Hawks Squawks: Mavericks 111, Hawks 103 (OT)

– What is it lately about the Hawks and these surreal endings? First Phoenix, then Golden State and now J. Kidd goes gangsta on Woody.

Woody took the hit for the loss. No, that’s not a bad pun by me, that’s what he actually said (and he wasn’t smiling). ““He made a heck of a play. Jason Kidd is an All-Star, a Hall of Fame guard and he’s had a hell of a career. He did what he had to do. I’ve got to take the hit on that. I shouldn’t have been on the floor.”

– After Kidd ran into Woody, he woofed at the coach and Woody responded in kind as Hawks players, officials and Mavericks coaches intervened. It all happened right in front of me and I still can’t believe it.

– “It was a big deal,” J.J. said. “He just blatantly ran into our coach. I’ve never seen that.”

– As play continued Hawks fans near the court jeered Kidd, who shrugged his shoulders and told them: “Hey, it’s a smart play.” And I guess it was but, dang, that’s kind of messed up.

– “I saw him run towards him. I didn’t know what was going on,” Josh said.

– “This is one for the ages,” said Mavericks coach Rick Carlisle. “I don’t think there’s ever been a smarter player in this league than Jason Kidd.”

— Hawks players said Kidd’s play and the made free throw on the technical shifted momentum. “It kind of changed the game, but that’s not what lost the game for us,” Johnson said. “They went zone and we couldn’t get no continuity on offense.”

– I’m glad he said that because, from the players’ perspective putting this one on Woody’s tech is kind of weak. It looks bad because the Mavs needed that point for overtime but another Hawks meltdown was well underway before that play.

– Things fell apart when Dallas scored seven straight points without the Hawks even getting off a shot: Brendan Haywood scored on a putback and was fouled, Kidd rebounded the missed free throw and passed to Jason Terry for a 3, and Kidd stole the ball from Horford leading to a Jose Barea layup.

– After Jamal’s layup gave the Hawks a 90-79 lead, they missed five of their last eight shots in regulation and 10 of 12 attempts in overtime. The Mavs switched to a zone and the Hawks reacted as if they’d never seen one before.

– “I think we settled too much in the zone instead of attacking,” Smoove said. “It really wasn’t an aggressive zone. They were just letting us shoot jump shots.”

– And why wouldn’t they? With the notable exception of the Jazz game, show some resistance against the Hawks late in games and they will stop moving the ball to get better shots.

– “They were smart enough to save the zone until they needed it at the end,” Jamal said. “But I”m sure if we came in here tomorrow we’d make (those shots).”

– Josh was among those who stopped attacking. He’d been the catalyst when the Hawks made runs in the second and third quarters but then stopped going to the basket when things got tight.

– “We just played one-on-one against the zone,” J.J. said, and he was one of the worst offenders. This was bad Iso-Joe: missed leaner on the baseline, a pass to Smoove for a miss, and two missed runners in the lane.

– Once again, the Hawks compounded their stagnant offense with lackluster D and rebounding. The Mavs made 14 of 23 shots in the fourth quarter and 5 of 7 in overtime. Yeah, the Mavs got hot, but the Hawks also allowed 10 fasbreak points in the fourth.

– “Defensively we couldn’t make stops when we needed them,” J.J. said. That seems to happen a lot when they take bad shots, doesn’t it?

– But the Kidd-Woody collision will be the big story. “It was a big play, for sure,” Jamal said. “I’m sure that’s what 20,000 people will remember the most. It definitely shifted momentum.”

– “Coaches are always on the floor but nobody tries to run into them,” J.J. said. “I might have to do try and do that.”

– I’m out, Hawks fans.

MC

174 comments Add your comment

Astro Joe

February 26th, 2010
11:28 pm

Who gives a sh!t about what people will remember about the game… will Woody remember to teach them how to defeat a simple zone (which they will see repeatedly in the playoffs until they can prove they can do something productive) and will the players remember what they were taught?

And how about those AWFUL defensive rotations that left Dirk wide open several times?

I understand the novelty of the Kidd play but for those of us focused on “are the Hawks in a better position for postseason basketball” we must assume those goofy plays won’t happen again (including the shot clock incident in Cleveland). But a zone defense and a player in the low block who needs to be doubled, yeah, that will certainly happen again. WTF is the recommendation to resolve those issues?

db

February 26th, 2010
11:40 pm

I must admit that as a Mavs fan I had my bags packed – but what a finish – kinda reminded me of a few years ago when we were on the other side of DWade.

Astro Joe

February 26th, 2010
11:40 pm

As if this night isn’t already surreal… I start flipping channels and Cornel West and George Clinton are singing a duet on the Monique Show.

Where’s the Tequila and Nyquil? I need to have one of those Beyonce and Alicia Keys kind of dreams tonight. :twisted:

Astro Joe

February 26th, 2010
11:45 pm

@db, wasn’t that for a Finals Championship as opposed to a random Friday night?

Mohd

February 26th, 2010
11:47 pm

Woody is being found out this season. Is he a premier coach capable of winning something with the Hawks? The talent is there now; can he coach them to a championship? Unfortunately, I hear a lot of NOs. Mr. Sunds is not rushing to sign him up either.

dstdeelite

February 26th, 2010
11:50 pm

db……yeah that did kind of suck…the whole Dwade thing..How many times did he go to the free throw line? a shame

Astro Joe

February 26th, 2010
11:50 pm

I hope Jeff Teague doesn’t try to run into Scott Skiles Sunday… that would really not be a good thing for the beloved rookie.

Dante Fitzgerald

February 26th, 2010
11:51 pm

Woodson = COY!!! Yay!!!

The Truth

February 26th, 2010
11:53 pm

Did anyone notice the effect Dallas had on us by having an active “Real” center in the game? Haywood presence made the big difference for them. He made Al Horford look like a rookie tonight. Crawford normally gets in the paint late in games settled for jumpers (that weren’t falling) because of Haywood presence. JJ was also settling for jumpers that weren’t falling late in the game instead of his sure-handed floaters also because of Haywood presence.

Also JJ has a weakness like kryptonite is to Superman. HE CAN’T EXPLOIT A LITTLE DEFENDER

Rick Sund

February 26th, 2010
11:54 pm

You ungrateful fans need to appreciate the fact that we will be hosting the first round and with the UPSIDE Marvin is showing, he will be an assassin come playoff time. Loyal and Real hawks’ fans should focus on our POTENTIAL. Only terrible fans focus on things like CHAMPIONSHIPS. Those type of fans aren’t realistic and have too HIGH of standards for such a YOUNG team that is LEARNING how to win.

Kevin

February 26th, 2010
11:59 pm

What’s more embarrassing? The Woody-Kidd Incident or Kidd’s 16 rebounds?

O'Brien

February 27th, 2010
12:00 am

Frustrating, with lots of blame to go around. Total team loss tonight. And to think, the Mavericks did not even have Caron Butler tonight.

We were up by 13 with about 5 minutes to go, and what happened? Our offense was inconsistent (again), and our defense was horrible. Why can’t Woody get it through these players head how to attack the zone? And why can’t Woody make adjustments, and figure out when and how to use his bench?

This has happened before, and it will happen again (especially in the playoffs). Once again, we face some adversity, and we start shooting jump shots, and our defense goes vanilla.

I thought Bibby had a good game with 16 points and 5 assists. Unfortunately the opposing PG had 19 points, 17 assists, and 16 rebounds.

I thought Josh Smith had a great game, 18 pts, 11 rebounds and 5 assists. Unfortunately, the opposing PF had 37 points, 9 rebounds and 4 assists.

And although Marvin only played 22 minutes, he also went 2-8, missing 2 open 3 pointers from the wing.

I’m sorry, but there is no way Horford should have played 50 minutes tonight. He struggled early and often. He was struggling against Haywood, and couldn’t handle some passes. So why did Woody play him 50 minutes? Of course, he responded by going 4-16. Did I mention he played 50 minutes?

And what’s up with Crawford? He played 39 minutes, and went 5-16. Ever since missing that game before the All-Star break, he has been horrible. He is 23 for 70 (33%) since the all-star break. I know he has denied it, but you can’t help but wonder if his shoulder is still bothering him.

And our bench was absent again tonight. Our bench players (not including Crawford), played a total of 25 minutes. I know this is only one game, but how often do we have to keep saying ‘this was only 1 game’.

Astro Joe

February 27th, 2010
12:02 am

The Truth, Joe ate up the little Utah defenders last week and had his way with the Mavs guards until they went into a zone defense. Dude was llike 11-14 before they started with the zone.

I do agree that Horford really struggles with Haywood (and the same was true when he wore a Wizards uniform) but I think that is because Brendan is tall, big and fairly agile at the same time. And unlike most centers, Haywood typically maintains and upward stance and rarely reaches or jumps at a player. He just uses his body’s length and good foot movement to make the opposing player very uncomfortable. I can easily see how that team will give the Lakers and Nuggets problems. Especially if Caron plays up to his capability.

Primo

February 27th, 2010
12:03 am

Sund really needs to look for a probable replacement for Woodson. Unless he makes a substantial improvement, he won’t be able to take the hawks far in the playoffs. With a great coach, this team is a contender. With Woodson, at least so far, this team is a PRETENDER.

Wabe

February 27th, 2010
12:04 am

Another Friday night of Hawks basketball that I couldn’t catch, and another night I come home to see the Hawks blow a DOUBLE DIGIT 4TH QUARTER LEAD and lose a game in OT because we hit yet another dryspell.

Why am I not surprised? Unbelievable. I haven’t even watched the game and I’m pretty heated.

Wabe

February 27th, 2010
12:07 am

This past week of Hawks basketball has been one of the most frustrating one’s all season. Blowing 4th quarter leads in games we controlled.

Astro Joe

February 27th, 2010
12:09 am

OB, Zaza sucks and Joe Smith was too small to play center in this game. Horford simply has to be better. I have no issues with him playing 50 tonight. It is what it is and right now, we don’t have anything close to quality big man depth against other high quality teams. Imagine if they had a healthy Dampier to add to that already HUGE frontline.

kwooden1

February 27th, 2010
12:11 am

Kidd running into Woodson is one of he weirdest plays I’ve every seen. Kidd definitely ran into Woodson initially and it worked. I really think the ref should have called Kidd out of bounds because Woodson’s feet appeared on the ground as Kidd ran into him, but really Kidd shouldn’t have touched him.

Overall this loss really shows that the HAWKS will never be elite until Horford develops a counter move to his right hand jump hook. Teams have adjusted to his move, along with the fact that bigger guys can defend it. Horford has to develop a fall away and an up and under move. The HAWKS desperately need a consistent inside game to go to the next level. I believe Horford can get there, but it may not be until next season. Right now, we’re a jump shooting team, with Josh Smith to clean-up the mess. I hate these kind of losses!!

GO HAWKS!!

Mac-Town'z Finest 478

February 27th, 2010
12:11 am

atleast the Magic lost too.

Astro Joe

February 27th, 2010
12:12 am

Wabe, this one was more frustrating to me than the Warriors game. I tend to get more ticked off by mental mistakes than physical ones. And tonight, was mostly poor adjustments by Woody (we couldn’t solve a simple zone defense) and was compunnded by stupid defensive rotations that left Dirk (of all players) wide open. UGHHHH!!!!!!!

O'Brien

February 27th, 2010
12:13 am

AJ,

Maybe Woody should have given RandMo or Collins a few minutes then. I just have a problem with Horford playing 50 minutes since he was struggling badly from early.

If horford was struggling when he was fresh, imagine how much he struggles when he was tired.

Astro Joe

February 27th, 2010
12:13 am

kwooden, well said.

Rick Sund

February 27th, 2010
12:14 am

Woody is still learning. With more game film he will learn to avoid opposing team point guards. As long as he is keeps OUR CORE WINNING and heck if win three more games in the REGULAR SEASON, we will be an ELITE team. We strive for IMPROVEMENT, which to me and my bosses is SUCCESS.

O'Brien

February 27th, 2010
12:18 am

But I agree that there was no adjustment from Woody. And the players should be smart enough to recognize that the jump shots weren’t falling.

And then Crawford says “if we play them tomorrow, they would make those shots”. I dont like that way of thinking. Jump shots are not the answer.

Share the ball, defend, and rebound.

Astro Joe

February 27th, 2010
12:20 am

OB, you and I have a philosophical difference. You seem to think “just send any warm body out there for a few minutes to allow a starter to rest” while I only want someone on the court who will help us win a agme. Collins and RandMo (IMO) would have been useless in that game (as they are in most games). If just any warm body would do in games, then contenders would have minimum-salaried players on their bench. Instead, they are luxury tax teams so they could have guys like Lamar Odom, Brandon Bass, Varejao, Gortat, Rasheed, Big Baby, Powe and eventually, Big Z on their bench.

I don’t blame Woody for not sending out a guy with a plastic spork into a gun battle.

Wabe

February 27th, 2010
12:22 am

Zaza Pachulia played 5:48.

You’re kidding me, right? In a game where it’s obvious we’re battling size inside, Zaza played 5+ minutes? Damn, that’s unbelievable.

Wabe

February 27th, 2010
12:23 am

JT0 – DNP

Damn, that sucks too.

Astro Joe

February 27th, 2010
12:26 am

OB, yeah, I read Jamal’s quote and got all ticked off again. Dude is still thinking that shooting jumpers is the way to defeat a zone defense. How many coaches has he had in the NBA? How does he think that shooting over a zone is the way to go… IT’S WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO DO… stop penetrating and passing and driving and stand there and shoot. And he’s talking about “we would hit those shots tomorrow”. DANG, that’s scary coming from a 10-year vet. Use your tricky dribble and get into the freakin’ lane, amn. Figure out how to get into the paint, not shoot over the paint. UGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!

Wabe

February 27th, 2010
12:27 am

I just remembered that the Warriors game was on ESPN too.

Why do we pull these chokejobs on national television.

Astro Joe

February 27th, 2010
12:27 am

Wabe, trust me, Zaza played too long. :lol:

Wabe

February 27th, 2010
12:29 am

100000000000% co-sign on Jamal’s comments about the zone. I glimpsed through MC’s article and saw that quote and was amazed that they’re still thinking jumpshots are the best way to attack a zone.

You’ve got to be kidding me. You can’t seriously go that stone-cold at the end of regulation + in OT against that zone and still be thinking you were doing ANYTHING right.

Wabe

February 27th, 2010
12:34 am

Damn, he must of been pretty bad.

I don’t see how we get past Cleveland or Orlando with an “iffy” frontcourt. I hope Zaza can pickup his play moving forward, because we’ll sure need him.

Rick Sund

February 27th, 2010
12:37 am

stfu phony rick sund, nobody cares about your phony posts

Paul Silas

February 27th, 2010
12:39 am

hey sund, gimmie a call, i might be interested in the job.

Rick Sund

February 27th, 2010
12:41 am

ok cool ill be calling you tomorrow, make sure you are committed to making the hawks a good team now….were not really worried about winning in the playoffs

Clyde

February 27th, 2010
12:42 am

Can’t blame the bench tonight for letting a double digit lead in the 4th get away. Someone has to be held accountable to tonight’s debacle.

Paul Silas

February 27th, 2010
12:42 am

great guy, im lookin forward to having a word or two with that josh smith, i dont like thugs too much

Josh

February 27th, 2010
12:42 am

yeah, these past couple losses have been really hard to take.

Rick Sund

February 27th, 2010
12:43 am

how about an bosh for smooth trade in the offseason?

Paul Silas

February 27th, 2010
12:44 am

na, he looks like the logo on his jersey, leave him where he is

Rick Sund

February 27th, 2010
12:44 am

well how about amare?

The Truth

February 27th, 2010
12:44 am

AJ

I saw at least two iso plays (late in the 4th) where JJ was having trouble scoring on little Barea. He got frustrated those times (with his quickness) and actually offense-fouled the little guy but the refs didn’t call it. Yes the zone did bother the Hawks but also remember Dallas went with a small lineup that launched their comeback. Yes JJ took advantage of the “green” PG for Utah, but savvy veterans like little Nelson for Orlando or little Nate Robinson for New York is another story.

Paul Silas

February 27th, 2010
12:45 am

na, he wear goggles, fans dont want that

Paul Silas

February 27th, 2010
12:45 am

hey , what if i keep woodson as my assistant?

Rick Sund

February 27th, 2010
12:46 am

ummm, idk, its not safe to have woody anywhere near the sidelines , look @ wut happened wit j-kidd tonight

Paul Silas

February 27th, 2010
12:47 am

its ok, i wish kidds little a$$ would try that, id put him on the floor

Avery Johnson

February 27th, 2010
12:48 am

hey, i dont get a shot @ the job sund? i thought we was homies g , wth

Rick Sund

February 27th, 2010
12:49 am

avery, weve had this talk already, youre just too short

Avery Johnson

February 27th, 2010
12:49 am

ahhh, i see how it is sund…..that aint right man, just aint right

Rick Sund

February 27th, 2010
12:50 am

listen little man, i already have an order of protection against you, STOP HARRASSING ME, THE JOB IS GOING TO PAUL!!!