Bucks at Hawks, AKA Waiting on Big Z and Looking For Tough D

At least three reports surfaced over the weekend saying Zyrdunas Ilgauskas will re-sign with Cleveland.

His agent, Herb Rudoy insisted those reports are “very premature” and said the Hawks are still in contention to sign Ilgauskas.

“I’ve gotten a number of calls about that, and it’s absolutely not true,” Rudoy said today. “Could it happen? Absolutely. But he has not made a decision. That will be at least a few more days from now if not more.”

Rudoy said he wasn’t sure of Ilgausaks’ motivations other than a desire to play for a team with championship aspirations.

“We haven’t gotten past this whole thing of being traded away,” he said. “That was sort of expected but it didn’t make him happy. He’s got a lot of years invested in Cleveland, and that makes it a very complicated decision for him. He wants to win a championship, but I don’t know how (else) he will make a decision. He told me he’s taking his time, and that’s what he will do.”

According to reports, the list of suitors for Ilguaskas had grown to include Boston, Miami and San Antonio as well as the Hawks, Cleveland, Dallas, and Denver. If money is an issue for Ilgauskas, who reportedly gave up $1.5 million to secure a buyout from Washington, then the Hawks, Jazz and Heat can offer him the most salary.

Those three teams have their full mid-level salary cap exceptions available and could offer Ilgauskas 36 percent more in prorated salary than Cleveland, which has only its bi-annual exception available. The Jazz and Heat are near the luxury-tax line while the Hawks are comfortably below.

The Hawks, who also have their bi-annual exception, have appeared reluctant to use either to sign Ilgauskas. Rudoy wouldn’t discuss the specifics of the offers to Ilgauskas but said the Hawks have been “very aggressively pursuing” him.

Rick Sund calls me at least once a day to talk about how Zyrdunas would be helpful and would have a great opportunity there,” he said. “Joe Smith has called him told him what a great situation it would be for him. I just don’t know what he’s going to do.”

– Over the first 45 games, the Hawks allowed 10 opponents to shoot better than 50 percent and 17 to beat them on the boards. In the last 12 games, six opponents have shot better than 50 percent and eight have collected more rebounds.

No doubt the Hawks have issues on offense, especially late in games. But maybe that wouldn’t matter so much if they defended and rebounded at the level they did for much of the first half of the season.

“(The slippage) has been huge in terms of how we started the season and where we are today,” Woody said. “Somehow we’ve got to get our mojo back in terms of our defensive attitude and rebounding the basketball because we are just barely hanging on in those areas. We are going to need that the rest of the way. You look at the good teams that are winning, they are getting after it defensively and they are rebounding the ball. If we come in with the mindset that we are just going to outscore teams that’s not good enough for me.”

Why the slippage considering Woody’s a defensive guy?

“Our scoring is up,” he said. “I don’t know if guys just feel like we’ll make it up on the offensive end. Sometimes that’s good and you do that. In the past couple years I can count on our guys to get key stops and rebounds and hustle plays. We are not doing enough of that right now, and we’ve got to get back to that.”

And he said all that before the Mavs shot 52.2 percent and had 50 rebounds to 41 for the Hawks. Now here come the Bucks, who’ve won six straight and nine of 11 overall and six straight on the road. They are tied for 14th in the league with a 50.3 percent rebounding rate while the Hawks are tied for 24th at 49.4 percent.

– Late add: The post-game blog will go up late tonight because I’ve got to run and catch the team’s flight to Chicago. You know, in case you care.

– Talk amongst yourselves, Hawks fans.

MC

593 comments Add your comment

barry

February 28th, 2010
4:16 pm

fire woodson! first!

RomeDawg

February 28th, 2010
4:25 pm

It would be nice to have Z but I don’t see it happening. This kind of “business” makes me not care to much for pro sports. Sadly, second.

JeJe

February 28th, 2010
4:32 pm

WOODSON DOES NOT USE THE BENCH IN CLOSE GAMES

SMOOVE IS A HORRENDOUS MAN DEFENDER

CRAWFORD, WAKE UP

JOE, BE A LEADER

JOSH, BOX OUT

BIBBY, LOSE 20 POUNDS AND ACTUALLY BE ATHLETIC AGAIN

MARVIN, CONTRIBUTE SOMETHING

FIRE MIKE WOODSON

Grandad

February 28th, 2010
4:39 pm

From previous blog:

February 28th, 2010
4:31 pm
Sybil:

Do you want Al (who’s out there running ‘COY’s’ switching defense) to run back and defend the basket on every possession, even if he may have switched on to the opposing teams point guard or whomever?
Even your ‘COY’ said he would have to adjust if Big ‘Z’ were brought in. So the problem is not Horford but Wdsn – refusing to make adjustments.

O'Brien

February 28th, 2010
4:44 pm

Sott Skiles might be on the list for COY too. Redd has been out a long time with injury, and other guys have been injured too, and they have a rookie starting PG. But here they are, 7 games behind the Hawks in the loss column.

MC,

There are times when the Hawks play good defense, and still get outscored, and there are times when we score 30 points in the quarter, and still get outscored. We’re very inconsistent offensively and defensively.

sam'l

February 28th, 2010
4:45 pm

I would have T’d Kidd for attacking Woodson physically and then jawing verbally. If Woodson can clearly be shown to have been out of bounds, the final few seconds of this game should be replayed. End of story.As I said in my other blog, this rule has to be changed or any team in the league will go hunting for coach when down by 4 on their last possession,and inevitably there will be an injury. Imagine Amare or some other Kidd imitator barrelling into Phil Jackson’s reconstructed legs or toppling ;Coach Karl or Portland’s McMillan. McMillan would have jumped on Kidd and strangled him.

d.Woody’s ;comments: You and I both know that sometimes a team’s future performance can be judged by the way they react to previous efforts. I would say that Woodson’s comments portend more disaster. When Woodson saw the zone was hurting the Hawks he should have taken at least one and possibly two timeouts to guide his team through this. We are told by another player (Johnson?)that they knew what they had to do. Obviously, they DID NOT KNOW what to do. Woodson wants to take credit for the loss by praising Kidd’s trickery is totally inappropriate, especially when he is telling his team they CAN’T AFFORD TO LOSE THOSE LEADS, as if anyone making millions and millions of dollars and living the life doesn’t already know that.

I think you get the picture. Woody still isn’t up to speed. Woodson should
A: Protest the game with taped evidence that the Hawks again got robbed by the officials.
B. Study that damn zone with an eye to using it himself against unsolvable teams like ORL, ;CLE
C. Somehow provide his club with the energy and vision and proper motivation to go out and play like the champions they are for 48 or if need be 53 minutes a night.
D. Hire another assistant who can specialize in analyzing what INSTANTANEOUS CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE at any one time in a game and stay in contact with that tactician.

Why do I care? Why should the Hawks be so interesting and maddening? Really somebody tell me.
Kudos to Josh Smith….I know he was pissed…I think he had the right attitude. interview him, and he probably wouldn’t gloss it over…..He deserved the win.
.

BC

February 28th, 2010
4:47 pm

Looks like J Kidd is a smarter coach than Wooden-head!Everything else,JeJe covered.

terrell

February 28th, 2010
4:47 pm

Same ole Hawks, same ole Woodson. Maybe they’ll let us play only 3 qtrs today. lol!

sam'l

February 28th, 2010
4:49 pm

Re-reading my blog, perhaps McMillan wouldn’t ;have attacked Kidd….no reason for me to assume he would…..a decent guy. I regret the error. I myself would probably have retaliated if I had been in that situation and gotten hurt. Woodson wasn’t seriously hurt.

"Chef" Tim Dix

February 28th, 2010
4:59 pm

Woody, please remain seated unless a timeout had be issued. Thank you.

Grandad

February 28th, 2010
4:59 pm

JeJe:

Not trying to argue as I agree with alot of what you said.
*Josh is not horrendous; you’re correct he doesn’t box out but gosh darn he does so many good things how can we nit-pick?
*Joe does not have the personality to be a true leader.
*You know if Bibby were like Teague then he’d be Teague. Oh!
*About marv – Think about it, he actually plays defense better than he’s capable of playing. To hear people on this board, he’s:
clumsy, slow, awkward, has no balance, can’t jump, non athletic, and plays like a duck. [ I forgot to mention he has webbed feet]
Heck-fire if he plays as well as he does under those circumstances
think what the rest of the team could do if they played above their potential.

JeJe

February 28th, 2010
5:04 pm

Grandad, Marvin sucks. He can’t even break 7 points in a game. He doesn’t want the ball, shows no fire, and to have someone 6″9 with a Pippenesque wingspan and who looks athletic, but who is such a disgrace, that is disheartening

JeJe

February 28th, 2010
5:05 pm

And where do people hear this !@#$ about Marvin having webbed feet?

Grandad

February 28th, 2010
5:06 pm

sam’l:

I apologize to all for repeating a previous statement.
Had Kidd done this to Chuck Daly, the ‘Bad Boys’ would have
taken care of it without a word being said!

JeJe

February 28th, 2010
5:12 pm

WOODSON DOESN’T USE THE BENCH AND HE STILL THINKS THAT BOSTON IS TEAM TO BEAT IN EAST

LOL

WORST COACH IN NBA

Michael Cunningham

February 28th, 2010
5:13 pm

@O’Brien: i hear you. numbers don’t always tell the whole story but i think the D and rebounding have definitely dropped off lately. for the Hawks that usually means less chances to score in transition, too. when the Hawks were defending hard against Minnesota and Dallas they looked very, very good. and then that inconsistency creeped in.

@ Granddad: Woodson says he wouldn’t have Z showing hard on pick-and-rolls like he does with Horford and Joe Smith. said they would do a lot of zone looks with Z: “I wouldn’t put him in a position where he could fail.” i know there is (justifiable) skepticism about how Woody would adjust with Z but he’s been enthusiastic from the start about adding him so i think he would find a way to use him effectively. i also wouldn’t be surprised if he moved Marvin to the bench with Z as the starter.

but that’s all just for fun since Z is headed back to Cleveland.

@ chef tim: i’m for that since he tends to stand in just the right spot to block my view in the first half.

Grandad

February 28th, 2010
5:14 pm

Dang JeJe, I was only talking about defense
The webbed feet remark was just a play on words because everyone makes fun of him looking like a duck.
Personally, I like Marv.
Calm down now, I’ve already said I agreed with most of what you said.
If my remark about Marv offeded you and the comments I’ve seen on here about Marv and others do not, then I am at a loss.
[I forgot to mention: Wdsn has a Mr potato head with no eyebrows]
That ‘IS’ quoting directly from this board.

JeJe

February 28th, 2010
5:21 pm

LOL @ WOODSON adjusting for Z. Is this a joke? He makes no adjustments at all.

Anyone else remember Miami gm 2 in the playoffs last year? We destroyed them in gm 1, game 2 at home and we lay an egg. I was there. Worst game I’ve ever been to and Hawks lose maybe 5% of the games I go to. We had 3 days off to “adjust” and tweak here and there and we played like !@#$ in game 2 and didn’t even try change up how we guarded Wade.

Summary: Woodson makes no adjustments, doesn’t listen to his assistants, and we freeze in the 4th because we have no offensive system

Grandad

February 28th, 2010
5:22 pm

Michael Cunningham:

Thanks! [re 4:39 PM post]
However, that particular post was directed toward ‘Truth Serum’
to whom I’ve dubbed ‘Sybil’ for his many personalities/handles
that he uses when he graces our presence.

Grandad

February 28th, 2010
5:25 pm

Now see JeJe:
We agree.
Check out my 4:39 PM Post!

Najeh Davenpoop

February 28th, 2010
5:27 pm

The Bucks have a quick, dynamic point guard and a 7 foot double-double threat at center. Not a good combination for the Hawks. Bogut is going to get his 20 and 10, but the Hawks need to clamp down on the rest of them to get this win.

Ilgauskas is and was always going to the Cavs.

JeJe

February 28th, 2010
5:31 pm

Ha I got you Grandad.

Marvin just sucks. No one can defend this guy in an argument. He is worse compared to other SFs than Bibby is compared to other PGs

Benjamin

February 28th, 2010
5:51 pm

Everyone and their cousin knows Big Z isn’t coming here and that he’ll be knuckle-touching LeBron at the free throw line again in a month. I hate it when agents go into “we’ll see” mode. I understand why they do it, but hate it nonetheless.

Let’s get after them Bucks…

BONE

February 28th, 2010
5:58 pm

Uh Oh another mediocre team. I guess that means the Hawks are gonna struggle. I hope they prove me wrong.

Anyway this Nuggets-Lakers game has been good.

bigdave

February 28th, 2010
6:04 pm

lets get it…

Melvin

February 28th, 2010
6:12 pm

Welcome to the big stage Woody. Our very own (or former) beat blogger weigh in at NBA.com

http://my.nba.com/cms/NBA%20Blogs/Sekou%20Smith%27s%20Hang%20Time%20Blog

BONE

February 28th, 2010
6:12 pm

Teague better get mins

Melvin

February 28th, 2010
6:13 pm

Man I wish the Hawks could have pickup Salmons at the trading deadline

BONE

February 28th, 2010
6:13 pm

Josh almost had a turnover

BONE

February 28th, 2010
6:14 pm

Why the hell did Josh take that long 2. Drive on this team.

Wabe

February 28th, 2010
6:15 pm

A lot of jumpers early, good to see them falling for us though.

BONE

February 28th, 2010
6:15 pm

Yea thats what I’m talkin about drive it

TheAntiMe

February 28th, 2010
6:16 pm

Of course we care MC, Remember to fasten your seatbelt and place your tray in the upright position. Very happy landing to you and the guys.

Wabe

February 28th, 2010
6:16 pm

Post moves? Who needs them. 3 buckets thus far for J.Smith. He’s doing a pretty good job on the boards too.

BONE

February 28th, 2010
6:20 pm

Wow do the hawks know how to box out?

joBjo

February 28th, 2010
6:21 pm

that salmon got away from the duck!

joBjo

February 28th, 2010
6:22 pm

Hawks better bring it tonite. has woody stood up yet? he stayin clear of the court so far.

BONE

February 28th, 2010
6:24 pm

And again takin jumpshots

BONE

February 28th, 2010
6:24 pm

Now the dumb switching defense OMG

joBjo

February 28th, 2010
6:25 pm

looked like Bibby almost made contact with Woody! lol

rob

February 28th, 2010
6:25 pm

how they look tonite?

BONE

February 28th, 2010
6:26 pm

They’re losing right now

BONE

February 28th, 2010
6:26 pm

As usual get off to a good start then give it all up

joBjo

February 28th, 2010
6:26 pm

lethargic, rob.

BONE

February 28th, 2010
6:27 pm

BONE

February 28th, 2010
6:28 pm

And I know people get mad at me for saying this but I don’t care. I WAS RIGHT AGAIN THEY ARE STRUGGLIN WITH ANOTHER MEDIOCRE TEAM.

rob

February 28th, 2010
6:28 pm

they always look like they dont care whats going on? especially against teams they dont respect, or if they do respect them they dont show it and get showed up

Hawks v. Bucks

February 28th, 2010
6:29 pm

Missed shots, fouls, and turnovers and a nice early lead turns turns into a deficit.

joBjo

February 28th, 2010
6:30 pm

Milwaukee is a pretty good team, Bone. We’re gonna have to bring our A game to win this one. Expesially if Bogut gets going. Al got his work cut out tonite.

mississippi

February 28th, 2010
6:31 pm

I wonder if Nique gets tired of saying the same thing every game.
“This is a team the hawks need to put away early. They can run up on them.”

then a few minutes later–

“This is a team that will keep coming. They’re going to make a run. etc. etc.”