Sund doesn’t anticipate trade deadline deals for Hawks

Sund not looking to deal

Sund not looking to deal

Hawks GM Rick Sund said the core group of Hawks that has the team aiming for a Southeast Division title is the same group you can expect to see after the Feb. 18 trade deadline.

“People are talking about us as one of the top teams in the Eastern Conference, and that’s what we strive for,” Sund said today. “If there is something out there that will make us better, we’ll look at it. Do I anticipate (a deal)? No, I don’t.”

Sund wouldn’t get into specifics about trade chatter, but his indication that the Hawks’ core would stay together seems to rule out a trade involving Joe Johnson, who can become a free agent after the season. The other core players include Josh Smith, Jamal Crawford, Marvin Williams, Mike Bibby and Al Horford.

The Hawks are 32-17, tied with Boston for the third-best record in the Eastern Conference and one game behind Orlando for the Southeast lead.

“This is the time of year when everybody looks at deals,” Woody said. “But I like our team in terms of being in the hunt. We are a better team than last year.”

One recent report speculated that the Hawks might consider fielding offers for Johnson at the deadline. But there’s no indication that teams have inquired about Johnson or that the Hawks would listen if they did.

That J.J. approached the Hawks about an extension last summer suggests his preference is to stay with the team even though he turned down its $60 million offer in hopes of securing a more lucrative deal this summer. The Hawks still intend to re-sign Johnson; they structured recent deals for Williams, Bibby and Zaza Pachulia with salaries that are less in 2010-11 than this season so they would have increased flexibility for a new deal with Johnson.

It’s not hard to figure the Hawks aren’t getting calls about any of their other players, either. There isn’t much to choose from among their players with expiring contracts: Joe Smith, Jason Collins, Randolph Morris and Mario West, who is still under a trade restriction because he was recently signed).

Even if the Hawks wanted to deal Williams (and there’s nothing to suggest they do) his status as base-year compensation player makes it unpalatable. The Hawks wouldn’t be able to use the full value of his salary when trying to meet the trade exception of taking back no more than 125% plus $100,000 in salary in a trade. He’s signed through 2012-13.

Bibby’s role and production have declined this season and he has two years and $11.8 million left on his deal after this season. Pachulia’s salary is manageable, but his contract runs through 2012-13. That leaves Mo Evans, who has a player option for $2.5 million next season, and Jeff Teague, who is on a rookie scale contract and isn’t going anywhere.

So the Hawks don’t appear to have any attractive pieces they are willing to part with and, in any event, they appear content to see what happens with a core group that still has room to grow.

“Players start looking over their shoulders at this time of year,” Woody said. “But our group should feel pretty good about what we’ve done up to this point.”

If the Hawks did make a move, they’d probably be looking to add size, shooting or playmaking ability. Of course those are assets all teams covet, and there are others with more to offer in trade than the Hawks.

The Hawks also plan to continue with the minimum of 13 players on the roster for the rest of the season. That would rule out adding veterans who accept buyouts in the coming weeks.

Complicating matters not just for the Hawks but all teams looking to make a deal is the possibility of a new labor agreement between owners and players.

Teams might be reluctant to commit big money long term to players now and instead wait to see the details of a new agreement as owners seek to drastically reduce the players’ share of revenues. The current labor deal is set to expire on June 30, 2011, and the league and the players’ association are to meet in Dallas at All-Star Weekend to begin face-to-face negotiations.

The uncertainty surrounding those negotiations could affect Johnson and the other players expected to test the free agent market this summer. The top-tier free agents like LeBron James and Dwyane Wade are likely to get maximum deals but the second tier that includes Johnson may not attract the type of offers they’d like.

MC

84 comments Add your comment

Dub C

February 8th, 2010
5:10 pm

I like where we stand. We could use a little more size, but its not a necessity. We’ve been fortunate not to have any major injuries.

Michael Vick

February 8th, 2010
5:11 pm

first at something. About time. Where my dawgs at

jlewis

February 8th, 2010
5:11 pm

Cunningham, you can’t be serious, there is only one tier, that’s Lebron, Dwayne Wade is pubbed, but people regard Joe in the same class, bigger, stronger, better handles…He will get his money. People have seen Joe and are used to his style, you forget what you have, this is the guy that lit up Wade last year while hurt, and tore Kobe up so bad they had to switch Artest to him. You are selling him short or not doing your homework

Michael Vick

February 8th, 2010
5:11 pm

Michael Vick

February 8th, 2010
5:12 pm

Enter your comments here

Chris

February 8th, 2010
5:13 pm

Michael Cunningham

February 8th, 2010
5:23 pm

@jlewis: who are these “people” you speak of? it’s not just me, it’s the market. i mean no disrespect to J.J.–heck, most of the time it seems i hold him in higher regard than most–but he’s not going to get D. Wade money or maybe not even Bosh money.

Michael Cunningham

February 8th, 2010
5:24 pm

@vick: high-stepping before you got to the endzone and got the ball stripped.

ILL-logical

February 8th, 2010
5:50 pm

Well , just as I predicted: we like what we have is the why we aren’t making any trades mantra. And it’s dressed up with some psuedoscientific claptrap about salary caps and wanting to posistion for next year.

The more factual translation of the Hawks’ stance is that a combination of finacial and management shortcomings have placed the organization in a lose-lose posture.

Witness the Thrashers as an example of the current financial condition of the organization.And the summer signings of the Hawks roster could not have contemplated subsequent trades as the season progressed/ Injuries do happen .The 13 man roster and the Mario signing was a clearer indication of the dire financial staights the organization is in.

The irony is that in order to reduce their losses to the lower levels, the Hawks have to go deep into the playoffs. But that is a major assumption with the current roster even baring injury.

Oh what a tangled web we weave when we attempt to deceive.

BILLY KNIGHT

February 8th, 2010
5:55 pm

Rick sund have 2 get a center but the biggest problem what will they do with horford or josh who play the 4 do hawks trade either or?

Atl Spirit

February 8th, 2010
6:00 pm

We have to explore every option with J.J.,remember Kovy?

BILLY KNIGHT

February 8th, 2010
6:01 pm

If the hawks had 2 make a tough decision between horford or josh for chris bosh who they choose?

DHD

February 8th, 2010
6:02 pm

we aren’t winning the NBA championship this year so…go ahead and deal JJ to free up money to sign D Wade next season. Trade Josh Smith, the rights to Josh Childress and a draft pick for a sign and trade deal for Bosh. A guy can dream, can’t he?

Hawk n the Ham

February 8th, 2010
6:03 pm

And here I thought all along we signed Mario West to deal a straight trade to Toronto for Bosh….Silly me

willie

February 8th, 2010
6:06 pm

You can’t assume Bosh or one of the other big names will come here, so they MUST keep Joe. Plus, with Horford and Josh already, Bosh is not they position we need. Joe is not a top 10 guy, but he is a top 20 guy and they are not easy to come by.

d are

February 8th, 2010
6:26 pm

The hawks are in good shape, would like to see them flip bibby into more size and/or a bigger point guard (he is on the decline we dont have to start Crawford). As far as JJ is concerned, he probably should have took the deal because the way salaries are going in the nba the money won’t be the same as years passed (that is the elephant in the room for the nba off the court if you ask me).

Hawk n the Ham

February 8th, 2010
6:39 pm

I would trade Bibby and Marvin for Jonny Flynn at PG.

Jonny Flynn
MPG 29.4
PPG 14.0
APG 4.4
FT% .824%

I think those #s are about Bibby and Marvin combined.

SR

February 8th, 2010
6:47 pm

I don’t get to see this team much but I do try to read up on them when I can and one thing I do notice is that Marvin Williams does not seem to give them much in any game, at least as far as I can tell from reading the box score. Am I missing something here with this player? For someone drafted as highly as he was, what gives? Maybe someone who is a lot closer to this team can provide some perpsective. Thanks.

NoleRick

February 8th, 2010
6:50 pm

SR, no you arent missing anything, Marvin makes his mark on about every 5th game. Otherwise you hardly noticed he played.

SR

February 8th, 2010
6:56 pm

Thanks NoleRick- what a great pick then. Maybe he and Jamaal Anderson were separated at birth!

Ree Roe

February 8th, 2010
7:14 pm

@ Hawk n the Ham, that might be the DUMBEST trade suggestion I’ve ever read. Pure lunacy

I’m not expecting any trades, but we did get Jamal Crawford for Acie Law & Speedy Claxton so there may be more value out there if Sund aggresively pursues a post player (ie. Marcus Camby) or a swingman

-REEpeatedly Roe!!!

Tony from Stone Mountain

February 8th, 2010
7:18 pm

NoleRick and SR, we would have gotten Andrew Bogut with the first pick, So I’ll take Marvin and Horford.

MannyT

February 8th, 2010
7:19 pm

@SR Here is the perspective. Forget that he was a #2 pick. As long as you hang that on him you will never be satisfied with his performance. He did not draft himself #2. He is now on his 2nd contract which is a good one, but no where near as good as Josh got or Al will get.

Marvin serves a very unique purpose. He is the only guy on this team with enough size and quickness to guard the top SFs. While he still needs work, our options are to have JJ do all he does and get pushed around by LeBron and Paul Pierce on D.

Marvin does do a good job of scrapping for loose balls and adding some rebounding from the SF even though it has been inconsistent. He can give you some range offensively and get out on the break.

He isn’t a bargain, but until you can replace his physical attributes, love the one you’re with ;-)

Besides, he’s having a bad year offensively. If he can get back to his offensive level of last year, he will require those SFs to work a bit on defense as well.

For those that disagree, given that trades are unlikely, who should have more of Marvin’s minutes at SF?

@MC regarding all being calm on the trade front. If I play devil’s advocate, the team can save money by trading Marvin in his BYC year BECAUSE they can only take back about 1/2 of his salary. If the cash is really tight, it is a better thing to move him before that first year ends. All that said, I think he should be here unless there is a magic beans trade to be done.

BWAF

Jeff

February 8th, 2010
7:21 pm

need to get Jamison from the wizards….he is crafty and he gets after those boards

Astro Joe

February 8th, 2010
7:22 pm

I don’t have an issue with sitting out the trade deadline, but to say that we’re not going to consider adding to the roster when vets are bought out STRAIGHT stinks. Hey, the Thrashers sell-off is on, let’s use some of that Ilya money on an Earl Watson, Etan Thomas or Trenton Hassell if/when they get sent packing from their current team. I like our position heading into the deadline but to assume ongoing health with this mostly middling bench is not they way to manuever for the home stretch.

Astro Joe

February 8th, 2010
7:30 pm

Any BTW, would the Hawks even have t pay for a 14th player? Wouldn’t that come out of the pool of NBA league money for older vets? And if they DID have to pay, we’re talking a pro-rated salary of around $800k or something less than $375k.

augustaATLfan

February 8th, 2010
7:33 pm

bring in Kaaman

SR

February 8th, 2010
7:52 pm

Thanks MannyT for the well-reasoned response. That’s something someone who does not see the games would never notice.

Tony

February 8th, 2010
7:56 pm

Hawk n Ham are you stupid??????!!! Bibby and Marvin for flynn???!!!
That is the dumbest thing I have heard on any hawks blog, PERIOD!!!
Oh, yeah and Joe is not in the same class as LeBron, D-Wade, Kobe, or mayne even Chris Bosh. Get over it people. I love Joe and what he’s done but he AIN’T no LeBron. LeBron, D-Wade, and Kobe are SUPERSTARS.
Joe IS NOT!!!!! Sorry Joe!!! BUT ITS REAL, ITS REAL.

Mike Jones

February 8th, 2010
7:58 pm

What is Mutumbo doing these days??? We could use some situational
“D” for Dwight Howard.

Jimmy Jam

February 8th, 2010
8:11 pm

I think we should try to pull brendan haywood away from the wizards. A Zaza-Brendan swap would work (according to the trade machine on espn.com). This would give us the size to match up against the Orlando’s, LA’s, and Clevelands.

Tony

February 8th, 2010
8:13 pm

Jimmy are you CRAZY!!!!! I would NEVER trade Zaza for a washed up, inconsistent bum like brendan haywood.

GovClintonTyree

February 8th, 2010
8:14 pm

Stand pat. See how far this group goes. Do everything you can to sign Joe in the offseason.

MannyT

February 8th, 2010
8:17 pm

@SR I have sat through too many of Marvin’s crap shoot dribble drives. I had to look for a silver lining. I think he fits better with a team that doesn’t expect as much individually from its players. I think he would be a better player on a team like the Rockets. Not that they have any plans to get him, but that team is stronger than its parts atmosphere would probably work very well for Marvin.

@Astro…teams do have to pay something for minimum salary players, but the league subsidizes them if they have 3 or more years of experience. I wonder if Woody would play a new guy at this point. No new contract = no new risks.

BWAF

Tee

February 8th, 2010
8:26 pm

I would trade Marvin Williams and Mo Evens for Caron Butler from Washington

Tony

February 8th, 2010
8:33 pm

Hold up one minute??!! Tee, you mean to tell me you would trade Marvin AND Mo for Caron. You need to stop drinking the yak and get a reality check.

Toal

February 8th, 2010
8:42 pm

Rick -
We need a center bad! Brandan Haywood or somebody over 7 feet to deal with Howard and then the Cavs! Make it happen sir!

Jimmy Jam

February 8th, 2010
8:42 pm

Tony, i’m not CRAZY!! I keep up with the NBA and yeah I love Zaza just as much as anyone, but that doesn’t matter. What matters is that we can’t contain Dwight Howard, Andrew Bynum, Shaq/Varejeo/ilgauskas type players. I wouldn’t say a guy who averages 9.7 pts, 10 Rebounds, and 2 blocks is washed up. He ranks 5th in blocks, 10 in rebounds. Those stats are well above Zaza’s numbers and are also better than Horford’s. How great would it be having a guy like Haywood to come off the bench? I would say adding him would give us a great chance at winning a Title THIS year. So Tony, I’m not “CRAZY”, I know what I’m talking about. ESPN trade machine says adding him and trading Zaza would increase our win total for the year by 5.

Tony

February 8th, 2010
8:48 pm

I do not give a crap about that stupid ESPN Trade Machine CRAP. I PREFER Zaza over Haywood. That’s my point!!

Astro Joe

February 8th, 2010
8:53 pm

MannyT, just looking for another situational defender at this point (to add to Mario). Or, if we were to grab someone like Kurt Thomas, an upgrade to Joe “Solo” Smith.

Jimmy Jam

February 8th, 2010
8:57 pm

Tony, great point…… NOT! If you have an opinion about something then have something to back up your reasoning behind it. I want to win. Not lose in the second round of the playoffs.

Tired of marvin

February 8th, 2010
9:00 pm

I think we need to inquire about Shane barrier. We could do a straight up Marvin for battier deal. Hawks would get a lockdown defender who can drill the corner 3 and is expiring the sametime we’re gonna have to resign horford. Rockets get a younger wing signed to a reasonable contract that they could play beside ariza for the next 5 years.

EddieKang48

February 8th, 2010
9:33 pm

Yes Marvin Williams must go for us to get a real 4 man, and we have no problem playing Josh at the 3. That’s what’s killing us in the top tier teams in the East.

Melvin

February 8th, 2010
9:33 pm

Manny T,

You was this close to not having to sit throw Marvin Williams clumsy dribble drives in Hawks uni. Dang, can you imagine this team without Marvin? What would Rod and Sam have to talk about…:)

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_14350569

Bil Al

February 8th, 2010
9:35 pm

Leave the team alone. Do we remember where the Hawks were just a few years ago. In the bottom of the league. Now they are enjoyable to watch. Long time Hawks Fan.

Jeff

February 8th, 2010
9:47 pm

What the crap are you people watching? You want to mortgage the future for CHRIS BOSH? Dude is ok, but not a superstar! He’s slow! I have seen him get beat a LOT defensively. Let’s not go crazy just because he played his college ball here at GT.

Folks, the Hawks need to keep THIS core together for a while…. I really think they can do some great things in the next 2 or 3 or 4 years. Other teams panic and run around and make trades just for the sake of doing it… and RARELY does a team go to the NBA Finals because of ONE PIECE they added at the trade deadline.

The GOOD teams — like the Spurs — are built gradually and the core is kept together for several years. Don’t think Atlanta can fix all its problems by one February deal… remember, there is a LOT to be said for consistency and chemistry.

Let’s keep this nucleus togheter… they have played their butts off in 2008, 2009 and 2010, and they are steadily improving year by year by year by year. Let other teams clamor to dump salary on the slim chance they MIGHT sign LeBron or D-Wade in 2011… in the meantime, it makes them WEAKER in the short term.

You can’t run a franchise with what “might” happen in the summer of 2011 so that you MIGHT win a championship in 2012 or 2013. I say go all-out NOW with what you’ve got and do your best to win a title NOW. We have a young, talented, hungry group of players in Atlanta… let’s keep them together and see what they can do!

John

February 8th, 2010
9:55 pm

We don’t need to make any moves. Marvin is good for this team because he is a solid player that does not demand shots. We don’t need guys fighting over the ball when we already have guys that need shots. Also, we don’t need to trade for a true 4. Josh is a true PF. He is having such a good season because he is actually playing the position. If you move Marvin for a more prototypical PF, you will have Josh on the perimeter more, which we don’t need. I think we need to stay put. I still think Woody needs to use the bench more (Teague) and Zaza needs to step it up some more when he is in.

Remarkable

February 8th, 2010
10:05 pm

Tired of Marvin, I agree. We will be a much better team when we are able to move on without Marvin (& Bibby). I don’t know what we could get for him, but we don’t get much now. He has tallent but no drive. We will regret it if we do not resign Joe, but no one is really going to miss Marvin.

rusty

February 8th, 2010
10:25 pm

tony
what have you been smoking.mw is not great,mo is a lot worse. we still need a big man &
a point guard.

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