Hawks Squawks: Warriors 108, Hawks 104

Stephen Curry and the Warriors took one from Hawks. (NBA.com Photo)

Stephen Curry and the Warriors took one from Hawks. (NBA.com Photo)

Oakland– That’s two games in a row where an all-systems failure led to a dispiriting loss for the Hawks. Same scene after each one, too: J.J. sitting dejectedly at his locker, still in uniform while his teammates hit the showers.

– Not hard to figure why he was bummed about this one. The Hawks did so much right to build an 18-point lead, then blew it by doing everything wrong.

– “We were too comfortable,” Al said. “We thought we could just let them make their run and come back and we would still win.”

– Instead the Warriors took it from them. They had just eight healthy bodies and probably no more than two players on the court who could crack the Hawks’ rotation. Yet they were poised while the Hawks fell apart.

– “We just failed to execute coming down the stretch,” Woody said. “We had a comfortable lead and we stopped doing the things that got us the lead. Defensively, we just shut down.”

– “We definitely stopped playing D,” Jamal said.

– They still had their chances to win. It was tied at 104-104 when Al missed a jumper and it went out of bounds off the Warriors. But Jamal was called for a technical foul, and the Warriors made the free throw for a 105-104 lead.

– “I thought I got pushed under the basket,” Jamal said. “He (the official) didn’t think so. I voiced my frustration and got the technical.”

– Crawford had a chance to make amends when he was wide open for a corner 3-pointer on a pass from J.J. He missed, the Warriors rebounded and Ellis made two free throws for a 107-104 lead.

– The last play for the Hawks: Smoove for a 3-point miss. Huh?

– For the second straight game, the offense stalled in the fourth quarter. Too much standing around and not enough ball movement. “I’ve got to get us out of that,” Woody said. “We are isolating too much now. I’ve got to get more movement, more ball screens, give the ‘bigs’ a chance to make plays.”

– Al is all for that. “The first three quarters we were great. We were unselfish and moving the ball. In the fourth quarter we got very stagnant. We can’t keep letting that happen. It happened early in the year, we fixed it, and now we can’t let it happen again down the stretch when the games are so important.”

– The fourth quarter Iso-Joe count: missed a shot that went off the rim and out of bounds; got fouled and made both free throws; made a 29-foot 3-pointer; missed a leaning jumper on the baseline that Smoove rebounded; and passed out to Jamal for that missed 3-pointer. That’s the most Iso-Joe plays in the fourth since I started keeping count.

– Rookie Stephen Curry ran circles around the Hawks, who never really figured out how to stop him from getting into the lane coming off picks. When they did slow him that way, he made shots.

– “He reminds me of his daddy (Del Curry) except he’s a better pick-and-roll player,” Woody said before the game. “And he’s got a jumpshot. That’s a tough combination.”

– The Hawks now head to Utah, where they’ve lost 15 straight, trying to get a split on the four-game trip. They couldn’t close out the Suns when Woody wouldn’t use his bench, and everyone had a hand in this debacle. “It’s a tough loss,” Woody said. “We are trying to stay at the top of the division. We are trying to stay .500 or better on the road, and now we have slipped under .500. We have some ground to make up.”

– I’m out, Hawks fans.

MC

231 comments Add your comment

Astro Joe

February 22nd, 2010
2:44 pm

Melvin, i don;t think that I have cornered the market on assigning blame after a loss.

But hey, if we are going to “pass the blame around” the next time iso-Joe fails to produce in late/tight game situations, I’ll be down for that ruling from the blog officials.

Astro Joe

February 22nd, 2010
2:46 pm

OB, that’s funny because Vava despises Bradley.

Hawk n the Ham

February 22nd, 2010
2:47 pm

Can anyone go back and look at the inbound play again? I am just wondering if anyone can get a clue as to who was creating an open shot for who there? Was there any screens or what-not?

Astro Joe

February 22nd, 2010
2:48 pm

Melvin, in fact, go back and read the game time blogs from any of the previous 50 games. There is a HUGE contingent that assigns blame during a win. :lol:

Melvin

February 22nd, 2010
3:05 pm

Astro,

You are one of the most knowledgeable bloggers. I expect more out of you…lol

JacquePierre

February 22nd, 2010
3:05 pm

The problem with the Hawks is that THEY CONTINUE TO REVERT BACK TO THEIR OLD WAYS, the ways of three years ago when they constantly blew leads and underachieved when they won 37 games and luckily made the playoffs, the year that they should have won 57. Josh goes back to his old ways when he launches 3-pointers and continues to dribble the ball downcourt just to have it stolen from him. Plus the Hawks offense goes stale and they dont have the patience to make the extra pass. The HAWKS WERE CAPABLE OF WINNING 60 GAMES this season, taking over the southeast division from the Magic. The Hawks will have to settle for second place in that division SINCE THEY HAVE FORGOTTEN HOW TO WIN BASKETBALL GAMES. When you lose to the team with the second worst record in the league (Golden State) that does absolutely nothing for your self image and self esteem.

GeeMack

February 22nd, 2010
3:05 pm

Daniel

You are right a 50 to 55 win season and a better 2nd round showing is progress, however I think the owners thinks this is a championship team and that’s what their holding responsible for.

GeeMack

February 22nd, 2010
3:30 pm

The Hawks have gone from having the opportunity to be 4-0 on this west coast trip, or 3-1. Now they will probably end up 1-3. What a turn of events.

Astro Joe

February 22nd, 2010
3:35 pm

Melvin, I’m an under-achiever when it comes to this blog. I’m surrounded by guys who accept nothing but the top spot in their lives. These are the guys who were the valedictorian in high school… they never felt good about having a 3.5 GPA… anything less than the title was failure. They went on the college, obtained multiple post-graduate degrees. Became leaders in their respective fields, because winning anything less than a gold medal is to go home in utter humiliation.

Me, I’ve always been satisfied to be amongst the elite. I am humbled to be in the company of so many high-achievers who live out their profesional/personal lives with the same passion for excellence that they expect from their favorite basketball team and head coach.

Hawk for Gold

February 22nd, 2010
3:41 pm

The hawks need to shed a lot of this worthless roster and go after Lebron and Dwayne in the offseason. I’m tired of looking at this bland roster.

Ken Strickland

February 22nd, 2010
3:43 pm

Woodson has at least managed to do one thing no one else has been able to do. His coaching has been so noticably bad, he’s actually managed to shut SAMUEL UP. I’ve maintained that the Hawks have achieved what success they’ve achieved, especially over the last 2-3yrs, in spite of Woodson, and here’s an example of why I feel that way.

For several yrs now, most of the nondilusional Hawk fans have been complaining about Woodson’s stubborn reliance on ISO’s, one on one and jumpshooting, expecially in close gms down the stretch. All of you know I’ve made numerous comments about Woodson needing to incorporate the system of screens and back picks that’s been successfully utilized by his former employer, the Pistons. Well, yrs after I and other blog fans started making an issue of these problems, here’s what Woodson had to say after our embarrassing loss to the Warriors.

“TOO MUCH STANDING AROUND AND NOT ENOUGH BALL MOVEMENT, I’VE GOT TO GET US OUT THAT. WE ARE ISOLATING TOO MUCH NOW. I’VE GOT TO GET MORE BALL MOVEMENT, MORE BALL SCREENS, GIVE THE “BIGS” A CHANCE TO MAKE PLAYS.”

HOW MANY DAMNED YRS HAS IT TAKEN FOR THIS FOOL TO COME TO THIS REALIZATION? HOW MANY LOSSES HAS THIS TEAM SUFFERED WHILE WAITING FOR THIS FOOL TO COME TO THIS REALIZATION? HOW MUCH MORE TIME WILL HAVE TO PASS BEFORE THIS FOOL REALIZES HE ALSO NEEDS TO USE HIS BENCH, DEVELOP AND UTILIZE HIS YOUNGER PLAYERS, ESPECIALLY HIS YOUNG PG, IMPROVE HIS DRASTICALLY INADEQUATE HALFCOURT OFF, AND ACTUALLY UTILIZE STRATEGY AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS DURING GMS. HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE THIS FOOL TO REALIZE BIBBY HAS NOW BECOME A COMPLETE LIABILITY ON BOTH ENDS OF THE COURT AND THERE ARE NO MORE JUSTIFICATIONS OR EXCUSES THAT CAN BE MADE FOR CONTINUING TO IGNORE TEAGUE WHILE RUNNING HIS USELESS BUTT OUT THERE FOR 30+MINS?

It seems the closer we get to the end of the season, which mesns the closer we get to Sund making his decision on Woodson’s coaching fate with the Hawks, the more Woodson seems to be falling apart. He’s becoming less involved in coaching during gms, ignoring his bench more and more, making downright stupid and illadvised decisions and making statements that demonstrate he doesn’t have a clue what’s going on or what he’s doing.

With the way he and Bibby are failing down the stretch, how can we expect to win a playoff series with the way these two joined at the hip incompetents are performing? The sad thing is, THERE ARE ACTUALLY FANS OUT THERE WHO THINK WOODSON AND BIBBY ARE DOING A GOOD JOB.

Woodson's the Man!

February 22nd, 2010
3:50 pm

Woodson’s going to surprise in the playoffs—mark it down. Look for the Hawks to upset Cleveland and make the NBA finals against the Lakers!!!!

KimPeterson

February 22nd, 2010
3:57 pm

The Hawks SHOULD insert TEAGUE into the starting lineup in place of mike bibby. Bibby is washed up and is simply hurting the team. I think the Hawks should also insert Jamal Crawford into the starting lineup in place of Marvin Williams. This will jumpstart Williams and get Williams to jump into action. If Jamal can score 18 points each night playing 30 minutes, imagine what he would score if he played the entire game of 48 minutes; Jamal would be an all-star and probably somewhere in the top 10 in scoring, averaging 27-30 each night. Let williams come off the bench and let Marvin Williams try to win the 6th man of the year award. That will light a fire under Marvin and get him to start playing basketball. He was drafted second overall player out of college so he has pathetic skills that are yet to be developed. Imagine what a lineup of Teague, Crawford, Smith, Horford and Johnson could do. I think thats an unstoppable lineup that has to be tested. It wont hurt putting Teague in because the Hawks have enough talent to compensate for him. Were already getting nothing from Bibby (3 points per game) so you have nothing to lose by putting Teague in because Teague wont give you less than 3 points. Try it out and see what happens!

tyger

February 22nd, 2010
4:03 pm

Yes, the sky is falling…

Last week, the Hawks admitted they were impotent. This week, they roll over and limp home.

Ken Strickland

February 22nd, 2010
4:11 pm

There’s one other thing that will factor into the ASG/Sund’s ultimate decision on Woodson’s coaching future with the Hawks, and it’s finance. CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING:

(1)It was Woodson who insisted we resign Marvin, Bibby, Smoove and Zaza.

(2)It was Woodson who insisted we add more size, depth and talent to our bench.

(3)It was Woodson who decided to draft PG JTeague.

(4)It was Woodson who insisted we go after JSmith.

(5)It was Woodson who decided who made this yrs roster.

(6)It has been Woodson’s decision to basically ignore all of the above.

So, the questions they will have to ask themselves are:

(1) With Woodson as our HC, have we gotten an acceptable return on our sizeable investment?

(2) Can another HC get more production out of the roster we’ve invested so much money into over the last 2yrs?

(3) With Woodson being so biased towards veterans, can we afford to have a roster filled with FA vets, and can we afford to continue wasting time and money on one undeveloped draft pick after another?

(4) With the uneven treatment he’s given every vet on his roster except Crawford and his starting 5, will any talented vet really want to sign with us?

(5) Are we content with just going season after season making the playoffs, hopefully with a winning season, and getting embarrassed in the playoffs?

Daniel

February 22nd, 2010
4:13 pm

Astro- that 3:35 post is hilarious. I feel your pain. I mean even GeeMack and Fundamentals are throwing in the towel, and those are patient guys. Maybe I am getting more comfortable with mediocrity and didn’t know it.

ps. no disrespect Gee or Fundamentals,

DemondWilson

February 22nd, 2010
4:20 pm

I read somewhere where the Hawks roster is bland. The roster isnt bland, the Hawks are just playing the WRONG PEOPLE. #1 – Jamal Crawford should be in the starting lineup. This guy will give you scoring punch continuously for the duration of a game. #2 – Teague should be starting ahead of Bibby. Bibby is giving you nothing so to promote Teague will certainly not be a downgrade. You’re already getting nothing from the position so it cant get worse. Give Teague an opportunity and he may turn out to be an all-star. Mix those two with the thoroughbreds, Josh Smith, Al Horford and the veteran Joe Johnson, mix carefully and you may have the best starting lineup in the game. I challenge Woody to experiment with this starting five. It may be just the thing to reel in the Larry O’Brien trophy in June.

JG

February 22nd, 2010
4:36 pm

As a long time Warriors fan, I have to say I say that I agree with many of the posts here. Woody never adjusted to the Curry run and continued to run the Johnson iso play to exhaustion. The Hawks have a very good team, not much different than the Jazz. However, the intensity is missing, particularly on the defensive end. If you have a creative point guard running the show, the team would be much better and more fun to watch.

Many teams have underestimated Curry and his ability to see the floor. From our perspective, the game changed when Hunter and Biedrins were in the game together along with 3 guards. This has never happened before and the often predictable Nellie was forced into this after Josh and Al took it to us in the paint all game. Woody response: iso Johnson!

The W’s beat the Mavs with 6 players this year so don’t fret. These guys are used to going 40-45 minutes at a fast pace.

Your team misses Childress. They need to pick up a PG. Crawford and Johnson on the court together is not a good strategy.

From where we sit, every win is a game closer to Nellie getting his record and retiring. So thanks!

Astro Joe

February 22nd, 2010
4:38 pm

Strickland, it sounds like the ASG need to figure out why they are paying Sund if Woody is making all of the personnel decisions.

Daniel

February 22nd, 2010
4:40 pm

Ken- If you are giving Woodson all this power that he is “insisting” about, then does he get credit for being in the top of the EC? Does he get credit for the wins? Getting two players in the All Star game? Having a player as 6th man of the year and another DPOY? I mean if he gets ALL the blame, then I gues he gets ALL the credit, right?

And after all that you came up with “with Woody as our HC did we get an acceptable return on our investment?”– Dude, NO WAY? you think that is the question Sund is going to ask before giving him an extension?? I would have never, ever, ever thought of that. Especially since that is the obvious nature of the job itself, that’s like when ‘Nique gives us the ole “you have to shoot the ball in order to score” type stuff.

And your answer to the 5th question is what going to the playoffs year after year???? This team won 37 games two years ago, won its first 7 game playoff series in like 40 years just last year!!!! Show a little, itty bit of perspective. You can dislike Woodson all you want, he has his shortcomings, but at least be somewhat fair.

Astro Joe

February 22nd, 2010
4:41 pm

Daniel, I can’t figure out if Strickland is Obama, the Pope or Sarah Palin… but he is obviously someone who considers themselves among the most successful people on the planet.

Reality

February 22nd, 2010
4:58 pm

Well once again we got torched by guards. A the same time the demise of Bibby continues. .396 FG% and no defense.

GeeMack

February 22nd, 2010
4:58 pm

Daniel

None taken buddy. However this season is frustrating. We all said at the begining of the season, the Hawks should take advantage of any challenges the top 3 teams had with thier line up (injuries, suspension, or adjustments) in adding additional personnel.

This is something we have not seen.

Astro

That is a funny post.

Hawks73

February 22nd, 2010
4:59 pm

I am not real surprised by the Hawks recent lack luster play. It’s been evident that this team tends to become complacent and lose focus/mail in games, which is a direct indictment of the coach. We are witnessing the same pattern that Woody has displayed over his coaching tenure. He is a stubborn pain in the a!! and refuses to develop his bench (which is PIVOTALLY important for top tier teams). Woody had us all believing he was not going to go back to his old ways, but sure as the sun rises, we are back at the same place.

You can’t win in the NBA without player development, which means using you bench players and allowing them to grow/develop chemistry. The challenge faced now, is that you are beyond the midpoint of the season and it’s almost impossible to get back playing time and cohesion. I can appreciate the growth that has accompanied Woody’s tenure, but it’s time to find a better fit for this team.

GeeMack

February 22nd, 2010
5:04 pm

Ken Strickland,

If the Hawks win 55 games, and get to the 2nd round of the playoff is that considered a successful season in your eyes?

GeeMack

February 22nd, 2010
5:09 pm

Hawks73

I think the celing for this team is the 2nd round, with or without Woody.

The 2 teams we are chasing have starting line ups that are just as talented if not more talented, and their bench is just as deep as the Hawks.

Their is no other coach that could coach this group of player past Cle or Orl, unless they brought in additional help.

Cyde

February 22nd, 2010
5:28 pm

I had nightmares about the game last nigght..really I did. I cannot support a team that has no heart or balls. Josh was horrible, his decision making is horrible. I agree, he will never be an all star until he stops the whining and play …Joe……what’s up with the turnovers…Joe may want to go to another team, but he will never be a bonified superstar. Mavin & Zaza are HORRIBLE!!!!! Lastly, Woody’s coaching and rotation is horrible!!!!!!! Bibby cannot play defense, beach his -ss!!!!

ntrigue

February 22nd, 2010
5:34 pm

Its time for Woodson to shake up the line up. Start Teague,Joe, Josh, Al, and Zaza…..Given Quality mins I believe Zaza will put up quality numbers some where around 10-12ppg and 10-12rebounds consistenetly every night…..TEague jumper will improve over time as gets comfortable again playing on the court he can shoot but its hard when you know the coach is waiting for you to make 1 mistake then will take you out the game…At the very least Teague will get 6-8 assists the game help our offense to be able to get up and down the court much faster than Bibby as well as give us some quality defense from the point position! I will be in the building weds vs Min and a couple of games after that and I will be giving Woodson hell if he continues to sabotage our team just watch me! Go Hawks!!!!

Ken Strickland

February 22nd, 2010
6:34 pm

GEEMACK-What one deems successful is predicated on ones EXPECTATIONS. Championship minded organizations, teams and fans, like those in Cleveland, Orlando, Los Angeles and Boston, wouldn’t consider 55 wins a successful season. They simply have higher EXPECTATIONS than our WOODY LOVING Hawk fans.

Back during the 07/08 season, we made the playoffs with a losing 37-45 record, took Boston to a 7gms, and felt we had a successful season. Woody got his 1st contract extension based on that performance. Why, because we had low EXPECTATIONS that yr, and making the playoffs and taking Boston to 7gms was more than anyone EXPECTED. Teams have fired HC’s who’ve won 55gms, not because they didn’t have a winning season, but because they didn’t meet EXPECTATIONS.

The fact you still support Woodson and/or Bibby demonstrates you have low expectations. The fact none of you WOODY LOVERS addressed any of the issues I presented proves you know I’m right, but your man love for Woodson and/or Bibby won’t let you admit to it. Instead, you pose some hypothetical BS about supposing we win 55 gms. Hell, just like Woodson, you didn’t even bother to think before making your suggestion.

We’ve played 54gms, won 34 and have 28 remaining. In order for us to win 55gms, we’d have to win 21 or the last 28gms, and even a fool knows that’s not likely to happen with the way the team is playing, and the way Bibby and Woody are screwing everything up.

Based on the abundance of speed, quickness, athleticism, talent, depth, experience and versatility on this team, anything less than winning our division and successfully competing for the Eastern conference title WOULD NOT be deemed a successful season in my eyes. However, with Woodson holding the team back with his stupid decisions, actions, habits, hangups and inability to employ strategies and make adjustments, especially during gms, it would be a very successful season. Why, because with Mike Woodson and his BS as our HC, it would be foolish to have higher EXPECTATIONS.

Ken Strickland

February 22nd, 2010
6:55 pm

DANIEL-one of the main problems Woodson had with former GM BKnight was his lack of involvement in player selection. Woodson doesn’t like youth, and BK wanted to build through the draft. Woody wanted to play a slow, halfcourt, jumpshooting style of OFF, while BK wanted an uptempo, factbreaking attacking the basket style of OFF. BK drafted the type of players best suited to playing the style he preferred, and wanted to a PG, like CP3 or DWilliams to execute the uptempo style he wanted the team to play. Woody was obviously opposed to the idea and openly questioned the ability of both PG’s to be effective at this level. That’s why he’s insisted on starting and giving heavy mins to over the hill vet PG’s like AJohnson, TLue and MBibby over much younger, quicker, faster, penetrating PG’s who played better DEF.

In your attempt to defend your beloved Woody and his repeated screwups, you’re now pretending you’re totally unaware of Woodson publically stated his desire to retain Smoove, Marvin, Bibby, Zaza, sign Joe Smith and draft JTeague.

rusty

February 22nd, 2010
8:37 pm

as much as win & loss records are important we can see how bad this team is coached,no ball movement jj dribbling to much & always looking for his shot,mismatches on defense ah&js defending against 6ft guards & being on the perimeter looking foolish. horrible substitutions,not developing the bench,just horrible offensive & defensive systems. a blind man would know how bad this team is coached