Late Hawks Squawks: Hawks 106, Bucks 102 (OT)

– The bottom line is the Hawks turned back a tough, scrappy opponent that came in a hot streak and avoided losing two straight at home for just the second time this season. “We all gutted it out,” Jamal said. “It was definitely intense and very physical out there.”

– So the bottom line looks good. Some of the other lines were ugly, though: 5 of 18 shooting in the fourth quarter, including 2 of 9 for J.J., 0 for 3 for Jamal and no shots at all in 11 minutes for Smoove.

– Basically, here’s how it went: bad Iso-Joe and the Hawks faltered, good Iso-Joe and they won.

– Fourth quarter Iso-Joe: fadeaway airball, missed 3-pointer, missed fadeaway, missed runner and the missed pull-up at the regulation buzzer. Overtime: 3-pointer, fadeaway jumper, baseline fadeaway, and a missed 21-footer.

– “When you get another chance you always want to come through,” J.J. said. “I wanted to make plays in that overtime to get us over the hump.”

– He shot 7 of 22 in regulation, 3 of 4 in overtime. “He’s going to have games like that,” Josh said. “We had to keep riding him to see if he could get going. He was making tough shots and tough moves on his guy. When he’s like that, we’ve got to keep giving it to him.”

– It worked out in the end because J.J. really is a very good one-on-one player even when a strong guy like John Salmons is up in his face. But the Iso approach contributed to the familiar no-ball-movement, poor-shot-selection formula that has hurt the Hawks late in games. They are a combined 16 for 54 (29.6) from the field in the fourth quarter of their last three games.

– At least the Hawks played some fourth-quarter D this time. After the Bucks shot 50 percent through three quarters, the Hawks held them to 6 of 17 in the fourth. As usual, the tighter D led to offense: six points off turnovers and seven fastbreak points in the fourth for the Hawks.

–The Bucks scored the first five points of overtime and it felt like the Mavericks all over again. “We knew what we had to do,” Jamal said. “We look at the Dallas game as a fluke. Our record in the last few minutes of the game is actually outstanding.”

– “Milwaukee has been hot lately but we were able to get the win,” Josh said. “It’s nice to have a win to get our confidence back. We just need to tighten it up on the defensive end and share the ball offensively.”

– I’m guessing at least four of Jamal’s 11 misses were forced. He’s now shooting 26 of 84 (31 percent) in the seven games since the All-Star break. He says the shoulder only bothers him when he drives to the hole. So it’s got to be that he’s just in some kind of funk right now.

– But he did have four assists and a steal against just one turnover. And, as he was sure to point out, he made his free throws.

– Nice D by Horford on Bogut on Milwaukee’s last possession of regulation. He held his ground against a bigger opponent who was determined to get to the basket. It’s how the Hawks had to play the Bucks in a game where officials allowed roughhousing.

– “We couldn’t back down,” Smoove said. “We didn’t take any mess. That’s how you’ve got to play when a team hits you in the mouth.”

– “It was a fun game to be on the court,” Zaza said.

Stackhouse looked spry while scoring 10 points in the first quarter and eight in the fourth. He was interested in joining the Hawks last summer. Think their bench and locker room would benefit from a pro like him?

– Salmons has really made a difference for the Bucks. Because he went for 32 points they still had a chance to win with Brandon Jennings scoring just three points. But Salmons couldn’t stop Iso-Joe in the end.

– Question: How do you make Iso-Joe develop even slower? Answer: Stop the clock and have shook game officials who don’t notice for at least five seconds.

– “I’m watching the clock tick down so I can see when to go and it just stopped,” J.J. said. “I was thinking it would start back, but it didn’t. It was frustrating, but it happens.”

– Yet another complete game from Smoove: 22 points, 15 rebounds, six assists. Take away those times he thought he was a point guard (five of the team’s 12 turnovers) and he was nearly perfect. “I’m letting the game come to me,” he said. “I’m playing well for the team. I’m not rushing anything. When the opportunity presents itself, I’m seizing it.”

Woody played Zaza and Mo 14 minutes each, Teague seven minutes and Joe Smith six. It wasn’t always pretty but the bench crew pretty much kept the Hawks in the game during their stints.

– The Hawks play at the Bulls Monday night. “It’s going to be hard playing a back-to-back against a good team but we should feel good about ourselves,” Zaza said.

– I’m out, Hawks fans.

MC

117 comments Add your comment

Grandad

March 1st, 2010
12:38 am

Michael Cunningham:

When you get a chance, would you ask Wdsn what exactly is his offensive
philosohy? I would be curious as to how he would answer the question.
Thanks. Good night all.

Grandad

March 1st, 2010
12:47 am

Dang, there I was 1st and I couldn’t handle the pressure.
@ least one misspelled word and one goofy paragraph typo
something-or-other. If Wdsn were to read the question,
he will just say, I’ll answer the D___ question when that
‘bleeping’ blogger graduates from Jr. High. Oh well.

bigboi

March 1st, 2010
1:04 am

Wow!!!!First?

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

March 1st, 2010
1:11 am

I don’t feel bad about any win. The Bucks had won six straight and were on a high beating the Celtics – great way to put a hot middling in its place…I really look forward to Jamal kicking it in gear against the Bulls tonight-long overdue for a big game.

Scoop

March 1st, 2010
1:13 am

Another lackluster performance by Marvin, Couple that with more trouble against the pick and roll and I think it becomes mandatory to start Mo Evans and bring Marvin off of the bench/start Teague and bring Bibby off of the bench.
Its imperative that we get some quickness on the perimeter, because Bibby is too slow to guard most point guards on the pick and roll, which leaves Joe to guard the pg and what ends up happening is we either switch a big-man onto the guard or Joe gets caught in the pick and the guard is able to penetrate into the lane. We need Mo/Teagues quickness for more minutes in the game to help defensively with the pick and roll. Plus, if Marvin comes off the bench he can get more touches and be the focus of the offense for the 2nd unit to help get his confidence up. He truly looks lost out there, when he gets a rebound he looks to pass the ball to a guard or even SMOOVE instead of looking to push it himself. Another thing to note is he struggles on help defense. If he’s switched into the post he is too late on helping if the defense is penetrated. He should also look to attack more on offense with his touches, if Joe is doubled and swings it to Marvin he usually takes the jumper but he’d probably be more effective driving with his athleticism.

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

March 1st, 2010
1:34 am

Grandad – we already the answer to that one. During preseason he said that his offensive philosophy to let them run ams that good offense is predicated off of good D and rebounding…when all fails, they didn’t execute the strategy or superb in game adjustments.

Grandad

March 1st, 2010
2:31 am

Hawks Fan in N.O.:

Yes sir, you are correct. He ‘lets’ them [Josh, Al, & Teaguer] run.
The rest are too old, or tired to run. Nique always says:
” I wish Josh would outlet to a [1] or a [2] and fill the lane…
if he did that he would have to wait on the ball. Bibby or Joe will not push it. Josh and Al take off and run. Young Mr Teague pushes the ball
for all of 3 min. per.
Perhaps I should have specified half ct. offense to Mr. Cunningham. As the play-offs tend to slow down and turn into a chess match.
*(Wdsn prefers checkers)

tjhook

March 1st, 2010
2:32 am

I hate Woodson’s offensive strategic ineptitude. And Mo should replace Marvin in the starting lineup – would we really miss the “Duck’s” prescence?

Ken Strickland

March 1st, 2010
3:21 am

MCUNNINGHAM-in tight gms down the stretch, we see Woodson grab his chalkboard and pretend he’s drawing up a play. Yet, when we take the court, all we see is JJ take the ball and go ISO. We’ve been doing this crap for the last 2-3yrs now, and you’d think Woodson would realize he’s not fooling anyone. Everyone knows what’s coming, since Woodson doesn’t have anything else to offer.

It’s truely sad when over the last 20 or so gms, our PF has become better at running the OFF and fastbreak as well as penetrate better than our starting PG. I won’t mention DEF and scoring. I’ve never seen a HC so in love with a particular player(Bibby)that he’ll completely ignore the obvious fact that he’s regressed so to the point of becoming a total detriment to the team.

What makes it worse is there’s a potential solution to the problem sitting on the bench(Teague), and Woodson stubbornly and inexcusably refuses to even give the potential solution the slightest chance to prove himself. I know we still have these dilusional fans who steadfastly claim Teague’s not ready. However, the way Bibby is embarrassing himself and hurting the team, it appears he’s the one that’s neither READY, WILLING OR ABLE.

If given simular mins as Bibby, there’s no way Teague could be as offensively inept as he’s been over the last 20+gms, and he’d certainly provide the DEF Bibby’s failed to provide during his entire tenure here. If, as some seem to think, Woodson’s irratic coaching is the result of him trying to win as many gms as possible down the stretch, you’d think he’d have enough sense to realize that over the last 33gms, his team has been treading water at a 500 clip, which has coinsides with Bibby’s rapid decline. STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES.

Live From the Westside of Macon (artist formerly known as Mac-Town'z Finest 478)

March 1st, 2010
3:51 am

It’s obvious that Bibby fluffs Woodson’s pillow at night and Marvin shines his baldy for him (take that any way you want). That’s the only reason I can think of as to why Woodson is so in love with this non-productive wastes.

o.O-Mac-Town -Macon, Georgia- Westsider-O.o

March 1st, 2010
3:57 am

Mike Woodson thinks a “coaching adjustment” is changing to a different color dry-erase marker for his lil board.

FIRE WOODSON.

Jesse

March 1st, 2010
7:10 am

Maybe the reason the stink in the 4th quarter is because they are exhausted from playing so many minutes…. Woodson needs to play his bench a bit more so the starters are only play in the high 30s in minutes, not 40s

dap01

March 1st, 2010
7:43 am

During one of the last possessions by the Bucks, there was 7 passes and no dribbles during a play (in the last minute).

The Hawks did not make 7 passes in the forth quarter. Joe goes ISO, he is tired, so he merely dribbles and throws up a fadeaway from 25 feet.

Does Sund watch the games?

dap01

March 1st, 2010
7:52 am

Why don’t anyone ask Woody why he plays the starters such long minutes on the first night of a back to back?

terrell

March 1st, 2010
7:55 am

Why does Dominique continue to say, “we need to put these guys away early”? The Hawks haven’t put a team away early in 6 freakin years.

O'Brien

March 1st, 2010
7:56 am

Another fourth quarter with 19 points or less. That makes 11 of them this season, and our record is 2-9 in those games. One thing about Woody. He will win or lose with iso JJs no matter who, no matter what, no matter when, no matter where.

Bibby did not give us anything last night, but he had 2 good games before last night’s game, so I’m looking forward to seeing what he is able to give us later. And he is the only starter who should be fresh, so hopefully he is making his shots. Although I think Derrick Rose will have a HUGE game later.

If Crawford keeps struggling like this, he might lose his grip on the SMOY trophy. Hawks need him to get it going, because that will give Woody more iso options, and JJ wont have to carry the load all by himself.

@ Wabe

“Something that I noted that I liked in this first half was seeing JT0 get minutes with Crawford at the 2 and JJ at the 3″.

I disagree. With those guys in the game, more often that not all Teague would do is bring the ball up the court, and then hand off to JJ or Crawford, and then get out of the way.

Since the Hawks are playing a back to back on the road tonight, it would have been nice to see Woody give the bench more minutes. It was an ugly win, but a win is a win. If we finish with the 3rd seed, we could play Chicago in the first round, so this could be a playoff preview. Our starters are tired, so I hope our bench gives us quality minutes tonight. Beat them Bulls.

JeJe

March 1st, 2010
7:57 am

We really really really should have signed Stackhouse. If we could’ve done that then traded Mo Evans for a 3rd PG, we’d be set. STackhouse can score the ball, has some size, and is a vet. Teague/Craw/Stack/Joe.S/ZaZa is a lot more powerful than having Mo out there

JeJe

March 1st, 2010
7:58 am

Read the post-game story. Smoove said we need to share the ball more…

JeJe

March 1st, 2010
8:13 am

LOL WOODSON USES A 6.5 MAN ROTATION NOW AND SAID IT WILL DECREASE COME PLAYOFF TIME, BUT JOE SMITH AND COLLINS SHOULD LOOK OUT FOR MINUTES.

THAT IS OUR HEAD COACH

Joe

March 1st, 2010
8:22 am

Why did the Hawks pass on Stackhouse last fall when he practiced with local pros including several Hawks and comments were made by those players that Stackhouse showed big with his A game and we certainly had a roster spot open for another 6- 6 big guard/forward who could play the 2 or 3 positions? His price would have been inthe Hawks budget I think,he was living in Atlanta, and appeared to recover from his injuries of last season. Now he is one of the reasons the Bucks are improving while the Hawks reserves are struggling with their shots.

JeJe

March 1st, 2010
8:23 am

Horford got bigger this past summer, but his post game still is not good enough. He doesn’t take high quality shots. And Smoove is always out of control driving the lane. You just cover your eyes, hoping it’ll go in

Calvin's Barber Shop

March 1st, 2010
8:54 am

Can we please take up a collection and buy Josh Smith a real nickname. Smoove? What’s that supposed to mean anyway? Better than Snookums, I guess, but not worthy of a player who is becoming a great one.

Coach D

March 1st, 2010
8:54 am

Where the hell are all the fans???? Phillips was maybe half full. I got to the game, which is a rare occasion, but an early evening Sunday game should be packed out! There was no fan influence until the end of the 4th quarter…
The Atlanta Spirit/Phillips group is not helping the fans want to return when they have the ushers stand “guard” at the top of the bottom level isles to prevent true fans to be able to move down closer to the court. GET A CLUE ASG!!!!!!!! Does the ASG think these fans who don’t have much discretionary income, will come back when they are not allowed to get closer to the court. This leaves a real bad taste in my mouth. Cater to the customer & fire Woodson and there may be more fans.

doc

March 1st, 2010
8:56 am

yeah MC, i asked the question on your last blog why mario and put up stackhouse’s numbers? those are the things about this management team that drives me crazy. problem is he would only get 5 minutes of play time instead of compete to make marvin better. he begged to play here. he is probably why the bucks have been so improved over the last month or so since he arrived. i dont think it is mere coincidence.

jj looked absolutely terrible on the last shot of the game. i would rather josh have it in his hand if jj is going to do absolutely nothing with it for 17 seconds of the 19 seconds we had it to draw a fould or contact. a fall away 18 footer is not the shot i want him to take..

Astro Joe

March 1st, 2010
9:10 am

Too bad that ugly wins don’t count the same as beautiful wins in the NBA.

@MC, so it appears that Sund’s shopping list is fairly limited, only a few vets have been bought-out (unless there is some last minute negotiating going on today in places like NJ). I assume that Sund will wait indefinitely for Z, right?

JeJe

March 1st, 2010
9:15 am

Why not just give Craw the last shot? he can easily get in the lane

doc

March 1st, 2010
9:28 am

coach d, sit where you buy your tix are is how it works. no one likes to return to a seat to have it occupied by someone not supposed to be there. too often freeloaders try to do just that. the hawks have plenty of promotions to get folks in at a bargain rate. season tix are a bargain if you sell them or get as a group. yes fans need to be there but in their own seats. those that are regulars dont need to fight for their seats. the folks at those aisles are very pleasant and have to put up with a lot of guff and rudeness by those thinking they are entitled to a seat they didnt pay for. hope you didnt take it out on them as they dot get paid a lot to put up with miscreants.

JM

March 1st, 2010
9:47 am

Did anyone notice the Hawks assitance coach say they loved Stackhouse and tried to get him here? if that’s the case, what stop them? MC any ideas?

O'Brien

March 1st, 2010
9:49 am

doc,

If Stackhouse was here, he would get limited PT, and when he did, he would probably not give us much, or be inconsistent like Joe Smith. Thats the kind of luck the Hawks have.

This offseason, Matt Barnes was available too, and everybody knew the Hawks needed a backup SF. But Rick Sund did not give Woody much of an option at that position. As for Marvin, he is not concerned about losing his spot, so hopefully somebody can light a fire and help him get it going.

AJ,

I havent heard any names out there that jump out at me either, so I think the Hawks will stick with the players they have. But there is room for improvement from within.

JeJe

March 1st, 2010
9:49 am

doc,

I see how teams like the Nets, who had a game where it started snowing in the middle, ANNOUNCED on the loud-speaker or intercom, whatever, that fans could move down since there were empty seats.

Why are the “premium” seats opposite the benches always empty? Why does it never sell out unless a superstar is in town?

Oh, I know why — Atlanta is a pathetic sports city

terrell

March 1st, 2010
10:04 am

Obrien, its called being STUBBORN.

terrell

March 1st, 2010
10:07 am

Obrien, can we even get the 3rd seed? I thought it was the division winners, and then 4-8? Did they change it?

terrell

March 1st, 2010
10:08 am

I’m thinking we gotta win the southeast to get the 2 or 3 seed, and I dont see that happening.

Mike is Back

March 1st, 2010
10:11 am

I have been out of loop since Thursday because of internet problems. I didn’t get a chance to see the Bucks game…however based on responses…I see it is the same ooooooooooooold thing and the same oooooooooooold Woody. They may not be world-beaters…but you got help on the bench. Perhaps doing the unthinkable like shaking up the starting line could bear some fruit…but what do we know…we are just bloggers. lol

Not only is ISO JJ old…that lame line up with Crawford and Bibby in the game at the end is old…you are putting two of your weakest defender on the floor at the same time. CMON MAN. Will there be some second half adjustments, or is this it???????

terrell

March 1st, 2010
10:14 am

Stackhouse chose Milwaukee, Wisconsin over the ATL? Didn’t want no part of Woody. Thats the only reason I can think of why he’d do such a thing.

terrell

March 1st, 2010
10:16 am

Hey Woody, start Bibby/Mo/JJ/Josh/Horf tonight. Thanks. Terrell

doc

March 1st, 2010
10:23 am

terrell he wasnt offered a job maybe here?

o’b agree and said just that above.

JM

March 1st, 2010
10:30 am

doc

if the coaching staff said they wanted him and tried to get him, why do you (or anyone) think Sund didn’t make the move?

fudd21

March 1st, 2010
10:32 am

Terrell, we can get the 3rd seed without winning the division.

doc

March 1st, 2010
10:41 am

GeeMack

March 1st, 2010
11:00 am

Another win for the Hawks, but it was very disappointing to see the effort they put forth.

I’m not sure what’s wrong, but something clearly needs fixing.
We were leading in the 4th against OKC, PHX, GS, & Dallas, and all four were loses. We needed OT to beak the BUCKS at home!

The Hawks should be on a 8 game win streak, but we’re 4-4 in that same stretch. We keep missing opportunities to catch both Orlando & Boston by playing lackluster ball in the 4th.

Marcus

March 1st, 2010
11:00 am

Whats irksome is that we could be, arguably, on a min. of a 5 game W streak ( big rolleyes for double-digit, come-from-AHEAD losses to Golden State and DAL) and at best a 7-game W streak coming out of the All-Star break (ATL starters get run by PHX bench in 4Q, nothwithstanding). Everything else in the NBA standings being the same, those 3 winnable games are the difference between being mere percentage points ahead of BOS for 3rd in the East and being tied w/ORL for the Southeast Div and 2nd in the East.

This was supposed to be the easy stretch before hitting the road vs. our tough march through March. Nothing has been easy, and we have to figure out the 4Q swoon and also get a strategy for that 2-3 zone. Best believe other teams peeped was DAL did to whittle down a 13-point lead in the last 5 mins to force OT.

thomas22

March 1st, 2010
11:01 am

Sure wish you guys wouldn’t waste your time with posts talking about players we could have signed/got! It’s too late (no trades allowed guys…..)- we have to focus on what we have so save yourselves some typing.

The Hawks just need to try to work inside out and pass the ball around more. That one pass and a shot philosophy is old. Teams have scouted us and they know that rarely we look inside and will take a long jumper instead, especially when we go iso Joe.

I didn’t use to think Coach W was really the problem, but watch the chemistry of the team during timeouts when he’s drawing up a play and they are basically not even paying attention. Has he lost control of the locker room?

I do believe that we could replace Marvin in the starting line up with someone and allow him to come off the bench. He may play better as well. Teague is showing signs of confidence now-I would think that he would get better as he gets more playing time. I like Bibby, but it’s evident he’s lost a step-most other PG’s are much younger and blow by him.

Daniel

March 1st, 2010
11:21 am

I don’t know how to look at these last few games. Yes, tough wins and tough losses. Both Dallas and the Bucks have been HOT. So could be an opponents issue. However, I really think that Crawford’s play is the key to our 4th quarter/inability to put a team away issues. I know the shoulder keeps getting down played and maybe he is starting to come out of it, but that is my area of concern here.

MC, I have a question for you. What does Zydrunis gain by continuing to talk about other teams at this point? If he is going back to Clevland they can’t offer him any more money than he already is being offered. Is he really that upset about being traded? Is this posturing for some front office kick back type stuff? Or is he serious about going to another team? I am confused by the whole thing.

JM

March 1st, 2010
11:22 am

thomas, you miss the point. insight it to some of our recent moves or lack thereof can help you forcast what we may do with future moves. or you can read more into it and say that Sund is building his team irregardless of what the current coaching staff wants or wanted.

JM

March 1st, 2010
11:26 am

* regardless

jlewis

March 1st, 2010
11:31 am

Mike is Back, you hit it right on the head, Bibby and Crawford in the game at the same time is a big problem and is hurting this team down the stretch. Mr. Cunningham, you ran off 5 plays in ISO in the 4th quarter, who took the other shots? You said Smoove had no shots in 11 minutes, you really want him shooting or getting it on put backs or shots off the break? You always mention the the ISO, lets hear about why your 4 time all star shooting guard has to always guard the point guard or the toughest player. You also mention Josh’s numbers, but on man to man defense, Josh is horrible, the problems with this team are not ISO’s, its defense.

I would also like to know have you mentioned JJ wearing knee pads the last few games, are his knees bothering him? Do some real reporting and stop just mentioning offense, we can score with anymore, the problem is defense. Tell us why Stack wasnt signed and how much can the Hawks pay Z.

Melvin

March 1st, 2010
11:40 am

Terrell.

Jim Todd lied about the Hawks wanting to sign Stack during that interview after the 1st qtr. It was well document that Stack wanted to play for the Hawks. Heck, we could have eliminated Cheeseburger Collins and Mario slot to sign Stack if it was about the money which I think it was b/c they chose to sign Mario during the season (pro-rated salary) versus paying him the 1 mil, had they chose to sign him in the offseason. So I am not sure where the blame lies (Mgmt, GM, Coach) for not signing Stack.

O'Brien

March 1st, 2010
11:46 am

terrell,

Stackhouse said he believed he would be a good fit in ATL. But he never got an offer from us. Why? I don’t know. And then Michael Redd went down for the Bucks, so they called him, he accepted. That was a better spot for Stackhouse anyway, because with Redd’s injury, he would get more PT there.

As for the seeding, they changed the rules. Even if the Hawks dont win the division, they can still be a #3 seed if they have a better record than Boston.

Daniel,

I think Crawford’s slump is part of the reason why we’re struggling to score in the fourth. I think he was one of the top scorers in terms of points scored in the 4th. I hope he gets out of his slump soon, because with Bibby struggling, and Marvin being Marvin, we need Crawford.

However, even if we take out the Miami game before the all star break (which is the game Crawford missed), and the subsequent games after the break where he is struggling, there are still 8 other games where the Hawks scored 17 points or less in the 4th quarter.

I havent looked at the numbers to see what happened in those games, but to me, the Hawks always have the potential to struggle in the fourth when isos aint working, and jump shots aint falling.

I look for Crawford to get out of his slump tonight in Chicago. Come on Jamal, the Hawks need you to prove me right

DecDawg

March 1st, 2010
11:50 am

Can we stop with the “JJ guards the toughest player on the other team BS”? He does not guard Carmelo, Lebron, Pierce, Rose, Durant, Jason Terry, Deron Williams, Chris Paul…etc. And please do not mention either of the guards from Golden State, Steve Nash, Kelvin Martin or any other guards that go off against us every time.

I know it sounds good to say it but it’s just not true. Now he may end up guarding them on a switch or from time to time but so does every one else on the Hawks because of the constant switching on D.