Atlanta Hawks (no) trade primer

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Los Angeles–My editor sent me a note today with a question: “Why AREN’T the Hawks in the Stoudemire chase?

So I stopped staring out at my balcony view of Marina del Rey long enough to collect my thoughts on the matter. Tough gig.

I know it’s the kind of question Hawks fans have, too. They look at their team’s holes, hear about all the big deals going down (or being talked about) in the league and wish the Hawks would get in on Stoudemire or some other stud.

So I will attempt to answer my boss’s question and yours without boring or confusing you:

1. The Suns are looking to shed salary and the Hawks have no large expiring contracts to match up with Amare’s $16.4 million salary other than Joe Johnson’s $15 million.

2. The Hawks aren’t willing to deal J.J. or other core players with value (Smoove, Jamal and Horford) and haven’t received interest in players they might be willing to part with.

3. Hawks ownership, which still must maintain flexibility for its efforts to re-sign Johnson this summer, isn’t inclined to take on future salary. Part of the reason the Suns are looking to deal Stodemire is his $17.7 million player option for next season. Even if Stoudemire doesn’t invoke the option, he’ll be looking to re-sign for a long-term deal.

Those explanations can apply to why the Hawks aren’t on any of the big money guys you hear in trade rumors. It doesn’t make sense to trade J.J., Smoove or Horford (who remember is still a great bargain at $4.3 million). The Hawks just don’t have any other real assets (expiring contracts, young starters on the rise) or the financial wherewithal to make a major deal.

And all of you including Marvin Williams in your wishful trade thinking need to remember that he’s a base-year compensation player. Assuming another team covets Williams, which is no sure thing considering his decline in production, the Hawks can only use half of his $7.5 million salary under the traded player exception for teams over the salary cap.

In other words, if they traded Williams they could only take back 125 percent plus $100,00 of $3.75 million, or about $4.8 million, instead of $8.9 million. For Williams this holds true until after June 30. The BYC rule is designed to prevent teams from exploiting a loophole in the traded player exception and as you can see it serves as a strong disincentive to trade players like Williams.

– The Hawks still aren’t getting calls about Johnson because there’s no point. The Hawks aren’t dealing him.

– From what I’m hearing, there’s nothing to that rumor about the Hawks looking to deal Mo Evans and a throw-in contract to Milwaukee for Kurt Thomas. It didn’t make much sense when I heard it because the Hawks don’t seem to have much enthusiasm for Thomas and the Bucks aren’t looking to add future salary (Mo has a player option for $2.5 million for next season).

Maybe Thomas would add a bit of defensive toughness and vet leadership but he’s not the big body the Hawks need. And who would be the Hawks’ wing off the bench if Mo is gone?

– The Hawks are interested in Boston forward Rasheed Wallace but the Celtics apparently aren’t interested in dealing him. It was probably a long shot anyway since (here it is again) ownership doesn’t seem inclined to take on future money. Wallace has two years and about $13 million left on his contract after this season.

– I was surprised to see the Clippers deal Marcus Camby to Portland for Travis Outlaw and Steve Blake. The Clippers sent away a good player with an expiring $7.5 million contract (and who had expressed interest in staying with the team) for two decent players with expiring contracts.

The Hawks like Camby, who I think would be a great fit, but they wouldn’t have been to use their players with expiring deals to match his salary in a trade. Also, the Clippers apparently needed a backup point guard for the short term and the Hawks don’t have one to offer with an expiring deal. The Clippers also will receive cash in the deal and maybe that was the main consideration.

– One good thing about the relative quiet around the Hawks this week: no distractions.

“Haven’t said not one word (about trades),” Woody said. “I’m sure these guys are aware of (the deadline). I haven’t heard anything about our team in terms of trade. Most of these guys besides the ‘rook (Jeff Teague) have been around a long time and know sometimes your name will be mentioned in trade rumors. It’s part of the game.”

MC

237 comments Add your comment

Steve

February 16th, 2010
8:08 pm

This may be saying the same thing, but the Hawks have two issues on the trade front:

1. Not enough high/expiring contracts
2. Too many reasonable/rookie contracts

The combination of those two make it nearly impossible to even make a deal. The assets that teams want from us are on (relatively) reasonable salaries, and we’re not in a position where it is worth spending more – 1 player isn’t going to win us a championship. The hard work will need to get done this summer…I almost feel sorry for Sund (but I’d take his job in a heartbeat)

CrazyDIAMOND

February 16th, 2010
8:09 pm

Nice analysis – thanks. No need to reshape the team now. The offseason will be intersting, though.

Michael Cunningham

February 16th, 2010
8:13 pm

@steve: yes, since they (understandably) don’t want to deal their one big expiring contract (J.J.). they could get something for Smoove of course but he’s getting better and is part of their future. also, i’d add to your list mid-salaried vets with long-term deals and declining production in Bibby and Zaza.

NDiiBaBii

February 16th, 2010
8:15 pm

We need to keep our entire team, I don’t want Marvin Williams going anywhere, the most humble guy on the team. I even witnessed him give a less fortunate child his expensive coat off of his back, lol I know that’s irrelevant, but we have something special, we need to keep it and work on the areas that need improving, work on our rookies. If Joe stays he stays, if he leaves we can find somebody better!

Astro Joe

February 16th, 2010
8:23 pm

MC, nice job of making a complex issue easy to understand. I anxiously await how you will address our salary cap situation during Joe’s upcoming contract negotiations. I heard some idiots on Atlanta sports radio suggest that we simply use the salary slotted on Joe to go get D. Wade. Is it too much to ask sports radio announcers to have some basic knowledge of the CBA? If they can take the time to learn about the impact of signing bonuses on the NFL salary cap or arbitration for baseball players, surely they can learn the basics of the Bird rights and other basic NBA CBA rules. Edumacation… that’s what we need. Some edumacation.

LY Munz

February 16th, 2010
8:30 pm

Marvin can give out 1,000 coats to the homeless. That still doesn’t change the fact that he flat out has declined in a big way at age 23. That does not reflect well on him exhibiting any kind of major improvement to warrant the 5 years he has remaining on his deal.

Unfortunately though, his contract coupled with his increasingly low value make him impossible to trade as MC said. If Sund can get creative and try to pull off a three way deal shedding Bibby and our small expirings such as Smith, Morris etc. to aquire a more athletic/younger pg like Devin Harris than that would be huge. I just don’t think we have the resources to do so.

Astro Joe

February 16th, 2010
8:34 pm

Here’s a trade that works for both teams and meets salary requirements:

Hawks trade Bibby, Zaza and Evans to Raptors for Calderon, Nesterovic and Wright.

We get a good (not great) PG and 2 expiring contracts attached to bench players with good size. It adds almost $4M to our cap space this summer.

Raptors save money later on because when Calderon is in his fianl year, Zaza will be making half of Jose… so it provides long-term savings. Jack has become their starting PG and Bibby would bring some vet leadership, Zaza some rugged toughness to their soft front court and Mo is a stabilizing force behind their rookie SG, Derozen. Maybe a surprising run this summer may help them retain Bosh.

Not as awe-inspiring as trading Randolph Morris for Brook Lopez… but it’s a little more practical.

MS

February 16th, 2010
8:40 pm

I think Hawks can make a trade that entices JJ to stay, improves team and is salary neutral.

ATL – receives Rasheed Wallace and Ryan Gomes
BOS – receives Marvin Williams
MEM – receives Brian Scalabrine and Zaza Pachulia and ATL 1st round pick for 2010

Obviously Atlanta is better as Gomes and Williams are equivalent, but no comparison between Zaza and Rasheed.

Boston trade allows them to get much younger and clears room for Antwan Jamison acquisition.

Memphis does trade (salary neutral long term) plus another first round draft pick.

Ben

February 16th, 2010
8:46 pm

Basketball is a big men sport…Unfortunately, the Hawks lack those…even Kobe can’t win without a true 5…..

The Truth

February 16th, 2010
8:48 pm

As with Marvin, isn’t Bibby BYC?

Melvin

February 16th, 2010
8:49 pm

Astro,

You know this Franchise doesn’t have the “You know what” to trade Bibby.

richbrave

February 16th, 2010
9:17 pm

Well, HAWKS fans, the WIZARDS went to take a dump and the HOGS ate ‘um. The BUTLER boat has sailed, and JAMISON to CLEVELAND appears to be inching closer to reality as the dead-line approaches.

DREW GOODEN doesn’t want to be a WIZARD, and is saying he’ll sit out the balance of the year rather than do so. The other three former MAVS aren’t happy either, although not quite as outspoken as GOODEN.

WIZ are trying to pry Z, MOON, and a #1 from CAVS for JAMISON, and would you believe it, MIKE JAMES. GRUNFELD certainly IS a wizard if he can move that atrocious 6.5 million expiring contract for anything. J-CRIT will be available if you want a home-boy next year.

And speaking of that, KEVIN ANDERSON (N. DeKALB) and DAVID GONZOLVEZ (Marietta) have carried my SPIDERS into the #25 slot this week in the AP poll. U-u-u-h-h-h-rah!!!!

If all the former MAVS and current WIZ on expirings make like collective trees and leaf, the D.C. club will be down to eight warm bodies under contract next season, and one is on a player option. Even if they keep both their picks and add the CAVS #1, they still need a minimum of three JOE SMITH’s from FA, or from developmental league/European personnel. And there’s still ARENAS to deal with. What a frickin’ mess.

NDiiBaBii

February 16th, 2010
9:17 pm

Lets be real Rasheed Wallace doesn’t want to come here, he was here for a day already, did you guys forget & he was very happy to leave.
Zaza and Marvin aren’t going anywhere, they are responsible for a lot of us who are actually season ticket holders, Bibby on the other hand can go, that’s JJ’s bff on the team and Bibby is horrible this season. Marvin may not be playing as well as he could be, but lets not forget who stepped up during the playoffs when JJ wasn’t doing anything Marvin and Jsmoove! He’s being a productive enough member of the team, if anyone was to be traded let it be Bibby!

kjb

February 16th, 2010
9:21 pm

please make a deal!!!

sansho1

February 16th, 2010
9:46 pm

Rasheed Wallace is now a very bad ballplayer.

Astro Joe

February 16th, 2010
9:48 pm

Blast, from the previous blog, Jamal had to agree not to opt out of the current season’s contract. Imagine if we had traded for him and the next day, he opted out… we’d be left with nothing. But it was just for this season, he does not have an opt-out clause for this summer. And no one game can be used to evaluate anything. Heck, I watched Speedy steal something like 7 balls from the Cavs in one of his few healthy appearances as a Hawk. Like I said, one game is not good for evaluating anything.

MC, tell Jamal to stop messing with those coyote ugly ladies, then he won’t hurt his shoulder trying to gnaw it off.

Best wishes to George Karl for a speedy and long-lasting recovery.

ILL-logical

February 16th, 2010
9:50 pm

People,people: what part of won’t,can’t and ain’t do you not understand? The Hawks won’t make a move because they are living in the now(more on that later); they can’t because of the financial realities surrounding the franchise; and they ain’t because they have no intention of adding any more salary expense.

The franchise is at a critical junction under current ownership. If Joe decides that there is no way that he will ever get the pieces around him to win a championship here he is gone. Period. And if he goes, Woodson is history. No iso Joe no offense from a Woodson coached Hawk team.

Add the fact that while many NBA players love living in the ATL; few, if any superstars want to play for a fiscally challenged organization- Chris Paul being the possible exception- and you have an interesting summer coming up.

JeJe

February 16th, 2010
9:56 pm

THIS TEAM DOES NOT HAVE A PLAYER TO COMMIT A HARD FOUL.

THAT AND A COMBINATION OF WOODY’S UNWILLINGNESS TO USE A BENCH PLAYER BESIDES CRAW AS A SPARK WILL LEAD TO A SWEEP IN THE 2ND ROUND

THIS IS A SOFT BASKETBALL TEAM AND YOU WILL ALL SEE IN THE 2ND ROUND YET AGAIN

HOW ABOUT JOE SAYS “I” INSTEAD OF “WE” FOR ONCE. 80 % OF THE TIME HE’S THE ONE BEING SELFISH. JUST LOOK AT HIS NUMBERS LAST YR VS THIS YEAR. HOPE HE LEAVES THIS SUMMER SO WE CAN MAKE A RUN AT WADE. OH WAIT, WE CAN’T. WE HAVE THE WORST OWNERSH!T IN THE NBA

CONTENDERS MY ASS

Melvin

February 16th, 2010
9:58 pm

NDiiBaBii,

Did Marvin even played in the playoffs last year??? lol

darrell starks

February 16th, 2010
9:59 pm

NO TRADE OUT FIRST ROUND.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

UGA

February 16th, 2010
9:59 pm

Craig Smith from the Clippers. Get him, he can score with his back to the basket. Face it, we’re not making a huge deal until the next year or two if needed.

The Sham

February 16th, 2010
10:01 pm

@MC:

I agree that JJ isn’t going any where, but speaking hypothetically, do you think if they were to trade JJ for Amare, that Marvin has the ca-hones to fill one of two roles: either Joe’s shoes or Jamal’s role and let Jamal be the big shooter? With the big 3 then down low (JS, AS, AH) can pick up the scoring slack and that will force Marvin to step up to his ability.

I know it changes the chemistry of this team dramatically, but my thinking is that without a move like this, we are about to peak and resemble the Steve Smith and Mookie team that flat lined… The Cavs are just too good and we can’t control Howard enough to get out of the East…

darrell starks

February 16th, 2010
10:03 pm

If the hawks play HORNETS, OR HEAT in the first round say bye bye to coach woody.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

February 16th, 2010
10:09 pm

Drew Gooden is not a cure-all for the Hawks’ weaknesses, but considering it would take literally nothing to sign him, it would be monumentally foolish for the Hawks not to try. Any trade proposition can be dismissed by pointing out the Hawks’ lack of assets, but I would think the revenue the Hawks get from one playoff game would be way more than enough to pay Gooden’s salary for the rest of the year.

darrell starks

February 16th, 2010
10:10 pm

SHAM why you dont think joe going any where he turn down 4year 64mill?
GO HAWKS

Najeh Davenpoop

February 16th, 2010
10:16 pm

If the Hawks were to make a trade, however, this is one that would definitely help them now:

ESPN Trade Machine

Hawks get Antonio McDyess (2 years left after this one) and Keith Bogans (expiring) from Spurs

Spurs get Maurice Evans (expiring), Joe Smith (expiring), and Jason Collins (expiring) from Hawks

The Hawks get a significant upgrade inside without having to give up any key players, especially since Bogans is an adequate replacement for Evans. The Spurs, who have been rumored to want to dump McDyess’ contract, get expiring contracts in return to free up some cap space for the Tyrus Thomas trade they want to make. McDyess is a proven veteran, and even though he’s over the hill he is still a solid rebounder, shoots well from the field, and is a smart (if physically limited at this point) defender. The big downside, of course, is that he has two years left on his contract after this one, meaning the Hawks will have two veteran backup big men with long-term deals entering this offseason. But at least for the rest of this year, this trade would be worth it. Who knows, maybe McDyess knows a thing or two about guarding Dwight Howard that the rest of the Hawks’ front court doesn’t know.

darrell starks

February 16th, 2010
10:16 pm

I remember when the hawks had the best record in the nba, and they traded niq for sorry a$$ danny manning and every thing went down hill.
GO HAWKS!!!!!

cdog

February 16th, 2010
10:17 pm

DON’T ANYONE ELSE QUESTION MIKE WOODSON’S COACHING IF THE HAWKS GET PUT OUT OF THE PLAYOFFS.ITS THAT DUMB GM NAMED RICK SUND WHO SHOULD BE FIRED IF HE FAILS TO IMPROVE THE HAWKS MISSING PIECE. THE MONEY HE SHELLED OUT TO ZSA ZSA PACHILIA COULD HAVE HELPED.HE PLAYS LIKE HE HAS A STAVE STUCK UP HIS BACK, IN 0NE PLACE

darrell starks

February 16th, 2010
10:18 pm

NAJEH IN WHAT WAY THAT TRADE IMPROVE THE HAWKS?
GO HAWKS!!!!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

February 16th, 2010
10:22 pm

Darrell, unless you think Joe Smith is as good as Antonio McDyess, it’s an obvious improvement. Will it make the Hawks the favorites to win the title? Obviously not, but it will make them much less likely to get roasted inside against Dwight Howard in the 2nd round of the playoffs.

O'Brien

February 16th, 2010
10:26 pm

AJ, Melvin,

Woody does not have the “you know what” to let Bibby go.

During the offseason, I talked about using the mid-level to get Jack, and let Bibby go. I thought Jack would be better for us because he is younger, cheaper, and a better defender than Bibby (I also liked Sessions).

But Jack is not the shooter Bibby is. Jack eventually signed for 5 years, $20 mil (Pacers did not match the Raptors offer). But Sund decided to go with continuity, which was fine, except he gave Bibby 3 years. That 3rd year will be tough for us, because that means we can’t trade him next season. Hopefully, he will find the fountain of youth.

Best wishes goes out to George Karl, fighting throat cancer.

MC,

Thanks for the trade explanations. The Hawks players and coaches will have to find a way to improve from within. If Marvin can step up, and if ZaZa can go back to being the ZaZa of old, and Woody can learn how to make adjustments, this team will be very competitive against anybody.

Najeh,

Spurs are also looking to trade Roger Mason too.

AJ,

I agree that once JJ resigns, Hawks could look to trade Crawford. For his $10 mil salary, we should be able to get at least 2 solid assets (we have lots of needs; solid backup PG, solid backup SF, solid backup PF).

The NBA is so crazy. Bobcats have beaten the Cavs twice this season. And the Nets have beaten the Bobcats twice this season.

doc

February 16th, 2010
10:29 pm

i would not want sheed for half the contract he has over three years. durn i didnt realize he took ainge so bad. ainge got lucky once, not again.

jamison is a better fit than amare for the cavs, smoother, able to do more on his own and will be a better fit overall in their scheme. scary if he ends up there. wish we could have somehow done a zaza, marvin, mo and joe smith for what the mavs got.

doc

February 16th, 2010
10:31 pm

o’b man i cant believe what you just said about karl. he looks in terrible health before that news but geez.

JeJe

February 16th, 2010
10:43 pm

RICK SUND PAID MARVIN 8 MILL A YEAR (ABOUT THAT MUCH) FOR 4 MORE YEARS. WE HAVE BIBBY FOR 2 MORE YEARS

NO ONE WANTS THESE PLAYERS UNTIL THEIR EXPIRING YEARS. FOR MARVIN, THAT’S IN LIKE 4 YEARS SINCE HE HAS A PLAYER OPTION ON HIS LAST YEAR

LOL NO ONE WANTED THIS GUY, YET WE GIVE HIM EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED.

GOOD JOB SUND

NO WONDER YOU ARE A !@#$%Y GM. YOU’VE WON NOTHING IN THIS LEAGUE

Melvin

February 16th, 2010
10:47 pm

Hold up before we get rid of our 1st round draft pick. I found our backup SF that’s project to be a late 1st round draft pick.
Pros- good size, can create off the dribble and can shoot it from deep.
Cons- he may be Marvin distant relative b/c they look alike…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERcmFdlrrXY&feature=player_embedded

siskel_god

February 16th, 2010
10:48 pm

Just my opinion, the Hawks aren’t making any deals because they don’t have too. This is a real good team and a team that can make a little noise in the playoffs. They may not be a championship team, but I don’t think Amare or anybody else that is available is going to put them over the hump. Wait on free agency and try and re-sign Joe and bring in Bosh and this will be a championship team.

Traceman

February 16th, 2010
10:53 pm

I just don’t get some of the proposals here. Why on earth would we be focusing on trying to trade JJ or Jamal rather than figuring out a way to keep both of them long term? Neither is a PG but both are excellent ballhandlers who have proven that they can play significant minutes together in the backcourt.

They compliment each other SO WELL. JJ is an all around great player who MUST be accounted for at all times. He creates mismatches against virtually every team we play. Jamal is versatile as well and he gives us that MUCH needed “KILLER” in the 4th quarter that all the great teams have. He may not be the all around player that D Wade, LeBron or Kobe are but other than Kobe, I’d just as soon have Jamal take a big shot as ANY guy in the NBA. His rep as a great clutch player preceded his arrival and he has done nothing but enhance that rep since he’s been here.

IF we have to spend HUGE dollars to keep JJ (I don’t consider a deal starting at $15M for JJ huge), I could see the team looking to cut costs to stay under the cap but that doesn’t necessarily mean that Jamal should be the one who has to go. There are other options not named Smoove, Al or Marvin who can be dealt to keep costs at an acceptable level.

Jamal has been GREAT and I LOVE him as a Hawk but when he becomes a FA at age 31, I will be VERY surprised if a team other than us offers him a longterm deal starting at more than the $10M a season he currently makes. More than likey, he will actually have to take a slight cut (as will most players in his situation when the new CBA is negotiated). That being the case, if I were Sund, I’d be trying to figure out how to keep JJ and Jamal beyond next season. I think it can be done.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 16th, 2010
10:53 pm

O’Brien, the only reason I didn’t mention Mason is because he makes $3.5 million this year, and the Hawks simply don’t have the expiring contracts to match him and McDyess combined. Purely on the court, between Mason and Bogans, I’d definitely rather have Mason.

darrell starks

February 16th, 2010
10:54 pm

MARVIN, BIBBY, AND TEAGUE AND OUR FIRST FOR IGG, JRUE HOLLIDAY, CARNEY this trade put us at the top.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!

Melvin

February 16th, 2010
11:05 pm

Astro,

Will you please stop with the Jamal conspiracy. You have already admit that you was wrong about him coming to Hawks and having a positive impact. He has been a welcome addition to this team, community and exceeded expectations. The Hawks would be crazy not to resign him. Why are you trying to run him out of town instead some other overpaid, less contributing player(s) on this team???

niremetal

February 16th, 2010
11:07 pm

Good work, MC. But it’s amazing how people seem to not read the article before commenting.

darrell starks

February 16th, 2010
11:17 pm

STARTER JAMAL, JOE, IGG, JOSH, HORFORD.
BENCH JRUE, MOE, CARNEY, JOE, ZAZA.
RESERVE WEST, MORRIS

Ramon

February 16th, 2010
11:44 pm

Najeh, I don’t think you can trade players who are signed to the veteran’s minimum.

JeJe

February 16th, 2010
11:57 pm

We really need a SF off the bench. Stackhouse was perfect. He lobbied to come here for like 5 months. How much could this guy have wanted?

HE IS MAKING 679,000 RIGHT NOW WITH MILWAUKEE. THATS HOW MUCH HE COSTS. AND WE COULD HAVE HAD HIM

JESUS CHRIST

Hawks Fan

February 17th, 2010
12:17 am

Tayshaun Prince makes all the sense in the world to get here. We can trade the rights to Childress and Marvin for him. He’s an excellent defender that plays the 3 at 6″9. He also can score. Woody coached him at Detroit, so he knows the system. Everyone says we need a big, but let’s face it, no one in the league is giving up a quality big, and the game has changed so much where you don’t really need a big center. I don’t believe we’d have to give up the house to get Prince here. We can still keep our “key” core players. The Hawks not making any moves shows me that ownership is satisfied with mediocrity. As a life long Hawk fan, I’m sick of the wait and see, and look towards the future crap. Let’s when a damn championship. And waiting for Joe Johnson is bs. He’s shown me nothing to prove he’s a max player. The only guys with heart on this team is Horford, ZaZa, and Crawford. I’m say Josh has heart, but he whines too darn much.

Hawks Fan

February 17th, 2010
12:19 am

Tayshaun Prince makes all the sense in the world to get here. We can trade the rights to Childress and Marvin for him. He’s an excellent defender that plays the 3 at 6″9. He also can score. Woody coached him at Detroit, so he knows the system. Everyone says we need a big, but let’s face it, no one in the league is giving up a quality big, and the game has changed so much where you don’t really need a big center. I don’t believe we’d have to give up the house to get Prince here. We can still keep our “key” core players. The Hawks not making any moves shows me that ownership is satisfied with mediocrity. As a life long Hawk fan, I’m sick of the wait and see, and look towards the future crap. Let’s win a damn championship. And waiting for Joe Johnson is bs. He’s shown me nothing to prove he’s a max player. The only guys with heart on this team are Horford, ZaZa, and Crawford. I’d say Josh has heart, but he whines too darn much.

tony

February 17th, 2010
12:56 am

The hawks will never get to the nba finals without a BIG who can put pressure on the opposition frontline! TRADE Joe Johnson to Toronta for Chris Bosh NOW!

kirkinga

February 17th, 2010
1:59 am

It seems as if the Hawks are exactly the team most of us thought they were at the beginning of the season. Coach Woodson has done an acceptable job preventing his contract situation from becoming a distraction.

Organic growth, not trades is what the remainder of this season is all about. I appreciate that the team has provided a bit of suspense about who will win the division, but we expected the Hawks to play into the 2nd Round and at this point, there is no reason to lower that expectation.

Go Hawks!!

Grandad

February 17th, 2010
2:17 am

Wierd time for me to be awake.

N.D. – Per NBA Tr.Mach.:
Mo and either [J. Collins or R. Morris] gets Mason. SA would have to agree of course.
Mason would give us one more shooter to spread the ct., one more scoring option, a hustler on def., but unfortunately one more weapon for Wdsn to mismanage.

Clyde

February 17th, 2010
2:58 am

Jeje welcome to the club. Your posts on this page have made u worthy for entrance into our club of hate.

FIRE WOODY