Atlanta Hawks at Knicks, AKA Trapped In A Zone

Super commenters Najeh Davenpoop and O’Brien voiced their concerns about the Hawks vs. zone looks after the Heat used one to stymie the Hawks late in the game Saturday. The Mavericks did the same thing to come back and win on Feb. 26, and you’ve got to think the Knicks will show some zone tonight. Why wouldn’t they? The Hawks tend to seize up and waste possessions when they see it.

There’s even less player movement than normal, there are pointless passes around the perimeter and there are rushed shots. Woody has said most opponents back off the zone once the Hawks shoot them out of it. But what about those games like the two recent losses where they don’t shoot them out of it? Then it’s another “We missed good shots” lament after a defeat.

Clearly the Hawks have to figure out something else. So what exactly is the plan vs. a zone? “Good ball movement, attack the defense and penetrate and dish,” J.J. said after the loss to the Mavs. Sounds good. Now maybe the Hawks should try doing it.

– The New York Post says J.J. is “on display” tonight. The story notes J.J.’s good relationship with coach Mike D’Antoni and agent Arn Tellem’s good relationship with Knicks boss Donnie Walsh and speculates that Johnson could end up in New York. New York media desperate for the Knicks to be relevant again clearly covet LeBron–notice how the stories are about LeBron even when they aren’t–but now they seem to be focusing on J.J. as a consolation prize.

– D’Antoni wants to “speed up” the game by possibly giving Toney Douglas more minutes at point guard. Or maybe it will be Sergio Rodriguez. Either way, I don’t have to tell you that “quick point guard pushing the pace” isn’t something the Hawks really want to see.

– T-Mac is questionable because he’s feeling old.

– All Hawks players were at shootaround today and are good to go, reports FSN South/SportSouth Hawks sideline reporter James Verrett. I’m not with the team but will blog off television.

– Talk amongst yourselves, Hawks fans.

MC

493 comments Add your comment

MsDee

March 8th, 2010
12:50 pm

First..with nothing to say!!

Senor Basketball

March 8th, 2010
12:52 pm

The Hawks have trouble with a zone defense, because that requires an offensive scheme, and Woody has trouble with offensive schemes. Iso-Joe doesn’t work with a zone.

Senor Basketball

March 8th, 2010
12:52 pm

Shouldn’t count if you have nothing to say. I claim first! ;)

MsDee

March 8th, 2010
12:53 pm

The Hawks should than look at how other teams beat the Mavs when they throw that zone out.

MsDee

March 8th, 2010
12:54 pm

Well, technically, I did have something to say..which was ‘FIRST’,,lol

Astro Joe

March 8th, 2010
12:57 pm

MC, will the AJC pay for travel expenses for you to attend road playoff games? Sorry, but sometimes it feels like everything associated with the Hawks is operating on a shoe-string budget. Radio station doesn’t broadcast out to NW suburbs after 7:00 (or said differently, at game time), newspaper doesn’t provide on-site coverage at all road games and the Hawks are forced to have the minimum number of players on the roster. At least we have a quality blog that includes spele chck sotfweare.

Senor Basketball

March 8th, 2010
12:59 pm

All right, good point there, MsDee. I’ll concede.

Senor Basketball

March 8th, 2010
1:00 pm

… and as long as the Hawks spend enough money on talent, I’m cool. But then, I’m within 5 miles of Philips, so I don’t have quite the issues that AJ does.

MannyT

March 8th, 2010
1:09 pm

As for the zone problem, I suggest QUICK (not slow ISO post) dribble drive to seam of zone to attract 2 players and break down zone. The tricky part is someone has to make the right pass afterwards. Sounds like a job for Jamal or maybe Teague to initiate that kind of offense.

Astro,

Looking at the 2010-2011 season ticket prices, I think the Hawks are trying to load up on cash to expand that budget. Some seats have a 40% price increase…and they took away some benefits.

I think I’ll follow the MC model for next season and blog with you guys from the TV view.

BWAF

Melvin

March 8th, 2010
1:10 pm

Astro,

You are a funny dude…lol

doc

March 8th, 2010
1:15 pm

good ball movement? i havent seen that since about five or six games after they broke camp for the season. commented on just the same after the dallas loss. the knicks are not a good defensive team so it would be good for these guys get to see a zone and find out if they can crack it.

shame all woody can say is we got caught up thinking we had easy open shots. that is kind of what we laughed about last year as josh continued to get open looks from the field, uh, because the other teams knew they didnt have to cover him and actually wanted him to take those open shots. guys if it looks easy in the nba there is a reason for it.

doc

March 8th, 2010
1:19 pm

manny t i am very surprised at the increase. i was struggling with the idea of supporting the league after the ruling on the cavs game knowing the game is fixed, i can watch wwe at home if i want to. now, i am not so sure about renewing as are many around me.

jon

March 8th, 2010
1:28 pm

YOU CAN’T LOSE TO THE KNICKS…..

mountain_jim

March 8th, 2010
1:29 pm

Astro Joe, the way the AJC is hurting in the paper biz we are lucky they even managed to replace Sekou with MC, travel or no….

So let’s keep those page views coming folks! I used to buy the AJC every day, even bought both the AJ and the AC before the merger, but since moving out of state the online version is where its at for me.

chuckw/deadjournalist

March 8th, 2010
1:30 pm

zone, small guards, short bench, general malaise … since january, the league has caught-up to the hawks. for a month now, i’ve been waiting to see what adjustments the team will make to over come the above issues.

i’m still waiting.

with 20 games to go, the hawks should hit the 53 win target yours truly predicted before the season. but my optimism for a strong play-off run has all but evaporated. one-and-done seems to be the likely outcome.

with the exceptions of josh smith acting more as a facilitator, the hawks offense hasn’t evolved. they are too reliant on jamal crawford to carry them in the 4th quarter (he’s super-flip from last season). woodson isn’t using his young back-up point (like last year). he’s not using his vet. bigs (which he so desperately wanted last year).

are the hawks simply a remade version of their mid-’90’s selves? a team that can win 50; but really has no shot at advancing beyond the 1st round?

if so, what does this mean for next year?

terrell

March 8th, 2010
1:53 pm

I wouldnt be suprised if we lost to the lowly Knicks. Never know with this team. Better be glad Nate’s gone.

terrell

March 8th, 2010
1:54 pm

Toney Douglas or Sergio Rodriguez will have the best night of their career tonight. Bank on it.

terrell

March 8th, 2010
1:56 pm

Jon, we already lost to the Knicks. TWICE!

Luke M

March 8th, 2010
1:57 pm

Going to this one tonight. First time going to MSG, and only the second Hawks game I’ve seen all year (loss at N.O. in December). Super excited, but will remain cautiously optimistic given our problems vs. the zone.

At least Nate Robinson is no longer a Knick. He seemed to save his only good games for the Hawks.

O'Brien

March 8th, 2010
2:08 pm

MC,

If I’m not mistaken, there was a Knicks game earlier in the season (you weren’t here yet) where the Knicks went to a zone in the 4th, and the Hawks lost. After the game, Woody said “I guess the jump shots looked appetizing”. Unfortunately, we weren’t making them, but we continuted to take jump shot after jump shot.

After the Mavericks game, where the Hawks missed a lot of shots over the zone, Crawford’s response basically was that “if the Hawks played the Mavericks the next day, they would not miss those shots again”.

Well Mr. Crawford, if you are reading this, is it safe to assume that if you played Miami again, the team (especially JJ) would not miss those shots again?

Woody (and other bloggers) talk about how good the Hawks look when the ISO is working, and when jump shots are falling. But to be a good playoff team, you must have a plan B for when those things are not working. Unfortunately, Woody’s plan B is to try harder at plan A.

terrell, from the previous blog,

Except for Josh Smith, I’m waiting for one of the draft picks from the Hawks to overachieve (I dont include Horford, because we had high expectations from his as the consensus #3 pick). So far, we have Marvin, Chills, Shelden, Salim, Acie (the jury is out on Cenk and Gladyr). If our second round picks can continue to get better overseas, then they will become valuable assets for the Hawks down the road.

TheBark n' TheBite

March 8th, 2010
2:09 pm

Yep terrell u know somebody is gonna have a great game against the hawks 2nite.

ATLFan

March 8th, 2010
2:09 pm

So, Astro Joe, you want the Hawks to put 3 more players on the bench just so they can have the maximum? Damn, Woody doesn’t play half of their bench players as it is. Why pay for more “cheerleaders”?

northcyde

March 8th, 2010
2:11 pm

People act like you’re supposed to get lay-ups against a zone defense. You beat zone defenses by making shots . . period. If you get an open 15 – 18 footer vs a zone, you need to make that shot, to bring them out of it.

You CAN get lay-up opportunities from good ball movement or guard penetration, but that is going to be few and far between. in the end, you simply have to make shots.

But I guess people have forgotten that game already, but the reason why we had the 7 turnovers, is because we either tried to penetrate the zone ( Crawford ), or tried to make interior passes into it ( Smoove ).

You wanna beat a zone? Make your dang open jumpers.

Michael Cunningham

March 8th, 2010
2:15 pm

@AstroJoe: don’t worry, i will be at all playoff games and in fact all road games after this one. i didn’t make this trip because i had already scheduled the travel before the AJC and Hawks agreed to put me on team flights for trips the AJC hadn’t already approved.

@ Luke M: have fun. i’m disappointed to miss this one because MSG is my favorite arena.

@O’Brien: i saw your inclusion of the Knicks game. i went back and checked the stories from back then and didn’t see the zone specifically addressed by Woody or any of the players so i didn’t have anything to go on to include it. not saying you are wrong, just that i couldn’t find anything with a search so i left it out.

re: Jamal . . . he says my blog people misconstrued that quote. says he wasn’t referring to long jump shots but rather some of the shorter shots the Hawks missed late in that game.

Rock Preston

March 8th, 2010
2:18 pm

Woodson isnt a complete NBA coach. He is a defensive assistant coach..Nothing else. His shortcomings have been on display for a while now and Sund has no choice but to let this cat go after this season. No one on this blog will cry…Get on the next thing smoking Woody!!! I will help u get the ticket cuz!

ATLFan

March 8th, 2010
2:20 pm

Anyone who thinks the Hawks are better this season than last, imagine if they had the same number of missed games as last season. They have been almost injury-free. They should be better, with Crawford and a vastly improved bench, but Woody doesn’t give the bench meaningful minutes. Woody’s done a good job over the years, but the better the Hawks get, the more his weaknesses are exposed. If you swapped the coaches when Golden State came to town Friday, Nelson’s Hawks would win that game by 30 pts. Woody is a good teacher, but a terrible sideline coach.

Ramon

March 8th, 2010
2:25 pm

Northcyde, I agree. The only way to consistently beat a zone is by making shots, not by penetrating. Its hard to penetrate against a zone because the defender is in perfect position to draw a charge consistently. If 7 years ago the US national team couldn’t beat a zone when they had 3 of the best point guards in the league on the team, how can you expect Bibby to do it.

bigdave

March 8th, 2010
2:38 pm

overload one side of the zone… attack the gaps in the zone… feed the ball vertically… push the ball up the floor..

see these concepts of beating a zone defense require creativity… ya know, just in case guys are hitting shots be it legs or just an off shooting night. you cant just expect shots to drop, or guys to eventually make shots especially when the game is on the line. so you counter there defensive strategy…

late costly turnovers… Woodson going to Crawford to QB the offense yields these types of results.. but hey, maybe he was in the game to shoot us out of the zone (which he almost did on prayers). vs going to a PG who can make PG like decisions and even penetrate gaps and look to dish..

bigdave

March 8th, 2010
2:39 pm

*their defensive strategy…

northcyde

March 8th, 2010
2:39 pm

It’s just like if you have a team playing you man to man, and you have people on your squad who can score against it. You tell those guys to do their thing, preferably by telling them to take the ball to the basket, because there isn’t likely going to be someone rotating over to you fast enough to stop your shot.

Even when you’re talking about penetrating and dishing into a zone, the PG is usually throwing the pass out to an open shooter. It’s then up to the shooter to make the shot ( ala what Ray Allen did yesterday in the Boston game ). So no matter how the ball moves or who is penetrating, if you’re getting an open look, you have to knock that shot down on the NBA level.

Some of you guys in ATL who get every game, and are good with video editing, need to start to DVR these games, and post them on youtube or something. Or simply post key segments in the game. While showing the entire game may be against NBA broadcast rules, editing video down to show ONLY the Hawks offensive possessions ( say, in the 4th quarter ), should be perfectly legal to do. I’m surprised some of the hardcore fans aren’t doing this already.

Mr. Cunningham, how about you DVR tonight’s game since you’re not making the trip, and break down key moments in that game ( whether they be positive or negative ). I used to do that for the people at Hawksquawk ( via transcript of what I saw ) a few years back, especially when people were bagging on Marvin for everything. The review of the video showed that Marvin wasn’t nearly as bad or detrimental to the team, as people thought.

I think a lot of people simply don’t see what is going on all the time at first look. When you review these games, and stop and rewatch a certain part to see what a player or the team are doing, you’ll see things that you don’t see in a live viewing.

But with me being in Tennessee, I don’t get to see every game on TV. I have to watch quite a few games via the net. I can’t get the FSN South games in Tennessee, so I’ll have to watch via the net. Otherwise, I’d definitely do this.

Senor Basketball

March 8th, 2010
2:45 pm

Here’s how you beat the zone (assuming a 2-3) with the Hawks’ personnel: plant Josh Smith at the free throw line (where there’s a hole), and if the defense hesitates, let him throw it down; if they don’t hesitate and instead collapse (much more likely), let him pass to the open man, hopefully a cutter to the basket. Easy as pie. Do that a few times, and the zone D is over.

Instead, our guys pull a one-on-one move on the one guy guarding on the perimeter and launch it. That’s symptomatic of the iso-Joe (or whoever) approach– when a team is used to relying on one-on-one play up top and spreading the floor, that’s what they naturally do, and the only open shot against the zone playing one-on-one basketball is the perimeter J. Usually taken by a player whose name starts with J and, usually, in the Hawks’ case, JJ.

The Truth

March 8th, 2010
2:55 pm

To be more specific, you beat a zone with ball movement and taking good shots. Also if our PG would push the ball and attack the basket in transition, the defense would not have time to set the zone. However, if you look at our 4th quarter line-up with Bibby as PG, it is easy to understand how we are losing these close games. Compare what Miami did down the stretch vs. what we did. Wade attacked almost every possession and either made shots or drew fouls. We however walked the ball into our half-court set and took long jumpers (because that was only thing available against their zone) or we experimented with Josh as a point forward (are you kidding me?). If the shots are falling then we are not having this conversation but they weren’t. You would think after the first failed attempt, Woody would have called a time-out and made adjustments. But he did not, so we went through 3-4 possessions where we failed to score. This is a blueprint for beating the Hawks. Bibby as PG walking the ball in transition and shying from attacking the basket while our shooters are choking make us vulnerable to the zone.

bigdave

March 8th, 2010
2:55 pm

Senor Basketball…

exactly… you get that ball moving vertically in the middle of the zone… they run that 2-3 Jim Boeheim edition on us all day. ive never seen him get the ball to Josh in the middle and let him use his passing abilities… if you cut, slash.. whatever to the gaps of that defense.. 2 defenders will have to slide and commit to covering only one offensive player creating openings in the spots vacated by the defenders.

NBA teams do not practice much zone defense and are susceptible. it is not the primary defense of most teams… you show that you can score on it they will go away from it. however, trust me if you just sit out there and shoot til you hit they will stay in it all night long. the reason they go to it anyway is b/c they believe you are not a good shooting team and will live w/ you shooting from the perimeter all day…

i didnt even see much of Marvin in the game.. zone defense will get you killed on the offensive glass…

jon

March 8th, 2010
2:56 pm

Terrell, I know we’ve lost twice but at this point of the year, you just can’t lose to them, hell they lost to the Nets at home Sat. If we lose tonight,I’m done!

Marcus

March 8th, 2010
2:57 pm

With Toney Douglass (minus l’il Nate) between the speedy Gs and possible zone defense sighting, its like a double-dose of the Hawks kryptonite.

L, on the next homestand, hire out a local, non-March Madness qualifying collegiate team to run a scrimmage to get extensive practice vs. a zone defense. I would still guess that colleges use them more predominantly (and successfully) than pros, so if you need a look just to get re-acclimated ….. do what you gotta do!

Marcus

March 8th, 2010
2:58 pm

I think in one of the earlier NYK games this year, T. Douglass lit us up for 20+ …. get a check on him.

northcyde

March 8th, 2010
3:10 pm

from Ramon:

Northcyde, I agree. The only way to consistently beat a zone is by making shots, not by penetrating. Its hard to penetrate against a zone because the defender is in perfect position to draw a charge consistently. If 7 years ago the US national team couldn’t beat a zone when they had 3 of the best point guards in the league on the team, how can you expect Bibby to do it.

EXCELLENT POST.

The troubles the 2004 Olympic team had is a PERFECT example. We had a team with a bunch of slashers and power forwards, and guards who were known for their penetration and shot making . . . but no real good outside shooters from 20 feet out.

So the foreign teams went to zone, to nullify the effects of guys like Duncan and Amare ( who would kill them ) and force the guards like Wade, Iverson, Marbury and Lebron to shoot from the outside, instead of seeing them go the the rim at will. Larry Brown had the one shooter on that team ( Carmelo Anthony ), in his doghouse, because he wasn’t giving defensive effort. That drama affected his shotmaking, and the rest is history.

4 years later, you see the US scrambling to stockpile the team with shotmakers and pure shooters. Carmelo, all of a sudden, is like the go-to shooter on the team. Michael Redd is added. Kobe, the best shotmaker in the world, is added. Jason Kidd returns. A jumpshooting big man in Bosh is added. It also helped that the jumpshots of both Wade and Lebron improved significantly from 2004 to 2008.

Matter of fact, the only “pure” bigs on that squad were Howard and Boozer.

So when it comes to us, when a team goes zone, it’s up to JJ, Crawford, and Bibby to bring them out of it . . . with their shotmaking. Horford could be a part of that zone busting group as well, if he makes a point to catch and shoot when he gets the ball in that 12 – 15 feet area. If he tries to back people down, he’ll have an extra man rotating over to him immeadiately in a zone.

With the Dallas game that people like to cite, look at the 4th quarter and OT shooting from outside of 15 feet:

JJ went 0 – 6
Crawford went 0 – 6
Bibby went 2 – 4
Horford went 0 – 2

That’s 18 long midrange or l3 point shots we took against the zone. More than half were wide open shots. But we only made 2 out of 18 of those shots.

Two.

If we make a mere 6 out of 18 . . we win that game. If we make the league average of 7 out of 18 . . we definitely win the game.

Bottom line is that our shooters CAN’T miss open shots. Not at that rate. No matter how easy or simplistic that sounds, that’s what it’s all about. Forcing the ball inside, into the heart of the defense, will only cause turnovers ( like what it did in Miami ).

Guys like JJ, Crawford, Bibby, and Marvin ( if he’s in the game ), have to concentrate enough to knock down those shots.

When other teams beat us, that’s what they’re doing. Knocking down shots.

northcyde

March 8th, 2010
3:14 pm

Like I said . . the DVR recorders need to be set tonight, so that some of you can really look and see what is going on. If a guy is getting a wide open 17 foot jumper, and it’s JJ, Bibby, or Crawford taking that shot, you have to consider that being a “good shot”.

So if they don’t make that shot . . we’re not going to win the game anyway.

O'Brien

March 8th, 2010
3:16 pm

northcyde,

“Bottom line is that our shooters CAN’T miss open shots.”

Do you think fatigue has anything to do with them missing those shots?

MsDee

March 8th, 2010
3:29 pm

There was no reason for Teague to not play at all against the Heat and Joe Smith was perfect from the field..why didnt he get back in the game to rest the starters?? They were very tired from the game b4 but Woody did nothing to help the situation..

bigdave

March 8th, 2010
3:31 pm

bottom line is you’re gonna see more teams go to a zone against us late in games… regardless the teams size or score…

zone defense takes away 2 of our strengths or should i say staples of our offense late in games… the iso and the pic and roll… if we are patient enough to find open men teams will run the risk of letting our 3 shooters (all we have) take shots on tired legs. we struggle making open shots vs normal defensive strategies… or finding an consistent hot hand. hopefully we are lucky enough to have one of our 3 shooters being the man open. trust and believe teams will develop an Atlanta Hawks matchup zone and will force a lets say, not so gifted shooter to beat them… its a shame that we cant just implement a zone breaker offense and be more pro-active then the traditional reactive approach our simple minded head coach encourages. bottom line is we might be one of the easiest teams to prepare for.. you know what you’re gonna see on both sides of the ball night end and out from the Atlanta Hawks, in my opinion the system nor the talent is not that good/dominant to just impose our will. which is why we struggle in a series format.

my hats off to our players… cause boy do they work hard. its like the 7 offensive players out there on defense…6 defenders when we have the rock… never has once our head coach made it easy on our players..

northcyde

March 8th, 2010
3:34 pm

So who do you put in O’Brien?

Teague? Who can’t make an open jumper and can’t finish in traffic when he goes to the hole.

Mo Evans? Who can knock down the open jumper, he just hasn’t done it with any sort of consistency this year.

Zaza? He can’t make a jumper nor finish at the rim. It’s embarrassing to see how many point blank lay-ups he misses.

Mario West? Who in his entire career has made 3 . . count them . . THREE JUMPSHOTS in his career.

Joe Smith? Who can make the midrange jumper at a higher rate than Smoove, but isn’t worth taking Smoove out of the game.

O’Brien . . if those bench guys could come in and “hold the fort” while our starters rested, then you could afford to play them more. But if they keep getting outplayed, the starters have to play. So, tired or not, we pretty much have no choice but to live and die with our starters.

The 5 year trend with the Hawks, even this year, is that when JJ goes out of a game, even for a 3 minute stretch, 75% of the time this team falls completely apart. Those are just facts. You can go back through the Hawks box scores, and see how many times our fringe bench players have put up negative +/- numbers.

If those guys played more, we’d have less wins and more losses. Until they start playing better, you can’t extend their minutes.

It simply is what it is.

Nacho

March 8th, 2010
3:36 pm

It really is not hard for opposing coaches to outsmart Woody.

Woody does not use his bench properly, his starters have tired legs in the 4th quarter. Tired legs do not shoot from the outside very well. Zone defenses requires good shooting.

The verdict is an ATL loss.

Woody is being exposed.

Melvin

March 8th, 2010
3:36 pm

MC,

Since Jamal seem to be a regular follower of your blog. I wonder if you and him would consider doing an Q&A session where we (bloggers) could ask him questions. He seems to be a very down to earth guy that would enjoy chatting with the fans (well maybe except Astro Joe,he he)….

northcyde

March 8th, 2010
3:37 pm

LOL . . I hate to keep bagging on the bench, but some of you act like we have high quality bench players on this team. I still say that the guys we have on our team 7 through 10, could NOT get any sort of playing time on any of the current playoff teams. Guys like Zaza, Evans, Teague, and Joe Smith would be wasting away on the benches of other teams. Zaza’s play is probably the most disappointing out of all of those guys.

The Truth

March 8th, 2010
3:38 pm

northcyde

It’s not just the Hawks are missing shots in the zone that is leading to loses. The opposing team is also capitalizing on those missed shots and scoring. They are attacking our defense and scoring at will. Teams can easily make-up a deficient against the Hawks during crunch time. So this is not just about our offense struggles against a zone but also our aweful defense as well.

KevinA

March 8th, 2010
3:47 pm

KevinA

March 6th, 2010
7:24 pm
Last game against Miami

Marvin 3-11
JJ 7-21
Bibby 4-11

Josh 7-14
Al 4-7

Al 4-7? With Jamal and ZaZa out Al with 4-7? Give the kid his 15 attempts.

Marvin 0-3
JJ 8-23
Bibby 2-4
Jamal 7-14

Josh 7-17
Al 3-6

In this game O”neil goes out and we still can’t find a way to get the ball to Al. In the second half Al gets 2 shots? Al comes back into the game with 8:42 left in the 4th qt and never gets another attempt. Is this a way to treat an All-Star?

In the first half the bigs got their shots with contributions from Al, Josh and Joe Smith. In the second half we went to Josh, the guards and basically no one else. We lost our balance.

JeJe

March 8th, 2010
3:53 pm

THE HAWKS ARE HEALTHY AND HAVE BEEN VIRTUALLY HEALTHY ALL YEAR. THE CELTICS AND CAVS AND MAGIC HAVE DEALT WITH PAINFUL INJURIES, AND ALL 3 TEAMS ARE BETTER THAN US IN THE STANDINGS AND IN PERSONNEL.

WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ALL, HAWKS FANS?

O'Brien

March 8th, 2010
4:00 pm

northcyde,

I agree that our bench is weak. But I think Woody needs to find time early in the game for them, and that will help our starters to be fresh in the 4th. Plus I think the more consistent PT our bench gets, is the better they will become.

When he puts his bench players in, the starters will be fresh in the 4th, ans that will give us a better chance of finishing strong down the stretch. What happens now is he overplays his starters, and then they struggle in the 4th, partly because they’re tired.

I would rather have fresh starters in the 4th. Tired legs lead to missed shots, lazy passes, slow defensive rotations, and bad decision making.

Woody has to figure out how to mix and match bench players with starters, so we dont have 4 or 5 bench players in the game at a time.

KevinA

March 8th, 2010
4:00 pm

ZaZa – your talking about ZaZa? The Hawks had the lead at the half and ZaZa did nothing but rebound. Never missed a shot because he did not get one. Wade took over the third qt and Wade and Beasley out played us the 4th qt. Was ZaZa the one guarding them? He had 8 rebounds in 14 min. ZaZa did his job.