Hawks Squawks: Heat 100, Hawks 94

Wade soared past the Hawks for 38 points. (AP Photo/Lynne Sladky)

Wade soared past the Hawks for 38 points. (AP Photo/Lynne Sladky)

Miami–A D-Wade surge in the third, a couple bad possessions, a Michael Beasley eruption . . . just like that, the Hawks lost a game they once controlled. They can’t let road games slip away like this if they really want to win the Southeast.

Josh and Jamal both tried to throw passes into the teeth of the Heat’s zone. “We had too many turnovers,” Woody said. “Blind passes when nothing was there. They capitalized on it.”

– The Hawks had seven of their 13 turnovers in the fourth quarter and made just 6 of 20 shots in the period. Once again they appeared baffled against a zone defense. “I can’t fault the effort,” Woody said. “The effort was great. We got the tempo the way we wanted it. But then their zone slowed us down.”

– Wade went off with 14 points in the third quarter, energizing his teammates and the fans. The Hawks controlled him in the fourth but then Beasley took over with 14 points on 6 of 7 shooting and a key steal. “We tried to post Smoove from the backside of the zone but Beasley did a hell of a job in getting to the spot,” Woody said.

– Beasley had seven straight points as the Heat turned a 92-91 deficit into a 98-92 lead. “We know he is capable of doing that,” Al said. “He was able to get two good looks from the corner. Wade had it going at that time so we thought we would get it out of his hands.”

– Beasley’s 3-pointer with 46.8 seconds to play was the dagger. “Honestly when it left my hand it didn’t feel too good,” he said.

– The Hawks still had a chance when they were down 98-94 and Carlos Arroyo missed a jumper. But Udonis Haslem rebounded. “That was pretty much the game,” Woody said.

J.J. missed 12 of 15 shots in the second half after making 5 of 8 in the first. A tight deadline didn’t allow me to wait around and ask him if he still felt ill tonight.

Joe Smith took a shot to the nose and didn’t return to the game. He still was available to play but Woody didn’t use him in the second half after he had eight points and made 3 of 3 shots in seven minutes of the first. He helped the Hawks bench players outscore the Heat reserves 20-10 in the first half.

– The game was delayed for several minutes at the start of the fourth quarter due to scoreboard and clock malfunctions. At first the operator couldn’t take a point away from the Heat’s tally after a 3-pointer was changed to a 2. Then the clock didn’t start to begin the half.

– “Both teams had an opportunity to rest,” Woody said. “That had no effect on what happened.”

– Smoove wasn’t so sure. “It let ‘D Wade’ get a longer rest and we didn’t want that to happen. They know what they was doing. They’ve been working at that scorer’s table for years and they don’t know how to count it down? It’s a smart move by them, though. Maybe we should try that.”

– I’m out, Hawks fans.

MC

142 comments Add your comment

Green Tinted Sixties Mind

March 6th, 2010
11:47 pm

These fourth quarter meltdowns are troubling

Najeh Davenpoop

March 7th, 2010
12:05 am

MC, please ask Woodson what he plans to do about the zone problem. Until the Hawks show they can beat a zone, every good team will throw one at them, and it will result in the same thing every time.

BONE

March 7th, 2010
12:14 am

hawks suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck assssssssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i think its time to rebuild this team from the ground up around teauge and a new coach

O'Brien

March 7th, 2010
12:18 am

Najeh,

The Hawks still havent figured out this zone. If my memory is correct, they lost to the Knicks when they went to a zone, they lost to Miami who played some zone, and they lost to the Mavericks when they went zone. Woody needs to figure out how to beat the zone, and then the players must be able to execute.

And when will Woody give a s#*t about the offense?

The Hawks had 17 points in the 4th quarter tonight. That makes 12 games this season where the Hawks have scored 19 points or less in the 4th quarter. In those games, they are 2-10.

Grandad

March 7th, 2010
12:28 am

4th qtr. = tired legs.
heavy min./starters = tired legs
trying to shoot over zone with tired legs
having trouble with zone with tired legs
getting late in season = tired legs
too many min./Joe = tired legs
refusal to use bench = tired legs
going into play-offs with tired legs
sh.% vs. Miami, by qtr. 1st-50+/2nd-40+/3rd-30+/4th-20+ = :
tired, tireder, more tired, tiredest legs !

I’m tired !

chuck

March 7th, 2010
12:35 am

Woody will never take this team or any team to the conference finals. He doesn’t have a clue how to rest his guys for the long season. It will only get worse as these young guys get older.

Scoop

March 7th, 2010
12:54 am

This game is a prime example of Woodson’s philosophy. It’s all about the short term. He goes from game to game.
What does he do when Joe is having flu like symptoms, he plays him 37 min and 42 min on back-to-back nights!!!!!!
What does he do with Smoove on the same back-to-back, he runs him into the ground playing an astounding 45 min and 40 min!!!!!!
There is a reason this team is struggling in the 4th quarter and its simply because of fatigue. Consistently, Woodson refuses to use his bench in the 2nd half and its cost the Hawks over and over again, but not just those specific games, also the ones that follow when our starters have no legs to play.
Another thing is I feel like were struggling against team with quickness at the guard spot. Woodson constantly puts Joe onto Rose, Curry, Wade, and either they’re able to penetrate into the lane or our center switches onto the guard from a pick and roll. I would advocate giving Mo Evans more PT and NOT putting him on the SF like Woodson usually does, but let him use his best asset which is his defensive quickness on the perimeter.

Hawks v Heat

March 7th, 2010
1:06 am

On some nights, it truly is hard to tell if losing Joe is a bad thing … or a good. I guess it would depend on how his replacement either does, meaning new guy, or steps up (someone already on the team)

RA

March 7th, 2010
1:07 am

First off, the Hawks were on the business end of a back to back. Secondly, they had won four in a row, and thirdly, and probably most importantly, Dewayne Wade. And before you jump too far down Woody’s throat for losing to Miami in Miami, try and remember that Phil Jackson, possibly the greatest playoff coach in the history of the game didn’t fair any better two nights ago.

hock

March 7th, 2010
1:37 am

Mr. Invisible, Marvin Williams is back after two, rare good games.

Big Ray

March 7th, 2010
1:38 am

Yack. Tough game. Coaching did play a part, but it was a tough game in which a couple of turnovers (back-to-back) gave the Heat all they needed to win.

The Heat didn’t win this game. We lost it by making a few mistakes.

Anyway, I knew the Boo Birds (fake fans, you know who you are) would show up after a loss. It’s the only time you can count on them.

David Smith

March 7th, 2010
1:54 am

Woody will never prosper as a coach until he learns how to use his players effectively. You cannot win games using only a seven man rotation hoping that they will stem the tide of an opposing offense. I hope Sund is taking note of losses like this one where our starters ran out of gas because of their coach’s inability to realize the importance of having role players to give energy off the bench.

BONE

March 7th, 2010
2:52 am

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck these bum hawks

TheAntiMe

March 7th, 2010
2:57 am

Do the Hawks not have any coaching, at all, in practice to teach them how to break down a zone defense? It’s like they totally haven’t a clue what to do when they see the zone D.

Just Saying

March 7th, 2010
2:58 am

Hawks will be ousted second round of playoffs (maybe first).

No coach. No consistency. No heart.

Grandad

March 7th, 2010
3:24 am

Big Ray – you’re absolutely correct. Coaching did not play a part.
When we needed a coach, we didn’t have one, and he didn’t play a part.

Scoop – We have a quick pt. guard,*[DNPCD].
*[did not play coach's decision]

hock – Marv appeared to inj. ankle or foot early. Had the
sound down on TV and did not hear what they said.
Hardly played in the 4th qtr. Only took 3 shots. PT limited.
Marv is not the reason we lost tonight!

H v H – You may be unhappy with Joe but who are you gonna replace
him with. It’s been discussed ad nauseam, but we cannot pay anyone, anywhere near his talent to replace him. (CBA)
Besides, they say he’s sick. Played roughly 80 min. with flu-like
symptoms, last two games, back to back. If true, I sure hope they gave him an IV. Our future is ‘right’ now (please pardon the cliche).
We need to add pieces, not lose cornerstones [Joe]!

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 7th, 2010
3:26 am

all stars Marvin and Bibby = 12pts combined

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 7th, 2010
3:29 am

im so glad i was out and about and didnt stay home and watch the Hawks lose to a team in a struggle to just make the playoffs in the east.

All-Star Kobelite Johnson = 3-15 in the second half??? The Assassin!!!

E43

March 7th, 2010
3:42 am

in 08-09 The hawks were 3-1 with Mario West as a starter. and 18-7 with mo Evans as a starter giving them a 21-8 record. i know i haven’t included zazas starts but 21-8 is pretty good.
I think the hawks should try benching one starter per game until all the starters have had a day of rest and all the 2nd stringers have had a day of action. we know 2nd stringers don’t see action in the 4th quarter anyway and woody will do tons of experiments with the rotation so why not?

Clyde

March 7th, 2010
4:02 am

What’s the excuse tonight Woody?

thomas22

March 7th, 2010
6:43 am

All of you that are posting on this blog-where were you Fri night/Sat morning when we won a game?

You are fake fans-get yourself another team/blog and complain there….

Yes- the Hawks let another one get away, but another team (Lakers) lost to Miami at home as well recently.

Coach W-we need a remedy against the zone…………..

Marcus

March 7th, 2010
7:25 am

Heard Marvin Williams got injured .. to what extent?
I assume his absence impacted the rotation. I see Mo got 4 fouls and was wondering why we were playing what looked like a small lineup when they had some bigs in there. Now, it sounds like both Marvin and Joe Smith were dinged up.

"Now You Know" Nation

March 7th, 2010
7:50 am

When the Hawks lose to average and above teams, those loses are completely offset by victories against teams of the bottom of the pile.

You guys are fake fans. Obviously, beating teams like philly and golden st. proves that we will be successful in the playoffs and deserves high praises. Those wins are much more telling about us as a team and they make you completely forget about road loses to a squad like Miami.

Sincerely,
-Real Hawks Fans

"Now You Know" Nation

March 7th, 2010
7:53 am

Who cares about contending for a title? As long as we make the playoffs it’s fine.

Woodson has increased this teams’ wins in each of his seasons.

Woodson=COY

Sincerely,
-Real Hawks Fans

delo

March 7th, 2010
8:08 am

the hawks are tired. they need some help from their bench because these last two seasons have been long and hard on the starters. their bodies are beginning to wear down. let the reserves get some playing time. this late in the season and on back to back nights you would think the coach would utilize all his players

"Now You Know" Nation

March 7th, 2010
8:14 am

Mike Bibby = Former All Star
Horford = All Star
JJ = All Star
J-Smoove = Should Have Been An All Star
Marvin = All Star potential

this is the team to beat this year in the NBA. An all star starting 5.

Sincerely,

-Real Hawks Fans

"Now You Know" Nation

March 7th, 2010
8:17 am

delo, please remove yourself from this blog. If everything you say isnt complete worship of this talented, young, and most athletic team in the league, then you’re a fake fan.

Sincerely,

-Real Hawks Fans

Benjamin

March 7th, 2010
8:54 am

Tough loss, guys, but seriously, the “Hawks suck ass” routine needs to be reconsidered. We all remember when the Hawks “sucked ass.” These guys have been at or near the top of Eastern Conference standings all year long. If you want to return to the days of Shareef Abdur Rahim, then be my guest. Teams that sweep Boston in a season series and contend with the Magic for a division title need to be looked at a little more honestly/wisely.

Tomorrow’s a new day, and we’ve gradually improved every year now for several seasons to the point of being on the doorstep of a division/conference contender status. Don’t prove all the Atlanta fan critics right by logging in with such idiotic remarks.

HAWKSFANFOREVER

March 7th, 2010
9:01 am

Ok i love the absoluteley a great team with talent, but sometimes they just don’t show it. I mean in games they always let oppsing team catch up them, and win. I think the people who critizied the hawks are wrong, but I argue with them. It seems like they just may be right if they don’t them their pontential. We need face it we don’t have halfcourt offensse, but we need it. We can’t just go one on one all the time. At the end of games teams are going to shutdown Joe by doubling or trippling teaming him so have hafcourt offense that can play through that tough zone. Our defesne is pretty good, but play it the whole 48 minutes. We need to prove to all critics, haters, fans, and all the player in the nba that we are the team that’s going to put up a fight, and aint winning without a battle.

"Now You Know" Nation

March 7th, 2010
9:01 am

I agree with we Benjamin, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with this team. All they need is support and faith. Woody and the crew will being us a title this year.

Sincerely,

-Real Hawks Fans

HAWKSFANFOREVER

March 7th, 2010
9:04 am

I mean to me Miami is an ok team, but everything is built around Dwayne Wade. The hawks is a GREAT team that know that they should of beat Miami last night.

ATLFan

March 7th, 2010
9:08 am

I hardly ever blame Woody, this this loss is on him. No other NBA coach abuses starters like Woody. You know Josh, Al, and Joe had to be weak-kneed by all the minutes of Fri and Sat nites, yet he kept them on the court on and on and on. Woody had no answers in the wanning minutes, as usual. When’s the last time anyone saw him draw up a play and it (other than a lob to Josh) and it work?

Section 303

March 7th, 2010
9:16 am

I hate losing to Miami. Can’t stand Wade. As much as I love Joe Johnson, I do not understand how he is nowhere to be found in some games. If he is going to be the highest paid guy on the team, he has to show up, at least a little, in clutch situations. I love him, but he does deserve to take a little heat for the sorry 2nd half last night. I understand no one (not even ESPN’s heros Kobe, LeBron, and Wade) can be the star every night. Can’t just disappear, though.

Sorry D, by both teams late. Hawks just missed open shot, after open shot (looking in Joe’s direction here). Should not have lost, but these sky is falling posts need to stop. I’m p#ssed about the loss, too, but quit acting like the season is over just because you are in the middle of a temper tantrum.

Team is fine, but I’m not so sure these next few games will produce a lot of wins. The games are against lesser opponets, but a lot are on the road. Frankly, the Hawks still do not have the maturity to win a lot of road games. Will be happy if they can split the next 8 games, or so. That is about the best we can hope for.

ken

March 7th, 2010
9:21 am

It is just so fustrating to see coach Woodson continue to make the same mistake over and over with not trusting his bench. JJ was severly tired last night especially in the final 5 minutes. I don’t expect the Hawks to win every game but please stop losing these types of games in the same way because you refuse to learn from your coaching mistakes. As a fan watching the games you can just see it coming because the ball stops moving and its jump shot after jumpshot . Why can’t we change our strategy especially when its so obvious to other teams how to shut us down when the games on the line ?

Josh Fedor

March 7th, 2010
9:23 am

Yes, you’re right about the below. But you have a knucklehead coach running the ship into the ground!

======================================================
Mike Bibby = Former All Star
Horford = All Star
JJ = All Star
J-Smoove = Should Have Been An All Star
Marvin = All Star potential

this is the team to beat this year in the NBA. An all star starting 5.

Hawk n the Ham

March 7th, 2010
9:24 am

Woody can’t keep saying, “the offense will take care of itself”, when the offense goes dead whenever the other team goes to zone. There is a problem there Woody, earn your money and create some offense.

Go Hawks!

Hawk n the Ham

March 7th, 2010
9:34 am

And, if you can’t pass inside the zone, put the ball in the hands of Teague or Crawford, and have them penetrate inside. Go for the foul, or work inside out from penetrating.

But then again, you would need to have someone at PG on the floor that has the speed and handles to penetrate from the dribble. How many minutes did Teague play last night? Anyone? Anyone?

Sautee

March 7th, 2010
10:08 am

Bibby has been a good player in the league, but he has NEVER been an All-Star.

Look it up.

niremetal

March 7th, 2010
10:40 am

Bibby shoulda been an All-Star a few times back in Sac-town (esp ‘04-’05, where he led an aging and injury-ravaged Kings squad to 50 wins). But yeah, he’s never actually gone. Commentators used to say that he was the best player in the game to never have an All-Star appearance…pretty dubious distinction, if you ask me.

ProudTechFan

March 7th, 2010
10:51 am

i love the reactions after a loss, its classic. get rid of Joe, get rid of Bibby, get rid of Marvin, blah blah blah, someone even mentioned to start from scratch and build the team around Teague. I like Teague but e not ready to take over a team. Trust you build the team around Josh, Joe and Al, Woody can handle it, its just a loss. Its frustrating, dont get me wrong, but its not the end of the world. THE ATLANTA HAWKS ARE 3RD IN THE EAST. lets not ever forget how far this team has come.

one last thing, getting rid of Joe is not the answer, he will consistently be an allstar and will help this team get over the hump. yea he;s not Kobe, Lebron or Wade, but they are in a league of there own. I promise there are a boat load of teams that would love to have Joe. Be careful what you wish for hawks fans, you just might get it. And i have no interest in being the laughing stock of the league again.

I love the Hawks, but . .

March 7th, 2010
11:02 am

What do Dwight Howard, Kevin Durant, Dwayne Wade, Lebron James, & Kobe Bryant have in common . . .they’re teams have dominated the Hawks this season beating us in 11 out of 12 games.

They’ve averaged 27.4 pts against us, which suggests were doing OK defending them, but they’re also creating opportunites for their teammates.

On a positve note, we only play the above 4 more times this season & 3 of the 4 at home. Which means we have a legitimate shot at 50 wins.

Jose

March 7th, 2010
11:02 am

I am looking for a kind word to use. A team that loses when you expect to win and wins when you expect to lose. I N C O N S I S T E N T !!!!

also. . .

March 7th, 2010
11:05 am

Je Je had it dead on yesterday. Woody could have spread out some bench minutes against GS & we still would have won, & then maybe Joe wouldn’t have gone 0-for in the 4th against the Heat.

Jose

March 7th, 2010
11:10 am

ProudTechFan, they are 4th in the East and may as well settle there. Have you seen our schedule going forward? Boston seems to be have an easier schedule. We may have to keep praying for our Hawks. But again, nobody guarantees that we will make it to the 2nd round come playoffs. I N C O N S I S T E N T !!!!

Philly Fan

March 7th, 2010
11:13 am

wow, this blog is amazing. I’m from the Northeast, Philly to be exact, and the vast majority of you Hawks fans are way too soft. You act like “team moms” for little league baseball teams.

In places like Boston, Philly, and NYC, we keep a foot in the backside of our players, teams, and organizations, regardless of W-L records or how well they are playing if they arent appearing to be championship caliber. This is just very tough love. The region demands championship caliber play much more than you guys, and WE GET it. (atleast from one of the pro sports..if not more)

When guys are hard on the Hawks around here, a crowd of “team mom” type of dudes gang up and say they arent real fans. You dudes should stop being so soft around here and expect more from your teams and organizations and demand better!!

Hawks73

March 7th, 2010
11:18 am

Who would have ever thought that a PROFESSIONAL basketball team would be undone by a ZONE defense. Is that coaching or what?

Sautee

March 7th, 2010
11:22 am

How’s that “tough love” for the Sixers working out?

jerrywest

March 7th, 2010
11:22 am

Bibby played the entire 4th without a point, assist or rebound.

Did we play 4 on 5 in the 4th quarter?

northcyde

March 7th, 2010
11:30 am

LOL @ the typical knee-jerk reaction posts. So typical after a loss.

All I know is that when your star player misses 12 of 15 2nd half shots . . . and all 6 of his 4th quarter shots . . you’re probably going to lose.

I’ll say it once and I’ll say it again. Teams go zone to take away the inside, and force you to beat them from the perimeter. You still have to try to go inside, but you also need to make open shots, especially the wide open ones.

Most of our 4th quarter turnovers resulted from trying to get the ball inside to Horford. But we simply can’t miss wide open jumpers in a situation like that. Against a zone, you attack the open spots, which are usually seams down the middle, on the wings, and along the baseline. When the ball is moved around, and a player gets the ball in one of those open areas, he has to take advantage of the opportunity. We didn’t, so we lost.

This team, as a whole, has been a streaky jumpshooting team all year though. As much as I give JJ props, I’ll also place blame on him for that 4th quarter effort. He’s our shooter, and our shooter has to make shots, Smoove’s turnovers didn’t help one bit either. But in the end, JJ has to make those open shots.

He always makes up for it, so I’m not concerned about him. But on a night like tonight, he just can’t go 2 – 11 from three when he’s getting wide open looks. If he goes a mere 4 – 11 from 3, ( especially if he hits the early 3s in that quarter ), we probably win that game.

Beasley and Arroyo made shots at the end. We didn’t. So we lose.

The Hawks have to discuss the game sometime today, and maybe guys like JJ and Marvin may want to take some extra shots during the day today or tomorrow. Then you wipe the game from the memory bank, and prepare to play the Knicks tomorrow night.

That’s life in the NBA.

Hawk n the Ham

March 7th, 2010
11:31 am

How’s that “tough love” for the Knicks working out?

How’s that “tough love” for the Nets working out?