No Hawks Squawks: Hawks 103, Clippers 97

Feeling sick tonight, Hawks fans–guess that means I’m missing those 70-degree winter days in Miami. Or maybe I’m just getting soft. Either way, my thoughts on the game tonight will have to wait until the morning. Go ahead and share yours below because, believe me, they are better than anything I can come up with right now anyway.

Here is the late game story.

I’m out.

MC

30 comments Add your comment

theZaZaGuy

February 4th, 2010
12:23 am

I was at the game. Kind of worried, but we pulled it out. Basically, we’re just better.

tjhook

February 4th, 2010
1:25 am

Well, well, well, I’m on the board early . . . I just want to put one more vote in for Marvin Williams being traded for James Posey (New Orleans Hornet). Also, I read on http://www.hoopshype.com that G Larry Hughes of the Knicks may have his contract bought out. How do the fans feel about him joining the Hawks. He’s 6′5 and a good defender. Could be good enough to move Joe Johnson to forward and push Marvin to the bench.

Sleepy

February 4th, 2010
1:35 am

Al Horford – (On the last few minutes of the third quarter): “I told Jamal ‘you have to step it up, man’. I was out of the game at that time, but we had to step up and make something happen. So he went in and did it. I think he scored like nine points in a matter of two minutes. He’s capable of doing that, and he really changed the game for us at the end of the third.”

Crawford is a beast !!! so Al tells him he needs to pick it up and then he goes out after the timeout and scores 9 pts in two minutest to help cut a 13 point lead LOL that is tv movie type of stuff.

Rob Yates

February 4th, 2010
2:42 am

Couldn’t watch the game….doin my wednesday night supervisor deal at Home Depot if anyone else happens to know what I’m talking about. Glad we won, but what’s up with the lackluster efforts? Celtics game was great…I forgive them for the Magic, Howard is just too much….I haven’t seen the OKC game or this one, but you’d figure that we oughta dominate if we’re really a premier team. Must be that we’re not, but I fully expect that we’ll be ready to make that next step to the Eastern Finals come playoff time.

vava74

February 4th, 2010
3:18 am

Larry Hugues is a streaky shooter and his defense is ultra overrated.

He get a lot of steals but solely because he takes too many chances to accomplish that. On the ball he is a lazy defender and he would probably turn his head a lot switching.

Also, he is a known malcontent when he doesn’t get his touches on offense.

DeepDiver

February 4th, 2010
4:04 am

Yeah, how bout no re: Larry Hughes. Bad, bad idea.

Big Daddy

February 4th, 2010
6:31 am

The Hawks won because of their refusal to quit. When you can hit your shots late in the game you can come back from small deficits. However, the question remains whether there should have been a deficit. The Hawks did not play team defense for much of the game and that is why they were behind. However, they did hit their shots down the stretch and that got them back in the game.

Will someone on the coaching staff do three things. First, show Josh, my favorite player, how he loses the ball more times when he dribbles full court than actually does something good with it. Give it up to one of the guards. I guess he is thinking that Joe and Jamal are not passing the ball as much as Bibby and he won’t get it back. Next, show Joe that if he passes out of double and triple teams he actually helps the team and if the ball is then passed to the open man a good shot will ensue. Finally, I understand Jeff is a rookie, and he has made some great defensive plays, but too often he looks lost out there on the perimeter and passes up on open shots. His mechanics on his jump shot needs a little work but it is his confidence that is suffering. He should be a project for Mark Price, our shooting coach. Jeff has the quickness to be difficult to defend but I think his confidence is suffering right now.

Most of the problems I see are just tweaking that needs to be done. However, as entertaining as it is to see Joe and Jamal hit their shots, we have got to get the others involved because when the playoffs come along, I guarantee we are going to need them.

Section 303

February 4th, 2010
8:32 am

@Rob Yates: I think we need to remember that the Clippers are not that bad of a team. They are athletic as h#ll and have good post players (Kamam, Camby, Jordan)….being shocked that this game was tight is just stupid. The Clippers can play. They just do not do it as consistently as they should.

Was this the Hawks best effort? No, but I do not think they played awful. They did what they had to do to win. We should be happy with that. Some of you clearly either weren’t around when the Hawks were losing or have forgotten what it was like when they won only 13 games. Enjoy what we have.

Bulls on Friday….I see the Bulls are coming back to Earth after their little uprising. Rose torched the Hawks in Philips last year. He is more healthy now than the last time the Bulls were in town. Hoping Hawks can contain him.

Big Ray

February 4th, 2010
9:01 am

Hawks showed some resiliency in coming back for the win in a game where they were clearly tired and sluggish.

Horford showing himself to be a leader. A third year center telling a veteran shooting guard to pick up the pace? Yes, definitely a leader.

Oh, and his 16 points and 10 rebounds matched up pretty well with the much larger Chris Kaman’s 17 and 10.

Joe and Jamal for 50+ is a beautiful thing to watch. Especially down the stretch.

vava74

February 4th, 2010
9:14 am

Important win after a putrid effort during most of the game.

We have significant mental issues:

Against competition below us we tend to under estimate adversaries.

Against slightly superior teams we tend to play scared or let the refereeing completely take us out of the game.

Also, right now in most games we are almost reduced to only 4/5 players contributing with anything significant: JJ, Crawford, Al, Josh and occasionally Marvin or Zaza.

We are not getting anything out of Joe Smith, Zaza (most of the days), Mo, Teague, … almost meaningless contributions.

I think that Woody is losing a bit the control over minute management. We need to give more minutes to the subs so they can keep motivated and work hard.

Right now we are not seeing that and there will be consequences further ahead.

JerryWest

February 4th, 2010
9:22 am

It is obvious that Woody doesn’t trust Teague in his rookie year. Bibby has been shooting aweful. His best attribute can’t overcome all that bad defense.

Its time to get a back up point guard. Any PG who will be bought out will pick the Hawks over any other team. This team is starving for a veteran functional PG.

We need
A PG who can shoot.
A tough front court player who can rebound.

JerryWest

February 4th, 2010
9:23 am

What’s Hawk’s record when Joe+Jamal goes 50+ ?

JerryWest

February 4th, 2010
9:28 am

2 all time NBA records on back to back night.

Josh & Jamal.

How often does that happen?

JD

February 4th, 2010
9:40 am

What are the 2 all time NBA records?

Astro Joe

February 4th, 2010
9:54 am

Crawford tied Reggie Miller for most 4-point plays. I don’t know the other record.

Najeh, while my comparison of Joe Smith and Solo may have been a little exagerated, it isn’t that far off. Yes, Smith is a far superior team defender and does a nice job of rebounding and taking charges. But I did not think that we were getting a player who is only effective on one end of the floor. His shots are still usually short… I know that he had some injury in the summer, but shouldn’t he have his legs back by now?

O'Brien

February 4th, 2010
9:54 am

JD,

Crawford tied (or passed) Reggie Miller’s all time record for most 4 point plays in NBA history. And Josh became the youngest player to 1,000 blocks I think.

From ajc.com, Woody talking about Bibby.

“The last two years I leaned on him a lot to score. Now I want him to defend and rebound a little bit if he can get in there. I know that’s not his thing but I at least want him to help with defensive concepts.”

I thought that was funny.

Marvin had a good game last night. 10 pts, 10 rebs. Against Houston, he had 29 pts, against Dallas he had 16 rebs. Once in a while you see these flashes, and can’t help but wonder, why can’t he put it together on a consistent basis. He still has time to turn it around this season, and hopefully he will.

I think it was JJ (before the last Orlando game) who said the Hawks lack mental toughness. And I think he’s right. We usually play down to the level of the competition. Early in the year, we were blowing people out, but now, its a grind.

Ray,

I think Al will become the leader of this team in time. JJ is our leader only by default (best player), but Al has that leadership quality, and he will continue to grow.

Big Ray

February 4th, 2010
10:01 am

O’brien,

I hear you. Funny stuff from Woody on Bibby. He’s got to be kidding me. “I know that’s not his thing.” Help with the concepts? What’s that mean? Give him a suit, tie, clipboard, and a seat on the bench next to you? If that’s the case, then make him the offensive coordinator. We need help in that area sometimes.

Ken Strickland

February 4th, 2010
10:07 am

We all know our key players don’t listen to Woodson when it comes to OFF, and why should they. After all, why listen to a HC that has repeated publically that he doesn’t care about OFF. However, we are now frequently hearing excuses about the teams problems being caused by them not switching, rotating or playing good DEF. Our starters have been together long enough for these to no longer be issues, certainly not on a consistent basis.

LET’S SEE WHAT’S BEEN GOING WRONG AND CAUSED US TO BE 12-11 OVER THE LAST 23GMS:

(1) Our OFF has started relying too much on jumpshots, ISO’s & one on one, and we’re struggling to score down the stretch(TOO MUCH WOODY BALL).

(2) We’ve stopped running and getting easy fastbreak pts, and scoring pts in the paint(THE RESULT OF WOODY BALL).

(3) We’ve gone from being a dominant rebounding team to a team that gets outrebounded and dominated on the boards, even by lesser teams.

(4) We’ve stopped even trying to maintain ball movement, which has drastically cut down on team and individual assists and scoring. Over the 1st 25 gms we had a 19-6 won/loss record, averaged 107PPG, and were playing and winning consistently. Over the last 23gms, we’re 12-11, inconsistent, not playng well, and our PPG is now down to 98PPG.

(5) We’ve reduced our rotation and started riding the backs of 7-8 players, while giving token mins, or downright ignoring, the rest of the bench.

(6) We’ve simply stopped even trying to create and/or exploit matchups, to change the pace of gms or give us an advantage.

Far too many Hawk fans have decided to bury their collective heads in the sand and blame JJ, Smoove, Marvin, Bibby, Horford, and make lame excuses like us not having a true center, Horford playing out of position or being a natural PF, JJ being selfish etc. But all is said and done, all of this falls at the feet of one person, THE HC. IT’S UP TO HIM TO MAKE THE NECESSARY CHANGES, STRATEGY AND/OR ADJUSTMENTS NEEDED TO GET THINGS BACK ON TRACK. IF YOU’RE NOT A PART OF THE SOLUTION, YOU’RE PART OF THE PROBLEM, AND HE’S A MAJOR PART OF THE PROBLEM.

Mike is Back

February 4th, 2010
10:17 am

MC, the thing that stuck me was the size advantage the Clippers had in the Post. They made it tough for Josh and Al all night. It was a fermentable task in the post… Once the players realize the crowd was not going for another let down…they stepped it up…it was a good tune up for the Bulls game.

We was watching Camby to see how much his game had decline…he still has something left in tank. I agree with the guys on the Camby trade. If it were some way to make it happen…IT WOULD BE A GREAT PICK FOR THE HAWKS. He looks like another good fit like Jamal. He seems to be another guy…that would not interrupt the chemistry of the team.

Make it happen Sund…GOOD WIN…GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

vava74

February 4th, 2010
10:18 am

Bibby has never been a conventional PG, so I doubt that he could held significantly in this field.

He has always been a scorer more than a facilitator (not that he is inept at running a team, it is just that he isn’t a pass first player).

I do think that he will follow his father’s footsteps and go into coaching, however, he may end up as a second coming of Woody on that particular field.

O'Brien

February 4th, 2010
10:39 am

Camby will be a free agent this offseason, so the Hawks can use their midlevel exception on him (maybe for 2 years). He can provide backup minutes at PF, and at Center. All he does is rebound, and block shots occasionally.

Ray,

If Woody wants defense and rebounding from his PG, why not give Teague more minutes? He can only get better, and Bibby can only get worse.

ILL-logical

February 4th, 2010
10:46 am

Here is a conversation that takes place over the ALL Star break between Mr. Sund, Woodson and Coach :

Mr. Sund. Hey guys, let first congratulate you on a very good first half of the season, when I look at how we have come since my arrival , I feel ty good. What I want to discuss today is what we need to do more of and less of in the second half and beyond.

I want to see more of the offense that we ran in the first 25 games when we were 19-6. More ball sharing ,running and team defense.

I want to see less of the the ,much less of the offense we have had over the last 23 games. Coach Drew, I want you to become more responsible for that.

I have also noticed after the Memphis and Oklahoma City games that our bench is not that athletic , especially in the front court. I plan to trade Mo and Randolph to the Wizards for Andray Blatche. He is young(23),athletic , 6′11 and can play both the 5 and 4.Plus,the salary exchange saves us $300 hundred. I want you guys to work him into the rotation so that by playoff time we can use him as a starter if need be. We have to look at different ways to counter the bigger teams size, even if it means a line up change.

Last, I want you guys to not be so focused on winning to get a new contract. There some challenges, like the economy, the organization faces that are beyond our . But what we can control is our attitude. Let’s think strategically and work together to win not only during this season but to lay the groundwork for the seasons to come.
thanks. Now what are your thoughts?

ken

February 4th, 2010
11:19 am

marvin finally plays well n get benched the 4th… woodson is stupid he had a doubl double thru 3

cp

February 4th, 2010
11:23 am

Yea I agree with those who think we need to make a move to strengthen the bench. Right now other than Crawford we are getting no contributions. Like others have also said it might have been better for Sund to wait to see what guys got bought out rather than waste a spot on Mario. I don’t know whats going on with Pachulia but he is looking terrible this year. Craig Smith was working Pachulia over in the post last night. ZaZa has never been a defensive guy but man that was terrible effort from him. Joe Smith is solid but his jumper is not falling. It might be his legs but whatever it is we need him to step it up.

Can we please send Nique on vacation and let the Stinger finish the season in the booth. Nique has been terrible these last two years but last night was a new plateau even for Nique. I don’t think he called Baron his correct name all night. It was either Byron or Brian. He constantly cuts Bob off and he calls a win even in the 3rd quarter when we are losing. And for some reason he thinks its great defense if the opposing team misses a shot even if its clear its nothing the defender did to cause the miss. Send Nique to Hawaii for the rest of the season or something.

Daniel

February 4th, 2010
11:27 am

Ill- I doubt that the Wiz would make that trade and Blatche has been a super enigma in DC, he has had a lot of off the court issues and what would we do for a SF off the bench? I don’t see Andrae being able to guard on the wing, plus his head is really not on straight.

O'Brien

February 4th, 2010
11:35 am

Our bench (and depth) was supposed to be a strength this year, but Crawford is the only one who has been consistent. ZaZa is struggling, Joe Smith is missing his shots, Teague gets very little PT, Mo only had 1 good stretch, and Collins doesn’t see the court enough to give us much. Fortunately, we have been injury free this season (unlike Boston and Orlando).

Daniel,

We can sign Othello to be our SF off the bench (tongue in cheek).

cp,

And most of the time, all ‘Nique does is agree with Bob. Nique is always saying “Yes, he is”, or “Yes, they are”, or he’s stating the obvious “Hawks needed that” or “Big shot right there”. Come on ‘Nique. Add something to the conversation.

He hardly ever gives you any strategic explanations about spacing, play calls, execution, substitution patterns, etc. And he blows plays out of proportions.

MC,

Is there anyway for you to find out who is responsible for bringing Nique back, and how do they do their evaluation of him?

Astro Joe

February 4th, 2010
11:50 am

Basketball is about more than just the physical aspects, there is a mental dimension also. Bibby appears to have a high b-ball IQ and may have something to add in terms of defensive strategies. Somehow I doubt that Jeff Van Gundy would be able to play exceptional defense but that doesn’t mean that he can’t devise an exceptional defensive concept. Bibby, as I understand it, coaches his son’s team in the off-season. Maybe Woody is asking him to do what guys like Avery Johnson, Eric Snow, Sam Cassell and others did in their last few years as players… begin to tinker in coaching tactics.

bigdave

February 4th, 2010
12:02 pm

Josh Howard on the block… he’s about to get a fresh start somewhere…

Daniel

February 4th, 2010
12:17 pm

cp and O’brien- I am with you on ‘Nique.

MsDee

February 4th, 2010
12:51 pm

Nique is not a people person at all. When I went to the Hawks/Boston game last friday, my husband and I were able to go by the table where Nique and Bob R. were. Well, I did want an autogragh but kinda knew they were probably tired and wasnt in the mood so all I asked for was a handshake. Well, Nique heard me because I was all but arm lenth away but he of course ignored me. Bob was getting his coat jacket to leave when I asked him for his autogragh. He thought I meant nique cause he pointed toward him. I said “no, yours!!” He was surprised and humble. While Nique lost cool points with me, Bob gain many. I told him I am a huge Hawks fan and I watch him every game night. He was thankful. Oh, neither one of us had a pen, but he did give me a handshake..THX BOB!! I would rather listen to you over Nique any day!! (I should have told him that)