Mario West signed for rest of season

West is sticking around (NBA.com)

West is sticking around (NBA.com)

The Hawks today signed Mario West for the remainder of the season, the team announced.

West had signed consecutive 10-day contracts with the Hawks and, under the rules of the collective bargaining agreement, the team was required to sign him for the rest of the season to retain him. West, a Douglas County and Georgia Tech product, has appeared in eight games and averaged six minutes during his most recent stint with the Hawks.

He played in 117 games for the Hawks from 2007-09 but was cut in training camp last summer. He was playing for the D-League’s Maine Red Claws when the Hawks signed him to the first 10-day contract on Jan. 12.

MC

141 comments Add your comment

Ernest

February 1st, 2010
12:27 pm

Good for Mario! Now let’s find a way to match up with the Magic and win our division!

Astro Joe

February 1st, 2010
12:30 pm

MC, could you ask Sund if he will stick to his guns on the 13-man roster? Or said differently, ask him if this takes the Hawks out of thr unning for a vet who may have his contract bought out later this month.

I MUS WRITE

February 1st, 2010
12:31 pm

I MUS WRITE

February 1st, 2010
12:29 pm
Iso Joe works when he is one on one mostly,but when he is double teamed out of the Iso and decides to force shots instead of swing the ball thats when things get bad…..

Agreed Jean- jamal is alot better at gettn in the lane and either finishing or hitting the open man -JJ ehhh ????

Marvin Gaye Williams – Come on son -is he still a topic of discussion,he shouldnt be unless his name is involved in a trade. Im willing to bet a weeks pay that marvin gets his shot blocked the most for guys6′9 and above. Where has his shot gone, seriously he has’nt been as effective as last year. Sounds like a job for the POLICE…..find that shot

CONGRATZ to my dawg Mario….No more trips to Maine for the heat seeking missle

Astro Joe

February 1st, 2010
12:31 pm

out of the running

I MUS WRITE

February 1st, 2010
12:33 pm

Earnest- Good Look not yelling first like the others….

Melvin

February 1st, 2010
12:35 pm

Congrats to Mario. He deserved it…

Grandad

February 1st, 2010
12:53 pm

GeeMack:

Glad to have your ear for a moment. Hope you caught my post several
days/wks. ago in resonse to you about my Paul Silas remark, where I failed to mention him “only as an interim” replacement for Wdsn.
Water under the bridge.
You are correct, in that , players should do some things naturally.
However, in ‘Iso-Joe’, he needs the middle open. Can’t really ‘dive’.
Spacing is imperitive.
The problem as I see it is, Wdsn has no system/philosophy to hang his hat on.
The players (many of whom, poor background/coaching,AAU,no fundamentals)
are sheets in the wind. *We used to hang them on a clothes line![sheets]
So they just spot up and hang out.

Sautee:

I can’t speak for Big Ray but I really like Joe.
We cannot replace his skill set.
However, if he is gonna bolt…we need to utilize him as an asset.
I think we could get more value in a trade than we could buy with the cash we save from his salary.
Coming soon: Bold trade idea!
I’m certain Mr. Sund is also thinking outside the box.

Daniel

February 1st, 2010
1:03 pm

Glad to have Mario back, makes you wonder what the point of going with Othello at the begining of the season was all about anyway?

JoBjo

February 1st, 2010
1:06 pm

I too want Joe to be a Hawk, too. But he turned us down. :( now, What can we get for him?

Krypto Nate?

or package him with Marvin for Bosh and Jack?

JoBjo

February 1st, 2010
1:07 pm

Good for Mario. He got pt in the minors and now is playing with more confidence and hitting his free throws. just what you need off the bench.

Rod from College Park

February 1st, 2010
1:13 pm

Wabe,

Agree with your response from the last blog. I will admit I am a Josh supporter. Even when he plays bad he brings something to the table. Marvin brings absolutely, positively nothing. He truly is the invisible man.

GeeMack

February 1st, 2010
1:16 pm

Daniel,

what the point of going with Othello at the begining of the season was all about anyway?

You already know it was money!

Grandad

My biggest problem with the Woody complaints is… the guy is winning. The last I checked that was the only thing that mattered.

Around here we act like Woody has championship level talent on the team. He is doing a better job than Phil, Doc, Mike Brown, GPop & George Karl. This guy doesn’t have one future HOFamer on this team yet he has them in the hunt with team that have 2 or three.

Ree Roe

February 1st, 2010
1:21 pm

Never understood the fascination for a guard who can’t handle the ball or score and provides only sporadic defense. Yea he’s got alot of energy, but we need another post player. He’s wasting a roster spot.

-REEcently Roe!!!

ILL-logical

February 1st, 2010
1:23 pm

Last post -iso Joe will it bring world peace, solve the budget and bring universal healthcare- was one of the best in a long time.

Mario’s signing doesn’t razz my berry but he is a team and fan fave.However, he isn’t the answer to what ails the team. The short version of that issue is leadership.

I hereby nominate Jamal Crawford to become the on court leader and off court spokes personof the Atlanta Hawks and the starting point guard.

Because this guy wants to win, knows how to play and how to get the media to work for the team and not against it.

His stints in Chi-town, Gotham City and Baghdad by the Bay have prepared him well for understanding what it realy takes to win and he seems to be as poised and sophisticated as any Hawk of recent vintage. He can and will connect with fans from Bankhead to Buckhead and draw them to the arena with both his on and off court style. He is not a replacement for Joe; he is something even better-the difference.

Volman

February 1st, 2010
1:24 pm

Looks like Sund wanted to do this the whole time to save some money…. Not pay Mario for the whole year (and the $1 million) so they let him go to the D-League for half the year then bring him back.

Ree Roe

February 1st, 2010
1:31 pm

Why do people want Jamal to start? Are yall crazy? If Jamal starts as a PG, he has to become a facilitator which means he won’t have the green light to shoot like he does coming off the bench. Plus what scoring punch would we have coming off the bench? ZaZa? Mo Evans?

And for the last time, Joe>>>>Jamal, but Jamal scores as easily as anybody on the team. Why Hawks “fans” continue to try & compare Joe to JJ is beyond idiotic.

-REEcently Roe!!!

dirtyo11

February 1st, 2010
1:33 pm

Now if Woodson will develope this guy, he need someone to take the time to work with him on his shooting. Woodson, is a pretty good coach, but he has an issue with developing young guys. I’m glad they signed this guy for the remainder of the year, if he can avg 6-8ppg, he would get more playing time he could then help on D against Orlando.

Astro Joe

February 1st, 2010
1:43 pm

Ill, I like Jamal’s off-court personality and his ability to handle the media. He comes across as a truly good guy who answers questions very well and could be a true spokesperson for the Hawks. Neither Joe nor Josh appear to seek the radio interview… Jamal, Al and Marvin are far and away the best interviews (Chill was good too as I recall).

cdog

February 1st, 2010
1:53 pm

WHERE’S THE BIG MAN RICK SUND THAT CAN HELP GET US A CHAMPIONSHIP?ARE YOU GOING TO SIT BACK AND LET THE MAJIC OR CAVS HAVE THE EASTERN CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP?SIGNING ANOTHER GUARD IS NOT A NECESSITY.

JerryWest

February 1st, 2010
2:01 pm

Joe>>>>>>>>>>>>Jamal

but

Iso Jamal >>>>>>>>>>> Iso Joe.

Similarly

Bibby >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mario

but

Iso West defense >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Iso Bibby Defense.

Mac-Town'z Finest 478

February 1st, 2010
2:06 pm

West for the rest of the reason? Oh we’re gonna show ORL and CLE who’s boss now!!!! :|

Lacsho

February 1st, 2010
2:16 pm

I like Mario a lot, but I think we need a big man off the bench that has an attitude, and who’s capable of averaging 10 boards off the bench. I’m not sure we need 5 guards on this team. I think 4 is enough?

Hawk n the Ham

February 1st, 2010
2:25 pm

MC,

Who would you see in trade talks to better the Hawks for the second half of the season. It is obvious the Hawks do not match up well against big men underneath. If you were Sund, taking contracts for this year and next in consideration, where would you go from here?

Astro Joe

February 1st, 2010
2:25 pm

Lacsho, IMO, we have 6 guards, because Mo is more guard than forward.

Lacsho

February 1st, 2010
2:31 pm

AJ, you’re right I forgot about mo.

Astro Joe

February 1st, 2010
2:33 pm

For what it is worth (and around here, absolutely nothing), the Hawks have had the hardest schedule for the past 25% of their games according to ESPN’s John Hollinger. So that would be around the last 10-11 games… our opponents have had a higher winning percentage than any other team in the league.

I’m not sure if anyone has thought this out, but after the ASG, we have 3 “statement games” left against the Lakers, Magic and Cavs. Yes, we play the Cavs two more times but one is the last game of the season. That game will likely feature guys like JJ Hickson, Jamario Moon, Randolph Morris and Mario West getting around 30 minutes each while Lebron, Shaq, Joe and Josh watch from the bench. Assuming that we lose to the Magic in March, we need to 3 more wins to overtake the Magic for the division.

Sautee

February 1st, 2010
2:55 pm

I posted this on the other blog, but since I’m looking for feedback, here it is again:

One thing I’ve NEVER understood about Iso-Joe:

Joe will have a smaller defender (say Ray Allen) near the free throw line and instead of simply rising up and shooting a 15 footer, he’ll dribble INTO a double team and shoot a highly contested floater. If you are guarded by a smaller defender, as Joe often is, why not just rise up and take the easy shot?

I can’t figure this one out. Any ideas, anyone?

bigdave

February 1st, 2010
2:56 pm

can he guard Dwight?

but… glad to see Mario on board.

bigdave

February 1st, 2010
3:00 pm

pff… lol… what are you Jamal’s agent…? all of that until he goes cold keeps shooting, and gets murdered on d…

bigdave

February 1st, 2010
3:07 pm

Sautee…

b/c he can beat Ray Allen off the dribble… Joe also dribbles to establish rhythm for a shot… its not that easy to just rise up and shoot over someone who can jump out of a hole (Ray calves are the size of his head). Kobe just didnt rise up… it would take a series of pump fakes and moves… and then a fall away… which is equally as difficult as that floater..

Astro Joe

February 1st, 2010
3:23 pm

Sautee, I agree with Dave. Joe doesn’t have the vertical lift to simply “rise up” but he does have te strength to over-power his defender (most of the time). Plus, some players who draw contact get a foul called by the ref… just not Joe.

kwooden1

February 1st, 2010
3:26 pm

I’m happy for Mario, he gives great effort and is always attacking. He had a nice rebound in the ORL game, basically out jumping with Dwight. Mario is another guy that is going to see meaningful minutes, which can give the starters some rest.

GO HAWKS!!!

Traceman

February 1st, 2010
3:28 pm

I Mus Write,

I’ll take that bet on Marvin getting his shot blocked more than any other player 6′9″ and above. Check out the link to 82games.com below:

http://www.82games.com/0910/09ATL8.HTM

Marvin gets his close shots blocked 18% of the time. That is a certainly a fair amount but the following players who are 6′9″ or taller in our DIVISION get their shots blocked at a higher rate:

Tyson Chandler – 23%
Vladimir Radmanovic – 23%
Jermaine O’Neal – 22%
Udonis Haslem – 22%
Joe Smith – 20%
Brendan Haywood – 19%
Zaza Pachulia – 19%

In addition, these notable SFs around the league get their shots blocked more than Marvin:

Rudy Gay – 21%
Gerald Wallace – 19%
John Salmons 23%
Martell Webster – 24%
Rudy Fernandez – 21%
Corey Brewer – 19%

Kevin Durant and Michael Beasley get their shots blocked only slightly less than Marvin at 17%.

Corey Magette, Caron Butler, Stephen Jackson, Al Thornton, Ron Artest and Yi all get their shots blocked 16% of the time.

Bottom line, Marvin certainly needs to finish stronger around the hoop but there are a LOT of guys around who are bigger than he is or who play the same position he does who finish no better than he does and many finish WORSE.

Astro Joe

February 1st, 2010
3:34 pm

Traceman, but Rudy Gay is the second coming of Julius Erving… surely he doesn’t do anything wrong. And Marvin is a bigger bust than Pamela Anderson. Your data must be off. :twisted:

Dukester9

February 1st, 2010
4:07 pm

Here is the trade that we need Marvin Williams and ZAZA for Sam Dalembert, he gives us the front court needed for the playoffs. move Josh to small Horford to power and ole sammie at center. I like our chances with 5 minutes left in a tight game with Jamal and Joe in the back court. May not know this but this will just be a fun 50 win season if we dont add toughness in the middle for the playoffs. Take it or leave it.

Melvin

February 1st, 2010
4:09 pm

Astro,
That’s because Rudy Gay (and Gerald Wallace) takes it strong to the rim….:)

Astro Joe

February 1st, 2010
4:14 pm

Melvin, so when I hear all those complaints about Marvin falling down, he is doing so on jump shots? And he’s having his jump shot blocked all the time? I need to stop using this abacus, because something isn’t adding up right.

Rod from College Park

February 1st, 2010
4:19 pm

Traceman,

While your stats try to prove your point, they can also be discredited. How about adding close blocks and blocked dunks together, then see what you get. Salmons, Fernandez, Webster are not 6′9 with a 7 foot wingspan. Gay and Wallace have many more shot attempts than Marvin, and they attack the paint much more. Even with those two add close and dunks together, and Marvin is higher. If you actually think that Rudy Gay and Gerald Wallace go to the hole as weak as Marvin does then you basketball knowledge should be questioned. Had to help my man IMUS out.

Melvin

February 1st, 2010
4:26 pm

Astro,

It’s kind of hard to get your shot block when u trip/stumble/fall and lost the ball.

Art Vandelay

February 1st, 2010
4:26 pm

The problem isn’t really that Marvin has his shots blocked too often by defenders — it’s that he has them blocked by the underside of the rim. When he’s in the open court, he can drive the lane and make 99% of his layups. The problem comes when we’re in the half court and he has to do something athletic in order to get around the defense. More often than not he’s either a) dropping the ball and kicking it away, b) getting it stripped, or c) throwing a wild shot either over (or into) the rim, off the glass or into the waiting arms of the opposing center.

Ramon

February 1st, 2010
4:30 pm

If the salaries matched, which I don’t think they do, would you guys be in favor of Zaza, a 2nd round pick, and Mo for a Camby deal? I mean Camby would help provide a better defensive presence off the bench at the 5, and he is still averaging 12 rpg. Also Camby’s contract situation would be favorable when looking towards extending Horford (who’s All Star salary just took him to an even heftier raise than anticipated). I know Camby’s weight couldn’t match up with Howard’s. But Camby’s rebounding and shot blocking ability, may would be good to have during the playoffs. In a half court game for defensive stops, imagine how effective a line up of JC, JJ, Smoove, Horford, Camby could be for 5 minute stretches. In that line up you would have your 4 best scores on the court, your three best rebounders on the court, and your four best defenders on the court. Also, I may would even be willing to do Marvin and Zaza for Camby and Butler.

Astro Joe

February 1st, 2010
4:31 pm

Melvin, true. Marvin’s .9 TOs per game must be among the league leaders… all of those turnovers after he falls down and fumbles the ball into the hands of the opposing team. He does that at least .9 times per game… that’s a lot. I’m sure those elite SFs probably average less than .5 TOs per game, huh?

Melvin

February 1st, 2010
4:32 pm

Astro,

Keep in mind that most of Marvin shots are uncontested jumpshots.
Looking at Traceman list, Marvin probably shot more uncontested shots than guy that receive comparable mins…. I’m not a Marvin basher but lets keep it real, not too many others SF in the league that I wouldn’t choose over Marvin…

rms

February 1st, 2010
4:37 pm

How much did they sign him for??

Rod from College Park

February 1st, 2010
4:38 pm

Traceman,

All of the guys you listed are lower than Marvin when you add close blocks and blocked dunks together, which would validate IMUS’ point. The only person higher is Tyson Chandler, who might have played a couple of games this year. Good try.

Astro Joe

February 1st, 2010
4:40 pm

Melvin, I understand that Marvin doesn’t compete against other SFs… but I look at it in terms of the fit with this team. IMO, if Marvin hit closer to 48% of his shots, I’d have no complaints… duck walk and all. This team doesn’t need someone who won’t be satisfied with 8-10 shots from the SF position… we need that guy who takes pride in being really good at all of the “other things” that help the team win 50+ games.

Timbo

February 1st, 2010
4:44 pm

Should be giving Jeff Teague the time that Mario West has been getting. At this rate, Teague will probably be of no use in any meaningful situation this season . . .

Sautee

February 1st, 2010
4:49 pm

AJ, and bigdave,

If Joe has a 3 or more inch height advantage, then he doesn’t need to have much lift to “rise up”. Shouldn’t he take advantage of that?

Astro Joe

February 1st, 2010
5:19 pm

Sautee, it feels like we’re talking in absolutes and clearly, that is not the case. We know that Joe does in fact take jumpers over opponents, tries to take them off the dribble and sometimes backs them down. I think that a great offensive player has a lot of tricks in his bag to sue depending on the opponent and situation. But overall, I view Joe as more of a Mitch Richmond type than a Ray Allen or Reggie Miller. Someone who can nail jumpers but also has the body to punish guys down low. Joe may have a height advantage over some but he has a strength advantage over virtually every SG in the league. I’m not real sure how to answer the question any other way, Joe nailed a 3 against the Celtics Friday night with a defender in his grill and he also took and made contested shots in the lane. Likewise, Paul Pierce does the exact same because his greatest advantage is his strength. He has a wide-range of tricks from long distance bombs to punishing drives in the lane and fade away jumpers… just like Joe. Vince Carter could probably get a jumper off against any SG because of his jumping ability but his greatest skill is driving the ball… he can use both his quickness AND leaping talents. Likewise, Joe can use his strength and shooting touch when he shoots from the lane, not to mention find teammates who may be open under the rim.

cp

February 1st, 2010
5:21 pm

We need another defensive minded big yet we sign a undersized sg who cant shoot, dribble, and plays overrated defense. Whatever. I guess one of our bigs will most likely wear a suit for the rest of the season so Mario can come in and run around and do pretty much nothing.