Hawks Squawks: Thunder 106, Hawks 99

Durant 2, Hawks 0. (Layne Murdoch/NBAE/Getty Images)

Durant 2, Hawks 0. (Layne Murdoch/NBAE/Getty Images)

– Too much Kevin Durant (again), too many defensive breakdowns for the Hawks. “Defensively we were nonexistent in the second half,” Woody told FSN South’s James Verrett. “That third quarter was a bad defensive effort.”

– The Hawks pretty much controlled Durant in the second half but let Russell Westbrook get loose and kept giving up rebounds. The Thunder is a good rebounding team but 17 offensive boards?

– And what about nine boards for Westbrook vs. five for Al, six for Smoove and six for Marvin?

– The Thunder collected 28 of the Hawks’ 39 misses (72 percent). The Hawks got 26 of the Thunder’s 44 misses (59 percent).

– The Hawks got within two when Durant made a couple jumpers and set up his teammates for two scores. That was it. He’s the first player since Allen Iverson nine seasons ago to score at least 25 points in 22 consecutive games

– Durant is for real. He also gets a lot of calls. Tough to say where one ends and the other begins.

J.J. (37 points) was feeling it. He prevented the Hawks from getting blown out in the third. And even though he wasn’t getting calls, he got to the line for eight free throws.

– This wasn’t one of those games where the Hawks had something else working and went away for it for Iso-Joe. J.J. was what the Hawks had working, they went away from him early in the fourth, and the offense stalled. “He had it going, ” Woody said. “We were picking and choosing (going to other guys) but we weren’t consistent offensively.”

‘Nique was calling for J.J. to come off screens instead of running isos. He got his wish late but it only served to clog things up for J.J. The Thunder was able to double him and force him to give up the ball, and no one else could make big shots at the right time.

– “We made a game of it in the fourth but then we shot ourselves out of it,” Woody said.

– But, really, this loss wasn’t about the offense. “We weren’t too flat but we just couldn’t get stops,” Woody said. “Defensively and rebounding the basketball, we are struggling a little bit in those two areas. Those are the main two areas you’ve got to be clicking to win games, especially on the road.”

– I saw one Iso-Joe in the fourth quarter though not sure if I should include it in the count because it wasn’t a called play. Al set a screen and his man doubled J.J., who backed out and decided to take Thabo Sefolosha one-on-one. He lost the ball out of bounds on the drive. Looked like a foul but goes down as a turnover.

– The Hawks put some good traps on Durant, particularly Zaza, who was showing hard. Trapping Durant might have worked if the Hawks rebounded the ball when his teammates missed.

– More early minutes for Joe Smith. He rebounded and played solid D. I still get the feeling he’s going to help the Hawks in the playoffs. He’s the kind of vet who knows how to stay ready.

– Al is making strong moves to the basket but was missing chippies lately. So it was good to see that dunk off a Bibby feed in the third quarter. But where was he in the fourth?

– Smoove is so much better when he catches the ball and immediately makes his move. When he pauses, it gives defenders a chance to scrape at the ball once he puts it on the floor.

– He’s really good at taking hard bumps and still getting off his shot. And did you see his drive and kick to J.J.? Where did that come from?

– Smoove got his 1,000th career block. He’s the youngest to do it.

– Dang ‘Rio hung in the air for that tip dunk. A little extra bounce in his step due to the new cheese?

– Marvin was just kind of out there. He really can make something happen when he attacks the basket but then he settles for jumpers and finishes his moves going away from the basket.

– Bibby’s shot seems to be back. He also was setting guys up. Hawks need that more than once every three or four nights.

Jeff Teague was a pest on defense, made a nice runner and generally didn’t foul up. That jumper is going to take time, though.

– Hawks almost got screwed on another shotclock error. Woody was going crazy until Hawks got the ball back.

– The Magic won again. The Hawks are two games behind in the Southeast. Earlier reports had Paul Pierce missing significant time for the Celtics but now it looks like that’s not the case.

– I’m out, Hawks fans.

MC

145 comments Add your comment

Taylor

February 3rd, 2010
12:05 am

first? man we really messed up getting marvin williams

Geemack

February 3rd, 2010
12:25 am

Michael Cunningham

Effort and instensity cost the Hawks this win on the defensive end.

Harpie

February 3rd, 2010
12:26 am

Woodson stinks

Geemack

February 3rd, 2010
12:26 am

Rod from College Park

February 3rd, 2010
12:28 am

Wabe,

“JJ did his thing. I’d say Smoove showed up tonight as well. Bibby and Al had their moments. Whose the lone starter that essentially gave the Hawks nothing again tonight both from an offensive and defensive perspective?”

Would the answer be MARVIN WILLIAMS? Over our last 3 games against playoff caliber teams he has scored 4points, 7 points and 4 points. No offensive production while allowing Pierce to go for 35 and Durant to go for 33 both over their season averages. But the very knowledgeable ASTRO JOE and TRACEMAN will tell me I am crazy for saying Marvin is not a good defender. OK GUYS.

Astro Joe

“Rod, I think it is clear that you are the only one (or close to it) who thinks that Marvin is “not even an average defender at his position”.

Really!!!! Check the responses above.

Traceman,

“As for Marvin’s D, he does a good job. He has not been quite as good this year as he was last year but he has still been solid.”

He has huh. LOL. You guys are some comedians.

Wes

February 3rd, 2010
12:29 am

I say keep Marvin, trade Mo Evans and a draft pick to get Tayshaun Prince. That would add some depth, a better scorer & defender off the bench who can guard multiple players.

I figure if we tweak too much (we need better perimeter defense, but Mario West is what appears to be the Hawks only solution this year), team chemistry will suffer.

Grandad

February 3rd, 2010
12:30 am

So, Marvin lost the game tonight? Well I’ll be darned.
Funny, because I was watching him guard the pee outa his man.
I also disagree with MC, Marv is not a slasher.
Now I must admit to seeing only the 2nd half
I suppose Wdsn understands that when you trap, you then must recover,
otherwise opponent has a free rebounder [Westbrook] without a body
on him to box out.
One last item, a screen can be set for Joe away from the ball, in order for him to be open when he recieves it. Could have been what Nique had in mind, or not.?

Dante Fitzgerald

February 3rd, 2010
12:38 am

FIRE MIKE WOODSON!!!

Wabe

February 3rd, 2010
12:58 am

I’m not saying Marvin lost this game. We lost this game on the glass. That stat in MC’s article is telling of this:

“And what about nine boards for Westbrook vs. five for Al, six for Smoove and six for Marvin?”

There’s enough blame to go around for this loss.

I pointed out Marvin because it’s just disappointing to get that kind of production with those minutes. To be honest, watching him throughout the game, he never looks to create for himself. He’s always looking to pass, never create for himself. Whether it be his confidence or his lack of ability can be debated. All I’m saying is, the production isn’t there. We’ve gotta get more out of the 3.

I’m pulling for Marvin, but he’s gotta produce.

richbrave

February 3rd, 2010
1:00 am

I have it on good authority the new ownership of the WIZARDS wants to start off right by establishing a solid base of operations for their newly purchased franchise. Therefore,they are suggesting a trade of head coaches, FLIP SAUNDERS for WOODY while retaining the superior judge of talent, ERNIE GRUNFELD as GM. LOL.

CRITTER sighting. JAVARIS CRITTENTON told the players union not to contest his season long suspension thereby finishing his career with the WIZARDS. The D.C. franchise did not extend his contract at option time, and he becomes a FA in July. GRUNFELD in essence fired him for playing in the HOTLANTA league last July against orders and getting hurt.

Rod from College Park

February 3rd, 2010
1:27 am

Grandad,

Again, I don’t like to disrespect my elders, but it might be time for an annual eye exam. If you saw Marvin guard anybody you might be in early stage Alzheimer’s. You can’t continue to get dominated on the defensive end, and not make your man work on the offensive end. Even Dominique realized that.

Mac-Town'z Finest 478

February 3rd, 2010
3:43 am

“– Smoove is so much better when he catches the ball and immediately makes his move. When he pauses, it gives defenders a chance to scrape at the ball once he puts it on the floor.”

exactly as I’ve been saying. If he had more plays that resulted in him cutting to the basket, receiving the rock in a fast flow of action for a dunk, or quick move to the rim for a lay up, etc…maybe ONE dribble and up…that would be cool…but all of that dribbling by him just doesnt cut it MOST of the time

Steven A.

February 3rd, 2010
5:40 am

WHERE’S “TREE” ROLLINS?

NO DEFENSE OFF THE BENCH!
HAWKS WILL NOT MAKE IT OUT OF THE FIRST ROUND THIS YEAR…..I GUARANTEE IT.
Over paid for Zsa Zsa and getting NOTHING from Jason Collins. No defensive stopper period!
Watch these clowns Draft another point guard or 6″8″ forward and bypass a guy like
DeAndre Jordan, Javelle Mcgee, OR Robin Lopez, even Marc Gasol, the lesser of the Gasol
brothers would help this team get over the hump. HEy, i’d even settle for 59 year old
Wayne “TREE ROLLINS”

justahawkfan

February 3rd, 2010
6:16 am

Last night is a good example of how a super star is made: if the referees give any starter on the hawks team that many trips (Kevin Durant) to the foul line we would have several super stars. Where is the justice in the NBA?

Astro Joe

February 3rd, 2010
7:20 am

One of the next steps in Smith’s development is when he demands to take on guarding the hot scorer late in a game. And don’t tell me about coaches making that decision, we have all heard stories of how players will demand the chance to shut down a guy on fire late in a game. I would have liked to see Smith take a turn at Durant last night. No, Smith is not a great defender on the perimeter but he certainly has better size than Joe. I doubt that Smith would have done much better than anyone else on KD, but it would have been nice to see. I’d like to see him take on Lebron and Pierce and some other guys in late game situations as well. Just give those guys a different defensive look and give Joe a little relief from having to be the principle player on both ends of the floor. I’m not complaining, Smith is obviously having his best season. I’m just suggesting what might be the next step up for him.

Clyde

February 3rd, 2010
7:34 am

vava74

February 3rd, 2010
7:37 am

My take on yesterday after sleeping over it:

1. Woody had it wrong when he did not adjust to the opponent again: when we are giving up too many offensive rebounds to OKC we should have stop switching and clamp down the rebounding.

2. Although JJ had a terrific game, it is not that frequent that when a player capitalizes the offense the team gets the win. We should have gone to Josh and Al even if that meant taking the risk of losing the game.

Players who are involved on the offense tend to work harder on defense and on rebounding.

3. The refs killed us. Simple examples? Charging foul by Westbrook on Josh converted in 2+1, Sefolosha hitting JJ’s arms when he was dribbling several times resulting in turnovers and on the other side, JJ’s defense on Durant resulted in fouls being called.

Hence, I think we need to shake up the line up.

I continue to thing that my suggestion of yesterday, made on the Hawks’ Nest should be tried:

Start Mo at the SG slot (his natural position and where he does not give up size). He is sufficiently good when plays significant minutes but is a poor performer with limited minutes. Also, this would not give up too much ground on defense.

Put JJ on the SF slot where he can play point forward with Bibby and Mo lurking around the 3 point line.

Crawford in for Bibby as soon as Bibby shows that either he is not shooting well or is giving too much ground on defense.

If Bibby is working well, Crawford can get in for Mo. Bibby should be limited to 22/28 minutes to keep him fresh and used as a steadying element and 4th quarter sniper.

Feature Marvin as the second team’s offensive focus – playing 20/22 minutes – against lesser opponents in order to see if he gets out of his slumber.

Get Teague to play around 16/20 minutes to close the 1st quarter and start the 2nd and to finish the 3rd and start the 4th.

Play Collins instead of Zaza in order to see if his bulk helps closing down the lane and get more rebounds and see if he can get into game shape by playing.

Put Zaza in a suit for a couple of weeks watching video montages of russian soldiers invading Georgia wearing D12 jerseys

E43

February 3rd, 2010
8:07 am

i thought the bench just didnt get it to drop last night. i liked seeing most of the team get deployed.I honestly think we should continue to play like this to keep as many knives sharp in the kitchen for the playoffs. Jamal had not as great a game but at least we know we have enough fire power to deploy the main team and have a chance of beating 500+teams despite him not lighting it up.

terrell

February 3rd, 2010
8:12 am

Remember when everyone was praising Sund earlier in the year? The trade for Crawford was an excellent move, I agree. But tying up nearly 12 mill a year for Zaza and Marvin was a horrible move. Morris could give us as much production as Zaza can, and ANYBODY could take over for Marvin and we wouldn’t miss a beat. Still dont know why we didn’t let him play out his contract(1 year) before we re-signed him?? And btw, the Pacers are trying to move Troy Murphy. How bout Marvin and Zaza for Murphy and a player?

Clyde

February 3rd, 2010
8:13 am

Resigning Bibby, Zaza and Marvin was a complete waste of money.

tjhook

February 3rd, 2010
8:21 am

I’m beginning to resent Marvin Williams. By accepting the Hawks’ contract, he told fans that he was ready to bring it. He did not deserve what he signed for and now we are having to eat it. Please – TRADE HIM!!

tjhook

February 3rd, 2010
8:22 am

for James Posey (who is with the Hornets)

Astro Joe

February 3rd, 2010
8:28 am

Vava, Durant had more touches than Joe (when you include the FTAs) and it worked out pretty well for them. Kristic had fewer FGAs than Horford and Smith yet out-rebounded both in fewer minutes. Sorry, but the notion that guys won’t crash the boards unless they receive x number of FGAs just stinks to me. If that’s the case, we need to trade half the team for Varejao… someone who doesn’t seem to care about anything other than owning the glass.

terrell

February 3rd, 2010
8:31 am

Agrred, Clyde. Now if Sund messes around and gives Woody a new deal, he’ll be worse than BK. Already gave 3 bums a total of nearly 17 mill$ a year. Wow!

JeJe

February 3rd, 2010
8:41 am

THIS GAME IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WOODSON NOT USING THE BENCH WHEN THE GAME IS CLOSE. HE STICKS TO THE SAME LINEUP REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT IS WORKING OR NOT

HOW THE HELL DID JOE KEEP GETTING STRIPPED WHEN HE DROVE THE LANE? PATHETIC. I DON’T THINK KOBE LEBRON OR D.WADE WOULD LET THAT HAPPEN. OH WAIT–THEY’RE ACTUALLY SUPERSTARS. LOLOLOL

FIRE WOODSON AND GET RID OF DEADWEIGHTS MARVIN AND BIBBY. TWO USELESS BASKETBALL PLAYERS. AWFUL CONTRACTS AND CANNOT PRODUCE ANYMORE

O'Brien

February 3rd, 2010
8:43 am

The switching was not working, but didn’t we go to a zone for parts of the second half? The problem was when OKC missed, we couldn’t get the rebound. That is on the players. A big part of rebounding is about effort.

This loss was a team loss. Nobody rebounded consistently on defense, and offensively, nobody could get it going (consistently) to help out JJ. And we got out coached too.

ZaZa has regressed this year, and Al hasn’t looked the same since his hand injury. Our center position needs to step it up.

Marvin has regressed this year, especially offensively (and I think he was playing better defense earlier in the season). He has to step it up, especially his defense and rebounding.

I think Bibby is also on the decline this season.

Clyde,

It’s ironic that the 3 guys who Sund resigned seem to have regressed. But I liked the ZaZa signing. The only thing I don’t like about the Bibby deal was they gave him 3 years instead of 2. And I was glad we resigned Marvin, keeping the team intact.

The thing that bothered me about the Marvin signing was Sund thought very little of Chills (even referring to him as a utility player, although Chills was the one who Woody would have in the game at the end, not Marvin). But yet Sund thought enough of Marvin to give him the contract that he did.

terrell,

Thats a good point about letting Marvin play out his contract, or let the Market determine his value. But remember, it’s always easy to look back in hindsight, and it’s easy to play armchair GM (which I’m always doing).

But to be fair, Marvin still has 4.5 years left on his deal, plenty of time to turn it around. And the Hawks need him to turn it around ASAP

N-Trigue

February 3rd, 2010
8:48 am

Mike Woodson made us loose this game! He stayed with the reserves too long in the beggining of the 2nd Qtr….Josh and Jow shouldve came back sooner. Im sorry Joe Smith does not have the same presense defensively as Josh and they took advantage while the starters were out and kept the game close. We couldve had a lead at halftime if we started the 2nd qtr off right. Josh was hot and Joe was too…Too many times during the game we abandon giving the ball to the players that are hot. I would play Mario more when we are in those games where are defense is not clicking! I know weve been wanting Woody to trust his bench players more but this was not the game it didnt call for that…Woody tends too overthink too much and then were stuck with a loss at the end to an mediocre team!

Mike is Back

February 3rd, 2010
9:17 am

I may be way off on my take…besides the poor officiating…and inadequate match ups on Durant…the Hawks have a bigger dilemma.

WHAT TO DO ABOUT BIBBY??????????????????????????????????????????????????

Bibby is a warrior…but clearly, his diminished mobility makes him a liability whenever he is on the floor. His leadership and three points shooting can no longer offset his liability on defense. It puts the team in scramble mode trying to provide help defense on his man…the switching defense only highlights this problem. Westbrook was able to roam free to get offensive rebounds or break us down and get to the hole at will.

Woody will have to significantly reduce Bibby’s minutes, if he expects to get anything out of him for the playoffs. Bibby is making the effort…his body just can’t handle the load. Hopefully, the All Star break will give him a reprieve…its only going to get worst as the season wears on.

Teague is starting to show some signs…maybe its time to let the young fellow play a more minutes. What other options do we have?????????????????????

WTF was Marvin thinking on that play before Woody took him out the game…jez. We need to bring Marvin off the bench…he is not a starter…he is a role player.

darrell starks

February 3rd, 2010
9:31 am

BIBBY AND MARVIN MUST MAKE A CHANGE.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!

bigdave

February 3rd, 2010
9:34 am

i thought when Joe was on Durant he did a great Job… Joe is a position defender and got in on Durant forcing him to either take a highly contested shot or put the ball on the floor where he is an avg finisher. while Marvin, though contesting, gave him too much room and comfort. Jamal was also caught on Durant and it was easy buckets…

darrell starks

February 3rd, 2010
9:34 am

Bibby is still limping is he hurt or what but either or he should not be starting.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

N-Trigue

February 3rd, 2010
9:36 am

Trade Bibby and Marvin for a another post player!!!

dvj

February 3rd, 2010
9:38 am

Marvin Williams is a burst.He can’t hit an open shot for nothing.He is not aggresive going to the basket,plays like he’s scared.How about play like you know you can score,which he don’t.Tell me one good thing he does on a nightly base.I hope I not the only one see this…

darrell starks

February 3rd, 2010
9:39 am

Marvin no way he should be starting he has lost his confidence, i think bring him of the bench would bring his sense of urge back and plus the bench would be stonger.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!

bigdave

February 3rd, 2010
9:39 am

my thing with Marvin from an offensive production stand point is based on making his opposition play defense. on most NBA teams a great deal of scoring comes from your 2 and 3. opposing 2’s have there work cut out for them against the Hawks. however, guarding Marvin Williams is not much of a challenge, im sorry. Marvin made a nice move yesterday from a quick spin and floater/runner. however, im noticing him fading… falling away… or drifting on his jumper. what is this all about? im definitely not opposed to seeing Moe (not a big fan) start at 2 and move JJ to 3 just to see what happens. im sure Mo can knock down those open looks that penetration from Joe usually gets Marvin at a higher clip. even at inches taller Mo is a better finisher that Marvin if he was forced to put the ball on the floor.

bigdave

February 3rd, 2010
9:40 am

the major flaw in starting Mo is limiting our team rebounding even further… oh how i miss the f-in BASELINE BUM!!! CHILLY-O!!! COME SAVE US!!!

bigdave

February 3rd, 2010
9:44 am

WE SENT THE WRONG GUY TO EUROPE!!! WE PLAYED HARDBALL WITH THE WRONG GUY!!!

Daniel

February 3rd, 2010
9:52 am

I am going into full whiner mode here so bear with me.

What the sam heck is going on with the officiating? Durant gets a hand breeze by him and he gets a foul. Joe gets hammered over and over an no call??? What gives? For real??

bigdave

February 3rd, 2010
9:57 am

Daniel…

some feel its not the refs… Joe needs to to a better job at “selling” his fouls… kinda how Durant sold his??? Joe from now on go into seizure like spasms every time you’re touched…

Daniel

February 3rd, 2010
9:59 am

I hear ya big dave, but watching last nights game, I didn’t see Durant doing a lot of “selling” and Joe was getting HAMMERED. what can he do?

darrell starks

February 3rd, 2010
10:04 am

Check out this scenario, okay this trade right here will send the hawks 2 the finals, monta ellis is on the trade block monta ellis, andris biedrins for bibby, marvin, zaza and a first, ellis is 24 biedrins is 23.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!

cp

February 3rd, 2010
10:08 am

The crazy thing about this season is the number of wins we have considering that our starting pg and sf have been pretty much non existent for most of the year. The production from Bibby and Marvin have been inconsistent or just not there many times this year. Bibby deal was 2 years too long. Marvin is just too passive and I don’t know if even moving him to the bench will help because then he will defer to Crawford. We have to start getting production from these two positions.

darrell starks

February 3rd, 2010
10:09 am

STARTE MONTA ELLIS, JOE, JOSH, HORFORD, ANDRIS BIEDRINS.
BENCH TEAGUE, JAMAL, MOE, JOE SMITH, MORRIS.
RESERVE MARIO, COLLINS.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!

Melvin

February 3rd, 2010
10:11 am

Astro,

You sure know how to play on both sides of the fense or show I just call you a homer (to be nice). You are quick to defend Marvin when others trash him then you comeback say “it would be nice to see Josh guard the hot scorer late in the game” in which you name three SF’s (Pierce,KD,Lebron) for Josh to guard. If Marvin is such a good defender than why do you want Josh to guard those guys? Let me guess, b/c Marvin cant guard anyone while he’s on the bench. Its funny how Marvin is more likely to finish the game on the bench than being the closer. This is the third year (really the 4th excluding his rookie season) that we seen Marvin not be apart of the closing line up (JChill, Flip, now Jamal). Where’s this great defender that everyone label him as. Rod show you the opposing players numbers that exceed their avg (feel free to post your rebuttal stats). Can Marvin at least get his scoring avg on offense? Yes, my patient has grown thin with him. How about lets see our defensive stopper role expand by guarding some of the better scoring PF (Bosh,KG,Dirk, Zach)???

darrell starks

February 3rd, 2010
10:11 am

We get our point plus we get our center.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!

terrell

February 3rd, 2010
10:16 am

Bibby and Marvin for Troy Murphy and player.(Dauntay Jones/Earl Watson). Heard Indy was trying to move Murphy.

Duluth Danny

February 3rd, 2010
10:19 am

I will jump on board with Daniel. Refs were horrible last night. Especially in the time span of like 3 minutes through 1 minute to go when it was a 2 point game. Tick tack foul for Durant. JJ gets hammered cutting through the lane without call. Then JJ does the wrap around poke of the ball, which would have ended up in a breakaway layup that they call. Just not consistant.

That being said I thought before this game that OKC is playing better ball than we are and they are. For a few weeks here teams have killed us on the boards. Duncan career high. Howard twenty something. We do so much switching and doubling to try to mask our defensive inablities and our lack of size, and I think teams are starting to really figure out how to “unveil” that mask and create opportunities for offensive rebounding. We really need to buckle down and put forth maximum effort on the D boards these next few weeks.

We cannot trade Bibby right now. I do not want Crawford playing point and getting wore out. Teague is def not ready. Just go with what we got. I’m not happy with Marvin lately either, but we don’t run anything through him ever. And at least he gives effort defensively and on the boards. We are soo much better with motion offense when a bunch of people get touches, but we seem happy to ISO these days for the most part.

Rod from College Park

February 3rd, 2010
10:21 am

bigdave,

“the major flaw in starting Mo is limiting our team rebounding even further… oh how i miss the f-in BASELINE BUM!!! CHILLY-O!!! COME SAVE US!!!”

Joe is a better rebounder than Marvin from the 2 spot, so obviously he would be better from the 3 spot. As a matter of fact, I would be willing to say that anything Marvin can do at the 3, Joe could do better.

vava74,

“Feature Marvin as the second team’s offensive focus – playing 20/22 minutes – against lesser opponents in order to see if he gets out of his slumber.”

I would much rather Mo starting at the 2 and Joe at the 3. I actually stated this at the beginning of the year, but I substituted Crawford with Mo. We would become a much better team right away. The only problem I have with your statement is the feature Marvin part. Marvin would probably be worse, if we tried to feature him with the second unit because then he would have someone guarding him. It really does not matter who he is on the floor with. He never stands out. The majority of his points now come from wide open layups or jumpshots. He can not score when he is defended. If I were the Hawks, I would seriously look into trying to acquire Tayshaun Prince (if healthy) or Rip Hamilton from Detroit. Either would force Marvin to the bench and make us a much better defensive and offensive team. If you leave Tayshaun wide open like teams do Marvin, he would make you pay by knocking down the open mid range jumper or putting the ball on the floor and getting to the hole. Rip would bring another scoring threat, an active defender and open the floor up more for Joe. Either guy would tremendously help the Hawks. Neither would have a problem understanding Woody because they come from the holy grail team (Detroit). I think a move at the 3, whether it be changing the starting lineup, or a trade for another 3 is the only move that can reallistically be made, which would not seriously affect team chemistry.

Melvin

February 3rd, 2010
10:21 am

bigdave,

I see ya throwing jabs at my “selling fouls” suggestion. I still say Joe need to do that, at least in the early stage of the game and maybe he can get some of the those (touch) foul calls in the late stage of the game. Heck, by him not floppings sure ain’t getting him any extra calls. Even Josh draw fouls at a higher clip than Joe. I’ve seen Josh bailout several times by the refs…LOL

terrell

February 3rd, 2010
10:23 am

Duluth Danny, thats why I included Earl Watson in the trade. Bibby and Marvin for Murphy and Watson. The salaries match.