Atlanta Hawks at Clippers, AKA Back to Work

Los Angeles–Another beautiful day in So Cal. Sorry to keep blabbing on about the weather but, man, since leaving Miami I’ve been desperate for some real winter sunshine (not that fake Atlanta sun where you see it but it has nothing to do with the actual temperature). I thought I would get some real weather in Dallas but of course they had record snow. So, yeah, I’ve been soaking in the So Cal sun.

I’m sure the Hawks have, too, but Woody likes the way they’ve been working while on the clock. The Hawks ran and ran and ran on Monday, then went hard again Tuesday. If any Hawks came back from the break lethargic, Woody shook em out of it.

“Guys are focused and there’s been no whining for all the running and stuff we’ve done,” Woodson said. “Everybody is just doing what they have to do.”

Hawks won't have to deal with him again. (nba.com)

Hawks won't have to deal with him again. (nba.com)

— The Clippers traded Marcus Camby to Portland for Travis Outlaw and Steve Blake during the day Tuesday and then lost at Portland that night. Camby didn’t play for Portland and Blake and Outlaw didn’t play for the Clippers though those two are expected to be available vs. the Hawks tonight.

You might recall it was Camby’s 20 rebounds, not All-Star Chris Kaman’s unconscious 7-for-21 gunning, that gave the Hawks the most trouble during that hard-fought 103-97 victory on Feb. 3.

Apparently neither Camby nor his old Clippers teammates are happy he’s gone to Portland. Clippers GM Mike Dunleavy said the Clippers could make another deal before tomorrow’s deadline.

– According to statistician Harvey Pollack, Hawks players missed 14 games due to injury before the All-Star break, the lowest total in the league. Only four Hawks players have sat out games with injuries, the second-lowest total behind Minnesota’s three. Pollack, the director of statistical information for the 76ers, annually produces the “NBA Statistical Yearbook” so his stuff is gold.

This tidbit brings us back to Stan Van Gundy’s contention last month that the Hawks have had “no adversity whatsoever” when it comes to injuries. I’m thinking you should knock on wood, Hawks people. And don’t blame me if a Hawks player pulls up lame tonight.

Zaza is mourning his Georgian countryman, Nodar Kumaritashvili, the luger who died during an Olympic training accident on Friday. He said he didn’t know Nodar but his wife did, and that such connections are not uncommon in a country with a population of 4.3 million.

“It’s a small country, so it felt like my friend died,” Zaza said. “Just like me, when he is outside the country he is representing the country, especially at the Olympics. I can imagine how excited he was. It’s so sad.”

– Slam highlights ‘Nique’s All-Star weekend. ‘Nique loves the kids.

Late adds:

– As Najeh and other blog people note below, the Cavs have agreed in principle to a three-way trade that gets them Antawn Jamison and Sebastian Telfair. It looks like Cavs got tired of waiting on the Suns to pull trigger on a deal for Amare Stoudemire and moved on to Jamison, who is the so-called “stretch four” they’ve sought.

Like Amare, Jamison isn’t a tough, defensive-minded type but he doesn’t need to share the post with Shaq and he’s another guy to convert those open looks created by LeBron. Yep, the Cavs are scary good.

– Almost forgot this disclosure: I’ll be flying with the team to Phoenix after tonight’s game and also on to San Francisco and Salt Lake. It’s not the normal procedure for newspaper writers, at least not for the last three decades or so, but it’s something the AJC is trying on a trial basis for this trip. If not for this arrangement I wouldn’t be here due to the significant costs involved with sending a writer on the road. The Hawks didn’t like that, so that started a conversation with my bosses about getting me on their plane. We’ll see how it goes.

I still plan to cover the team like normal but it’s something you need to know. That is all.

– Talk amongst yourselves, Hawks fans.

MC

132 comments Add your comment

Najeh Davenpoop

February 17th, 2010
6:52 pm

Three-way Cavs-Clippers-Wizards trade is done. Cavs get Jamison and Sebastian Telfair, Washington gets Al Thornton, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Brian Skinner and a first round pick, and Clippers get Drew Gooden. The race for #2 in the East is on, now that #1 is all but locked up. Hopefully the Heat don’t get Amare.

Also, first?

Mac-Town'z Finest 478

February 17th, 2010
6:56 pm

Proof that hawks ownership and management is delusional and unfit???
Mario West

Yeah, lets add a guy to the roster who’s physical abilities and talent (lack thereof) REALLY has no beneficial effect on the team at all……besides committing fouls and being overly aggressive which is mistaken for having such great defense.

This is the NBA not youth league basketball dealing with fragile children emotions, who cares about rewarding people for hustle IF (keyword: IF) that hustle still doesnt mean anything or provide something beneficiary to the team.

Get that scrub out of here for someone that can atleast be useful.

Mac-Town'z Finest 478

February 17th, 2010
6:59 pm

Do the Clippers have fans???

A Hawks Fan

February 17th, 2010
7:02 pm

Najeh, where do you see confirmation of that trade? I”m not seeing it anywhere…

Mac-Town'z Finest 478

February 17th, 2010
7:11 pm

A Hawks Fan, I googled “three way cavs clippers wizards” and all sorts of articles popped up,

“The Cavaliers, Clippers and Wizards have completed a three-way trade that sends Antawn Jamison and Sebastian Telfair to Cleveland; Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Al Thornton to Washington; and Drew Gooden to Los Angeles.”

from the nypost

Truth-Serum

February 17th, 2010
7:15 pm

“You might recall it was Camby’s 20 rebounds, not All-Star Chris Kaman’s unconscious 7-for-21 gunning, that gave the Hawks the most trouble during”

That was Bibby’s fault? was that Al’s man?

A Hawks Fan

February 17th, 2010
7:15 pm

OK, thanks Mac. It just popped up on ESPN a second ago too.

Melvin

February 17th, 2010
7:20 pm

Joe says they dont need anyone else. He better not cry at the end of the season again for veteren help….

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20100217?sub_id=DHxMLImvdvZIx&folio=30#pg30

JeJe

February 17th, 2010
7:21 pm

Cavs just got Jamison. Some jerk said “it may not be what we hoped for” on the Cavs board. What a spoiled brat.

We haven’t had a trade as good as that besides the Jamal trade in about 1.5 decades

niremetal

February 17th, 2010
7:23 pm

Heh…come on, Melvin. What do you expect him to say?

Melvin

February 17th, 2010
7:24 pm

With the Wiz getting Thronton, maybe they will buyout Mike Miller then the Hawks could sign him. Then again, bad idea b/c I’m sure another team would sign him and we in Hawks land will come up with 1,000 reasons why we don’t need Miller on our team.

Melvin

February 17th, 2010
7:27 pm

Nire,

Along as it’s not, “we need veteran help at the end of the season”….

RIGGED

February 17th, 2010
7:28 pm

Man this league is so RIGGED, how can these teams make trades every season regardless of contracts (Mavs, Cavs)

niremetal

February 17th, 2010
7:29 pm

Melvin,

You missed the point. What do you expect him to say now? Do you really think he’d say “we need to make a move” right before the stretch run? {layers talk after the season about what their team needs to do to improve. No one does it mid-season.

Astro Joe

February 17th, 2010
7:30 pm

Why on earth would Joe question ownership’s commitment to bring a championship to Atlanta in the summer?

JeJe

February 17th, 2010
7:35 pm

Joe is so wrong. We’re as deep as anyone we will face?

is that why Delonte scored as many points as him in the playoffs last year? a freaking average NBA Player scoring just as much as our “superstar.”

Cleveland has ridiculous depth, as does Orlando

niremetal

February 17th, 2010
7:37 pm

AJ,

To pressure them to make a move to improve the team. Happens all the time. A-list stars like Shaq (well, back when he was an A-lister) and Kobe have done it, as have B-listers like Pierce and McGrady. This particular offseason, he might do it to hint that the Hawks need to make a move to bring the team closer to a title or else he might bolt elsewhere (that was Kobe’s tactic before he exercised his option a couple years back…it didn’t work, but he tried). In reality, I doubt he will. His critiques in the past were all “we need more veterans and depth.” He hasn’t talked about team needs since after the Celtics series, I don’t think.

RIGGED

February 17th, 2010
7:39 pm

Trade Morris to Wizards for J. MaGhee since Wizards are just giving players away and it will be a HUGE upgrade over Morris who just doesnt look like a NBA player

Big Head

February 17th, 2010
8:03 pm

The Hawks needed Camby, but don’t seem to have the purse to make that kind of deal happen. Locking up Marvin looks like a bad move now even though everyone said it was really smart at the time. There are no attractive pieces to be moved. Cash and maybe Mo are the only things the Hawks can offer. If Teague had played more and was ready for leadership now, you could possibly offer up Bibby right now given how Jamal fills in, but that didn’t happen. I believe in miracles and it will take one to get past the second round of the playoffs regardles of where we end up.

Melvin

February 17th, 2010
8:09 pm

Watching the Pistons/Magic game. The way Ben Wallace is playing, he either found the fountain of youth or Mark McGwire Pharmaceutical dealer….

vava74

February 17th, 2010
8:14 pm

The cavs just traded away a member of theor most effective 5 player combinations (top 2 in the +- combos).

Ziggy was still very effective and although limited, his production was important. I just hope that they don’t just buy him out and he re-signs with the cavs (and if it does, the leagux should really put an end to this type of crap)…

jerrywest

February 17th, 2010
8:23 pm

Sund needs to convince the owner that JJ won’t stay unless he see some commitments from the owners.

http://www.realgm.com/src_feature/1624/20100217/atlantas_inactivity_could_lead_to_johnsons_departure/

jerrywest

February 17th, 2010
8:26 pm

Sund – call Ilgauskus. If Wiz buys him out, he would get more playing time here than with the cavs.

darrell starks

February 17th, 2010
8:36 pm

JERRY WEST im with you on this one can we get llgauskus if wizzard release him.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

Astro Joe

February 17th, 2010
8:38 pm

nire, I was being sarcastic, based on today’s frequent posts about how the ASG aren’t “going for it”. Funny, fans can complain about what they perceive as a lack of ownership support but heaven forbid that a player do the same.

Logo, he may get more time here but he’d have a significantly better chance to win a ring there. Like I said on the earlier blog, Hawks, Magic and Celtics are playing for the second chair in the East… Stern could go ahead and send the Cavs to the Finals once the Jamison trade is complete.

Astro Joe

February 17th, 2010
8:41 pm

Let me get this straight, you play your entire career for a team that is now the odds on favorite to win a title, but instead of returning to your home for a decade where they may have the biggest parade north of New Orleans, you think he should come to Atlanta? Well, I guess there’s nothing wrong with being an exuberant fan. Don’t be too disappointed when Z returns home to Cleveland. Sund should spend more time chasing someone like Gooden or another “nomad” who doesn’t have deep roots with a contender.

vava74

February 17th, 2010
8:43 pm

Astro,

this goes for you:

“…My take: He’s too nice of a guy. It’s both the best and worst thing about him. If you ever played basketball, you know there’s one rule with big guys: Make sure they touch the ball enough. If they don’t get enough touches, they get cranky. They stop running the floor. They stop setting good picks. They stop crashing the boards. Big guys are like women — they need affection, they need to be stroked every so often, and if you ignore them, they start to resent you. …”

the above is part of Bill Simmons column in ESPN, and in this case about D. Howard. However the relevance relates our a discussion in the past on the negative effects of the lack of touches on big men’s game.

O'Brien

February 17th, 2010
8:46 pm

If Big Z gets bought out, he will probably end up back in Cleveland. And if Drew Gooden gets bought out, he will probably end up back in Dallas (although I heard Charlotte mentioned in the rumors too).

JJ is not the kind of guy to put Management on notice that they need to do something to keep him. But, that also does not mean that he wont sign somewhere else if he he thinks they have a better chance of winning a championship, especially if he’s getting more money.

This just in.

February 17th, 2010
8:48 pm

Fire Sund!

Everyone knows that the key to the hawks post games lies in having a formidable low post presence and he did absolutely nothing to to make that happen., Weve watch J, oneal, shaq, camby and amare go by with out so much as a gesture. This team will win 50-55 game which is well a head of the preseason projections, however the season is anti climatic because we already know that the hawk wont make it out of the second round. Why buy tickets to a movie youve already seen or no the ending too?

What a snow job. How about getting a “real” center on this team

Astro Joe

February 17th, 2010
8:49 pm

Vava, yeah I read that yesterday. I know the reality may be different (a player engaged on both sides of the floor is better than a player engaged in one), but I don’t have to accept the premise that <8 FGAs may lead to <5 boards.

Maybe Kurt Thomas and/or Elston may also be bought out if the attached goes thru.

http://my.nba.com/cms/110678/salmons_to_milwaukee

niremetal

February 17th, 2010
8:50 pm

Does anyone actually think Big Z would choose us over Cleveland? Come on, now.

This just in.

February 17th, 2010
8:51 pm

Excuse me “astro joe” Hawks, Magic and Celtics playing for second? I dont think so. I think its better described the Celtics and Hawks are playing for third.

This just in.

February 17th, 2010
8:55 pm

Melvin, yeah, I have to agree, looks like hes taking the same steroids A-Rod admitted to taking once he knew there was evidence proving he was a steroid user.

Melvin

February 17th, 2010
8:59 pm

Nire,

I may not be a Bumble Bee but this sound like buzz words coming from Joe to me….

“More than anything I just want to win,” Johnson told RealGM. “This is my ninth year and I’m in search of a championship. I definitely think we can do it in Atlanta. But I think we have a lot more growing to do.” – Joe Johnson

O'Brien

February 17th, 2010
9:17 pm

Hawks will have a tough time with JJ this offseason, because a team that loses out on Wade will come after JJ. After all, he is the second best free agent SG on the market, and he will end up costing less than Wade too.

If the Bulls do end up trading Salmons to Milwaukee for 2 expiring contracts, can one of our cap experts (Manny T, nire, whoever) give me an idea of what kind of contract they might be able to offer JJ this offseason?

When was the last time the Hawks played? Wednesday? Thats too long to go without Hawks basketball. I hope it will be well worth the wait tonight as we put a beatdown on the Clippers.

Astro Joe

February 17th, 2010
9:20 pm

Javale NcGee has been stuck on Flip’s bench most of the season and finally got a start with the Wizards now tanking (officially) the season. Youngster has so far responded with 14/11/5 blocks with about 2 minutes left in the game.

Astro Joe

February 17th, 2010
9:25 pm

OB, as I understand it, Chicago will be able to offer a max deal if that Salmons trade goes through. If the Knicks acquire TMac, they will have enough cap space for one max deal and another contract that may be around $2M short of max. Wizards should be close to having room for a max contract also. I’m sure that several sites will have a full list tomorrow evening of who cleared what type of space from this week’s activities. Joe will have plenty of offers to consider… there is no doubt about it. Of course, we still get to make the best offer (financially) to him.

RIGGED

February 17th, 2010
9:27 pm

JaVelle McGee, started for the 1st time this season for the Wizards and has 14pts 11rbs, been saying all season long we should trade for this guy when he was rotting on their bench, remember his name when we play them and most will say man this guy would make a great Hawk

Astro Joe

February 17th, 2010
9:29 pm

McGee finishes with 14/11/5 in 23 minutes. I’d say that’s a good night. But a little short of Blatche who goes for 33 & 13. A little hope for down-trodden Wizards fans everywhere.

jerrywest

February 17th, 2010
9:29 pm

Astro – Staying with his family at his own home, and a 30 day break may do him some good.

BUT,
Ilgauskus needs minutes for his next contract. He has a perfect role in Atlanta. No other team can give him what we can give him.

With Cavs, he has to fight for minutes with Shaq/Jamison/Powe/AndyV./Hickson.

Astro Joe

February 17th, 2010
9:39 pm

Logo, I doubt that potential playing time with strangers trumps a probable championship ring with friends and family in a place you’ve lived for 10+ years. I think we should bark up another tree next week.

If Sund adds one more roster spot (he’s on record as saying he won’t even do that), but if he does, I would probably choose a PG over a big… all things being equal. We already have 18 fouls behind Horford.

jerrywest

February 17th, 2010
9:43 pm

what if we offer Ilgauskus a 2 year deal?

Astro Joe

February 17th, 2010
9:47 pm

Logo, I don’t know Z, but seriously, how could he possibly leave the Cavs after all that time and not return when they are soooo close to another Finals appearance? It’s not as if he can’t get another contract from them (or someone else) next season. Do you really think he would walk away, now? For what would likely be a close-to-minimum salary guarantee next season?

TM

February 17th, 2010
9:48 pm

Well, the Hawks lose out on the trade that would have best fit them. Antwan Jamison to the Cavs…

Nice job Atlanta Spirit! Stand pat and do nothing and piss off your fan base.
When the best team in the east, winners of 13 in a row… get better.

This is an example of why someone like Joe Johnson would not return… By doing nothing, the Atlanta Spirit send a HUGE message to their players. Unfortunately, it’s not a good message.

Hoops

February 17th, 2010
9:56 pm

What about this trade?

Hawks trade J. Smith & Bibby to the Suns for A. Stoudemire & G. Dragic. This trade works on the ESPN Trade Machine. The Hawks would give up 17M and take back 18.2M. These contracts are good for two years instead of 3-4 years that Bibby and J. Smith have. Would this trade allow the Hawks to overcome the big 3 in the East or does it really not change where we are now?

RIGGED

February 17th, 2010
10:02 pm

Smith has crazy upside and is still so young, I wouldn’t trade him in any Stoudemire deal

terrell

February 17th, 2010
10:06 pm

Cavs got Jamison to match up with Rashard Lewis. He killed them last year.

Hoops

February 17th, 2010
10:07 pm

Rigged,

Does trading for Stoudemire assure that Joe Johnson resigns with the Hawks?

RIGGED

February 17th, 2010
10:09 pm

No because you have to sign both players

Geemack

February 17th, 2010
10:10 pm

RIGGED

Beacuse these team are not afraid of the luxury taxes. They are more concerned with winning a title.