Atlanta Hawks at Knicks, AKA Trapped In A Zone

The Hawks have trouble with a zone defense, because that requires an offensive scheme, and Woody has trouble with offensive schemes. Iso-Joe doesn’t work with a zone.

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The Hawks should than look at how other teams beat the Mavs when they throw that zone out.

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MC, will the AJC pay for travel expenses for you to attend road playoff games? Sorry, but sometimes it feels like everything associated with the Hawks is operating on a shoe-string budget. Radio station doesn’t broadcast out to NW suburbs after 7:00 (or said differently, at game time), newspaper doesn’t provide on-site coverage at all road games and the Hawks are forced to have the minimum number of players on the roster. At least we have a quality blog that includes spele chck sotfweare.

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… and as long as the Hawks spend enough money on talent, I’m cool. But then, I’m within 5 miles of Philips, so I don’t have quite the issues that AJ does.

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Astro,

You are a funny dude…lol

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manny t i am very surprised at the increase. i was struggling with the idea of supporting the league after the ruling on the cavs game knowing the game is fixed, i can watch wwe at home if i want to. now, i am not so sure about renewing as are many around me.

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Astro Joe, the way the AJC is hurting in the paper biz we are lucky they even managed to replace Sekou with MC, travel or no….

So let’s keep those page views coming folks! I used to buy the AJC every day, even bought both the AJ and the AC before the merger, but since moving out of state the online version is where its at for me.

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I wouldnt be suprised if we lost to the lowly Knicks. Never know with this team. Better be glad Nate’s gone.

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Jon, we already lost to the Knicks. TWICE!

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MC,

If I’m not mistaken, there was a Knicks game earlier in the season (you weren’t here yet) where the Knicks went to a zone in the 4th, and the Hawks lost. After the game, Woody said “I guess the jump shots looked appetizing”. Unfortunately, we weren’t making them, but we continuted to take jump shot after jump shot.

After the Mavericks game, where the Hawks missed a lot of shots over the zone, Crawford’s response basically was that “if the Hawks played the Mavericks the next day, they would not miss those shots again”.

Well Mr. Crawford, if you are reading this, is it safe to assume that if you played Miami again, the team (especially JJ) would not miss those shots again?

Woody (and other bloggers) talk about how good the Hawks look when the ISO is working, and when jump shots are falling. But to be a good playoff team, you must have a plan B for when those things are not working. Unfortunately, Woody’s plan B is to try harder at plan A.

terrell, from the previous blog,

Except for Josh Smith, I’m waiting for one of the draft picks from the Hawks to overachieve (I dont include Horford, because we had high expectations from his as the consensus #3 pick). So far, we have Marvin, Chills, Shelden, Salim, Acie (the jury is out on Cenk and Gladyr). If our second round picks can continue to get better overseas, then they will become valuable assets for the Hawks down the road.

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So, Astro Joe, you want the Hawks to put 3 more players on the bench just so they can have the maximum? Damn, Woody doesn’t play half of their bench players as it is. Why pay for more “cheerleaders”?

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Anyone who thinks the Hawks are better this season than last, imagine if they had the same number of missed games as last season. They have been almost injury-free. They should be better, with Crawford and a vastly improved bench, but Woody doesn’t give the bench meaningful minutes. Woody’s done a good job over the years, but the better the Hawks get, the more his weaknesses are exposed. If you swapped the coaches when Golden State came to town Friday, Nelson’s Hawks would win that game by 30 pts. Woody is a good teacher, but a terrible sideline coach.

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overload one side of the zone… attack the gaps in the zone… feed the ball vertically… push the ball up the floor..

see these concepts of beating a zone defense require creativity… ya know, just in case guys are hitting shots be it legs or just an off shooting night. you cant just expect shots to drop, or guys to eventually make shots especially when the game is on the line. so you counter there defensive strategy…

late costly turnovers… Woodson going to Crawford to QB the offense yields these types of results.. but hey, maybe he was in the game to shoot us out of the zone (which he almost did on prayers). vs going to a PG who can make PG like decisions and even penetrate gaps and look to dish..

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It’s just like if you have a team playing you man to man, and you have people on your squad who can score against it. You tell those guys to do their thing, preferably by telling them to take the ball to the basket, because there isn’t likely going to be someone rotating over to you fast enough to stop your shot.

Even when you’re talking about penetrating and dishing into a zone, the PG is usually throwing the pass out to an open shooter. It’s then up to the shooter to make the shot ( ala what Ray Allen did yesterday in the Boston game ). So no matter how the ball moves or who is penetrating, if you’re getting an open look, you have to knock that shot down on the NBA level.

Some of you guys in ATL who get every game, and are good with video editing, need to start to DVR these games, and post them on youtube or something. Or simply post key segments in the game. While showing the entire game may be against NBA broadcast rules, editing video down to show ONLY the Hawks offensive possessions ( say, in the 4th quarter ), should be perfectly legal to do. I’m surprised some of the hardcore fans aren’t doing this already.

Mr. Cunningham, how about you DVR tonight’s game since you’re not making the trip, and break down key moments in that game ( whether they be positive or negative ). I used to do that for the people at Hawksquawk ( via transcript of what I saw ) a few years back, especially when people were bagging on Marvin for everything. The review of the video showed that Marvin wasn’t nearly as bad or detrimental to the team, as people thought.

I think a lot of people simply don’t see what is going on all the time at first look. When you review these games, and stop and rewatch a certain part to see what a player or the team are doing, you’ll see things that you don’t see in a live viewing.

But with me being in Tennessee, I don’t get to see every game on TV. I have to watch quite a few games via the net. I can’t get the FSN South games in Tennessee, so I’ll have to watch via the net. Otherwise, I’d definitely do this.

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To be more specific, you beat a zone with ball movement and taking good shots. Also if our PG would push the ball and attack the basket in transition, the defense would not have time to set the zone. However, if you look at our 4th quarter line-up with Bibby as PG, it is easy to understand how we are losing these close games. Compare what Miami did down the stretch vs. what we did. Wade attacked almost every possession and either made shots or drew fouls. We however walked the ball into our half-court set and took long jumpers (because that was only thing available against their zone) or we experimented with Josh as a point forward (are you kidding me?). If the shots are falling then we are not having this conversation but they weren’t. You would think after the first failed attempt, Woody would have called a time-out and made adjustments. But he did not, so we went through 3-4 possessions where we failed to score. This is a blueprint for beating the Hawks. Bibby as PG walking the ball in transition and shying from attacking the basket while our shooters are choking make us vulnerable to the zone.

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Terrell, I know we’ve lost twice but at this point of the year, you just can’t lose to them, hell they lost to the Nets at home Sat. If we lose tonight,I’m done!

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I think in one of the earlier NYK games this year, T. Douglass lit us up for 20+ …. get a check on him.

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Like I said . . the DVR recorders need to be set tonight, so that some of you can really look and see what is going on. If a guy is getting a wide open 17 foot jumper, and it’s JJ, Bibby, or Crawford taking that shot, you have to consider that being a “good shot”.

So if they don’t make that shot . . we’re not going to win the game anyway.

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There was no reason for Teague to not play at all against the Heat and Joe Smith was perfect from the field..why didnt he get back in the game to rest the starters?? They were very tired from the game b4 but Woody did nothing to help the situation..

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So who do you put in O’Brien?

Teague? Who can’t make an open jumper and can’t finish in traffic when he goes to the hole.

Mo Evans? Who can knock down the open jumper, he just hasn’t done it with any sort of consistency this year.

Zaza? He can’t make a jumper nor finish at the rim. It’s embarrassing to see how many point blank lay-ups he misses.

Mario West? Who in his entire career has made 3 . . count them . . THREE JUMPSHOTS in his career.

Joe Smith? Who can make the midrange jumper at a higher rate than Smoove, but isn’t worth taking Smoove out of the game.

O’Brien . . if those bench guys could come in and “hold the fort” while our starters rested, then you could afford to play them more. But if they keep getting outplayed, the starters have to play. So, tired or not, we pretty much have no choice but to live and die with our starters.

The 5 year trend with the Hawks, even this year, is that when JJ goes out of a game, even for a 3 minute stretch, 75% of the time this team falls completely apart. Those are just facts. You can go back through the Hawks box scores, and see how many times our fringe bench players have put up negative +/- numbers.

If those guys played more, we’d have less wins and more losses. Until they start playing better, you can’t extend their minutes.

It simply is what it is.

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MC,

Since Jamal seem to be a regular follower of your blog. I wonder if you and him would consider doing an Q&A session where we (bloggers) could ask him questions. He seems to be a very down to earth guy that would enjoy chatting with the fans (well maybe except Astro Joe,he he)….

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northcyde

It’s not just the Hawks are missing shots in the zone that is leading to loses. The opposing team is also capitalizing on those missed shots and scoring. They are attacking our defense and scoring at will. Teams can easily make-up a deficient against the Hawks during crunch time. So this is not just about our offense struggles against a zone but also our aweful defense as well.

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THE HAWKS ARE HEALTHY AND HAVE BEEN VIRTUALLY HEALTHY ALL YEAR. THE CELTICS AND CAVS AND MAGIC HAVE DEALT WITH PAINFUL INJURIES, AND ALL 3 TEAMS ARE BETTER THAN US IN THE STANDINGS AND IN PERSONNEL.

WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ALL, HAWKS FANS?

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ZaZa – your talking about ZaZa? The Hawks had the lead at the half and ZaZa did nothing but rebound. Never missed a shot because he did not get one. Wade took over the third qt and Wade and Beasley out played us the 4th qt. Was ZaZa the one guarding them? He had 8 rebounds in 14 min. ZaZa did his job.

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Woody misuses his bench with regularity. When the bench is playing well, he will not ride them. Around the 7min (2nd qrt) mark whether the bench is balling or not he we bring the starters back in. the other night, it was clear the heat were being outplayed by the hawks bench( Teague, Smith and ZaZa) . Wade had a short break and the Heat brought him right back in. Our smart coach (such a tactician): Back in come the cold starters and out go the hot bench players. Hawks lead went from 13 to 5 by halftime. Also, if the game is close, he will not take the starters out in the 2nd half. Crawford does not count as a bench player. I could go on about Woody’s non-usage of his bench but I rather not. Did I mention they played the night before?

Side note: The reason the Hawks are a running team is not because of the back court; it’s the front court. Josh, Marvin and Al beat most front courts back down the floor but when your PG and SG walks or jogs the ball up the court we have to play against set defense. (Zones in the 4thqrt) They need to push the ball as often as possible and as discussed they have to hit open shots. But when that doesn’t work the have to go inside either drive or post plays… make the defense react… not allow the defense to dictate to you what they want you to do.

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MS DEE,
congrats on bein’ first. i think that is your first time, right?

WOODY HATERS,
please explain who we bring in if we can woody? i am jus’ as frustrated as you are with woodson, but i ain’t for firin’ him, until i know what the plan is for replacin’ him.

I HAVE READ NO INTELLIGENT DISCUSSION ABOUT WHO WE REPLACE WOODY WITH. AVERY, SCOTT, AND VAN GUNDY ALL WANT 6MIL MINIMUM. ASG AIN’T PAYIN’ THAT.

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Rockets and Blazers had to piece together their teams b/c of injuries and they are still in playoffs contention. Golden State whoop our butts with 8 players and half those players wasn’t drafted and sign from the the D-League. Exactly who are the big time players on the Heat, Bucks and Bulls bench? All of those teams are in the playoffs. And some bloggers wanted talk how weak the Hawks bench is? Maybe they wouldn’t look so weak/bad if they we were utilize on a consisent basis.

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Oh yeah, outside of Lamar Odom. Who is on the Lakers bench that’s worth a crap?????

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THE HAWKS ARE HEALTHY AND HAVE BEEN VIRTUALLY HEALTHY ALL YEAR. THE CELTICS AND CAVS AND MAGIC HAVE DEALT WITH PAINFUL INJURIES, AND ALL 3 TEAMS ARE BETTER THAN US IN THE STANDINGS AND IN PERSONNEL.

WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ALL, HAWKS FANS??

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JeJe- it tells you WOODY can’t coach.

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MELVIN…

CO SIGN… !!!

i fail to believe that our team is worse with contributions/mins from our “scrubs”. Joe Smith gave us good production in Mia… what happened to him 2nd half… ? if the bench warmer is playing well why not take advantage? guys on these other super benches couldnt find minutes here…

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Je Je-
CLE, BOS, and ORL spent almost 20mil more than the hawks as well.. can you imagine what the hawks could do with another 20mil. thats a new coach and two more good bench players.

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MELVIN,

i ain’t talkin’ about the hawks announcin’ the contingency plan. i am talkin’ about the suggestions that the bloggers have about replacin’ woody. they have suggestion on everything else…

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If you look at this year’s Euroleague stats — Euroleague being a league where the zone defense is much more common than the NBA — you’ll see that as you go up the list from the worst team to the best team, attempted 3-pointers decrease while assists increase. I realize not all jump shots are 3’s (although my guess is a higher percentage of them are in the Euroleague since the 3-point line is shorter), and I don’t watch Euroleague basketball so I’m going entirely on stats here (which is something I don’t like to do). But my conclusion from this is that teams play better against zones when they share the ball more and rely on outside shooting less. Maybe someone who watches more Euroleague than me can back up or refute my theory.

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JeJe – that’s funny!!!LOL

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northcyde,

I agree that in the playoffs, the main guys will play 38-40 minutes. However, that still means some of the bench guys will get 8-10 minutes per game. They need more consistent PT now so they will be ready for their brief appearances in the playoffs.

Plus, unlike most of the other teams, the Hawks have been injury free. What happens if one of our starters go down? We would expect one of our bench players to step up. Therefore, they need more consistent PT during the regular seasons games.

And do you think the bench players on other teams are just that talented? I think some of them have been developed by their coaches, and given the opportunites.

They say when life gives you lemons, you should make lemonade. All Woody does is ignore the lemons we have on the bench, while the starters continue to go stale in the fourth.

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COMMON SENSE BASKETBALL LOGIC 101 SAYS:

(1) The 1st thing to suffer when fatigue sets in is DEF.

(2) The 2nd thing to suffer when fatigue sets in is the ability to make jumpshots, especially 3pt shots.

(3) The 3rd thing to suffer when fatigue sets in is the ability to penetrate, elevate and finish strong at the basket.

A HC CAN’T CONSISTENTLY PLAY HIS KEY 6 PLAYERS HEAVY MINS AND EXPECT THEM TO CONSISTENTLY PERFORM EFFICIENTLY ON BOTH OFF AND DEF IN THE CLOSING MINS OF THE 4TH QUARTER OF GMS.

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@ Najeh:

That’s not correct in what you said about the 3 point shooting team in the NCAA tourney, although it’s teams like those that routinely pull off upsets. Whenever you see a small school beat a big school in the NCAA tourney, perimeter shooting is going to be the #1 reason why they usually won the game, because they don’t match up size wise with the big name school..

In that situation, the man to man defense is the way to play a 3 point shooting team, unless you extend and trap out of your zone ( ala what Syracuse does today . . . or how Jerry Tarkanian late 80s – early 90s UNLV Runnin Rebel teams used to play their “ameoba defense” ). But your man to man defense better be solid, because those are the teams that will screen you to death to free up their shooter.

The teams that win titles in the NCAA tourney, usually have the most NBA caliber prospects on their squad. Great talent usually wins out in the tourney.

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As for the people disputing my claims about the bench guys 7 through 10:

One guys asked . . “Who does the Lakers have on their bench besides Odom.”

That’s actually my point. Because the Lakers don’t have many quality bench players, Phil Jackson doesn’t even play the non-essential guys. He’ll go with a solid 8 man rotation. Odom, Shannon Brown, and Farmar are his guys. ( and no, our guys 7 – 10 could not take a spot from those guys, or be the 9th man on the Lakers ).

- Gasol can play both PF and C

- Odom can play PF and SF

- Artest can play SG, SF, and a smallish PF

- Shannon Brown can play SG and PG

Does this sound familiar? Does this sound like a team you’ve seen play before?

- Horford can play PF and C

- Marvin can play SF and PF

- JJ can play SG and SF

- Crawford can play SG and PG

The versatlity of both teams ( especially the starters on both teams ), are why the Lakers and Hawks have the #2 and #3 best starting lineups in the league.

I’ve said all along that Woody actually needs to go the opposite way with our bench. Instead of trying to play 10 guys . . . simply do like Phil Jackson, and play 8. I could care less who the 8 are . . just go with 8.

One has to obviously be Crawford.

And I guess to venture that the other one should be a big

So the 3rd guy could be whomever. I really could care less.

But if you guys really want the starters to rest, Woody needs to play 8 guys, and rotate them in the lineup. And he probably needs to bump Marvin back up to 30 minutes a game.

Anybody who isn’t in that core 8 . . . forget about them.

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But let’s keep it real here. This whole “play the bench” campaign, isn’t really about playing the bench. It’s about playing TEAGUE. That’s the guy most people want to see get more playing time, regardless of how he’s playing.

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Come on Hawks prove me wrong and dominate this game.

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lets get it..

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looks like Woody’s eyebrows are growing back in.

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Joe over at the Knicks bench yukking it up. a sign of things to come?

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no D from Smoove on that 3

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Galinari got the moose going on that do.

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Nobody was even in rebounding position

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Lee>Horford

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Man forget Joe. Let him go to the knicks PLEASE. Sick of his now OVERRATED a.ss

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Seem like every team the Hawks play have dead-eye/knock down shooters…

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Lee layup and foul on Al. no D again.

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OMG! ZONE! WHATTDOWEDO

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Yep… Zone defense and we start jacking up bad jumpshots…

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FINALLY SOME D!

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northcyde 3:34pm said:
So who do you put in O’Brien?

Teague? Who can’t make an open jumper and can’t finish in traffic when he goes to the hole.

Mo Evans? Who can knock down the open jumper, he just hasn’t done it with any sort of consistency this year.

Zaza? He can’t make a jumper nor finish at the rim. It’s embarrassing to see how many point blank lay-ups he misses.

Mario West? Who in his entire career has made 3 . . count them . . THREE JUMPSHOTS in his career.

Joe Smith? Who can make the midrange jumper at a higher rate than Smoove, but isn’t worth taking Smoove out of the game.
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ok,
if your a head coach like your coy is,shouldn’t you play by your players and teams strength??
why play into the other teams hands?
why play or counter with what is a known way of countering a team with anything short of your “A Game”?
P.S. Everybody,look for jamaal to go off in his homecoming and go for 40 or even 50 plus tonite
!!

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I’m surprised that D’Antoni went zone already. I would have probably saved that until the second half.

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Nice D JT0

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Seriously man the hawks just are….. I don’t even know what to say

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lol.. at Nique commentating with food in his mouth…

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hmm… the young whippersnapper splitting the zone…

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lol never mind

i’m obviously seeing things because JJ isn’t on the floor

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man.. id leave Jeff out there..

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Woody is so dumb

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that’s O bigdave. Woody don’t care about O. It’s all about D, can’t you tell?

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this is how you use a bench.. sprinkle them in w/ starters…

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me too Wabe.

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The Hawks shot selection to this point has been ATROCIOUS! Bob Rathbun made a great point. With Josh and Al having the size advantage inside tonight (something they don’t always have), the ball should be going there first every time down the floor. If it had been, the Hawks would be up by a lot more right now.

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Rodriguez is running circles around Bibby…

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FIRE WOODY

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Rodriguez blew right by Bibby and Woody says nothing…

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My question for northcyde & others re: the zone: is the problem that they don’t make their good, open shots … or is it that the Hawks are not patient enough to work for a high quality shot?

(In other words, are the Hawks settling for the jumpers the opposing team WANTS them to take?)

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fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck meeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!

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Well the problem is that only Crawford and Joe are feared jumpshooters at this point in the season .Everyone else you will live with them taking a few jumpshots because you know they can never beat you shooting that shot.

We should not be wondering why we cant shoot against the zone but instead ask why we dont push the ball hard before they can setup the zone and try to get easier baskets .

When the knicks miss outlet the ball with the pass not the dribble and try and attack the rim they are the second worst fg% defensive team in the league

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Bibby couldn’t defend a disabled person

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We run a play out of the timeout where Al catches the ball 15+ feet away from the basket?

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smooooove attackin the zone thts wut im talkin bout

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who is Mo gonna guard??

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Joe costs us so many turnovers trying to do too much… Like taking on 3-4 defenders by himself.

Marvin has to hit those open jumpers, man!

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Blast that is exactly why I wanna see what the team would be like without joe dominating the ball.

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All you stat guys please look this up. I think that Marvin Williams has missed the most uncontested shots in the league this year.

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It’s a mental thing. No one, absolutely no one voluntarily releases why coming down.

He has some sort of mental block and he can’t shake it off…

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Hawks big men can have big nimbers. says Nique.

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(( clapping @ the bench ))

For once, they didn’t get outplayed by the opponent’s bench. They held the fort and were able to play 5 – 7 minutes

(( clapping ))

That’s all the need to do. Hold the fort on a game by game basis.

As for the game, Smith and Horford are taking advantage of the lack of bulk on the NY frontline. Nice to see them active. If we can contain Larry Bird ( Gallanari ), and not let some other fool go off in the 2nd half, we should be able to pull away.

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Maaaan! Get Bibby out of the game for goodness sakes!

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Marvin is giving some D and boxing out. Bibby is giving us zero.

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Could someone ask Woodson why he refuses to use his bench? Honestly….I am so sincere about this. No tongue in cheek…just please MC….ask Woodson why he doesn’t utilize his bench more. Our starters are going to be drained before the playoffs and he doesn’t seem to care.

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time to watch tna vs wwe

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There is no one that can defend Woody’s horrendous coaching

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Why is BIBBY ON THIS DAMN TEAM??????

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Josh can’t buy a basket in the 2nd half…

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Why do we continue to switch Horford on Gallinari….

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Josh nimbers good second half of the season.

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Man this is sad

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get a PG in the game!

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Marvin does not even hustle back on D. He lets Sergio Rodriguez box him out.

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The hawks can’t be serious. The knicks are tougher than the hawks

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This is all about coaching! I’m sick of seeing the league’s worst teams playing us so close. Woodson’s strategy is so predictable….no wonder we have not extended him. Sund is smart not to reup….he’ll go after Joe J. and get us a new coach so we can really contend. We have the 6th man of the year….3 legit all-star starters….and a young PG with potential. Name more than 5 franchises with that lineup? It’s all Woodson and Sund knows that!

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LMAO zaza sucks

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Nique said foot on the line. Crawford was like 4 feet in front of the line LOL

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wOODY DOESNT HAVE A CLUE!!! Joe is a jumpshooter take the most shots on the team but rarely ever gets to the line

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Rod from College Park

March 8th, 2010
9:08 pm

Marvin does not even hustle back on D. He lets Sergio Rodriguez box him out.

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lmao

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We are going to lose this one as well… Our body language is all wrong, we are playing the game the knicks tells us to play.

Herb Williams said it at the half time: keep the Hawks out of rhytmn. And guess what? They are succeeding.

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LOL Venom I noticed that too.

Was at like the FT line.

Bob Ratman was probably thinking “Why the hell do I work with Smitty and Nique in my career? These guys can’t speak English and are dumb”

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iso versus a zone!!! brilliant

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lol@the player movement on offense

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Thank god for jAMAL… HE AN JOSH ARE HEART OF THE TEAM… JOE REALY PLAYS NO DEFENSE AT ALL,HE STANDS AND WATCHES REBOUNDS FALL TO THE FLOOR

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LMFAO

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VAVA YOU ARE SOOO RIGHT

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JJ looks heated.

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We have the worst helpside defense in the league for sure

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What are we gonna hear if we lose a 3rd game to the Knicks, who have no Nate Robinson this game?

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Worst perimeter defense not “helpside” which I have no idea where that came from

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There goes Nate again

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Add Gallanari (or however it’s spelled) to the list of players that make a living off the Hawks. Gezzzusssss………

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How does Crawford continue convert these 4pt plays…

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Galinari is raping the HAwks. Arrest that man

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Josh rotates to help on the penetration and leaves the guy that’s been torching us all night.

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Joe is a biyatch

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another uncontested layup for NY. no D

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where’s good coach woodson?

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This team should have never resign Marvin Williams or brought back Mike Woodson as head coach. I can’t stand his sorry a$$!!!

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I don’e think even the hardcore woody lovers can defend him now

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Double team House? Man, these guys lost it completely. The team just gave up playing anything resembling BBall!

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Hawks are gonna lose this game.

Maybe they are not better than 4th in the East.

Bradley, thanks for jinxing them.

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Damn Woody took Josh out for one play in the 4th…LMAO…

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And now we see iso Joe

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Does this team now how to play defense???????????? And now another turnover

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smh hawks cant beat the knicks

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The Knicks have been spreading the floor and penetrating all game. Either that, or they set the pick at the top – force the switch – and attack the mismatch.

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Damn the hawks are making this team look like the celtics of the 80s

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Hawks just dont have heart and they suck on the road

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dam Marvin you can’t just grab him with both hands and hold on.

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I’m tryin extremely hard not to say anything negative…Go Hawks

-fREE Roe!!!

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Wasn’t Marvin supposed to be Al Harrington’s replacement LMAO

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LMAO @ AM

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down on the road….your team is looking horrible….and all woodson can do is sit down with his hand on his chin???

Woodson took this timeout to tell the team he aint trippin on it. we’ll get em another day…and to let them know that all the drinks are on him tonight at the strip club after the game.

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Mike Woodson has lost this team. The Hawks needs to fire Mike Woodson and really consider hiring Jeff Van Gundy.

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They just figured out that it’s an advantage to go inside??? man, people who think woodson is a good coach are dumb as h3ll.

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I find it hard to accept that these guys can make Million$$ and yet can take so many plays off during a game. where is the pride and work ethic in todays player$$?

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My personal analysis:

The Hawks defense has looked horrible tonight. There might be many factors playing into their poor play. But, from what I’ve seen, the penetration is killing us. They’re basically spreading the floor which leaves guys like Al and Josh in tough spots. Al and Josh have been forced to make snap-decisions all night long – should they rotate and help against penetration or stay with their guys? They’ve done both throughout the course of this game, and we’ve gotten beat regardless of what they’ve done. When they come to help, we’re leaving guys like Gallinari wide open, and he’s killed us. If they don’t help, you see guys like Eddie House taking it right past our guards for uncontested layups.

To those blaming Horford’s inability to defend the paint, please start with our gaurds. They can’t stay in front of anybody, and you’ve seen that tonight. The Knicks haven’t done anything special, they’ve just exploited the Hawks greatest weakness – our gaurds defensive abilities. Both Crawford and Bibby have been beat multiple times tonight for layups. You can’t expect the team to play solid TEAM DEFENSE if your guards can’t stay in front of anybody. To blame Smith or Horford for this is foolish.

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Bibby = playmaker

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game over

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tHAT’S THE WAY TO GO BIBBY? THROW DA BALL TO NO ONE……………….ANOTHER TURN OVER.

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This Hawks/Knicks game is the most aggravating thing I’ve ever seen. Joe is having another late-season meltdown where he heaves up pathetic jumpshots with 15 seconds left on the clock; Horford can’t catch the ball; none of our guards play D; our “coach” doesn’t actually coach, which is made clear by the fact that we dominate in the paint in the first half, and then don’t even make attempts to go inside in the second half until we’re down by 11 points. We don’t play D at all. The f’in Knicks can just camp at the 3 point line and drain open shots. This is a team that went 3-34 from behind the line in their past few games. PATHETIC.

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LOL Bob sounded mad when he said they are 10 of 14!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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NO SHOCKER HERE

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JJ was pretty open. Crawford could’ve lobbed it up to JJ and he could’ve had an easy layup.

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Hawks 3-15 from 3, while Knicks are 10-14. I feel like I’m watching GT play.

And Bibby is horrible. Why did we resign him again? I thought we should have gone after Jarrett Jack, who is cheaper, younger, and plays better defense. Oh I get it, he is not the shooter that Bibby is. How is that working out for us so far?

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Josh is the only person worth a damn on this team

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Knicks gonna make me rich tonight

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The Hawks have to win, how can you lose to a team that has the guy on the Pringles can for a head coach??

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LOL @ Mac

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Finally, Crawford actually went through the pick.

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Dominique kept on saying throw it inside, i thought he was going to go yell at Woody lol! Hawks cant lose against losing teams, every game is a fight with these Hawks,even the Nets will test us on the road

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we dont need another meltdown on defense with wide open 3’s, or drives to the basket

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lol @Marvin walkin like he’s on stilts. That boy foolish.

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‘preciate it Eddy…

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Smoove is learning to act .. needs to teach Joe.

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JJ can’t carry a team……………….not A kobe………LaBronz………………Just your average JOE!

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Kobelite Johnson wantng to be a hero again. I think he cares more about his stats than the Hawks.

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another weak ass jumper from our “superstar”

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What do you know, the Knicks bust out a zone.

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omg josh wtf

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OMG is that a bad shot by Smoove or what.

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Marvin aka(High Pockets)………………………LOL

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We havent been hitting threes all night and Joe taking a 3, SMH

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lol @ the New York make some noise B!

stfu !

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wdf was that?? man the cant lose to this team again

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I love the old we’re not going to cover the guy shooting from the free throw line and hope he misses defense

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Hawks ran no plays what so ever

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The LOWLY “Nets” beat the KNICK in MSG and this supposedly PLAY-OFF Team Can’t beat these Knicks…………….This will be lost #3 to this TEAM?

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Last 2 minutes and we are taking the lowest percentage shots possible. We have 2 alley oop plays in the playbook and that’s it. Josh could be great, but bonehead shots like that will continue to haunt his status as an elite player.

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foullllllllllllll

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count it!

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He didn’t get it off. But seriously, the Knicks players were on the freakin floor before the game even ended.

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nope another hawks choke job

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what a joke. josh smith freaks out when he gets the ball in crunch time

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I’m sick of the hawks. Can’t beat the hawks or the heat pathetic

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Crawford shoulda shot that.

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Can’t believe it.

3 losses to the Knicks.

I’m sorry, but what kind of expectations should a Hawks fan hold for this team at this point in the year after they just managed to lose 3 games to the Knicks. So frustating.

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now that was hilarious. what a bunch of chokers, pretenders, frauds. Clowns.

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that play wasnt even the game breaker. it was those weak ass jumpers Joe Blow kept puttin up. Coach just stands around lookin like Mr. Potato Head.

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Wow i can honestly say that this team is garbage. I have no idea how they won 39 games.

Where the !@#$ is the 4th quarter execution? Every game is the same damn 4th quarter collapse.

WTF is Woodson doing?
WTF is Crawford doing? YOU ARE PLAYING @ YOUR FORMER TEAM. YOU ARE AN ASSASSIN ON THE COURT. DO NOT PASS THE BALL UP ON THE LAST SHOT. STOP DEFERRING TO YOUR TEAMMATES. YOU ARE A SCORER, NOT A DAMN POINT GUARD.

SPEAKING OF POINT GUARDS, MIKE BIBBY IS STRAIGHT-UP TRASH. FORGET THAT AWKWARD STIFF WE HAVE AT SHOOTING GUARD. BIBBY DOUBLE TEAMS PLAYERS FOR NO REASON AND GIVES UP 3”S LEFT AND RIGHT

HOW THE !@#% DO U LOSE A COMBINED 6 GAMES TO MIAMI AND THE KNICKS?

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JOE WOULD RATHER TAKE 30 SHOTS AND LOSE A GAME THAN TAKE 15 AND WIN

IT’S ALL ABOUT JOE. HE THINKS HE’S THE SUPERSTAR SO HE HOGS THE BALL.

GOD DAMNIT

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1 Assist from our 3 PGs!!!

GAME OVER HAWKS LOSE

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I’m offically on the “Get Rid of Woody” bandwagon. His approach to coaching is too simple. You can’t win games on pure talent, there has to be some sort of scheme implemented. And our lack of scheme really hurts us when we need buckets.

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they’re not garbarge and they’re not one and done. They just lost by one point on the road to a team that has their number, for whatever reasons, so stop overreacting after ever loss. My goodness you people are stupid.

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Hawks were fortunate enough to have a soft schedule coming out of the break and now they are blowing it. I would give anything to know what goes on in the lockerroom after such a bad loss.

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Josh wasn’t the reason they lost it was Joe hoggin the ball and stopping ball movement. And Woody’s lack of coaching

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How big is that missed free-throw by Joe Johnson or how big is that missed technical by Jamal?

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they’re not stupid…they’re realists. They know what the Atlanta Hawks are….frauds

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INCONSISTENT!!! We can lose to the Nicks or any team below .500. We can never be certain to win. We may finish 4th or 5th and then get early elimination. May be Rick Sund will do something. It’s a MOCKERY!!

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I didn’t see this game until the final minute, thankfully, but someone please tell me I should be positive about the playoff chances of a team that went 1-3 against the Knicks. The Knicks, a team that lost to the Nets two days ago. The Knicks, a team whose roster is mostly just a bunch of expiring contracts at this point, similar to the Hawks in 2004.

Can’t judge everything from the box score, but I see that Teague played 5 minutes while Bibby scored 1 point. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Don’t even know what to say about that block by Chandler. Hell of a play by him — similar to many plays Smoove has made in the past — but Smoove has to find a way to make that play. Crawford made a GREAT pass and he doesn’t deserve any blame for that at all. Smoove has to convert that somehow. No excuse for getting blocked in that situation.

I’ll say this though — putting aside the fact that I’m a Hawks fan, that final minute was amazing. Must have been really exciting to be a Knick fan at this game.

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would’ve thought we might have come out with a game plan to exploit the lack tissue paper middle of New York…

hmm.. guess not. lets just approach tonights game the same way we do every other opponent. you know all teams are the same with equal strengths and weaknesses.. so we’ll just play them all the same… b/c our scheme is just unstoppable…

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What got us back in the game was going inside and getting to the line. When we cut it to 4, then 2, then 1, Joe and Josh start hoisting up ill-advised shots and stop trying to work it inside. It is baffling, frustrating, all those things, but we were still a millisecond of stealing one against a team that was unconscious from long range tonight. Doesn’t mean I don’t wanna throw up. I can’t stand NY teams.

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Zach,

Have you been following this team all year? Honestly…those of us who have watched every game (I maybe missed 5 or so) are sick of seeing the same loss patterns. We see teams with far less do far more, and thus our frustration. Not trying to knock your opinion, but I think it’s more than ok to demand more from this squad. Good teams lose games like this…Great teams don’t. Maybe our team is only GOOD with Woodson as most of us believe.

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how many points did Woodson allow a 6′10 player score on his starting PG? defense looked a whole lot better when we got away from switching huh…? we stopped playing 5 on 6 or 7…

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The Cavs beat the Spurs without Lebron….

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By the way, there is precedent for firing a coach after a 50-win season. Rick Carlisle won 50 games in 2002-2003 and was replaced after the season by Larry Brown, who ended up leading that team to a title.

I’m not in favor of firing a coach if you don’t have a better replacement in mind already, but please don’t tell me that the Hawks should be satisfied with where they are at right now. 1-3 against the Heat, 1-3 against the Knicks, 20-17 in their last 37 games despite a strength of schedule in their last 25 games of under .500… please don’t tell me this team is ready to go deep in the postseason right now, because they’re not.

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Do you guys hear this post game interview??? Woodson just admitted he’s a bad coach.

“We just dont match up well with them…FOR SOME REASON”

Mike “Good Coach” Woodson doesnt even know the reason(s)” ????????

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We’re not matched up well?

Are you kidding me Woody?

Look at the team you’re playing. It has little to do with the matchups. We have nothing but mismatches. You’ve got two prolific scorers on the perimeter, a DPY candidate at PF, and an All-Star C going up against another All-Star.

Seriously, where are these mismatches? They come in the form of SWITCHING! When you switch on every pick at the top of the key, you’re gonna have mismatches with a David Lee matched up against a gaurd.

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I wonder how teague is feeling. He probably wishes that he wasn’t drafted by the Hawks.

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Dan…I like your timeout suggestion. But Woodson could only handle one part of that…the timeout. I’m sure the drawing up a play part would be a no-go for him.

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i have no problem with Mike Woodson, the man, the person… i wish him well and would love him to lead the Hawks to glory…

but seriously he is FLAAAAAAAAAWED!!!!!

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LOLOLOLOL

AMEN TERRELL. WE HAVE THESE 2 WORTHLESS STIFF OVERWEIGHT/AWKWARD (ONE IS ONE, ONE IS THE OTHER) PIECES OF GARBAGE FOR 6 MORE YEARS AND $40M+. AND YOU IDIOTS THOUGHT THEY WERE GOOD SIGNINGS LAST YEAR LMAO

WOODSON SAYS “WE STILL HAVENT FIGURED OUT ORLANDO….” UM WHEN ARE U PLANNING ON FIGURING THEM OUT?

JESUS
WE HAVE THE WORST COACH, STARTING PG, AND STARTING SF IN THE NBA.

WE LOST TO A TEAM THAT STARTED SERGIO RODRIGUEZ, BILL WALKER (SOME 12TH MAN SCRUB WHO PLAYED ABOUT 30 SECONDS TOTAL IN BOSTON), WILSON CHANDLER (LOL), AND DAVID LEE, WHO IS LIKE 6″8. GOOD JOB WOODSON. OF COURSE WE DONT MATCH UP WELL. UR DUMB POTATOHEAD ASS DOESNT USE THE RIGHT PERSONNEL. U THINK OUR STARTING 5+CRAW IS THE IDEAL MATCHUP IN ANY GAME.

WHY DO I SAY THIS SAME !#@$ AFTER EVERY LOSS? IS ANYONE EVER GONNA LISTEN TO ME? WOODSON DOES NOT USE THE BENCH IN CLOSE GAMES

THIS HAPPENS EVERY DAMN LOSS

WE HAVE LOST TWICE TO OKC, 3 TIMES TO MIAMI, 3 TIMES TO THE KNICKS, AND WE HAVE 2 ROAD GAMES VS. MILWAUKEE LEFT.

ON TOP OF THAT, WE HAVE DOMINIQUE, WHO THINKS CRAWFORD SHOOTING FROM THE FT LINE IS A 3 AND DOESN’T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HORFORD AND AL HARRINGTON

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Watch this!! Joe and somebody else will miss a few games soon. Too much mileage, Thanks to Woody. INCONSISTENT!!!

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gotta have a PG people!!! gotta have one to do anything down the stretch…

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I’m starting now…regardless of what happens the rest of the way. FIRE WOODSON!!!

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I have absolutely no problem with JT0 STARTING from here on out. I don’t care if he’s a rookie, because I don’t see the dropoff being as signficant as some of you. Seriously, what does Bibby offer us on nights like tonight?

1 point, 1 assist, and countless breakdowns on defense.

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It’s official people, HC MIKE WOODSON HAS NO BUSINESS COACHING THIS TEAM. JoSmith scores 8PTs, grabs 2RBs in 6:44mins and doesn’t leave the bench of the next 6 quarters. Teague played well for 5:47mins in the 1st qtr and doesn’t see the court again. Bibby plays 21:21mins and registers 1 pt, 1 assist and was successfully abused by the Knicks, as they took advantage of him and Woody’s beloved switching DEF.

THE ATLANTA HAWKS KEEP MAKING THE SAME STUPID MISTAKES, WHILE OFTEN LOSING, BECAUSE HC MIKE WOODSON KEEPS MAKING THE SAME STUPID MISTAKES. AS THE HC OF THIS TEAM AT THIS JUNCTURE, HE SIMPLY CAN’T GET PAST HIMSELF AND/OR OUT OF HIS OWN WAY WHEN IT COMES TO COACHING STRATEGY, MAKING ADJUSTMENTS AND EFFECTIVELY UTILIZING HIS BENCH.

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Good point Wabe. What do we have to lose besides bad defense?

FIRE WOODSON!

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Ken Strickland…

absolutely.

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The Hawks couldn’t be more “average” if they tried. They have the heart of a hampster. How could any team with an ounce of pride lose consistantly to a less than pathetic assortment of zeros also known as the Knicks ???

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You tell em’ Ken!!

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the owner don’t want to admit that Billy Knight was RIGHT to get rid of Woody.

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I agree with Woodson not calling a time out and the end of the game took a great play from NY. I now am leaning towards getting rid of Woodson. Kobe, King James, Wade, etc, usually start the 4th quarter on the bench and stay until the 8 or 7 min mark to finish strong. Joe sat all of 1 min??? Then he comes in the game missing jumpers!! Every coach from little league down knows to mix your reserves with your starters to be most effective

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Somebody send the Hawks to Oz so they can pick up a Heart, a Brain, and some Courage.

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ahaahahhahahaahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha

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Tired players miss jumpshots and turn the ball over….those are facts!

FIRE WOODSON!

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Let Larry Drew FINISH coaching the year out you’ll see a difference in the way the Hawks play.

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IT IS 3 ON 5 OUT THERE EVERY NIGHT.

MARVIN AND BIBBY ARE USELESS JOKES. BIBBY GAVE UP AT LEAST THREE 3′S ON HIS OWN ACCORD IN THE 4TH. ANYONE ELSE SEE HARRINGTON (NOT HORFORD, ACCORDING TO DOMINIQUE) SCORE ON MARVIN AND MARVIN END UP ON THE GROUND FOR NO REASON?

HOW THE HELL DO WE PAY 14 MILLION FOR THESE 2 SCRUBS? GIVE US AJ AND MATT FREIJE BACK. THESE GUYS ACTUALLY GAVE EFFORT

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I don’t understand how the Knicks can LOSE

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THEY LOSE BECAUSE THEY SUCK IDIOT, THE HAWKS ARE NOT A REAL TEAM, REAL TEAMS DESTROY THE KNICKS

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The Knicks LOST to the NETS and shot 0-18 from 3 point land and torch the Hawks 10-15!!!! As a coach you have to make adjustments. Also, he has to take Joe out when he is not hot. Joe hurt us again tonight. The way ZaZa plays, the Hawks need to pick up M. Moore or any big out there! Hell, I would rather have Kwame Brown that ZaZa

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Mike Woodson, Bibby and Marvin have some “DL” Brotha stuff goin on. How else can you explain Woodson’s unconditional love with playing these losers???

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Ol Hawks fan, just didn’t finish my point….so calm down. I am also very upset at this loss, in addition to the loss to Miami, Dallas, Golden State, Phoenix, etc. all games we should have won. Also, this team has been injury free, so our record should be so much better. There are a few Hawks with a lot of heart. JSmoove is a NBA player and although I did not like that shot, he was open. The shot before that by Joe…Also, some of the players do read these blogs.

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The Hawks have had one good game since the break (@Utah). I’m thinking the Bucks show them the door in the first round.

I’m done defending Joe Johnson, too. If the Knicks want him, take him. He can’t hit a big shot to save his life. No way he is worth the money it would take to resign him. No way!

I can’t rip them enough for their crap play. No defense, no clutch shooting, and a coach who won’t be here next year. The reason he won’t be here? They are losing in the first round. Immature team who thinks it is better than it really is. The Hawks are done. They’re finished. Put a fork in them. Total frauds.

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Your Text, Dialectized (jive)

We gots edged by an down and comin’ team tonight. Man! De Hawks need t’get da damn ball in IsoJoe’s hands mo’e, plum likes dem old days when ah’ wuz strokin 30+ shots some game. It ain’t how many ya’ make dat matters, it’s how many shots ya’ snatch — and Iso Joe ain’t snatchn near nuff.

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I think Woodson has to make changes to save his job. A real coach will make a tough decision a bench his struggling point guard. Looking at the numbers, the Hawks are 13-4 when Marvin takes at least 10 shots! If this team is to be successful, Marvin has to play a bigger role.

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IF WE PLAY TORONTO WE ARE GURENTEED TO GET SMIIIZAAAACKKKKKKKKKKKKED

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With everything we’ve said the HAWKS were 3-17 from 3, that’s where the game was lost!!

GO HAWKS!!

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Marvin had no role in our loss. He played defense, boxed put and hustled.

His shot was off but he had no responsibility on the loss. As soon a he got in for Bibby in the 4th we improved our game to the point of being point blank from a win.

Woody has maxed out his ability and is Noe riding the backs of the players.

We have a good and solid group which is not correctly aligned. There is no logic or consistency in our rotations.

Why bring Bibby back when we were being abused by NY’s back court?

And the switching defense? Does it take a lot of brain to realize that when a team is hot from 3 point land and has quick guards we cannot rely on the switching defense? F**K!!! Any retarded can see that we are constantly getting torched from 3 point land on account of the switching d.

Anyone remotely talented from outside has a chance for a career day against us and when we face guys that are known to be dangerous from the outside we are bound to be torched:

practically all the Magic perimeter players had multiple treys against us, JR Smith drilled 6 or 7, Curry ditto two times, CJ Watson and Ellis also had a few, Galinari had an almost career night, Kidd drilled at will, Jeff Green hurt us as well from the outside along with Durant, Harrington scored 28 points during a first half, Decquan Cook had a field day, Nate exploded in and out, Varejao(!) scored from 3 point land, Rudy in Atlanta almost gave the win to Portland with a series of uncontested treys, Peja looked young and healthy again … From scrubs to stars, almost everyone has a field day against us…

YOU SIMPLY CANNOT USE THE SWITCHING DEFENSE ALL THE TIME AND IN PARTICULAR WHEN THE OPPOSING TEAM IS STARTING TO GET HOT FROM THE OUTSIDE.

YOU NEED TO MIX IT UP.

I will not even dwell too much on the offense. I think Woody is not using JJ properly and is undermining his skills. It’s his task to spare him for the last minutes and reserve both the energy and the random design of the ISO for the last minutes instead of featuring it from the tip off.

By the time that we need JJ to bail us out (or try to) he is tired and the defense is already perfectly addapted to his play. It gets less effective as the minutes pass for both reasons.

Just think about it: even a fairly average defender (individually) or defense (collectively) starts to pick up signs and moves along the game and adapt to JJ’s game.

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yea but its not that hard to figure who i am, im always on here lol

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because he reads the blog and so many haters were talking about his shot selection recently

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I have come to the conclusion that when a person has a dislike for another person or a situation, they will find a way to throw blame their way. However, a Joe Johnson missed free throw is not the reason the Hawks lost this game. And obviously he couldn’t have hogged the ball too much because Jamal, Josh, and Al each had more field goal attempts than Joe in the fourth quarter. Al added two turnovers and Josh added some horrendous jump shots. Don’t get me wrong…I’m not defending Joe because he has his terrible moments as well. It just seems he gets crucified on this board regardless of what’s going on. Is it is possible that the loss could be attributed to Jamal’s poor shot selection and shooting? Or the Knicks scoring 40 points off of Bibby’s defense? Or Marvin being no where to be found as usual? Or Woody not making the necessary adjustments on defense? I’m just saying…….there’s a lot of blame to go around.

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No, you guys won. You put on quite a show…thinking you may have scored high 30’s or low 40’s? Was a good game. Your senior year.

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vava74 makes a great point. Everyone we play against somebody has a career night. How can you let LJ go for 48 on HIS birthday? JR Smith, Nate Robinson, D. Wade etc… all almost going for 40. The defense is horrible. I did not blame Marvin, but when he is aggressive, the Hawks win.

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vava74,

“Marvin had no role in our loss. He played defense, boxed put and hustled.

His shot was off but he had no responsibility on the loss. As soon a he got in for Bibby in the 4th we improved our game to the point of being point blank from a win.”

Seriously dude you need to stop defending this guy. He brings absolutely nothing to our team. He rebounds only because Al and Josh do all the dirty work. I saw this guy get boxed out by Sergio Rodriguez under the goal. He misses wide open shot after wide open shot. He can’t defend anyone. TEAMS DON’T GUARD HIM. I saw the Knicks check him with Eddie House. Al Harrington looked at the guy, took him straight to the hole and put him on his a%*. I have never, in all my basketball years, seen a 6′9 guy end up on the ground more than Marvin. He truly is one of the worst starting small forwards in the league. WONDER WHERE ALL THE MARVIN”S BACK guys are. I told you, I have seen this movie before.

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I noticed teams are treating Marvin as Mr. Irrelevant. He is being guarded by the opposing team’s guard, and usually a forward is checking Joe. I know against Chicago Hinrich checked him and in the Miami game he was guarded by guards.

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the reason why the hawks can’t win is pretty simple, they rarely put pressure on the defense. I love joe’s game and ability to make jumpers but I could guard him 98% of the time. joe is gonna dribble to the middle cross cross pull up if he or someone on this’d

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the reason why the hawks can’t win is pretty simple, they rarely put pressure on the defense. I love joe’s game and ability to make jumpers but I could guard him 98% of the time. joe is gonna dribble to the middle cross cross pull up if he or someone on this team could consistently get to the basket we would be dangerous because we would be able to draw fouls something we can’t consistently do

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SMH!

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I hate to be repetitive but can someone please explain to me why Bibby continues to have games with 1 pt & 1 ast in 22 min and that’s acceptable to coach Woodson. Please explain to me why MW continues to dissapear in games. Why Woodson flat refuses to rest his starters and trust his bench . I’m tempted to quit watching this team and just resign myself to the fact that this is at best a slightly above average team who will struggle with whoever they play in the first round of the playoffs. It is what it is.

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All of the problems with this team start and end with Joe Johnson. He is a horrible leader and worthless when it counts. Everyone gets blinded by his 20 point a game average. But if you are at or watching the games, you can see the poor decision making, missed fourth quarter shots, and lack of communication from this pretend All-star. Joe Johnson stole the spot Josh Smith should have had at the all-star game. And I will bet anyhing Marvin Williams would be a far better player if he did not have to be attached to the sinking iso-joe ship. This hurts to say folks, but this time will never make progress with Joe Johnson as its leader. We should have traded that pathetic bum. I have had it and will not be renewing my season tickets or ever watching another Hawks game until this pretender is booted outta here.

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and to develop some reserves.

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add Z to that list of FAT summer time party boys.

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Coach or The Players

Is it the coach or the players? Do we have 55 or 60 win talent…or 45-50 win talent?

I think it is the coach..this is Woodson’s 6th year and he still cannot make in game adjustments, has not developed a bench or a PG and still has no OFFENSE BLUE PRINT!!!! HOW CAN YOUR PLAYERS DEVELOP OFFENSIVELY, WHEN YOU HAVE NO OFFENSIVE IDENTITY!!!

PS. COACH……THE OFFENSE WILL NOT TAKE CARE OF ITSELF!!!

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