Hawks at Suns, AKA Stoudemire’s Still With Suns
Phoenix– There’s no doubt the Hawks caught a break on Wednesday when the Clippers traded away half their team and Baron Davis decided his back was too sore to play. Props to the Hawks for handling their business, but they will get no such break tonight.
After what seemed like months of speculation, the Suns didn’t trade Amar’e Stoudemire before the deadline. He talked with Suns brass over dinner last night and says he has no hard feelings.
So the Suns are at full strength except for Leandro Barbosa (wrist). They are also trying to hang onto a playoff spot in the Western Conference. No doubt they also remember this (dang that was my first game as beat guy and it seems like a year ago.)
The Hawks have to know what’s coming.
“We can’t come in here thinking it’s going to be like it was the other night,” Woody said.
– The Hawks want Zydrunas Ilgauskas. A lot still has to fall in place for that to happen. First, Ilgauskas has to be bought out. He’s not playing for the Wizards tonight, a sign that he will get his wish.
Once that happens, Z (don’t make me spell it anymore) somehow has to decide he doesn’t want to return to the Cavaliers, who drafted him 14 years ago and are tops in the Eastern Conference. If Z surprises everyone and passes on the Cavs, he then has to decide he wants to play for the Hawks.
And if that happens, it will mean less playing time for the Hawks’ current Z, Zaza. He said he wants burn like all guys do but he’s a pro and so he’d be cool with the another Z around.
“I know ‘Z’ personally,” Zaza said. “He’s a great guy, a good person. Everyone knows what he can do. He’s been in the league a long time. If the (Hawks) organization thinks that’s the right thing and it will help us, that’s fine with me.”
– More ASG drama this week. The AJC’s Kristi E. Schwartz reports that Bruce Levenson thinks Steve Belkin is evil. And Belkin must pay $2 million by Thursday to keep his stake in ASG, which he plans to do.
The most interesting part to me, because I’m not into drama, is that Schwartz reports “court documents say the Hawks and Thrashers have lost more than $174 million since the 2002-03 season, including $50 million in the past two years alone.”
That’s something to remember if the Hawks must decide whether to pay J.J. max money this summer.
– Talk amongst yourselves, Hawks fans.
MC
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332 comments Add your comment
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
9:03 pm
lets get it…
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
9:06 pm
ZaZa needs to get on his recruiting game…
O'Brien
February 19th, 2010
9:12 pm
Woody needs to keep a close eye on Bibby. If he doesn’t have it, get him out the game.
Coach D
February 19th, 2010
9:14 pm
3RD, 4TH OR 5TH! GO Hawks!!!!!!!!! Win the next 2 of 3 games & you’ve had a great road trip & awesome start to the second half of the season.
Big Z would be an awesome addition, but still realisticly, wouldn’t put us over the top.
BONE
February 19th, 2010
9:18 pm
This is gonna be a tuff game
MannyT
February 19th, 2010
9:22 pm
uh oh. I get nervous when I see the red unis.
@MC…the Mr. Evil link is a year old. Not that he’s nicer now, just not new.
I think Belkin needs to find someone to take his stake before he has to pony up the other $23.8 mil. The value of these teams isn’t on the rise and the Hawks are struggling to draw even in a good season.
That $2 mil could make him the king of an obscure sport. He could be Mr. Curling USA for that type of coin. Might even get his face on the unis
BWAF
KevinA
February 19th, 2010
9:22 pm
MC
post game thread an hr earlier please
Hoops
February 19th, 2010
9:24 pm
I hope I’m wrong, but Marvin has a bad look in his stride. IMO he needs to stretch more. His hamstrings are tight and that leads to undue pressure on his lower back. I hope I’m wrong.
Blast
February 19th, 2010
9:28 pm
Subs come in and Hawks have two back to back turovers.
Sid
February 19th, 2010
9:29 pm
if joe cuts to the basket he has a dunk there………
Sid
February 19th, 2010
9:30 pm
omg are they terrified of craw or what ??
niremetal
February 19th, 2010
9:30 pm
Alright, who slipped crack into Joe Smith’s morning coffee?
Hoops
February 19th, 2010
9:31 pm
Joe Smith looks energized!
Sid
February 19th, 2010
9:32 pm
Joe smith was starting to play well before the hand injury.He is really just now getting back into game shape after missing quite a few games
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
9:34 pm
thats the 2nd time this year thats happened… get a pg in the game..
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
9:35 pm
Joe Smith saying Z who..?
Hoops
February 19th, 2010
9:35 pm
How’s that a foul on Zaza???
BONE
February 19th, 2010
9:38 pm
LMAO @ Collins. Damn he made Marvin look super athletic LOL
KevinA
February 19th, 2010
9:38 pm
Joe smith – OMG – a nice suprise
Melvin
February 19th, 2010
9:38 pm
My gosh. Did Collins even leave the floor on his layup attempt…LMAO
Hoops
February 19th, 2010
9:38 pm
Collins looks winded after 30 seconds!
BONE
February 19th, 2010
9:39 pm
Yea Melvin I saw it too
Astro Joe
February 19th, 2010
9:42 pm
Dang, has Jason Collins made it to the basket yet? It took him about 23 seconds to get to the rim after he caught it from 8 feet out.
And y’all want him checking Howard? YIKES!
Ree Roe
February 19th, 2010
9:42 pm
Joe looks spry so far. Hope he keeps it up. Go Mavs & Blazers tonite as well. LMAO @ the Cavs tonite. Jamison JUST realized he’s playing for a title contender
-REEleasing the Roe!!!!
Melvin
February 19th, 2010
9:42 pm
I can’t wait to see the Dancing Cavs highlights to night. Say what? They won’t be dancing b/c they lost to the Bobcats……
Melvin
February 19th, 2010
9:44 pm
Look like we wont be seeing Teague tonight…
Melvin
February 19th, 2010
9:44 pm
Mo Evans defensive specialist my @$$…
iREPATL
February 19th, 2010
9:44 pm
MO EVANS IS SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
9:46 pm
lol… Bob… “maybe they allow that in Slovenia”
BONE
February 19th, 2010
9:47 pm
If the defense doesn’t improve we will lose
Blast
February 19th, 2010
9:48 pm
Hawks getting to the rim but not converting.
Sid
February 19th, 2010
9:48 pm
We are getting some good looks . We have got to start knocking them down
Astro Joe
February 19th, 2010
9:49 pm
Sund needs to offe Mo Evans $2.6M to turn down his $2.5M option. He can’t shoot and can’t defend.
And Woody wasn’t about to put Teague in there with Nash. Wise move.
Melvin
February 19th, 2010
9:49 pm
Yep. This team couldn’t use a player like Frye. The 2 million we are spending on Joe Smith and Collins was a better investment.
Astro Joe
February 19th, 2010
9:50 pm
Oh yeah, has Collins made it to the rim yet?
Hoops
February 19th, 2010
9:51 pm
Josh got all of that one!
Melvin
February 19th, 2010
9:51 pm
Just when I gave Frye some props he misses a dunk…. Please omit my 9:49 post…lol
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
9:52 pm
Bibby contest the shot as its going in the rim…
J.J.M.
February 19th, 2010
9:52 pm
.
wtf is bibby doin josh was wide open
BONE
February 19th, 2010
9:53 pm
Instead of passin’ the ball to an open Marvin, Bibby takes a dumb shot
Melvin
February 19th, 2010
9:53 pm
Astro,
And Bibby defense is better than Teague…
BONE
February 19th, 2010
9:54 pm
Why do all of Ducks shots rim out?
iREPATL
February 19th, 2010
9:54 pm
MARVIN SUCKS
Hoops
February 19th, 2010
9:55 pm
That’s a horrible call!
J.J.M.
February 19th, 2010
9:55 pm
come on refs
Melvin
February 19th, 2010
9:55 pm
Offensive foul! That should have been pass interference on Phx…
Blast
February 19th, 2010
9:55 pm
Hawks not getting the breaks from refs right now. As usual.
niremetal
February 19th, 2010
9:55 pm
Melvin,
When are you gonna get over Frye? He is Arizona born, bred, and college-educated. The Suns could offer him more minutes than the Hawks could. Only in your mind was there ever a prayer of him coming here.
Hoops
February 19th, 2010
9:56 pm
Get Teague in some!
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
9:57 pm
Teague guarding Nash? Oh heavens, no. He might learn something. Besides, why get your rookie torched when you can watch it happen to your veteran?
Truth is, Nash isn’t hurting us tonight. Yet. That honor belongs to Stoudamire.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2010
9:58 pm
Bibby hits Josh Smith on the pick and roll for a dunk. WHY THE HELL DO THE HAWKS NOT DO THIS MORE OFTEN?!??!?!!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!
Melvin
February 19th, 2010
9:59 pm
Bibby can make as many mistakes as he like but its ok b/c he’s a vet…
Hoops
February 19th, 2010
9:59 pm
Did you see the look Woody had for Bibby?
Blast
February 19th, 2010
9:59 pm
Bibby has had two bad passes at the rim so far.
Blast
February 19th, 2010
9:59 pm
Hawks not getting the breaks so far.
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
10:00 pm
good move Al!
Hoops
February 19th, 2010
10:01 pm
Is it just me or do the Hawks look really small vs. the Suns?
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
10:01 pm
The calls tonight are absolutely, unequivocally atrocious.
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
10:02 pm
Najeh ,
That was a rhetorical question, right?
Hoops
February 19th, 2010
10:02 pm
We need Big Z in the paint on defense!
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
10:02 pm
looks like all those double teams Phx ran at Jamal got him off his game a bit…
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
10:04 pm
Hoops ,
Yes, they do. Remember when people used to make fun of the two first round picks that we gave up in the Joe Johnson deal? Well, they turned out to be Rajon Rondo and…..Robin Lopez. Looks like the other Lopez is just as big as the more “famous” one. And it appears he is emerging from his shell. Of course, not having Shaq around and the Suns finally realizing that Channing Frye is an oversized small forward helped…
Melvin
February 19th, 2010
10:04 pm
Nire,
There’s nothing to get over. It’s my opinion. Just like it yours. Why does it bother you so much….
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2010
10:05 pm
A missed dunk followed by a 3. Five-point swing right there. That is a killer.
Hoops
February 19th, 2010
10:06 pm
That’s a 5 point turnaround!
niremetal
February 19th, 2010
10:06 pm
Najeh/Ray,
The pick-and-roll requires tons of repetition in practice to perfect for every pair that runs it. Now, some coaches (like, all the ones that win titles) might think this a play worth the effort. But we have a coach who “doesn’t give a sh!t about the offense.” My guess is that screen rolls are run in practice about as often as Collins eats a Weight Watchers meal.
Melvin
February 19th, 2010
10:06 pm
Josh get your butt back on defense. You already miss the dunk…
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
10:07 pm
this reminds me of one of those games where we have a couple players playing at 1 level and needing 1 more to join…
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
10:07 pm
Josh misses a wide open tomohawk jam and Bibby goes to the hole and draws the foul.
Somewhere Satan is checking his thermostat….
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
10:07 pm
LOL@ Nire
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
10:08 pm
35 seconds before smarmy reply to Nire from Astro Joe….
niremetal
February 19th, 2010
10:08 pm
Melvin,
Because your opinion is based on nothing but the fact that you like Channing Frye (or at least you haven’t cited a single reason why he’d come here over Phoenix). Mine is based on the realities of Frye’s entire life and the role that Phoenix could offer him. It bugs me that you keep bringing it up without offering any explanation as to why Frye would have ever considered moving across the country to take on a smaller role with the Hawks when his hometown team was offering him a shot at the starting spot.
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
10:08 pm
bigdave ,
I agree.
Hoops
February 19th, 2010
10:08 pm
nire,
LOL!!!
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
10:08 pm
that an Bibby is slow…
Melvin
February 19th, 2010
10:09 pm
The pick n roll with Bibby and Josh is working…
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2010
10:09 pm
Tyrus Thomas got 12 boards and 6 blocks in his Bobcats debut as they beat the Cavs by 17 points.
To be completely honest, they may be just as big of a motivating factor to avoid the #4 seed as the Cavs. I wouldn’t want to be the team that plays them in the first round.
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
10:10 pm
i swear Josh Smith is an All Star
Hoops
February 19th, 2010
10:10 pm
Now that’s a dunk!!!
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
10:10 pm
Uh… Nire … Melvin cheat you in a card game or something?
Blast
February 19th, 2010
10:11 pm
Sometimes Josh’s gambles backfires, but most times they are on the money.
Hoops
February 19th, 2010
10:12 pm
Isn’t it funny how much better the Hawks look when they make shots?
Melvin
February 19th, 2010
10:12 pm
Nice job by the Hawks to get the halftime lead…
iREPATL
February 19th, 2010
10:12 pm
LOVE HOW THE HALF ENDED, LETS GO
niremetal
February 19th, 2010
10:13 pm
Nah, Ray. I swore off cards after MannyT had a full house off the flop on four straight hands…
Astro Joe
February 19th, 2010
10:15 pm
Teague can learn at practice. I want Bibby running pick and roll with Josh and facilitating our offense. Against Phoenix, offensive efficiency is key.
Hoops
February 19th, 2010
10:15 pm
Dallas leads the Magic by 5 with 4:oo to go.
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
10:16 pm
Nice. Great charge by Joe and Josh to finish off the half and retake a skinny lead.
Good support off the bench by Joe Smith. We needed that from him with Horford in foul trouble.
On the bad side, our bench hasn’t done us much good overall, and with the exception of JJ (who is playing like the star that he is) and some nice pick and roll dimes from Bibby, our backcourt isn’t getting much of anything done. Apparently Phoenix remembers Jamal Crawford quite well, but they can’t cover both him and Joe.
That, and we need to ramp up our efforts on the glass.
Ree Roe
February 19th, 2010
10:16 pm
Great finish to the half for the Hawks to take the lead goin into halftime. Keep up the good work Hawks. Go Mavs too!
-REEmember the Roe!!!
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2010
10:18 pm
I know Horford had foul trouble, but Phoenix is really a poor rebounding team. There’s no reason why the Hawks should be getting out-rebounded by them. I realize the Hawks are leading, but they can’t play in the 2nd half like they did in the 1st and expect to win. If they can control the glass and stay with their man on defense they can pull this out.
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
10:18 pm
Astro Joe ,
True. Of course, our efficiency isn’t looking so good at the moment. We could use some more of that pick and roll, and I don’t care whether it’s the players not doing it or the coach not calling for it. We need it. Hard to win on the road while shooting 39% from the field, let alone against a good team, unless you are simply overpowering the other team with your defense. Needless to say, we aren’t doing the latter, which makes the former rather difficult.
Sam from da Swats
February 19th, 2010
10:19 pm
Great job Marvin, 4 points…that helps some.
Astro Joe
February 19th, 2010
10:19 pm
Who has bigger big man depth?
Chandler, Nazr, Diop, Tyrus, Diaw, Ratliff?
Horford, Smith, Zaza, Smith, Collins, RandMo?
We own the first two spots, but after that… oh well. Let’s hope the Bobcats and Cavs are the 1st round match-up.
Hoops
February 19th, 2010
10:21 pm
Mavs by 4 with 1:53 to go.
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
10:21 pm
And while I’m glad we have the lead, I’d rather this game NOT come down to a last second, buzzer-beating shot from half court.
That’s not to say that I wouldn’t come off the couch like a man who has been bitten in the ass by a snake, but all the same…
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2010
10:21 pm
In the Mavs-Magic game, Dwight Howard is currently shooting 56%, while the rest of the team is shooting 38%. Dwight has 27 points and 15 boards, and yet the Mavs are winning.
Something tells me they are not double teaming Dwight…
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
10:21 pm
Co-sign Najeh
Astro Joe
February 19th, 2010
10:22 pm
Ray, Phoenix got off to a red hot start that wasn;t sustainable. And like oneof the commentators said, Amare is good for getting in foul trouble. Hawks know how to grind out a win. If we turn this into a tight game, I like our chances… even with Crawford looking like he’s got a bum shoulder.
And who was that guy in the Joe Smith jersey earlier? He looked like the cat I wanted on this team during the summer.
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
10:22 pm
….on BOTH posts….
iREPATL
February 19th, 2010
10:22 pm
……HAYWOOD IS MAKING HIM WORK ON BOTH ENDS OF THE COURT AND NO THEY ARENT DOUBLING
Astro Joe
February 19th, 2010
10:23 pm
Najeh, Haywood has always played Howard well. Who would you propose we have single cover Howard?
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
10:23 pm
Astro ,
Hah! Yeah, I was thinking about ya when I saw him show up tonight. You’re more than right, that ain’t the guy we’ve seen most of this season, but I’m glad to see him tonight.
By the way, do you think if Jason Collins gave somebody a head fake, that his lips would still be facing forward, even while the rest of his head was turned? I do…..
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
10:25 pm
To me it’s not about single-covering Howard. It’s about stopping all those shooters when he starts going off. Howard doesn’t beat teams. His teammates do. Dude rarely gets 30 points, and often doesn’t get that close. He’ll get plenty of rebounds and block lots of shots.
But he can also get into foul trouble. We can’t cover him one on one and not have him post wonderful stats. The question is, can we stop the penetrators and shooters? That’s what Dallas is doing, and it’s why Washington stopped them twice this year.
Hoops
February 19th, 2010
10:25 pm
Dallas is up 9 with 51 sec. to go.
Melvin
February 19th, 2010
10:26 pm
Nire,
It’s my opinion; it doesn’t have to base on anything for your approval. Anyway, I said in the past maybe if the Hawks had made him a better offer , he would have sign here instead of Phx. Keep in mind that he’s coming off a rookie contract so it’s not like he made tons of millions dollars prior to him signing with Phx. So maybe money would have been a contributing factor to where he signed. What if two million from his hometown team was the best (or only) offer at the time? Did you ever thought about that. Heck, you mention you left ATL for various reasons, so maybe he wouldn’t mind leaving his hometown to work in his career just like you.
Nire you seem to be a smart guy but sometimes you need to consider others opinions and views. Sometimes you only see things your way but what if it’s the other way?
Hoops
February 19th, 2010
10:27 pm
Astro Joe,
How about Big Z?
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
10:28 pm
hats off to Woody for an effective use of double teams…
hopefully he continues implementing them throughout the year..
BONE
February 19th, 2010
10:29 pm
Man Bibby sucks
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2010
10:30 pm
AJ, I have no problem with the Hawks using their standard combination of Horford/Zaza/Joe Smith to single cover Dwight. The key bit of information there is that while Haywood might play Dwight Howard well one on one, Dwight tonight is still getting his statistically. His 27 points, 16 boards, and 5 blocks today are all well above his season averages.
I am trying to point out that Dwight’s success doesn’t necessarily equate to the success of the Magic. The key to beating them is clamping down on everyone else. The rest of the Magic are having mediocre games today, particularly their bench, which contributed nothing. JJ Redick, who burned the Hawks last time these two teams played, has zero points. The key to stopping them is not allowing people like him to get hot from the outside, and that has absolutely nothing to do with how well Horford or Zaza matches up on Howard.
Melvin
February 19th, 2010
10:31 pm
Mavs and Cavs lost tonight. Now Comeon Blazers with the trifecta… Oh yeah, we need the Hawks to win to take advantage of all of this…
Hoops
February 19th, 2010
10:31 pm
The Mavs win 95-85!!!
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
10:31 pm
what a blessing to be that tall and just get a check for it…
niremetal
February 19th, 2010
10:31 pm
Melvin,
There. It took you six months to say that. Because no, you did NOT mention any of that stuff before.
I respect people when they give an opinion and provide a basis for it. You don’t need my “approval” for anything, just like I don’t need your approval to press you for your reasoning. And I don’t need your approval to call you out when you fail to provide it.
I do consider others’ opinions and views. Hell, I do it for a living because I work for a judge. It’s my job to detect, expose, and weed out baseless opinions. I don’t turn off that mentality when I go home, which is why I generally don’t respect a person’s opinion if he doesn’t support it with anything.
Melvin
February 19th, 2010
10:32 pm
Dang, I knew we should have gotten Haywood. I think he’s undefeated against Dwight this season….lol
BONE
February 19th, 2010
10:32 pm
The Magic lost not the Mavs
niremetal
February 19th, 2010
10:33 pm
We had JJ on Hill and Marv on J-Rich in the first half and it was working well. Why did we switch?
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
10:35 pm
good contest Bibby..
wow… Josh is playing at a high level…
Hoops
February 19th, 2010
10:35 pm
That was a great defensive rotation by the Hawks using the double team on AS…
BONE
February 19th, 2010
10:35 pm
Joe overdribbling
Melvin
February 19th, 2010
10:35 pm
Lopez got away with a walk
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
10:36 pm
what was that?
Melvin
February 19th, 2010
10:36 pm
Damn Marvin, protect the ball….
Hoops
February 19th, 2010
10:37 pm
JOSH SMITH!!!
iREPATL
February 19th, 2010
10:37 pm
MARVIN IS A BUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
10:37 pm
Jamal forcing.
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
10:37 pm
Lopez complaining about being grounded by the league’s nastiest shot-blocker.
He should shut up since half of his points have come from traveling calls that haven’t been made…
niremetal
February 19th, 2010
10:38 pm
That was three straight awful offensive possessions by the Hawks.
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
10:38 pm
Jamal’s shot was pure ugly. Bring him back in the 4th quarter, where he tends to play better.
Astro Joe
February 19th, 2010
10:39 pm
najeh, I agree with the single coverage theory… I just don;t know that we can pull it off… but it is ALWAYS the way to go if possible.
But we haven’t scored 90 points against the Magic this season. I don;t think that we can count on a defensive strategy that would allow us to beat the Magic 87-85. We need to figure out how to score against those guys.
Melvin
February 19th, 2010
10:39 pm
Nire,
I did say the Hawks could have made a better offer than 2mil in the past… Feel free to reach it since you do it for a living…
Astro Joe
February 19th, 2010
10:39 pm
God awful shot by Crawford before the TO. I’m glad at least dvae noticed.
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
10:39 pm
JJ leading us in rebounds. Great effort on his part, but our bigs need to step it up.
BONE
February 19th, 2010
10:40 pm
U have Nimbers LOL
Melvin
February 19th, 2010
10:40 pm
Marvin was scare to drive to the hoop after being strip on the previous play…
Sam from da Swats
February 19th, 2010
10:40 pm
Noooooooooooooooooooooo, don’t pass to Marvin!!!
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
10:41 pm
man bring in Teague…
AND THERE IT IS
February 19th, 2010
10:41 pm
I do consider others’ opinions and views. Hell, I do it for a living because I work for a judge. It’s my job to detect, expose, and weed out baseless opinions. I don’t turn off that mentality when I go home, which is why I generally don’t respect a person’s opinion if he doesn’t support it with anything.
BONE
February 19th, 2010
10:41 pm
Damn Marvin is just messin everything up
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2010
10:41 pm
“Jamal forcing” is right.
Melvin
February 19th, 2010
10:41 pm
Jamal is struggling tonight…
Hoops
February 19th, 2010
10:41 pm
Get Marvin out of there!
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
10:42 pm
like i said… dude just gets a check for being tall… his brother is decent but he is garbage.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2010
10:42 pm
Finally Crawford wakes up. That was a great shot.
Melvin
February 19th, 2010
10:42 pm
Hopefully that AND1 basket can get Jamal going…
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
10:42 pm
Holy crap, man. Is there a guard on the Hawks roster not named JJ who can do something besides go 1 for 6???
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
10:43 pm
Jamal should have shot that…
Astro Joe
February 19th, 2010
10:43 pm
So is it our outstanding switching defense or great on-ball defense by Bibby and Joe that has Nash and J-Rich a combined 3-13 tonight?
Never mind.
BONE
February 19th, 2010
10:43 pm
Uh oh
niremetal
February 19th, 2010
10:43 pm
11 players have played tonight. The 1 who hasn’t…
Jeff Teague. Surprise, surprise.
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
10:44 pm
bigdave ,
Not to belabor the point, but being tall seems to be helping him against us. 12 and 7 isn’t too shabby. I’m not endorsing him as a great or even good center, though.
Hoops
February 19th, 2010
10:44 pm
We need Joe Smith!
falcons pick spoon
February 19th, 2010
10:44 pm
Why is everyone so critical on Marvin? He’s an average scorer and a superb defender what’s the problem, i mean I know we drafted him over Deron but we have to get over it sometime. On another note mite as well call Bibby Mr Waldo cause we sure as hell can’t find him on defense
Melvin
February 19th, 2010
10:44 pm
Too many jumpshots… Go back to the pick n roll….
iREPATL
February 19th, 2010
10:44 pm
JAMAL AINT GOT IT TONIGHT BUT ID RATHERT HAVE HIM N THAN MARVIN
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
10:45 pm
this reminds me of the OKC game… w/ combined efforts from Josh and Joe equaling Joe’s solo performance… we need this win though… but we have to find consistent baskets from someone…
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
10:45 pm
Astro Joe ,
Heh, heh, heh…..ever hear of a bad shooting night? Nah, never happens…. But yeah, I’d love to chalk that up to our switch defense. If only that was a consistent explanation.
Hoops
February 19th, 2010
10:46 pm
Anyone think Marvin will get traded this Summer?
Where Is Jeff
February 19th, 2010
10:46 pm
Not claiming to be an NBA coach but isnt this the type of game where Jeff Teague would flourish a little, would like to see more of the lil’ guy
iREPATL
February 19th, 2010
10:46 pm
MARVINS D IS OVERRATED AND SO IS HIS O, HE USED TO BE MY BOY, LST YEAR B4 HE GOT HURT I THOUGHT HE WAS TURNIN THE CORNER TO BECOME SOMETHING MORE, BUT NOW HES NOT “EVEN” AN AVERAGE SCORER
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2010
10:46 pm
Everyone other than Joe and Josh is stinking it up from the floor. The rest of the team is shooting under 25% for the game. I know Joe bricked it on that last possession, but the ball needs to continue to move the way it did there.
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
10:47 pm
Ray…
absolutely, i agree. being tall helps him against everyone he faces. like i said must be a blessing… but the skill level… mmmmmm…i dunno… he’s missed quite a few bunnies, and looked bad ok… ugly in the process…
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
10:47 pm
Since Phoenix doesn’t employ the all-powerful switch defense, I wonder why Jamal and Bibby are shooting a combined 2 for 13? Huh….
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
10:48 pm
let josh inbound…!!
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2010
10:48 pm
You can criticize Robin Lopez for “just being tall” if you want, but tall, athletic effort players like him have always had a place in the NBA. A player like him on the Hawks certainly wouldn’t hurt.
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
10:48 pm
bigdave,
I hear ya. Dude is still a project. But he’s a better center than Frye, which the Suns have finally figured out.
niremetal
February 19th, 2010
10:48 pm
What the hell kind of a pass was that?
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
10:49 pm
Najeh…
thats exactly my point.
Blast
February 19th, 2010
10:49 pm
If Jamal can catch fire, Hawks will be good, but they have to take advantage.
Hoops
February 19th, 2010
10:49 pm
If the defense knocks the ball out of bounds, the shot clock should be set to 5 seconds if there is less on there. JMO
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2010
10:49 pm
Phoenix scores on the offensive board. That’s 10 offensive boards for them today. Probably the most unacceptable stat of the day right there.
Melvin
February 19th, 2010
10:50 pm
Woody is being school again tonight. Nash and Amare are resting on the bench for the 4th qtr stretch run and we have our best lineup in at the end of the 3rd qtr.
Where Is Jeff
February 19th, 2010
10:50 pm
HEEEEEEEEEEEERe’s Marvin
iREPATL
February 19th, 2010
10:51 pm
ID TRADE BIBBY FOR DRAGIC STRAIGHT UP LOOOOOOL
Hoops
February 19th, 2010
10:51 pm
Nice shot by Hill.
Where Is Jeff
February 19th, 2010
10:51 pm
Gotta love Marvin lol
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2010
10:51 pm
Marvin actually defended that pretty well, I know he jumped, but he jumped straight in the air. Pretty late whistle.
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
10:51 pm
i cant believe Woody with all the doubling… i thought he only doubled D. Howard…
i like.
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
10:51 pm
damn what a shot.
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
10:51 pm
I don’t know about Jamal catching fire. Dude’s shoulder is clearly hurting him still.
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
10:52 pm
Big Ray…
Frye a center…?…??…?
Where Is Jeff
February 19th, 2010
10:53 pm
man while nash and amare are on the bench, put in Teague and pick up the pace, but ya gotta let him play pg
Hoops
February 19th, 2010
10:53 pm
Give Teague some burn!!!
Where Is Jeff
February 19th, 2010
10:53 pm
Man gotta win this one to close the gap on the magic
Astro Joe
February 19th, 2010
10:54 pm
Big Ray, but why is it when we have a “bad shooting night” bloggers blame it on the head coach and his lack of interest in offense? Can you have it both ways?
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2010
10:55 pm
By the way, for those of you who are still in the camp that says playing Teague is not important, just look at tape of Goran Dragic at the beginning of last year compared to where he is now. Last November I would have said he can’t even start in Europe. Now people are suggesting he’s better than our starting point guard (not saying I agree, but the point is he’s good). That kind of improvement only occurs with playing time. Dragic started out getting DNP-CDs and garbage time minutes early last year, but as the year went along they played him more, and that resulted in building his confidence. Teague’s minutes, on the other hand, have gone in the opposite direction.
Astro Joe
February 19th, 2010
10:55 pm
Which “second” All Star shows up big in 4th quarter? Both Horford and Nash are struggling while Joe and Amare are doing well. Game goes to team whose 2nd All-Star plays best for last 12 minutes.
Melvin
February 19th, 2010
10:55 pm
What do you know, we scored on a pick n roll play to start the 4th
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
10:55 pm
Big Al!
niremetal
February 19th, 2010
10:56 pm
Grant Hill pulling the Pierce – waiting until the defender jumps straight up (which he’s allowed to do), and then sneaking under him so it looks like the defender jumped at him. Joey Crawford was closest and didn’t call anything. The official with the worst angle then came in with the late whistle.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2010
10:56 pm
Nice move Big Al.
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
10:56 pm
there u go Al!!!!
he letting someone on the Suns bench know…
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
10:57 pm
Astro Joe ,
Of course you can! This is a blog, where YOU been?
Blast
February 19th, 2010
10:58 pm
AL, Josh, and even Marvin gets more fouls on the block than Joe does.
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
10:58 pm
i thought Joe was going to have to take himself out…
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
10:58 pm
By the way, for those of you who are still in the camp that says playing Teague is not important, just look at tape of Goran Dragic at the beginning of last year compared to where he is now. Last November I would have said he can’t even start in Europe. Now people are suggesting he’s better than our starting point guard (not saying I agree, but the point is he’s good). That kind of improvement only occurs with playing time. Dragic started out getting DNP-CDs and garbage time minutes early last year, but as the year went along they played him more, and that resulted in building his confidence. Teague’s minutes, on the other hand, have gone in the opposite direction.
Co-sign, Co-sign, Co-sign, Co-sign, Co-sign, Co-sign, Co-sign, Co-sign, Co-sign….
Melvin
February 19th, 2010
10:58 pm
Najeh,
Forget playing Teague can we see ZaZa and Joe Smith on the court in the 2nd half….
niremetal
February 19th, 2010
10:58 pm
Woody giving JJ a breather early in the 4th while he was laboring a bit. Good.
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
10:59 pm
damn what a pass…
J.J.M.
February 19th, 2010
10:59 pm
hawks gonna lose
BONE
February 19th, 2010
10:59 pm
Now the hawks are just playin stupid
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
10:59 pm
Suns on a run. We’re in trouble.
Ole Hawk's Fan
February 19th, 2010
10:59 pm
Gotta make those free throws. No ball movement on offense……….too much dribbling. It’s JJ time to ISO!
Blast
February 19th, 2010
10:59 pm
Hawks, you have to win this game!
Where Is Jeff
February 19th, 2010
11:00 pm
only way any player gets better in this league is with consistent playing time, this whole season has been a setback for Teague, not sayin he is the answer but right now we just don’t know, and when he gets in he doesnt get to run the team, he basically brings it up and gives it to crawford
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
11:01 pm
i cant believe Steve Nash’s stat line… is that a season worse?
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2010
11:01 pm
In other news, apparently Yahoo thinks the Grizzlies changed their logo to Shaq’s face…
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
11:01 pm
Good timeout by Woody. Did I just say that?
Astro Joe
February 19th, 2010
11:02 pm
So no matter how bad a youngster performs in practice, he should get consistent playing time? No matter how poorly he picks up on strategies, throw him out there to facilitate the offense?
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
11:03 pm
i know Jamal is 100lbs. but does he ever even try to box out?
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2010
11:03 pm
Another brick for Jamal. Lou Amundson, of all people, gets an offensive board and a putback on the other end. The offensive boards are just killing the Hawks. This one’s slipping away.
Hoops
February 19th, 2010
11:03 pm
Can somebody block out???
Mac-Town'z Finest 478
February 19th, 2010
11:03 pm
Just look at Woodson’s ISO offense. You have Josh Smith attempting to play out of his game, trying to go between the legs and crossing over people during a crucial point in the 4th quarter, resulting in a wild shot and 2 back the other way. Not to mention the momentum. This team looks too clueless in the 4th too many times.
Where Is Jeff
February 19th, 2010
11:03 pm
GO TO THE BASKET GUYS
Hoops
February 19th, 2010
11:04 pm
We need to sub. This group is not working well together.
Where Is Jeff
February 19th, 2010
11:05 pm
WOW 4 in a row
Sam from da Swats
February 19th, 2010
11:05 pm
Here we go with the scoring droughts. This is what really hurts us. Amidst everything else that may be a weakness, this is what the Hawks need to work on. These damn scoring droughts.
Astro Joe
February 19th, 2010
11:05 pm
I hate it when we get killed on our defensive boards.
J.J.M.
February 19th, 2010
11:05 pm
this game is over
richbrave
February 19th, 2010
11:05 pm
richbrave
February 19th, 2010
11:00 pm
Astro Joe
February 19th, 2010
8:37 am
I like McGuire, he’s a very strong defender who would have been a huge upgrade over Mo in terms of defending bigger SFs behind Marvin. And he is also a great rebounder at the SF position.
Me too JOE. He never got too much of a shot. I think his weakness from my personal observation was being a little slow a-foot, and not particularly quick hands. But a solid role player in my book. His board work could be first class.
But tonight I don’t miss him at all. Or ILGAUSKAS, GOODEN, JAMISON, BUTLER, STEVENSON or HAYWOOD.
WIZ bamboozle the NUGGETS with a line-up the entire fourth of JAMES SINGLETON, JOSH HOWARD, AL THORNTON, NICK YOUNG and EARL BOYKINS. The energy and defense were tremendous. The WIZ are going to lose out on the lottery at this rate. And earlier ‘DRAY BLATCHE and JaVALE McGEE showed everyone why they will be keepers in WIZARDS uni’s.
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
11:06 pm
Dragic is a hell of a pg
Mac-Town'z Finest 478
February 19th, 2010
11:06 pm
If we cant stop the Suns backup Center “Louis Amundson” at crucial junctures in the 4th Quarter of a game, I’m going to hate to see our post players against the Cavs nd Magic in the playoffs.
BONE
February 19th, 2010
11:06 pm
I think this game is over
Where Is Jeff
February 19th, 2010
11:06 pm
ok, time to finish this game strong, they don’t play defense, go at them, don’t settle for jumpshots
Melvin
February 19th, 2010
11:06 pm
Horford missing free throws. I wonder if he’s tired may have cross Woody’s mind….
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
11:07 pm
predictable.
BONE
February 19th, 2010
11:07 pm
Yep, good night guys I’m not watchin this no more.
Hoops
February 19th, 2010
11:07 pm
This is a bad defensive group together!
Where Is Jeff
February 19th, 2010
11:07 pm
its over when scrubs are having their way with starters
Ole Hawk's Fan
February 19th, 2010
11:07 pm
Turn out the lights……………………
Mac-Town'z Finest 478
February 19th, 2010
11:08 pm
What’s that? Teams actually running offensive sets and having players cutting to the basket results in points??? No way.
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
11:08 pm
Bibby w/ 36 min?
niremetal
February 19th, 2010
11:08 pm
Hey Woody,
The Phoenix freaking Suns are holding your team to 38% shooting and there is no spacing whatsoever. Still don’t give a sh!t about the offense?
buick59
February 19th, 2010
11:09 pm
fun to watch a team that knows how to run an offense. Hawks are lazy bunch of hot dogs. Hot dogs don’t win championships. Going nowhere.
SUND
February 19th, 2010
11:09 pm
I’m completely content with this core.
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
11:09 pm
That’s what you call letting your young pg learn from his mistakes. Dragic committs a shot clock violation. Comes back and makes a great pass, which led to a foul on our center.
I wonder, did Dragic “earn” the playing time in practice, or is his coach just a fool for playing him?
Blast
February 19th, 2010
11:10 pm
This game is just about over. Hawks have missed on a lot of of opportunities. This was the hardest game on this road trip. Hawks hsve to come out refocused. Only good thing is Orlando lost tonight.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2010
11:10 pm
“No matter how poorly he picks up on strategies, throw him out there to facilitate the offense?”
No, throw him out there so he can learn from his mistakes and improve. Like I’ve pointed out before, good teams — even championship teams — do this all the time and live with the rookie mistakes so that it will benefit them in the future. Rajon Rondo, Ty Lawson, Goran Dragic, George Hill, JJ Barea… all of these players got steadily increasing playing time early in their careers on good teams and have shown marked improvement, without costing their teams victories. And I only named point guards. I didn’t even get to the other positions.
Of course Teague is going to make mistakes if he plays. But the status quo on Teague camp is somehow unwilling to tolerate mistakes by Teague and yet completely willing to tolerate multiple mistakes by Bibby and Crawford. That part makes no sense to me. In three years Teague is the most likely player to remain on this roster.
tjhook
February 19th, 2010
11:10 pm
going back to the Ilgauskaus deal, I think he should consider going to the Spurs. Clearly they need some post help and he would get all the time playing he would ever want.
buick59
February 19th, 2010
11:10 pm
Bibby really needs to hang it up.
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
11:10 pm
Meanwhile there is no efficiency whatsoever to our offense.
Bibby turns the ball over. Hey look, Dragic is still in the game. Gentry MUST be an idiot.
Melvin
February 19th, 2010
11:11 pm
Hawks legs look shot. They are a step slow in every facet of the game right now…
Astro Joe
February 19th, 2010
11:11 pm
richbrave, good for you guys. And I saw that Al Thornton got his first assist of the season… no not as a Wizard, but as an NBA player.. this season. (Just kidding, but the youngster is a black-hole).
Oh well, Hawks are having, what is it again, oh yeah, a bad shooting quarter.
And it would have been nice of Joe Smith got some run in the 3rd quarter. Maybe even Zaza. Woody’s habit of not playing certain guys in the 2nd half hurts when we’re on the road.
richbrave
February 19th, 2010
11:12 pm
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
10:25 pm
To me it’s not about single-covering Howard. It’s about stopping all those shooters when he starts going off. Howard doesn’t beat teams. His teammates do. Dude rarely gets 30 points, and often doesn’t get that close. He’ll get plenty of rebounds and block lots of shots.
But he can also get into foul trouble. We can’t cover him one on one and not have him post wonderful stats. The question is, can we stop the penetrators and shooters? That’s what Dallas is doing, and it’s why Washington stopped them twice this year.
On the money RAY. They would play HOWARD straight up with HAYWOOD until SUPERMAN would score twice in a row, then the defense would rotate over in help defense until HOWARD would become frustrated, usually after two or three plays in succession. The WIZ would then revert to their normal defense and stop the penetration. This they did both games throughout. It worked to perfection.
niremetal
February 19th, 2010
11:12 pm
Boy, did Crawford get away with a poor defensive play there…
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
11:12 pm
Another no call leads to another momentum boost for the other team. Great.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2010
11:13 pm
Also, your statement implying that Teague can’t pick up on strategies assumes that the Hawks have a strategy. Woodson has all but admitted that they don’t, at least not on offense.
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
11:13 pm
them boys tiiiired…
buick59
February 19th, 2010
11:13 pm
prediction: they will lose 1st round either to Raptors or Bulls.
iREPATL
February 19th, 2010
11:13 pm
SO NOW BIBBY WANTS TO DRIVE LIKE TONY PARKER…
Melvin
February 19th, 2010
11:14 pm
My gosh, Amare comes back in the game at the 4 min mark of the 4th qtr. You think he will have fresh legs
Mac-Town'z Finest 478
February 19th, 2010
11:14 pm
It seems like this team loses focus way too much in the 4th quarter when crunch time comes around, especially if things arent going right from the jump. They start looking discombobulated and just start firing tough jumpers. With no real offensive sets, I guess we’ just have to hope these shots fall. There’s no kind of structure out there. It looks like random guys hoopin at a local neighborhood gym on offense.
Ole Hawk's Fan
February 19th, 2010
11:14 pm
Two top plays out of this game on Sport Center tonight………………..and weak drive to the basket by BIBBY!
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
11:15 pm
Bob Rathbun makes mention that Nash still isn’t in the game. ‘Nique notes that Nash hasn’t played well, and Dragic has been allowed to stay in the game, probably because of that.
What kind of coach does these things? Heh…
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
11:15 pm
late being the key word Bob…
Melvin
February 19th, 2010
11:15 pm
Untimely turn over by Josh…
richbrave
February 19th, 2010
11:15 pm
buick59
February 19th, 2010
11:09 pm
fun to watch a team that knows how to run an offense. Hawks are lazy bunch of hot dogs. Hot dogs don’t win championships. Going nowhere
Well, that was certainly true in D.C.
Astro Joe
February 19th, 2010
11:15 pm
“At least he was trying to make something happen…”
niremetal
February 19th, 2010
11:15 pm
Yeah, no one saw that one coming.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2010
11:16 pm
Bob Rathbun and Dominique Wilkins keep wondering how the Suns are pulling away without Nash and Amare on the floor. The answer is easy — they are winning on effort and smarts, not on skill. Rebounding and turnovers (like that last atrocity by Josh Smith) have absolutely killed the Hawks in this game. Dragic, Dudley, Amundson, etc. are the ones winning this game for the Suns.
On a day the Magic lost, for the Hawks to crash and burn like this in a very winnable game is just pathetic.
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
11:16 pm
no seriously i dont use tired as an excuse…
but heavy mins.. a short bench.. against the up and down Suns… had a nice rotation going early… what happened?
falcons pick spoon
February 19th, 2010
11:16 pm
i swear josh has been everything we asked for plus more but someone must tell him he’s not a point guard
niremetal
February 19th, 2010
11:17 pm
Najeh,
I didn’t even notice that the first time, but that Yahoo box score image is funny as hell.
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
11:17 pm
Looks like the Suns are going to win this one going away, with the world’s best point guard playing badly, his rookie backup getting big minutes, and us getting pounded on the boards.
Josh and Joe are the only Hawks playing decently. Joe Smith is sentenced to the bench for the remainder of the game for playing well in the first half while Al Horford continues to struggle.
Lost opportunity, and no Jamal to save us this time. Shame….
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
11:17 pm
lol… at the series of looks on Woodsons face…
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
11:18 pm
boy that Josh Smith… a smart ass!
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
11:18 pm
falcons pick spoon ,
I agree. But what’s our point guard doing? Oh, that’s right. Matching each assist with a turnover….
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
11:19 pm
airball 3.
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
11:19 pm
‘Nique says, “That may be it.”
Is ‘Nique watching the game, or is he watching the play delay tape on a laptop?
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2010
11:20 pm
“prediction: they will lose 1st round either to Raptors or Bulls.”
No, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the Bobcats pulled a 4-5 upset if the seeds shook out that way.
That’s why these games are so important. Losing winnable games costs you seeding. If the Hawks end up losing the division by 1 game and end up either getting upset in Round 1 or drawing the Cavs in Round 2, they can look back on games like this and blame themselves.
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
11:20 pm
we so concerned w/ switching by the time a shot is put up, we cant find a man to box out…
Dan
February 19th, 2010
11:20 pm
Is Josh Smith Stupid or just simply retarded?
Ole Hawk's Fan
February 19th, 2010
11:21 pm
Marvin your teamates are in red uniforms similar to your……………….DAMN!
Blast
February 19th, 2010
11:21 pm
Ballgame. Hawks never got the bounce of the ball!!
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2010
11:22 pm
You gotta be kidding. The karma from that terrible game the Hawks played and pulled out in the end on Crawford’s buzzer beater is coming back to bite the Hawks in the azz. This 4th quarter looks like one of those games in the Madden video games where the computer decides it’s going to win the game and you can’t do anything to stop it.
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
11:22 pm
As I watch Al Horford brick more free throws….I wonder…
What did Jeff Teague learn tonight?
Dan
February 19th, 2010
11:22 pm
I take that back the retarded one is clearly Marvin Williams!!!!
tjhook
February 19th, 2010
11:23 pm
Newsflash: Larry Hughes may be brought out of his contract to become a free agent. Who believes he could be a great addition to the Hawks? I think he could take the role as a replacement for both guard slots, even allowing Joe to slide to the three position. I also think he played with Jamal in the past. Someone help me on this. But who’s for starting a movement to bring him in if he is let go by the Kings?
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
11:23 pm
i mean looking at it… on the defensive glass we have 2 guys down low to their 3…
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
11:23 pm
LOL…. Najeh that’s both funny and sick/sad at the same time. Good one…
Night y’all….
niremetal
February 19th, 2010
11:23 pm
We got outrebounded 50-36, and the Suns got 15 offensive rebounds. Ballgame was lost there.
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
11:24 pm
Nire ,
I believe it’s possible to be both…
Big Ray
February 19th, 2010
11:24 pm
We got outrebounded 50-36, and the Suns got 15 offensive rebounds. Ballgame was lost there.
Amen….
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2010
11:24 pm
“Larry Hughes may be brought out of his contract to become a free agent. Who believes he could be a great addition to the Hawks? ”
I would like to direct you to the following website:
http://heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com/
Sid
February 19th, 2010
11:25 pm
There have been enough dumb plays in the 4th to cover the rest of the season.
talk about self checking …..wow
niremetal
February 19th, 2010
11:25 pm
Oh, and the only player on our team with more assists than turnovers tonight was Zaza.
Dan
February 19th, 2010
11:25 pm
Hawks close to 30 points total in the second half sums it up!
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
11:26 pm
what you dont know is miss lady in the back is texting me…
BosnianBaller
February 19th, 2010
11:26 pm
how does marvin get paid 7 mil per?
darrell starks
February 19th, 2010
11:26 pm
People always ask why dont woody get and exstiontion, first of all he 2 inconsistent as a coach and he look crazy over there with no eyebrows.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
Mac-Town'z Finest 478
February 19th, 2010
11:26 pm
This is what kills me about the Hawks. Of course you’re going to lose sometimes, but it’s one thing to lose a game in which you didnt really play all that poorly, but the other team just simply out executed you…and it’s another thing to just look so completely lost and lacking effort. A .500 team shouldnt look like that often, let alone one fighting for a division.
The only thing that looks great in these 4th quarter meltdowns is that Crawford displays that he has the rocks and ability to knockdown key, momentum changing shots MUCH more efficiently than anyone else on the team.
iREPATL
February 19th, 2010
11:27 pm
MARVIN SUCKS, COMING FROM A FORMER MARVIN SUPPORTER…I HAVE HIS JERSEY…..NOW I MAY BURN IT
sam'l
February 19th, 2010
11:27 pm
Enter your comments here
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2010
11:28 pm
Boston leads Portland by 13. A Celtics win leaves Atlanta in sole possession of 4th place.
Astro Joe
February 19th, 2010
11:28 pm
Najeh, if Woody is on a one year contract and doesn’t play the rookie whom his boss drafted and is holding him down for no other reason than stubbornness, then Woody is requesting that his boss not renew his contract in a few months. That’s my theory. It is borne out of “self-preservation” and a belief that Sund and his assistants have a view into what happens at practice. Naturally, I could be wrong. But given the history of the other guards who have come and gone, I am willing to stand by my theory.
The notion that all plants grow at the same rate with the same amount of water and sun is wrong. Maybe Teague needs to learn some basic basketball skills in practice first. Heaven knows, that was true of Josh Smith, but we didn’t have the luxury of having him sit. So instead, he took shots that he had less than a 30% chance of hitting and we endured it all. We read articles this year where he admits that he had no concept of time and situation in his first few years in the league and yet he was on the court. Learning? Sure, but we had nothing to lose at the time and no depth to provide a different option. I’m thrilled that we now have enough depth that we can nurture a guy at practice without rewarding him for bad habits demonstrated at practice.
I don’t disagree that we need better PG play, I just don’t make that statement and assume that Teague is the answer. Given Woody’s contract situation, I’m guessing he isn’t close to providing an upgrade.
We thought similar things about Acie’s development last season and Sund made his choice and Acie has now been traded twice since leaving Atlanta and is well on his way to being Kevin Ollie. Sometimes the guys who have access to the goings-on at practice know more than we do.
bigdave
February 19th, 2010
11:28 pm
iREP…
need a light?
niremetal
February 19th, 2010
11:29 pm
“What I’m telling you guys is that if you guys will just consistently do what we’re asking you to do on defense, we’ll win games. I don’t give a sh!t about the offense; you guys can score more than enough points to win games. The offense isn’t the problem. But you have to get stops on defense, and if you’ll listen to what we’re telling you, I promise you’ll get stops.
Well Woody, we got the stops. We held the Suns – the league’s most efficient offense – to 88 points.
Too bad we didn’t score or rebound.
iREPATL
February 19th, 2010
11:29 pm
@DAVE
APPRECIATE IT
****JERSEY BURNS N BACKGROUND***
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2010
11:30 pm
“This is what kills me about the Hawks. Of course you’re going to lose sometimes, but it’s one thing to lose a game in which you didnt really play all that poorly, but the other team just simply out executed you…and it’s another thing to just look so completely lost and lacking effort. A .500 team shouldnt look like that often, let alone one fighting for a division.”
Co-freaking-sign. Games like this are why I laugh when I see blog posts like the one a few days ago asking whether the Hawks are legit contenders now. Hell freaking no they are not, and it has nothing to do with personnel and everything to do with mentality.
Ole Hawk's Fan
February 19th, 2010
11:30 pm
Bob Rathburn said only Woody played 6 payers……………………….Suns played 10. That’s Da Coach Decision…………………WTF? But in defense of Woody……………….why in Da Hell Is Jason Collins on this TEAM. I see why he has a lot of DNP! Where is the kid from Augusta State? Plus he would be cheaper. B RING HIM BACK AND RELEASE COLLINS!
darrell starks
February 19th, 2010
11:31 pm
How in the h you expect 2 win with a 6 man rotation in the second half, and your bench played well in the first half woody is A MR POTATOE HEAD.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
Dan
February 19th, 2010
11:31 pm
Yeah, Jeff Teague playing more is the answer to all the Hawks problems, gimme a break. The kid is lost and scared out there.
niremetal
February 19th, 2010
11:32 pm
39.5% from the floor. 21.4% from deep. 68% from the line. Outrebounded 50-36. But that’s ok. We got the stops. And the sh!t works, right Woody?
Night, all.
Astro Joe
February 19th, 2010
11:33 pm
Suns recover around 33% of their missed shots, Hawks only grabbed about 20% of our misses. Inability to grab offensive boards (or stop the other team from doing the same) strikes again.
While I admire players who play hurt, I almost wish that Jamal would allow his shoulder to heal if he is still banged up. And I thought the same when Al was struggling after that karate chop delivered against Houston to his hand.
Hawks v. Suns
February 19th, 2010
11:34 pm
How do you score 27 in the 2nd but only 14 in the 4th?
These Hawks are good at 1 step forward, 2 steps backward.
sam'l
February 19th, 2010
11:34 pm
I’m going to simply forget about this game. Wait, I think I’ll blame………..I was going to blame Woody but maybe J. Crawford isn’t healed up yet…..Still….there should be a backup plan…..Hawks should look smarter…..they need cuts and picks and rolls and catch and shoot strategy….Yeah, I think as unfair as it sounds, I would bring in a new coach…..BEFORE THE NEXT GAME…..They really do have the talent to win games like this…….They need a tactical leader…..Oh and by the way, a new radio announcer who can do more than say over and over again, “It’s just not happening tonight folks!” I don’t think I’m a hater, I just think there must be a better way to do this………g’night
BosnianBaller
February 19th, 2010
11:36 pm
Teague could still be a good player.dragic was really really horrible his rookie year now he’s pretty good
darrell starks
February 19th, 2010
11:36 pm
JOE SMITH 6MIN
M EVANS 6MIN
ZAZA 4MIN
TEAGUE 0MIN
HOW RETARTED IS THAT AS COACH THIS IS WHY I SAY LET GET AVERY JOHNSON.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!
Astro Joe
February 19th, 2010
11:39 pm
MC>/strong>, any chance you can ask why Woody doesn’t seem to use 1st half performance to factor into his second half rotation? Once you’ve been around for a while, you will quickly see a pattern where player A does well off the bench (oh yeah, player A is anyone on the bench not named Jamal) on the first half but sits there for the remainder of a tight second half in his sweatsuit. Heck, if the other team makes an sdjustment that makes that player ineffective the next time out, sit him down. But at least challenge them to make that adjustment. Very frustrating to see the good guys run out of gas after someone like Joe Smith finally shows up big in the first half.
ILL-logical
February 19th, 2010
11:41 pm
That inbounds pass by Marvin is inexcusable- middle school player woudn’t have made that pass!
That guy cannot be a starter in the NBA.
iREPATL
February 19th, 2010
11:41 pm
COSIGNED @DARRELL
O'Brien
February 19th, 2010
11:41 pm
Astro,
Woody has implied that Teague has played well in practice. He said he is choosing not to play Teague because of the veterans in front of him. Not once has Woody said Teague is not ready.
And on a night when Bibby plays 39 minutes, goes 1-8 from the field, scored 6 points and 2 assists, you mean Teague would have done worse than that?
Bad night for Hawks all around. Marvin Williams, 6 pts, 2 rebounds, with only 5 shots in 34 minutes? While his opposite Grant Hill gets 16 and 5. Bibby was bad, we missed 8 FT, got outrebounded by 14, went 3-14 fom 3.
But hey, no need to worry about offense. Its all about defense, right Woody? At what point does he get concerned about our 4th quarter scoring woes?
Grandad
February 19th, 2010
11:43 pm
buick59 said: “Bibby needs to hang ‘em up” if he did, Wdsn would play with four before he would let Teague in the game.
darrell starks
February 19th, 2010
11:43 pm
DAN bibby is horrible 40percent from the field this year no defense plus he have 1 leg.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!
Astro Joe
February 19th, 2010
11:48 pm
OB, didn’t Woody say that the reason Teague wasn’t playing in Rookie game because Woody didn’t play him more? Woody says all kind of ish to make a player feel good. I don’t believe that stuff and I’m not sure that you should either. Unless you actually believe that had Teague played 15-20 minutes a game, he would have gotten the nod over Tyreke Evans or Stephen Curry.
Woody is not the type of coach to say “the rook sucks at practice”. Phil Jackson would. Larry Brown would have Teague in a corner crying on the phone to his mother. George Karl would stop talking to him altogether. But Woody that’s not Woody’s style.
darrell starks
February 19th, 2010
11:49 pm
Any 1 one who says we dont need a center dont no basketball tonight was a prime example that a center is mandatory.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!
Astro Joe
February 19th, 2010
11:53 pm
OB, if a PG with Bibby’s pedigree was playing against us, let’s call him Andre Miller, and he was having a bad 3 quarters and the game was tight in the 4th… don’t you think the opposing coach would still trust Miller to run the club for the final push?
Teague look horrible in his last game out. It’s not about “could he do better” it’s about has he earned the right to be on the floor. Woody’s boss is watching.
Dan
February 19th, 2010
11:55 pm
As bad as Bibby’s played most of the year, take him out of the team and the Hawks are at best a .500 team. Thats a fact!!
Astro Joe
February 19th, 2010
11:57 pm
Woody didn’t lose that game by not playing Teague, he lost the game by not playing Zaza and Joe Smith in the second half.
Dan
February 19th, 2010
11:57 pm
Or did you guys miss Crawford trying to run the pick & roll, what a disaster!
darrell starks
February 19th, 2010
11:57 pm
Dan pour me some of that hindog bro.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!
Dan
February 19th, 2010
11:59 pm
Yeah, yeah
iREPATL
February 19th, 2010
11:59 pm
@DAN HAHA YEA 2 YEARS AGO!!! BIBBY IS DONE
Grandad
February 20th, 2010
12:00 am
Bibby: 4 TO’s 4 asst.’s
Team: 15 TO’s 12 asst.’s
darrell starks
February 20th, 2010
12:01 am
CHANGES HAVE 2 BE MADE BIBBY AND MARVIN SHOULD NOT BE STARTING.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
Astro Joe
February 20th, 2010
12:01 am
If I were Woody, in the next blow-out game, I would have Teague play PG and Bibby would be the SG. And I would tell Teague to look for Bibby on every possession. Bibby needs to shoot his way out of this slump but he won’t do it in the course of a close game. He needs the freedom to hoist 5-6 shots in about 6-8 minutes of court time.
Dan
February 20th, 2010
12:03 am
I’m with you Astro Joe, none of these scrubs know what their talking about.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2010
12:03 am
To the guy who brought up the “kid from Augusta State” — Garrett Siler is playing in China right now. He plays for Shanghai Sharks, which means Yao Ming cuts his check.
Dan
February 20th, 2010
12:07 am
Good night, homers!!!!
iREPATL
February 20th, 2010
12:08 am
LOL HES NOT AGREEING WITH YOU, EVERYBODY HERE (EXCEPT YOU OBVIOUSLY) HAS EXCEPTED THE FACT THAT BIBBYS RUN AS A ONE OF THE BEST PGS IN THE LEAGUE IS ABOUT OVER IF NOT ALREADY. HE’S GOOD FOR A FEW JUMPSHOTS HERE AND THERE BUT HIS LACK OF D AND OVERALL GAME IS WASHED UP, MAKES SOME NICE PASSES HERE N THERE BUT ANY PG IN THE LEAUGUE WISHES THEY CAN GO UP AGAINST BIBBY EVERY NIGHT IN THIS LEAGUE
Harpie
February 20th, 2010
12:47 am
Mike Woodson is a high school coach…
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2010
12:51 am
“Maybe Teague needs to learn some basic basketball skills in practice first. ”
Teague has proven in games when he has gotten playing time that he can produce, which clearly means that he does have basketball skills.
“Heaven knows, that was true of Josh Smith, but we didn’t have the luxury of having him sit. So instead, he took shots that he had less than a 30% chance of hitting and we endured it all. We read articles this year where he admits that he had no concept of time and situation in his first few years in the league and yet he was on the court.”
Why did it take Josh “years” to figure out the concepts of time and situation? Is it because he is that slow of a learner, or is it because the system (or lack thereof) in which he plays never defined a clear role for him? I don’t absolve Josh of all responsibility for his poor shot selection and decision making in years past, but a lot of that has to do with the fact that he is a jack-of-all-trades player on a team whose system never defined what he should and should not be doing on the court. Josh isn’t even the only Hawk whose development suffered because he was never given a defined role — look at what Boris Diaw did when he joined a team that had a defined offensive system that placed him in a position to play to his strengths.
“I’m thrilled that we now have enough depth that we can nurture a guy at practice without rewarding him for bad habits demonstrated at practice.”
I would buy that he is being “nurtured” if he was getting better. I would even be willing to buy it if Acie Law had improved when he was in his position. But Acie Law never improved, and Teague is not improving. As Teague’s playing time has decreased, his confidence and his overall play have worsened. Unless Teague suddenly forgot the skills that allowed him to have those productive games early in the season, the blame for that falls directly on the coaching staff.
“I don’t disagree that we need better PG play, I just don’t make that statement and assume that Teague is the answer. ”
Neither do I, but my support for playing Teague has always been with one eye towards the future, not so much because the Hawks need him now. That’s why I keep pointing out how other good teams have developed young players while winning at the same time. It is very likely that in two years, neither Bibby nor Crawford is on the roster. Would it be better for the Hawks to wait until then to play Teague and allow him to play through his mistakes when he’s getting 35 minutes a game as a starter, or would it be better for him to make his mistakes now playing 15 minutes a game off the bench as a rookie?
When you equate playing a raw young player to “rewarding bad habits”, it tells me you are not willing to put up with him making mistakes on the court. But one way or the other, he is going to make mistakes. All young players do. In fact, all young people do, regardless of their profession. Should law firms shift their case loads to their more experienced attorneys the minute one of their younger ones screws up a case? Should Microsoft deny their first-year software engineers the opportunity to write new programs the first time they create a program with a bug in it?
“We thought similar things about Acie’s development last season and Sund made his choice and Acie has now been traded twice since leaving Atlanta and is well on his way to being Kevin Ollie. Sometimes the guys who have access to the goings-on at practice know more than we do.”
Maybe he’s on his way to becoming Kevin Ollie. Maybe he’s on his way to becoming Chauncey Billups, who was traded or waived by four teams before getting a chance to prove himself as the backup point guard in Minnesota. I think it’s worth pointing out that Golden State and Charlotte, the two teams that traded Acie after the Hawks did, have coaches who are notorious for stifling the development of young players. Look at what Don Nelson is doing to Anthony Randolph. Look at what Larry Brown is doing to DJ Augustin. Both of these players have produced, and produced big-time, in games when they have gotten a chance to play, and yet neither one is allowed to develop their game further by getting consistent minutes because their respective coaches are too short-sighted or too egotistical to allow that to happen on their watch. For that matter, who the hell knows whether Darko Milicic may have become a productive NBA player if he was allowed to play as a young player as opposed to being “nurtured” on the bench.
Maybe the most convincing argument to play Teague is to look at good teams that played young players that didn’t end up panning out. Jordan Farmar’s development has stalled after his second season. Should the defending champion Lakers regret giving him a chance to play? No, because it didn’t stop them from winning a championship.
The point is that there’s very little downside to playing Teague, whereas there is a huge potential downside to not playing him. Playing Teague for 15 minutes a game now, in the worst case scenario, may result in losing one or two games. Not playing Teague now may result in shattering his confidence and squandering a draft pick. And if there is one thing all four pro sports have in common, it is that teams that squander their draft picks never put together long stretches of winning.
tjhook
February 20th, 2010
1:10 am
Najeh,
I appreciate the link on Larry Hughes to provide perspective, but I submit to you that Hughes offers us another player who can create his own offense (which is a need since we run such simple offensive sets) and can provide relief for Jamal Crawford who clearly is hurt and whose efficency is going to be a problem down the stretch if he plays hurt.
I believe Hughes has experienced enough humility that he would be appreciative of a regular chance to get minutes on the floor, particularly with a winning organization. Face it – we still need scorers – thanks to Marvin’s MIA this season – so Hughes would by far be the best alternative for what’s available