from the free throw line, and Joe is not a superstar.

If the Atlanta Spirit had a clue on how to run a NBA franchise they would have gotten something for Joe before he leaves. Joe wants to win a ring and everyone (except those who work for the Hawks) know they are nowhere near competing for a championship.

Basketball season needs to hurry up and end so we can get to some football.

FIRE WOODY

Big Ray

March 9th, 2010
9:27 am

Vava ,

Screw PR. I want to win. Black, white, asian, hispanic, just to name a few, I don’t care. I want to win. Screw PR.

Astro ,

Halle? Wait a minute, is that BEFORE or AFTER you’ve…er….talked…to her? I know you, man. You’ve talked about Halle alot. All the same, I couldn’t thank you enough…LOL

chuckw/deadjournalist

March 9th, 2010
9:28 am

have you you seen JJ’s quotes from espn’s daily dime this morning? maybe it was the spin, but he sure sounds like a guy who not only has his bag packed, but is out the door and heading to the car.

horrible effort last night. horrible coaching. the hawks make small guards like j.j. berea and tony douglas look like the second coming of nate archibald.

Big Ray

March 9th, 2010
9:28 am

I believe the switching defense requires certain kinds of players to be effective. Two of our main rotation players don’t fit the bill, and so we struggle with it.

Can’t blame Woody for that part. Can blame Rick Sund, though.

Clyde

March 9th, 2010
9:28 am

What’s the excuse for last night’s lost Woody? Can’t blame the bench for this one.

FIRE WOODY

Clyde

March 9th, 2010
9:29 am

BOB WIESS > WOODY

FIRE WOODY

JeJe

March 9th, 2010
9:32 am

WHY ARE OUR OPPONENTS ALWAYS GETTING WIDE OPEN DUNKS?

I THOUGHT WOODSON WAS A DEFENSIVE COACH. HE ALREADY LET US KNOW HE “DOES NOT GIVE A !@#$% ABOUT THE OFFENSE”…………. WELL IF THAT’S SO THEN AT LEAST COACH SOME DEFENSE. OUR DEFENSE IS HORRENDOUS. JOSH SMITH IS SOLID BUT GAMBLES ON EVERYTHING, HORFORD IS TOO SKINNY, MARVIN SUCKS AND HAS OVERRATED DEFENSE, AND BIBBY PLAYS OFFENSE WHEN HE IS ON THE DEFENSIVE END. THAT’S HOW BAD HE IS

Big Ray

March 9th, 2010
9:32 am

ChuckW ,

Sounds like that more and more. Then again, maybe he’s overreacting emotionally. He needs to read Northcyde’s book: “Proper Emotional Reactions to Sports Related Adversity”. The second volume is titled “How to Tell the Difference Between Adversity and Natural, Expected Results.”

They’re both on sale at the local flea market…

Clyde

March 9th, 2010
9:34 am

“I believe the switching defense requires certain kinds of players to be effective. Two of our main rotation players don’t fit the bill, and so we struggle with it.

Can’t blame Woody for that part. Can blame Rick Sund, though.”

WOODY IS THE COACH SO HE’S THE ONE THAT CALLS THE DEFENSE.

IF OUR PLAYERS DON’T FIT THE BILL THEN HE NEED TO RECOGNIZE IT AND INCORPORATE A NEW DEFENSE. THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE BUT WOODY IS WOODY. HE DOESN’T MAKE ADJUSTMENTS.

FIRE WOODY

Big Ray

March 9th, 2010
9:34 am

Of course, ESPN is a bunch of drama hoes…

But we do seem to be getting that report more and more…as the season begins to wind down, and summer gets a tad closer…

Big Ray

March 9th, 2010
9:35 am

Clyde ,

There is some truth to that….

Clyde

March 9th, 2010
9:35 am

I CAN GET OUT THERE AND SCORE 30 ON BIBBY.

FIRE WOODY

PMC

March 9th, 2010
9:35 am

disapointing ending when they could have won but oh well it happens.

Why in an NBA game are opposing players in the paint all alone dunking balls uncontested? Woody has to be pulling his hair…well now we know what happened to the eyebrows.

We know they can play defense. The question is do they WANT to play defense? That was awful last night.

PMC

March 9th, 2010
9:38 am

The team looks tired on D. 5 hour energies all around?

WonderDawg

March 9th, 2010
9:39 am

I really like Bibby. but now realize it was a mistake for Sund to re-sign him. He gets the minutes Teague would have been getting and by now Teague would be an impact player, instead of a cheerleader. I guess no one realized how much Bibby’s skills had eroded the past 12 months. Hindsight is 20-20.

Astro Joe

March 9th, 2010
9:40 am

So Josh’s failed dunk attempt was Woody’s fault? WOW!

vava74

March 9th, 2010
9:43 am

Astro,

Josh was worn out and had no lift. Look at Josh’s minutes during the past few games.

In particular, look at the number of consecutive minutes played in the second half of recent games.

Com’on not even kidding you can look away from that!

Clyde

March 9th, 2010
9:43 am

BIBBY AND HORFORD IS WHY OUR DEFENSE IS SO BAD. BIBBY PLAYS LIKE HE HAS A GUN ON HIP AND HORFORD IS TOO SOFT TO CONTEST SHOTS. LOOK AT THE REPLAYS WHEN SOMEONE DRIVES THE LANE HORFORD JUST LOOKS UP STANDS THERE FLATFOOTED.

FIRE WOODY

vava74

March 9th, 2010
9:44 am

Astro,

Also, Woody is responsible for the fact that we reached the final seconds of a game against a lottery pick like NY needing a bleeping basket to win…

kerry hillman

March 9th, 2010
9:46 am

That was a tough loss for the hawks against the knicks, However it was a good game,I feel hawks is playin well, However its getting down to playoff time, They can’t let these close games keep slipping away.

Venom

March 9th, 2010
9:46 am

Actually woody is indirectly responsible for Josh missing that dunk. I don’t think ya’ll know what the word fatigue means.

Astro Joe

March 9th, 2010
9:47 am

OK, so Lucifer gets all the blame… does he ever get any credit?

vava74

March 9th, 2010
9:47 am

Clyde,

Don’t lose perspective: EVERYONE IN THE LEAGUE PRAISES HORFORD, in particular for his defense.

He is asked to run in and out of the paint with the switching defense so it is only normal that he can’t be in optimal defensive position all the time.

Clyde

March 9th, 2010
9:49 am

MIKE BIBBY HAS QUIT ON THE TEAM. HE GOT HIS MONEY AND NOW HE’S JUST WAITING TO GET HURT SO HE CAN LIVE OUT THE REST OF HS CONTRACT AT HOME. AND WOODY WANTED SUND TO RESIGN HIM. SMH. NOW BIBBY’S THE ONE THAT’S GONNA GET WODDY’S A$$ FIRED.

FIRE WOODY

Clyde

March 9th, 2010
9:51 am

VAVA YOU RIGHT EVERYONE PRAISES HORFORD FOR HIS DEFENSE. HE GIVES YOU A CLEAR PATH THE BASKET EVERYTIME.

FIRE WOODY

jay dubu

March 9th, 2010
9:59 am

Northcyde, Y

You make a valid point about framing the stats, but for me it’s looking at the big picture. The goal coming into this season was for the Hawks to improve as a team.

It seems to takes several season to get to the championship level before winning the whole thing. When you look at the Hawks, you still see the same flaws from season to season. You can’t just look at wins and losses, you have to look at who they lost to, and how they lost.

The Hawks have had the same personnel all season long, while the Knicks have traded players, and brought in other players. This game should not have been close at all. The Hawks fail to take advantage of opportunities when they are given to them. Remeber how Golden State only had 7 – 8 players when they bea the Hawks out west. Then the next night the Hawks beat a much better team in Utah.

How one team matchs up with another plays a big part in the games outcome, but when the coach says that we were killing them down low, that’s what you should do, until they force you to do something different.

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 9th, 2010
10:10 am

Dennis Felton > Mike Woodson

jay dubu

March 9th, 2010
10:10 am

Someone siad that Golden State and the Knicks have guys that can create their own shots.

Golden State does, but not the Kniocks.

Others here complain about Joe. He’s not a finess player. He tend to bull right into the defender, causing him to lose the ball quite often.

THat’s his game, and it serves him well most nights.
The Knicks don’t have a bunch of guys that can create their own shots!!

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 9th, 2010
10:16 am

Mike Woodson studies film and strategies of Erik Spoelstra in hopes that he can half as good one day

GeeMack

March 9th, 2010
10:16 am

Big Ray

All teams want to be elite teams, but the reality is the Hawks don’t have elite players to fulfill that goal.

There are 2 things that hold true for teams that consistently win champioships 1) Champioship teams are good defensive teams 2) Championship teams have a dominate combo, or a dominate trio that leads the team.

Unfortunately the Hawks don’t have that. You are correct we should hold this franchise to standards they set, however you and I know this team don’t have the personnel to compete at that elite level.

Hawks73

March 9th, 2010
10:20 am

PITIFUL performance once again by our non-elite Atlanta Hawks. You can attribute 100% of this to lack of bench development. The reason the Hawks have defensive lapses is due to fatigue. The season is a marathon and when your coach refuses to take early lumps to play bench players, the starters will eventually fatigue as the season progresses…hence the inconsistency an uneven play.

Grandad

March 9th, 2010
10:22 am

Big Ray:

I must defend Mr. Sund. Everyone felt, last summer, that he had done a magnificent job with the re-signings. Honestly, he must feel somewhat betrayed @ the lack of playing time for Teague. He most likely felt as if a transition would occur between Bibby and Jeff. Bibby being the mentor and eventually handing over the reins. Perhaps in hindsight 3 yrs. is too much [Bibby's contract] but if Mb & JT were splitting duty more evenly, then Bibby would not appear as washed up so quickly.
As for defense, there is no set type of player;
[body type, color, hgt., length, etc.]
that determines effort. He did bring in Jamal and I believe he has
tried valiently to overcome the label with which he has been typecast.
I believe he has heart which translates into effort. We haven’t seen enough of young Mr. Teague to know just yet. Mr Sund should get credit [good or bad] for drafting him. I believe he would fit Wdsn’s def. scheme.
Finally, I’m with ‘Clyde’, zones kill us. Therefore, when we have a weak def. team on the floor, why not adjust and play a zone? Something?

wordy

March 9th, 2010
10:22 am

lots of standing around looking at a Knick get a defensive rebound last night too.

I think come playoffs they will get more energized, especially with a home series to start off.

Only thing I don’t like about Woody this year is his reliance on the 6 starters and minutes the bench is playing. Yeah Teague should be out there way more considering he has to be our future point. Or we can draft another one next year and bench him for a season.

Grandad

March 9th, 2010
10:27 am

Mac-Town:

Please don’t insult Coach Felton, he’s a friend of mine.

Rufus1

March 9th, 2010
10:31 am

Coach or The Players

Is it the coach or the players? Do we have 55 or 60 win talent…or 45-50 win talent?

I think it is the coach..this is Woodson’s 6th year and he still cannot make in game adjustments, has not developed a bench or a PG and still has no OFFENSE BLUE PRINT!!!! HOW CAN YOUR PLAYERS DEVELOP OFFENSIVELY, WHEN YOU HAVE NO OFFENSIVE IDENTITY!!!

PS. COACH……THE OFFENSE WILL NOT TAKE CARE OF ITSELF!!!

Venom

March 9th, 2010
10:33 am

Woody couldn’t even coach better than kiki vandeweghe

Section 303

March 9th, 2010
10:38 am

You would think, with the recent problems with zone, that the Hawks would have adjustments ready by now. But, no….same ol’, same ol’.

Just really frustrating to know that this team is really no different from last year. They are not getting past the 2nd round…I really do not think they will get past the 1st. Still immature. Still can’t hit big, open shots. Defense is so bad that I won’t even include it on the list. D is just always bad.

jg

March 9th, 2010
10:42 am

here we go again. this team continues to baffle me–throwing away way too many winnable games and it will cost us the third seed in the east. several things bothered me about the loss last night to the knicks. why is josh shooting jump shots in a close game with less than or a little over a minute to play in the game? i don’t care if he’s hit five in a row from 20 feet–if he takes another 20 footer with the game on the line–i would pull him out immediately and tell him right in his face he is not supposed to shoot that shot. no one holds him accountable for poor shot selection. someone needs to tell him that there is a reason you are open out there–”you are not an outside jump shooter.” stay on the block and continue to get better around the basket. as much as you’ve improved your inside game–your outside shot is ten times worse.

Secondly, someone teach these guys how to box out! I’m so tired of watching big possessions come down because of second and third shots being rebounded and scored.

And finally, I loved the Mike Bibby trade a few years ago. He definitely put this team over the hump for the past few years. I love his ability to be somewhat of a coach on the floor and leader. However his play over the past few months has been horrible! Where was he passing the ball in the fourth quarter on the ball he threw out of bounds at mid court? Every possession counts in games like these–you have to value the ball. We all know his shot has gone away and we all know that Woody doesn’t run but about 2 set plays so even though it’s hard for me to stay–it’s time to bring Bibby off the bench and make Teague the starting point guard.

Woodson is just too set in his ways to make any adjustments. Yes your record is pretty good and yes you are going to the playoffs for the third straight year but it’s time now to take some chances:

starters: teague, johnson, horford, joe smith, josh smith

teague may struggle at times but the other starters will make him better too. joe smith will be instead of marvin and he’ll provide that veteran leadership in a starter’s role.

bench: jamaal, bibby, marvin, mo evans, zsa zsa, mario and whatever else is over there.

this is the way to solve some of the doldrums we have offensively and a good way for woody to get bibby and marvin some minutes with some weaker opponents on the floor.

it’s worth a shot–we’re good now–but the goal has to be great or we’re never going to be better than a one playoff round winner.

Coach D

March 9th, 2010
10:46 am

That shot by Smith almost made me wake up my sleepig wife and kids! That crap was inexcusable. You gotta be kidding me!
Also, if the Hawks could give the kind of defensive effort they did the last few minutes of the game they would have won easily. Not every team is going to lie down to us like the Bulls did.
Finally, the players expressions after one of the 20 sec. time-outs called near the end of the game was priceless. It looked as if Horford said, “Alright, now it’s time to play… Ditch what Woodson just
b—-ed about.” IF the players don’t play defense, yank their a–!

Grandad

March 9th, 2010
10:47 am

jay dubu: ‘Thanks’ I just realized, they traded their players.
THESE ‘KNICKS’ ARE NOT EVEN THE SAME PLAYERS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.
Wdsn’s inferring we don’t match up well with them, inferring heck,
he’s quoted below.

*That’s three Knicks victories in four games against the Hawks. “We’re not matched up well for some reason,” Woody said.

Before anyone scolds me:
(’NATE ROBINSON’)

Melvin

March 9th, 2010
10:49 am

New York coach put the ball in his rookie PG (who had several DNPs prior to the Hawks game) hands to make a play to win the game. Although he turn the ball over but do you think that he may have learn something at that moment or what type of confidence that has instilled in him going forward. Some may think that’s foolish but I think that’s how you learn on the job instead of watching an incompetent guy play from the bench.

O'Brien

March 9th, 2010
10:50 am

AJ,

Slacking might be the wrong word for the Hawks, but they keep making the same mistakes over and over (some of which they made last year). I just want them to reduce those mistakes, and show some more consistency. Now could you please call Barbara back and send Beyonce instead?

Ray and chuckw/deadjournalist,

I saw the quotes from espn dailydime;

“If a certain someone, like maybe this certain guy in Cleveland, accepted a max offer from the Knicks and wanted Johnson as a sidekick, Johnson would be willing to sign for less than the maximum. “I’ll sacrifice,” Johnson said.

OK, Joe. Then what would be the best-case scenario? “My number one choice? I don’t really know,” Johnson said. “I do not know what LeBron’s going to do.”

Maybe JJ is just marketing himself though.

There was no way for Rick Sund to know that Bibby was going to decline so quickly, and that Marvin and ZaZa would go into a shell. But I still dont think Bibby was the right choice for a 3 year deal.

Ken Strickland

March 9th, 2010
10:55 am

CLYDE-Most teams run pick and roll with their center and PG in order to get their center matched up with Bibby and Horford matched up with their PG. How can you, or anyone for that matter, reasonably expect Horford to protect the basket when he’s above the key trying like hell to defend against the teams PG, who’s usually the teams quickest, fastest and most mobile player.

Hell, if Bibby isn’t fast, quick or athletic enough to keep them out of the lane, which is why Woody assigns JJ to guard them, how can you expect Horford to keep them out of the lane? I’ll give you all of the credit in the world when it comes to being the 1st to read Woodson and his coaching shortcoming, but you’re dead wrong about Horford.

MCUNNINGHAM-would you please ask Woodson why he’s refused to play Joe Smith a single second over the last 6-7quarters after registering 8PTs, 2RBs in 6:44mins, while not missing a single field goal or FT? And why, after a strong showing, he chose not to play Teague after the 1st quarter, but continued playing Bibby after seeing how ineffective he was and how the Knicks used our switching DEF to target him.

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO REPEAT THAT WOODSON WILL NOT ALLOW TEAGUE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW BIBBY UP. If you’ll notice, the worse Bibby’s production gets, the more Woody limits Teagues mins and opportunities. Bibby has started to make crucial unforced turnovers down the stretch that’s hurting the team. Why do you BIBBY LOVERS steadfastly continue claiming Teague isn’t ready to run a team and we’d lose gms if he started, yet you’re perfectly content to see us lose gms with Bibby starting and stinking it up?

Woody’s beloved starting PG has now fallen into 3rd place for the team lead in APG. Imagine how really bad off this team would be if JJ and Smoove and Horford weren’t such good passers, and we had to depend on Bibby to create easy scoring opportunities?

NORTHCYDE-you seem to be confusing the concept of expecting a team to PLAY CONSISTENTLY with the concept of expecting a team to PLAY PERFECTLY. Neither concept is synonymous with the other. On the other hand, you could make a case for saying the team is PLAYING CONSISTENTY, CONSISTENTLY BAD, especially during 4th quarters.

Section 303

March 9th, 2010
11:18 am

Coach D, what Smith shot are you talking about?

vava74

March 9th, 2010
11:21 am

I know that is a bid redundant:

I noticed right at the beginning of the game, mid way the first quarter (5/7 minute mark) that Bibby was already panting heavily.

It’s obvious that his conditioning is very poor right now and that he is not in position to offer more than short shifts, in particular in games with faster and movable PG.

Venom

March 9th, 2010
11:23 am

The hawks are consistent. consistently bad

Reggie

March 9th, 2010
11:27 am

I have a trade proposal: The Hawks should offer Marvin Williams, Jeff Teague, & Josh Childress to the New Jersey Nets for Devin Harris. Thoughts?

darrell starks

March 9th, 2010
11:31 am

My biggest thing i never see, is woody arguing with BIBBY, OR JOE, what kind of bull crap is that even the greatest basketball player ever mr. JORDAN GOT argued at by phill jackson, he allways show fav.2 certain players and thats horrible as a coach.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!

jean

March 9th, 2010
11:32 am

why is josh now a featured player in the end of games he a great talent but he is the dumbest player on the team every game he throws passes away in key situations

darrell starks

March 9th, 2010
11:38 am

Can some one tell me why do woody continue the same line up, why not starte teague over bibby o i forgot WOODY never devolop his bench, why not starte mo evans over marvin o i forgot marvin was the second pick overall, what a poor excuse for a head coach.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!

GeeMack

March 9th, 2010
11:39 am

At this point can starting Teague hurt us any more than Bibby’s decreased production?

I love Bibby when he is rolling, but I must admit he’s been less than far less than stellar this season. This is very shocking being that he’s the same age as Kobe and has played less minutes.

darrell starks

March 9th, 2010
11:45 am

I just check out bibby at the point guard position on where he would be rank around the league out of 30team bibby would be rank 26# at the point guard position.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

Wendell Thomas

March 9th, 2010
11:47 am

Northcyde…

You are actually Woody in disguise or a very close relative! Streaky does not equate to consistency! Fans of good teams don’t get rattled becuase they have a history of winning. What is our history? This team is not a very good team and Wooody is the core of the problems!

darrell starks

March 9th, 2010
11:50 am

THERE ONLY FOUR TEAM IN THE NBA THAT BIBBY MIGHT STARTE 4.
KNICKS, 76ERS, PISTONS, HEATS, no team in the west he would starte for.
WHAT A JOKE FOR TEAGUE NOT 2 BE PLAYING.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

Nacho

March 9th, 2010
11:50 am

The Hawks are mismanaged in every area of the NBA game.

I would love to know that Rick Sund read this blog even once. That would atleast be comforting to know.

Woody just does not have it. The players are completely worn out at the end of the 4th quarter.

The playoffs will be no different than last year when we were completely spent compared to Cleveland.

Terrible team management and coaching!

Nacho

March 9th, 2010
11:51 am

With Bibby’s terrible performance, you would think that Teague, Mo or Mario would have played more.

Terrible, Terrible coaching!

Samuel

March 9th, 2010
11:52 am

Clyde,

I’m still here but I really don’t care to post at this time. There’s nothing new to post.

If you check my post before the season I said all that needs to be said.
Cleveland would win the East. We would finish 4th, win the first round and unless we play Boston, lose in the second round. What else is new?

As for Woody, probably won’t win COY but if you fire him, who you gonna get? Give me some names?

Nacho

March 9th, 2010
11:54 am

I wish Woody’s next job is in New York, where a reporter would actually ask him obvious questions and he would be forced to give real answers instead of the “general” one liners that he spews over and over and over again.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 9th, 2010
11:58 am

“I need to check the Denver, Utah, Phoenix, and San Antonio boards, seeing that they have the exact same problems we do on the road. ”

I’m struggling to understand what the opinions of those teams’ fans have to do with our opinions. If they have low expectations for their teams (and I can assure you they don’t) I don’t see why that means we should accept lack of progress from ours. Y’all keep bringing up those teams as if that is the Hawks’ standard of comparison. To me, comparison is much more straightforward. I simply compare these Hawks to last year’s Hawks and expect improvement, both in the regular season and the playoffs. It’s great that the Hawks are on pace to beat last season’s record, but they are doing nothing to convince me they will win a 2nd-round playoff game this year.

“It’s all in how you want to frame the season sir. It’s funny how the AJC writers, and some of you fans, want to characterize our season from that 19 – 6 start we had . . with that 20 – 17 stat since . . . like the Hawks have been barely mediocre or something.”

I keep bringing up that particular number because in my eyes the Hawks’ quality of play as a whole distinctly dropped off after those first 25 games. That stat just happens to back up my gut feeling about the team. We all use this blog to point out on a game-by-game basis what the Hawks are doing right and wrong, and those observations much more accurately reflect this reality than just the won-loss record.

You say they are 15-10 in their last 25, whih is fine, but if you are satisfied with squeaking by lottery teams like Minnesota and Golden State (two wins included in that total) then it’s pretty clear that you and I have very different ways of judging the Hawks’ success or failure this season. Every opinion I offer about them relates to how it projects to their potential playoff performance. A last-minute win against Minnesota looks great in the win column, but it doesn’t say great things about their ability to go deeper in the playoffs than last year.

I’m not even necessarily expecting them to win in the 2nd round of the playoffs. I would be satisfied with taking Cleveland and Orlando to 7 games and losing. Over the last couple of months, though, they haven’t even played at a level that suggests they can compete with those teams. Sure, there are exceptions here and there like the game against the Bulls, but early in the season performances like that were the norm.

And more importantly, if the Hawks were playing as hard and as smart as they could and still struggling with these lottery teams, I wouldn’t be complaining. But we all know they are not, because they started the season playing clearly better.

I don’t think you are a “jock-sniffer” or anything for being satisfied with where the Hawks are. You have every right to be satisfied with a 50-win season and another sweep in the 2nd round. Just please don’t delude yourself and others into thinking that’s the best this team can do.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 9th, 2010
12:04 pm

If the Hawks had gone 3-1 against the Heat, 4-0 against the Knicks, and 2-0 against Golden State (all reasonable expectations for a team that wants to be elite), they would currently have the #2 seed in the East. I’d LOVE to see an intelligent argument for why having home-court advantage in the 2nd round doesn’t matter, considering the Hawks’ home-road splits this season.

Section 303

March 9th, 2010
12:05 pm

So, let’s say Woodson gets canned. Who do you guys want instead? I really think there are only a handful of really good NBA coaches. I do not want the Hawks to get one of the recycled stiffs that keep showing up.

darrell starks

March 9th, 2010
12:05 pm

STARTE TEAGUE, JAMAL, JOE, JOSH, HORFORD,
BENCH BIBBY, MOE, MARVIN, JOE SMITH, ZAZA.
RESERVE WEST, COLLINS.
STREET CLOTHES MORRIS
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

March 9th, 2010
12:07 pm

SECTION 303 AVERY JOHNSON WOULD TAKE THIS TEAM 2 THE NEXT LEVEL.
GO HAWKS!!!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

March 9th, 2010
12:15 pm

“If you say you’re going to earn $25,000 in bonuses, and you’re working your tail off, then I dont think anyone will fault you or hold it against you if you fall a little short. But if you’re slacking off, or making the same mistakes over and over that make it difficult to reach your goal, then thats a different story.”

Co-freaking-sign.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 9th, 2010
12:18 pm

“So, let’s say Woodson gets canned. Who do you guys want instead? I really think there are only a handful of really good NBA coaches.”

You’re right, and that’s why despite all of my Woody criticism I don’t call for his firing outright. In a perfect world he’d just hire an offensive coordinator and start learning from his mistakes.

Venom

March 9th, 2010
12:25 pm

Man Avery freaking Johnson. Did ya’ll forget he let an 8th seed take his team out. Man Pleazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzze. Mike Frattelo everybody.

Venom

March 9th, 2010
12:26 pm

Is anybody Listening to me. MIKE FREAKIN FRATELLO SHOULD COACH THIS TEAM AGAIN.

Clyde

March 9th, 2010
12:29 pm

Samuel you down so down. You were so energetic when the season started. I guess reality has set in hasn’t it. Woody at best is a assistant coach and the Hawks at best are the 3 best team in the east.

Its amazing how many slogans have come and gone (like Woody=COY), but only one has stood the test of time.

FIRE WOODY

Sleepy

March 9th, 2010
12:30 pm

Josh and Al got killed again . Thats basically what is happening here the focus has went away from the defensive end and towards the offensive end for both and it it showing.

Lee – 19 and 13
Gallanari – 27 pts 5 boards

both did it on over 60% shooting . Both Al and Josh played well offensively but cmon they are already undersized if they are not gonna meet the challenge defensively then we are gona be in trouble

O'Brien

March 9th, 2010
12:30 pm

Najeh,

I’m ok with keeping Woody too, but I would like for him to change up his staff.

I’d be okay with Hubie Brown or Mike Fratello being offensive consultants for the Hawks, even if its only in training camp. We need an offensive coordinator and a system that caters to our strengths, and I would also like to see a defensive coordinator on staff too, along with a new big man coach (I dont think much of Ty Hill as a big man coach).

It would be an added benefit if one of the coordinators also had head coaching experience in the NBA. Woody can stay on as the head coach and make all the final decisions, but he needs help. However, I think he is too stubborn to make those kind of moves.

darrell starks

March 9th, 2010
12:32 pm

CAN SOME 1 TELL ME WHY JOE SMITH NOT PLAYING IS HE HURT?
GO HAWKS!!!!!!

Venom

March 9th, 2010
12:33 pm

I don’t even want Woody to be a make decisions for an Atlanta Hawks Fan CLub. Get his azz outta here ASAP.

darrell starks

March 9th, 2010
12:37 pm

VERNON are you serious you really think woody is a better coach than avery?
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

Venom

March 9th, 2010
12:39 pm

Oh hell no I don’t think Woody is a better coach. Woody is one of the five worst coaches in the League in my mind. But I’m saying that Mike Frattelo would be a better fit.

sam'l

March 9th, 2010
12:44 pm

I would submit to the happy ones here that the Hawks are not a typical team and your statistics do not adequately explain what is going on. The Hawks should not have lost to GS or NY or even Dallas…or even that last game against Cleveland and fortunately there was a game against Phoenix that I can’t remember that well.. We should be at 48-14 or somewhere around there based on talent and endings projected aganist third quarter performance gradient (chew on that statistic).
.. . . .
All of what yawl are saying is true…minutes, Bibby and Williams, lack of big, no consistency, isojo, Josh jumpers, Woodson mundanity, zone, lack of trade, bench. (I myself wonder about why we had back to backs against Boston and Orlando twice in a couple of weeks?). So all of what you say is true.

But please don’t tell us what the NBA is all about and that it all balances out in the end. First off, you’re wrong. Second, you’re obscuring any possible answers. Third, it’s later than you think.

Sund’s safest move is also the most damaging. He thinks, well, we’ll give Woodson his rope and once he hangs himself this year, we just won’t renew his contract, so even if he doesn’t motivate the team every game or develop players or use a sane rotation or come up wih offense to beat the zone or to be unpredictable or even better to play defense for more than a few stretches, Sund’s safest move is wait and be politically correct to fire the coach who has a +.650 win/loss percentage. But in reality, he has to act NOW, ;because the only way the team will move forward is to hire a coherent, strong, dynamic coach who can unify the individual talent. And (read between the lines) Joe is gonna go.

Then, you can enjoy next year’s edition of the Hawks when the Knicks beat them in the first round. (or some equally unsatisfying scenario) and claim it’s okay, that’s the NBA, it all balances out…

The Hawks DID have numbers toward the end last night……they also had open jump shots….numerous chances to put the game away….and another mystery breakiout performance by the opposition. …. .

.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 9th, 2010
12:53 pm

“LOL . . you guys want this Knick loss to be the start of something terrible, and it simply isn’t going to happen.”

One loss to the Knicks is just one loss. Three nearly identical losses to the Knicks is symptomatic of a bigger problem — that this team has a hard time adjusting to compensate for weaknesses even between games, let alone within them. Not a good sign for their chanves of improving on last season’s playoff performance. You know, if you care about that sort of thing.

O'Brien

March 9th, 2010
1:05 pm

Melvin,

I agree that Teague needs to learn on the job (but not at the end of games). It makes you wonder what is Woody thinking, because Teague played 6 minutes in the first half, and I thought he played well enough to get some PT in the second. And its not like Bibby was lighting it up (offensively or defensively). But still, no Teague.

Minutes played by Josh last 3 games; 45, 43 (back to back games), and 40. Dude needs a break. Where is Joe Smith?

Ken,

I think Bibby’s contract was based on the fact that we struggled mightily before he came here, and without him, there is no way the Hawks make the playoffs (in my opinion). As a result, his contract was his reward for what he had done for us.

But I dont think Sund paid enough attention to what Bibby would do going forward. Although I preferred Jack and Sessions to Bibby, I was okay with the Bibby signing. But I hated the fact that we gave him a 3rd year.

All we can do is hope he finds the fountain of youth that Jason Kidd and Steve Nash are drinking from, because we will need the old Bibby (no pun intended) in the playoffs.

Venom

March 9th, 2010
1:07 pm

If Bibby lost 10-15 pounds then he would probably be better. He is just so outta shape now.

Astro Joe

March 9th, 2010
1:09 pm

When the Hawks have played well and won 4 of 5, skeptical fans have stated “let’s see what happens in the playoffs”. When we lose to the Knicks, Warriors and other lottery-bound teams, it suddenly appears that the regular season does matter. When Joe plays 40 minutes and misses the last shot, we read “Joe isn’t clutch”. When Josh plays 40 minutes and misses the last shot, we read “Woody exhausted his legs”. When the offense runs through the guards in the last 2-3 minutes of a tight game, we read “same old Hawks, why not give the ball to the bigs”. When the bigs take most of the shots at the end of the game (like last night), we read “swicthing defense exhausts the big men”. Has anyone noticed that there is virtually no winning situation that exists on this board? Even winning is met with concerns about minute or shot distribution? Or winnning against a hurt or lottery-bound team is viewed as a “flawed” win?

sam'l

March 9th, 2010
1:16 pm

I’m leaving the blog permanently for peronal reasons. Have a good time.

GO HAWKS!

Sam from the Swats

March 9th, 2010
1:23 pm

Marvin Williams 8 points 7 rebounds, Gallinari 27 points, 5 rebounds. Enough said…

Samuel

March 9th, 2010
1:30 pm

Clyde,

I’m not down, just a realist. I the season is playing out just like I thought it would. Again, Fire Woody and hire who?

On COY. Actually Woody still has a good chance of winning the award. Let’s say we finish with 50 wins and finish 3rd in the East and the rest of the league stays the way it is now.
Mike Brown, Woody, Brooks and Sloan would be your leading candidates no?

Melvin

March 9th, 2010
1:36 pm

Samuel,

Comeon. Stop acting like Woody is the only person that can coach this team. Just like players, coaches can be replace as well…

Melvin

March 9th, 2010
1:38 pm

OB,

If we can lose with Bibby or any player in the game, why not Teague? Look at it from this direction, what is he learning on the bench?

O'Brien

March 9th, 2010
2:02 pm

Samuel,

I think Nate McMillan and Rick Adelman are on the list too (look what they have done with injuries to their teams).

AJ,

All that matters is the playoffs, but the way the Hawks have performed against Cleveland and Orlando does not give much confidence.

In 2 games against the Cavs, we scored 10 points and 16 points in the fourth quarter of both games, and this was before they added Jamison.

Against the Magic, we scored 11 points in the fourth quarter in one of the games, and were not close in the fourth of the other Magic games.

There is still 19 games left, so the Hawks still have time to turn it around (along with Bibby, Marvin and ZaZa). But I feel like I’ve been saying that for weeks.

Melvin,

True. Plus I also think the more PT Teague gets is the better he will be. The more PT Bibby gets is the worse he gets. And Teague is the future, while Bibby is the past (with the way he’s playing, he’s not even the present).

Melvin

March 9th, 2010
2:23 pm

OB,
Amen… I know it hard for some folks to imagine playing Teague extend mins but had he been getting consistent mins thru out the season then I think the idea would sound reasonable at this point. I recall D.Rose not starting at the beginning of last season but eventfully became the starter and the Bulls made the playoffs. And I dont care that he was a number one pick either. Collinson for the Hornets is doing a good job and his team is in playoffs contention. Hmmm, would the Hornets be tempted enough to trade CP3 (for good value in return) and hand the team over to Collinson. Heck, Shaq was traded so anything is possible.

I think the Hawks need a playmaker at the PG position not a guy who’s going to dribble up the court and just had the ball off to Joe or Jamal.

northcyde

March 9th, 2010
2:32 pm

Astro . . you see that too huh? Pretty obvious what goes on here.

Unless we win impressively, there’s always an excuse to downgrade the team. If we barely squeak by a team we should destroy in the fans eyes, then there’s something dramatically wrong with the Hawks.

If we lose, all heck breaks loose.

It’s obvious what goes on here.

Some fans call that “expecting more”. But in reality, it’s nothing more than constantly whining and crying about something. Every “good” team in this league has gone through bouts where they didn’t look as good as they should, but still managed to win games overall.

This is the NBA. Some teams will lay down and die for you, but most won’t. We sure in the heck didn’t when we were a 30 win team.

Here’s what I want to know though. All you posters in Atlanta, will the recent “horrible” play of the Hawks affect you from going to the games? You season ticket holders will be there surely . . I hope. But what about the rest of you fans that show up every now and then?

Will the recent “horrible” play of the Hawks, prevent you from paying to see this team play Saturday night vs Detroit?

AtWork

March 9th, 2010
2:37 pm

Does anybody else feel like i do that Jeff Teague is getting antzy for more minutes. He is playing well but then woody pulls him out and sits him. It looks like there might be a riff between Jamal and Jeff. They don’t interact on the court. Jeff can be wide open and jamal will take an akward ill advised shot.

Seems like Jeff wishes he was in jamal’s spot. I think we need to be giving Jeff some more minutes against competition and not scrubs. Hope he isn’t the next bust by woody.

northcyde

March 9th, 2010
2:37 pm

Wins only count for the Hawks in some fans eyes if:

1) We beat a HEALTHY good team

2) We blow out a bad team

By the way, here is the game flow of last night’s game.

http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20100308&game=ATLNYK

People want the bench to play more minutes. But if they’re unproductive, do you still leave them out there?

northcyde

March 9th, 2010
2:43 pm

The baffling thing about the Bibby situation to me, is that Bibby isn’t really looking for his shot. If Mr Cunningham talks to anybody this week, that’s who I want him to talk to. Talk to Bibby, and see why he isn’t aggressive offensively?

Even if I think Teague isn’t ready to run the team in place of Bibby, Dime may give Woody no choice but to make a switch. Either that, or start Jamal and increase the time for Evans.

LOL . . Sund may go out and bring in Mike James in a week or two.

northcyde

March 9th, 2010
3:03 pm

@ Najeh

Of course the Hawks quality of play dropped off from those first 25 games. They were playing like NBA Finalists. They simply started playing like we all thought they would play, as the season wore on.

Instead of playing at a .750 winning percentage level, they started playing at a .600 winning percentage level. Still a very good team, just not super elite.

Scoop

March 9th, 2010
3:15 pm

Ill say it again, the reason for the inconsistent effort on defense is the lack of lateral quickness on the perimeter defensively for the Hawks. Bibby is too slow and Crawford gives good effort but lacks lateral quickness as well, so Joe is forced to guard the PG most nights and either we switch Al onto the PG on a p&r or Joe tries to fight through it but the PG is able to penetrate into the lane.

What I saw against the Knicks was them taking advantage of our horrible defensive switching. They attacked Bibby and Jamal with Gallinari and their offensive man on p&r and expected us to switch it which we did for some reason. This left a 6-0 Bibby on a 6-10Galinari which resulted in either Gal shooting over Bibby or a forced double team and a scramble to cover the open three point shooter. THIS IS WHY THEY SHOT THE 3 SO WELL.

It wasnt just random bad luck that “happens in the NBA grind”. We got out schemed as usual. We need defensive quickness on the perimeter. Mo should start over Marvin and use his quickness and athleticism to guard the opponents quickest guard. Or start Teague over Bibby, who has really become a liability on both sides of the floor.
Lastly, Northcyde, dude, we fuss and complain bc we care about how this team does. If we fellow posters werent as emotional and passionate about our team then we wouldnt post in the first place. I think your being too sensitive when it comes to the constructive criticism of our team.

Samuel

March 9th, 2010
4:10 pm

Rick Adelman,

His team will be lucky to finish above 500 and won’t sniff the playoffs. No chance, injuries are no excuse in the NBA. Sorry.

McMillian is not in the hunt either. Even with the injury to Oden, this team has underachieved.

O'Brien

March 9th, 2010
4:30 pm

northcyde,

Regardless of the Hawks record (or seed), I just want to see them win their first round matchup, and play a second round series competitively (winning at least 2 games in the second round).

Samuel,

Injuries are not an excuse, but I think voters would take into account who did more with less. I wouldnt be surprised if Scott Skiles in Milwaukee gets a couple votes (they are 6 games behind us in the loss column)?

As far as COY goes though, somebody mentioned that 7 out of the last 10 COY were fired from their jobs within 3 years after winning the award (or something like that).

GeeMack

March 9th, 2010
4:31 pm

darrell starks

Woody is a better coach than Avery Johnson. Don’t forget Dallas started tuning him out after 2 seasons. He given a great team when he took over and they got worst every year. Rememver he was at the helm when they lost to an 8th seed, and Dallas had more talent.

Ken Strickland

March 9th, 2010
4:32 pm

It’s amazing how Avery Johnson, and his overall stellar coaching career, can be reduced to a single playoff upset. Yet, Mike Woodson is held in such high esteem by some dilusional fans, despite having only ONE(1) full winning season, making the playoffs ONCE with a winning season, and winning ONE(1) playoff series in his 6yr career. Plus, he has his current team underachieving to the point where they’re getting worse as the season progresses, instead of better.

As far as JJ is concerned, he would be a good fit with the Knicks and their undisciplined style of OFF. While he’s a very talented and versatile player, he’s proven to be one of the NBA’s most undisciplined players, as evidenced by the way he routinely restricts ball movement, teammate involvement and the overall OFF, to go ISO Joe.

If we got rid of Woodson and hired a HC who actually gives a damn about the OFF enough to install one and not afraid to develop and play young players, started Teague and brought in a young SG like Tyreke Evans, we’d be a much better team, both offensively and defensively. MAKE IT HAPPEN SUND.

Sautee

March 9th, 2010
5:00 pm

Posts only count in SOME bloggers eyes if:

1). They are overwhelmingly positive

2). They laud the coach and the players even in a loss.

3). They ignore ANYTHING possibly wrong with the team, the scheme, the rotations, the effort, etc. in the name of “reality”.

I’ll keep my pitiful illusions, thank you. I need them for my OWN sense of “reality”.

Ken Strickland

March 9th, 2010
5:23 pm

GEEMACK-Avery Johnson holds several NBA coaching records. So that you can promote your agenda, you’ve narrowly and deliberately focused on one event in his stellar coaching career, his team losing a playoff series to an 8th seed, and claiming his team tuned him out. Well, were they tuning him out when he won 60 gms, COY honors his 1st yr and took them to their only trip to the NBA finals?

Were they tuning him out when he followed that yr up with an NBA leading 67 wins the following yr? His worst yr was his last yr when his team won 51 gms. He holds the NBA coaching record for the fastest to reach 60 wins and 100 wins. Yes, he took over a much more talented team than Woodson took over, but this yrs Hawks aren’t the same as the ones Woodson took over, and unfortunately only Woodson and his stupid coaching habits remain the same.

AJohnson has proven he can coach, motivate, develop and utilize talent, and that’s exactly what this team needs.

northcyde

March 9th, 2010
5:24 pm

O’Brien . . . you have no reason not to expect that from the Hawks. That the least they should be able to do. I haven’t seen anything from the Hawks that would lead me to believe otherwise.

I believe you’re the one that said that the Hawks play up to their opponent. Interesting you say that. The same is said about Denver. Both teams seem to be almost bored ( or don’t take the lesser opponents seriously ) for some reason. But once a big boy comes to town, or they have to play a good team, you see their level of play rise dramatically.

I think the one adjustment Woody may make, is to have Marvin be the guy that closes out games from here on out, instead of Bibby. That would be the easiest adjustment to make. Of course, that means more ISO-Joe and ISO-Crawford.

I think he’ll ride with Bibby as a starter, as long as we don’t endure a distinct losing stretch. As long as we keep winning 6 or 7 out of every 10 games ( regardless of who we play ), Bibby will be the starter. If push comes to shove though, I think he still may go with starting Crawford, before he tosses Teague into the fire.

northcyde

March 9th, 2010
5:55 pm

@ Scoop

Constructive criticism is OK. But you see the boards. There’s nothing constructive about 75% of the commets on this board. The comments are simply based on HATE.

I, for one, am not going to let people trash this team like we’re garbage. If they feel we’re that bad of a team, then why do they continue to watch?

Big Ray

March 9th, 2010
6:10 pm

I, for one, am not going to let people trash this team like we’re garbage. If they feel we’re that bad of a team, then why do they continue to watch?

Can’t wait to see you stop people from bringing their opinions. Zzzzzzzzzzz…..

Big Ray

March 9th, 2010
6:13 pm

Sautee ,

Same dance, same song. Probably same DJ. Yep…..I guess it’s true what they say about a broken clock.

Meanwhile, I’m wondering what Sund will do if JJ decides to leave? It seems that each new summer becomes the most important one. But that’s what happens when a team is on the rise. Have we peaked? The season’s not over yet, but let’s be honest. We find ourselves in a “ground zero” moment as the “one it all started with” makes his decision to stay or go.

Hey, he left a team that was contending for the NBA Title. I wonder if there is some solitary fan over there on their blogs, who blamed the fan base for “running him off?”

bjb

March 9th, 2010
6:18 pm

j crawford must take open jump shots ,not pass the ball when game on the line. we traded for instant offense not a assist man

KevinA

March 9th, 2010
6:20 pm

During win streaks we are not as good as we say we are. During losing streaks we are noit as bad as we say we are. The trade dead line is over so the roster is set. There is no reason to beat a dead horse. I still like the way the team is trending on offense and on defense decling minutes by Bibby is a welcome sign.

We are not perfect by any means but Al is starting to get the ball which has increased our balance. The ball movement ebbs and flows. Sometimes we do a good job and then it just seems to dissapear. When we have a cold spell during a game it seems only attacking the basket get’s us out of the funct. It may become my battle cry. Guards, wing or post players – attack the basket.

We just need a collective effort to go to the rim.

KevinA

March 9th, 2010
6:26 pm

Big Ray,

We need to sign JJ and Chills. What we do after that is up to speculation. We cannot afford to give up talent for nothing. The way Collins is playing we may have a shot at him or CP3 come summer. Of course there millions of options but I hope thay all start without losing talent for nothing.

Big Ray

March 9th, 2010
6:28 pm

KevinA ,

I hope for the same things you do, but it’s not our choice. What’s important is what is done if those things don’t happen…

O'Brien

March 9th, 2010
6:42 pm

northcyde,

“Thats the least they should be able to do. I haven’t seen anything from the Hawks that would lead me to believe otherwise.”

Refer to my earlier post.

“All that matters is the playoffs, but the way the Hawks have performed against Cleveland and Orlando does not give much confidence.

In 2 games against the Cavs, we scored 10 points and 16 points in the fourth quarter of both games, and this was before they added Jamison.

Against the Magic, we scored 11 points in the fourth quarter in one of the games, and were not close in the fourth of the other Magic games.”

So what have you seen from the Hawks this year that suggests they will be competitive and win a couple games in the second round (assuming they dont play Boston)?

KevinA,

Regardless of what happens with JJ, Sund and Chills needs to resolve the contract situation. Either resign him, or trade him, because he is an unrealized asset right now.

I dont N.O. trading CP3, because he is their only star, and he is entrenched in the community. They might trade Collison though (especially if they can get rid of Peja or another one of their bad contracts).

If NJ gets the #1 pick, they might be willing to trade Devin Harris so that John Wall can be their starter.

Samuel

March 9th, 2010
7:59 pm

OK Ken,

Why isn’t Avery coaching? I know you have the explanation. Let’s here it.

O'Brien

March 9th, 2010
8:04 pm

Samuel,

My guess as to why Avery is not coaching is because he still gets paid $4 mil by the Mavericks, and he’s making money from ESPN. So if another team wants to hire him, they have to pay him the big money.

If you can make the kind of money he is making not coaching, wouldnt your price tag be higher, and wouldnt you be more selective as to the job you take, since you’re getting paid anyway?

Sautee

March 9th, 2010
8:08 pm

LOL at Big Ray!

Samuel

March 9th, 2010
8:13 pm

Guess that eliminates the Hawks then. I guess he’s waiting on the Laker job!!

JeJe

March 9th, 2010
8:27 pm

Joe Johnson said winning is all about sacrifice. So WHY is he the one hogging the ball and messing up our offense in the 4th EVERY GAME?

Why can Woodson NOT beat the Knicks? LOL he cannot adjust to a horrendous team THAT STARTED SERGIO RODRIGUEZ AND BILL WALKER IN THE BACKCOURT

LOL

We will play Cleveland in round 2 — the same team that assaulted us in 4 games last year, PLUS Jamison, Shaq, Anthony Parker, and Moon. LOLOLOL

northcyde

March 9th, 2010
9:07 pm

Dang . . . I typed another epic novel responding to the question of “what do I think would be different if we played Orlando and Cleveland in the playoffs”, but it didn’t post. That’s what I get for trying to post “novels” from my phone. I’ll type some of it up when I get home later tonight.

@ Big Ray

I’m not trying to suppress anyone’s opinions,. But you better believe that I’ll challenge opinions that act like we’re a sinking ship around here. I’m just doing my part to combat the hate and hysteria on this blog with facts, not emotional tangents.

JeJe

March 9th, 2010
9:37 pm

Josh’s two baskets late in the 4th where he was in the post and scored really made me smile. He needs to DO THIS EVERY Game, to DEMAND the ball, and NOT let Joe settle for those horrendous jumpshots.

LOL again @ Joe saying winning is about sacrificing when he’s the most selfish POS on the team

Ken Strickland

March 9th, 2010
9:52 pm

SAMUEL-The question you should be asking is WHY IS MIKE WOODSON STILL COACHING? GEEMACK chose to single out one incident to try and belittle Avery Johnson’s accomplishments and overall coaching ability, and now you’re trying to use the fact he’s not currently coaching as a way of impling the same thing. Come on, surely you’re not that stupid. Hell, why is Don Nelson still coaching, or why is Mike Fratello not coaching?

It’s funny how you WOODY LOVERS pretend he’s such a great HC and deserves COY when HC’s like DRivers, who’s has managed to overcome a series on injuries, while maintaining a lead over us despite losing the seasons series. Absolutely no HC has had to deal with more injuries than NMcMillan’s team, yet he’s still managed to keep them in the playoff hunt.

How can you WOODY LOVERS be stupid enough to overlook the job Thunder HC Scott Brooks has done in his 1st full yr as HC after taking over as interim coach. In a very short time he’s done an excellent job of coaching, developing, utilizing and winning with such a young team, and whipping our butts, twice, and outcoaching Woodson. After the 1st 27gms of the season his record was 13-14, while Woodson record was 20-7. The current record for both teams is Thunder 38-24 and Hawks 40-23.

That means the Thunder has gone 25-10 over their last 35gms and the Hawks have gone 20-16 over their last 36gms. And you WOODY LOVERS really dumb enough to think Woodson has done a better job of coaching his team than SBrooks has done coaching his, and deserves COY honors more than he does?

REMEMBER WOODY LOVERS, THE FOREST FOR THE TREES, THE FOREST FOR THE TREE.

O'Brien

March 9th, 2010
10:10 pm

Mike Dunleavy out as Clippers GM. They took away his coaching duties a month ago, and they’re firing him as GM now.

I’m surprised they didnt wait until the end of the season.

O'Brien

March 9th, 2010
10:49 pm

Samuel,

I think this is the last year that Avery will get paid from the Mavericks, so I wont be surprised to see him jump back into coaching next season.

Byron Scott might still be getting paid from the Hornets, so we’ll see what he does.

I am concerned about Avery’s 2 consecutive first round exits though, and also blowing a 2-0 lead in the NBA finals.

I guess every HC has their warts

Just Saying

March 10th, 2010
1:21 am

Without laughing, how many of you REALLY think the Hawks have a shot in the playoffs?

FIRE WOODSON BEFORE 2011 SEASON!!!!!!

JustChillFans

March 10th, 2010
11:52 am

I wish u stupid people would stop saying start teague over bibby. Teague clearly doesnt know how to play woody’s defense.(if there is one) He loses his man alot which leads to easy buckets. He is a fast-paced changer so i wouldnt start him. Just be serious fans, you actually would want teague in at the end of the game instead of bibby. You know joe is going to have the ball, so that means you want teague to spot up for a kick out three? Never in a million years. Teague is a great player but just doesnt fit with the first team. He can run the second team though, i just think he’s scared to give it his all. He seems scared on the court all the time. The problem is woody goes with the starters over anybody regardless if that person is going “ham”.(dropping buckets lol). For example joe s, goes “ham” then doesnt see the court the rest of that game, hell that game and the next few lol.

JeJe

March 10th, 2010
12:49 pm

Has anyone thought that maybe our core has been together too long? Someone said this last year–we’ve had the exact same starting lineup for 2 years. No other team or ELITE team had the same starting lineup last year.

i.e. can we please get rid of Marvin and Bibby (give them away to the Salvation Army and let someone else play with them) and get some new starters? Also, if ticket sales SUCK, then how will our “owners” have money to spend next year like Orlando did after a successful year 2 years ago?

Would be nice for Michael Cunningham to reply to my posts for once…

Hawks Fan (?)

March 10th, 2010
1:19 pm

WHAT ABOUT MARIO WEST…why do you think woody doesnt play him…and why does he take the bench players out after they make a good play and shift the games momentum in the hawks favor?!?!

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