Not the Real MC: Hawks Squawks: Hawks 112, Sixers 93

1. You know him, you love him, you call for him to be traded – Marvin had a second strong game in a row.

Some Marvin-centric chatter:

Al Horford: “Everybody goes through struggles. It feels good to see Marvin be Marvin. Hopefully, he keeps this level of intensity up.” (Al has the gift of being able to pump up his teammates while not going overboard.)

Mike Woodson: “He’s had two solid games and we need Marvin to play that way. It takes so much pressure off of everybody when he’s scoring and rebounding the ball and defending like he was defending tonight. It’s nice to see. I’ve just got to push him to continue to play that way.”

From the man of the hour: “I’m trying to play with energy, trying to stay active. I think when I stay active, especially when I’m rebounding the basketball, I do a lot better personally and I help the team.”

2. Louis Williams lit up the Hawks. He made his first 10 attempts and finished with 30 points. I don’t know if you all care much for local players – Jodie Meeks and Thaddeus Young were two other Sixers with local ties – but you may well know that Williams was a two-time Mr. Basketball in Georgia who has slowly worked his way to something approaching stardom.

Woodson: “He’s a young player that’s starting to figure it out.”

3. What about Williams’ shoes? They were a weird light shade of blue. Something tells me they didn’t come off the rack. Speaking of which, Josh Smith left the locker room in purple shoes that matched a nice purple tie with a pinstriped shirt. I asked him where he got the shoes. Said Josh, “I can’t kiss and tell.”

4. I mentioned in the story for Thursday that the Hawks just need to go .500 for the rest of the season to hit 50 wins for the season, so you’d have to say that’s a near certainty and 55 wins (which would a 16-6 finish) isn’t out of the question. Try to remember back to what you expected of this team in the preseason. How does this match up?

5. The Hawks got a break with Elton Brand being out with tendonitis in his Achilles. I’m not saying they would have lost with Brand in the lineup, but it would have been different. The Hawks outrebounded Philly 47-32. Shades of the Hawks’ win over Chicago with Luol Deng and Joakim Noah out. Hawks had 56 PIP to Sixers’ 38.

6. Josh made some phenomenal passes. He made a one-haner from one wing, across the lane to a tightly guarded Marvin underneath the basket and his alley oop pass to Al came from beyond the three-point line. He made another that wasn’t assist where he hit Mike Bibby who was cutting underneath the basket. It almost seemed like he was playing a game within a game, trying to see where he could fit passes. I asked him about it, and he said something along the lines of, “It’s just passing.”

136 comments Add your comment

josh

March 4th, 2010
12:31 am

1st….I LOVE THE HAWKS!!!!!! Season ticket holder that goes to every game unlike most who get on here and gripe.

cdog

March 4th, 2010
12:38 am

we fans have been spoiled by the hawks success over the past teo seasons. sometimes we expect them to win every game.if sund can convince illgauskas to join the team, i wouldn’t be surprise if we see a hawks vs laker or nugget final

J. Blanco

March 4th, 2010
12:42 am

josh

March 4th, 2010
12:50 am

im names josh and im a poor fag that has no money and lie about having season tix when im really watch the games wit a stolen league pass broadband subscription

IREPATL

March 4th, 2010
12:52 am

illgauskas is NOT COMING HERE !!!!!!! why are yall still on this dude smh

Ric Roc

March 4th, 2010
12:53 am

josh,

while it’s commendable that you’re a STH, it doesn’t make you anymore of a fan than I, nor anyone else… just count your blessings that you’re able to afford the opportunity. With that said…

Go Hawks!

darrell starks

March 4th, 2010
1:15 am

Great game marvin the hawks need you.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

March 4th, 2010
1:17 am

IREPATL IT NOT OVER UNTILL THE FAT LADY SING, BIG Z WILL BE A HAWK.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

Maxx

March 4th, 2010
3:16 am

If Marvin Williams actually starts to show up every night, we are SCARY

tjhook

March 4th, 2010
4:40 am

Marvin, we need you to be more than active. People on your team and on this blog are wanting you to take ownership of your role on this team and that is to be A LEADER!! You were picked second because someone saw GREAT potential in you. A 6′9 player who can dribble and shoot. Watch J.J. Hickson when the Cavs are on TV. Here’s a guy with the same dimensions as you who plays with a sense of purpose. And it doesn’t matter that six, seven of his teammates have extensive resumes. He tries to max his potential while on the court.
Come on, stop acting like a kid and MAN UP!! Take ownership of your position on the club. You are not a support player. You are supposed to be our version of James Worthy!!

Marcus

March 4th, 2010
6:28 am

Great game, keep up the focus. Don’t regress.

thomas22

March 4th, 2010
6:45 am

Go Hawks! That’s the Marvin we need to see. I dont know if you guys noticed, but when Jeff Teague is on the floor he’s even beginning to show a lot more confidence- he drives strong to the basket and is beginning to look more comfortable when he takes a shot (whether it goes in or not…)

Stay consistent Hawks!

Astro Joe

March 4th, 2010
7:15 am

Sautee, from last night:

Joe, I’m baffled. Why does this NEED reconciliation? Do you somehow think that I DON’T think JJ is an All-Star?

My bad, I didn’t realize that you were trying to convince some to “think of Al as an All-Star”. I thought it was about changing a perception of Al’s overall performance this year.

Astro Joe

March 4th, 2010
7:20 am

Melvin, I saw your commentlast night and I was thinking the same thing. Marvin has been channeling the AFRO for a game or two. I know that they were good friends and still keep in touch. I woner if Chill suggested that Marvin fill that void and make those back-door cuts, drive more often and play Afro-Ball? Whatever and however it happened, I like it a lot. Because it is all within the flow of the game.

Another good game from Zaza. Sure, he had his usual moving violation but he has played better in the last few games.

Bibby was red-hot with his shooting and spent most of the 2nd half on the bench. I would have liked to see him get a little more burn and Joe get a little more rest (before the bench came in).

5 out of 6. Nice run.

Ramon

March 4th, 2010
7:58 am

It seems at the trading deadline, without anyone knowing, we traded Marvin for …….Marvin. I feel bad for the sucker who got the old Marvin in the trade lol.

RMan

March 4th, 2010
8:06 am

Ken – While the Hawks are on a win streak against lesser opponents, the animosity in the blogging has slowed down, and MC is away, how about doing a curiosity sidebar “where are they now and how are they doing ” article on:

1. Chills
2. Othello Hunter
3. Sergiy Gladyr

Just to keep our curiosity satisfied for the future.
Thanks

dap01

March 4th, 2010
8:12 am

We are so much better with Marvin playing like tonight. When Joe does not dominate the ball, he and the whole team can be great. Teague is improving, our team will be incredible next year if Teague and Marvin continue to improve and we get a defensive center for the bench.

Section 303

March 4th, 2010
8:18 am

Ken, stop with the “Hawks got lucky because so-and-so was out.” Really, just stop it. This is the NBA and you play with who you have. You always, and I mean always, point out how the Hawks “caught a break” because someone was hurt.

And, really, Elton Brand? What is this the year 2002? He is not quite the threat he used to be.

Why don’t you at least try and give the Hawks some credit. I mean, they were able to make the playoffs two years in a row with Speedy Claxton injured. Other teams were lucky the Hawks didn’t have Speedy.

I would just assume not have a blog if you are going to be the one writing it, Ken.

O'Brien

March 4th, 2010
8:33 am

Good win for the Hawks players and coaches. And the bench got lots of burn last night.

Game ball goes to Marvin. 2 good games in a row. Whatever he is doing, whoever he is talking to, whatever he is eating, he needs to keep doing it, because his production helps us out in different ways.

And he seems to play better when he does the Chills impersonation, as opposed to standing by the 3pt line and missing open jumpers.

If Hawks can go 7-3, 8-2 over their next 10 games, that should keep the pressure on Orlando.

Astro Joe

March 4th, 2010
8:44 am

Ramon, good point. I thought the same about Josh Smith after the first month when he showed himself as a new and improved player. Hawks just need to avoid the Cavs because I am very fearful of their quality depth (especially amongst their big men). So we just need to stay out of that second round bracket and hit our peak around game 70-72 of the season. No need to peak now.

coachx

March 4th, 2010
8:49 am

Hawks are on roll !

So good to see. Time for this city to support them ! Even on the week nights.

KevinA

March 4th, 2010
9:13 am

No gripe, just an observation. Jamal seems to finish all the games that end in a blow out. He is flying around doing the Jamal thing. Wouldn’t those minutes be more productive if we worked on specific plays. Teague to ZaZa or Joe Smith pick and roles come to mind.
Set up plays with Evans and Mario going to the bucket.

I am not sure letting Jamal create his own shot teaches us anything. We already know what Jamal can do.

Daniel

March 4th, 2010
9:17 am

Ramon- I love your 7:58 post. I just hope it is not too premature. I am sure Rod will be by soon enough to dispel any hope that Marvin has made a change. Section 303- Dang, go easy on Ken. I understand the point that the Hawks didn’t get “lucky” with no Brand, but man that was harsh.

BTW Ken, What’s up with MC? Who did you p*ss off at AJC to always be forced to do the fill in duty and get hammered for it?

Najeh Davenpoop

March 4th, 2010
9:50 am

“I think when I stay active, especially when I’m rebounding the basketball, I do a lot better personally and I help the team.”

No sh-t dude.

Clyde

March 4th, 2010
9:51 am

Marvin has to have big games against title contenders for me to believe in him.

FIRE WOODY

Najeh Davenpoop

March 4th, 2010
9:53 am

RMan, you forgot Cenk Akyol.

Daniel

March 4th, 2010
9:57 am

Or everybodys summertime dream boy, Garret Siler!

Ken Sugiura

March 4th, 2010
10:00 am

Ramon – very funny. good work.

settle down, Section 303. Read what I wrote again. I said they got a break with Brand out. Mike Woodson himself said as much. I didn’t say they got lucky.

Daniel – MC is taking a breather after the long road trip. He’ll be back soon. thanks for having my back. I still owe you a t-shirt.

KevinA – interesting point about Jamal. I’ve noticed that, also.

RMan – I’ll see what I can do. Interesting thought.

jg

March 4th, 2010
10:04 am

kevin a,

i think the same thing–why even have jamal out there in those rare nights where we have a big lead. i certainly don’t want him to get injured in gar-bage time.

pretty easy win last night–other than l. williams and w. green the sixers seemed slow all night. i expect a better performance from golden state. they know they can be us with 8–now they have a few more bodies so the hawks need to step it up and put them away before the fourth qtr.

while i don’t think we are better than orlando right now–if marvin continues to play at this level–he brings a new dimension. he was playing this way last until he got injured at the end of the season and he hasn’t been this good since. i think his injury really hampered the team last year in the playoffs more than the inj.’s to joe and al horford.

if marvin keeps his average up around 12-15 pts a night–and we can keep using joe smith, zsa zsa, mo and even teague a little more our bench can and will help us. it may cost us a game here or there–but in the long run it might win us some in the post-season.

finish these last 20 strong hawks and then really crank it up for the playoffs.

jg
chattanooga

Najeh Davenpoop

March 4th, 2010
10:06 am

Brand has been so ineffective as a Sixer that I’d be surprised if he made much of a difference at all. Thaddeus Young fits better with their scheme anyway.

Section 303

March 4th, 2010
10:13 am

Ken, here’s the problem I have…it’s bad enough we have to sit and hear talking heads (ESPN, TNT, etc.) rarely mention the Hawks as a top 4 team in the East. Now, on our own blog, we have to read implications that somehow the Hawks wins are cheapened because the other team had injuries.

Well, the Hawks have had injuries, too, both this year and in years past. I don’t remember anyone crying them a river. And, I don’t remembe them giving the wins back, either. Noah and Deng were out for the Bulls? I don’t care. Brand didn’t play? Don’t care, either. Just like I didn’t want to hear our fans whine when Crawford and Zaza missed the Miami game before the break. Play with who you have.

You are constantly taking the “other team had injuries” angle. You did the same when the Hawks beat Denver in December. Chauncy was out, blah, blah….Ken, the Hawks are a good team, whether you want to acknowledge or not…

fudd21

March 4th, 2010
10:19 am

Najeh, I totally agree on your post about Brand. I was somewhat surprised to even see them make him an offer last year considering he is a halfcourt type player and Philly when they are at their best are running. But I’m glad cause otherwise they may have thrown all that money at Smoove and who knows if we would have matched. Smoove’s contract is starting to look like a bargain right about now.

GET A CENTER NOW

March 4th, 2010
10:44 am

The hawks are content to do the 1 and out because there is no investment of what it takes to reach the next tier. T.S. is right. You cant win a championship when your center is 24th among NBA center in block shots.

GLARING WEAKNESS.

Daniel

March 4th, 2010
11:03 am

Not that it will matter to you truth-serum, but Horford is 20th in blocked shots amongst NBA centers. If you are going to repeat the same statistic over and over for weeks, at least get it right. OK?

Daniel

March 4th, 2010
11:12 am

of course he is also 12th in scoring, 8th in rebounding, 5th in assists and 9th with double/doubles.

Stats are how you package them

March 4th, 2010
11:15 am

If you look at total blocks by centers so far this season Al is at 16th out of 81.

JeJe

March 4th, 2010
11:15 am

Elton Brand was out — OMG we would have lost with him in!

No, Elton fits with Jermaine O’Neal — washed up, overrated, overpaid has-beens who will never be stars again in this league.

OMG Marvin had a 20 pt game! Is this his first 20 pt game since the Houston game 340823 months ago, or his 2nd 20 pt game since his 30 pt outburst against Seattle 3 years ago?

Stats are how you package them

March 4th, 2010
11:16 am

Sleepy

March 4th, 2010
11:20 am

KevinA- Crawford took one shot the last 4 minutes of the game . The rest were taken by JT0 ,Mo,and Mario. He seemed to be content with the rest of the guys showing what they can do.In the time in between the 8 minute mark when had a 17 point lead and the 4 minute mark he shot two free throws on a loose ball foul .

We always try and run plays for someone else at the end of games but how many times this season has another bench player actually played well enough to get them more touches ? On those occasions similar to last night game everyone gets into the act and everyone gets touches . Jamals job in that situation is to make sure we dont have 3-4 possessions where we dont score.

The last 4 minutes Zaza and Joe Smith were on the bench and it was Collins,Mario,Mo,Crawford,and Teague

vava74

March 4th, 2010
11:37 am

Astro,

I agree that Marvin has made a pretty good Chills impersonation these past few games, however, this was against less than stellar opposition (both collective and individually).

Hopefully he will pick up on that and continue to work the boards and drive to the basket since his mid and long range games are not up to par.

Perhaps if he regains his confidence his shot will come back.

In order for us to have any hope of reaching the #2 seed (highly unlikely) we will need at least 57 wins and for that we need Marvin and Bibby contributing consistently and that no one else falls into a funk.

JeJe

March 4th, 2010
11:41 am

Marvin steps up about once every 25 games. What’s this talk about him stepping up every so often? He is going to go back to his cuckoon and have one good game in the playoffs. Nothing he has done in his career seems to indicate otherwise.

Traceman

March 4th, 2010
12:19 pm

At 39-21, the Hawks have the second best record after 60 games in the HISTORY OF THE FRANCHISE. No Nique-lead team was ever this good at this point in the season. The only team that was better after 60 games was the ‘96-’97 team that was 41-19 after 60. All the Woody haters need to let that marinate for a little while when they talk about how bad he is. Is this team more talented and/or balanced than the teams that Lenny, Fratello, Hubie, et al had?

Ree Roe

March 4th, 2010
12:31 pm

The latest from the Big Z derby:

“Herb Rudoy, Big Z’s rep, sure can spin a funny yarn. Check out what he told the AP: “They told him they want him to come back,’ said agent Herb Rudoy. ‘(Cavaliers general manager) Danny Ferry flew in the other day and met with him, too.’ Ilgauskas has drawn interest from several other teams, including the Atlanta Hawks. Rudoy said Ilgauskas is weighing his options and that the 34-year-old has mixed feelings. ‘He’s got a big emotional investment in Cleveland, in the city and the team,’ Rudoy said. ‘On the other hand, he was not happy to be used as a pawn in the trade. It has not been an easy ordeal. They’ve really reached out to him,’ he said. ‘He loves the fans of Cleveland and I know how much the Cavaliers mean to him. But again, he was not happy to be a pawn. It was really disappointing.’ Rudoy expects Ilgauskas to make a decision by this weekend. Ilgauskas can announce where he’ll play at anytime but cannot sign a contract until March 22.” (from SLAM Online)

Until he resigns with CLE, I still think we have a legitimate shot at signing him.

-REEcreationally Roe!!!

sam'l

March 4th, 2010
12:34 pm

If you;re not the real MC,. who are you? Thanks for the column.

Daniel

March 4th, 2010
12:37 pm

Traceman- very nice post. I didn’t realize that fact. I still would take Hubie over Woody, but still an excellent point.

Ree- Thanks for the update. Although, MC seemed to suggest in the last blog that the Hawks were backing off because it was looking more like a done deal for a return to Clevland.

Daniel

March 4th, 2010
12:42 pm

As far as Ilgauskas goes, I find it strange that a player of his calibre and years of service would be so hurt by this move. Didn’t the Cavs let him know what was going on? I know they can’t publicly have a return deal in place, but c’mon they had to have had prior discussions right? Did Danny Ferry really blindside him with the move? Z certainly seems upset with the franchise. There has to be more to this story.

northcyde

March 4th, 2010
12:42 pm

There have been 10 guys who have averaged a combined 20 ppg – 4 rebounds – and 4 assists over the last 5 seasons ( or at least during their entire career, if they haven’t played 5 seasons yet ).

The elite class in this group, of course, are the Big 3 in the league ( Kobe, Lebron, Wade ). They can actually say that they’ve averaged 25 – 4 – 4 per game. Gilbert Arenas can say that too, although he is by far less efficient player in this group.

The reason people think Tyreke Evans is going to be special ( and why Kevin Martin immediately became expendable ), was that he’s already putting up 20 – 4 – 4 numbers in his rookie year. He’s actually very close to being a 20 – 5 – 5 player.

Tracy McGrady makes this list, but he’s shot a very inefficient 41.7% FG combined in the past 5 seasons.

But like I said, only 10 players in the league make this list. And here they are, sorted according to PPG:

THE ELITE

1) Kobe Bryant: 30 ppg – 5.6 rebs – 5.0 asst
2) Lebron James: 29.4 ppg – 7.3 rebs – 7.1 asst ( the modern day Oscar Robertson )
3) Dwyane Wade: 29.4 ppg – 4.9 rebs – 7 asst

THE “SHOULD BE ELITE” IF HE WASN’T AN IDIOT ON AND OFF THE COURT

4) Gilbert Arenas: 27.1 ppg – 4 rebs – 6.2 asst ( lost almost a full 2 years to injury though )

THE “ALMOST ELITE” BUT LACK A FEW THINGS THE ELITE GUYS HAVE

5) Paul Pierce: 22 ppg – 4.9 rebs – 5.6 asst
6) Vince Carter: 21.9 ppg – 5.5 rebs – 4.5 asst
7) Joe Johnson: 21.8 ppg – 4.4 rebs – 5.5 asst

THE “COULD’VE BEEN EITE” IF HE WASN’T SO BRITTLE AND TOOK SUCH BAD SHOTS

8) Tracy McGrady: 21.5 ppg – 5.2 rebs – 5.5 asst

THE POSSIBLE ELITE IN 3 – 5 YEARS

9) Tyreke Evans: 20.3 ppg – 4.9 rebs – 5.4 asst
10) Brandon Roy: 20.2 ppg – 4.6 rebs – 5 asst

That’s it. There’s your modern day 20 – 4 – 4 club.

To see the entire list for yourself, click here ( I reduced the link from basketball-reference.com . . . to a tinyurl link ):

http://tinyurl.com/ykt9dky

Section 303

March 4th, 2010
12:52 pm

northclyde, I think you need to add Kevin Durant to the “Elite” list. He is everybit as good, I think better, than D-Wade. Durant is a superstar. And, as we all already know, Oklahoma City is a team that needs to be reckoned with.

Section 303

March 4th, 2010
12:54 pm

Traceman, according to Ken, most of those Hawks wins should not count because the other team had guys injured. So, think of the Hawks as barely over .500, I guess…

Traceman

March 4th, 2010
12:55 pm

My hope is that Marvin is doing exactly what Smoove did toward the end of last year and that is finding his role on the team. Smoove struggled early last year but he was better toward the end of the season and in the playoffs. I hope that Marvin is doing the same thing.

Marvin HAS played a lot more of the “Chillz role” with his offensive rebounding and cutting to the basket but in addition to that, he has shown the ability to post up defenders, create his own shot and play top notch defense (both team and man to man D) which Chillz did NOT do consistently.

The thing about Marvin’s play of late that has been most encouraging to me is that he has found a way to be impactful on both ends of the floor while making only a couple of shots from the perimeter. In the past, Marvin’s play on both ends was contingent on how well he shot the ball from the perimeter. When he shot the ball well, all aspects of his play was good. When he shot it poorly, the rest of his game suffered. If he can be as good as he has been lately when his shot isn’t falling, I think that bodes well for him going forward.

All of the above said, I don’t expect Marvin to get 21/8 every night on this team because despite his good play of late, he is still our 4th or 5th option at best. If he can continue to play aggressively, contribute on both ends and pick up the slack when one of the go to guys is off, he will make a HUGE difference going forward.