Hawks Squawks: Knicks 99, Hawks 98

Smoove gets stuffed. (AP Photo)

Smoove gets stuffed. (AP Photo)

– Dramatic ending but it didn’t have to be that way. The Hawks lost by a point on a night when they really only played defense for parts of two quarters. Now they are 1-3 against the Knicks, a game behind Boston for No. 3 in the East and 3.5 games behind the Magic in the Southeast.

Josh made a nice strip of Toney Douglas on New York’s final possession and Jamal corralled it. “I didn’t call a timeout because I thought we had numbers,” Woody said.

– Jamal did a good job pushing it into the lane and made a nice pass to Smoove. Wilson Chandler got up and blocked it at the rim. Al’s follow was too late. “Jamal made a great play,” Woody told reporters. “Smoove normally finishes that. He would normally would put that away. But Chandler made a great play.”

– It’s not always easy to explain with numbers (though in this case New York’s 50.6 percent shooting does it pretty well) but the Hawks just look like a much different team when they are getting after it on defense. “Our defense finally picked up late in the fourth quarter and got us back in the game,” Woody said.

– You could see the contrast during certain possessions. The Knicks opened the period with a Douglas layup when Jamal was inattentive on the weakside. Later Eddie House buried a jumper when Smoove was late to rotate and made a halfhearted attempt to challenge. Chandler made a 3 when Gallinari got into the lane and pitched out and Bibby was late to close.

– But during the comeback the Hawks showed how they can take over with defense when they decide to do it. Chandler missed a 3 under pressure leading to a Smoove fastbreak and two free throws. Jamal recovered to challenge Gallinari’s 3, leading to a Horford steal and J.J.’s free throw that got the Hawks within 97-96.

– A possession at the end of the first quarter might have been best of all for the Hawks. Mo hounded Gallinari, then switched to David Lee on a screen and denied the pass as Horford showed hard and forced Gallinari to give it to Chandler. J.J. harassed Chandler, Smoove helped out and Chandler shot an airball.

– Impressive to see the Hawks working hard and helping, but the problem is that kind of spirited effort only lasts for a few possessions at a time. What happened to the squad that digs in and wins with D even if nothing else is going right?

– And where is the focus? Bibby threw a pass to no one with the Hawks down 92-85. And it’s hard to find much fault with Josh considering the way he’s playing, but that long jumper with the Hawks down 97-96 and six seconds still on the shot clock was damaging. That came after he was dominating the Knicks on the block.

– Lee got his fifth foul early in the fourth. The Hawks never really went at him aggressively and instead jacked jumpers. “I thought our shots coming down the stretch were awful,” Woody said. “We could have gone inside. We were in the penalty early in the fourth quarter and didn’t take advantage of that.”

– The Knicks set an NBA record with 18 3-point attempts without a make while losing to the sorry Nets on Saturday. Then the Hawks show up, open 3s are plentiful and the Knicks make 10 of 15.

– Somehow, the Hawks kept losing Gallinari at the 3-point line. The guy had made 141 3s in 61 games. “We talked about it before the game, the guy can shoot the basketball,” assistant coach Larry Drew told sideline reporter James Verrett during the game.

– Bibby was a non-factor with 1 point, 0-for-4 shooting, one assist and a turnover. Jamal was just 5 of 16 while missing lots of runners trying to draw fouls.

– That’s three Knicks victories in four games against the Hawks. “We’re not matched up well for some reason,” Woody said. “We played well enough to win tonight. But we were our own worst enemies coming down the stretch.”

Joe Smith hasn’t played since suffering a bloody nose in the first half at Miami. The Hawks say he’s OK so apparently Woody’s just not using him after he was good against the Heat.

–Iso-Joe: missed stepback jumper (led to a Lee dunk) and a tough runner made over Al Harrington.

– I’m out, Hawks fans.

MC

204 comments Add your comment

Najeh Davenpoop

March 8th, 2010
11:26 pm

The Hawks are 20-17 in their last 37 games, for a .540 winning percentage.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 8th, 2010
11:31 pm

“I didn’t call a timeout because I thought we had numbers,” Woody said.

Woody shouldn’t have called a timeout. Can anyone think of a single occasion when the Hawks drew up a play out of a Woody timeout that resulted in a dunk opportunity?

I can’t.

Jamal made a great pass and Josh got a golden opportunity to win the game at the rim. He just missed. There was nothing wrong with the play, only with Josh’s execution.

Wabe

March 8th, 2010
11:33 pm

Co-sign everything vava said on that last blog about the switching. It’s amazing how many guys have lit up the Hawks perimeter defense.

Sarcasm

March 8th, 2010
11:38 pm

Good thing we won’t have to play any tough teams like the Knicks in the playoffs.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 8th, 2010
11:40 pm

I don’t know to what extent this loss was Woody’s fault, since I didn’t watch until the last minute. But that said, I’ll repeat something I said on the last blog for the Woody lovers out there. There is precedent for 50-game-winning coaches being fired. Rick Carlisle went back to back seasons with 50-32 records for the Pistons and got fired. His replacement, Larry Brown, won a title.

One of my main arguments for keeping Woody is that despite his faults, the Hawks are still a winning team, and coaches of Larry Brown’s caliber are not sitting around waiting for the Hawks to call them. But please don’t tell me the guy doesn’t deserve criticism because of the Hawks’ record, unless you believe this team has no room for improving their schemes or approaches to games. And clearly, if they can’t beat a team that just lost to one of the all-time worst teams in the history of the league, a team made up of spare parts and expiring contracts, a team whose best offensive player on the floor is as one-dimensional as they come, a team whose most talented player sat out because he felt old, there is a LOT of room for improvement.

Rock Preston

March 8th, 2010
11:53 pm

Helter skelter offensive schemes will doom this team. Again our “star” disappeared down the stretch and Josh tried to take the shot that our “star” clearly doesnt have the onions to try and take most of the time. Hawks fans..Joe is not a superstar…not even close!!! He gets missing at crunch time too much….also Woody’s explanations are just getting comical now. He is in over his head…Pardon the pun. We have all the makings of a 1st round exit to an upstart team. Head coach with no offensive philosophy and an uncanny inability to motivate defensively at the crunch = 1st round exit.

David Smith

March 8th, 2010
11:55 pm

Our guys don’t have the luxury of blaming tonight’s loss on fatigue. This loss and the one in Miami concern me because of our lack of focus during crunch time. We are struggling against teams that we should be blowing out and that is unacceptable in this stage of the season. These last few games are making me wonder if we really are serious about going deep in the Playoffs this year.

sam'l

March 8th, 2010
11:59 pm

I think tonight’s game speaks for itself.

What I find interesting are our moderator’s comments. MC seems to share our long-time concern that there are some things that don’t seem to make sense about the way the Hawks play. I think it took some courage for a reporter that needs to stay on good terms with the troops to come out and claim they just didn’t play defense. This is a breakthrough,

I was listening on the radio….”Hawks win. Hawks win. Hawks win.” and the sidekick (Lang?), “Uh Steve hate to burst your bubble, but the shot won’t count” not an exact quote but close…..

I think I’ll take the “Boston” fan approach. ” See that game tonight….what a pissah!”.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 8th, 2010
11:59 pm

One more thing: I don’t know how many “little things” Bibby did today that he did when he was a good player, like setting screens, making the extra pass, etc. that don’t show up in the stat sheet. But when I look at the stats, two huge numbers jump out at me: 1 point for Bibby, 5 minutes for Teague.

Looking at the stat sheet, I am willing to cut Marvin some slack for tonight’s game. I didn’t see the game, and he’s been playing better recently and there’s a chance that he played good defense, boxed out, and did other “little things” in this game. The rest of you who watched the game will have to support or refute that. But I don’t think even the most anti-Teague people can claim at this point that Teague’s mistakes hurt the Hawks more than Bibby’s ineffectiveness.

In the year 2010, with the exception of the Golden State game the other day when he inexplicably went off, Bibby is shooting 38% from the field and 31% from 3. Teague in that time span, in much more limited and sporadic playing time, playing with much worse teammates on the floor, is shooting 36% from the field and 1/5 from 3. In light of Bibby’s ongoing struggles on the defensive end as well, can you really tell me, with a straight face, that the Hawks are better off playing him and keeping Teague on the bench?

Geemack

March 9th, 2010
12:01 am

Najeh Davenpoop

The Hawks can improve in every area, but this “aint no” championship team regardless of who’s coaching.

The biggest problem with Hawks is effort. If they played with the same intensity in the 1st 3 quarters as they did in the last 5 minutes of the 4th this game’s not even close.

mgm

March 9th, 2010
12:05 am

I think the team is wearing down. Early in the year the team played harder all night long. Also, the coach used more of the bench. Now, the coach has fallen back into the 6 man rotation and playing the starters plus Jamal the entire 4th quarter. The team at this stage of the season has not developed a second unit. Has no ability to score at the end unless Joe is hitting difficult jumpers. And lacks the energy that was an early season trademark and kept them in games against the best. I think it is a first round exit. I think the coach should be fired now. I think the team should let Joe go and make a full court press for D wade. A bonofide go to guy in crunch time who can fit into this team.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 9th, 2010
12:09 am

“The Hawks can improve in every area, but this “aint no” championship team regardless of who’s coaching.”

I’m not expecting them to be a championship team. I am expecting them to make progress over last year’s team. Last year’s team got swept in the 2nd round of the playoffs as a 4 seed. Will this team even make the 2nd round of the playoffs?

Rick Sund

March 9th, 2010
12:15 am

Despite the loss, we showed a great deal of UPSIDE. Remember you ungrateful fans we are still LEARNING HOW TO WIN.

KakNiqueTree

March 9th, 2010
12:16 am

0-3 vs. the Knicks hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Grandad

March 9th, 2010
12:17 am

From previous blog:

There’s nothing left to be said concerning the Hawks.
However, I’m with ‘Section 303′, it’s time for “March Madness” anyway.
Good luck in the tourney ‘Hawkz4life’!
You’ve got an ex-teammate up in the great northwest don’t you?

Rick Sund

March 9th, 2010
12:18 am

No, we are 1-3 against the Knicks and that’s definitely POTENTIAL.

Rick Sund

March 9th, 2010
12:24 am

Josh’s jumper is coming along quite well. I would have to say that Joe is truly showing that he deserves a MAX CONTRACT. I think that many of you fans EXPECT too much. When we get to the 50 win mark, we will then become an ELITE team.

JeJe

March 9th, 2010
12:26 am

BIBBY IS WORST DEFENDER IN NBA

I AM NOT EXAGGERATING

WORST DEFENDER IN THE NBA. EVERYONE KNOWS IT. THE MAGIC ANNOUCNERS KNOW IT, DIMESMACK KNOWS IT, WE KNOW IT. HE IS ABSOLUTE GARBAGE. HE IS OVERWEIGHT, OLD, DOES NOTHING ON OFFENSE BESIDES SHOOT AWKWARD CONTESTED SHOTS. HE COMMITS RETARDED DOUBLE TEAMS, LEAVING DEADLY SHOOTERS OPEN

2 MORE YEARS OF THIS OLDASS HASBEEN, AND 4 MORE YEARS OF MARVIN WILLIAMS. LMAO DUDE HAS A PLAYER OPTION ON HIS 5TH YEAR. DIDN’T EVEN GET 1 CONTRACT OFFER FROM ANYONE BESIDES HAWKS

JeJe

March 9th, 2010
12:28 am

WHY IS THIS TEAM SO BAD DEFENSIVELY? WHY CAN WE NOT STOP ANYONE?

WHY DO WE KEEP LOSING TO HORRENDOUSLY AWFUL TEAMS?

LOSING TO THE WARRIORS? KNICKS 3 TIMES?

SWEPT BY OKC?

LOSE 3 TO MIAMI?

THIS TEAM IS DONE. YEAH THEY’RE 4TH SEED BUT 2ND ROUND THE SWEEP WILL GO BY FASTER THAN A NEW YORK MINUTE.

NO OFFENSIVE SCHEME, HORRENDOUS COACHING, AN UNDERUTILIZED AND UNDEVELOPED BENCH

A “SUPERSTAR” WHO BALLHOGS MORE THAN KOBE

JAMAL CRAWFORD WHO HAS BEEN MORE UNSELFISH LATELY AND HAS BEEN SLUMPING TOO EVEN THOUGH HE COULD’VE SHOT MORE TODAY

JOSH SMITH WHO PUTS UP NICE NUMBERS AND HAS BEEN A LEADER, BUT STILL IS A HORRENDOUS PASSER (WHO THE HELL KEEPS SAYING HE’S A GOOD PASSER?) HE PASSES PLAYERS THE BALL WHEN THEY’RE 2 FEET AWAY BEHIND THE BASKET. ALSO CANNOT HIT A FREAKING FT

MARVIN AND BIBBY = DEADWEIGHT. USELESS PLAYERS

JeJe

March 9th, 2010
12:29 am

OKC ISNT AWFUL BUT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SWEPT

Najeh Davenpoop

March 9th, 2010
12:33 am

JeJe, OKC is a borderline elite team at this point. I would even argue they are more or less what we want the Hawks to be. The Hawks got off to a fast start and are sliding; the Thunder got off to a slow start and are surging. Right now I would pick the Thunder to beat all but the top two teams in the East in a 7-game series.

TheAntiMe

March 9th, 2010
1:20 am

WTF? Not again!

tyler

March 9th, 2010
1:21 am

i highly doubt that this team makes the 2nd round. It looks like it’s gonna be the Raptors either way you look at it and it’s not gonna happen. Way too inconsistent! The Knicks stink and they somehow own us. Well- look at it this way, a first round exit will probably send Woody packing!

northcyde

March 9th, 2010
2:00 am

I guess all fan bases are like ours. LOL . . I guess. I don’t know though.

I need to check the Denver, Utah, Phoenix, and San Antonio boards, seeing that they have the exact same problems we do on the road. The saving grace for those teams, is that like we are, they are dominant home teams. That’s what will make all of us 50 win teams at the end of the season.

But I just don’t get why you fans freak out over a road loss to the Knicks, and try to correlate that into how the Hawks will do for the rest of the season and in the playoffs? The NBA doesn’t work like that folks. Every game is not a life and death situation, and every win or loss doesn’t determine how you’ll play in the future.

We lost a game we should’ve won on the road . . OMG . . the Hawks are doomed.

LOL . . year right.

***************

Hawks lose @ Charlotte in November

FANS: OMG . . how can we lose to Charlotte? We just beat Portland on the road and were 4 – 1 going into that game? And we lose to the BOBCATS by 20? JJ sux . . trade Josh Smith . . and FIRE WOODY.

Hawks then go on to win 7 straight games

**************

Hawks lose @ Detroit at the end of November

FANS: OMG . . THE PISTONS? WE LOSE TO THE PISTONS? How can this happen? We let a guy with no eyebrows beat us? We were 12 – 4. An elite team. And the PISTONS BEAT US? JJ sux . . Marvin sux . . and FIRE WOODY

Hawks then go on to win 7 of their next 8 games

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Hawks lose at home to the Knicks in early January

FANS: THE KNICKS? THE (( bleepin )) KNICKS? HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN? And NATE ROBINSON? We let a Monchichi torch us like he was Jordan? I told you this team was a fraud!! We’ve lose 6 of our last 8. We’re not forreal. We’re going to fall to the 6th seed. JJ sux . . Bibby sux . . and FIRE WOODY.

Hawks then go on to win 8 of their next 11 games

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Hawks lose @ Golden St 3 weeks ago

FANS: THE WARRIORS? ARE YOU (( bleepin )) KIDDING ME? They’re a D-League team with 2 gunning guards, no center, and we can’t even beat THEM? Yeah, we’re 34 – 20, but we’re not elite. I hate this team!!! JJ sux . . . Marvin AND Bibby sux . . and FIRE WOODY

Hawks then go on to win 6 of their next 7 games

******************

This team is so much more mentally tougher than its fan base, even if they do play schizophrenic on the road. A bad loss to the Knicks will only make this team stronger. That’s why they haven’t lose more than 2 games in a row but ONE TIME all year.

Lord knows what the responses will be on this board, if we win 3 out of 4 vs San Antonio, Orlando, the Lakers, and Cleveland. I guess people will be talking NBA Title then.

Woody and the Hawks have been straightening these little bouts of adversity out all year. I expect nothing different in the coming weeks.

Clyde

March 9th, 2010
2:11 am

Its official. Fire Woody is the most common used phrase ever on the AJC Hawks blog.

Bibby is making the Hawks front office look real dumb right now. A muti-million dollar contract to score 1 point in 20 minutes of play. SMH. I just don’t understand.

FIRE WOODY

jj

March 9th, 2010
2:16 am

History says,”Nero fiddled while Rome burned”.I wonder what The Group is doing?

northcyde

March 9th, 2010
2:29 am

The Hawks are 20-17 in their last 37 games, for a .540 winning percentage.

LOL . . it’s all in how you want to frame the Hawks season sir.

* 27 – 17 in our last 44 games ( .612 )

* 20 – 17 in our last 37 games ( .541 ) . . the stat shown to show the Hawks in the worst most possible light.

* 19 – 11 in our last 30 games ( . 633 )

* 14 – 9 in our last 23 games ( .609 )

* 10 – 6 in our last 16 games ( .625 )

* 6- 3 in our last 9 games ( .667 )

It’s all in how you want to frame the season sir. It’s funny how the AJC writers, and some of you fans, want to characterize our season from that 19 – 6 start we had . . with that 20 – 17 stat since . . . like the Hawks have been barely mediocre or something.

In our last 25 games, we’re 15 – 10 ( .600 )

That’s why I contend that the people in Atlanta, some of our fans, and some of the AJC sportswriters, really don’t like Woody, JJ, or this team as a whole. You guys always try to go negative.

I bet Schultz and/or Bradley is writing an article right now about the Knick loss, and how that proves that we’re not ready for the playoffs. LOL. The Hawks are simply playing like the Hawks.

A top 10 team . . but not a top 3 team.

Clyde

March 9th, 2010
2:32 am

Hey Grandad, Ken Strickland and JEJE

Have any of all seen that Woody lover Samuel lately? The Hawks are playing so bad that he’s embarrased to post anymore.

Mike Bibby had 1 point, 2 rebounds, 1 assist, and 2 fouls in 21 minutes of play. Yet Bibby is getting paid 6 million a year. With Bibby the Hawks are passing on the tradition of wasting money. I thought they learned they lesson with speedy claxton but i guess some organizations are just hard headed.

FIRE WOODY

northcyde

March 9th, 2010
2:44 am

Correction:

It’s actually 21 – 17 ( .553 ) since the 19 – 6 start . . . and 28 – 17 ( .622 ) in our last 45 games.

NOTE: If we’d kept winning at our 19 – 6 clip ( .760 ) . . we’d be 48 – 15 . . the 2nd best team in the league, and 1 game behind the Cavaliers . . . and on pace to go 63 – 19

YEP . . those sure were the expectations around here about the Hawks to start the season. 63 wins.

rocknblues81

March 9th, 2010
2:57 am

Northcyde really likes to sniff the hawks players jockstraps.

The Hawks struggle to be really good healthy teams. In fact, they almost never do. Despite their record, there is a very good chance the Hawks could lose a playoff series to any team not named NJ.

Even a series with Washington would probably go 6 or 7 games. For the most part, the Hawks are only good at beating a team here and here. That rarely show a consistent high level of play against any team.

Northcyde can continue to fight the good fight all he wants… but the bottomline is that when the playoffs start, the Hawks aren’t good far. Anyone that thinks otherwise is stupid.

rocknblues81

March 9th, 2010
3:02 am

The later it gets into the season, the worse the hawks are playing.

They don’t play REAL basketball. They play junk ball… Not just because they play one on one, but they don’t box out and they almost never defend the 3pt line. 25 years ago, this team wouldn’t win 25 games.

rocknblues81

March 9th, 2010
3:10 am

If this is a top 10 team it’s just at that 10 spot and they’re so far away from LA, Cleveland, Orlando and even Denver that being a top 10 team isn’t impressive. Even in wins… Outside of like 2 games, the team has scraped by since the all star break.

northcyde

March 9th, 2010
3:16 am

rocknblues . . . I’m not sniffing anything. All I’m doing are stating the FACTS about this team. But you guys want to make sweeping generalizations about the Hawks ( whether it be positive or negative . . mostly negative ) . . based on 2 to 4 game stretches.

LOL . . this is an 82 game season. Not a 4 or even a 10 game season.

See . . in the quest to want the Hawks to be elite, you guys downgrade this team tremendously. I’m simply not going to let you guys get away with that crap.

The NBA season is a straight up GRIND in which you’re going to have peaks and valleys. Yeah, they’re not playing perfect. But they’ve still managed to win 6 out of every 10 games throughout the season. For some reason though, people either hate that . . or expect this team to do more . . even if they don’t have the overall talent to do more.

But for some reason, you people hate the FACTS about this team. Instead of wishing for this team to play like Cleveland, how about appreciating them playing like the Hawks. LOL . . even though their struggles are maddening at times, it makes the season that much more interesting. You literally have to watch EVERY GAME of this team, because you never know how they’re going to play.

What’s funny though, is that people KNOW that Marvin and Bibby have been inconsistent as hell . . and the bench have played below average ball all year. Yet, people expect this team to be a lot better than what they are?

Really?

With a struggling veteran PG and a SF that shows up every now and then?

Really?

It is what it is folks. Until guys start playing better, we’ll continue to be that “good” team that wins 6 or 7 out of 10 games.

And if JJ and Crawford struggle with their shot, then it makes winning games all the more harder.

2 game losing streak . . the Hawks are doomed.

Until JJ and Crawford start making shots again. Then everything will be all good. You guys can push the panic button if you want to . . like you’ve been doing all year with this team.

I’m simply enjoying the ride, waiting to see how this team performs in the playoffs.

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 9th, 2010
3:49 am

lol people….Woodson said enough in post game interview. That was the most telling moment of the ENTIRE season. THE MAN TOLD ON HIMSELF!!!!!!

I want Woodson worshippers to tell me something. How in the he11 is woodson a good coach, when after 4 games against the knicks…all he can say is “they just match up well with us..FOR SOME REASON”

Do you mean to tell me that after 4 games, an NBA level coach cant figure out what the problem is concerning his team when they face a certain other team???????

NBA coaches make IN GAME adjustments. This clown said HIMSELF he cant even figure out whats wrong after having played FOUR GAMES against the knicks. lol is he serious????

Its one thing for a coach to analyze something going on in a game, try to make adjustments and you still just cant win….but this man is saying he doesnt even know whats going on AT ALL.

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 9th, 2010
3:58 am

Teams like Golden State and New York have lots of guys who can shoot it and create their own shots. They have some talent. You wonder, why their records are so bad? Well, they are small teams and COACHES/TEAMS take advantage of that.

Idioitically, Woodson and the Hawks PLAY INTO the favor of teams like those. The Hawks simply dont have as many guys as GS and NY that can create their own shot……they get into a battle of jump shots and ISOs….and either lose or allow the team to put up a good game against em.

rocknblues81

March 9th, 2010
4:05 am

Yes, you do sniff jocks. Your criticism of this team when they have poor performances are FAR less.

“What’s funny though, is that people KNOW that Marvin and Bibby have been inconsistent as hell . . and the bench have played below average ball all year. Yet, people expect this team to be a lot better than what they are?”

Last year Bibby averaged 15PPG. But they’ve seen him drop to basically 7PPG over the last 2 or 3 months. Bibby is paid a lot of money to mostly just hit open shots and he can’t even do that correctly. People have the right to be mad when people aren’t doing their jobs. And Mike sure isn’t doing his job.

“I’m simply enjoying the ride, waiting to see how this team performs in the playoffs.”

The fact that this team can mostly only take a game here or there doesn’t bode well for the playoffs where you got to beat the same team 4 out of 7 times. They barely got Miami last year when Wade was basically all Miami had and his series wasn’t all that great either.

The team did play Toronto well, but Toronto was playing a lot worse back then.

Like I said, the Hawks could very well lose a series to anyone in the east not named NJ. The Knicks could probably be the Hawks in a playoff series. Maybe even Washington.

People aren’t sold on this team for a reason. They play a crappy brand of basketball. When you watch games, you can see that. Even in wins they can only play well for short spurts. This team is NOT as good as it’s record suggests. They’ve been healthy all year and that is the ONLY reason reason they have a shot at 50 wins. But beating a healthy team 4 times out of 7 is a different ball game than the regular season where they have caught a lot of teams hurt and/or playing on a back to back.

The playoffs show how good a team really is and there is little reason to believe this team can go deep into the playoffs.

vava74

March 9th, 2010
4:33 am

Northcyde,

you are simply delirious. our winning record is deceiving and built mostly with wins against mid to low level teams plus some wins against winning ball clubs which were either undermanned or extremely tired in the back end of their east trips or BOTH.

Rod,

I wasn’t saying that I am particularly happy with Marvin’s performance. What I said is that he was not a negative factor yesterday and at least in the 4th quarter he seemed to contribute.

To put it in a simple way: our line up with Jamal, JJ, Marvin, Josh and Al usually is more effective defensively than if you replace Marvin with Bibby, in particular because Bibby is either ahooting poorly or not shooting at all to compensate his lack of defense.

Again on yesterday’s game: JJ made some bad decisions yesterday, missed a clutch FT and a few defensive assignments. He looks tired AGAIN. and that is why I believe that his production should/could be better if he was more rested and if Woody called the ISO ONLY AT TH END OF GAMES AS A LAST RESORT SITUATION RATHER THAN CONSISTENTLY.

Defenses adapt to JJ’s game throughout the match and we should not give them the opportunity to do so.

If Woody can’t trust Teague than we should consider going extra big with a starting line up of JJ, Mo, Marvin, Josh and Al.

JJ can handle the point – he already does – but focusing in driving and dishing, or posting and passing out.

Mo is quick enough to guard most PGs and he would certainly not do a worst job than Bibby. Also, he has enough handles to play his natural SG position.

Then Jamal would come in to relieve JJ from the PG duties

vava74

March 9th, 2010
4:36 am

This way we would still have Jamal working as the 6th man, moving to th SG slot with either Bibby or Teague coming in for Mo.

Then we could also use Josh at the SF slot with Joe S coming in for Marvin.

I think that this would keep opponents guessing a lot more than they do now.

tjhook

March 9th, 2010
5:02 am

start mo evans at the two and put JJ at the three and have the team push the ball at the start of the game to get momentum going. But that would take pressure off of Woody to coach, wouldn’t it?

northcyde

March 9th, 2010
5:12 am

vava . . I’m sorry man, but that’s all BS.

The same teams we beat to give us our record, are the same teams those other “elite” and “good” teams beat, to give them their record. No one had sympathy for us when we were hurt last year in the playoffs. So I’m damn sure not going to have sympathy for teams that we play, that are hurting. And I’m not going to diminish what the Hawks have done, simply because people have been out, or because you feel that they weren’t “up to par”.

You guys simply overreact to wins and losses around here. You always have. If we beat Orlando in 2 weeks, some of you will be championing that we can take them in a series. If we beat the Lakers, some of you will say that we’re NBA Finals bound.

LOL . . you guys want this Knick loss to be the start of something terrible, and it simply isn’t going to happen.

I’m just laughing at you guys though forreal. Lose a bad game, and it’s total chaos around here. Yet, you all think that you could stomach Woody giving the bench guys more playing time, even if we lost?

LOL . . no way. No way in hell.

You guys are simply way too emotional over each win and loss. This is NOT college football, in which a bad loss can kill your season. This is the NBA.

This is pretty much the same reaction you guys had to the Golden St loss 3 weeks ago.

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 9th, 2010
5:31 am

northcyde, what’s with all the talk about how guys are overreacting about “a” game. I could have swore we blew it against the heat too. You’re acting like it was this one game. The hawks pull this same act too much and people just really want to see this team get over the hump, yet they regress.

you said

“This is pretty much the same reaction you guys had to the Golden St loss 3 weeks ago.”

as if guys were overreacting and something great happened after that to prove the Hawks were playing like a contender again.

Since that game we’ve gone 6-3, with 5 of the wins against Minnesota, Philly, Golden State, Milwaukee, and Chicago. That’s nothing to to brag or really feel good about. lol those are teams we’re supposed to beat anyway. Even with that said, we had to squeak by Golden State and Milwaukee, and couldnt even put Minnesota away …ALL at home.

So whats so great about our 6-3 record since the GS lost? All we’ve done is look like a team headed for an early exit from the playoffs.

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 9th, 2010
5:38 am

We’ll see what the Hawks are really made of though. From here on out….with the exceptions of a home game against Indiana and a home game against Toronto….the remainder of our schedule ’til the end of the regular season is either

1) a road game
or
2) home games against teams who’ve given us trouble.

Good Luck.

northcyde

March 9th, 2010
6:08 am

My bad Mac.

2 game losing streak to Miami and New York . . . 2 – 6 vs those teams

OH NO . . . Season Over. (( crying ))

************

People want this team to play perfect. When they don’t play perfect, they whine and complain to the heavens, win or lose. Grinding out a win vs a “bad” team isn’t good enough for folks. We have to beat them by 20, to prove how “elite” we are. Yet, that’s what the other teams do, especially when playing those “bad” teams on the road.

Honestly, the only thing I’m keeping my eye on lately, is JJ’s shooting. His shooting has been very erratic the past 6 games, yet, we’re 4 – 2 in those games. LOL . . that’s why I’m not worried one bit about this team one bit. Our star player is struggling a little lately, yet, the team is still right there . . grinding through it all.

The minute JJ gets his groove back, this team will take off again. I mean . . unless people think he’s going to shoot below 40% FG for the rest of the year. Some probably do though.

The Real Hawk

March 9th, 2010
6:55 am

You let a losing team shoot 50% and 11-15 threes. what do you expect?
We will never be an elite team if you will not put away losing teams. (see Mia).
It’s coaching (or lack of same).

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 9th, 2010
6:55 am

So basically you have no worries, because you believe once Joe “Gets it going” again…..everything is going to be ok???

I’m worried about the playoffs. You’re putting a lot of faith in a guy who pulled a disappearing act in the playoffs last year, and isnt that
dependable in the clutch even when he does have it going. (This doesnt mean he never shows up in the clutch, but not as much as a real SUPERSTAR…or for as
much ball hoggin as he does in the 4th)

OK, even if he does, can we expect Joe to be hot for even half of the games in the playoffs? Because he’s shown otherwise.
Even if he does get hot….Who’s to say players on the opposing teams wont either. Joe getting his shot back still wont compensate
for other things like poor defense, poor coaching, underachievers (marvin and bibby), size disadvantages down low, etc.

The fact of the matter is, this team has several issues that need to be addressed. lol you’re delusional if you simply think Joe regaining his touch
again is going to solve all (or even half) of our problems. You act like ol buddy is Jordan or something. He’s a good player but come on now.

Astro Joe

March 9th, 2010
7:05 am

northcyde, you’re wrong. The teams ahead of us don’t play mid/poor teams, they only play the elite and they only play them on the road, while missing 6 of 5 starters, with their coach fighting off a stomach flu and the mascot riddled with ticks, fleas and a bad case of poison oak.

Knicks were red-hot from deep and the Hawks had a chance to win the game by getting a starting big to convert a dunk from a foot outside of the rim.

Clyde

March 9th, 2010
7:12 am

If Marvin and Bibby continue to play like this Woody will be fired after we get swept in the first round.

FIRE WOODY

vava74

March 9th, 2010
7:33 am

Astro,

EVERYONE is red hot from deep against us. EVERYONE.

Starting with the loss at Charlotte when Bell looked like an all of famer (actually it started in the pre-season against ORL), we have consistently been torched from 3 point land by almost everybody: from scubs to stars.

Here is the list of guys who shot the lights out from 3 point land:

CHA: Bell, everyone playing in the perimeter in the ORL team; NY: Harrington, Nate, Duhon, Chandler, Galinari, Walker (!!); GS: Curry, Ellis, Tolliver (!!!); Miami: Decquan Cook, Quentin, Wade, Beasley (not volume, but important shots); Por: Rudy @ Atl which almost cost us the game; Den: JR Smith; OK: Green; DAL: Kidd (!); NO: Peja (looked younger than ever) plus almost everyone else in the away game when the NO team shot 12-17!!!!; CLE: Mo, VAREJÃO and ZIGGY (!!!!!!!)

richbrave

March 9th, 2010
7:41 am

From the commentary on the game, I recognize it well as visions of WIZARDS unis dance in my head.

Off to ATLANTIC CITY Thursday see my SPIDERS on Friday. Got to get my bets down early. KEVIN ANDERSON (NORTH DeKALB) named Player of the Year in the A-10, and DAVID GONZALVEZ (MARIETTA) on the all defensive first team.

O'Brien

March 9th, 2010
8:00 am

Hawks should not have lost this game. Doesn’t Woody realize that the switching defense does not work all the time (especially against teams with good perimeter shooters)? He needs to be able to adjust. Amd what’s up with the players not giving the effort on D?

Maybe Woody needs to talk to Marvin, Bibby and ZaZa (who were all resigned by Sund this past offseason) every week, because they seem to have gone back in their shell. Marvin and ZaZa are still young, and they might turn it around. But Bibby is old and slow, and we still have him for 2 more years after this one.

The good news is that the Hawks play up to their competition, and they play down to their competition, so I expect a better showing in the playoffs, because I think they will be more focused then.

northcyde,

Where has Joe Smith been for the last 6 quarters (after having a good first half against Miami)? And Bibby played 21 minutes, despite only getting 1 point, 2 rebs, and 1 assist, while playing horrible defense, but yet Teague got no minutes in the second half. I just think Woody needs to do a better job with his bench usage (not just Teague).